Previous threads:
>>40375472
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40294514
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40259436/

in the last thread:
>the box killed the ball
in this thread:
>the ball is still dead

>>40460212 (OP)
Those of you itt who don’t understand just how easy it is for corrupt governments and powerful institutions/entities to propagandize entire societies should watch this immediately:
>Meet Edward Bernays, Master of Propaganda:
https://www.corbettreport.com/meet-edward-bernays-master-of-propaganda/

…And thats just the tip of the ice(((berg))). If you approach the rabbithole with a mentality of genuine interest in learning the truth about this reality and your place in it, (you) will inevitably arrive at the topic of flat earth.

Protip: every single answer to literally any and all flat earth related questions you may have can be found in this pastebin:
https://pastebin.com/jk2hAdmh

You can also use the 4plebs search function to find FE posts made in the past
https://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/text/Flat%20earth/

for those itt who are unaware:
space is fake and gay, the magical spinning cartoon ball earth is fake and gay. we literally live in God's snow globe and every decision (you) make has immense meaning and significance. change your ways and start living correctly. dont fall for the nihilism meme and dont fall for any of the religion memes. you can look at life as either a test or a game but whatever you do, dont look at it as meaningless. BE A GOOD PERSON AND LIVE BY THE GOLDEN RULE ALWAYS! also stop jerking off you pathetic littel squirtboys; your life will drastically improve when abstaining from degeneracy.

>>40460212 (OP)
>>40460221
The world is owned and controlled by a small handful of literal satanists, eugenicists and psychopaths. They want to bring suffering, misery and death upon humanity. Above all else they want your soul. They will do anything and everything in their power to convince (you) to become materialistic and nihilistic so that you become easy to control and manipulate (thats the primary objective of the heliocentric model). If youre convinced there is no metaphysical nature to reality, it is easier for them to convince you to sin and commit atrocities for them. For lurkers itt who are unaware of this fact and new to learning about how this world actually works start here:

THE ELITE, ROYAL BLOODLINES, BILL GATES & THE EUGENICS IDEOLOGY:
https://www.corbettreport.com/bigoil
https://www.corbettreport.com/who-is-bill-gates-full-documentary-2020/

THE FEDERAL RESERVE:
https://corbettreport.com/federalreserve

CONSPIRACIES RESOURCES:
https://www.corbettreport.com/bestof/
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/70qvx7/updated_list_of_proven_conspiracies_and_hidden/
https://unlimitedhangout.com
https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com
https://www.crrow777radio.com
https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/tkelly6785757

SHADOWBANNED FLAT EARTH VIDS/RESOURCES:
https://pastebin.com/jk2hAdmh

NukeHOAX:
https://vimeo.com/331671526

Germs/viruses:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/joZF7GsUmbfd/

HIV/AIDS:
https://youtu.be/8BXxXcIYY_Q

CovidHOAX:
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/448646795/#448671181

EVOLUTION:
https://youtu.be/rXexaVsvhCM
https://youtu.be/DtCIp9sgiE0
https://youtu.be/xDvKD_z3OeQ
https://youtu.be/vdSjyvIHVLw
https://youtu.be/cCk-b9GaY5k

SANDY HOOK:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/iazwAxgBtexC/

Looking to perform your own tests/experiments to confirm or falsify the mainstream claims? (you) can start here:
>>40435656
>>40435684

In the previous episode of Scientism Denial, the Parabox slayed yet another poor /sci/fag victim:
>>40376087
>>40376099
>>40376105
>>40376139
>>40448631

>>40460212 (OP)

>>40460212 (OP)
This subject is a good one but the approach always falls on its face.
>Muh wicked social engineers
>Muh flat earth
Scientism is about math, empiricism, ontology, and mythology.

>>40460212 (OP)

>>40460212 (OP)

>>40461479

LMAO fuck science

>>40461479

>>40462017
Throw away your phone

>>No.40457544
>>No.40457639
>>No.40457807
Chat, is the flat earth map real?

>>40460212 (OP)
This image always cracks me up, like special relativity has been a thing for a hundred years yet people refuse to learn. If you drop an object in a moving car it doesn't fly backwards, it falls to the floor of the car like if it wasn't moving. Same principle.

>>40463134
What happens if you drop a ball on something that is rotating at a constant speed?? Hrmmm???

>>40463134
>special relativity has been a thing for a hundred years
Relativity states that you can never detect earth’s motions bc every time you go to measure it, time and space are bending and warping to trick you into thinking earth is stationary and at the center of the universe. Thats literally a steel man of the current model of gravity lol

>Open pastebin:
https://pastebin.com/jk2hAdmh
>ctrl+f: “gravity”
>ctrl+f: “DARK MATTER”
>see section titled:
“EINSTEIN’S RELATIVITY / GRAVITY DEBUNKED”
>see section titled: “EARTH’S MOTIONS HAVE NEVER BEEN DETECTED”
>see section titled: ”DARK MATTER & DARK ENERGY”
>see section titled: ”THE BIG BANG / CMB / COSMIC MICROWAVE BACKGROUND RADIATION”
>see section titled: ”MORE ON GRAVITY”
>proceed to educate yourself

There’s also this issue:
https://old.bitchute.com/video/2oqymRsyzdPO/
>Sun’s gravity is strong enough to keep all planets including Pluto in orbit and comets on an exactly repeating cycles..
>..yet it’s too weak to even tug at the moon a little bit to pull it out of earth’s perfectly cyclical orbit even slightly enough so that it would be at all noticeable after hundreds of years of recorded observation.

Gravity and Heliocentrism are beyond fugn retarded.

>>40460212 (OP)

Seriously… How did the bug get across the fucking ocean? Can penguins even swim that far? Who came up with these fucking names? I refuse to accept that this image isn’t some kind of elaborate joke.

The animals in Antarctica all seem like aliens populated every continent and forgot one
, but were on a compressed timeline for work, so they just last minute randomly generated a bunch of birds that can’t fly and the slowest most delicious meaty fatty animals and a fucking bug, and they were like

>fuck it, they won’t notice.

Stop spamming these threads you stupid motherfucker. Also a reminder that flat earthers went to Antarctica and came back believing in the globe. Fucking retard Dave Weis copes by saying they faked the sun down there LMAO.

>>40460212 (OP)
>every single argument defeated soundly
>comes back the next day as if none of it ever happened
Gee, I'm pretty sure Hitler described people who "argue" like this.

>>40460221
The thing about flat earth is why hasnt there been whistle blowers exposing this, there are hundreds of thousands of people around the world working in astrophysicist, aerospace, missile guidance sytems etc, surely there should have been a death bed confession by now of some notable astrophysicist spilling the beans and saying it's all a lie.

>>40463337
>Gravity and Heliocentrism are beyond fugn retarded.
so what's the alternative? what is going on

>>40465291
>>40432816
>>40432810

>>40464991
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/501293316/#501302975

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/501293316/#501303868

Also,
>open pastebin
https://pastebin.com/jk2hAdmh
>type “ctrl”
>type “TFE”

>>40466195
>>40392146
>>40392148
>>40395107
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40259436/#40292800

Just read thru the threads linked in the OP or check out the pastebin. Here is some good additional advice on how to go about researching this topic:

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/448685600/#448706403

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/32145017/#32178616

>>40461479

>>40468767

>>40468777

>>40464991
>also a reminder that jew Professor Dave staged a video where fake flatties got deboonkerino'd and that means score one for The Science (PBUI)
ftfy

>>40460212 (OP)
It's all just dna

Oh sorry. I mean sciencetards mistake the echos of gods for discernible patterns.

>>40461479

I mean, gravity varies in different places of the earth. Yet the scientist claim to be a constant and those who say otherwise are pseudo-scientist...

This thread was created by a jew.

GIGADENIER here, watch out:

https://youtu.be/m7ZpvLu_tFE
https://youtu.be/0514L2QwOBE
https://youtu.be/lKg-yn86zp4
https://youtu.be/p-BFmn2S_jU
https://youtu.be/BVJgObFHLY4
https://youtu.be/ru5fdfovkGI
https://youtu.be/74KRZt5oJME
https://youtu.be/tdwy-hxS-ts
https://youtu.be/UAx5cl9VpTE
https://youtu.be/JlFnJPFjcc0
https://youtu.be/XetG30_YOeo
https://youtu.be/ziVLbEoQ4Sc
https://youtu.be/7H_1ZbuA9HI
https://youtu.be/UbYtkrTquXE
https://youtu.be/1WHIr-IFqAo
https://youtu.be/WcqKUhU0WDc
https://youtu.be/wPrDg0CtWnk
https://youtu.be/hoGTBdu7dMc
https://youtu.be/mcLwr86emds
https://youtu.be/U_bJYXS9p4A
https://youtu.be/JOqc63Pp9OA
https://odysee.com/@probablyalexandra:6/an-inconvenient-history:b
https://youtu.be/X-w8acuxF6w
https://youtu.be/nGLJ5XJP3uE
https://youtu.be/olbyJDou4qQ
https://youtu.be/0Q18iSz6mus
https://youtu.be/aFFM3YJAs4Q
https://youtu.be/Stft_t48Hxc
https://youtu.be/QWa7lTxhrKI
https://youtu.be/Zc_J2k4Cdp8
https://youtu.be/DdLLamniSyg
https://youtu.be/udjk_FB80kM
https://youtu.be/4nKIN_eHYxw
https://youtu.be/fDBRhxryfZM
https://youtu.be/-rmDj1MJyaY
https://youtu.be/Kv9-JuLRpg0
https://youtu.be/7Eeo-82Eac8
https://youtu.be/0Vv62PFFsNU
https://youtu.be/CDG4oiCx_is
https://youtu.be/wz68Q2Nz05A
https://youtu.be/WffliCP2dU0
https://youtu.be/uUuTAflN1rU
https://youtu.be/lkmY_4PKMlY
https://youtu.be/McdMMmclGVc
https://youtu.be/Cm7fBZq-8T4
https://youtu.be/4SlRsbQ3nfM
https://youtu.be/Z36Ns7KUYHw
https://youtu.be/XhIwZuPGfss
https://youtu.be/CATklVkPEMw
https://youtu.be/eJK1gLHbOxA
https://youtu.be/WXaXnAvEpB8
https://youtu.be/gWnFMWqDRQE
https://youtu.be/EvnrD49RmAY
https://youtu.be/3wU8_jT61eE
https://youtu.be/lMhheDWThxE
https://youtu.be/hG_sv5SWi3Y?t=507
https://youtu.be/UOLLMkAHHQI?t=2477
https://youtu.be/d_h5tupEdn8
https://youtu.be/jDKfJROVHJE
https://youtu.be/maBf0H3UNJI
https://youtu.be/Jm7nBn7RxhU
https://youtu.be/BEV2SAL8z5g
https://youtu.be/Qse5Jc8jgSk
https://youtu.be/zMAa5Ir7IHU

>>40471245
Havent u heard? Negress mathematicians got us to the moon!!!

Can anyone redpill me on Cancer (specifically modern medicine's approach of it/ Big pharma etc.)? If you have any resources talking about it that's be great

>>40473201
Kek

>>40472800
Based gigadenier gravy dump

Jesus christ, look at us, we have to suffer yet another fucking retarded schizopheric pattern of threads of absolute morons. Jesus forgive me for my language and my lowly heart, please let your kingdom come, let your reign come, let your will be done, please o Jesus deliver us from these complete garbage threads

>>40462592
>going to mars
but we've never actually gone to mars. all we've done is land rovers and leave them there. that's much different than landing people and bringing them back again.

>>40475388
>all we've done is land rovers and leave them there.
NPCs literally believe this shit lol

>>40471245

>>40475759
i guess the burden of proof is on you to prove we've done more than that.

>>40475791
I think he's saying we have done /less/ than that. E.g. "Mars rover footage" being from some classified place on earth where they film the stuff...

>>40476785

>>40475775
It’s even worse

>>40473823
Literally LOL

>>40476804
Thats a lot of 6s on the display

By taking some psilocybin mushrooms you can get closer to ‘going to the moon’ than anyone at NASA ever did

>>40473337
Watch picrel for starters. Dr. Burzynski: cancer is serious business pt. 1 and 2

Here’s some good places to look for answers as well:

https://archive.org/details/cancerisnotdisea0000mori/mode/1up

https://books.google.ca/books?id=lijRMzgtN9YC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0

https://archive.org/details/healinggersonway0000gers

https://openlibrary.org/books/OL24222966M/The_value_of_escharotics

https://archive.org/details/virusmaniaavianf0000enge


Also, search crrow777 for eps he’s done regarding cancer:
https://www.crrow777radio.com/free-episodes/?searchfree=Cancer&searchguest=

>>40473337
https://files.catbox.moe/q4agf7.pdf

Search the parasite pill pdf linked above for the word “cancer” and you’ll find a lot of info relevant to your query.

>>40465291
>>40466457

Picrel is a NASA computress that worked on the Apollo missions. Here’s an interview of her stating that it wasn’t even possible to tell the difference between a simulation and “the real thing” bc they were just looking at blips and numbers being fed to them on computer screens:

https://youtu.be/-XCD8TYOylQ

Not that many people would have to be in on the lie. Just a few people at the very top of the power pyramid feeding disinfo and misinfo to those just below them who then proceed to feed it down the chain of command. power structures are incredibly compartmentalized by design. And Most people (like you) just believe the bullshit they’re told to believe and then teach it to other people; they just regurgitate what they’re told bc propaganda is a very effective tool in shaping people’s perceptions of reality.

>>40477108

>>40476804
Anon doesn't understand exponentials

>>40460212 (OP)
hmmm yes now show me an atom and its behavior

Post more about other truths

Like truths about germs and disease
(Being sick is the body healing/detoxing)
Feminism is retarded (it doesnt even promote actual femininity)
Fuck multiculturalism
(Browns make white cultures unsafe and trashy)

>>40477373
Atoms don’t exist. Atomism is almost as retarded as Heliocentrism. Read picrel for a qrd on how the modern church of scientism has managed to pass of pseudoscientific dogma as legit science to the dumbed down and drugged up masses.

>>40477108
Poppy like the poppy field in wizard of oz

>>40464991
>>40465079
>>40472798
>>40475165

/lit/ reporting in

>>40478206
Wtf is a mandate anyways cant we just say no?

Im not vaxed

>>40477525
Is there like a YouTube video that can explain this to me?

>>40465291
ever heard of Project Manhattan?
>why hasnt there been whistle blowers exposing this, there are hundreds of thousands of people around the world working in nuclear weapon

>>40475388
>mars
you mean devon island?

>>40478245
A mandate is really just a glorified suggestion, but when dumb fuck NPCs all in unison act as if it’s law that’s when mandates can become enforced in certain situations, which is why you had incidences of people in the US literally being arrested and jailed for not wearing masks, not participating in social distancing, or generally just refusing to go along with the shared delusional song and dance of the hysterical mindless faggots making up the majority of the population. No new laws were needed for unjust transgressions to be committed openly by the state, just populous consent of blatant unlawful tyranny.

