Thread 104420438

Uhhh, then get a new manager?
You're not working at McDonalds.
A talent is at least 100 times more worth than their manager.

>>104420438 (OP)
OP is slobbing on my knob right now btw

They can't just get a new manager, dating is hard these days

>>104420438 (OP)
idk about the others, but I at least can confirm that this was the case with chloe and maybe gura, suisei was even MAD because chloe decided to graduate instead of talking to her about her problems, which suisei implied were easily fixable

>>104420466
>immediately replies with something extremely homosexual
phased

>>104420438 (OP)
99% of the time the company would laugh at your request and tell you to get back to work

>>104420674
Hopefully this is changing with yagoo recognizing some faggot managers were using the girls as a stepping stone for their own careers and thought they were the ones pulling the strings (aka omega)

>>104420674
Hopefully the company is open to tell what they're doing to their shareholders.

>>104420707
dyrbi

>>104420438 (OP)
We now know that their disagreements were either:"hey can I tell them about my personal life and skip all events" and "hey can I have more money than top earners like suisei" (except Mumei).
And we also know that telling them no was the correct gamble because they all fell off.

>>104420828
lol you don't know shit

>>104420438 (OP)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Nmm6aS0ljRI

>>104420847
Seethe sabafag she's now a 4 view shitter that loses to ID
Yagoo won

>>104420881
So much yappin but nothing being said.

>>104420906
12k 3d live in a region unaffected by cull vs 2005 pewdiepie game lmfao, now show holoEN 4k avg

>>104420729
Since yagoo started hosting those tea parties for the specific purpose of interacting with the talents one-on-one and bypassing middle management entirely? Yes, yes I do. He's got investors breathing down his neck 24/7, and the absolute last thing he needs is another graduation spree because his middle management is retarded.

>>104420438 (OP)
Why do retards not understand that "disagreements with management" is japanese corpo gibberish that has no extra meaning?
It is just saying they couldn't come to terms on a contract with an employee.

>>104421541
They must have some abysmal contracts to lose all of their top talents in such a short period

>>104421541
So instead of re-negotiating the contract they'd rather just lose a dozen talents?

>>104421541
I mean, yeah... But in this case, it seems it was literally, remember (or maybe you don't because anons /here/ are allergic to reading actual info) Cover's recent statement about some managers and staff, and how they are making some changes about those who were promoting their own ideas instead of letting "talent freedom".

>>104421573
>Cover: "Hi Fauna, it's time to renew your contract with us"
>Fauna: "Can we put a clause on my the new contract that says that I don't have to travel to Japan for 3D stuff, so I can stay home and get plapped by my fiance?"
>Cover: "lol, nope"
>Fauna: "Fuck it, I'm not renewing my contract then"

>>104421844
I don't understand. So they'd rather break their contract than let Fauna still make them money?

>>104420674
Many other members have asked to change managers and, well, gotten new managers before

>>104420881
I literally told people this was a meaningless phrase meant to protect both sides and shroud the real reason from day 1 but no people didn't listen

>>104421863
Yes. Some rules aren't really negotiable without really valid reasons. No one should be bigger than the group as a whole
It's similar to how they could've kept Mel and wanted to as well, but ultimately had to let her go because of the rules

>>104421557
>>104421573
They tried to negotiate and failed; it happens all the time in business.
Maybe it is caused by one side being retarded and not giving in on something that doesn't matter that much but it can also be two parties just advocating for themselves and that creating an impasse.
>>104421782
This is just the public corporation homogenization cult shit.
The stock market demands this so it is going to happen.
Everything has to be scrubbed clean and following the group think or investors piss their pants.

Aqua
>wanted to stream freely
Ame
>lazy
Fauna
>already had her merch and marriage plans set up, wanted to leave with the most amount of money
Chloe
>shit physical and mental health
Shion
>shit physical and mental health
Mumei
>shit physical and mental health
Gura
>lazy

>>104421863
The fuck are you talking about, it was Fauna who chose not to renew her contract because constantly traveling to Japan would get in the way of her married life and her "disagreement with management" was Cover not budging and not letting her keep on literally phoning her performances in

>>104422020
Autism award.

