Thread 40465184

>Library
https://controlc.com/f90157e6

>Mysticism
Hindu — Raja Yoga, Hathayoga, Shiva Samhita
Taoist — Foundations of Internal Alchemy
Theravada — Knowing and Seeing
Sufi — Sufism for Non-Sufis
Jewish — Jewish Meditation
General/Thelema — sacred-texts.com & hermetic.com/figures/index

>Grimoires
Agrippa's Three Books are core
Arbatel should be the first; afterward Heptameron, or Goetia, or Abramelin, Picatrix, etc
The PGM tend to be modular
esotericarchives.com/

>Buddhism & Vajrayana
Intro to Tantra, Refining Gold. Look to centers in your area & others that offer empowerment online. Avoid NKT, Rigpa, and Shambhala. Garchen Rinpoche and HHDL's whole YouTube catalogs; you can take empowerment and transmission from their recordings if vows are understood, but really you should have a teacher.
The Facebook group Vajrayana Events regularly posts online empowerments, lungs, and teachings.
accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/
studybuddhism.com

>Golden Dawn
Cicero's Self Initiation into the Golden Dawn, Lyam Thomas Christopher - Kabalah, Magic & the Great Work of Self Transformation
Find a Temple: pansophers.com/golden-dawn-locations/

>Aurum Solis
Magical Philosophy (70s editions go from I-V, modern from I-III), then Planetary Magick
The Practical Guide series

>Aspire to A∴A∴
Have a basic understanding of the Golden Dawn system. Read Liber ABA, then go through this reading list:
ordoaa.org/studlist.htm
Focus on Liber Resh, E , RV, O, Astarte, and HHH
For a full curriculum, Mystical and Magical System of the A∴A∴

>Chaos Magic
Liber Null & Psychonaut, Condensed Chaos, Liber Kaos, Hands-On Chaos Magic

>Tradcraft
https://pastebin.com/KB7QhL7u

>Astrology
https://pastebin.com/euWACNrK

First for Solomonic conjuration

An Theoretical Method At Taking A Soul:
>Mentally focus on the individual
>Focus on the soul and quickly pull it out their body
Now you have the Soul, what now?
You need a suitable medium that can hold the soul, to trap it and keep it from floating and flying somewhere else.
>And before stealing a soul is impossible
I have done it. I developed this method based on a method that I use, however I don’t completely understand what I do, so you have received the theoretical version. I lost my soul a while back, so you can’t really practice on me.
I’ve experimented and found that powerful energy can be taken from a soul,and that can be used by someone for spiritual purposes and magic.

>>40465604
You have to do it with spiritual capability. I tested my theoretical method on a volunteer and nothing happened. Then I used my method which is still mysterious by tapping into inner power and the spirit was pulled out of their body.

>>40465615
How does one acquire power? One way is to receive energy from an angelic being(picrel)
If you you get a chance to talk to the higher being, ask to learn the secrets of how to properly take another persons soul.

>>40465604
Ok delusional child. Do you also drink blood? Or are you the werewolf type of mental retardation?

What did the eunuchs know that we don't?

If you can make talismans to chase out scorpions and rats and stuff, could I make a talisman to chase off thugs and criminals from the local park?

>>40466136
Even if it works, it will give you bad karma for controlling other people's actions.

>be me
>little witch

Pause the questions you want
Or gtfo

>>40467642
?

>>40466153
>bad karma
>bad
>lol

>>40468167

>I appreciate the ref

How do I acquire a familiar that will set my enemies on fire the moment they piss me off? Please only respond to me if you actually know of a method. Don't lecture me about karma. You don't get extra points from your Indian No-Self Daddy in the Sky by shoving your irrelevant bullshit into people's faces when they don't ask for it. Thank you.

>>40466136
Yes you can.
But the "pest control talismans" work by cursing the pests, and you can't do that to people.

So instead you would have to attract the good things you want.
Or draw the thugs to a different street for them to hang our.
Orgonite gifting is also claimed to help a bit, at least it depleting negative emotions and driving away shadow entities.
So you gotta rethink your strategy a bit, because its pretty fucked up to do a curse talisman against people.

Another example: Some dude put up a mini buddha shrine in their neighborhood, and crime went way, way down. Because not even junkies want to disrepect a shrine. All you gotta do is drop off a candle and flowers once in a while to make it look active.

>>40469177
LOOOL
I remember you.

>>40466136
Just call the exterminators (police) and say they are armed
Bonus points if you hide a pistol near where they hang out

>>40469397
>it's pretty fucked up to do a curse talisman against people
Chuck mentality, NGMI.

>>40466136
I’m sure there’s a solomonic pentacle for that albeit adjacent to those goals

>>40469397
>Or draw the thugs to a different street for them to hang our.
I guess I could make a thug/criminal attracting/proliferating talisman and drop it at another park instead. But wouldn't that be kind of like cursing that whole area with thugs, in a way?

>>40469405
This is the UK so unfortunately the police are completely useless. I've seen them show up about a dozen times this past year, and it's done nothing to dissuade the absolutely insane behaviour these gangs engage in at the park.
I did think about including police in the image of a potential anti-thug talisman though, like a policeman arresting a thug or something.

>>40469471
Yeah you might accidentally be drawing even more thugs than you ever believed possible!

>>40469481
How about a "police enforcement" talisman.
So they have more presence in the area

>>40469481
Erect a statue of George Floyd in the park.
This will prevent crime.
Trust me on this.

>>40469561
But would it prevent itself from being struck by lightning though?

>>40469584
You need to install an anti-lightning talisman on the statue. Most houses have them as well.

>>40469401
>Please only respond to me if you actually know of a method.
So do you or don't you? If you won't tell, fuck you. Remember from when exactly? 2 months ago when I last posted? Go ahead and link some 4pleb post you think were mine. You stupid cunt.