For my part, I refused to wear masks or social distance or abide by the bs curfews. Obviously not vaxed either. Didn’t go along with any of it and from the very jump, day fucking 1 was vocally calling bs on the obvious hoax. I ran into a lot of pushback and it was not easy to stand my ground in many situations, but I did anyways bc it was the right thing to do. I live by my values and I don’t cuck for fear of social ostracism or shaming tactics. Unfortunately, I could count on one hand the number of people I personally knew who acted in a similar manner. Almost every single person around me cucked to the social conditioning in one way or another and, even those who could plainly see it was all based on fraud and propaganda, still apathetically went along with the fiasco helping to reify and perpetuate the fictional narrative being forced down everyone’s throats at the time.

If there was any question about it, Covid1984 revealed the truth about the masses - the vast majority are not actually autonomous in the sense of being capable of independent critical thought and action. Tho many consider it to be just a meme insult, the term “NPC” is actually an incredibly accurate label for the overwhelming majority of people today; 2020 proved it beyond the shadow of any doubt.

retarded thread

>>40468791

>>40477011
I've heard this post as an auditory hallucination before having consciously read it first.

Are you a wizard?

>>40460212 (OP)
>i dont understand it so it must be fake!
you know YOU can literally observe it yourself, no need to "trust the science!"

>>40478278
it's just materialism vs idealism

>>40480072
No i not a wizard, Im a follower of Jesus

I think people forget how young of a practice science and technological advancement is. And with youth comes arrogance. I don't hate science but its definitely ideologically captured to some degree and textbooks will entirely different in a hundred years.
>>40480660
Based

>>40480720
The problem is these bozos got their foot in the door and took over everything by force in the beginning.

Places like NYC are still largely run by mobsters.

The mobsters in the beginning would just kill anyone who tried to expose them or get in their way.

They are much softer these days but they own all the media platforms. So even when people speak the truth 99% of the time it is heavily censored. The other 1% of the time the truth is highly confined and then they flood the space with retard shills.


For example i remember Reddit was the worst and most obvious at this. How is it a ‘public platform’ if any time a real human tries to use it their post is blocked/ deleted and they are told ‘oh actually you need to go use this other subreddit’ and the other subreddit where actual humans get to post has like 20 viewers as opposed to 20,000 or whatever.

>>40480119
No you can’t. That’s the problem. The currently accepted (((mainstream))) model of this reality is absolutely moronic and antithetical to all actual observations which show earth to be motionless and at the center of the observable cosmos. Educate yourself:

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40259436/#40292800

See sections in the pastebin referenced here: >>40463337

Heliocentrists, by definition, are no different than any other religious fanatics - they believe in the empirically unsubstantiated written doctrine of men which is contrary to all actual scientific, sensory, and observational evidence. My advice to you is to take back control of your life and stop blindly believing what you’re told to believe by your perceived authority figures. You have no idea how much dogshit your religion is based in bc you’ve never thought to question the axiomatic claims at the foundation of your worldview.

>>40460212 (OP)

>>40460212 (OP)
it do be like that though.

>>40464190
>How did the bug get across the fucking ocean?
Are you aware of evolution retard

Anything good on Evolution theory?

>>40481629
No it don’t. Provably, it don’t.

Just look into every single documented experiment which has attempted to measure earth’s motion. Every single one of the most credentialed, decorated and highly regarded physicist in history have openly admitted that every attempt to measure earth’s alleged motions has failed. Even Einstein claimed that earth’s alleged motions were undetectable and he said that Foucault pendulums do not prove earth spins (not an appeal to authority, Im just pointing out that even those who literally built the modern heliocentric model have been forced to openly admit its alleged motions cannot be proven). And although credentialed heliocentrists, such as those in picrel, will tell you that geocentrism is “equally valid” to Heliocentrism, that provably is just a last ditch cope. The truth of the matter, which is conveniently left out from the (((mainstream))) narrative, is that Heliocentrism was literally claimed to actually be disproven by Einsteinian relatively, not bc of any empirical evidence (Einstien never performed even a single actual experiment prior to his publishing of the SR/GR) but bc that’s just how bad it got for Heliocentrists as greatly improved technology allowed us to form an ever greater understanding of the physical attributes of our world. Micheslon-Morley discovered definitively that earth was not moving around the sun, and that falsified the COPErnican principle, but the controllers of this realm would not have the ignorant enslaved masses believing that earth was motionless and literally at the center of the observable universe, so relativity was the last ditch effort to attempt to save the model.

Anyone interested in learning the true history of the religion of heliocentrism should start with these vids:

https://youtu.be/CoqpZ7UJvxI

https://youtu.be/cp5FvxyZx1o

https://youtu.be/CeJb0JIHNik

And then work your way thru the sections of the pastebin listed itp:>>40463337

>>40481846
Yeah retard. The bug turned into a fish and then the fish fucking grew legs retard
And guess what retard. You are related to a fucking potatoe whether you like it or not

But so whats the conclusion if the earth actually is flat?
Does it simply prove that there is a creator?

>>40481934
Gorillas are actors in fursuits used to convince people they are just monkeys

>>40481846
>>40481934
See:>>40460229

https://youtu.be/rXexaVsvhCM
https://youtu.be/DtCIp9sgiE0
https://youtu.be/xDvKD_z3OeQ
https://youtu.be/vdSjyvIHVLw
https://youtu.be/cCk-b9GaY5k

That should get you started.

What's the proof of this? This is an insane

>>40482003
People in academia get paid to push this stuff AND THEY BELIEVE IT lolzzzz

I get so annoyed try to look up anything biology related and these retards wont shut up about ‘evolution’ like it is the cause for everything we ever observe.

They take it as an axiom and do not realize that’s not science.

Real science is not accepting one of your theories to be fact and them using that as a lense through which you base all of your further ideas off of. It’s really stupid if you think about it and has nothing to do with the scientific method.

And sometimes you just want to hear some REAL facts about animals without hearing ‘6.6 million years ago….’ Bullshit

>>40460212 (OP)
Okay but assuming gravity is real and at least functions moderately as we have been told and can verify with our eyes, why is OP picrel so.ludicrous? Forget nasa fakery and all that I'm just asking a simple question. I'more an electric universe guy.personally..

>>40482491
>assuming gravity is real and at least functions moderately as we have been told and can verify with our eyes
Kek! Gravity doesn’t function at all. people like you just assume it does bc you don’t even know the dogma of your own religion. Maybe consider investing the time to properly educate your life on your own beliefs. For example, See:
>>40463337
>>40467975

Picrel for example. Gravity, as it’s defined with regards to the (((mainstream))) cosmological models, is fugn retarded and you would know that if you actually took the time to learn about its claims.

>>40482795
Nice bullshit infographic. Cant even represent the distances correctly yet you post it as of its some kimd of truth? I know why everyone hates you faggots and its not because of scientism, its because your a bunch of nighers who have nothing. You assume i even believe in gravity. If i drop something it falls to the ground. Dumb kike.

>>40482993
>Cant even represent the distances correctly
Are you literally retarded? Obviously the illustration is not to scale, nor is it claiming to be. The figures and actual math are to scale tho and the complete breakdown is detailed in this video (which is already linked to in the very post you’re replying to): >>40463337
https://old.bitchute.com/video/2oqymRsyzdPO/

Youre just a faggot who watched a couple 10 minute half baked YouTube vids on the electric universe theory and now claim that you’ve switched camps without even understanding a single thing about the claims of either camp to begin with. You’re an insecure poser and your posts make that obvious. Stop being pathetic and actually invest the time and effort necessary to learn about the topic you’re speaking of rather than faking like you already have an understanding.

>>40481629
How is it possible that I find her less ugly in black?

>>40480031

>>40464190
On birds

>>40460212 (OP)

>>40483328
Because her features match a melanated skin a lot better

>>40460212 (OP)

>>40460212 (OP)

I'm convinced y'all are just here to troll and bait, go play something or goon to hentai if you can't touch grass or talk to a friend, please

>but wait, I'm on /x/ what did I expect

>>40482003
Thousands of fossils plus dna similarities between us and every other life form.

>>40483277
Flat earth is kike CIA shill garbage. Electric universe is not a flat earth based philosophy you nigger. Hollow earth makes much more sense and I've been studying it for almost two decades. Indon need to wast my time watching AI slop "plasma moon" earth map flat earth kikery literal garbage. Kill yourself.

>>40478825
I believe the bell curve is a dynamic representation fixed in time
and souls make their way through -
wisdom as their modus operandi,
intelligence largely moral.

>>40490238
>Find old wagon with 4 wooden wheels
>see car with 4 tires
>…HOLY SHIT NATURE EVOLVED CARS FROM WAGONS!!!

>see tree made of wood
>see house made of wood
>OMFG MY CONDO EVOLVED FROM A FUCKING TREEE!!!!

Yes, you really are that retarded.

>>40482993
>>40490372
Your posts itt thus far have contained absolutely no substance whatsoever - just ad homs and vague references to theories which you seem to have no actual understanding of. Since you claim to be “an electric universe guy”, how about you show me you have even a rudimentary grasp of basic electrical behavior as it pertains to observable and testable phenomena on earth. Go ahead and address the questions raised itp:
>>40432652
>>40442060
>>40451756
>there is a measurable equipotential increase of 100 volts per meter as you increase altitude from the surface of earth. Can you produce even a single example of equally increasing lines of electric potential without the use of 2 Gaussian surfaces? If not, why are you ignoring the fact that earth’s measurable electric field is irrefutable proof of the existence of a Gaussian surface above earth (ie: the firmament)?

>Going hand in hand with that question is of course the issue that a static charged spherical Earth would mean that the voltage potential is highest nearest the surface and attenuates according to R squared - not vice versa and lineally, as we observe.

>Can you provide even a single example of a static sphere that has lineally increasing voltage potential rising from its surface instead of a voltage potential that is highest near the surface which attenuates at R squared?

Surely, given your condescending remarks and vocal criticisms of flat earth, you have an answer for why the observable properties of earth’s electric field are literally impossible to replicate on a sphere or without the use of two flat Gaussian surfaces positioned perpendicular to the vertical electric field within a contained system…

>>40492746
Dont care. Not interested in arguing with flat earth kike shill schizo retarded nigger such as yourself. Have a good day.

>>40492777
>if I just include enough ad homs in my post maybe no one will notice that I’m running away after being exposed as a larping faggot who knows nothing about electricity or alternative cosmologies
checked and kek’d. Don’t worry anon, I’m sure nobody suspects a thing

what is the flat earth sitting on and what's outside it? does it just stretch across the entire universe and there is nothing else outside it?

flat earthers mad cause they dicks and balls flat

>>40493830
The face of the deep ‘the abyss’ may extend infinitely but the earth has 4 pillars which may or may not extend infinitely down

flat earth is a cia psyop

why does the sun/moon's angular diamater remain nearly unchanged as it goes OVER THE HORIZON instead of shrinking into an infinitely small point ABOVE THE HORIZON as would be necessary if it was just moving away above a flat plain

why does the supermoon phenomenon even exist?

you have no model, you have no predictions, you are a joke of a conspiracy theory

>>40493830
The earth is provably flat, stationary and enclosed.
>>40435656
>>40435684
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40259436/#40292800
Anything beyond that is really just speculation. I personally don’t make definitive claims about things which are empirically unprovable which is why I would advise anyone who is part of ANY religion to reconsider their blind adherence to the written doctrine of powerful men. Belief is the enemy of knowing. How tf would I, or anyone else for that matter, have any idea what lies beyond the observable cosmos? The issue here for most people is their approach to knowledge itself - for most people, their perceived authority figures have fed them fictional nonsense stories their entire lives, which they’ve swallowed without question, and now that flat earthers have falsified those stories, they expect flat earthers to replace the fiction they once believed with new fictional stories. The wise eventually will come to accept that some answers are simply not meant to be known within this lifetime.

>>40494399
>muh baby’s first flat earth question
This has already been addressed exhaustively in literally thousands flat earth threads over the years. Just read thru the archived threads linked in the OP, refer to the pastebin, or search the 4plebs archives. For example:

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40294514/#40330352

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40294514/#40333025

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40294514/#40334678

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40294514/#40334717

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40294514/#40339483

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40294514/#40342165

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40294514/#40344761

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40294514/#40344789

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40294514/#40344834

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40294514/#40348137

>>40494399
>flat earth is a cia psyop
>>40435871
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40375472/#40435871
>they’re heavily censoring their own psyop bc they don’t want people to be exposed to the psyop they’re trying to expose people to
Clearly you’ve got it all figured out, buddy

>>40460212 (OP)
kill yourself phoneposting twitter immigrant.

>>40480715
Charlemagne had an asbestos table cloth he would throw into the fireplace to clean after a banquet.

>>40494781
this webm that you're referencing might be convincing if it was higher quality. it looks like a cloud go in front of the sun where you can still see the top and bottom edges. ive seen plenty of clear shots taken at ground level.

so in your personal canon, at what height is the sun? because some flat earthers think it can go between cloud layers(and provide webms where it appears so), while high altitude balloon shots show its clearly not even close to the clouds.

>>40495691
You already were thoroughly BTFO on this subject in the previous thread, and that conversation is literally linked in the very post you’re replying to. And as was mentioned in that thread, anyone can view the drone footage for themselves:
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40294514/#40345560

Also, as was mentioned in that thread, you don’t need to take flat earthers at their word about the legitimacy of the sun footage. In fact, you’d be absolutely moronic to blindly believe ANYONE or any one video on the topic. As I’ve stated many times throughout many threads:
>I urge everyone reading: DONT BELIEVE ME! I happen to be telling you the truth, but how could you even know that just from seeing my posts??

>You’d be absolutely moronic to just blindly believe anyone about the topic of where you are, what this reality is, and for what purpose you were put here. ffs, you don’t have to believe flat earthers. Get off your ass and go outside and test the globe’s claims for yourself. That is the ONLY way to become a real flat earther. Go try to confirm what you were told about this world. If you do, you will quickly realize that you were lied to.

>if you haven’t actually tested the claims of the globe religion, then this is your queue to get off your ass and go test the globe religion’s claims for yourself.

>what height is the sun
Already addressed this: >>40494708
I’m not in the business of making definitive claims about optical phenomena which I cannot empirically test scientifically or personally validate. Just bc your perceived authority figures have fed you a steady diet of bullshit fairy tales your entire life doesn’t mean it’s my job to now give you new ones. Falsification is independent of replacement.

>>40492892
Here have some more:
Why are you such a massive faggot? conspiracy niggers who think they know it all are a dime a dozen you just happen to be the bottom of the barrel of shit sucking d bags. I never said I was a mathematician or electrical engineer. Your tone in response to my initial post is the reason for the insults.

>>40495749
so you have no personal opinion on the height of the sun since you havent devised a method to measure it yourself? it could be 10 miles up or a million miles?

if your goal is building a mental model of the solar system(or whatever you want to call the relationship between the earth/sun/other observable objects), its an important aspect

>>40495825
I’m sorry if my tone hurt your fee fees. Your initial post made it clear you understand absolutely fuckall about the current model of gravity or the electric universe theory. Yes, things fall down on earth, but the observable downward accelerative bias is easily explained via electrostatics, density and buoyancy, all of which, unlike gravity, are scientifically testable and provable. for example:
>>40392146
>>40392148
>>40395107
Both Newtonian and Einsteinian Gravity, on the other hand, have been falsified for over a century now. In 1933 Fritz Zwicky made observations of the Coma cluster which disproved gravity on the cosmological scale. It’s been falsified on the “solar system” scale as well by observations of Mercury’s perihelion shift and by simple mathematical analysis of the gravitational relationship of the Sun and the moon outlined in the video linked to here:
https://old.bitchute.com/video/2oqymRsyzdPO/
and gravity isn’t even claimed to be compatible with the equations derived from quantum mechanics. To sum it up for you: Gravity has been bodybagged. the reason you’re unaware of this fact is bc you haven’t put forth the time and effort necessary to educate yourself on the subject matter.

