Thread 105368611

Was she in the wrong?

>>105368611 (OP)
Doesn't look like it.
She seems like a good whale that actually looks out for her friends without trying to cancel their projects.

>>105368683
Classic mintbeggar opinion.

>>105368611 (OP)
I was suspicious at first but then the 1000 page dockey proved her innocence to me
I did not read a single page

>>105368611 (OP)
>>105368706
Whichever of them has the biggest tits is in the right.

>>105368611 (OP)
yes she's a massive bitch, not because of anything sinder said, just her general attitude.

>>105368611 (OP)
Everyone (except Bao) was in the wrong.

No. Just pure crab mentality from Sinder at this point.

>>105368611 (OP)
Yeah both her and Nano are just as bad if you read the doc, but no one can read.

>>105368611 (OP)
Yep, shes a bad person, along with Nano and everyone who dogpiled. Shylily specifically did this to try and remove Sinder from the internet and take away her income because she was getting more money than her. Nano lying to her does not excuse Shylily from not confirming any of the information.

>>105368700
NIJISEETHE

>>105369226
twitch vtubing was a mistake

>>105369013
You should see all the shit Bao did back in the youtaite community.

>>105369429
Bao is a complete and total retard, not malicious.

>>105369429
leave bao alone she's just stupid and gullible

>>105369226
Again, do you have any evidence of this?
Is there any precedent for this kind of behavior from Shylily?

>>105368611 (OP)
every one
was in the wrong
get over it

>>105369484
Shylily and others like Buffpup specifically said that Shylily coordinated this attack and dogpiling. She had 0 motive to do this, the only thing that Shylily and Sinder had in connection is being high earners on twitch. Shylily hates competition.

>>105369588
>She had 0 motive to do this,
Sinder cancelled Shylily's model too, genius.

>>105370106
Sinder didnt cancel anything, Nano cancelled everything. Which was Nanos idea.

>>105370318
Good luck convincing anyone with a brain of that.

>>105370347
Nano is the one who offered exclusivity because she wanted to cancel everything. She admitted this.

>>105370385
Nobody, because Nano wasn't offered exclusivity.
She was given a blacklist
of Sinder's "friends."

Somebody give me a QRD? I thought Womp Womp Whale was chill?

>>105370633
nah she be a real bitch to everyone

>>105370633
Nano wanted to drop all of her ongoing comms and go exclusive with Sinder, talking with her manager to make the deal. Later, when that happened, Nano and Shylily coordinated a smear campaign with various other vtubers against Sinder to get rid of her and run with the money.

>>105370633
Sinder wrote a 1000 page google dockey
Sinder's been trying to blame literally anybody but herself and Red.
She claimed Silvervale made a joke about her once several years ago which justified 300 pages of stalking .
She claimed Red was behind everything and that she knew nothing.
But also she lied about knowing nothing and she and red are still together.
And also admitted she lied in her first apology about not knowing what Red was doing.
She claimed she never told Nano to not work for her friends (despite directly telling her not to work with them by name)
Instead everything is Shylily, Silver, and Bao's(????) fault

It's manic. She put like 200 pages of labeled "speculation" in her apology where she accuses everyone of just hating her and her poor, innocent boyfriend (who was behind everything of her own admittance.)

>>105368611 (OP)
No but she handled it like an immature high schooler trying to impress her friends

but she did shift all blame off Nano so she could still get her (worse) new model so

>>105368611 (OP)
Is EN vtubing nothing but drama and coombaiting?

>>105370633
Sinder google dockey basically said everyone but Bao was in the wrong.
>sinder
Had BF and cheated in him
>nano
Lied about the arrangement made with sinder
>shylily
Coordinated the dogpilling based on said lies
Really only Bao was not at fault since she was manipulated.

>>105370894
which vtuber isnt coombait

>>105370894
Yes
>>105370964
Most big named JP tubers focus on entertaining the viewer, not coombait for 3-5 hours a day

>>105371270
It's a cultural thing.
The west won't give cartoons half a look unless they're entirely tits.

>>105371353
Yeah that's a fair point
I still prefer the CGDCT aspect of vtubing, but sex appeal is what's most people are into nowadays

>>105370633
>Somebody give me a QRD?
at this point?
Popular model artist Nanoless folds to a light breeze worth of pressure and blacklists 3 (later 2) vtubers for $4000 and an anime figure
That fact is brought up a lot to try and distract from who was paying to blacklist who

>>105371477
There ARE good entertaining vtubers that don't rely on it, but they're few and far between. People like Filian, Doki, ChibiDoki, arguably Nimi, Rin, etc.