>>40469544
>How about a "police enforcement" talisman.
>So they have more presence in the area
That might work? Something like a peaceful, orderly, secure community talisman.
>>40469561
>pic
Ironically I was thinking of Apollonius of Tyana's "Mars in chains" statues that prevented barbarian invasions until they were destroyed. I was thinking of making an anti-thug talisman on a similar basis, only not a statue. I suppose it would still fall under the category of a curse talisman though, hmmm.

>>40469588
I mean, if you're gonna go with mundane just stick with mundane. See some gangbangers? Shoot them. Give everyone guns.

Why are so many of you faggots so obsessed with peace and harmony?
That is antithetical to how this world functions. The gods are savage and laugh at your petty moralizing.

>>40469686
Congratulations anon.
We're living in hell and you idolize demons.

>>40469707
Who said anything about idolatry? Look around you, mother nature is a fucking cunt.

>>40469686
>so obsessed with peace and harmony?
Do you really think it is a good idea to scatter curse talismans, of slightly unknown effect, into the very neighborhood you live in?

>>40469707
>muh karma
>muh crusty indian cow dung fetish
>muh esoteric live, laugh, love
No, no, no.. congrats to you, fuck face.

>>40469717
Proving my points anon

>>40469722
Lel methinks you got the wrong anon with that bullet.
But go on with this morality play. It might prove entertaining.

>>40469722
Me? Yeah I do it's fucking hilarious but I don't exactly have the highest regard for mundanes.

>>40469686
The gods can enjoy all the war and revelry they want, when the Tathagata's eye is upon them they flee and hide like the cowards they are.
I've seen it happen.
Compassion is power, an infinity of seethe against that hasn't changed a thing.

>>40469725
>muh only fluffy bunnies need apply
you forgot that one

>>40469730
Lol you don't have a point you limp dicked do-nothing

>>40469736
>still assuming everyone gives a fuck about himalayan crap
More like tathagatagarbhage amirite, fellas?

>>40469746
quite the potty mouth you have there zoomer

>>40469752
Your gods certainly do

>>40469758
Nah, I'm non-materialist atheist. You meant that for the other anon.

>>40469764
Go cultivate the Brahmaviharas, they will bring great happiness to your daily life here and now

>>40469758
>assuming gods from other pantheons would also just naturally become boddhisattvas like the hindu gods
jfc how is vagina-yana not like the christianization of pagan gods into goetic demons
so much presumptuousness and pretentiousness on your part

>>40469754
Way off base, try again poolord.

>>40469780
I never said that, not every Hindu God is a boddhisattva as well. Most aren't.

>>40469771
Bruh, I'd rather cultivate weed. Bother someone else with your nonsense. I'll never thank you for whatever wisdom you think you're imparting. You're a larper.

>>40469794
then which gods do you mean, motherfucker? hah?
zeus? poseidon? demeter? apollo? which ones, asshole? allah?

>>40469801
Based. The preachers here are dipshits with no life experience, you are right to talk down to them.

>>40469812
Yes none of those are boddhisattvas
I think you misread my post.

>>40469822
fuck you, bitch. keep your captive hindu buddy-sativas in your stupid vagina-yana if you want
but leave the other gods names out of your fucking mouth

>>40469829
Smoke less weed

>>40469840
i'll do whatever i want, mom
you know of a good talisman to destroy the minds of protestors who throw molotovs?

>>40469858
I mean, a 38 special can be a good talisman.
But Boulder, Colorado has some strict gun laws, if that's what you're referencing.

>>40469888
now that's the kind of magic i want to see. in a world that brutalizes you, you brutalize it back.
not some limp-wristed soft fluffy white light bullshit.
"oh muh karma" shut the fuck up

should I learn arabic and latin to better understand old text? Or not worth the hassle?

>>40470366
If there's books you simply have to read in their original language, why not? Especially if there aren't reliable English translations. I don't know how linguistically gifted you are (or if you have prior experience with languages similar to Arabic and Latin), but learning two new languages at the same time might be a heavy load. Also: you mean classical/Quranic arabic and ecclesiastical Latin, or?

>>40469927
>in a world that brutalizes you, you brutalize it back.
And so the cycle of hatred and pain continues with nothing learned

>>40470390

>Also: you mean classical/Quranic arabic and ecclesiastical Latin, or?

yep , thankfully I already know classical/quranic arabic and took the standard wheelocks style (vulgate) approach in high school, but I'll admit this is literally day 0 or day -1 and just scoping it out, what I dont really know is the development of these languages cause frankly im not a linguist or anything and if their respective medieval periods and beyond took on any overly complicated forms that would make this too daunting.

I wouldn't say im gifted or anything, I speak 3 regular languages, but I do the work and enjoy the work. I will definitely give it the old college try.

>>40470425
blah fucking blah, yoda
the fucking universe itself moves in cycles of creation and destruction
there's no such thing as everlasting peace with no obliteration
your head is sooo heavy with wisdom you can't even crank your neck to look around

>>40470459
Eh, stylistic variations between periods can be an issue, but there's also specialized nomenclature that might need some kind of initiated knowledge or prior reading. In such cases I usually try to look for editions with some academic commentary in the modern language, eg a Sufi manual

>>40470498

great tip , thank you! I haven't peered that deep into this world but do you rely on the standard top university presses for translations or does a little liberty need to be taken and the typical internet pdf circles of questionable quality/varying degree of accuracy need to be consulted?

>>40466136

Yes. Draw or carve a picture of a crow headed king holding a spear in his right hand sitting on a throne on a piece of pewter or lead. Make it when Saturn is afflicting (square or opposition) Mercury. bury it in the park. When you bury it ask for Saturn to afflict all thieves and criminals.