>I never said I was a mathematician or electrical engineer
I never said you were either, or that you needed to be in order to understand the basic properties of earth’s measurable electric field. Read the posts linked here carefully:
>>40492746
and see if you can find a way to resolve the issues being outlined. If you don’t want to, fine, just know that your belief in a spherical earth, and heliocentrism in general, is nothing more than religious conviction since you refuse to actually personally investigate or question any of the foundational claims being made by your high priests.

if the earth was flat, wouldnt nasa just be trying to get off it just like they do when theyre operating under a globe model assumption? if the earth is flat, why is nasa putting money into tricking everybody into believing a globe model if they could just be putting that same money into exploring whatever is outside the flat earth

Nonsense. t. Occultist

>>40496000
Check’d. The vids which appear to show the sun floating in the clouds can be explained by an optical effect of the sun’s light pushing thru select layers of clouds of varying densities and altitudes. modeling software is used in this pres to debunk the common misconception that the sun is literally hovering within the clouds:
https://archive.org/details/NoCloudsBehindSun

I would say the sun is not a physical object and we only ever see its apparent position. Think of a rainbow for example. A rainbow’s position is completely dependent on the observer. If the observer moves, so does the apparent position of the rainbow. Or if you go to the ocean and stand at the water’s edge, you will see the sun’s reflection on the water leading from the sun to your feet, but that light you see on the water is not actually physically there, you only perceive it as being there bc of your position relative to the apparent light source. If someone were standing 1 mile to your left, they would see the sun’s light on the water leading up to their feet instead of yours. You cannot triangulate the position of a light source which is only apparent.

This vid helps to illustrate this point using a light source behind a hanging sheet.
(Timestamped at 2:27):
https://youtu.be/1b9j42tFl2M?t=147
the light source remains stationary behind the hanging sheet, but as the observer moves, so does the apparent position of the hotspot on the sheet.

Also, the first video in the pastebin (https://pastebin.com/jk2hAdmh) under the section titled: "SUNSETS/ SUNRISES/ DAY/NIGHT / AZIMUTHAL GRID OF VISION:" explains this concept in much greater detail:

The Sun, Eratosthenes, Sun Angles, and Magnetic Flat Earth Presentation by Shane St. Pierre:
https://youtu.be/kmk0U5w5pls

Also, just speculating here, but I think it’s very likely that the source of the actual sun is the "2nd sun" which many, such as crrow777, have filmed on multiple separate occasions:
https://youtu.be/wO79taKZxkU

>>40496100
Nasa gets $70 million a day. That’s a lot of money to invest in multiple different projects simultaneously. The issue of money is irrelevant anyways tho bc nasa itself is merely made up of occultists, actors, and the vast majority being just useful idiots such as the computress here: >>40477108. The employees at NASA aren’t the ones pulling the strings. The controllers of this realm literally print their own money and decide the level of their own wealth, and they control the ultimate directives of nasa and every other government agency. Money is not a limiting factor at all for them. A good place to start if you’re unfamiliar with the banking cartels is the section titled “THE FEDERAL RESERVE“ and the big oil vids linked itp: >>40460229

Those who hold the keys of power in this realm have no doubt tried to escape and explore outside of the containment barrier, but alas, nothing gets past the firmament. And even if they were successful, why would you assume that the public would ever catch word of it. Just look how thoroughly information is compartmentalized within power structures, and in addition, look how easily propagandized and distracted the masses are.

>>40496100
>>40496446

>>40496037
No fee fees were hurt in this process. Flat earth is still fake and gay, and always will be. Your making a whole bunch of asumpyabout me I have no desire to refute because I don't feel it's worth my time to argue with literal like worshipping shills. .for the record I don't believe in scientism and never said I even believed in gravity explicitly. That's the one common ground I do have with you faggots is that mainstream science is filled with hoaxes. You may now carry on being an arrogant Jew loving nigger. Cheers

>>40496458
>Nuking the firmament
Fucking lol

>>40496512
You’re clearly a master of wasting your own time. You’ve been hanging around this thread for three days now and you somehow still managed to have said practically nothing at all in that time. Did you really come here just to throw around empty insults and whine about being misunderstood like a teenage girl being pulled around by her angsty hormones lol? Or is there a reason you’re posting? What I’ve noticed is the people that are most vocally opposed to flat earth often seem to be the most ignorant of the heliocentric claims. Instead of just repeating ad naseum that you think flat earth is stupid and that you’re so misunderstood about your own views, why don’t you try to post something with a bit of substance for a change? Do you believe earth to be a globe in motion, traveling around the sun? If so, why do you personally hold this belief? What do you personally believe to be the reason that objects fall down on earth? Are you capable of expressing yourself outside of immature name calling and vague appeals to broad terms such as “electric universe” and “hollow earth”?

>>40498267
>Nuking the firmament

>>40498267
>Are you capable of expressing yourself outside of immature name calling and vague appeals to broad terms such as “electric universe” and “hollow earth”?

>>40498267
not the guy you're responding to, but ill give it a shot, if nothing but for my own benefit in the case you're just a hired shill

>Do you believe earth to be a globe in motion, traveling around the sun? If so, why do you personally hold this belief?

yes, because we can use telescopes to observe many objects in space the majority of which are spheres. its not a great leap in logic to deduce ours is similar. this is of course just a piece of evidence on a long list, but i think a rather convincing one

>What do you personally believe to be the reason that objects fall down on earth?

as we observe these other objects move through space around the sun, it seems to apply an attractive force to them, which forces them change their trajectory in usually predictable ways. i dont believe the effects of density and bouyancy would explain this phenomena

ultimately, i think a model of reality should be judged on how the accuracy of the predictions it can make. flat earth doesnt have a model, just speculation, and thus cant make any predictions.

using the "sphere earth and gravity is observable" model we can make lots of predictions like trajectories and relative speeds of bodies in space, the location and movements of celestial constellations, the timing of seasons, tidal cycles, among many of things.

where's the flat earth model that can predict these things and the math why it works? in 2025 it would be trivial to make a computer program that could simulate these things if there was a model, just as there is for the sphere/gravity model.

have we discovered a single practical use for the flat earth model? genuinely curious

props for sticking around and at least seemingly arguing in good faith, as most flat earth posts seem to be pure spam and then the poster vanishes

>>40498536
>we can use telescopes to observe many objects in space the majority of which are spheres.
See:
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40259436/#40292800

>its not a great leap in logic to deduce ours is similar.
Yes it is. What do the lights on your ceiling tell you of the floor beneath your feet? The earth is provably in the center of the cosmos which means it’s provably unique, as in, not like everything which revolves around it. There is no logic to the notion that bc we see little round objects in the sky, the earth must be a big round object. The only reason it seems rational to you is the same reason Mormons believe their views of the prophet Joseph Smith to be rational - bc you, like most religious individuals, were born into a system of indoctrination and youve known nothing other than that doctrine your entire life. It’s illogical and nonsensical by definition, but you believe bc it’s what you’ve been taught and you never thought to question it.

>as we observe these other objects move through space around the sun
You don’t observe objects move thru space around the sun. You observe everything moving around the earth in repeating cycles and you do not experience the earth moving at all. Again, it’s a lifetime of indoctrination which has conditioned you to believe you see things moving around the sun. Objectively tho, you do not.

>it seems to apply an attractive force to them, which forces them change their trajectory in usually predictable ways. i dont believe the effects of density and bouyancy would explain this phenomena
The accelerative downward bias only makes sense on flat earth with a firmament. See the posts linked to itp:
>>40496037
We can replicate and experimentally prove the flat earth electrostatic model of “gravity”. The globe earth heliocentric model is pure pseudoscientific fiction which has not, and can never be, proven.

cont…

>>40498536
Also,
See: >>40481935
and
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40294514/#40369611

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/503272287/#503278805

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/503272287/#503279073

All of the most famous and credentialed physicists, cosmologists and astronomers will tell you point blank there is not a single observation which can be made which is evidence against geocentrism. In fact, Einstein was literally forced to admit that heliocentrism was equally valid kinematically and dynamically to geocentrism. You should consider educating yourself on these matters more thoroughly. You can start with the links ive already provided and the sections referenced in the pastebin, in the above links ive replied to you with already, and itp:
>>40463337

>ultimately, i think a model of reality should be judged on how the accuracy of the predictions it can make.
If you honestly feel this way you’ll be a flat earther soon enough. Seems the main issue here is you just haven’t looked into what predictions the globe /heliocentric model have actually attempted to make.

>flat earth doesnt have a model, just speculation, and thus cant make any predictions.
Straw man and provably false. Literally all technology in existence is built and utilized assuming earth is a flat stationary topographical plane. Earth measures flat and motionless, but don’t just blindly believe me or anyone else on that, go test it yourself:
>>40435656
>>40435684

If, when your referring to a flat earth model, you’re actually inquiring about a flat earth map see:
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40294514/#40339386
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40294514/#40341993

cont..

>>40498536
>the timing of seasons, tidal cycles, among many of things
Seasons are explained much better on a flat earth than the heliocentric model (eg the inverse square law and the elliptical orbit of the earth claiming to bring the entire planet 3 million miles closer to the sun without it effecting the entire planet as a whole)
and tidal nodes completely debunk the heliocentric globe model’s claims about the moon’s gravitational effect on bodies of water. Just open the pastebin and ctrl+f search on the page for key words such as “tides” or “seasons” for more info on these topics and you’ll quickly realize they are evidence against the globe model, not for it. Also, see:

https://old.bitchute.com/video/2oqymRsyzdPO/

>where's the flat earth model that can predict these things and the math why it works? in 2025 it would be trivial to make a computer program that could simulate these things if there was a model, just as there is for the sphere/gravity model.
There actually is a flat earth computer model. See section titled “azimuthal grid” in the pastebin or check out Shane St. Pierre’s obsidian archive link or YouTube channel for a better breakdown of this subject.

There is no actual evidence for the globe model of gravity. The Parabox is just one of many easy falsifications of gravity and the alleged vacuum of space, see: >>40460254

The heliocentric model is admittedly wrong on a great number of observations and their math admittedly doesnt work with various scientifically testable physical phenomena. Everything you believe about the substantiating evidence for your religion is completely backwards and it’s no surprise considering how heavily the topic of flat earth is censored and how prevalent the globe earth propaganda is. If you check out the pastebin and invest the time and effort necessary to educate yourself, and then go perform your own observations, tests and experiments, you’ll likely become a flat earther as well.

cont…

>>40498536
>have we discovered a single practical use for the flat earth model?
See:
>>40432816
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40375472/#40432816

Again, Literally all technology in existence is built and utilized assuming earth is a flat stationary topographical plane.

You don’t kno what you don’t know and I don’t fault you for that. But now that you’ve been given the resources to look into these matters for yourself, if you still refuse to question the foundational claims of your religion, it’s just willful ignorance at that point. Practically all flat earthers started out as globers just like you. We were all taught the same dogma you were and we all once believed the same propaganda you do. We’re the ones who decided to actually question the claims being made by our perceived authority figures instead of continuing to blindly believe them based solely on the doctrine of those in positions of power. Now it’s your turn to do some questioning and research of your own. As I’ve said many times before, and as I’ll say many times again, bc I think it’s probably the most important takeaway from these conversations:
>You’d be absolutely moronic to just blindly believe anyone about the topic of where you are, what this reality is, and for what purpose you were put here. ffs, you don’t have to believe flat earthers. Get off your ass and go outside and test the globe’s claims for yourself. That is the ONLY way to become a real flat earther. Go try to confirm what you were told about this world. If you do, you will quickly realize that you were lied to.

>>40498536
>>40498928
>using the "sphere earth and gravity is observable" model we can make lots of predictions like trajectories and relative speeds of bodies in space, the location and movements of celestial constellations,
Again, these claims are nothing more than religious dogma taught to you by your high to priests. The heliocentric globe model doesn’t make ANY predictions. It makes POSTdictions based on the fact that the sky is a perfectly repeating cyclical clock, which is yet another falsification of the globe earth heliocentric model since that would only be possible on a stationary earth. A prime example of this is eclipse cycles which NASA actually admits they use the Saros cycle to “predict”. The Saros cycle is a geocentric flat earth model invented by the Babylonians that were an ancient society with a flat earth cosmology. We have literally discovered technology from ancient flat earth civilizations that predicted eclipses with such great accuracy, that we can still use them today. For example:
The Antikythera Mechanism predicts EVERY eclipse and proves a geocentric flat earth:
(timestamped at 1:40:42):
https://youtu.be/kI4jcGmuZoU?t=6042

In fact, the predictions that the heliocentric model attempted to make were definitively proven false time and again. For example, see: >>40496037 The predictions that your model tried to make were literally off by 97% (dark matter lol) on the cosmological scale, and 100% on the quantum scale. Gravity has been thoroughly debunked and is incompatible with observable reality.

>>40496512
>>40498372
>Fuck your Jew "god"
I’m not Christian or religious in any way if that’s what you’re implying.
See: >>40432749
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40281798/#40289430

I would suspect that most flat earthers are not Christian. You don’t need an old dusty book to tell you what to think about where you are. many, like myself, just went outside and measured the earth for themselves.

>>40496521
>>40498351
Well, nukes are actually provably fake a gay:
https://vimeo.com/331671526

But yea they set off massive fucking bombs in an attempt to break thru the ceiling they kept hitting. Pretty wild.

>>40498536
>i think a model of reality should be judged on how the accuracy of the predictions it can make.
>using the "sphere earth and gravity is observable" model we can make lots of predictions
>is blissfully unaware of the 3 body problem
Picrel. The current model of globular planets orbiting the sun admittedly can’t make any predictions and isn’t even stable to begin with.

>>40477108
haha, you're crazy

>>40490238
But I haven't personally seen all of those fossils and even if I did I'd still choose to believe they were just sculpted and buried to fool us to test our faith in the lord our god jesus h christ almighty, amen.

lol

>>40490238
>>40499676
>>40481962

>>40475388

>>40498875
So, your argument is "astronomer quote mine + you're wrong, you're wrong".

p.s. using modern telescopes you can measure apparent movement of stars (caused by this planets orbit)

>>40501758
>see little lights moving in the sky
>blindly believe the fictional stories you’re told to believe about them

Try actually looking into the methodology being used for once. It’s always just one pseudoscientific assumption piled upon another. For example:

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40223306/#40229354
>Parallax is provably bs pseudoscience which makes the assumption that the earth is moving and not the object being studied, despite the fact that earth’s motions have never been measured. Also, the measurements claimed to be made using parallax are literally smaller than what standard atmospheric refraction would account for. Also look into negative parallax bc most parallax measurements show the exact opposite of what the heliocentric model predicts. Stop being so gullible and automatically believing what youre told to believe. one of your perceived authority figures told you a word “parallax”, and you never even bothered to look into the actual measurements being claimed, you just believed what you were told to believe about the new word you learned. Invest the time and educate yourself for once:

>STELLAR PARALLAX / ABERRATION:

>Space Audits #12: Stellar Parallax Explained:
https://youtu.be/QvBQA5syuqk

>Arcseconds, Triangles, Stellar Parallax (Space Audits upload):
https://youtu.be/3eArkUlcnWg

>Clip: Geocentric vs Heliocentric Parallax Angle Predictions (Space Audits upload):
https://youtu.be/AjGF7K3tEPA

>Potential Explanations For Stellar Parallax & Stellar Aberration (Space Audits upload):
https://youtu.be/5KDc4PMZQfE

>Clips: Airy's Success and Negative Parallax (Space Audits upload):
https://youtu.be/yCqnqYBIWhs

>Spectroscopy
>It’s meme and again pseudoscience by definition. Try looking at your shoe and see if you can deduce what materials your shoe is made of using spectroscopy lol

You have no idea how much bullshit your religion is based in, and unfortunately due to the powerful effect of cogdis, you probably never will.