>>105371270
Are we now pretending that Kizuna's popularity wasn't connected to her saying fakku in resident evil? Or that The Rushia Incident didn't happen?

>>105368611 (OP)
You can never trust anyone with hair down to their waist, even (and especially) the hippy dippy grandmas who will outboom male business boomers in their sleep

>>105371715
Are we now pretending that your 2 examples of ??? in any way contradicts "Most big named JP tubers focus on entertaining the viewer..."?

All of these girls need to just put this drama behind them and kiss and make up.
On stream.
Simultaneously.
With a KU100.

>>105371603
Yeah I still watch them regularly, i'm not saying ALL of ENtubing follows the same culture, there's even 2-3view indies that don't rely on it.
>>105371715
I don't know what you're talking about, but Kizuna brought the concept of vtubing in the west and by the west I mean /jp/ then /jp/ anons leaked it into /v/ and vtubing became mainstream by the time Hololive popularized in late-2019. Then the coof happened which brought you secondaries into this culture. Rushia doesn't mean shit when ENtuber has a Rushia every 2 weeks for the past 4 years.

>>105371603
>People like Flashbang Phil
uhuh

>>105370557
I like it when lies like this is easily refuted with a quick catalog glance.
>>105354555

>>105368611 (OP)
She always had weird vibes. In fact most twitch whores do. God I hate twitch, it can't die soon enough.

>>105368611 (OP)
yea

>>105368611 (OP)
She is just a petty cunt.
Nanoless told them a sob story and Lily nuked Sinder because she assumed that she is literally Hitler.
I would have done the same if I wore Lily's shoes at that moment. But ultimately Lily got played

That being said, she has proven that she herself can become literally Hitler, so everyone should stay the fuck away from Lily in case that she again is in a bad mood some day.

>>105368611 (OP)
Everyone involved is dogshit, who cares

Shylily isn’t perfect (no large vtuber is) but Sinder defenders are pathetic. She is a bad person and so is her cuck boyfriend

She cute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQz8t2CxFYg

>>105374515
Never said that she isn't a cunt. But is being a cunt reason enough to be wiped of the face of the earth? I don't think so.
What Lily coordinated would be a reason to buy a rope for most people.
It is basically on the level of fraudulent SA allegations just because you failed the vine check.

>>105374995
Thing is She can stream whenever she wants. If her fans want to watch a bad person they can who cares.

>>105374995
>What Lily coordinated would be a reason to buy a rope for most people.
Anon she spent years fucking over other creators and had absolutely no remorse or intention of stopping.
When confronted with it, she doubled down, but also deflected everything onto her boyfriend. Then she stuck with him despite allegedly having no idea how bad he fucked her relationships.

And she was probably about 2 weeks away from mailing Silver a pipe bomb

>>105375190
>she spent years fucking over other creators
Anon this blatant lying isn't working anymore since almost everyone has read the unedited screenshots with context, you should go back to your discord and craft a new narrative.

>>105375344
You're really bad at this.

>>105375426
>she spent years fucking over other creators
>years
>it was a legitimate deal that lasted a month and was proposed by the artist in the first place
Like I said, you need to try harder because you're shit at baiting, retard.

>>105375521
Go ahead and read the doc yourself, anon.
I know you haven't.

>>105375426
And who came to the table with the offer to go exclusive? And is that Sinder making the price? No? Amazing.

>>105375557
Anon, that's not exclusivity.
I don't know how many times to tell you there's a difference between "I'll only work for you" and "Okay so I'll work for everyone EXCEPT these 3 people."

>>105375555
One month later Nanoless goes back on the deal while she got already paid, you would know if you actually read it instead of pretending. Like I said, your retarded attempts at lying can only work on twitter where people don't even know how to read.

>>105375611
Nanoless called it exclusivity, this was HER idea

>>105375709
No, Nano asked for exclusivity, which can be very expensive considering you become that artist's sole income.
Red cheaped out and basically gave her a figure to say, "ok instead of exclusivity here's a figure to stay quiet and just never work with them again."

>>105368611 (OP)
Sinder and Bao should open competing Fansly accounts and get lewder and lewder to determine who is actually right

>>105375860
>still lying
Not even mentioning how she was the one who asked for the figure and accepted the deal, she literally got paid like she herself fucking admitted in her discord post, you retards and your retarded lies are fucking insane.

>>105375426
You do realise that this was Red confirming the details of an exclusivety agreement that Nano proposed, right?
Either maliciously out of context or lacking reading comprehension

>>105368611 (OP)
Literally who?

