Thread 105766821

Male vtubers are the most oppressed minority

There are more men that want to watch cute girls than women that want to watch cute boys. I don't know why streamers and fans cope and seethe over this simple fact.

>>105766959
Genuinely curious, why do you think that is? You would think that if a boy is cute, lots of women would wanna watch him right?

>>105767047
Women don't want cute boys they want men
And you can't be very manly talking to a camera and playing games

I would rather watch a woman do anything literally anything men go work at your desk get off my tv

Men don't want to watch ikemen avatars, why is this so fucking hard to digest for homobeggars?

Hard for me to believe they need exclusively female viewers when there are plenty of male flesh streamers that have millions of mostly male followers

>>105767047
More men watch vtubers in general. I remember seeing some chart that Hololive fans were like 80% men and 20% women. This is an industry that panders to the lonely and desperate, and theres way more lonely and desperate men than they are women.

>>105767116
>Women want men not boys
Then why do so many vtubers like reading yaoi?

>>105767372
Those are men
Wierd deformed men but still men

>>105766821 (OP)
>Fucking GROK thread because OP wanted to seethe about dudes but couldn't be assed to actually find them doing anything wrong

>>105767334
Male vtubers can't appeal to men, and the two that managed to do so crashed and burned spectacularly

>>105767334
The type of man who watches female vtubers doesn't watch male vtubers.

>>105767454
Femoid fingers wrote this post

>>105766821 (OP)
X actually gives me the dumbest shit In my feed it's unreal

>>105766821 (OP)
why the fuck would I want to watch a faggot streamer? If I'm going to watch a male streamer you have to play a niche autism game or be like that guy who lives in the trash house with 4 teeth who eats steak and bangs that one asian chick who got raped at twitchcon

>>105766959
Because it implies this is an inherently sexual/romantic field devoid of entertainment value when a lot of vtubers (male or otherwise) want to be liked for their content and not because their audience wants to fuck them, just like an other genre of content creation. Considering what rises to the top, it's kind of true.
Brotubers aimed at straight men exist, but they're a niche within a niche and you can count the ones that can actually make a living off streaming on one hand.

>>105767953
>If I'm going to watch a male streamer you have to play a niche autism game
This, I watch my oshi because I think she's cute and endearing while also having pretty varied game choices, so she's regularly streaming things I'm interested in watching. I watch male streamers too, some even use vtuber avatars, but I watch them because they cater to a niche I'm interested in most of the time (speedrunning or other misc. autism).
I will grant that I'm more willing to watch totally random variety stuff from my oshi than from some random dude (though I still watch some people who do variety of a specific genre I'm into).

>>105766821 (OP)
If you want to be a successful male streamer then go the flesh route.

>>105768299 (me)
Also, this disparity isn't even a phenomenom exclusive to vtubers. Look up the stats on male/female nurses for example, I've seen men complain about the disparity on that field too.

>>105766959
People like vox hate that the only thing his fans want is to suck his cock and want to believe that women like him for his stunning personality and personal attributes and not just because his model looks hot and he can do a deep voice

>>105767178
Men just want to watch guys being dudes which is why I only watch Chaika and Yashiro.

>>105768405 (not me)
Same in Cosplay. Your only choices for success as a male are:
1. Be a 'Benny' and build shit for your gf/wife to wear and take credit for (less effective than it used to be since they only need Aliexpress lingerie now)
2. Just be a crafter and write books on how to craft (preferably with a woman on the cover)
3. Be a bodybuilder with 2% bodyfat, 10/10 genetics, high-tier craft skills, charisma and industry contacts (only 2 guys have pulled this off).
Otherwise, low-effort Fem versions of male characters are more popular than you will ever be.

>>105767334
The vtubing audience is mostly male and the industry is historically female-dominated
Male vtubers don't NEED to target a female demographic, but it's significantly more difficult to convince male viewers to watch male vtubers

This will inevitably change the more vtubing breaks into the mainstream and reaches wider audiences
One thing that doesn't help is that the most-successful male vtubers primarily interact with female vtubers. Shoto, PorcelainMaid, Lord Aethelstan and others are primarily associated with their close streaming friends who are all female. This is partially a consequence of vtubing being female-dominant of course.

As an example, when YourAverageBo started appearing on Vedal's streams, he was lifted from a literal who to like 200+ CCV. Nothing crazy sure, but it demonstrates the power larger creators have to uplift others. That's kind of already a known quantity, but it works just the same for male vtubers. It just has to happen more often.

>>105766821 (OP)
There are a ton of successful male streamers who don't even have a camera, why waste money on a vtuber model? You can't tell me it's not to hit on female vtubers

>>105768299
>>105768405
and is not only about amount of viewers but revenue too, a dude needs like 200 ccv to compare to a girl 50 ccv makes on donations.

>>105769372
But how else will they worm their way into female vtuber pants?

>>105769372
>There are a ton of successful male streamers who don't even have a camera
dont focus on the successful cases, look at the whole field.

>>105766821 (OP)
There's really only one kind of guy I could see being properly successful with all groups and they'd have to be so bizarrely genuine all while fighting an uphill battle the entire time that I doubt they'd ever actually get anywhere. They'd have to be like doomguy up against all the other male vtuber.

>>105767047
>Genuinely curious, why do you think that is?
The statement is misleading. It's not a matter of there being more males or fewer females in the fanbase. It's the fanbase itself. There is a fuckton of overlap with the vtuber fanbase and the anime fanbase. The anime fanbase in general leans toward an interest in cute girls. This is why most gachas(another thing that has a large overlap with the anime audience) either sell you females exclusively or a female majority and games focused on males are niche. LADS is doing well but that's only because it has basically the entirety of the audience that it's catering to.

That's really all there is to it. Anime fans tend to like seeing cute girls more than cute boys. There are a very small handful of extremely successful male vtubers and they are consuming a vast majority of the niche audience who cares about watching males.

>>105767047
Female vtubers act like cute anime girls
Male vtubers still act like men

Lets be honest, most male vtubers are boring.
Men will watch cute girl for no reason because woman.
They will not watch boring man for no reason.

Give men a interesting reason to watch, get viewers.
If you go with generic gamer boy or millennial podcast crap, consider yourself done before you start.

>>105768926
What the fuck is this image kek men really just make shit up to victimize themselves

>>105769780
>Male vtubers still act like men
Lol no they don't, they act like whiny boys or thirsty losers

>>105769851
neither of you are wrong.

>>105769372
>You can't tell me it's not to hit on female vtubers
From the people ive talked talked to, some of it is branding, some of it is retention, some of it is to have anything to stand out in a crowd of tens of thousands of streams, some of it was just that they were fans of vtubers and wanted to be part of that subset of the community instead of the streaming community as a whole.
Something like having more than 10 concurrent viewers puts you at he top 3% of streamers on twitch. So doing anything to stand out is the name of the game

>>105766959
Yeah in the vtuber sphere there are a fair amount of women and girls who want to watch cute boys or hot guys, but they're not nearly as large in comparison to guys. Vtubing is a niche, the audience is there for a niche, and trying to find a niche inside of a niche rarely leads to anything fruitful. 9 times out of 10, if you're a man, you're better off streaming without a vtuber avatar altogether because it only serves as a debuff for views.

>>105769586
>>105769917
You're right, I didn't consider that the successful ones are only a fraction of a percentage of people who tried. That being said, i wonder if there's something about a majority of people who choose to become male vtubers that contributed to their lack of success

>>105770493
Perspective. Most of them are fans of female vtubers, not male vtubers, so they unconsciously follow their lead. Funny thing is that they like those girl vtubers regardless of whether they're crazy funny, original or creative so they as well don't push themselves to be those things because to them it's not apparent they need to be that way. They kind of just clock in, clock out and that's it.