>>40500774
Argument is: despite >one million specimens there hasn't been an absolutely pristine 50mya fossil, although close to perfect has been achieved, see --> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sue_(dinosaur) (90% complete) and that they hide the "real" (fake) bones from the public, which they don't see --> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Museum_of_Natural_History#Fossils_on_display p.s. "Darwin's theory of evolution" is hilarious, he's only responsible for natural selection.

>>40501836
>put your thumb at half an arms distance (keep it still)
>close one eye, then the other while opening the first eye
>repeat this while moving your thumb slowly out towards an arms length

Do you see the difference in where you thumb looks like it is; do you see how the difference becomes more negligible as you move your arm outwards; your thumb is kinda like Polaris and your eyes are kinda like the earth when it's on either side of the sun, now imagine if your thumb was 373ly away and your eyes were 2 AU apart, you'd probably need some sophisticated telescope, right?

>>40501836
Are you genuinely saying parallax isn't real? have you never drove down the highway (or been a passenger) and seen the foreground move speedily while the background does not?

p.s. BTW sorry but I'm not reading your archive links.

>>40502049
>>40502003
See:>>40501836

Picrel. Stellar parallax is literally pseudoscience by the definition of the word itself. It’s explained in great detail in the very post you’re replying to. If you don’t want to educate yourself, that’s fine by me. Just remain willfully ignorant. Like I really gaf.

>>40502107
You genuinely think 1/2 AU; 42 MILLION miles of measurement cares about tiny tectonic or geological activity, especially when satellites can correct the measurements of on-ground telescopes, also the telescopes are usually IN SPACE, even when on ground the measurements aren't singular; there are MANY individual measurements taken repeatedly, and then statistically averaged to high precision.

>>40499177
99.86% of this systems mass is comprised of the Sun, dumb-ass.

>>40502437
>Earth's orbital radius = 93,000,000 miles
>Sirius distance is 5.062 × 10^13 miles away
>Sin p = 9.3 × 10^7/5.062 × 10^13
>p = >0.00011° or 1/10,000th of a degree
The effects of typical atmospheric refraction or even the shift of a tectonic plate are much greater than that.

15 min pres on why stellar parallax is complete bs:
https://youtu.be/QvBQA5syuqk

This one’s 30 mins:
https://youtu.be/3eArkUlcnWg

Tldr; They are claiming to measure angles that are so small as to literally be impossible to measure. In addition, If they measure “negative parallax” (stars appearing to have moved the WRONG DIRECTION) they are literally instructed to change the negative to a positive and throw out any parallax measurement that doesn’t agree with their presuppositions lol that’s literally what’s Harvard teaches. It’s a ridiculously erroneous and fallacious method of “””measurement”””

They aren’t measuring parallax- they can’t prove it. They say a star appears to be at position A but due to the earths orbit it should be at B. They apply a little math to assume orbital distances and then look at a little shift (in reality any shifts they do see are provably due to atmospheric refraction. So applying some mathematical astronomical refraction “corrections”, they claim to have a “””””verified”””” distance. They’re not using the math to predict but post dict and it’s all just a giant affirming the consequent fallacy

It’s the same template of fallacious reasoning they use for claiming there’s spherical excess. They don’t actually measure it. They measure triangles and then apply the mathematical reduction to a presumed sphere after the fact. Deflection of the vertical and refraction provide fudge factor in the error to extrapolate a ball out of it. Just like assuming the astronomical unit and considering astronomical refraction and stellar aberration provided the fudge factor to extrapolate a parallax angle.

>>40502536
>The effects of typical atmospheric refraction or even the shift of a tectonic plate are much greater than that.
I literally said: " also the telescopes are usually IN SPACE,"

>>40502536
Flat-earth bullshit has truly done a number on some midwits, holy fuck.

>>40502437
>muh impossible satellites meanz the impossible measurements aren’t impossible after allz
The very medium they’re said to reside in has been thoroughly and demonstrably falsified by basic laws of physics. For example, See: >>40460254

Also,
>Why Satellites Are A Joke:
https://youtu.be/5PuNTOUEoFU

And also:
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40281798/#40292354

>>40502578
>>40502437
See: >>40502591
Continual regurgitation of your religious dogma merely confirms your fanaticism. You have no actual evidence or arguments, just the ability to recite what you’ve been told to blindly believe. Pathetic.

Also educate yourself:
https://youtu.be/1eEI7uKgSgA

The “Hubble telescope” is just a telescope named SOPHIA on an airplane.

>>40502591
>satellites aren't real!
I laughed

>>40498897
>the elliptical orbit of the earth claiming to bring the entire planet 3 million miles closer to the sun without it effecting the entire planet as a whole
That is not how seasons are explained on the globe model

>>40502746
He agrees, but he thinks that the ± 3 million miles would somehow cause a huge difference because "muh big numbah", obviously this difference is less than 3.3% of the total distance (1 AU).

I have a challenge for flat earthers that literally bone if you have been able to respond to in the few years I've been issuing it. Find Jos Leys in YouTube. Pick any of his flat earth related videos (they're all 10 seconds - 3 minutes long). Post the video you picked and explain what's wrong with the reasoning within it. If noone does this it'll just reinforce me in my belief that you're just a bunch of retarded trolls

>>40502892
>If noone does this it'll just reinforce me in my belief that you're just a bunch of retarded trolls
Unfortunately many of them are deathly serious about this and other conspiracy theories, I say "deathly" because many of these conspiracy theories ARE deadly (anti-vax, anti-maskers...etc)

>>40502591
>satellites look weird to me
>google stitches images together (oh no!)
>"cartoon" (real image (IDEK what to say about this, it's basically 1))
>you can't see planes (shows planes)
>mistakes satelloons for high-altitude balloons
>low cost satellite alternatives exist!(whatever will we do?)
>high-altitude balloons despite covering way less area can totally out compete satellites!
> NASA uses helium for rocket pressurization and cooling also NASA has balloons!
>GPS isn't infallible!
>LORAN therefore ¬GPS
>Doesn't understand vacuums can't move a satellite
Wow, this gave me brain cancer!

>>40460254
This is due to the gas having a higher pressure than the ambient air. As you increase in height the energy (heat) in the air dissipates; the air oscillates at a certain height, the molecule of "air"'s height is probabilistic (Think a Gaussian distribution; a bell curve.) and based on average kinetic energy.
p.s. It's just gravity and average kinetic energy (heat) equilibrium .

>>40502969
>I say "deathly" because many of these conspiracy theories ARE deadly (anti-vax, anti-maskers...etc)

>>40502892
All of his videos are baby’s first flat earth question tier. Take this one for example:
https://youtu.be/uKFbRQ5Bvlg

>Open pastebin:
https://pastebin.com/jk2hAdmh

>ctrl+f: “mountains” or "shadow" or "clouds" or "Rainier"
>see this:
***********************************************
SHADOWS OF MOUNTAINS ON CLOUDS:
***********************************************

Flat Earth Fact #16 - No Earth Curve Shadow Proves Earth is Flat (by Taboo Conspiracy):
https://youtu.be/bIn6nEMEy1s

Flat Earth Fact #16 Addendum A (by Taboo Conspiracy):
https://youtu.be/vUC3scZNH00

Flat Earth Fact #16 - Addendum B (by Taboo Conspiracy):
https://youtu.be/A96g0kIcsb8

Bob the Science Guy's Mt Rainier shadow evidence is now FLAT EARTH EVIDENCE:
https://youtu.be/OO2MJw004HY

Mt Rainier Proves Flat Earth:
https://youtu.be/OO2MJw004HY

>Proceed to educate yourself
>rinse and repeat the ctrl+f method you've just learned for any additional flat earth questions you have
you're welcome.

>>40503478

>>40503837
Sure gas molecules get their kinetic energy from heat but energy rate isn’t proportional to altitude. For example, the thermosphere is said to be more than 60x hotter than at the average ground temperature, meaning that gas molecules at higher altitudes would have even MORE kinetic energy to overcome gravity’s alleged entropic effect on them. This is an absolute death shot to the assertion that gravity can act as a container bc the strength of gravity falls off at the inverse square, while the available kinetic energy of gas molecules is increased drastically at higher altitudes due to increased temperatures.

Also, based on what you’ve written in your post, it seems like you don’t really even understand the premise of the Parabox to begin with. Try actually reading the posts linked itp you’re replying to. It’s best first to make sure you’re comprehending what’s being discussed prior to attempting to refute it.

>>40501912
>>40481962
>presented with hours worth of evidence showing dinosaurs, and evolution in general, to be nothing more than baseless ideological propositions invented for the purpose of advancing nihilistic materialism and propped up by fakery, hoax “discoveries” and junk pseudoscientific propaganda from those in control of the institutions of education, science, media and popular influence
>b-b-bbbbut Wikipedia says dinosaurs are real!…
im gonna save you some time and let you kno right off the bat - this conversation is not going to benefit you my dude. you can move along.

>>40468791
I fucking swear if I ever notice another subliminal

>>40476785
maybe this book is why his dad named him?

>be worthless schizo imbecile
>deny science using a machine developed using science

>>40504810
Have you seen how long a whale or dolphin penis is?

>>40461479
Tech exists and is better, its just unbelievably expensive for virtually no payout.

There's just not much going on, on the moon. It's why it makes such a good topic for cosmic void horror. I don't think people can properly comprehend its kind of darkness and emptiness. We, who have existed in all our states of being surrounded by life. Most suffer psychological damage the longer they're on the moon. Separated from not only nature, but life itself.

>>40504794
Air doesn't generally exceed escape velocity, -_- the tiny amount that does (<0.001% or less than 1 part per 100,000) is hydrogen and helium.

>>40505720
>>40379896
>This is just a textbook remedial reification aka begging the question fallacy, as you are attempting to use the alleged effects of gravity (ie: escape velocity) as proof of the very thing that you are attempting to prove - gravity’s alleged effects. Gas molecules have 100% of the energy needed to escape into a comparatively weak vacuum when they are nearest the center of mass where gravity is said to be strongest and effecting them the most. As altitude is increased from earth’s surface, gravity gets weaker in the globe model, not stronger, so why would gas molecules magically need to reach “muh escape velocity” in order to escape into a vacuum at higher altitudes where gravity is WEAKER when they have 100% of the velocity/energy needed to escape gravity into a vacuum at earths surface where gravity is STRONGEST (as shown empirically by opening a pressurized box inside of a vacuum chamber)

>You cant claim that gravity’s alleged effects on gas molecules exists when the Parabox empirically proves that there is no escape velocity to begin with. Gas molecules OBJECTIVELY escape up into a vacuum when they are exposed to one near the surface where gravity is said to be strongest. If gravity does not prevent gas molecules from Escaping into a vacuum near the surface, then why would it prevent them from escaping into a vacuum at higher altitudes where gravity is said to be weaker?

>>40382968
>Again, this is just a remedial reification fallacy known as begging the question. The gas molecules provably don’t need to reach “Escape velocity” to escape gravity and disperse into the vacuum chamber at earth’s surface where gravity is supposedly strongest. If gravity is incapable of preventing air pressure from escaping at the surface, it certainly wouldn’t be capable of preventing it from escaping into the alleged near infinite vacuum of space at higher altitudes where gravity is allegedly even weaker.

THIS is why the box kills the ball

>>40505775
>you are attempting to use the alleged effects of gravity (ie: escape velocity) as proof of the very thing that you are attempting to prove - gravity’s alleged effects.
How the hell else am I supposed to prove that the atmosphere won't jump into space, if I don't use gravity (the true explanation)?
>Gas molecules have 100% of the energy needed to escape into a comparatively weak vacuum when they are nearest the center of mass
This is literally just a lie; air moves at mach 1 (The speed of sound or ~343m/s in the troposphere), for context escape velocity (on earth) is 11,200m/s.
>If gravity does not prevent gas molecules from Escaping into a vacuum near the surface, then why would it prevent them from escaping into a vacuum at higher altitudes where gravity is said to be weaker?
because it's highly pressurised; The ambient air is directly (not gradually and not incrementally) next to a vacuum; if you allowed the gas to expand, given a low temperature, high radiative cooling and low heat environment (The escape velocity of air depends upon gravity; A tiny force in this context; If you have more mass, gravity...etc, you WILL have a higher escape velocity, just look at stars) it would oscillate, and then after some time... there would be an equilibrium.

>>40505775
>Gas molecules have 100% of the energy needed to escape into a comparatively weak vacuum when they are nearest the center of mass where gravity is said to be strongest and effecting them the most.
Just imagine for a second if we had 11,200 m/s winds on earth.

>>40506091
>How the hell else am I supposed to prove that the atmosphere won't jump into space, if I don't use gravity?
By showing actual empirical demonstrable evidence that gravity can prevent gas pressure from seeking equilibrium with a vacuum. If you cannot provide sufficient evidence for your claims, they’re just unsubstantiated beliefs.

>This is literally just a lie
TOPKEK! Your religious convictions have made you delusional. Objectively, gas pressure seeks equilibrium on earth. Open a soda or beer can… hear that noise? That’s the sound of your religion being falsified

>because it's highly pressurised
So is earth’s atmosphere

>The ambient air is directly (not gradually and not incrementally) next to a vacuum;
Picrel. If earth’s pressurized atmosphere really were adjacent to a 10^-17 TOR vacuum without being separated by a container, it would rush into the vacuum of space layer by layer starting at the highest altitudes and working its way downwards toward the surface until the entirety of earth’s atmosphere had been depleted into space. Upon being completely engulfed in a vacuum earth’s oceans would boil and be stripped away and earth would be left a desolate barren rock. You can actually demonstrate this process with actual scientific experimentation. Gravity has never been shown to prevent gas pressure from seeking equilibrium.

>given a low temperature, high radiative cooling and low heat environment
Already addressed this. The upper layers of the atmos allegedly have even more heat than the surface

>The escape velocity of air depends upon gravity
That’s why your answer is a remedial reification aka begging the question fallacy by definition.

>If you have more mass, gravity...etc, you WILL have a higher escape velocity
Regurgitating your religious dogma isn’t helping you here. What you need to provide is substantiating evidence to support your claims.