>Sinder messed up due to not knowing of a small detail, apologized to Lily, but she couldn't forgive her.
>Since then, she ignored Invitation from Sinder, events, conversations, and even her presence.
>Sinder wanted to get closer to people and get involved with them in order to overcome her lack of confidence, but Lily secretly mocked her, calling her a leech.
>Nano wanted to quit the job she proposed and accepted (which she was satisfied with) because of "someone's" scheme, so she fabricated the story that Red and Sinder forced her to do the job.
>Clique took Nano at her word and cooperated to destroy Sinder's career.

>>105378475
>>Sinder wanted to get closer to people and get involved with them in order to overcome her lack of confidence

>>105378475
How many DMs must Nano have that can destroy Shylily after all this? She has the clan in her hands now.

>>105378475
>>Sinder wanted to get closer to people and get involved with them in order to overcome her lack of confidence
sounds like she had plenty of confidence to fuck them over while cheerfully pretending to be friends.

>>105369429
Please do tell

>>105371603
Filian herself doesn’t do sexual content, but instead she collabs and hangs out with lewdtubers who the combaiting for her. It’s actually kind of genius when you think about it.

>>105379119
Wait, don't you know?

>>105379210
???

>>105378695
It's a path of mutual destruction.

>>105368611 (OP)
Holy fuck the Pyrocucks are doing some insane damage control, there's already people calling to have Nano deplatformed and you can tell they are Pyrocucks because of how much Sinder support they have on their accounts on Twitter.

>>105368611 (OP)
Not really

>>105379533
Guess the queen bee shylily is losing her grip

Shylily is correct because she’s hotter

>>105368611 (OP)
So its literally all of this drama a nothing burger? I've seen nothing actually change from anyone so far. The only people who have actually won is all the people watching the drama.

>>105370633
>I thought Womp Womp Whale was chill?
Adding to what everyone's saying, what really proved to me that she was an opportunistic piece of shit was that almost immediately after the docs were revealed and everyone began dogpiling on Sinder, she had the absolute nerve of having a stream titled, if I recall correctly, "Let the healing begin" while trying to convince those poor paying pyropups that she would welcome them with open arms. No one is excusing Sinder for being a gigaretard who treated her circle of friends as just a business, but it's plain as day that Shylily orchestrated everything for the sole purpose of creating a high school witch hunt because she was losing her spot as the most popular Twitch vtuber.

Nano's case is an entirely different story, but arguably she's the biggest perpetrator in this entire disaster for being such a pussy to simply say no to a business offer while twisting it as like she was being forced to cancel projects to prioritize Sinder.

>>105368611 (OP)
For ratting out Sider? no
For speanding personal time with the CEO of Twitch? absolutely

>>105379614
eeyup
Basically a girl was a shit friend and tried to sabotage her friends. They came out and exposed it to stop her from hurting more people.

5 months later, fucking 1000 pages of absolute nothing but trying to pathetically drag everyone down with her.

Es ist wirklich faszinierend, wie erfolgreich eine ehrgeizige deutsche Hure mit 3/10 Pferdefresse in diesem Zweig der Unterhaltungsindustrie sein kann.

>>105379614
>>105380114
>nothingburger
They're here. Roll out the red carpet for our esteemed guests

Nano was more in the wrong

The question is which came first: did Sinder abandon her "friends" first, or did someone make Sinder paranoid and make her give up on having friends, and then Sinder secretly tried to get revenge by making an exclusive deal?
If it's justified to launch an all-out attack in an uncertain state without discussing Sinder and those involved behind the scenes to confirm her true intentions before making it public because Sinder took the action of "betraying her friends (making an exclusive deal)," then it should also be justified to enter into an exclusive deal (legal) and pretend to be friends.
IRL, everyone will treat people they dislike at work in a friendly manner on the surface.

>>105371603
And those are the rare exceptions while almost every single western vtuber can be boiled down to "huge cleavage with exaggerated jiggle physics", and it got old a very long time ago. When we get nice designs that rely little to not at all on sex appeal like Nimi, Clio, Mint or Kanna to mention some on the top of my head, it feels like a breath of fresh air.

Nope.
>Sinder is PoS
>Nano is PoS
>RED is a cucked PoS
Whole drama summarized the post.

>>105368683
>She seems like a good whale
that's the entire gimmick, you fell for it like an idiot

not to say i didn't give her the benefit of the doubt either, but being unable to accept that she likely is a manipulative sociopath at this point says more about your future than it does for shylily's

Schizopups out in droves again lmao

>>105369083
sinder was right though, shylily didn't have any actual valid claims against her and just pushed nanoless to destroy her friend

all of the shit about sinder could probably be forgiven by her simps, but the boyfriend was a death sentence for her career, shylily just couldn't expose it in any other way

Guys, let’s be even-handed here.