>>105766821 (OP)
As a guy I don't want to watch some irritating faggot. It's not rocket science. I wouldn't go to a concert of some K-pop boyband either. It's telling that the most successful male vtubers had somewhat ugly designs that weren't trying to appeal to the ladies. Of course, magni left precisely because he wanted that kind of design.

They didn't understand Vesper's appealthough with his weirdly hot redesign he used for one day.. Aruran turned into some Zoomer DJ and lost a lot of his appeal too.

>>105767047
Most male vtubers are dorky and nerdy, both personality and voice
They give off icky and creepy energies

Also when a girl uses a vtuber avatar it’s like she is protecting her chastity + making herself cuter
When a guy does it, it’s like “Why isn’t he showing his real face and body? Is he insecure?”
Same reason makeup is okay for women and not for men

Lastly women want the top guy, while men are okay with middle of the road girls or even following multiple girls. Women will concentrate on one streamer like Hassan, because he is the hottest and most popular, while the men will spread out.

Honestly if a male vtuber wants to succeed they should be a femboy and pander to men. Dunno if anyone tried this yet

>>105766821 (OP)
Men who are actually entertaining to watch dont become vtubers.

>>105767118
For me, I only watch female vtubers but only watch male sports

>>105767047
Women don't find streaming to be a very attractive profession, much less streaming with an anime avatar to hide your face. That's basically all it is. The kinda men that become vtubers are generally already unattractive and women know this. If they were attractive they'd be streaming with a facecam. The fact they don't means they're unworthy of female attention, in the mind of the average female.

Men on the other hand are less shallow and more willing to suspend their disbelief, so female vtubers have a much easier time gaining popularity without "proving their value" through a face reveal.

Go to any male vtuber communities and literally 90% of the posts are just about doxxposting and their fans arguing about the person behind the avatar. Women just genuinely cannot feel attraction to a man without knowing his real world status.

>>105767334
Male streamers succeed on personality, wit and talent, not counting industry plants like hasan and kai cenat. Women compensate for a lack of these by being cute. L2ds make them cute. A dude using an avatar is as appealing as a dude wearing makeup.

Male vtubers made a misandrist and rabid feminist.

why do all vtubers type in capslock all the time using the crying emoji and overreacting to everything

Too often the dude tubers are trying to emulate the girl tubers.
The girls live off being thrown simp bucks like a stripper.

Men cannot do that.

Only way that works is by going shota bait, yaoi bait, or both.
Then you end up with a fujo audience of rabid women who will tear anything apart that gets in range.
Thus your audience is limited to rabid fujos and growth highly limited.

Plenty of male streamers avoid this by being interesting in their niche, there are far more successful dudes than girls.
And many dudes outside the vtubing sphere without facecam (usually game avatars of some sort, minecraft, cod, variety, etc) are more successful than female streamers.

Male vtubers need to stop thinking they can emulate a woman stripping on a pole, and think "how do I maximise the dudes who might buy by fucking awesome merch in between sponsor segments".

>>105773129
The misogyny on a board based around watching female vtubers is always fascinating.

>>105766821 (OP)
Male vtubers are basically women NBA.
no one wanna watch them, they solely exist for the sake of it.

>>105773177
My apologies, the comparison was incorrect. When you give a 20 to a stripper she’ll give you a lapdance
You pay 150 dollars to make a fart noise on her stream

>>105766821 (OP)
first stage productions is mogging phase with their respective last gens, I don't see the problem. :)

>>105768274
Explain why all male Vtuber models that are popular either fall into the Ikemen category or the twink category then faggot?

>>105769851
Yeah just like I said, male vtubers still act like men.

Why do people keep using Vesper as some holy and perfect example of a male vtuber when he was actually gay and had a faggy lisp in his voice? I thought you all hated faggots?

>>105773881
we like based faggots who dont make it their entire personality

This entire thread is just men who don't watch male vtubers nor are interested in ever watching them and have never interacted with a woman outside their family speaking as if they do watch male vtubers and know all about women. It's fascinating to witness such blatant disconnect from the subject.

>>105773881
Because vesper was and still remains the only example of a successful male vtuber who actually had a male audience

>>105766821 (OP)
Who is the top streamer in the world? Men. Who is the best reactor on twitch? Men. Who is award winning gamer in all kind of pc games? Men. Who hosted competition and challenge video that have hundreds million of views? Men. So the male vtubers should look at themselves in the mirror and stop blaming women for their own failure

The guys who whine about this are the guys who spend a dumb amount on a model and then their "content" is 4 hours of silver ranked apex and 6 hours of replyguying to girls and swearing that if the evil parasocials didn't exist they'd be popular because they could collab (leech) more.

I want to be a brotuber. What are the keys to success? So far it seems:

-stream every day
-don't be a sexpest
-don't be an ikkeman
-never face reveal

>>105774244
>never face reveal
does this really matter for men?

>>105767047
Mostly skill issue. In JP male and female vtuber have equal footing

>>105774244
You need to be very good at something, and also be charismatic. If you are not charismatic you can suck up to blackrock and night media and have them promote you
Also helps if you have lots of friends who hype you up
Being a sexpest doesnt matter. 95% of streamers are sex pests

>>105774266
Sometimes. It killed dream

>>105769372
This. They are sexpests from the very start

Male vtubers are just not meant to be successful in large, yeah there are certainly big male vtubers but they are an exception. Its just that the things that make male fleshstreamers popular, being entertaining/good at games, does not translate well into being a male vtuber where your model is going to be more appealing to women, and just having the anime aesthetic turns off most people so they'll just stick with fleshstreamers. Meanwhile its the opposite for women, female fleshstreamers are mostly not as popular as men and are generally only liked because of their looks. But for female vtubers, they are popular the same reason male fleshstreamers are cause they're entertaining but also have the cute girl aesthetic that is much more appealing to men than it is to women. I'm just so tired of seeing beggars use the same shit arguments that have been beaten to death over why the boys aren't popular. Its simply the fact that they are in a company that is dominated by female members and male fans

>>105768926
A man who looks and dresses decent will mog someone who fulfills like 90% of that list.
Also, women don't like gym rats. They want a man who looks handsome naturally, not a muscle body.

>>105773881
He has some gay stalker in this place

>>105774329
I am decently charismatic but all my friends are normies and druggie degens I've grown away from so I mainly just want to hang around people who are interested in gaming and art and streaming

I'm also rich from crypto so I don't care much about donos

>>105774329
Think like a female won't work for a male chubba, idiot

>>105774405
>women don't like gym rats
Completely false. Men with muscles on upper body get laid more often than those don't

>>105766821 (OP)
I legit don't even know of any male vtubers other than the handful that have shown up when henya was in a collab with others. If I am going to watch a guy stream a game I am more likely to watch someone like oney or mark instead of some fake anime boy.

>>105768926
bad take. make more than 100k and you can get a mid woman who will have kids with you without having to do anything else. be prepared for the divorce rape in 10 years though

>>105766821 (OP)
holostars jp might have failed anyway, but yagoo being indecisive by first making them a taboo and then completely flip-flopping on his policy regarding the relationship with hololive when they failed surely didn't help
and both in the case of jp and en they had to play catch-up with nijisanji

>>105766821 (OP)
consdering there are extremely ugly male youtubers like charlie and asmon who are extremely popular I feel any male vtuber is a truly horrible ogre like being which makes me not want to watch

Ah... The usual "Real Male Vtubers never been tried!"