>just look at stars
Yet another remedial reification fallacy. See: >>40376105

>>40461501

>>40461501
>>40506522

>>40506266
The Parabox demonstrably proves gas molecules do not need to reach “escape velocity” in order to escape UP and into a vacuum. If gravity isn’t capable of preventing gas molecules from moving UP and into a vacuum nearest the surface where gravity is allegedly strongest, it wouldn’t be capable of prevent gas molecules from escaping UP and into the alleged vacuum of space at higher altitudes where gravity is allegedly weaker.

Observable, repeatable, empirical evidence of gas behavior, as dictated by the the most fundamental laws of physics, not only definitively falsifies the claim that earth's atmos can exist adjacent to a near infinite vacuum of space, it also perfectly illustrates why the entire heliocentric model stands contrary to the second law of thermodynamics. if gas disperses in a vacuum (as shown by literally every single demonstration involving gas pressure) how would gas molecules coalesce to form gas planets, stars or any other structural formations of collections of gas in the vacuum of space?

THIS is why the box kills the ball.

>>40506669
Mouf

>>40460212 (OP)
This thread is a fascinating study in the dunning-kruger effect at play
Bravo retards

>>40506781
SCIENCE TROL DETECTED.

SCIENCE DINDU NOTHIN
IT WAS US

>>40506302
>By showing actual empirical demonstrable evidence that gravity can prevent gas pressure from seeking equilibrium with a vacuum.
Given a large enough vacuum and strong enough gravity it will; Obviously less than a ton of gas isn't going to have much weight. Unless you can demonstrate that the speed of air at whatever height (in the atmosphere) can have it overcome gravity, then you have nothing.
>Objectively, gas pressure seeks equilibrium on earth.
Duh, now change one of the parameters i.e. gravity, so that the weight is incredibly high (talking about the weight of the gas), see how it WON'T fly off?
>So is earth’s atmosphere
Yes, because of gravity. Increase the gravity in the gas of the parabox i.e. big, the total mass or whatever, and you'll see it will cling onto that potential well.
>it would rush into the vacuum of space layer by layer starting at the highest altitudes
It would need to be going 11,200 m/s first. -_-
>Already addressed this. The upper layers of the atmos allegedly have even more heat than the surface
temperature*, but yes, it still isn't enough speed see --> >>40505720
>That’s why your answer is a remedial reification aka begging the question fallacy by definition.
No, it just follows from the premises.
>Regurgitating your religious dogma isn’t helping you here. What you need to provide is substantiating evidence to support your claims.
This follows from the premises also.

>>40505497
lol spot on

>>40482003
>hey james we gotta start drawing hands n feet already
>yea it's almost half a page right nao

>>40506821
>Given a large enough vacuum and strong enough gravity it will
This is just more unsubstantiated religious dogma contrary to all demonstrable evidence of gas behavior.

>Obviously less than a ton of gas isn't going to have much weight.
The box of air is on earth meaning that all of the alleged gravity generated by an entire planet should be affecting the air within the box, but it’s provably not. If all of the gravity generated by an entire planet cannot affect even a small amount of air, it certainly wouldn’t be able to affect a large amount of air either. Physics is scalable.

>Unless you can demonstrate that the speed of air at whatever height (in the atmosphere) can have it overcome gravity, then you have nothing.
That’s called a shifting of the burden of proof fallacy. You’re the one making the positive claim that gravity can prevent gas pressure from seeking equilibrium with a vacuum. In addition, your claim is contradictory to literally every single demonstration of gas behavior and contrary to the 2nd law of thermodynamics. so the burden of proof is on you to substantiate that claim; but you can’t, which is why you’re here just making baseless claims instead of providing empirical evidence.

>now change one of the parameters i.e. gravity,
You cannot change variable of gravity since it’s impossible to isolate the independent variable of magic bending space-time, which is why the theory of gravity is literally pseudoscience by definition. We can, however, isolate the variable of electrostatics and prove that it is the cause of the effect of the downward accelerative bias. See:
>>40442060
>>40451756
>>40392146
>>40392148

>so that the weight is incredibly high (talking about the weight of the gas), see how it WON'T fly off?
An inherent property of Gas molecules is that they move omnidirectionally. The Parabox proves that gas does not have enough weight to be prevented from escaping UP and into a vacuum.

>>40506821
>attempting to use escape velocity for the umpteenth time
Already addressed this many times itt and all of the previous threads linked in the OP. See:
>>40505775
>>40506669
Continuing to regurgitate your religious dogma instead of providing actual evidence of your claims is only further confirmation of your religious fanaticism.

>No, it just follows from the premises.
>This follows from the premises also.
XD
>we know gas molecules must reach escape velocity in order to escape into the vacuum of space bc gravity claims that it will prevent gas molecules from reaching escape velocity to prevent them from escaping into the vacuum of space.
Picrel. That’s literally the very definition of a begging the question fallacy. You can’t assume gravity’s effect on gas molecules as proof of gravity’s affect on gas molecules. That’s textbook petitio principii, circular logic.

>>40507357
>The box of air is on earth meaning that all of the alleged gravity generated by an entire planet should be affecting the air within the box, but it’s provably not. If all of the gravity generated by an entire planet cannot affect even a small amount of air, it certainly wouldn’t be able to affect a large amount of air either. Physics is scalable.
Well, no because Physics IS scalable, see picrel; If mass 1 is very high and 2 is very low you don't get much weight, however if both masses are great (5.15 × 10^18 kg for the atmosphere)
>That’s called a shifting of the burden of proof fallacy. You’re the one making the positive claim
The parabox doesn't STATE ANYTHING empirical, then?
>You cannot change variable of gravity since it’s impossible to isolate the independent variable of magic bending space-time
lmfao, engage with the hypothetical or concede the hypothetical.
>We can, however, isolate the variable of electrostatics
Oh no, electric universe? retardation is hitting the max level now.
>An inherent property of Gas molecules is that they move omnidirectionally.
No, if I have a single gas molecule in the Universe it won't magically start changing direction.

>>40507375
>Already addressed this many times itt and all of the previous threads linked in the OP. See:
And you were wrong every time.¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>XD
No response, hmmm?
>begging the question fallacy
Like I said "it follows from the premises", meaning: if gravity is real (it is) escape velocity definitely exists (centripetal vs centrifugal forces).

p.s. "Begging the question" doesn't apply here; the conclusion following the premises does NOT imply that the conclusion is within the premises
see --> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

>>40461479
It's true that they no longer have thr technology, and by that I mean Nazi
German rocket scientists holding a cig in one hand and the wrench in the other hand.

It was lost because they were so good at it they built it on the spot, no computers
No simulations
Just pure white excellence.

Nasa now is filled with low IQ non whites

So, yes.
The technology no longer exist

>>40507444
Chequed.

>If mass 1 is very high and 2 is very low you don't get much weight
Complete non sequitur. You cannot show ANY empirical evidence that gravity can prevent ANY amount of gas from seeking equilibrium with a vacuum. Also, gravity has been disproven even in your own paradigm, see:
>>40496037

>The parabox doesn't STATE ANYTHING empirical
The Parabox is an empirical demonstration of how gas behaves when exposed to a vacuum. See: >>40460254
I can show actual evidence for my claim of how gas behaves. You, on the other hand cannot. Your claims are unsubstantiated and contradictory to the laws of physics. If you could provide actual empirical demonstrable evidence to support your claim, you would, but you can’t, so you won’t; instead, you’ll just continue making baseless claims and regurgitating your religious dogma as if it’s proof of anything other than the severity of your indoctrination.

>engage with the hypothetical or concede the hypothetical.
You’re the one running away from engaging. You admittedly cannot control the variable of what you claim to be the cause of gravity. In addition, you can perform the Parabox with as big or as small of a container as you like and the gas will always seek equilibrium. If you’re claiming it won’t, then you would need to actually provide evidence for your claim. I’ve substantiated my positive claim, you haven’t (bc you can’t).

>Oh no, electric universe? retardation is hitting the max level now.
>muh ad Homs
Riveting. shitslinging hollow ad homs instead of addressing the actual argument just shows how little confidence you have that your position can stand on its own merit. Objectively, I can provide demonstrable evidence to support my claim of the cause of the downward bias, and you cannot (you should be noticing a pattern here). Address these posts or just concede that your belief system is pseudoscience by definition :
>>40442060
>>40451756
You won’t bc you can’t

>>40507444
>if I have a single gas molecule
it provably won’t be affected at all by gravity which is why gravity isn’t even a variable in Kinetic Molecular Theory of gas behavior.

>>40507599
>if gravity is real (it is) escape velocity definitely exists
That sentence you’ve just written is a textbook begging the question fallacy, and it’s the entire crux of your cope when faced with the Parabox. The fact that you don’t even notice what you’re doing indicates you don’t have even a rudimentary grasp of basic logic, which is incredibly evident in your posts.

>>40507714
>it provably won’t be affected at all by gravity which is why gravity isn’t even a variable in Kinetic Molecular Theory of gas behavior.
When the actual hell did i say a single molecule would have gravity; I was responding to: "An inherent property of Gas molecules is that they move omnidirectionally"
>That sentence you’ve just written is a textbook begging the question fallacy
Really, I already said: "the conclusion following the premises does NOT imply that the conclusion is within the premises"

>>40507701
>You cannot show ANY empirical evidence
I can't show any that you will accept; you will state that micro-gravity environments (like the vomit comet) are fake and that micro-gravity experiments (https://science.nasa.gov/biological-physical/stories/how-and-why-do-nasa-researchers-simulate-microgravity-on-earth/) are a conspiracy (gas behaves differently in micro-gravity, where it stretches out more, this proves that gravity plays a substantial role in keeping gas together.).
>You admittedly cannot control the variable of what you claim to be the cause of gravity.
You mean mass? Why would I need to control for mass?
>Riveting. shitslinging hollow ad homs instead of addressing the actual argument
An ad hominem isn't necessarily an insult; insults aren't always ad hominems
see --> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem#Abusive_ad_hominem It has to be an attack on the character specifically for the purpose of proving one wrong e.g. John has short arms. people with short arms are always wrong. John thinks apples exist; apples don't exist/John is wrong.

LMAO so true. FUCK SCIENCE

>>40460212 (OP)
what yer pic don't shows is at the sun's doing another spiral

>>40507842
why do you keep ignoring these posts?:
>>40442060
>>40451756
>>40392146
>>40392148
Could it possibly be bc you can’t actually address them yet you lack the intellectual honesty to concede the point so you’re just pretending they don’t exist and hoping nobody notices?…

>When the actual hell did i say a single molecule would have gravity;
according to your religion everything that has mass creates “gravity”. Also, you made the baseless claim that gas molecules are prevented from moving omnidirectionally by gravity. In observable reality however, one gas molecule certainly isn’t, and neither are two, and neither is an entire atmosphere of them.

>I was responding to: "An inherent property of Gas molecules is that they move omnidirectionally"
You claimed a single gas molecule wouldnt move omnidirectionally and objectively you’re wrong. A single gas molecule still moves omnidirectionally as long as it has kinetic energy which it doesn’t lose upon collision with other gas molecules or the walls of its container. It’s clear you’re just incredibly uneducated on the basic physics governing gas behavior.

>more misunderstandings of what a begging the question fallacy and ad hom is
Yea we get it, you don’t understand basic logic. No need to embarrass yourself further by continuing to ramble on about fallacies you lack the ability to even recognize.

>>40507842
>you will state that micro-gravity environments (like the vomit comet) are fake
Nice strawman. Yet another perfect example of your desperate dependence on logical fallacies to compensate for the obvious lack of substantive evidence for your claims.

I never claimed that gas wasn’t affected by the downward accelerative bias. Gas molecules do have weight bc they have mass. The issue for you is that they don’t have enough weight to prevent them from moving omidirectionally and escaping UP and into a vacuum. Your religion claims that the bending and warping of spacetime is causing the earth to accelerate up towards the gas molecules which prevents them from escaping into the vacuum of space. This is a laughably ridiculous claim on the face of it, but if you actually did want to attempt to scientifically substantiate it, you would first need to isolate the variable of “bending space time” and manipulate it to prove the cause of your claim (gravity) is responsible for the observable effect of things falling down. That’s how science works.

If you had actually read thru my posts you would know that I don’t dispute the downward bias which is responsible for the atmospheric pressure gradient:
>>40376139
>>40424504
>>40432590
>after opening a pressurized container inside of a larger vacuum chamber, there is a measurable and consistent pressure gradient both inside the open box and outside in the surrounding vacuum chamber?

> As the size of the vacuum chamber increases, and the relative size of the pressurized box gets smaller, the measurable gradient after opening the lid gets less and less, both inside the box and outside of the box in the surrounding vacuum chamber

>If you agree to this objective fact about gas pressure gradients, how can you deny that an open box of limited size (earth), when exposed to near infinite vacuum chamber (space) would result in no measurable gradient in the small box or in the surrounding near infinite vacuum?

>>40508928
I don't feel like reading more giberish right now, sorry.

>>40508928
>>40508956
>>40508957
and just like that, looks like we have yet another /sci/fag victim that has pulled a typical vanishing act, turned tail and ran away when he realized he was way out of his league and in way over his head.. there's one in every thread. met the same inevitable fate as the /sci/fag in the previous thread that attempted to take on the Parabox:
>>40448631
>>40460254

still waiting for at least one of these guys to show the slightest bit of intellectual honesty and just concede in good faith that they simply do not have an answer for the inherent contradictions within their worldview; but i suppose that's expecting far too much from such fervently religious zealots.

at the end of the day, THIS is why the box kills the ball.
Every. Single. Time.

>>40480119
>If I personally don't understand... well, then it can't happen!!
Regrettably trve for /x/isters

>>40477108
She is cute

Can you provide a map of flat earth?

>>40510158
I was sleeping, retard.
>>40508928
>according to your religion everything that has mass creates “gravity”.
obviously, but you said: "An inherent property of Gas molecules is that they move omnidirectionally"
I responded by stating: "if I have a single gas molecule in the Universe it won't magically start changing direction." which is true, but you started going on about gravity : ">if I have a single gas molecule
it provably won’t be affected at all by gravity"
I never said there would be gravity (although there is; it's irrelevant to ANYTHING I have said); you were responding to something I hadn't said.
>You claimed a single gas molecule wouldnt move omnidirectionally and objectively you’re wrong.
Do you mean atomically? yes, as long as it has temperature.
>which it doesn’t lose upon collision with other gas molecules or the walls of its container.
Not if the walls/other molecules are colder.
>ramble on about fallacies you lack the ability to even recognize.
For a start, read the wikipedias --> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem#Abusive_ad_hominem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petito_principii#Definition

>>40511148
I do not know who is more retarded, the one who tries to play chess with a pidgeon, or the pidgeon amusing the other with pointless HTTP traffic. Both of you are nothing but LLMs with thumbs.

>>40508956
>I never claimed that gas wasn’t affected by the downward accelerative bias. Gas molecules do have weight bc they have mass. The issue for you is that they don’t have enough weight to prevent them from moving omidirectionally and escaping UP and into a vacuum,
That's why you didn't respond to: "change one of the parameters i.e. gravity, so that the weight is incredibly high (talking about the weight of the gas), see how it WON'T fly off?" (not literally change by the way; It's just a hypothetical, although lighter gases like helium and hydrogen are incredibly more likely to be in the exosphere—obviously denser gases aren't)
>how can you deny that an open box of limited size (earth), when exposed to near infinite vacuum chamber (space) would result in no measurable gradient in the small box or in the surrounding near infinite vacuum?
earth isn't an "open box"; As the normal force does to gas in a box, so does gravity to air on earth.