Saturn is a lawyer, a harsh judge, and a jailer. Mercury governs thieves.

>>40470774
Nta but could you do also do another talisman with Saturn opposing Mars. Not all thugs are thieves, some of them think of themselves as "soldiers". Additionally, if I do one with Saturn opposing Venus do you think that would work against streetwalkers?

>>40469481
you need:
divination (surveillance, reconnaissance)
a helm of invisiblity (ski mask/balaclava)
magical weapon (e.g. axe handle with sigils carved into it)

>>40471202
Lmao I can just see the headlines: "Right-wing man attacks youths in park". If anon is white, they'll say it. If not, they'll just stick with the "right-wing" label.

>>40470459
>>40470366
Legentibus is good for audiobooks in latin. I think some are classical latin, others ecclesiastical.

>>40471244
thanks man

>>40471024
>Additionally, if I do one with Saturn opposing Venus do you think that would work against streetwalkers?
based hoe slayer

I want to get into the occult and magick any good introductions for beginners ?

>>40473934
Read Naos: A Practical Guide to Modern Magic

Can someone help me connect the dots between the horned one and the faeries? I've read on here that apparently the horned one is the god of the fae but what does that mean?

My understanding is that what Christians referred to as devils = nature spirits = faeries.

Faeries being lower level nature spirits and what is referred to as the fay being upper rank or upper class nature spirits, so archangel or archdemon nature spirits of which ever element.

So my question is, is the horned one just a archangel or archdemon of lets say the fire nature spirits? Is the horned one just a thought form?

>>40475016
A lot of demons are elemental spirits or daimons too, not necessarily faeries. Honestly the only clear Fae I've seen in grimoires are Oberon, Mycob, and their retinues.
As for how they exist, spirits probably make up the fabric of existence on a subtle level

>>40470774
Afflicted Mars is thieves and thugs and aspiring "rappers". Its the downfall of the masculine energies.

Mercury is trickery and scamming though - maybe jeet scammers.

>>40471024
For cops and security use Mars.
For legal trouble and imprisonment, use Saturn.
For imprisonment, ideal would be conjunction of Saturn in the 12th house - but depends on the position of Saturn whether a good election can be made.

Saturn also rules over the downtrodden people, like homeless and junkies, and might want retribution on you if you are fucking with these already downtrodden people.

>>40475278
Thanks for the you but this doesn't really answer my question.

>>40475016
Best advice for this would be to ignore wiccan and neopagan bullshit and just go back to primary sources. If you want fae then study fae and djinn. The king of fae is Oberon like the other anon said. If you want a horned god then learn about Pan.

>>40475446
>Saturn also rules over the downtrodden people, like homeless and junkies, and might want retribution on you if you are fucking with these already downtrodden people.
Confused leftist/progressive larp. Whores and hobos wouldn't even exist if it wasn't because of your libertine policies. You create the problem and then talk down to residents whose lives your policies negatively affect. Saturn values orderliness and respect for tradition. Your "downtrodden" riff raff can go fuck off somewhere else, you along with them. You stupid fuck.

>>40476667
Don't be retarded. If that was the case homeless people wouldn't have existed before progressives

>>40476686
No, you're the moron. Just institutionalize the blighted sores. Put them to work. That's honest income for the prostitutes and rehab for the addicts. A whore mother or a drunkard father's failures isn't society's burden to bear. Or at the very least let the slugs overdose instead of giving them narcan. Your "compassion" will only create more Skid Rows and Kensington Avenues.

>>40476667
>For there will always be poor people in the land; therefore I command you to be openhanded to your poor and needy brother in your land. Deuteronomy 15:11
>Do not take advantage of the widow or the fatherless.If you do and they cry out to me, I will certainly hear their cry. My anger will be aroused, and I will kill you with the sword; your wives will become widows and your children fatherless. Exodus 22:22-24
>Do not exploit the poor because they are poor and do not crush the needy in court, for the LORD will take up their cause and plunder those who plunder them. Proverbs 22:22-23.
>Whoever closes his ear to the cry of the poor will himself call out and not be answered. Proverbs 21:13
>Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image, an abomination unto the LORD, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and putteth it in a secret place. And all the people shall answer and say, Amen. Deuteronomy 27:15 - interpreted by Jews as prohibition against talismans with an image on it. That would incur the wrath of YHVH, and the entire Jewish nation that agreed they were to be cursed.

>>40476824
Not Christian. Don't care.

>>40476837
Your in luck because I entirely posted Old Testament quotes.
By the people who worship on Saturn's holy day, which may be of importance if you are trying to make a Saturn talisman based on a book that instructs you to dress like a Jew when you are petitioning Saturn.

>>40476857
>can't think of planetary magic outside of an abrahamic framework
idk man, is this lack of imagination?
or are you just that desperate for a rhetorical trap?
it's dumb either way

>>40476857
I'm not Jewish either lmao. And what this guy >>40476898 said is perfect.

bump

>>40476583
Thanks

bump

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Let's talk about philosophy and politics and stuff
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Is there any power to chanting someone is obsessed with me?

no bardonians here?

>>40481744
we move in silence. no cum on discord mod sigils.

>>40481330
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>>40481330
Maybe Watchmen is correct, the secret to world piece is the collective hatred to one alien scapegoat

>>40482092
>world piece
I know lol

>>40481902
>>40481744
Kek

So does anyone have any idea how Oberon fits into the Goetic Hierarchy?

>>40483525
There's people who speculate that Oberon is an anagram of Ronove, which isn't something I believe. But the thing with grimoire magicians is that they subsume whatever non-grimoire spirits into grimoire type magic if they're smart/stupid enough to try. Goetia (in our non ancient Greek understanding of it) at its base is just the practice of conjuring and controlling spirits. I wonder if King Oberon retains kingly status if he is put into a goetic hierarchy.

