Thread 1542041

I was wondering about how hackers learn their skills.
It's like, do they pass academy/bootcamp??

I mean, i guess that they join forums/webs (not things like Discord or Reddit cause those webs are so popular maybe?) and then, learn from eachother??

how the fuck do they learn wtf

>>1542041 (OP)
Curiousity and knowledge creates a Moment when
>what would happen if i...
Aint no hacker, but i guess thats the oldschool driving factor
There are sites Like hackinthebox or something

>>1542044
>hackinthebox
And tryhackme

>>1542041 (OP)
I guess it depends on whether you want to discover new hacks or use existing ones. If you want to discover new ones then you need to have good CS fundamentals.
For example discovering that you can do a buffer overflow attack comes from an appreciation that the return address and local variables are stored together in callstack.
I guess there's also sql injection and stealing cookies.

Command line is probably helpful. I suggest to learn the basics of operating system and networking.

>>1542041 (OP)
Learn what exactly ...?
How to use scripts and exploits they paid for?
The real wizards learn computing at it's core, not "how 2 be a haxor"

Take the Comptia Security+ course online from Professor Messer.

>>1542162
neat point

>>1542177
oc, but i mean real hackers that know exactly what they're doing.
like, they spent a lot of time searching for a exploitable hole on machines and then proceed with scripts and that shit.

>>1542209
I'm not sure that hackers just spent over $350 and there ya go

>>1542041 (OP)
Stuff was so much easier in like 2005, most everything is buttoned up now unless it's something still using the default password.
I used to screw around on wordpress sites and then show the admin how to patch it up, the default settings are awful.

>>1542213
Not sure exactly what you're looking for.
You should either study security courses etc, go on forums and see what people are up to, or learn some specific niche like decompiling or networking or social engineering or some shit.
There's no magic pill for you

>>1542041 (OP)
Properly speaking and walking away from movie tropes what you want to learn is cyber security.
A hacker is a person who break cyber security and to break it you must know how i works on the first place.
So go look for a cybersecurity course or book.

*tap* *tap* *tap*
I'M IN

start with picoctf and watch some talks on youtube to see what the hacker life is about

>>1542041 (OP)

Quoting Cambridge's Dictionary:

>someone who gets into other people's computer systems without permission in order to find out information or to do something illegal

This is pretty lousy but sums it up, a hacker is no skid nor doxxer or ddoser, a hacker mostly focuses more so on data retrieving and backdooring, this knowledge can either be taught by other people (say, person1 has friend1 and friend1 knows how to do such things and teaches person1 it) or like >>1542296 cyber security exploiters, every virus is backed by a proper hacker who at least half-knows what they're doing.

And Discord is huge in the whole hacking shit, there's tons of private servers where people teach others this or share viruses themselves, just think of a group of them operating in discord, very common although ones that indulge a lot in this tend ot use Telegram for safety reasons.

>>1542041 (OP)
I think hackers just like to code alot of stuff they found interesting

>>1542041 (OP)
overthewires wargames

>>1542041 (OP)
We learn from playing with computers since we were 7 years old.

Your perspective of how people learn seems off. You think in terms of forums and discords and learning from authority or word of mouth. What you may lack is the adventurous spirit of exploration that drives you to take a piece of technology and willingly break it apart to see how it works. Not trying to be mean at all but this is a HUGE generational culture gap, many many young people seem very much afraid of exploration as a general concept. If you're trying to break free of that and dip your toe in something new, I applaud you.

Let me give you an example that may seem tiresome but bear with me. You may disregard the next few longposts if you wish, I simply want to explain what you're missing.

>>1544342
"Exploration" is the basic psychological concept here. Most young people these days do not like to play games that require exploration, abstract thinking, or any sort of experimentation or unknowns at all. They despise games that don't give them explicit quest markers telling them which destination to go to next and how to get there. They can't tolerate games that require them to backtrack or reply content on death or look for items or scenarios that aren't clearly marked or use them in specific singular ways. They loathe games that allow them to miss picking up some items and not getting a "Perfect 100%" score on game clear. Their entire outlook is wrong. They focus only on this ending- they don't care about the game, they don't care about the FEELING the game is offering them. They form no emotional attachments to game. They do not reflect back on the experience and think "I'm glad I had that adventure". The rote, concrete, numeric "100%" score at the end is the only thing that matters. They clear games more out of a sense of resentment and showing that they can "master" what their elders grew up with than actually taking time to enjoy the experience. This is why people so often use the word "Soulless" to describe them. The now-older generations (X, with Millennials being a gradient between then and now) LOVED exploration. We loved playing games where the goal was unclear. We loved stupidly butting our heads against obtuse challenges and pressing every button *just to see what happened*. We loved starting anew or loading a save from a brutal punishing adventure game to try fun new sentence combinations to try and make something different happen.

If you want a hallmark of games that our generation loved but are considered intolerable now, look at Castlevania II: Simon's Quest. The Youtube generation HATES this game, and loves to dogpile on it and scream endlessly about it just to hear the sound of their own voice over how obtuse it is and difficult to find items or solve puzzles. They can't see past their own feelings of "victimization" that they were "tricked" into playing a "hard" game. They don't play games for fun, only completion, and feel someone owes them for their pain. Whereas we played it for ages as kids and LOVED trying to come up with ideas to solve the puzzles and discussing them with the other kids at school. It was a long-term experience for us. We craved that sort of adventure. And every once in a while someone might find a tip from a gaming magazine that catapulted us ahead, and it was a joy. Economic resentment has creeped into modern youth and they can't look past this as some sort of cynical capitalist "trick" to force people to buy hintbooks. It's a deeply, deeply sad bitter take on art and culture. We loved books too, and we bought them not because we were "forced" to but because we loved to go over the pages again and again for the joy of reliving the experience this way.