>>105380447
Fair?

Doing a mean clique shit is a bit justified when a "friend" is actively trying to sabotage your opportunities in your career, petty? Yeah, but Sinder and Red aren't some innocent fags that have been done wrong, they are awful people and got what they deserved.

Nano is probably more in the wrong. But will probably still get jobs, so who cares.

>>105370633
Shylily is like one of the those chinese emperor's consorts that puts on a pretty face and pretends to be your friend while poisoning you when you're pregnant to get rid of her competition

I don't trust any of these bitches, it's a giant circus

>>105374515
not that many people are defending sinder, but shylily is definitely not a good person

>>105380496
>Doing a mean clique shit is a bit justified when a "friend" is actively trying to sabotage your opportunities in your career, petty?
You are describing Shylily, Shylily was actively trying to sabotage other girls

>>105368611 (OP)
>wow sinder, those are some crazy viewership numbers you have been getting
>and a lot of my fans started donating to you too?
>man, would be a real shame if your secret boyfriend you told me about was made public
Wew lad, genuinely evil woman, enough plausible deniability for the vtuber community to defend her

I recommend staying away lmao

>>105380559
Proof of Lily sabotaging other girlS??
lmao, this is your brain as schizopup

>>105380774
I'm not defending Sinder, she's retarded as well, but Shylily 100% used her friendship with Sinder and IRL knowledge to kill her competition

I can't convince you otherwise, you didn't come to your defense of Shylily logically

>>105380114
>They came out and exposed it to stop her from hurting more people.
They attack her first so they won't get sabotage.

why do people even watch shylily? nothing whatsoever interesting about her content nowadays. her voice and accent were appealing at first but as a giant creator now, shes just... not interesting at all imo

>>105380936
why do you think Shylily had to destroy her competition? even she knew that.
once she drops off of top 10 female streamers on twitch, it's over for her.

>>105380559
It's possible that she was the one who persuaded Bao to talk, even though she didn't want to.
Bao always seems to be taken advantage of by those around her.

>>105380936
Womp womp bitch

>>105371603
Filian? Really?

>>105381081
Really

>>105380980
It's hard for me to ever fault Bao for being retarded, she's just born like that, she's not out to actually be malicious, she just see's people yapping and joins in, head empty

Shylily on the otherhand is the type of woman mother's used to warn their son's about

>>105381140
Because they give such good head

>>105381175
Knowing how to exploit men and destroy other women without men faulting you for it is an ancient, toxic femininity trick
Some of the smartest, evilest women that has ever existed has had this ability

>>105381372
AMAZING head though

>>105381423
The best head I ever got was not from any of my crazy exes with high body counts, but my wife after 8 years I finally asked her to suck it hard until it formed a suction, enough so that it'd make a noise when the suction was broke
I realized after that I never got a real blowjob before, I think most guys have experienced this

>>105381517
Bro really spend 8 years headless

>>105380291
Dont forget, Shylily is also a PoS

>>105381668
Point of Sale
For gamersupps

>>105381517
I don’t think that’s necessary honestly. A good bj is just a good bj. The ones best at it are the most eager to do it and actually enjoy it

>>105368611 (OP)
I don't even know what I'm supposed to hate her for. Anons keep insisting she's some evil bitch that colluded with everyone to frame Sinder but that stupid bitch basically admitted to doing everything they accused her of so why should I care

>>105382734
Truth IS an absolute defense against defamation tbf

>>105368611 (OP)
All of the ewhores have a fuckton of skeletons in their closet but unless someone huge exposes it nobody will believe them. That's how they all keep each other in check.

>>105382971
yeah I'm the skeleton

>>105385753
You should come out, you don’t have to wait for june

>>105368611 (OP)
From this
>>105354555
It's pretty clear Shylily orchestrated the takedown of Sinder to eliminate a rival. Whether or not that was a bad or wrong thing to do is up to you.

>>105368611 (OP)
>sinder is a grifting whore
>shylily is a grifting whore
Pointless question

why women are evil

??

When will the Sindercucks stop and move on?

>>105370926
bao is at fault for being fat and doing irl webcam streams despite claiming to be a 'vtuber'

>>105368611 (OP)
All these women are exactly as bad as I always thought they were and we should've gatekept harder but the flesh is weak and twitch viewers are black and 15

>>105390708
>bao
>fat
Good

>>105368611 (OP)
Gamersups is an MLM for retarded ex-cosplay whores and male fleshies and they're all fighting for their shitty perks they use to tell their parents "mooooooooooommm I'm not a whore on the internet, I'm an investor"

>>105390708
I liked the gun shooting stream.