Anybody else going throug this self-initiation?

I don't usually come here, but I was wondering if anyone has any advice on an idea I can't seem to shake: that Jesus, Avalokiteshvara, Guanyin, Kannon, and maybe Horus are the same recurring person/entity/deity. In John, Jesus declares: “I am the vine, you are the branches.” (John 15:5) He prays, “That they all may be One, as you, Father, in me and I in you. That they all may be One in us.” (John 17:21) To me, Jesus makes more sense as savior; not merely as the pleasing sacrifice to appease the Father-God’s wrath, but as the “Christ-energy” in everybody.

>>40485632
I would say mix it with the A.A. System and the Cicero Golden Dawn Self-Initiation for something much more thorough, they all line up because the use the same structure

>>40486620
Interesting idea. No idea if it's true or not though

>>40488509
>The story goes that this fellow had worked his way through countless incarnations to become a bodhisattva, a stage of development just before becoming a buddha. In what promised to be his final incarnation, he was the beautiful, kind, gentle, and androgynous Avalokiteshvara, whose name means “The Lord Looking Down in Pity.”
>As Avalokiteshvara entered his final meditation and was about to achieve his goal of lifetimes beyond number, he heard a groan go up from all around him. He came out of his meditation and asked, “What’s this about? I was about to achieve nirvana. Why the groan?”
>All of nature answered in a single voice, “O Avalokiteshvara, we are happy for you that you are about to enter nirvana, but we are sad for ourselves. Life is hard and full of suffering. What’s kept us going was the thought of you. You are so kind and lovely. You’ve been a source of strength and inspiration for us. Now you are about to leave us, and so we groan.”
>Rapt with compassion, the saint responded, “Well, then I won’t leave you, but shall renounce my own nirvana until all sentient beings are likewise enlightened.” Indeed, he went on to say, “It would be better for one to suffer than for all. Therefore I vow to take upon myself all the karma and all the suffering of all sentient beings. I shall remain in the cycles of reincarnation until the end of time bestowing grace and mercy for the good of all.”
Plus, he was also part of a trinity, being an incarnation of Amitabha, who is pure light / God, and the third being Mahasthamaprapta, who represents spiritual attainment, much like the Holy Spirit. Guanyin and Kannon are cultural various evolutions of the same deity. These are the most worshipped deities in China, Japan, and many other countries.
Now look up all the concurrences between Jesus and Horus. Christ and the Trinity seem to be a part of most spiritual cultures in some capacity.

>>40465184 (OP)
I'm making a bronze divination mirror and would like to engrave a spell in Egyptian around the perimeter. I know most amulets and objects from the period usually had spells or excerpts from the funerary literature on them, but I haven't found something suitably thematic yet in the pyramid texts or book of the dead.
Any advice on where to look?

>>40486620
>and maybe Horus
The christian trinity is a jumble of the characteristics of Atum-Ra, Osiris, and Horus. The early church copied a lot of homework from the last surviving Egyptian temples in the several centuries they coexisted.
And this is like a thousand years after the jews lifted a bunch of ideas from them.
I'd also bet you a quarter that the ideological core of buddhism came from some extremely old esoterica regarding the dynamic between Atum-Ra and Apep.

>>40489944
>copied
>lifted
If you think these things are meant to be original, i.e. fabricated, then you don't understand how initiation, traditional schools, and lineage work.

>>40490054
I don't think these things are meant to be original, but they are widely presented as original and so the general population is under the impression that they are

>>40490084
>but they are widely presented as original and so the general population is under the impression that they are
Of course, that's how exoterism works. In a way they are original expressions.

>>40485632
>>40486644

After 20 years of practice and study I've come to the conclusion that the western hermetic tradition is bogus and the only real stuff is sigils and CIA gateway protocols. In before they are just extensions of it, no.

>>40490096
Kabbalah and Victorian occultism aren't "the Western Hermetic tradition", though.

>>40490094
What's your point?

>>40490122
meh i don't think much of the "western" hermetic tradition anyway
even if you take this back to ficino or whoever else
corpus hermeticum + pgm seems more "hermeticky"
although i don't know if the people back then would've thought it

Why does bluefluke tell you he's showing you how to make a sigil but then proceed to show you how to make a servitor?

>>40489890
>bronze divination mirror
Can't help directly, but have a read of this- I'm thinking specifically the "I am NN" part. Since Thoth is the god of both writing and magic, that seems like an obvious one to me. https://dlib.nyu.edu/awdl/isaw/isaw-papers/18-6/
There's a free pdf of "Divination and Interpretation of Signs in the Ancient World" by Amar Annus floating around that may also provide some inspiration.
Another idea would be to look at the mirror of Solomon or Anael, and see if you can transliterate the names or even substitute them. Not my thing but I'm reminded of JSK's Goetic Theurgy for an example of keeping an extant framework and altering the names etc.
https://sacred-texts.com/grim/bcm/bcm77.htm

>>40485632
planned to start this end of this year or next year.
I've tried it in the past once, after 2 months had to call it quits due to being in a super stressed situation at work...
Gave a read to the curriculum and I liked it more than the Cicero's curriculum, where they tell you to petition by taking a godform as your first lesson, when you supposedly don't even have the LBRP on your belt.

Been awhile since I looked at it, but as I recall it is a mix of both good and bad information. There are better introductions to chaos magic such as the books mentioned in the OP

>>40492379
Because in chaos magick sigils are often servitors, though not always. And if the author decides to focus on servitors and godforms, those are what you get. The Psychonaut Field Manual is a rushed and messy guide created by a rushed and messy individual who "bricked himself" anyway.

>>40490714
Ancient Hermeticism was obviously closer to the source, but the tradition had many great exponents all the way up until the early modern period.