>>105766821 (OP)
>mizumatranni the "femboy" phasemonkey dramafag vtweeter whose content is just lying about actual vtubers and sending his fellow monkeys to attack them
>"people dont like me cus im male"
yeah no

>>105766821 (OP)
Stop making them use the same CGDCT formula as for the female counterparts unless you're in only for fujobait and underage tards (in which case be happy with the numbers you pull), also if you want to cater to the male audience genshin impact ikemen/twinks models ain't gonna cut it.
If you want to cater to men with cash specifically do autistic cool shit on stream (speedrunning and breaching new records in vidya, building/modding/making things irl on stream, etc...). Heck, even non strictly speaking vtubers (eg: vedal, h2osakana) can theoretically pull more high numbers alone because of this and that's says a lot.

>>105766821 (OP)
They need to hire straight out of host clubs if they want any hope of recreating Luxiem

>>105773953
>>105773177
seethe more, passive aggressive troon
ywnbaw

>>105767047
there is no female loneliness epidemic

>>105774217
>Who is the best reactor on twitch?
>outing yourself as a twitchtard
kek

>>105766821 (OP)
What are they expecting exactly, government mandated viewers to make them equal to female vtubers in noombers?

>>105767047
Women just have better things to do. Unlike men they get a lot of value out of just going outside.

>>105774266
It literally ruined Dream and Corpsehusbands careers because their female audience lost attraction after associating face to voice

>>105776087
This is nonsense. Both sexes are equally alone right now, 'male loneliness epidemic' is just media framing.

>>105776191
Yes

>>105774244
dont. its not sustainable. if you take the traditional game route, guys would rather be playing RealMenTM games themselves than watch someone who isnt a cute girl fumble at it and youll always end up having to pander to the female audience to survive which would alienate your few remaining male audience and end up in a Vox death spiral while this >>105768447 happens to you

>>105776307
This guy has to be like 15 years old tops

>>105776317
I really don't want to stream face though. I might have to go back to a professional job someday and I don't want to get doxxed with 1000's of hours of me talking smack online out there.

i dont understand why anyone even cares about male vtubing. its one of the few industries where women have the advantage over men.

>>105774244
Just be a fleshtuber. Plenty of normal, male fleshtubers around who just play games and chill.

Male vtubers? Theres Kenji, Shoto, thats all I got.

the only EN male vtubers that gain any easy traction are the ones catering to the gay audience by being sexually provocative

>>105769073
>YourAverageBo started appearing on Vedal's streams
He never appeared on Vedal's streams
He got raided twice by Vedal and frequently appears on Ellie's streams.

>>105766821 (OP)
male vtubers need to pull an audience from beyond the vtuber sphere by doing something that is unique not only in the vtuber world but also in the wider world too
See uwo and vedal (i guess vedal doesn't count here)

>>105766821 (OP)
>Male vtubers are the most oppressed minority
Oppressed by who?

>>105773881
Anons liked Vesper because he acted like an oldfag early on, then he ended up bitching out after his xcom perms got rejected.

>>105766821 (OP)
Theres a ton of popular male vtubers, they're just either jp ones or their the nijisanji en ones. Considering how much vtuber fans love to console war this honestly just comes off like you retards being upset holostars do horribly more than anything, especially since their still are popularindie male chuubas in the west even if way less than in jp.

>>105767047
Believe it or not, spending time on your pc watching streams is still a male dominated hobby

>>105776213
What do women do outside?

>>105777101
Vtubers are the dominant streamer type in Japan so of course there's a higher chance for males to become popular there, they're a blip on the radar in western streaming.

>>105766821 (OP)
Big fucking surprise: majority of viewers in the streaming/gaming are males, and males would rather want to watch cute/sexy anime waifu than a dude with a kpop looking ah male anime model.
More news at 6 pm.

>>105776087
This is also true. Women just sit on their social media 24/7 looking up who their best girlie is fucking with right now posting random pictures of herself and will always have desperate orbiters spamming her dm's, they don't need long term interaction with vtubers as they don't need it.

>>105769812
If they had some interesting content they would've been making reasonably popular nocam yt videos long before vtubing ever took off.
So basically that means only people who recently entered the entertainment industry and for some ungodly reason decided to invest into a vtubing model because they wanted one might have any possibility of being entertaining.

>>105776087
This is also true. Women just sit on social media 24/7, looking up who their best girlie is fucking with right now posting random pictures of herself and will always have desperate orbiters spamming her dms. They don't desire long term interaction with streamers/vtubers as they don't need it.

>>105776233
>Dream face reveal
I just looked it up and, wow, that's kinda insane. The guy isn't even bad looking. I guess it doesn't help that a lot of people already kinda thought he was an ass tho.

>>105768926
>picrel
brother you dont need half that shit on the list to be attractive. ditch the "woe is me" complex, it makes you look ten times worse than simply being shy or a little chubby. you're so focused on looksmaxxing on the outside that you aren't paying attention to the inside.

>>105776937
Whatever, same principle

>>105767047
most women have no trouble getting bf's or they will rather go out with friends than watch streams even for niji most of their fans are super nerdy asian women with controlling parents, many of them muslim so no dating before marriage.

>>105767456
magni was never that popular with men and for both of them women were the gachis anyway.

there wasn't a single time in my life when i thought
>damn, being a white man is my biggest problem right now. this sucks!
never

>>105778803
You never applied for a iob?

>>105770624
The replies itt saying girls just need to be cute kinda prove your point. A lot of female vtubers have a creative talent like drawing, singing, playing an instrument, etc that they can use to entertain their audience. And women like clothes and makeup so their model looks good too.
But what creative talents does the average vtuber male have? Growing up on ps3 and not exploring any other hobbies leads to a boring streamer. Now pair that with an ugly model because they never took interest in dressing well and you have a recipe for failure.

>>105773881
Early Vesper was great, I still think he had one of the best debut streams of all time. Unfortunately everything went downhill from there.

>>105779183
Like classical courtesans and geishas

>>105779444
What’s a male equivalent? A street busker? Where are the chuuba guys doing karaokes and playing live music

>>105778141
This is what happens when people have an image in mind of how you look, Corpse Husband is another guy who lost his fans when it turns out he was average instead of a hot twink that his fan girls thought he looked like.

>>105779708
Femboys

>>105778803
Thanks for your thoughts on this Ramsheet

>>105776307
>phase connect
>top of the mountain

>>105776307
>0 likes
Literally who

>>105776298
Lol to this

I see no one has made the distinction yet so i will
>oppressed group
>despite making up of 20% of the vtuber population they make up 95% of the sexual harrassment/grooming allegations

There are some coal arguments in this thread defending it

>And many dudes outside the vtubing sphere without facecam (usually game avatars of some sort, minecraft, cod, variety, etc) are more successful than female streamers.
it is a bit funny that several of the no face youtubers that i watch have begun with png tubing (and the audience is either neutral or mostly positive to it), though not a single one of them goes for anime boy but more western cool stuff

>>105773881
Vesper was good for 2 weeks before coming out as a vindictive retard with anger issues.

>>105781076
Male creators, streaming with cam or without it are kinda forced to become png creators if they want to collab with vtubers. Having a dude irl face cam next to a vtuber in collab is weird af, and if they don't have facecam/png people watching a collab get confused.

>>105767047
It's like sports. Why watch women play when you can see more skillful play by watching men.