>>40511207
I'm basically only replying to replies now, anyway.

How do compasses (campi) work on flerf?

Dinosaurs are dragons and biblical beasts

>>40511148
Heavier gases still will reach the exosphere, even in your own paradigm. All gases diffuse bc diffusion is just an inherent property of the gaseous state of matter. Even heavier gases will move omnidirectional UP and into a vacuum. For example, even bromine vapor, which is over 5.5x heavier than air, will still diffuse up and out of an open container and is not prohibited from moving omnidirectionally by gravity. Also, when exposed to a vacuum it immediately and violently seeks equilibrium, just like all gases, and just like earth’s atmosphere would if it were surrounded by a near infinite vacuum void of any physical containment. Here’s a DEMONSTRABLE EXAMPLE of gas behavior for you to support my assertions:
https://youtu.be/_oLPBnhOCjM

Notice how gravity does not prevent diffusion. Also, notice how I can provide DEMONSTRABLE EXAMPLES of my claims, whereas you’re just making baseless assertions backed by nothing more than your own religious dogma.

Practically everything you wrote in those two posts a complete non sequitur to the Parabox. The fact of the matter is that you cannot provide a single demonstrable example of gravity preventing gas pressure from seeking equilibrium when exposed to a vacuum. And its becoming painfully that you’re deflecting and continuing to gish gallop around bc you obviously can’t address these:
>>40442060
>>40451756
>>40392146
>>40392148

>>40511148
>>40511222
>>40513170
I’m just going to ask you point blank and if you don’t respond to each of these direct questions, I’ll take that as a concession:

1.) can you provide a single example of gas pressure existing without a container (claiming earth’s atmos or stars or planets is your only example would be a fallacy known as “begging the question” or a “reification fallacy”)

2a.) Can you produce even a single example of equally increasing lines of electric potential without the use of 2 Gaussian surfaces?

2b.) Can you provide a single example of a static sphere that has lineally increasing voltage potential rising from its surface instead of a voltage potential that is highest near the surface which attenuates at R squared?

3.) What specifically about picrel do you not understand? If there is an error in the assertions being outlined in picrel, can you specify what that error is..?

4.) do you agree that after opening a pressurized container inside of a larger vacuum chamber, there is a measurable and consistent pressure gradient both inside the open box and outside in the surrounding vacuum chamber? If you agree to this objective fact about gas pressure gradients, how can you deny that an open box of limited size (earth), when exposed to near infinite vacuum chamber (space) would result in no measurable gradient in the small box or in the surrounding near infinite vacuum?
If your answer is:
>As the normal force does to gas in a box, so does gravity to air on earth
DEMONSTRABLE EVIDENCE is required.

5.) if gas disperses in a vacuum (as shown by literally every single demonstration involving gas pressure) how would gas molecules coalesce to form gas planets, stars or any other structural formations of collections of gas in the vacuum of space?

6.) Can you provide a scientific experiment in which you’ve isolated the independent variable of “gravity”, varied it, and verified it to be the cause of the effect of the downward bias?

>>40511230
See:
>>40505775

>>40511286
The way they should

>>40511286
>>40513247
Not only are functioning compasses incompatible with a globe earth, the globe model doesn’t even have a viable explanation for how earth’s magnetic field exists to begin with considering a molten iron core is physically incapable of producing a magnetic field in the first place. It’s just yet another baseless claim by those who parrot the heliocentric globe dogma provided to them by their high priests of the church of scientism. iron loses its magnetic properties past the Curie point. Picrel.
Inb4:
>no no it’s the flow of the molten magma that causes the magnetic field
This is also just more pseudoscientific fairytale nonsense shoveled by the church of scientism. There is no empirical evidence which would suggest earth has a “core”, or that earth’s core is iron, or that earth’s magnetic field could be generated by a molten iron core. Pretty much everything people are taught about this reality is easily proven false with even the most surface level investigation into the supporting evidence for the claims being made. The problem is people don’t question what they’re told to believe. They think intelligence is defined by the ability to memorize and repeat what they’re told - and that’s exactly how the Rockefeller owned and operated education system was engineered to condition the masses to behave.

>>40510512
This has been addressed countless times in countless threads:
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40294514/#40339386

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40294514/#40341993

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40294514/#40345418

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40294514/#40342038

>>40513170
>Heavier gases still will reach the exosphere, even in your own paradigm.
Oxygen is less than 0.001% of the exosphere; hydrogen and helium are 3/4ths and 1/4 of the exosphere respectively.
>even bromine vapor, which is over 5.5x heavier than air, will still diffuse up
You think 5.5* is enough to be of gravitational significance?
>Here’s a DEMONSTRABLE EXAMPLE of gas behavior for you to support my assertions
I obviously agree.
>The fact of the matter is that you cannot provide a single demonstrable example of gravity preventing gas pressure from seeking equilibrium when exposed to a vacuum.
There isn't really anything massive enough to show; you'll claim anything in space is fake.
>>40513203
>can you provide a single example of gas pressure existing without a container (claiming earth’s atmos or stars or planets is your only example would be a fallacy known as “begging the question” or a “reification fallacy”)
Same as the last answer.
>Can you produce even a single example of equally increasing lines of electric potential without the use of 2 Gaussian surfaces?
Why would I care about Gaussian surfaces?
>Can you provide a single example of a static sphere that has lineally increasing voltage potential rising from its surface instead of a voltage potential that is highest near the surface which attenuates at R squared?
no, I'm not interested in electrodynamics, personally. BTW if you cared you would ask a PhD.
> If there is an error in the assertions being outlined in picrel, can you specify what that error is..?
The container size (I assume it also means the amount of gas) and If you decreased the temperature after expansion, gravity would pull it together. --> https://youtu.be/70-_GBymrck?t=450 (gas has mass, just less.)
>there is a measurable and consistent pressure gradient both inside the open box and outside
Yes (depending on instruments used and container size)

>>40465291
my nigga i can litterally see the curvature of the earth on a commerical airline

>>40513714
I don't think this is true; "but you need a fairly wide field of view (ie 60 degrees) and a virtually cloud-free horizon. The reality is that clouds, hills and mountains mean we rarely get to see the kind of perfectly flat horizon where the curve would be most obvious.

However, you can detect the curve of the Earth from ground level at the coast with a pair of binoculars – just look for distant ships on the horizon and you’ll see that their hulls start to disappear before their masts and other superstructure. Ancient Greek scientists, who spotted this without any optical aids, used this to conclude that the Earth was round."
From: https://www.howitworksdaily.com/how-high-do-you-have-to-go-to-see-the-curvature-of-the-earth/

>>40513203
>how would gas molecules coalesce to form gas planets
you already know the answer; tiny amounts of gas are not comparable to gas giants.
>Can you provide a scientific experiment in which you’ve isolated the independent variable of “gravity”, varied it, and verified it to be the cause of the effect of the downward bias?
As mass increases so does weight. No other model performs as well (bulk matter is electrically neutral; different types of metal, ferromagnetic, diamagnetic...etc don't perform differently under gravity [they would under Electric Universe] Faraday cages would make you float if gravity was electric..etc.).
>>40513227
>I'm a crusader against the evil scientific establishment on 4chan!
>>40513247
compasses are guided by Earth's magnetic field (they also have declination correction; You would need a compass without declination correction.)
>>40513281
> molten iron core is physically incapable of producing a magnetic field in the first place.
It's literally just electricity-based magnetic induction. --> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_induction
>>40513337
>duh UN

Flat Earthers will never be able to explain what the Southern Cross.

>>40462919
You really ask "chat" things and then trust that you're getting the truth in response?

That's concerning.

>>40505497
What subliminal do you think you've noticed?
And you fucking swear if you do.....
What? Finish the thought.

>>40506560
This doesn't work on anyone who isn't retarded.

>>40504810
>What are tortoises

>>40508956
haha, you're really into this, you're wrong, and you are wasting your life over it convincing no one that the earth is flat. Everyone thinks you're crazy now, even those who may have once respected you.
I hope for your sake this is a closet thing you keep to yourself. It's lonely I'm sure to be one of you poor fools.

>>40515616
>Illegal to deny
>2.281
>not possible today

>>40510266
Flat earth theory is really just as silly and inconsequential to the real world as cat videos though.
Both are watched as pure entertainment not to be taken seriously.

>>40515635
Sure it's possible. We don't cremate people in a hurry or in groups anymore. That's why you can't reduce things like that to such simple terms. That's why it doesn't work on non retards.

>>40515469
AIEEEEEE SAVE ME FED-SAN

>>40460212 (OP)
What about that event last year when some flat Earthers were sent to the South Pole for free so they could video the Sun never going down? Doesn't that prove flerf is wrong?

>>40515648
>possible
kek

>>40515697
They are genuinely retarded, you don't even need to see the sun during summer. All you have to do is go to the other hemisphere and observe the stars moving around a different celestial pole. That's all the observation you need, it would be impossible for a flat earth model to have two poles. Especially when in their models they place Oceania so far away from South America.

>>40515700
Dumb Nazi citing 4chan as evidence, lol

>>40515729
These silly schizos would sooner believe there are massive projectors and huge screens 2,000 miles wide put there by all of the governments working together to shield us from 'the truth'.
It's truly fascinating if you can put off how concerning it is that people are so insane.

>>40515953
No real reply; Thank you, your silence has only helped my point. ;)

>>40515970
We had a growing flat earth community a few years ago. But they quickly dies off in popularity, problably there's a few schizos left. I think the fact that most flat earth foolery came from the northern hemisphere, and it obviosuly didn't match with what we observe of the land and the sky in the south, it ran out of gas.
You need to have a high level of paranoia and schizophrenic thoughts to believe in flat earth in the southern hemisphere.

>>40460212 (OP)
>personal incredulity fallacy
Creationism is probably true though.

>>40516107
>Creationism is probably true though.
NO, definitely not :|

>>40513641
>Oxygen is less than 0.001% of the exosphere; hydrogen and helium are 3/4ths and 1/4 of the exosphere
Another non sequitur. You’re supposed to be providing demonstrable evidence that gravity can prevent the gas pressure of earth’s atmosphere from diffusing UP and into a vacuum. spamming non sequiturs and avoiding the point isnt helping you here.

>You think 5.5* is enough to be of gravitational significance?
Lol! It’s 5.5x more than enough. If gravity can’t prevent something 5.5x heavier than air from diffusing up, it’s certainly not going to be able to prevent air from diffusing up and into a 10^-17 Torr vacuum

>There isn't really anything massive enough to show; you'll claim anything in space is fake.
If the best you can do when asked to substantiate your claim of the existence of gravity and the vacuum of space is to resort to reifying your own religious dogma with a textbook begging the question fallacy that’s pretty much a concession. gg.

>Why would I care about Gaussian surfaces?
Bc your claim that earth is a sphere which is not physically contained is falsified by the properties of earth's measurable electric field which require 2 parallel gaussian surfaces to be perpendicular to the electric field within physical containment. I’ve also proven the cause of the downward bias via the use of the 2nd Gaussian surface. gas pressure on earth provably requires physical containment (the firmament) and the only way to have a downward bias on earth is with physical containment (the firmament). This directly refutes your claims about gravity and the vacuum of space. in addition, a static charged spherical Earth would mean that the voltage potential is highest nearest the surface and attenuates according to R squared - not vice versa and lineally, as we observe. Since the field does not fall off in accordance with radial distribution, this is another property of the field which completely falsifies your position. that's gg.

>>40513641
Flat earthers can show indisputable proof of the firmament (containment) via the fact that earth’s electric field requires a 2nd Gaussian surface.
You have no proof of the vacuum of space, only appeals to authority, which you;ve already admitted with your concession that you have no demonstrable examples to support your assertions of gravity's effect on gas pressure.

I can show with scientific experimentation that electrostatics, density and buoyancy are responsible for the downward bias. You claim that space and time are bending and warping to cause things to go down but that you admittedly can’t actually prove it and you also admit that your predictions of how gravity works are 97% incorrect but you still believe it anyways.

Once again, flat earthers can actually substantiate our claims. Globe zealots admittedly cannot.

>no, I'm not interested in electrodynamics, personally.
I’ll take that as a concession as well.

>BTW if you cared you would ask a PhD.
I have. PhD physicists come onto aether cosmology discord and debate this topic regularly. Here’s an example of a PhD CERN physicist debating this exact topic. I’ll let you be the judge of how well he fared against the same questions I’ve asked you:

#FEF Ep.79 Gaussian Surfaces Part I. @WitsitGetsIt vs PhD CERN Physicist:
https://youtu.be/iXTsXkUAyJU

>The container size
you already admitted you can't substantiate your claim that gravity will prevent gas from seeking equilibrium with a vacuum so the container sized is irrelevant? your empirically baseless religious beliefs hold no weight.

>If you decreased the temperature
Another non sequitur. We’ve been over this already. There is more heat in the upper layers of the atmos. More heat = more kinetic energy.

>gravity would pull it together.
You’ve already conceded that you can’t provide proof of gravity pulling gas molecules together, and that it’s just a religious belief you hold.

>>40513641
>muh cavendish
Cavendish is pseudoscience by definition - Cant isolate what you claim to be gravity to prove it as the cause. Also you can’t control for the variable of electrostatics, and even if you could, the cavendish experiments and those like it do not produce consistent results. Students performing the cavendish experiment for example are typically instructed to throw out any results that disagree with the expected conclusion. They incorporate cooking of the books into the very methodology of the experiment itself to make it appear as if it’s conclusion valid, but it’s obviously not.

>>40513963
>you already know the answer; tiny amounts of gas are not comparable to gas giants.
Physics is scalable. If it doesn’t happen on a small scale, it’s not happening on a large scale either. How would a large gas planet ever start forming if all of the gas particles are dispersing rather than moving toward eachother? It’s obviously nonsense. Your religious beliefs are contrary to actual empirical demonstrable proof of gas behavior,

>As mass increases so does weight.
That’s a non sequitur to the question I asked you.

>No other model performs as well
TOPKEK! See:
>>40463337
>>40496037
Your model of gravity is admittedly off by 97% on the cosmological scale, 100% on the quantum scale, and can’t even explain observations within our own “solar system” such as Mercury’s perihelion shift. That’s as bad as it gets in terms of performance.

>bulk matter is electrically neutral; different types of metal, ferromagnetic, diamagnetic...etc don't perform differently under gravity [they would under Electric Universe]
Straw man. Already addressed that here:
>>40395107

>Faraday cages would make you float if gravity was electric..etc.).
Another blatant strawman. Faraday cages admittedly don’t completely eliminate electrostatics. Literally all molecular and intermolecular matter is electrostatic in nature. You cannot name a single piece of matter which isn’t. The faraday cage itself is electrostatic ffs. You can literally never remove its effects.