Why am I talking about all this? Am I just trying to dump hate on GenZ? No, it is because I want them to know that that very same sense of exploration and adventure, not fearing the unknown, is what drives the hacker to learn what he knows. He WANTS to know how computers work, how networks work, where the bytes are going. He wants to know what happens if he changes a 1 to a 0 for no reason. He wants to know what's in that folder that says "No Access". He wants to go off grid from acceptable content areas his smartphone offers and blaze his own trail through the wild, poking and prodding everything he sees along the way. The hacker doesn't stop to ask "teach me everything I need". He has already moved past the people in class, learning by shoving his hands in the innards of code and feeling around himself.

Never, ever be afraid of the unknown. DESIRE to learn it, to master it. Working with others can certainly help. You can learn a lot from the more experienced, and trading tricks and ideas. But you must share those same desires to do whatever it takes. Pick up programming languages for the sake of learning it, not because it's the most profitable one in the IT industry. Try every piece of software available for a task, not because only one is "the best" according to tribalists on /g/, but because you want to explore every aspect of a problem. Look at data files, find how things are structured. Play with OLD computers, VERY easy to muck around with, so you can get a good sense of fundamentals. Admittedly somet hings are more difficult now in the era of massive encryption-- but not impossible. Where there is a will, there is a way. Get that will. Light a fire inside yourself and do not let the accepted means and avenues of safe internet conduct inhibit you on your journey wherever you wish to go.

>>1544345
I agree with the majority of the speech.
About the games is true that the companies made their games easier than before, indeed why, the consumer get used to that product, and is not easy to get back when the games were simpler. This conversation could be extended on different post.
About the will, I think a newbie maybe get frustrated with the volume of information that he can find and not understand (yet). It's for this that I'm talking about guidances where find a good starting point. You can find a lot of people on each language talking about cybersecurity, ethical hacking, training hacking skills... but everyone is different. And oc they cannot (theoretically) teach illegal hacking (I guess). But there must be perhaps anything like a guide. or maybe the best way is just to investigate by yourself, like you say.

These last few posts reminded me of just discovering task manager back in the day and killing Explorer.exe to see what happens, thought i broke the whole pc got panick and started sweating cause my parents would've killed me, just to restart and see everythings working fine again
Few weeks later i found a way how to restart explorer, but that was a hell of an adventure

>>1544422
yeah, tha happend to me to xd

>>1544422
>>1544454
Lol thirded, I was xing out svchost.exe because there was so many of them and suddenly my mouse stopped working.

>>1542041 (OP)
the 'hacker' ethos is all about experimentation and improvisation although learning theory can help. a lot of hackers are really just computer security professionals roleplaying. most of the famous hacker groups (called APTs) these days are state actors, i think the days of individual hackers doing big things may be over. it also depends on what you specialize in. some people like ripping chips out of a device and dumping the firmware to analyze it for vulns or any useful info. others like banner grabbing to find exposed services with known bugs and then going ham with metasploit or other frameworks. and others like to find more abstract ways of doing arbitrary computation by abusing weird machines, return-oriented programming etc.

i think this site is pretty good for learning basic assembly exploitation on an embedded platform
https://microcorruption.com/

>>1542041 (OP)
they go to reddit and alt-f4 when no one is looking you should try it you'll become 1337. If you look on youtube tutorials for kali linux, you'll find Indians so I guess if you want to become a hacker you'll have to go to india and eat curry everyday.
>>>/g/
>hacker
i wont link the video because im lazier but it was called:'nikola tesla the greatest analog hacker' with eric dollard (electrical engineers) so someone that programs and can mingle with hardware and technology in general
>>1544364
are you an oldfag?

>>1544854
>are you an oldfag?
>>1544345
wrong one, i think it was this one
are you an oldfag?

>>1544345
Your posts genuinely made me very emotional, anon. I was born in 2002 and it feels like there was a point where my explorative self slowly dulled over the years. My dad worked with computers so I messed around with all kinds of technology as a kid. I visited niche websites, forums, and played so many obscure games including on jailbroken consoles my dad would give me while all my classmates played nothing but FIFA and COD. As I grew up I cared less about figuring things out myself and started to doubt the way I think about doing anything until someone else says it's the right way to do it and that's when I can believe in it. Like I needed everything that I do to be validated and that I have to know how to do something the "right way" before ever starting. Being experimental wasn't in me anymore. Maybe I became afraid of being too different. You reminded me of how it felt to be so curious about things and why it's one of the reasons life felt so much brighter, so I'm gonna try to reignite my flame once again.

>>1545056
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7IJHoxcNr8

lainchan dot org also, /g/

serial experiments lain

>>1542041 (OP)
In my study books I learnt that "hackers" are individuals who mean no harm and do not expect financial gain, however I see today the definition is updated I guess.
OP you should look into the story of Gary McKinnon he was a hero of sorts to me - it seems like he just learnt about computers for a couple of years in his bedroom and then rdp'd into the US government's computer to find out what they know about aliens.

>>1542041 (OP) Does anyone know anyone with connections at Meta who can help get a hacked Instagram account back? The hacker wiped all the pics and followers, and changed the email address and phone number so you cannot get it back via the app/website and need an insider willing to help. I want the username back

>>1546694
all that data is still on the facebook server. my guess is you already tried the send_id_to_prove_this_is_you method?

>>1542044
Isn't this how the Slow Loris DDOS was discovered? Someone thinking "what if I never send the end of my request, can I just keep the server waiting for me?"