>>40493916
... and many of them added their own extraneous crap and called it "hermetic"
it's almost like this "tradition" we call "hermeticism" is various larps pushed to github
if we're being honest, even the pgm is a bunch of different magicians
it's just that their shit got compiled by collectors or whoever
i looked at coffin texts, pyramid texts, "book of the dead", magika hiera...
quite quite different than pgm. and there's also that "mechanics of ancient egyptian magical practice"
maybe it is all larp, but maybe some larps are better than others

>>40486644
Why? The book precisely tells you not to mix systems (not at least until you reach 5=6 or so).
>>40490096
That doesn't make any sense.
>>40492816
I'm in the Zelator grade. Would recommend, probably the best self-initiation book out there, he also has a YouTube channel among other things to clear things up.

>>40494187
>That doesn't make any sense.

>>40490122
>Kabbalah and Victorian occultism aren't "the Western Hermetic tradition", though.

What kind of nonsense is this? There is a clear line between the Kabbalah, the early Arabic and European medieval grimoires, the hermetic texts from Agrippa to Pico and Bruno and 19th century Levi and the Golden Dawn.

>>40494975
The clear line being magicians and mystics putting their own spin on spins that came before them. Yes.

>>40494975
>What kind of nonsense is this? There is a clear line between the Kabbalah, the early Arabic and European medieval grimoires, the hermetic texts from Agrippa to Pico and Bruno and 19th century Levi and the Golden Dawn.
A line "connecting" or a line "between/separating"?
No doubt Hermeticism has been inherited in various ways and to various extents, but keep in mind that the original Hermeticism is a current from classical antiquity and predates Kabbalah by over a millennium. It is perfectly possible to produce a history of Hermeticism, and even of the reception of Hermeticism, without mentioning Kabbalah at all.

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Weird how I can sink endless hours into reading, studying and practicing external methods but doing just 15 minutes of meditation seems totally out of reach.

>>40496555
Sucks to be you, I guess. I can fit reading/studying, collecting materia magica, practicing evocations out loud without godnames, working out, yoga, etc, plus half an hour of samatha/vipassana all in an 8 hour time frame. Daily. I just do a bit of time management. My grandpa told me this one time: "You have 24 hours in a day. 8 hours for work, 8 hours for sleep, 8 hours for whatever else you wanna do." That's served me well all these years.

Any ritual for calling out a random sexual partner? I only recall the satanic bible having one

>>40496573
I have more than enough time, it's desire that I don't have, lol.

Jesu s

>>40496673
Lol then don't do it. Forcing yourself to do something might just make you hate it.

>>40493699
>"bricked himself"
What? What happened?

>>40496824
He had a nervous breakdown or something.
https://www.reddit.com/r/occult/comments/5t66gg/comment/ddukrkh/
https://www.reddit.com/r/chaosmagick/comments/v7tkdy/anyone_know_if_bluefluke_is_ever_gonna_release/

>>40496857
LMAO at the retard who sent bluefluke money and got fuckall.

>>40496857
>>40496909
maybe that bitch died
i never liked the manual

https://www.reddit.com/r/occult/comments/15hd6z8/anybody_know_if_bluefluke_made_it_through/

>>40493869
I love the depiction of Klepoth. Got any more like this? Particularly depictions of Verum spirits

ok this might be a bit schizo but I want someone's opinion who might know more than me (and validation so I feel less like a weirdo).
I currently worship a sort of Hestia/Hekate/Kore/Sophia/H2éwsōs type sacred virgin as my personal goddess/ishtadevi, who I've had some experiences with. now, a very big reason for me having this conception of god in the first place is definitely my psychological fixation on virginity and a deep unfulfilled desire to be close to a woman who's sexually pure, as well as in my catholic upbringing being much more comfortable praying to the virgin Mary than Jesus/The Father.
there are plenty of other reasons though, like the centrality of fire rituals across indo-european traditions, having experiences that don't seem to come entirely from my own mind, and a number of things I cherry pick from ancient sources to support my ideas(Plato calling Hestia the essence of things, ancient greek historians equating her with the scythian primordial fire goddess Tabiti and the Zoroastrian sacred fire, among other things).
basically, am I actually on to something or am I just projecting my own psychology and calling it god? or are my psychological projections leading me to god? or is there even a difference?

I know in hinduism approaching god in any form is seen as valid, which is reassuring. are there any mystical practices I can do to have a more direct experience of her? I've been praying for a dream or vision but nothing has happened yet.

>>40497177
The artist did three others that I've found; though the Klepoth is by far my favourite, as it's bizarrely close to my own experience of her.
Here's Humots. I'll post the others later.

>>40481330
pagans tongue my anus

>>40496721
I am gonna keep trying to force it for another 3 years or so. If I keep failing, I may try to take a super dose of LSD or aya or something and hope for big fireworks I guess.

>>40498718
You are the guy with the dualist system from last thread, right? I am the Neoplatonist guy.
I am not going to go in too much detail on my beliefs, but I worship Hekate as the World Soul, in the form of a lunar goddess. I am not following any particular tradition, but my views are still informed by theology and philosophy, so I feel like my connection is legitimate. If you know what the goddess means and is to you, I think your connection is legitimate too. It doesn't even have to be a verbal knowledge, necessarily - I could tell from your art that you have a strong appreciation of a deity with the qualities of serenity, purity, warmth, light, and love. I don't know what your private experiences are, but in your representations of the goddess, I could feel a sense of identity and substance. I don't think your worship or affinity is vacuous.
>now, a very big reason for me having this conception of god in the first place is definitely my psychological fixation on virginity and a deep unfulfilled desire to be close to a woman who's sexually pure
The way you put this, I think this could go either way. These words could describe a maladaptive situation, but they could equally well describe something legitimate. In some forms of Hinduism and some forms of Kundalini meditation, a pure Shakti consort is considered the superior replacement for earthly women for a celibate (or even not so celibate) ascetic. In the kundalini tradition this Shakti is explicitly also a part of you (and also a part of your "psychology", in the ancient and etymological sense of the word), but it's no less real or divine for all that, and leads to real spiritual growth. Even if something is/comes from within you, it does not mean that it is not divine. Human beings can spawn and/or host anything from the demonic to the divine. A Sun-Moon-Venus type entity like the one you draw seems to me decisively in the latter camp, even if it is a product of your soul only (and that's just an "if").