>>104420828
>>104420906
kill yourself windy

>>104421863
Are you at all familiar with Japanese companies? Either you naked dogedza and grovel at their divine feet in advance or they do everything they can to destroy you.
Cover is unusually positive for a Japanese company, but that culture is deeply rooted. Niji wasn't an extreme outlier, black company is a ubiquitous term because culturally they are more the norm than not.
出る釘は打たれる.
Praise them for all the good they do, but don't be blindly loyal to any brand. Nintendo used to be beloved by all, and now look at what they've become. Apple, Google, etc. Tribalism and cultism is little more than willful ignorance and it never ends well.

>>104421975
Nah Chloe just wanted to stream with her sister

>>104421975
>Chloe
>>shit physical and mental health
>Shion
>>shit physical and mental health
>Mumei
>>shit physical and mental health
One of them still hasn't redebuted if she will at all, and the others did so first thing after graduating

>>104420438 (OP)
It was a fundamental demand of the job you retard

>>104422249
>Are you at all familiar with Japanese companies?
You mean the same company that axed their entire CN branch and cut ties with China to protect one person who wasn't in the wrong?

>>104422283
All of them stream with family and friends though

>>104422339
And then said person left anyway. And fell for the "talent freedom" trap.
Lessons learned on all sides.

>>104421975
Shion literally said her reason for graduating was that hololive is no longer the underdog smallcorpo it was when she first joined and missed the days when they could just do whatever whenever

>>104422339
This is revisionist history.
CN got axed because they were insectoiding out and publicly breaking the terms of their contracts by going after Coco.

>>104422585
They need to ask management in advance every time, also Chloe probably probably wanted to nepohire her into the company and was rejected

>>104420583
Phasecucks are too busy running defense for Clara.

>>104422339
The CN market was outright waging war over absolutely nothing. They'd be crazy not to remove a gangrenous limb before it did more damage. Bad example.
They should have defended her more though.

>>104420466
fpbp

>>104420548
This is kinda the only thing I would ever give Sui shit for, the fact that she seems so enclosed in her own little world within the company that she doesn't understand that her experiences are not directly transferable to other talents. Yes she can bitch all day about how she clawed her way up, but she doesn't get that it doesn't make her words law. Unless she actually has all the power that people like to joke about, and likely people don't want to open up to her because of her position of power.

>>104420583
What makes you think a man posted something like that

>>104420707
it's more about middle management and producers than talent managers but they had other problems even before it's always hit or miss some work well only with certain personalities so it's not obvious

>>104421782
we had backlash about that at least since Holizontal failed badly, not exactly a new issue and not really an EN issue since Omega got kicked out in 2022 incidentally exactly when Gura went on hiatus so perhaps she actually loved his anti-idol niji EN ligh direction kek or it was about something more fundamental like she demanded rights to her character as Gura some special deal Cover could never realistically agree to

>>104422629
Like being absent all the time?

>>104421975
> Aqua
>wanted to stream freely
you should check again

>>104423806
There's more to it than that and you know it. Regardless of what Shion chose to do or not do, it's clear as day that the variety of content creation for holomems is down to a mere handfull.

>>104422629
she's not doing anything interesting with this freedom though?

also
>>104421975
>Aqua
>wanted to stream

lol
lmao

she only streams to shill merch literally 0 passion retirement mode

Making this thread when Charlie Kirk was murdered by one of your kind is sickening.

>>104424117
What makes you think OP is right-wing at all? Very weird post.