>>105767047
A very large portion of men get no attention from women and nobody cares about them. They can watch vtubers to pretend to have relationship with them (parasocial) and even pay to get attention. That's widely not the case with women. Women get attention all the time.

>>105766821 (OP)
Vtubing (or idol culture in general real) is fundamentally about sociopathic upper-middle-class liberal arts majors milking horny incels. Female incels don't exist so there's no market for a coresponding idol demographic.

>>105778703
yeah fair

>>105779183
>sigh
>ybdbd
>hate marketing
there's at least 3. There are many more talented ones who are not in the spotlight

>>105779408
Initially I was excited about Vesper because I eagerly assumed an older nerd would be rather knowledgeable in multiple fields (e.g. philosophy or stem or history). But no, he didn't have any subject-specific knowledge.
That was why I was excited for male vtubers. I thought some would resort to the knowledge niche but those hopes were dashed. I know the buff guy from gen 2 is smart but he doesn't seem to do many knowledge streams. Funnily enough Ellie Minibot is the closest match for such a person.

>>105766821 (OP)
all, and I mean ALL male vtubers are sex pests.
women, especially older women, need cute anime girl avatars in order to be watchable, but there is absolutely no reason for a man to use a fuckboy twink anime avatar, than to pick up easily impressed lonely/desperate women
>proof?
literally any male vtuber eventually

>>105782077
>Female incels don't exist so there's no market for a coresponding idol demographic.
Who do you think Nijisanji caters to?

>>105775974
Damn someone feels extra called out. He's even obsessing over trannies when there are none. Fascinating.

>Get shit on for being a minority in a clearly misandrist field
>Point this out and stand your ground instead of being a cuck
>Thousands of simps and crabs insist you're actually a hecking sexpest

I also love the playbook of "anyone who shows even a slight approval of male vtubers is a homobeggar because they are not throwing money at them every stream" as if to imply this entire hobby lives and dies by niggercattle capitalism

>>105774120
He still had a majority female audience and even said this on stream. So even though you guys had a supposedly perfect "brotuber" that fit everything you wanted in one, you still didn't watch and support him.

>>105782487
Who are you even referring to? This website is full of anonymous people who prefer to pirate most media. Do you unironically believe most of /vt/ is financially supporting any vtuber whatsoever, male or female?

>>105781491
the ones i watch doesnt collab with vtubers, hell they do not collab with anyone, they just record their gayming videos and stream sometimes

>>105776087
The male "loneliness epidemic" is entirely self-inflicted. Take a shower and talk to people.

>>105777148
Take photos and post on social media

I watched Vinny long before vtubers even existed and all a male vtuber has to do to get me to watch him is to be as charming as Vinny. It's really just that simple. It's not my fault they can't do that.

>>105766821 (OP)
It's almost like a sizable amount of female Vtubers does not overlap with the content of their non-Vtuber counterparts. And being a male Vtuber is just being the anime version of a normal male streamer, and why would I watch an anime boy play random popular game when I can watch any other big streamer play the same game.

>>105774120
>actually had a male audience
Pretty sure when he read his metrics at one point he said he had more female fans watching him than male. Hell, that's why they were one of the shittiest fan bases- they were predominantly young 20s daddy issue chicks who went menhera for him.

Actually, of all of HQ, I remember Axel looking at his metrics and saying he had a 50/50 split of male and female viewers, while the rest mentioned being at 40/60 or 30/70 male to female viewers.

>>105767047
Male vtubers are mostly still dorky nerds. If they aren't blessed with a good voice and acting ability despite being a gross nerd then they will go nowhere.

>>105774244
All the male streamers I watch are pro/top players in video games. This doesn't match up with what Vtubers are variety/just chatting.

women only watch someone AFTER they are popular

>>105766821 (OP)
Meanwhile, women sports don't have near the audience as men.

>>105767047
cuteness is largely a female concern. girls who want cuteness will usually watch other girls.

>>105783775
Explain Holostars and FSP then. They are less popular than Niji boys but still have fans that watch exclusively one or the other.

>>105766959
it's mostly because of posters similar to you who constantly circlejerk about this.

>>105766821 (OP)
Vedal is just so ahead of all of the others

>>105767047
the women who fit into the criteria are only attracted to already existing success, and they'll bot their retarded faggots to insane amounts, meanwhile the regular homos get deluded by those fake bloated numbers, when reality is much less favorable to them

I think most people in general, regardless if they're men or women, assumed that vtubing would be some get quick rich scheme. It's not; I'd wager that most skilled professionals in majority of fields ends up bringing in more income for less hours worked total that a top performing vtuber. Being an entertainer is a fun career but it's highly competitive and has plenty of hidden costs.

>>105773677
You're proving my point. Heavenlyfather is the only 4view with a model that isn't at least a partial turn-off for straight men. There's multiple models that look like shounen characters or neutral animals or whatever, and yet almost all of them are 2view with a few just barely breaching the 3view barrier. It's going to lead people to believe very few people watch this genre for the love of the genre itself and not as a hypercharged parasocial sex/romance replacement.
>>105774120
Stop thinking Hololive is the only place vtubers exist.

Successful male vtubers with an explicitly male audience:
Heavenlyfather
Lordaethelstan
Porcelainmaid
Uwoslab
Zoranthewizard
Some of these have a higher consistent average than Vesper ever had.

>>105773953
Nah, I ONLY watch male vtubers because I hate women. I don't interact with the fanbase at all, so why should I care if other women are watching? Doesn't stop Bettel from being really funny.

Death to all male chuubas.

>>105786495
>I ONLY watch male vtubers because I hate women
Okay based, female vtubers are cringe

>>105772222
There are some femboys but that's even more niche since it's gay, but the kind of gay that yaoi fans don't like.

>>105767352
Single digit female viewership is pretty common in the small corpo space

>>105778641
No one swipes right on your inside, what a fucking cope. If women liked personality better than visuals they wouldn't always have a history with an abusive ex.

>>105767433
deformity is one of the first things that disqualifies a man in women's eyes

>>105766821 (OP)
I kinda want to get a Vtuber model that is just me but with all my unflattering features exaggerated.
Make the eyes beadier, make the nose larger, make the chin smaller, pull the hairline back another inch or two. But still in an anime art style.
Then just go on well-sourced rants about Balkan ethnic demographics despite not having Balkan ancestry. I think that'd be great.

>>105786495
I suspect you also only fuck men because you hate women

>>105786342
Personally I don't count babinikus since they are using the female imagery to draw viewers and hope they stay for their personality.
A male vtuber is a vtuber that explicit streams as a male avatar, from your list, the only regular dude is Heavenlyfather.
Lord leeched of his girlfriend Nyanners and his design is clearly made to attract females.
Porcelain is a babiniku.
Uwo doesn't even call himself a vtuber, it's more of a pngtuber like a regular youtuber and his streams are very experimental and he didn't even break 100k.
Don't know anything about zoran so I'll give you him, but still less than 100k subs.

I'm curious for the brotuberfags in here. Who is the best example of a current, non-graduated, corpo vtuber and why?

Isn't the top vtuber a male? Vedal?

>>105774244
I'm a male vtuber and I feel like I'm doing alright, my recommendations are:

stream consistently, develop a niche, network with others within your niche, be genuine, develop the skills to always keep talking

I can't personally vouch for edited content on YouTube because my few attempts at that haven't gone much of anywhere and I don't stay consistent with uploads but a lot of ppl recommend that as well

Weirdly it seems like guys like Randon are doing just fine. Maybe instead of demanding that straight men watch male twinktubers, the twinktubers should find their own audience using their own charisma like Gavin Bettel did?