>>105370926
Vtubers and streamers in general are all so morally bankrupt it's demoralizing me. Grim.

>>105391310
Me too anon

>>105368611 (OP)
From all the info so far it looks like Lily had Sinder on the crosshair the moment Sinder stepped out of line with the first V-card release and leaked some info about it, BEFORE LILY had said anything about it, and it alone made Lily ultra mad as she views herself as the top dog and the main character in Gamersups. From that point onward Lily is ghosting / talking shit / refusing collabs with Sinder.
And yes, everything points at Lily being the main mastermind that prepared the whole dogpiling on Sinder on the same day, including making Nano cancel the Sinder deal and telling everyone to ghost Sinder.

>>105382734
Not really. Sinder admitted to bein a shit friend, but the root cause of the dogpile was Sinder "blackmailing/pressuring" Nano into exclusivity deal, which is now confirmed as false with Nano herself admitting that she was the one that asked Sinder for exclusivity deal. Sinder's dm screencap also show that Nano was happy about the deal and asked for it itself glazing Sinder how much she likes to work for her...
Sinder being a piece of shit friend, and Lilly framing Lily into blackmailing Nano can be both true you know.

>>105368683
FPWP

>>105390708
>bao is at fault for being a degenerate
ftfy
all indie vtubers are trash, but whatever trash you decide to support should at least be funny.

>>105391845
all cut from the same cloth, anon
all getting paid from USAID, they're all related and are scamming the system, and american tax payers.

>>105368683
>>105368706
>>105369484
>>105374515
>>105374528
none of you are dan clancy so she won't fuck you :)

>>105368706
this, but unironically

>>105371038
>chibidoki?
you sure about that?
chibi is all sex, anon

>>105380447
didn't she cheat on her bf?
i can understand liking her for the sex appeal, but cheating whores are disgusting

>>105368611 (OP)
Evil talentless whore that rose to the top by stealing, copying and sucking cocks

>>105368611 (OP)
She can cancel anyone willy-nilly. No one should have that kind of power.

>>105398005
>Evil talentless whore that rose to the top by stealing, copying and sucking cocks
ok, who are you talking about? you need to narrow it down, you just described 99% of women

>>105368611 (OP)
Remember when this bitch was talking tough about sending the police after those Pyropup dweebs from a private Discord of less than 10 people for posting shit of her that you can find online in 2 seconds? lol

The torpedo of truth is that everyone involved is a bad person.

Sinder, Bao, Nano, Shylily are all bad people for different reasons.

>>105368611 (OP)
No not really, but she is still evil and a manager BF haver. So not worth watching shylily either.
Pyropups are such fucking cucks it's insane.
>>105375344
>>105378475
You are such a fucking loser it's crazy.
>>105390658
They won't. They probably get sinder red sex tape for defending her online or something.

>>105400515
>lilycuck pretending to be neutral
Lmao.

>>105368611 (OP)
Yes. And so was everyone else involved with that shit

>>105394911
bro I don't care for lily at all
if you need 1000 pages to explain an incident you're probably very creative

>>105398031
Genuinely this. Nobody should have the power or reputation to end someone's career like that. Sinder didn't deserve what she got, especially with Lily defending nano.

Watching Shylily inflate her own ego and farm clout off of all this was really fucked up. Having her defeat the "fire monster" in her new lore video was so on the nose that it was kinda hard to watch without cringing.

>>105390708
bao is at fault for being a mental toddler
shes a literal child in adults body and she believes in everything every person tells her, 0 critical thinking skills, just lots of crying

Just sinder's obsession with that cunt silvervale being her best buddy makes me hate her. It's so pathetic. Coordinated attack or not, all these twitch whores are horrible people anyway.

>>105368611 (OP)
obviously

Nobody bar Bao and Silver in this entire thing are saints.

Red by far is probably the worst because jesus fucking christ dude get your shit together, probably reaching your 30s and acting like a gossiping high school girl. >Silver in a polite way refuses to collab
>she must have sent those people calling Sinder a Silver knock off when Sinder debuted
An adult man btw

Only proves my thesis that every vtuber, streamer or whatever other kind of online personality needs to work an actual job for several years before doing online stuff to actually make them grow up

Pretty sad seeing Pyropups bending over backward to defend Sinder when Evanit0 (of "MY VTUBER GIRLFRIEND REVEAL" and "What It's Like Dating A Vtuber" fame) is obviously putting himself in position to replace Redacted.
>"Sinder did nothing wrong, BUT she shouldn't be dating Red, who caused all sorts of problems, but she's still innocent. Sinder, you already know I did tech stuff for CDawgVA, call me."