>>104424158
They're posting it in multiple catalog threads. poltard won't stay on his containment board

>>104423465
This is incredibly stupid not only because you're a massive faggot but because chloe was close friends with suisei, if you DONT FUCKING TELL HER ANYTHING, then SHE CAN'T DO ANYTHING. For what was implied the problem was indeed a manager and we have hard proof that those can be solved easily, Towa got Lamy's first manager fired for telling her that she doesn't have a personality that merges with others so she should only solo stream, towa also got nene's 3D to be a priority. I won't deny that Suisei might hold some power, but shutting yourself up and taking it until you break is a bad fucking idea, specially when we're finding out managers were going on powertrips telling talents what to do to later put that on their job applications
>I managed X talents and made her famous

>>104424330
nice larp faggot

>>104424330
You do realize that it's a job and they're not actually all super close friends right

>>104420466
/thread

>>104424158
It's the new angle kekfeet is going for because mods have been banning his threads on sight.

>>104422283
That's not her sister.

>>104424330
You're an idiot who didn't read half the post. Why is Suisei the person that has to keep people from graduating? Either she does have that kinda power, and more so puts herself in a space that prevents other holomems from ever being able to see her as a friend, or she can't do shit and just runs her mouth for damage control.

This is the absolute distilled truth. Everything else is mumbo jumbo created out of boredom by schizos.

> The truckload of Vtubers who graduated from Nijisanji proved that life after the corpo as an indie is completely viable.
(But being in a corpor first is an unskippable step in the grift.)

> Ame was literally the first test subject.

> She jumped off the boat first, but using a golden parachute with the affiliated talent lifeline.

> Reason: being lazy, wanting to avoid idol activities, constant traveling, and keeping the full paycheck.

> Fauna wanted to start a family, wanted to avoid idol activities, constant traveling, and keeping the full paycheck.

> Gura, wanted to avoid idol activities, constant traveling, and keeping the full paycheck.

Same for each case.

They simply did the math and saw that with an established fan base, the corpo stands in their way, making maximum profit for minimum effort.

>>104420438 (OP)
>believing in LE MANAGEMENT copout
retard

>>104420438 (OP)
cover asked these girls to do their job. that was the disagreement. most didn't want to stream, fauna didn't want to travel.

>>104420548
Chloe wanted to nepohire her sister. Cover couldn't/wouldn't give her a spot on Flow Glow and she quitted to make her duo project.

>>104429674
She's not her sister.

>>104425343
I'm constantly amazed at the black-and-white world some anons live. When a senior employee muses that matters concerning a junior employee could have been solved by simply talking to them it must mean either a secret clique of grey eminences running the asylum from the shadows or it must mean that they're all corporate propaganda pushers without any agency of their own. But certainly it can't mean that senior employees could help out simply because they've been there longer and have developed a feel for how higher ups respond to different requests, and know the procedures and options available unlike the newer employees who may have heard of them once during the onboarding process amidst a million other things and promptly forgotten about them.

>>104420548
proof of Suisei being "mad"?

>>104429674
stupid cover. her not-sister is cute.

>>104420906
A birthday 3D live should have at least 30k ccv. That's pathetic.

>>104420906
If that were true, you wouldn't have cropped out the actual data.

>>104420438 (OP)
Cover literally came outright and admitted that too many employees were focusing on their pet projects over the talents, so it wasn't just one or two managers, but basically all of the them.

As such, you'd have to be at the top of the clique to get away with making demands, and the vast majority didn't have that kind of clout.

Also, the Pet Projects turned out to be completely fucking worthless, hence the stock price.

>>104432732
>too many employees were focusing on their pet projects over the talents
can I have a source? not that I don't believe you, but I want to read more about it.

>>104420438 (OP)
>A talent is at least 100 times more worth than their manager.
Sir, this is a Japanese company.

>>104432732
>hence the stock price.
No, their continuous refusal to bend the knee for investors caused it

>>104420438 (OP)
Impact from each graduation
>Aqua
Not impactful
>Ame
>Fauna
Became a few brittle legs on which indiefags can hardly stand on
>Chloe
>Shion
Forgotten
>Mumei
Overshadowed
>Gura
The only one that actually had any impact

>>104422699
The chuddy phasecucks are the ones attacking Clara in the first place

>>104441008
Gura's graduation literally had zero impact.
In fact, NONE of those girls had any impact.