>>105783522
Axels 50/50 split is easier when he only has 200 viewers

>>105787446
This isn't true there are plenty of crazy whores who would love a dude with no legs who can't run away or leave them.

>>105767433
I know this is a joke but something I noticed watching vtubers, well, you know how IQ for women mostly clusters around 100 average but for men it's like 33% retards 33% average guys 33% geniuses? A lot of female vtubers basically fall into this same scale- stupid fucking bitches like Finana from niji, smart gorls like Lumi from Cuck corp and a certain percentage of 'just an average girl' tubers. The IQ distribution for women who read yaoi is essentially similar to the overall IQ distribution of men, than it is to women as a larger gender/population.

>>105786342
Uwoslab is good at creating content but isnt a vtuber. Him orbiting them because he has a loli fetish does not make him one.
Heavenlyfather needed the support of russian badger whose videos get tens of millions of views to even have an ounce of relevance and would have been nothing without that
Aethelstan is made by nyanners and would be nothing without her

Zoran and porcelainmaid are the only real male vtubers there

>>105786342
Heavenly even isnt a 4view and half of his average is from raids since he is always chasing after more popular females

I'm telling you. Have a brother-sister dual debut around the same time. That should help bridge the gap unless we go straight to incest

>>105792183
>incestubers
Hot

>>105766821 (OP)
As a Hololive fan i can say i watched Kuzuha and Mayuzumi . I remember back when he was funny and was doing solo streams now he is mostly with the gang. This is why someone like Pekora or Subaru is king, almost no collabs,

>>105784454
>Being an entertainer is a fun career but it's highly competitive and has plenty of hidden costs.
It's also quite unstable. The audience is fickle, it comes and goes, it loses interest quickly if not fed enough and there may be no new one to fill up the ranks.

>>105787834
Jokes on you, I don't fuck anyone because everyone finds me repulsive.

Being a vtuber means doing the roleplay of some LARGER THAN LIFE fiction character, is like fucking WRESTLING.
You have a GIMMICK, and you follow kayfabe (keeping the illusion of it being "real")

Vtubers indies and males fail hard at this, theyr are just some normal streamer with a cringe anime avatar.
This is why hololive is at the top, girls like miko/korone/pekora/subare are like "ANIME GIRL BUT REAL", they ARE anime.

>>105788144
The problem here is there's plenty that don't inherently appeal to women and have neutral or even male-oriented content, but you'd never think so seeing some of the fanbases.
Bettel for example isn't really far removed from a typical gaming youtuber (expected if you know his past) and would feel right at home on the couch with co-op lets play channels like Oneyplays. But because his avatar is handsome and he's got a likable personality, he has a very rabid fanbase of women.
To answer your question, probably Ryoma from Nijisanji. Dude's like 50 years old and doesn't concern himself with a lot of bullshit.

>>105766821 (OP)
>Content creation in general is dominated by men.
>Women just fall out of the competition despite the voice buff. Is it the lack of masculine urge to just grind day in and out? Maybe lack of relatability as women generally won't have knowledge of man jobs and man chores so no tutorial videos in any non-makeup topic? Hell even fucking cleaning has MEN giving tutorials about.
>VTubing is one of the exceptions because anime girls are universal.
>Man, manchild and femboy sees chuuba and goes "wow so many views, so much attention, and I'm so into anemay!" then tries to grab the low hanging fruit.
>Turns out nobody sane cares about straight, red blooded anime men. Just as the bulk of fans of female vtubers are straight antisocial incel weebs the bulk of fans of male vtubers are straight femcels from weebs to kpop fangirls.
>Man fully quits or drops the whole anime bullshit and goes normie content creator.
>Manchild and femboy with no spine or heterosexuality goes all in for the gaybaiting to appease the deepest degeneracies of the femcels.
>Even then, only a portion of femcels are into faggotry and both the fake gays and BFE ones have the most massive red flags for anyone sane and with common sense, so the majority of femcels are into the female vtubers too, especially because it inherently has a girly appeal as a literal talking barbie doll.
This is just the same "nooo I can't get everything in equality, give me the equity where merit is punished instead!" moaning femfailures moan about in every field where men are successful, it's just bitch boys moaning about the girls having success literally anywhere instead.

One day male Vtubers will get the respect they deserve

>>105766821 (OP)
maybe if they weren't a bunch of cringe sex pests and just started acting normally they would get better results.

This thread is full of jealous male /asp/nigger
You should kill yourselves instead of crying here and on Twitter you fucking untermench

>Men in most streaming spaces need to be at the top of their game
Retarded take.

In every other space (that's not vtubing and like hottub streaming, obviously) men dominate.
Every male streamer succeeds more than the average female streamer.

I don't know (or care) why the sphere of vtubing is more successful for females, but it's the only sphere where female streamers succeed more than male streamers on average.
If it weren't then females would go to other spheres and not just insta jump to Vtubing to pretend to be a loli or have massive tits on screen all day.

I also feel like everyone forgets how niche vtubing still is.
No Hololive doesn't represent the entire sphere, it's niche.

>>105767047
women can get their cute boy fix through books/manga/video games. The fantasy gets ruined when an actual guy gets mostly free reign to do whatever they want with a character, then you get situations like what happened with Vesper Noir where all his fem fans basically ditched him because he started chimping out and ruining the character/fantasy for them.

>>105766821 (OP)
Male vtuber = gay.
Male vtubers' audience are women. If they are failing then blame women. But women can easily get plenty of attention on their own, so they don't really need vtubers. Female vtubers are successful because most guys are incels.

>>105787777
You know, I sometimes theory craft if there's a market for aura-farming with a stereotypical male minor anime villain model. Eg; sexpest gangster #3 or ugly bastard noble. Take the narrative of "all male vtubers are sexpests" and dial it to 11 for laughs.

>>105766821 (OP)
Just turn off the live2D and turn on the webcam bro. We do not care what you look like if your funny/entertaining

>>105776087
So that mean there are more men than women in the world rn?

>>105766959
>>105767047
>>105767116
The actual reason is that the BELIEF these posts are true is the reason there's a vtuber market at all. A big chunk of the audience are just men who think they hold no worth to women or greater society

>>105801046
I think there is some value in a 2d model. It's just that trying to pretty yourself up like a girl would is just not it. If there was some sort of long running LARP you wanted to base an entire channel on, I think a vtuber model would help with that. It's kind of hard to imagine though, because there's never a more iconic duo than /freak/ vtuber models and streamers utterly devoid of personality or coherent content direction.

>>105801046
Or even just go no cam, no png. Anything is better than being a fucking male vtuber, it instantly repulses people.

>>105766821 (OP)
>>105766959
>>105767047
The market for a "male vtuber" is fundamentally larger than it appears, but it's not looking for "Gura but male" or "gfe chuuba, but man", it's looking for "Pewdiepie, but 2d". If you can be not an insufferable faggot or an actual queer, the world is yours to inherit.

>>105802001
But pewdiepie is an insufferable faggot?

>>105802657
He invented that particular brand of insufferability so he gets a pass. You can substitute his name for any gamerman you don't hate if you'd like. The point remains that a man will inevitably stand at the top of vtubing sooner or later.

>>105766821 (OP)
>Kronii plays 'Watch Paint Dry Simulator #4572'
>3000 simps and 5000 bots turn up to goon over how hot it is when she slurps water
I'd like to see a male vtuber pull that off.
Having a pussy in a business full of incels is basically an infinite money cheat.