>>40498718
>>40499396
I can't say if your current worship is the final stage in your spiritual growth - maybe you will refine your views of your goddess further, or maybe you will move onto worshipping something else, or maybe you will even incorporate her in a different metaphysical system with a different role. But if you reach out to this goddess with an earnest heart and feel in communion with her and her divine qualities, I think that's your empirical verification that you have established a working connection. When I contemplate Hekate in my own way, I feel the qualities of serenity, purity, and also a sense of eternity and immortality being perceived by my mind's eye. So I would say, something divine is being seen. And I had different feelings of the same type when I was looking at your devotional art.
>are there any mystical practices I can do to have a more direct experience of her?
There are some ways of generating visions, but I don't know too much about that. I only know one method I haven't tried and it would require me to be physically next to you to make it work.
But I think it will be fruitful to ask yourself what exactly you mean by direct experience, and what it would mean for you to have that experience. A vision presupposes an exterior Other, so some theologians may not necessarily agree that it constitutes a direct experiences. Also, if you just want to experience more mystical states and exalted feelings, again it may be good to ask yourself why or how that would improve your situation. Obviously, it is always better to be closer to God in every way and in every moment, I am not trying to deny you the right to that. But in my view, union with God is the true goal, and mystical experiences on the way to union are just useful indicators that something is happening on an invisible plane. In and of themselves, they are not all that important. The crucial thing is the God, and your connection with it/him/her, which can even be fully unperceptible.

>>40493869
>>40498806
Fear & Hunger vibes. Got any more?

>>40499307
>a super dose of LSD or aya or something
Fuck, dude. If you're prepared to go that far, just do it now instead of dilly-dallying with meditation that you feel ambivalent and lazy about. But maybe go with gradual microdoses instead of blowing your mind all in one go. There's mind expansion and then there's ending up like my granduncle Ronnie who's been strung out since the early 70s and never came back.

>>40500477
It's better to just dive in the waters rather than dipping your toe in.

>>40500673
Well, either way just get to it instead of "trying" to meditate.

>>40500477
I would prefer not to take drugs now, because the closest thing to an experienced guru I know advised me that drugs can have residual subtle effects for years, and taking drugs can make it hard to distinguish legitimate results of meditation from profane drug-related effects. I would rather avoid drugs if I can help it. But if I can't, I am going to force the issue.
I also hate drugs so if it comes down to it I am only taking one dose. Could be a micro, medium, or mega dose. All the same to me. I am doing just one. Leaning towards a mega dose because I guess that's what the desperate option would be.
Sorry about your uncle, by the way. It is a concern for me, trying to avoid ending up like that. But it is also a concern for me to avoid spending my whole life living an empty life without ever managing to grasp what I desire.

>>40492816
>after 2 months had to call it quits due to being in a super stressed situation at work
very likely an effect of daily LBRP

>>40485632
half way through Zelator after it being recommended here like a year ago.

Fuck you stupid fucking nerds. Magic is just what neets did before there was the internet and video games. If you really want to get an unnatural advantage in life you need to be using psychology in order to manipulate your brain into being useful. Ritual has a place in this and there is some legitimacy to some shit called magic in the relm of psychology. Grow up and figure out the secret with me if you arent a hopeless retard.

>>40500981
Lol nah. Miss me with that psychologized copium.

>>40500963
>super stressed situation at work
>very likely an effect of daily LBRP
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>>40500981
>Fuck you stupid fucking nerds. Magic is just what neets did before there was the internet and video games.
Well, there is at least one NEET who is doing magic after the creation of the internet and video games.

>>40500219
>Fear & Hunger
Never heard of it but I see what you mean with the art style.

>>40501019
Invoke too, in the mornings, LBRP should be done exactly before sleeping

>>40500981
u is gay and also a fag

>>40501101
moar

>>40500963
I don't really think so, I was doing LBRP for months and months every morning before that, I think the problem was adding everything else while being under intense pressure at the time due to other factors.

>>40501361
Last one I have. Hope there are more someday.

>>40465184 (OP)
What is shadow work? I'm constantly being told to do it but I keep getting poor vague descriptions on what it and a shadow actually is. Like do I go around screaming racial slurs at people and harassing women?

>>40501867
You got it. But seriously, it's just new age ahistorical nonsense. Don't take anyone who talks about "shadow work" seriously, as a rule of thumb

>>40499001
Tongue your own fucking anus!

>do a ritual
>massive early results
>"whoa! this worked!!"
>drops off immediately
>"huh, that's weird"
>review my method weeks later
>overlooked a condition and made an obvious blunder with the setup
Bros... this SUCKS!

Hello, first off i dont really want to derail the thread and ask you to do the same. I remember some time ago i was watching some passable tranny porn videos. And in the videos there were clearly huge sigils in the center of the screen, not one frame, but for like a half of a second while he put things on his ass (yeah yeah whatever i was a degen i know), but i wonder if those sigils actually did something, not to me but for other people. Ive heard jacking off or just even fucking lowers your defenses because the body and mind is just too busy creating life so you are on a vulnerable state. So my question is what could those sigils even do? like getting energy from the coomers or something?