>>105404218
You can also look at it like this, no?

>says we can talk in discord
>gets asks to collab
>says no
>doesnt respond to any type of communication after that
>said it was okay to talk in discord

>breaks down on stream crying saying how she was relentless and wouldnt leave her alone even after being explicitly told she didnt want to be friends


While yes, she was pushy and cringe, it doesn't warrant the response from someone who took to opportunity to dogpile in the way that they did. Crying and breaking down over a couple of discord messages and some appearances at a meet and greet?

>>105368611 (OP)
yes. never trust a german, anon.

>>105404801
Anon, Sinder would dupe other creators to put her in a room/meet and greet with her to beg for collab merch.

She typed out 300 fucking pages about this woman.

>>105407574
95% of all the chapters are screenshots and transcribed text from streams people chose to say about her, compared to the overall size of the document she typed very little. It's mostly all just context. When you say she typed out 300 pages (238 btw), id actually guess her typing is maybe in the ballpark of 5-10, with a lot of the screenshots being repetitively used through other chapters so that each chapter can stand-alone.

>Anon, Sinder would dupe other creators to put her in a room/meet and greet with her to beg for collab merch.

Even if this was true (i don't think it is). Does this somehow justify the response and lies? Saying things that she had done which she didn't, saying things they did which they didn't all while emotionally crying to an audience to try and dogpile and paint a picture of someone that isn't real.

Surely she didnt take the first chance they got to take someone down who had grown to her size and was someone that was compared to her for a very long time.

>>105408522
>Even if this was true (i don't think it is)
https://x.com/DeputyARUUU/status/1916639157079642534

>>105408522
While it's clear you weren't paying attention to the sinder drama since the start, the problem is in just how many people she used and tried to mess with even without Nano. Nano was just another tool for sinder to hurt people.

Sinder and her boytoy are the worst kind of ladder climbers. "Friendships" don't exist. Just varying degrees of "How can I use you to get more clout?" and "How can I make sure you never get as big as me?"

>>105408661
Read the Document.

But again, you dodged the question. Even if this was done maliciously (is this even possible, its just networking - albeit a little pushy) is the response she got justified, how often does this occur in the content creation space as a whole. Is there anyone who has been blasted as hard as she was for this?

>At the con, she mentioned that she knew Silvervale while we were sitting by the VShojo booth. This was the first time I learned this, and I didn’t “notice they were mutuals” like she claimed. At the con, she mentioned that she knew Silvervale while we were sitting by the VShojo booth. This was the first time I learned this, and I didn’t “notice they were mutuals” like she claimed.

> I told her I was planning to go to her meet and greet the next day. I had nothing against Silvervale at the time this happened, and I wasn't motivated to meet her by “deep hatred” like Aruuu claimed. I chose to invite Aruuu to come with me because I was nervous to see her myself, but I was going either way.

All of this is shown in the hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of pages of DM's she posted btw.

>>105409020
>) is the response she got justified, how often does this occur in the content creation space as a whole. Is there anyone who has been blasted as hard as she was for this?
Are you fucking kidding? This kind of garbage happens almost every day in the creator space at varying levels. Did you think Sinder was the first case of a "google dockey?"
Hell, the response was completely mild and you're making it sound like she's at risk of actual death.
All that happened is that both her "friends" and the other creators who worked with her realized how bad it was to work with her and dropped her completely to avoid getting burnt again.

You want an example of an actual unjustified "blasting?" Go check out what happened to Zaion for getting fired from Nijisanji.

Sayu would kill to only have to deal with Sinder's "blasting."

>>105409384
>the respose was completely mild
Character assassination and ruining your career is now considered mild by the whoreclan? Jesas.

>>105391845
I'm sure you can find vtubers who aren't part of this twitch streamer grindset. Part of this is who you're choosing to pay attention to.

>>105409384
Show me one instance where there is a large creator in tears over relentless harassment, when that harassment equates to a couple of DMs and a couple of appearances at meet and greets, where said creator is actually not even there but streaming from their home.

You have to remember how quickly everyone jumped onto the hate train initially. Everyone is now silent. Even in nano's discord explanation the reasoning shifts from "I was manipulated" to it was actually only about the blacklisting. Which makes the coordinated and planned character assassination have that much more weight.

We will have to wait and see but chances are no one says anything. Or it will be about shifting the goalposts (which is already happening) and remain fervently angry at someone for no reason to avoid admitting fault.

Let's wait and see.