>>105802754
They'll have to dethrone cookie first. She's actually an excellent example of vtubing done well ironically enough. She has a clear content direction that everything on her channel revolves around; model, name, tone of voice, all her content ideas. Obviously don't be a pedo faggot and copy her direction itself, but she's a good example of a female vtuber who makes actual content rather than relying on parasocial connections and merely using filler slop content as a medium for "connection".
I do accept your point on pewdiepie, thinking about it. You can't copy him because it would make you an insufferable faggot, but he did do the same thing of inventing a fresh new content persona that was novel back whenever the fuck that ancient oldfag started.

men fantasize about being with the vtuber irl, and they are ok with settling for a girl failure who 'needs' them, she doesn't need to be attractive or have anything going for her. women who watch male vtubers know they are losers irl who they would never interact with so there's no appeal.

>>105793527
THIS, somehow male indie vtubers who can pick any model do the "kayfabe is cringe so my kayfabe is just me" and expect people to accept them for who they are when theyre dime a dozen and failed to make it in the fleshtubing sphere but think theater kids and roleplay is cringe

the theater kids who enjoy roleplay then get disillusioned when people just want to fuck their character rather than for their acting ability. but this eventually applies to most female vtubers and what they believe are their content too

>>105803147
Conversely, Dunkey at some point wasn't an insufferable faggot, Sseth isn't too bad, but if you copied their bit (whatever you interpret that to be) too hard, you'd be an insufferable faggot by virtue of instant inauthenticity (but what is authentic about them anyways?)
tl;dr just bee urslef

>>105776087
>>105776298
Y'all do know that the loneliness epidemic is mostly a description of how nobody has any close personal friends anymore, right? All of this talk about romantic relationships is completely besides the point of what those studies are referring to.

>>105803271
I think being yourself is the wrong takeaway from this. That's how you make fotm middling skill gaming slop content. I don't think any of these great streamers are "themselves". Rather they all produced a larger than life version of themselves they knew they could keep up indefinitely because it appeals to their sensibilities.
It's more like they were themselves when designing what they think is the absolute coolest content OC, then they stopped being themselves to go larp as that OC they think is mega cool and aura farms constantly.

>>105793527
>>105803257
I fucking hate myself because I live like 60% of my waking life pretending to be kumagawa or otherwise thinking about and acting out fiction I'm a sad lonely faggot here's some embarrasing information about me DON'T BULLY ME WITH IT (NO I'M NOT ASKING) but I can't bear to put on any sort of character once the camera is rolling, maybe it's just because I have literally 0 viewers except bots. I've even come up with fucking lore why am I like this

I don't watch male vtubers because I'm not gay or a woman

>>105792183
honestly surprised nobody's tried this in a post-fuwamoco world, it'd definitely work in a less idol culture adherent company.

>>105792183
this needs to happen asap
bonus if they look and act like the watamote siblings (and have incestuous undertones)

>>105804059
I think this would be tough to do with actual siblings...

>>105766821 (OP)
You know, I actually don't mind the 'incels being financially bled dry by sociopathic whores' thing in a vaccum. 'A fool and his money are soon parted' and that. But it does kind of annoy me that the Algorithm will recommend 'Whore """Just Chatting""" Because I Couldn't Be Fucked To Actually Think of Real Content Give Free Money Now Bitch' streams over male vtubers who making an earnest effort to make something engauging.

>>105803416
good take, i hadnt considered this before desu

>>105767047
there are lots of lonely otaku men who want the company of a cute anime girl streamer
there aren't that many lonely women, they can find a date or friends easily and they're just more social creatures overall so they spend time outside instead of needing streamers to fulfill their social needs. and most of the few girls who are lonely otaku prefer watching cute anime girls over the boys because that's just how the hobby is

>>105772222
>Lastly women want the top guy
I think women are whores and willing to follow multiple dudes...

>>105773221
that's the most funniest analogy I've seen in a while

>>105804059
I don't think you need to manufacture incestuous undertones. The fanbase will do it for you regardless of what efforts you go to in order to prevent it.

>>105776307
instead of bitching about change, be the change you want to be. Holy fuck, this inferiority complex is retarded. Gotta give Nijisanji some credit where they managed to pave the way, even if there was a retarded amount of fujos and chinks...

Even if this retard isn't a vtuber, a fan can help. This is just bitching and not getting what he wants like a fucking baby. Jesus christ, no wonder women hate these boys

>>105803914
The unique people stand out when they do. There's a reason why it's a huge sea of mediocrity out there like any industry

Just quit streaming and get jobs that pay more than streaming,

/fixed

>>105767047
Women don't need to settle for getting attention from some dork with an anime avatar online when they can just go outside and get fucked instead.

>>105807306
You know, as much as people shit on the nijimales, I can't deny luxiem debut week or so was pretty well done before they inevitably devolved into the same old fotm slop streamers that plague vtubing.
For instance Luca's humblebrag stream of getting over it was pretty peak kino. He introduced it as typical "lets try getting over it, hope I'm not too terrible" then it starts and he's got golden pot and he immediately flies into speedrun mode while talking like it's his first time playing it. I think characterisation shown through planned/storyboarded content is worth thousands of pages of vtuber lore.

>>105807734
Most Vtuber lore is shit. They don't create content outside of music nor games outside of Corporate that is shilled by Galaxy Trail.

>>105792098
>Aethelstan is made by nyanners and would be nothing without her
Not fully accurate. He already became successful before dating her because he was getting boosted and raided by Ironmouse a lot.
That said I still don't think he's like a real male vtuber. He's more like a regular male twitch streamer who just happens to use a vtuber avatar. Which honestly is probably the smartest way to actually go about actually being a male "vtuber" like Uwoslab.

>>105767047
Women have developed standards above just being cute or a grunty voice ever since they got burned with that dude corpse husband

>>105807801
>Most Vtuber lore is shit.
A good way to put it. I think it needs a flowchart:
>Is the lore something that can be shown through your regular streams?
>Yes
>>Then show it through your regular streams instead of giving people a wall of text about it
>No
>>Then it's probably worthless to your channel so just write it down if you think it helps you personally, but it's not something you should bother wasting your audience's time with until the answer becomes "yes".

>>105766821 (OP)
The appeal of vtubing is watching cute anime girls live
Men don't fit into that vision and worse they ruin it when they sexpest a girl

I'm going to be honest here: I watch Vtubers because I love women and cute girls, and I get endorphins from interacting with them.
It's also low risk.
I'm short, fat, bald, and over 30. Aside from work, this is the only way for me to see girls be cute.
I also live in a commonwealth country where the average woman is mid and also has a masculine personality.
I don't watch purely for the hobby. I watch because these girls are cute, interesting, feminine, and make me feel good.

ZylpheRenuis was right all along. There is no leg in the running for Male Vtubers (outright just male Vtubers) and instead those that are Male flesh streaming presently opting into Vtubing (Ajeandro Saab and a few others) have shown that is much more profitable. However, these male streamers have other careers such as voice work and movie careers.

If you are to be known, you are to be someone of note and of interest. Likeable personality, one that is humble and kind but not annoyingly so. Funny can help as well provided you aren't a sex pest about it.

>>105807861
I'm pretty sure some of his content is irl streams. Nothing wrong with it if it works but yeah he isn't a true vtuber in that case.

>>105808156
I think for a male vtuber to succeed as just a vtuber they need to try to somehow reach the same audience that watches popular male flesh streamers, not the current existing English vtuber fanbase.
The EN male vtuber audience (that isn't just fujos) can exist in theory but no one has managed to create it yet.