>>40501984
>>40501867
I thought shadow work was like some jungian stuff like taking the time to know yourself and be in peace with the dark thoughts you have.

>>40503666
also wondering this, and lol at those trips

>>40499396
>>40499440
>You are the guy with the dualist system from last thread, right?
yeah that's me
>The way you put this, I think this could go either way. These words could describe a maladaptive situation, but they could equally well describe something legitimate.
as I sort of implied in my first post I think it's a bit of both. the challenge is keeping the more neurotic elements in check, maybe some kind of shadow work would help.

thank you for these replies, they were very insightful

>>40503686
>be in peace with the dark thoughts you have.
So like what acknowledge them but don't act on them? I feel like everyone does that on some level. I hear "embracing" being thrown around a lot

>>40503686
That's basically it. Being at peace with yourself is probably a good idea generally.
But, there's an occult application for it in some circles. Basically there's this idea that magic comes from (or is strongly influenced by) the unconscious mind, and so when we perform acts like rituals we're sort of issuing high-level commands to try to nudge the unconscious into doing its thing and making the magic happen. This is sort of how sigils work. By integrating parts of your unconscious mind like the shadow and the anima, it's thought that you're strengthening the conscious/unconscious link and maybe the efficacy of your magic.

I don't know how much, if any, of that is correct but I did manage to talk to my anima in a dream one time and that seemed to go pretty well.

What's the significance of tomorrow's "strawberry" full moon? Is it a good time to do rituals? What kind of rituals?

>>40504401
Different phases are appropriate for different rituals, generally.
The full moon marks the start of the waning/decline stage of the month so it's better suited to rites meant for declining, reducing, slowing, etc. Conversely the new moon & waxing phases are better for growth-related operations.

The moon name doesn't mean anything, but if you really want to minmax you could take seasonal/month/day/time correspondences into account.

How are the works of Arundell Overman? Are they darque fluffe or historically-backed? The fact that he's working with a good translator like Lamba seems like a good sign, but what do you think?

could anyone please help me? i took an interest in chinese magic and downloaded the library but where to start with his "daoist" folder? or where to start anywhere with daoist sorcery/chinese folk magic? im personally interested in qi manipulation, neidan alchemy and protection

>>40504307
The people running around talking about "shadow work" are the same people that refer to people as "baby witches". Their "traditional" horseshit has trickled down from discord server to discord server in a profane contemporary game of telephone where each person is somehow even stupider and less experienced than the person that tried to explain it to them.
If you really want to speedrun what they think they mean when they say "shadow work" you should live as a criminal for six months to a year. Something that puts you in tune with the scum of the earth so you can have a natural reaction to being around them. Asking yourself "am I a bad person because I let a gamer word slip out when someone cut me off in traffic" isn't enough. For extra credit go to Disboard, search "coven" and get yourself banned from every server but not before you get a good sense of what the people who nebulously refer to shadow work think they're doing.

>>40505225
Are you fluent in ancient Chinese? If not you'd be better served learning a martial art.

>>40505304
no, learning mandarin tho because i want to get into classical chinese, but im sure there are modern practitioners who are actual masters of their art and not some larpers that one could learn from

>>40503666
"Popularly", sigils are just used as an aesthetic. Divorced from a proper ritual context, they don't mean shit. It's just edgelord nonsense. But if the room was set up for a ritual, maybe some kind of sex ritual, then it would be a quite different story.

>>40504965
Nah I wouldn't lump him in with the DF lot. I own the picrel, along with his illustrated GV and the Black Dragon he did with Bart Deleplanque and they're all fine. I'm a big fan of Lamba- I translated 983 for my own use a few years back, and agree with almost all of his Magical Art translation- and in their GG you get a lot of book for the money, as it's over 400 pages long.
That said, they're pretty bare bones and I think a lot of the contents, or near enough, will be on Peterson's website. The GV and BD include some working notes, which I like but be aware that they're print on demand books, so you're not going to get the production quality of Scarlet Imprint, for example. He's edited a few others that I don't have and will probably get round to buying eventually. Some of the art's a bit Dungeons and Dragons for my taste but YMMV.
They're cheap and cheerful, a bit like the bibliotheque bleu books were in their day, and I sort of like that he's continuing in that tradition.

>>40505548
Thanks for the answer anon. I definitely agree that continuing the bibliotheque bleu tradition is a good thing

"demonolatry"? idk about bibliothèque bleue
but it's defo sacre bleu

I cast bump.

>>40508934
Lol dude's tryna replicate Kimbanda or some kinda shit like that.
Reinventing wheels and adding epicycles. Shit magicians do best.

I'm gonna do it tonight. Here goes nothing.

>>40508934
Lolshit fair enough- I hadn't seen that one! Again though, 12 quid. Might actually pick it up to see how it differs from the illustrated one, much as the demonolatry stuff is retarded.

Any ideas on the essence of Jormungandr?
A world devouring serpent must probably represent some demonic force, but I wonder what kind. Greed, maybe? Gluttony? Just sheer appetite, generally?

>>40511384
It could be the Nordic intuition of the same force that we now call Leviathan. It would thus represent chaos, uncreated space.

>>40511384
It's just Apep again. The consequence of creation, the inevitable opposition that will be reconciled with at the conclusion.

Gonna use every opportunity to do magic to make /omg/ more active.

>>40513330
Everything I do is magic. Even the scatological stuff. It's all in the mindset.

Based thread any more liks / books

>>40509093
eggsplain?

>>40513330
Make my ex love me and take me back tomorrow. I’ll post results if it really works.

>>40515174
I meant using magic to make the thread more active, not make your ex love you. Besides, she's your ex. Why would you want to get back with her? Clearly something wasn't working for you two.