>>40513963
>they also have declination correction
According to your model there are declination corrections below the 60th south parallel that are close to 180 degrees, meaning when the compass says it’s pointing north, the globe model wants you to believe its actually pointing south in the exact opposite direction. Its not something that you can actually investigate and confirm for yourself of course since, conveniently for the globe deception, due to the Antarctic treaty, we are not allowed to independently and freely explore below the 60th south parallel:

Sorry, Antarctica is Closed - Preventive Measures Against Independent and Free Exploration Below the 60th South Parallel::
https://youtu.be/SmYRFtY_jfQ

The magnetic declination claims are yet another method of hiding the true shape of our realm. Educate yourself:
No Magnetic Declination on the Flat Earth - PART 1:
https://youtu.be/YvZ3tMqyjHo

> It's literally just electricity-based magnetic induction
>can’t provide any empirical evidence for the claimed cause of the magnetic field in his model
>links to Wikipedia instead

lol. Yes, the current geodynamo model claims that Earth’s magnetic field is static charge that's generated from the friction caused by the motion of the convection currents (which allows them to claim that they can ignore the curie point issue), but it's unproven and 100% theoretical science that they invented just for their geodynamo model, that they are still having a hard time modeling, to this day. In other words, just like their claimed cause of gravity, the claimed cause of the magnetic field is pseudoscience by definition.

>>40513963
>>40516633
The geodynamo model has been a shitshow since its inception and never actually successfully shown to even be possible. Educate yourself:
Dynamo Theory - The Problem of the Geodynamo - Harvard University:
https://courses.seas.harvard.edu/climate/eli/Courses/EPS281r/Sources/Earth-dynamo/more/Gill-2006.pdf

Slides:
https://courses.seas.harvard.edu/climate/eli/Courses/EPS281r/Sources/Earth-dynamo/more/Gill-slides.pdf

Planetary Magnetic Dynamo Theories: A Century of Failure PDF:
https://digitalcommons.cedarville.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1212&context=icc_proceedings

>Debating the Geodynamo:
https://odysee.com/@toby.walker:6/debating-the-geodynamo:4

The geodynamo model is incompatible with the current explanation for the earth's electric field:
https://odysee.com/@toby.walker:6/earth's-electric-field:a

Schooling Globers - Episode 34 (The Core of the Globe Belief):
https://www.youtube.com/live/lTIFsHH5i6U

The truth is that the furthest anyone has ever dug is less than 8 miles (the Kola Superdeep borehole) and they tried to predict what they would encounter each layer they dug thru and were WRONG every single step of the way. That’s not controversial conspiracy talk either, that’s just what happened according to the official story; you can even read about it on the Wikipedia page if you’d like.

So even with all so their fancy tech and models (pseudoscience by definition) they couldn’t even predict the composition of even one single layer before penetrating it. They were literally wrong about what they predicted they’d encounter every single mile they dug thru. 8 miles deep into a spheroid with a radius of 3959 miles is the equivalent of going halfway deep thru the skin of an apple and you’re saying you think they/you know what is at the CENTER OF THE EARTH all the way at the core? Fuck me you plebs are gullible as shit if you actually believe what you’re being told by these lying fucks.

>>40513714
No you can’t. That would be geometrically impossible given the dimensions that they tell us the alleged ball earth is. On a sphere with a radius of 3959miles, you would literally have to be higher than the iss (250+ miles) above the sphere in order to see any curvature. That’s according to basic geometry and it’s the opinion of astrophysicist Neil Degrass Tyson and also many other credentialed physicists. If you think you saw curvature at from air plane then you’re in disagreement with all of the most credentialed high priests of your own globe religion and flat earthers alike.

If you wanna hear Neil Degrass Tyson say it himself, you can listen to him explaining how the fish eye lens was responsible for the “curvature” people believed they saw in the Felix Baumgartner redbull jump (24 miles in altitude). He clearly states that from. 24 miles up, much higher than cruising altitude of an airplane, you wouldn’t be able to see any curvature. He says:

>that stuff is flat!
Skip to 1:55 in this vid:
https://youtu.be/3GnUKEHC-LA

I don’t have the full clip but you can easily find it on jewtube.

maybe you saw picrel and mistakenly thought it was curvature of the earth

tldr; you’re provably wrong and nobody agrees with you, even other globe zealots.

>>40513740
>Boats over the horizon
This baby’s first flat earth question has already been addressed countless times in countless threads, most recently in the thread linked in the OP. Educate yourself:

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40294514/#40344761

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40294514/#40344789

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40294514/#40344834

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40294514/#40344892

>>40515469
>open pastebin
https://pastebin.com/jk2hAdmh
>ctrl+f: “southern” or “star”
>see section tilted “SKY OPTICS, STAR TRAILS & THE CELESTIAL POLES”
>proceed to educate yourself
Also Shane St. Pierre’s has dozens of vids on this topic. Check out his channel:
https://youtube.com/@shanestpierre

>>40510512
>>40513337
https://youtu.be/vEzwJby5QnU

https://youtu.be/bl9z1quEr_c

https://www.youtube.com/live/OjyDko4EaPk

https://www.youtube.com/live/uqoLGjH9QBw


>>40504782
https://youtu.be/bV4IlnvQgRo

>>40515697
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/501293316/#501302975
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/501293316/#501303868

Also,
>open pastebin
https://pastebin.com/jk2hAdmh
>type “ctrl”
>type “TFE”

>>40515729
search pastebin as instructed itp: >>40516656

>>40516036
Picrel. From 2019 to 2024 the number of flat earthers in Brazil went up from 7% to 20%. And that’s despite overt censorship of flat earth on all mainstream platforms (see: >>40435871) and constant paid globe shills continually combatting the spread of flat earth info. More and more people waking up every day. Can’t stop the truth.

>>40516107
There is literally not a single piece of exclusive evidence that suggests the earth is revolving around the sun, or in motion at all for that matter. Geocentrism has been proven, you just dont know yet bc your religion has hidden the truth from you in order to control your perception of this reality and your place in it. Educate yourself:
>>40463337
>>40498858
>>40498875
>>40498953

>>40516107
>>40516118
You can use the first two laws of thermodynamics to prove the existence of God. Educate yourself:
https://www.youtube.com/live/RaABCbxDLmc

https://www.youtube.com/live/5qq4Ov-hSGE

>>40515632
kek! I have a wife who is also a flat earther and both of our beautiful children are being raised to pursue truth as we do - prioritizing critical thought and rejecting systems of indoctrination which demand blind adherence to dogmatic belief structures. My brother and mom are flat earthers and some of my best friends are flat earthers as well. All of my coworkers, family and friends know my views, and it hasn’t caused any problems socially or personally for me. On the contrary most people are curious about topic and open to talking about it with me bc I am well respected in my community and able to communicate my views in a manner which most find fascinating and intriguing, even if they don’t agree with me. Yea a few people at my work think I’m crazy but they’re the same type of people that bought into the plandemic and think there’s nothing wrong with being vaxxed, boosted and masked up. Why would I care what literal NPCs think? The flat earthers i kno are some of the most happy, fulfilled and loving people you would ever meet. Knowing the truth about this reality and your place in it is freeing and more empowering than you can fathom. I have no doubt that your entire post is nothing but pure projection. You’re more than likely alone and miserable yourself which is why you’re wasting your time on a Cambodian basket weaving forum attempting to shame an anonymous stranger for having a different view than you. You give off the impression of someone who is incredibly pathetic and deeply frustrated. I honestly pity you.

>>40489689
what about that is inherently absurd when motion is observably relative?
>jump in moving elevator
>go just as high as I always do

>>40516656
You link this in your post.
>https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40294514/#40344834
I'm asking you (or others flatties) a simple question: Do you really believe pic related its true?

>>40515606
No, I'm not feeding an AI bot.
go fuck yourself.

>>40460212 (OP)
>>40516744

what is gravity? and why do we fall downwards and not sideways? what is this "pulling down" energy? why we fall? i know that "gravity" is nonsense. so what is this "Pulling down" force? i just want to know the truth.

>>40517494
Magnets
very elaborate and subtle magnets

>>40517528
Not just pulling down. Various interpolating states from big space magnets or secret government magnets or invisible tri-pole perpetual motion magnets
How do they work and can you buy them/make them(magnets)

>>40517188
Just read thru the replies to that post in the archived thread you just linked to ffs:

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40294514/#40348321

>I’ve done a similar experiment for myself with bricks at home a Home Depot. Picrel is literally pics from the experiment I conducted myself. You can do the same version:
>go to home depot where you have at least 100 ft of level flat floor
>stack 3 bricks on top of one another
>walk 100 ft away from the 3 bricks
>put your camera on the floor or lie down on the floor and look at the stack of bricks in the distance
>notice that the bottom brick will be partially hidden due to perspective

>Also, I personally have spoken with this guy who filmed this experiment in his warehouse:
https://youtu.be/Rj7VCwzudlc

>As you can see, objects do disappear from the bottom up when viewed from a distance, even when they are below the observer’s eye level. his experiment also proves that the same visual effects seen during a sunset can also be replicated on a small scale by anyone with a long enough flat floor and a flashlight. Of course you’ll constantly see posts like these: >>40339968 claiming that the camera has to be positioned below a table for an object disappear bottom up due to perspective, but anyone who is actually willing to put in the effort and perform their own experiments can discover the truth for themselves rather than relying on the word of others, like me and Zach who filmed the video I’ve linked to above.

Globe zealots can’t into basic perspective.

>>40516977
It’s not. Newtons bucket.

>>40517494
Just read thru the thread ffs this has been discussed ad naseum in the very thread you’re posting in, and all of the threads linked in the OP:
>>40392146
>>40392148
>>40442060
>>40451756

>>40517653
So, to make it clear, do you think that pic is real?
Yes or no?

>>40516616
>avoiding the point isnt helping you here.
Hydrogen and helium are NOT abundant in the general atmosphere; If only trace light gasses can get into the exosphere (at more than 1%), then it doesn't seem too energetically easy.
>If gravity can’t prevent something 5.5x heavier than air from diffusing up
Why do you think that diffusion somehow gives gas enough energy to not be affected (to a significant degree) by "downwards accelerative bias"?
>Another non sequitur. We’ve been over this already. There is more heat in the upper layers of the atmos. More heat = more kinetic energy.
So? I was talking about keeping the gas from having a high expansive force.
>grabity is dumb.jpg
If you chopped the birds wings off and made it as heavy as water (1000kg/M^3), would it still fly?
>How would a large gas planet ever start forming if all of the gas particles are dispersing
They don't; People have used spectroscopy to find out what gasses are on these planets.
>>40516636
>how
"THEY" can use seismic/geological activity.
>>40516656
Seeing an effect of something (Earth's curvature) isn't the same as seeing it (although it is evidence).
>>40516687
I wonder why? unrelated ---> https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-iq-by-country (Use lynn/becker 2019)

>>40517788
are you literally a literal illiterate?

>>40516693
>theory that make me feel good is true
>theory that make me feel bad is false

>>40460229
Your IQ is orders of magnitude lower than you think it is and you simply have multiple mental disorders, sorry bro. You're so close yet so far away, that's the saddest part..
Not going to bother 'debating' you, by the way, so don't waste your ugly breath responding to me. Deluded narcissists are a waste of time.

>>40518630
>lynn's estimate
LOL

>>40520700
His 2019 one.

>>40520692
black pot

>>40518630
>can’t provide actual empirical evidence
>spams more non sequiturs and appeals to pseudoscientific religious dogma
>skates past 95% of the points in the posts he’s replying to bc he cant address them but lacks the intellectual honesty required to just concede
Yea you’re done son.

>Spectroscopy
Laboratory spectroscopy, whether emission or absorption, requires a controlled environment where you know the medium, and a reference sample to compare the observed spectra. Stellar spectroscopy takes place in an uncontrolled environment in a medium (outer space) that is unknown and is a thermodynamics violation on its face. Also, nobody has a reference sample from another planet or star. Stellar spectroscopy is pseudoscience by definition.

>seismic/geological activity
Doesn’t tell you anything about what’s under the surface, as outlined in the very post you’re replying to. When attempting to predict the composition of the layers as they dug the deepest hole ever dug, Kola Superdeep Borehole, they were admittedly wrong every single layer they encountered and that was less than 8 miles or <0.19% of the alleged distance to the earth’s core. The claim that seismic/geological activity can tell us what is beneath the surface is provably false and pseudoscientific by definition.

Again, you have nothing but pseudoscientific religious dogma which you’ve never even looked into yourself. Of course, the vast majority of those who adhere to the doctrine of scientism do not even bother to personally investigate the claims made by their high priests; they simply hear a phrase such as “spectroscopy” or “parallax” or “Cavendish” or “seismic activity” and blindly believe what they’re told to think without even the slightest bit of research into the methodology behind the jargon they’re so easily impressed with.

>>40520336
Why you avoid the question?
Do you really think that things "go down" at 20 feet because that's how perspective works, and therefore, that pic's real?
Yes or no?
If this question makes you feel uncomfortable we can end this here. You decide.

>I set up electrically charged plates inside a building and caused gravity inside that building to reverse.. UP was DOWN,.. I freefall to the ceiling.
Gravity is not electrostatics, you fucking moron.

>>40522719
See: >>40517653

>>40523743
>muh ad homs
Riveting.

>>40524127
>Muh bullshit claims so EASY TO PROVE IF TRUE..
Where is the reverse gravity room, Dickhead?

>>40524116
I'm not asking you about your photo at Home Depot or your conversation with that guy.
I'm asking you about this pic here >>40517188 that you posted in another thread. Please lets focus on that pic. Is it real? You only have to say YES or NO. Simple question, simple answer.
I dont want to misunderstand your answer, that's why i'm asking you a direct question.
Remember: yes or no.

In my teens I liked building model rockets, and eventually got a license for some big launches. It's easy to disprove the flat earth theory with video evidence. Is having a hobby propaganda?

>>40460212 (OP)
Sci-tards will never recover

>>40524769
lmao, wrong.
If satellites in low Earth orbit reduced velocity to zero, then they'd fall to Earth.

>>40524784

>>40524769
Tell me you don't have an education without telling me you don't have an education.

How are you this fucking stupid?

>>40524814
>I just realized I'm a retard posting retardation
>REEEEEE CIA!!

>>40524784
Well the satellites are WRONG

>>40524680
See: >>40516644
You didn’t see earth curvature with a little model rocket. Even those within your own religion would disagree with your claim. Also, It is important to realize that all optics have a limit to how far they can see, including cameras and our own eyes. This limit is equidistant from the point of observation, which means that the extent of the limit of our vision literally creates a curved circle around the observer which can give the impression of a curve; this is not actually a physical curve, but rather just the limit to how far you can see in all directions.

>>40517188
>>40517788
>>40522719
>>40524450
I don’t know. Pictures can be faked and I didn’t take that specific picture myself, so it’s conceivable, tho I don’t think likely, that it’s faked. 20 feet is a very short distance and it looks like it’s a wooden floor which could be prone to warping when exposed to moisture over time, which could effect the results of the observation. I think Zach’s experiment classifies as a much better demonstrable empirical evidence of perspective than that picture does:
https://youtu.be/Rj7VCwzudlc

Even tho I personally have spoken with Zach and do trust his setup and methodology, I also place immense value on repeatability and independent verification. That’s why I performed the experiment myself and posted my own results in the archived thread. if you really are interested in learning about the effects of perspective yourself, I would advise you perform your own experiments and attempt to confirm for yourself. As I have said many times in this thread and all of the threads linked in the OP:

>I urge everyone reading: DONT BELIEVE ME! I happen to be telling you the truth, but how could you even know that just from seeing my posts??