>>105766821 (OP)
Like it or not, vtubing directly competes with flesh streamers. I can confidently bet that a lot of weebs (ironic or not) still watch flesh streamers.
Female vtubers have an easier time attracting an audience, mainly because there aren't many good female flesh streamers out there. Meanwhile, male vtubers have to compete with much more experienced male flesh streamers, who are generally more entertaining than the average male vtuber.
This is one of the few reasons why Japanese male vtubers perform better than male vtuber in the West. When streaming became popular for vtubers, there weren't many good male streamers in Japan.

>>105808240
Tell me that doesn't involve Drama bait shit like Nutaku/FalseEyeD

>>105808240
Hilariously I think that nuxtaku faggot was the closest to pulling it off before he imploded his channel with a gigayab and was sent to eternal purgatory. forced to be a right-wing react slop grifter

>>105808338
Nux somehow might have been the closest to doing it until he imploded his reputation with constant drama lol

Back in 2021/2022 numerious of Vtubers in the Male scene that were being *fake helpful* reaching out to other streamers. ZylpheRenuis was one of them. A few other male streamers too that were pretending to be good turn out to be shit as they slowly begin to show favoritism regardless of their *Everyone belonds and deserves success in streaming" Motto they so preached. Its all bullshit in the end. They got embroiled in controversy and killed any and all semblance of growth. Doesn't help one of them is mute. No commentary means no interaction with chat and that's a death knell for any and all streamers looking to make streaming a career.

You know, thinking about it. Streamers like DisguisedToast or Excelblem who started streaming with just facecam and a shitty mask are basically budget "vtuber models" and are pretty good examples of "vtuber" success.

>>105808547
A few streamers are even successful without even facecamming like lirik
Being a male vtuber is a debuff but it isn't impossible to make it work

>>105777281
The problem with posts like that is that all the top flesh streamers are male.

Male vtubers have the same problem that A LOT of indies have. They think that vtubing is just streaming with an anime avatar.
They need to understand that there is a huge idol influence in this stuff.

Are there male idols? yeah, but female ones are massively bigger than them. And it's not just because men like idols more than women. It's because idols tend to portray larger than life characters, it's because the grind and the struggle appeal to women who see themselves but exaggerated.

And since vtubing is almost a way for normal people to see the life of their idols, to see them play minecraft or whatever, it's hard for a male one.

THAT SAID, >>105779183 is right. Being a gamer is fine if you want to stream the same game over and over and you are good at it. This is how a lot of male streamer started, they were carried by one game and then expanded once they built a fanbase.
But it doesn't work with vtubing. The fact that men are awful at designing themselves fictionally makes this even worse.

Like, look at this picture. Women look at this and think yeah she's literally me. Men look at this and think they are cute.
Do we have to look at male design male main characters from romance anime, or you recognize the difference?

>>105808908
source for picrel?

>>105808908
>But it doesn't work with vtubing.
I think this isn't true. It's just a case of "why bother?" Vtuber models cost money, and you can clearly achieve success like this without one, so why make the investment? Maybe if you made a model that is thematically related to the game or the content you wish to produce around that game? Seems like you could run into copyright issues there, and perhaps more importantly the time required to prouce it might make you miss the brief timing window to push that game.

>>105784288
I watch FSP exclusively because they rarely collab with female grifters.

>>105803067
>Ctrl+F Zentreya
>0 results
Voice changers exist, you know.

>>105808646
Yes, and they are even more successful than the best female vtuber. Why need an anime avatar when those dudes made it without one?

>>105802657
He was good back then

>>105766821 (OP)
Stopped reading at "on X"

>>105809700
All the most successful female vtubers were also competent content creators and not even streamers before adopting the avatar.

>>105810196
>competent content creators
See? This is the decisive factor

>>105766821 (OP)

Dudes will accept that their oshi is some unimaginable eldritch horror hiding behind a cute anime girl avatar and will even consider them "wife material" despite how obese, haggard, toothless, and disgusting the IRL girl is, but when it comes to male VTubers there's no mystery of what's lurking behind the anime avatar. Every fat unemployed retard who looks in the mirror every once in awhile knows what's on the other side of that, and so does every chick who has seen the crowd at an anime convention.

Simply put, male VTubers can't get over the presumption that they're ugly neckbeards, while female VTubers are accepted by simps even when the girl behind the avatar looks like something off the cover of Goosebumps.

>>105807306
>>105807734
Luxiem isn't a good model for male vtubers to follow.
>Dependent on capricious Chinese/SEA female fanbase
>"Sus" (let's be real, botted) numbers blowing up their "pretty popular" real status to "actual competitors to Gura", which they weren't in reality, and could never live up to
>Doomed to be destroyed whenever they yabbed and offended their culturally alien female fans, which they did
>Desperately unhappy because they had to be pornography for Chinese women instead of what they wanted to be, which is TF2 and Runescape streamers and movie directors
>The entire branch co-ed setup only aggravated and caused problems, never really solved them. Nobody really wanted it, the female fans just tolerated it and the male fans fucked off leaving the female Nijis dependent on Luxiem and tied to their fate
It was a disaster

>>105810765
>>Dependent on capricious Chinese/SEA female fanbase
If you cut these out, what kind of market is left for male vtubers?
>>Desperately unhappy because they had to be pornography for Chinese women
Isnt this the same for female vtubers

>>105810935
>Isnt this the same for female vtubers
No, not necessarily. Not Holos anyway, some indies do it. No Holos are actually explicitly pornographic; some do soft-GFE if they want, and some are just streamers who don't interact with men to preserve a CGDCT atmosphere.
Nobody is doing what Vox was doing, which was literal blowjob rape ASMR scenarios where Chinese women were spamming GLUCK GLUCK GLUCK MILORD in his chat. That sort of thing was clearly soul-destroying for Luxiem.
>Why the Holo comparison?
Well if we're talking corporate, it was Holo or Niji. the indie field is the wild west and you have seiso streamer girls all the way to porn girls.

>>105810935
>If you cut these out, what kind of market is left for male vtubers?
The same market male flesh streamers have. You know, the majority of the market. Honestly the thing that shits me the most about beggars is that they aren't even begging the right people to expand their viewerbase. At least some of the twitch trannies knew to beg their way into sodapoppin's WoW guild instead of random vtuber girls.
Unfortunately none of them had a lick of talent when it comes to content creation so they all fumbled the bag and some random no-cam league creator was the only one to uberboost their career off that shit.

>>105808116
I am tall, fit, with rich flowing hair, and over 30 and I also watch vtubers because I live in a commonwealth country where the average women are repulsive.
Don't be ashamed brother

>>105767047
ironically, attracting fujos is biggest mistake you can ever commit as a male vtuber. being the Brotuber is the right path if you wanna become a successful male vtuber. unfortunately no one has figured it out, even Cover.

just take the babipill

>>105809095
Just a bunch of heroines from otoge. Utapri, Amnesia, brothers conflict, storia dell'arcana famiglia, vampire lovers are the ones I know.

Here is all of them https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=1963985&tags=amnesia_%28idea_factory%29++arcana_famiglia+

>>105803337
sure but people use streams are a substitute for having IRL friends or hanging out with friends on discord or whatever.

>>105811130
Again, there is no reason to think that the market for male vtubers is the same as the market for male streamers.

>>105812063
What mystical barrier is there preventing male vtubers from tapping that market? Anime related shit has ceased being "cringe" by the mainstream for at least a decade now. Is it just that male flesh streamers are genuinely talented and difficult to compete with when you're a fotm slop spamming personality void? That's a pretty insurmountable barrier for most male vtubers, but it sounds like it shouldn't be a barrier for someone with actual content to offer.