>>104441330
I mean, Gura's graduation proved the dead subs theory, not to mention it caused a load of idiots to create rrats about her having "competition" with Bijou.

>>104429800
Let's say Suisei could just ask one of her drones to pull some strings for a junior employee for retention's sake, what happens after? Suisei is able to say shit like "just talk about it, ask for what you want" because she gets results for that method. Even if some parts bended to her and did something for another holomem, it wouldn't be a permanent thing. It would just be exercise in dragging out the eventual turnover. If the person saying it's just that easy to talk to your senior and get in a better spot wasn't Suisei, the sentiment would have a bit more weight to it.

>>104422302
>first thing
Chloe took a few months off to get special injections for her migraines before redebuting. Obviously it wasn't the whole story, but health clearly played a role in her decision

>>104423980
They only wanted the freedom from Cover making them do things behind the scenes, which is short-sighted and something they'll regret eventually, but they're too young to realize it.

>>104442454
There is nothing to regret since they are likely already set for life unless they have some really horrible spending habits

>>104420438 (OP)
>Uhhh, then get a new manager?
Gura gave them two years to fix the problems.
But it went from Hololive is getting stronger, to 2025 will be an interesting year.
>A talent is at least 100 times more worth than their manager.
If only Cover understood that, or any JP company.

>>104441389
>Gura's graduation proved the dead subs theory
The more subs, the more dead subs over a period of time, is not a theory.
Gura's CCV average still puts her around 98% for a 4 million subscriber.
Because her graduation showed she had 1.3 million active members, even after gatekeeping the tourists.

>>104444522
>Because her graduation showed she had 1.3 million active members
make shit up hours

>>104444542
I stand corrected.
1.37M subscribers

See I can at least understand the older talents/employees leaving like Aqua/Shion/Achan because they saw the company go from being a fun little thing that was just do what you want within reason, into a souless public company that put numbers and profits above everything. The newer members that left were all lazy whores that knew what they were getting into, but couldn't take it even knowing what it was gonna be like. Gura was just retarded for thinking she'd be able to skirt off being the most popular, Mumei thought it would be something chill to do while in college, Fauna figured she'd never actually have to be going to Japan, and Ame was just a lazy bitch

>>104444577
most of which are dead subs...

>>104441330
>Gura's graduation literally had zero impact.
HoloEN -50% YoY. Holy shit. In any other company, people would be getting fired to let this happen.
Let me know when Cover stocks return to the point of Gura's graduation announcement. It's been almost 6 months, and it's not going to happen soon.

Meanwhile, Saba does a million dollars in merch sales. She hasn't even released her plushi yet. Cover deeply misses the shork that continued to break sales records.

>>104444599
>Aqua/Shion/Achan
Let's see what they're doing now that they've left Hololive. Their actions are purely motivated by wanting easy money.

>>104444624
>1.37M subs in 4 months
>most of which are dead subs
holy cope

>>104420674
Because in 99% of jobs, the manager is responsible for making more money than you are. In Vtubing, it's absolutely the opposite.

>>104446430
she is not getting 1 million viewers for her vods lol

>>104420438 (OP)
They mean the head honchos and company direction not their own personally assigned manager retard.

>>104446509
Yes, but Cover doesn’t acknowledge like that. In jap corpos your manager is your god.

>>104420438 (OP)
Cover was at least stopping Fauna from making stupid decisions like announcing her marriage.

>>104430275
here you go

>>104420438 (OP)
there was some interview with yagoo recently that implied the real "disagreements with management" was new hires that became managers and misunderstood their purpose as "whip your talent into a profit making machine" instead of "help your talent to turn their ideas into reality and profit making machines".

>>104420466
fpbp

>>104449294
Wow it's worse than i though

>104449294
uhh, mods?

>>104441008
Im sure all these are very impactful to the fans who watched them.

>>104420438 (OP)
Retard

>>104446590
nah this guy is the actual retard here