>You’d be absolutely moronic to just blindly believe anyone about the topic of where you are, what this reality is, and for what purpose you were put here. ffs, you don’t have to believe flat earthers. Get off your ass and go outside and test the globe’s claims for yourself. That is the ONLY way to become a real flat earther. Go try to confirm what you were told about this world. If you do, you will quickly realize that you were lied to.

>>40524148
You would have to introduce an incredible amount of electric charge in order to overcome the buoyant force of something with the weight and density of a person bc that that interaction of the pressure median is so much stronger than the 10 micro micro amps per meter
of charge creating the downward bias in the first place. The lighter the object is, the more feasible it will be, bc the less charge you would have to introduce. As stated times already, physics is scalable, so if we can prove it happens on the small scale we’ve proven it can happen everywhere.

I’ve already addressed this topic exhaustively in this thread and the previous one, but if you still want more information on it refer to the section titled:
“EARTH'S ELECTRIC FIELD DEBUNKS THE GLOBE” in the pastebin:
https://pastebin.com/jk2hAdmh

There are many vids in that section that will help you to to gain a more complete understanding the concepts being discussed. For example, this is a good one to start with:

Gravity is Electric - How Earth's Electric FieldProvablyis the Cause of the Measurable Downward Bias - GLOBEBUSTERS LIVE:(timestamped at 1:12:10):
https://www.youtube.com/live/sy4Yubg3Jjk?t=4330

>>40524769
Earth's gravity extends past the Sun in the globe model you think you're citing (I suspect you are a troll).

>>40524784
You can easily prove with a simple demonstration involving a box and a vacuum chamber that the medium in which “low earth satellites” are claimed to exist within is a 2nd law of thermodynamics violation. See:
>>40460254
>>40502591

Your belief in LEO is nothing more than religious fanaticism, by definition - you have blind faith in the written doctrine of men despite the fact that their claims stand contrary to literally all empirically verifiable evidence.

>>40525688
Earth’s gravity, as it’s currently defined, doesn’t exist at all. Just read thru the thread ffs. Einsteinian and Newtonian Gravity have been completely bodybagged.

All of cosmology is designed to hide that we are literally floating in the astral plane right now. "space" = the astral plane and it is nothing like how they portray it. imagine the astral plane according to /x/, that is how it is actually in "space". it's purely magical and spiritual. you can physically travel to the astral plane right now if you just flew high enough to exit "the grid". the grid is part of the system that blocks 99% of astral frequencies reaching earth creating a false subset of reality and we think that's all their is. once you exit the grid in a rocket or something you have an instant psychic/spiritual awakening and gain all the powers associated with the astral realm.

>>40528129
that's how conspiracies that sound schizo by stating things like "the US government has soldiers and vehicles stationed in the astral plane!!" are possible. its true. they physically traveled outside the grid into the astral plane, in ships, the reptilians allowed them to be there in service to them.

>>40528137
the universe is similar to how many religions state it is: 12(?) concentric rings with each ring being further from god, and god at the center. each farthest ring more devoid of god's light and a worse place to be. earth being 2(?) rings away from the worst outer ring. you can't enter the better rings unless your spiritual "wavelength" is high enough. the reptilians can not venture beyond this current ring. they are the apex predators of this ring but can not leave it. humans can because our souls arent as evil. when you have dreams sometimes you are astral projecting into the next ring where there are no reptilians and you can manifest almost whatever you want, and sometimes you are still astral projecting into this current ring.

>>40528137
the soldiers stationed outside the grid, inside the astral plane (which the earth is floating within, and not separate from) fall into 2 categories: ones that submit to daily memory wipes and mental conditioning to keep their psychic/spiritual powers from manifesting by mind controlling and hypnotizing them into the thinking they're just regular humans. and the psychic super soldier program where they allow some soldiers to develop psychic powers and when they've done their mission they'll be mind wiped, hypnotized, etc, back into "regular humans with no powers", and often sent back to earth here.

>>40504782

>>40526878
>You can easily prove with a simple demonstration involving a box and a vacuum chamber that the medium in which “low earth satellites” are claimed to exist within is a 2nd law of thermodynamics violation. See:
BULLSHIT. You're a schizo retard.
Anything in space above Earth is attracted to Earth.. Satellites stay in orbit because they're in a continual freefall.

GRAVITY keeps the atmosphere on Earth. YOU have no experiment duplicating your shit for brains claims.
Your bullshit memes show both the vacuum and non-vacuum containers at the same altitude experiencing the same gravity.. Gravity has no fucking effect on your schizo experiment.

>>40526903
Freefall upwards, bullshit artist schizo.

>>40525650
So, even though there is already enough electrostatic field force to generate a 9.8m/s downward acceleration.. AND that electrostatic force is hardly even perceivable.. IT would however requires many many many orders of magnitude of opposite polarity electrostatic field force to null it out or even reverse bias it?

So, it all works imperceptibly in one direction BUT is many many many many orders of magnitude in the opposite direction so as to claim not being possible to generate? Even within the small confines of an enclosed space?

Keep shitposting, retard.

>>40525650
>https://www.youtube.com/live/sy4Yubg3Jjk?t=4330
caused by mass differences in air density.. Nothing to do with electrostatics, retard.

AND magnetics is not electrostatics..

>>40525650
>https://www.youtube.com/live/sy4Yubg3Jjk?t=4330
interferometer weight changes in a fixed mass is caused by mass differences in air density.. Nothing to do with electrostatics, retard.

AND magnetics is not electrostatics..

>>40525650
Hermetically sealed container hat is electrostatically shielded from the outside and has wire lengths inside it to short out any electrostatic gradient potential within it... STILL experiences gravity inside itself..

There is NO magic box with gravity inside itself NULLED out..

Take Meds.

>>40525650
Hermetically sealed container hat is electrostatically shielded from the outside and has wire lengths inside it to short out any electrostatic gradient potential within it... STILL experiences gravity inside itself..

There is NO magic box with gravity inside itself NULLED out.....

Take Meds.

>>40525619
>tho I don’t think likely, that it’s faked. 20 feet is a very short distance and it looks like it’s a wooden floor which could be prone to warping when exposed to moisture over time, which could effect the results of the observation.

I don't think you see the problem here. Anyone who sees that photo knows that it is not real, there is no need to reproduce it, because people have experience and memories that tell them that this is not possible, unless the floor is defective. We all have laid on the ground at some time and looked around and know that perspective doesn't work as you say. It is very easy to check. That's the first thing you should have done, since you say not to believe anyone for what he says, but instead, you invite him to your youtube channel to talk to him. Above all, when someone answers you with a photo showing that it was false, you simply said that he may not have placed the camera properly. You have a tendency to believe what suits you.

On the other hand, did you ever think that the floor of the Home Depot might not be completely flat? Or because it showed what you thought it had to show you just accepted it? Or maybe you've redone the experiment and found out it was all a lie, or maybe you've always known and are just trying to fool others.
Pic related is a photo taken from the other basket, almost 100 feet. You can clearly see the base of the pole.
Your “perspective” is not real. It doesn't make sense, why would the floor appear to “rise” towards the center of the picture and then “fall”? What if instead of the floor it is a very long wall? Or the ceiling of a long corridor? It will seem to “go down” towards the center of the picture, but then “go up” again? Does it only affect the floor?

>>40525650
>https://www.youtube.com/live/sy4Yubg3Jjk?t=4330
>Even a Faraday Cage won't shield the insides from external fields
>i've done this and proven it true..

Bullshit.

>>40504782
>pic rel
that shadow casting on the globe model would happen if the sun was smaller and closer to earth

>>40529001
>there is no
Thats not for you to decide.
>medposting
Eat shit, slice your wrists and neck yourself.

>>40529159
>Thats not for you to decide.
Its simple electrostatics... inside a heavily shielded and shorted out container..
NOW demonstrate your claims or Fuck OFF.

>Eat shit, slice your wrists and neck yourself.
PROVE your simple claims, shit for brains.

>>40525650
>Muh electrostatic anti-gravity spaceship...
MEDS

>>40529192
I don’t owe you shit, faggot.

>>40529210
Why do you act like random people magically care your thoughts and feelings?

>>40529219
Its a public forum..
Take the heat, or fuck off back to the safe solitude of your mommy's basement.

>>40529213
shit for brains schizo thinks gravity is electrostatics.

MEDS.

>>40529233
Follow your own advice, dirty turdworlder

>>40529241
>treating official narrative like word of god
Lets not pretend that you have brains

>>40529269
lmao, uneducated schizo nutcase goes REEEE!!
Pick up a charged capacitor and fly away, schizo.

>>40529274
I didn't say anything about the official narrative, dumbass.. I only stated your electrostatic anti-gravity spaceship is uneducated schizophrenia.

>>40529284
>retard literally can’t properly read
Even chatgpt is more intelligent.
Beyond pathetic.

>>40529292
>yeh, there really is an electrostatic anti-gravity spaceship..
NO, you're a schizo peddling shizophrenia.

>>40529284
>I didn't say
>I only stated
I don’t give a fuck, faggot.
>uneducated
Oh, so trans”woman” are woman to you, faggot?
>muh wrongthinkeria
Why are you so obssesed with purity of thought and being idealogically correct, don’t you have a more important things to do or you are THIS lifeless loser?

>>40529309
>I don't care if you pointed out how schizo my claims are..
>Let me talk about trans "woman", I know about this from my own personal gender issues.
>Why are on this thread disputing my schizo claims? Can't you just let me spew my schizophrenia uncontested?

>>40481934

>>40481934
out of africa theory is wrong, european nations don't have dna of modern africans

>>40490238
Literally means nothing. Things have similar DNA because they literally have to in order to function as a living organism and fit into their niche. Some are slightly different because they do something similar to another creature but require a specification like a different leg length or a different fin shape, etc. None of this would be so seamless if it happened randomly all on its own.

>>40516977
That being a thing doesn't mean the earth is flying through space at 66 gazillion miles an hour. A principal existing does not mean it necessarily proves any idea about something else true.

>>40493830
I honestly don't think it's so cut and dry. The true nature of our reality is very likely way more trippy than we know. It might be infinite land in every direction, as well as the waters above, or maybe not? It could loop around like an infinite wrap-around portal loop or something. I don't doubt it would be hard to comprehend if we actually did see it with our eyes.

>>40496446
>Nasa gets $70 million a day
Insane. And it's all going to underground bunkers, not "space". Its literally the opposite direction of what they claim, funny isn't it?

>>40529002
>muh cherry-picked picture taken from an unspecified altitude and most likely on an uneven spot on the concrete proves that perspective doesn’t exist!
TOPKEK! Educate yourself on perspective and then go find some level ground in a proper test-setting for observations and retest it yourself:

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40294514/#40344761

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40294514/#40344789

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40294514/#40344834

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40294514/#40344892

>>40528842
>continues to regurgitate his religious dogma as if it’s proof of anything other than his own indoctrination.
Riveting.

>>40528937
>if i just Strawman his argument then I don’t actually have to address what was said
Riveting.

>>40528989
The gravimetric measurements were done in vacuum chambers, meaning air density was not a factor, and still the same object with the same weight fell at different rates in the same location when dropped multiple times, as measured by laser interferometers. This is an absolute death shot to the current model of gravity. gg. I’m sorry for your loss.

>is electrostatically shielded from the outside
Objectively you’re wrong. there is no way of completely shielding electrostatic potential or the molecular and intermolecular electrostatic forces which are responsible for the compactness of matter in the first place.

>>40529017
It’s just an objective fact. Just bc it doesn’t align with your religious convictions doesn’t mean it’s not true. Cope harder.

NEW THREAD:
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>>40530023

>>40530023
>>40530023

>>40529001
>>40530127

>>40530127
>>continues to regurgitate his religious dogma as if it’s proof of anything other than his own indoctrination.
>Riveting.
You're a fucking idiot who bullshits gravity is electrostatics..
The only religious nutcase here is you.
>>if i just Strawman his argument then I don’t actually have to address what was said
>Riveting.
Fucking moron who thinks things stay in orbit because there is no gravity at that altitude..
>It’s just an objective fact. Just bc it doesn’t align with your religious convictions doesn’t mean it’s not true. Cope harder.
No, he's either an incompetent idiot who doesn't know how to shield properly OR a complete bullshit artist who didn't make it and proved so by not posting video of it online.

>>40530127
>The gravimetric measurements were done in vacuum chambers, meaning air density was not a factor, and still the same object with the same weight fell at different rates in the same location when dropped multiple times, as measured by laser interferometers. This is an absolute death shot to the current model of gravity. gg. I’m sorry for your loss.
the interferometer inside a vacuum chamber means the experiment was done correctly, dumbass..
The mass of the air density outside the chamber is added to the local mass of the Earth and increases local gravity, retard.

>Objectively you’re wrong. there is no way of completely shielding electrostatic potential or the molecular and intermolecular electrostatic forces which are responsible for the compactness of matter in the first place.
Yes, you can completely shield off external electrostatic fields, dumbass.
intermolecular forces of inert objects are electrostatically neutral, idiot.. otherwise they would be ions.

>>40530212
Dumbass can't properly shield and ground a metal container...

>>40530127
>and still the same object with the same weight fell at different rates in the same location when dropped multiple times, as measured by laser interferometers
interferometer measures the changing weight of a fixed mass; nothing to do with rates of fall.
You're only half understanding Youtube schzos shit ramble and can only half ass shit post your underwhelming comprehension of their dumbass schizo ramble comprehension.

>>40530127
>>if i just Strawman his argument then I don’t actually have to address what was said
>Riveting.
lmao, it was such schizo tier rubbish that even you couldn't articulate and instead just linked to hoping it did mean something...

it doesn't

>>40530511
>>40530526
>>40530531
>t. picrel
Your posts are nothing but false claims, strawman fallacies and ad Homs. Literally everything you’ve claimed about electrostatics is provably false and has already been addressed in this very thread. It’s obvious you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about so you’re just making shit up and attempting to obfuscate the discussion bc you’re arsed by the implications of the empirical evidence being presented. Cope and seethe harder if it helps.

>>40530889
lmao, schizzo doubles down..
electrostatics has sweet fuck all to do with gravity.

Thunderstorms are many many orders of magnitude greater electrostatic potential, yet gravity does not increase many orders of magnitude..

You're peddling bullshit.

The increase in local gravity during a thunderstorm can only be measured by an interferometer feeding into a lock-in-amplifier..
Its so fucking small because the local gravity is increased by the mass of the greater air density, fuck all to do with the many orders of magnitude greater electrostatic forces.

>>40530690
It was articulated just fine. If you didn’t understand what what was said, that’s on you.

>>40530960
The studies I’ve referenced and linked to directly contradict your claims. Your talking out your ass. Educate yourself:
>>40395107

>>40531022
>It was articulated just fine. If you didn’t understand what what was said, that’s on you.
no, it was schizo verbalising buzzwords in an incoherent shit ramble..
>>40531022
>The studies I’ve referenced and linked to directly contradict your claims. Your talking out your ass. Educate yourself >>>40395107

Exactly.. those studies state the increase in gravity is due to the increase in local mass due to increased air density..

They don't say what you claim they say.
You're too fucking stupid to even read them and instead quote them and hope for the best.