>>105774244
I find it hard to do that while having an avatar at all
the effort needed to have a facecam/avatar makes it harder to do
if you need to do an avatar just be a babiniku

>>105812309
Anime didn't stop being cringe, that's the barrier.
We have popular shounen like demon slayer now, but we always had them, like a decade ago there was AoT.

And all those numbers about manga outselling comics? those are because of women, and it's because the north american comic market hasn't pandered to women since the 70s so when manga came in with 1. male character designed to appeal to women 2. stories written to appeal to women it took over and untapped market.

>>105812335
alongside this, they'd have to lose the idol system completely
shitty handmade schedules and no scheduled things like zatsudan, etc

>>105812309
How many guys actually watch anime for the male MC?

>>105812388
Given the stats on Shounens, apparently more than whatever cgdct you've been watching.

>>105812402
Maybe male vtubers can start with acting like shounen protagonists if they want to cater to that crowd

>>105812431
True! There's a hell of a lot of things male vtubers could do to cater to literally anyone instead of catering to nobody and crying about nobody watching them.

>>105812402
They don't care about the characters but what they actually do.

>>105812615
Sounds like male vtubers could learn something there.

>>105766821 (OP)
>WNBA complains their pay is lower than NBA
>surprise surprise no one wants to watch it
Vtuber viewers are mostly men not interested in watching male vtubers. Why is this such a mystery?

>>105811358
Thanks anon.
You could get a gf so easily tho...

>>105803488
>kumagawa
Dude, stop being some self-deprecating emo.

You have to learn how "people" generally DO NOT CARE about other people if they do not have a paratical/actual reason to.
You crave for attention (and this is something already mostly pointless) but you have nothing to give for it.

Male vtubers have it WAY HARDER than female, a girl can just be cute and do the "cute anime girl do cute thing". (hell, your kumagawa idiot will work for a cute girl)
But male LARGER THAN LIFE characters are action oriented, you are supposed to be GOKU, but you can't roleplay a fucking goku if your content are videogames and talking.
Even comedy roles like gintama need a complex enviroment around them to work.
The easiest and best male vtuber character you can do is be a gay seducer hot vampire avatar for the fujo, but that's very niche.

Male vtuber is just not a thing due to current streaming tech.

>>105814154
I think you can do it with just "videogames and talking" but everyone has it backwards.
The cgdct meta of blind playthroughs of shit only works if people are already invested in you as a person/character, and they want to see this person/character they like do a thing and probably fail at it. This only works for female vtubers because they can hook men on model alone for at least 10 minutes, or for buff games that have cults of sad viewers who desperately want to relive their favourite moments from that game for the first time over and over by watching literally anyone play it. This latter category has zero loyalty; unless you've got an insanely good plan to hook them permanently to your channel using a particular game, don't bother.
A content first rather than character first channel should be playing games they know really well, and using that knowledge to create something unique with that knowledge. Doesn't matter if you're larping as a newb or an expert. I strongly recommend being a disingenuous faggot who promotes ludicrously bad strategies as the optimal playstyle and makes it work anyway. Channels that do this are generally entertaining and it's less saturated than honest experts.

>>105814349
A male can't really do "videogame and talking" as a vtuber better than the normal videogame streamers.
You need to do and be something no one else is.

Korone is korone, you can't find someone else like her.
What's the male version of that?

>>105815088
>What's the male version of that?
Closest thing I can think of is Jeff McBiceps, but that's more of a meme than someone people actually watch.
>A male can't really do "videogame and talking" as a vtuber better than the normal videogame streamers.
I think if you designed your avatar around the content you intend to create you may have an advantage over flesh or nocam streamers. I dunno, my experience is with D&D character design not entertainer avatar design, but typically you'd work backwards and base the appearance and personality around what role you want a character to perform. I think the same thing would work here. Work out what you want the male vtuber to actually do first, perhaps have a theme, then work backwards and produce an avatar that looks exactly like the sort of person that would do that thing that is your content.

>>105816143
More than theme and presentation and lore, is about the actual content.
HolostarEN are supposed to be some fantasy adventurers party, but they do nothing like it, and no doing some D&D tabletop do not count.

Is the LARGER THAN LIFE missing.

My idea of a perfect real big male vtuber is some wannabe fit martial artist actor, in a full body tracking VR suit, doing acrobatic fights and adventures in some complex AI generated anime world.
Someone doing a GOKU BUT REAL, we do not have the tech but this is the real bar for a true mainstream male vtuber.

>>105816563
If you dont want to pander to fujos, just be a conspiracy theorist nutjob. It sounds easier than auditioning for the next season of Sasuke

>>105816563
>More than theme and presentation and lore, is about the actual content.
I absolutely agree. This is why your dream approach of starting with the theme and lore and trying to implement it is a fools errand. You'll run into tech barriers and all sorts of shit nonstop. You should start with a genre of entertaining content then determine what the theme, presentation and lore should be that would best support it.
Quick example, lets say your content is making quick and dirty meme mods for video games and then streaming them until they crash or get stale. It's a decent niche and it'd work even as a nocam. However what if you slapped some hackerman inspired anime avatar on it? Throw around some kino bullshit hacker jargon and an "I'm in" whenever you start the hacked game and you've got a real advantage over the nocams on this niche.

>>105815088
>Korone is korone, you can't find someone else like her.
Korone is a cute hag who no lifes vidya while making cute noises and some light dog kayfabe and yuri baiting; she's great, but I have no idea what's so unique

>>105766821 (OP)
Fear not, courageous allies like Dokibird and ERB are fighting to change the culture.

If they were good entertainers, they would be fleshtubers. You don't even need to be handsome, ogre-looking retards like imaqtpie and moonmoon are successful despite their looks. You just need to be good at a game and then transition to variety streams

>>105767047
The vtuber fan market is at least 90% guys so in general female vtubers will get much higher viewer numbers than male vtubers. Luxiem has shown there is money that can be made from fujos but the Nijisanji business model was already marketed as general entertainers. Yagoo wants more unity for Holostars but Hololive is built on CGDCT content and idol concerts. Casual fans won't spend thousands of dollars on merch and digital goods in HoloEarth. Holostars could take more of the vtuber market if Cover gave up on unicorns but that would require a radical business transformation.

>>105817899
Dude, find me some real face korone streamer.
That's the point, you can find a million real face kuzuha doing the exact thing and better, but not the girls, they are just a different "product" compared to normal streamers.

>>105817899
You cant find that in EN at least. They dont come off as a character and sound like fleshstreamers with an avatar and who do things for the numbers than have interest in games

>>105772222
How is being dorky and nerdy creepy?

>>105818212
In fairness, some of them are good entertainers who are also sex pests trying to hide behind being anonymous...

>>105819567
Same reason the phrase "Nice Guy" became a pejorative: it's how people too insecure and unattractive to at least be a ridiculous "Alpha" archetype act when they're trying to manipulate someone into having sex with them.

The legit nerds feel zero need to look like a hot anime guy, at least, so 'hot anime nerd guy' is a red flag.

>>105772222
Sometimes you guys say stuff just to feel better about yourself

>>105818212
Pretty much this, I'm sure some of them are fine but most people already have a decently sized amount of fleshies they'd rather watch instead.

>>105815088
>You need to do and be something no one else is.
Everyone does more or less the same, how they do it is somewhat different but the difference is mostly their personality.

this shit is as stupid as wnba players complaining they aren't paid as much as nba players. people don't want to watch you, shut the fuck up.

>>105819209
>You cant find that in EN at least.
biboo
retard