>>105409625
Again, it's not "character assassination" if the only thing that happens is that people who you fucked over stop being friends with you.
Why don't you compare it to actual character assassination attempts like Zaion or ProJared?
Was/Did Sinder
A) Doxxed with her photo/address/name/passport pasted all over twitter for weeks
B) Got her phone spammed and her home harassed by said doxxers
C) Lost her entire community and had to even part ways with her staff because they were also getting doxxed and harassed
D) lost a marriage with her being labeled as the cheater (well sinder did half of that at least)
E) actually completely blacklisted by the industry, with the only people willing to deal with her being scammers from china, forcing her to relearn how to do every step of video creation/editing process from the beginning
F) not even do the things she was accused of?

Hell, she even kept her boyfriend!

>>105409737
>Everyone is now silent.
Because there's nobody left who cares.
She won't hurt the other girls anymore, and her own sycophants already worship her.

>>105409920
You are replying to the wrong person.

But what he know is
>Stepped away from GS
>No longer Mythic
>Potentially lost a large portion of their community

Is yet to see how their return to streaming plays out, but i think its likely going to be positively received at least from the viewers and she will remain blacklisted in the community. Maybe she goes harder on fansly to make up lost revenue.

Also, saying someone has had it worse also doesn't make what happened to her okay - forgive me for not being aware of all drama ever.

>>105410037
There are a lot of people who care, take a look at shylily's twitter. Her stream was full of people being banned asking questions, there are a lot of people who care.

>>105410214
Gonna tell you right now, she's not even blacklisted and will likely be able to claw back most of the relationships (generally the smaller ones) from before.

It's just a bit annoying considering we've seen this happen time and time again when it's actually undeserved, but this time when the girl genuinely fucks over her friends and community for clout, you have tourists coming in out of the woodwork to defend her without knowing any context.

>>105409625
>Character assassination
She assassinated her own character I'm pretty sure. Her big 1000 pages document full of screenshots did next to nothing in terms of clearing her name, it just put certain shitty things she did or said into context that still made her look like a bitch. The entire doc exists to blame Shylily for orchestrating the original callout in hopes that framing it as people working together against her will win her back some favor rather than actually try and exonerate her actions in any way. She's pathetic, and the fact faggots still want to support her shows that her plan will work in the end.

>>105410368
I dunno, as someone who read all the document, I didn't get this impression at all. I don't see how asking someone to not work for people as some sort of egregious sin - even if they were considered your friend. There was no repercussion when Nano went back on her agreement. And anyone who has any sort of artist who only works for them is also doing the same thing - just not explicitly.

You and these creators need to get the idea out of your head that they are friends, they never were and I think thats the biggest takeaway, we saw it with Mizkif and we are seeing it again, people trusting people who you think are your friends but are just waiting for your downfall for their pound of flesh. Like any content creation space, they are all ladder climbing of each other - this is not wrong or evil.

IF they were friends this would have been private, look at how quickly they all jumped on the train to remove someone from their space.

actual insane behavior to think she deserved anything close to near what he got.

Its literally 3 paragraphs into her document
>Dispel rumors, misconceptions, and theories about me, show how and why things actually occurred, and point out and refute discrepancies and lies in the claims or statements made against me. We’ve done things wrong, but the amount and degree of them has been incredibly exaggerated or completely made up.

>We’ve done things wrong, but the amount and degree of them has been incredibly exaggerated or completely made up.

>>105409737
>Show me one instance where there is a large creator in tears over relentless harassment
How are you comparing to?
I really lost here, also different anon here.

>>105411114
Silvervales "experience" with Sinder.

>>105410674
>I don't see how asking someone to not work for people as some sort of egregious sin
NTA but it's cause it's not. While some of the vtubers did focus on it just being inherently a bad thing, I think a majority of people who read the original callouts were way more upset with the fact that she was trying to handicap her "friends" in the industry (Or if you actually believe her, her retarded manager/boyfriend). You can say "it's just business" or that "nobody is truly friends in this industry", and I don't think you're wrong, in a vacuum there's nothing wrong with offering artists exclusivity deals or trying to elbow your way up the ladder at the expense of others, but when your business is being a two faced snake in the grass who pretends to be friends with one mouth while actively trying to sabotage them with the other, then you can't act surprised when everyone wants you out of the garden. They have their own business to protect as well.

>>105411445
I'd say Sinder got what she deserved. It is awkward to be in the position of both business partner and friend. However it is time for Shylily, Nano, and the rest who dog piled to be dragged down their high horse.
The only good ones where those who gave their sympathies and left it at that.

>>105411445
That wasn't the initial cause though. It is one of the many things that were dogpiled on her. The main reason she was attacked initially was because of a perceived manipulation of the artist, which did not occur.

The reason I talk so heavily about this part is because the main reason is now effectively moot as Nano has confirmed and backpeddled, in a way, confirming she was actually manipulated into what was written (by shylily) to try and frame manipulation. When in her words "it was actually about the blacklisting" and the first document (she wrote) "looks weird".

Because the only thing she could have actually done which would be considered bad, was agreeing to ask someone not to work with people. Totally underserving of the backlash she received, is that being a shit "friend", sure. If that were the only thing to have come out would the backlash have been what it is? No.

>>105411764
>However it is time for Shylily, Nano, and the rest who dog piled to be dragged down their high horse
It's been refreshing seeing Nano get some more heat this time around on places other than /here/.

>>105379210
Her Fansly is basically getting a cut from one of the people who skinwalked her to make lewd content (since the model isn't hers). There are literal Filian prostitutes on VRChat

>>105411815
>The main reason she was attacked initially was because of a perceived manipulation of the artist, which did not occur.
No the main thing was her being a two-faced snake who focused on manipulating people and treating them as enemies while pretending to be friends.
The nano thing was just another symptom of it, but was absolutely NOT the core problem.

>>105368611 (OP)
Don't know, don't care. I don't watch whores.

>>105413161
>t. fandead

Yes all liggers are backstabbing, lying whores. Just because one of them had a more obvious woman moment than the rest doesn't change this fact.

>>105412951
Negative. The Nanoless document (the main one) was pretty explicit in framing a picture of Sinder manipulating them into cancelling projects, when it was infact her who canceled them (and blamed her husband/manager for the reasoning (foreshadowing???))

There is a reason why Bao and I think Spite where the only ones who had any sort of apology in the document. Because they were the only ones genuinely done wrong, and ive said it a thousand times now. If that were all that would be publicly leaked - this would have been an actual nothing burger. I dont think she would have lost her talent agency, i dont think she would have lost a large portion of her community, i dont think she would have lost her stake in GS.

It wasn't the main focus, nanoless was. Her being shit to Bao was secondary.

>>105411815
>The main reason she was attacked initially was because of a perceived manipulation of the artist, which did not occur.
>
>The reason I talk so heavily about this part is because the main reason is now effectively moot as Nano has confirmed and backpeddled, in a way, confirming she was actually manipulated into what was written (by shylily) to try and frame manipulation
I don't disagree that Nano's document in retrospect was complete and utter shit, and the fact that a lot of her "evidence" was either exaggerated, distorted, or outright faked, makes that initial document framing of "I was being manipulated!" completely unfounded, however, I also don't think it negates a lot of the stuff that was true about her, including her disdain for others and her unchecked jealousy that made her say and do some pretty heinous things behind closed doors. Truthfully, I'm somewhat convinced if Nanoless had been the only one to speak out, her document would've been torn apart and Sinder would have walked away from this rather cleanly. She just unfortunately had made one too many careless mistakes with the wrong people and suffered the consequences for it.

>>105413294
>Her being shit to X was secondary
And this is why Sinder will never be forgiven, and why people will continue to take Nano and the other girls' side in this.
Go rethink your life, buddy. You clearly have some shit priorities.

>>105412951
>two-faced snake
>those who dogpiled on her are not two-faced snake themselves when the google dockey of that nanoliar dropped
Yeah keep on pointing to yourselves whoreclan.

>>105413384
People are allowed to make mistakes and apologize and atone for them anon, they don't deserve the have a career stripped from them because of it (and wouldn't have if it was only Bao and Spite as so the only genuine wrong doings).

>and why people will continue to take Nano and the other girls' side in this.
:) open your eyes.

>>105413383
>that made her say and do some pretty heinous things behind closed doors.
we agree though that this is only adding bao onto a blacklist, DURING a discussion about exclusivity (which would blacklist everyone), which was agreed on by everyone involved (to which she says she had no knowledge of, believe or not)?

And claiming spite copied her and asking not to work with her?

Or was there anything else, those 2 things are not heinous.

>>105398031
Well, sometimes it just falls into your lap. Having power is not wrong in and of itself, but you have a greatly heightened responsibility to not use it.

>>105413718
Look man Sinder can have her own community just like Niji EN have their own and don't interact with anyone else.

Sometimes, even if the truth comes out, evil wins. Shylily won. She ruined Sinder's career. Tarnished her name so thoroughly that she will never completely recover. That's just the way the indie vtuber sphere is. It's a doggie dog world for all intensive purposes.

>>105416591
She fucked her way up to get this power, don't kid yourself. It did NOT just "fall into her lap".