>>40515121
Look in the back of JSK's Verum. There's a clear historical link between the Brazilian Quimbanda and the Verum. Many Exus have very similar sigils to Verum spirits, in addition to the popularity of the grimoire in the region

can anyone tell me about flagellation/masochism as a mystical practice? how prevalent is it outside christianity? does it work differently if you're the type of person that derives pleasure from the physical sensation of pain as opposed to doing it as penance? any books on the subject? is the original hellraiser a good movie, I've heard mixed things?
I vaguely remember hearing something bout aztec rituals involving putting a barbed string through your foreskin but I don't know what the source on that was.

>>40515341
idk about the foreskin but lady xoc was said to draw blood by running a barbed rope through her tongue
not sure how prevalent bloodletting/auto-sacrifice was in mesoamerica, but it existed
shia muslims perform a thing called tatbir in memory of imam husaain ali's assassination
that's all i got off the top of my head

>>40515189
Meh you’re no fun. Cuz I love her and she has my kids. I miss my family bro.

>>40515596
doubt it, you probably can't take no for an answer and the more she wants nothing to do with you the more obsessed you become

What would be a /omg/-approved travel destination? I want to take a vacation, but if I'm going to spend money on something like that, it must be spiritually enriching. I'm thinking something like Egypt, Turkey or Arabia so far. Any ideas?

bump

>>40516809
Go to India and bathe in the river ganges (don't actually do this you will get a disease)

>>40515596
>>40516527
Plot twist: his ex cast an obsession spell on him and dumped him as soon as she got bored.

>>40465184 (OP)
Can you guys smite my coworker to make him work somewhere else

>>40515596
Uh... story time?
>>40516809
I am a fan of classical magic and spirituality, so I was planning to try Rome or Athens, or maybe the Temple of Jupiter in Baalbek. There's lots of Hellenic ruins in the Middle East too. Fun fact! Just recently ISIS blew up some location associated with Apollonius of Tyana, though unfortunately I can't remember if it was a temple or something else.
If you want to consider Eastern locations as well, there's plenty of places in India, Tibet, Indochina, China, Japan etc.

>>40519927
Best I can do is make you two fall in love with each other.

I have a strand of my crush's hair. How do I make her fall in love with me guys??

>>40520332
Shove the hair up your god damn ass and start saying hail Satan over and over.

>>40520362
Why would you help him? Stop csting pearls before swine.

>>40515341
It's just a method of trance induction, often heavily tinged with misplaced guilt.

>>40515341
>does it work differently if you're the type of person that derives pleasure from the physical sensation of pain as opposed to doing it as penance?
Yeah, in the Christian context it would completely nullify or even reverse the meaning of the practice. The idea is that you are disciplining the body in the name of a higher cause. But if that cause is instead replaced by twisted pleasure, you are honouring the demonic, if anything.
Capcha: WANNK

How bad of an idea is it to make an effigy of yourself, really?
Suppose you may want to bestow blessings on the effigy and therefore on yourself, but also that eventually you will want to dispose of it once you no longer need it. Would there be problems with that?

My book that was lost in the mail system finally turned up. Thanks Vassago

>learn a little bit of magic
>now unironic demon worshippers come asking me to teach them stuff
WHY, GOD. I LEARNT THIS TO COMMUNE WITH ANGELS.

>>40521587
That's probably fine, though I'd argue that you can just work magic on yourself directly without needing to use a sympathetic tool like a poppet. Those are normally for workings where you need a representation of someone who isn't already there with you.

It would be a neat experiment if nothing else, I say go for it and see what happens.

>>40522018
>That's probably fine, though I'd argue that you can just work magic on yourself directly
How would you go about it?

>>40522062
In general, I meant that whatever you were going to ritually do to the effigy, you could instead just do to yourself.
To use a common example: in the LBRP you don't visualize all that stuff happening around a poppet of yourself in order to receive the benefits, you visualize it happening around you directly.
I actually think you should try the effigy thing just to see how well it works. Experiment, write everything down that you did, track the results.

>>40516809
I've wanted to go to Turkey for a while to visit Hecate's old temple there.

>>40522166
>In general, I meant that whatever you were going to ritually do to the effigy, you could instead just do to yourself.
I was thinking of engraving directives into it, to manage my life more effectively and decisively that way.
I am curious to see how it would work out, but it might take me a long time to get it done. Have some work to do both with the theory and the practice of it before I feel comfortable tackling something like this.

>Want to learn Onmyodo
>All english resources are strictly from an academic perspective, nothing from practitioners
Time to move to Kyoto, I guess. Probably would have to learn traditional chinese too.

>>40523293
any reason for it besides being a weeb and muh aesthetics?

Genuinely curious what the point of bringing this bs thread back for? I've kept an eye on it since it's return and there hasn't been a single piece of decent information given, none of you know anything, it's the same crap every day. Omg died for exactly that reason, op is a moron

>>40523498
you really gonna pretend there was any information ever being shared in the thread beyond the library itself?

>>40523617
NTA but here's some original information for you.
I'm >>40510180 and just received and read this book that anon mentioned upthread and yeah, it's not great. It's just a mishmash of Verum translations with some channeling for the sigils that are missing. It's very 90s vibes based at the start: "Just chant the names, man, no practice is incorrect", so it probably appeals to people who are into the S. Connolly enn bollocks.
Interestingly, he lists a load of other books that he's written at the start, including a "diary of a skin walker". Didn't see those on Amazon.
I still think he's released some decent stuff, and the books are cheap as chips, but a lot of the listed ones feel a bit juvenile. Guessing he's grown up a bit since.

>>40525209
>"diary of a skin walker"
lol

>>40525377
Yeah I cringed hard. Probably sold a ton though. Got to respect the grift!

>>40523498
I'm just here for confirmation princess sevenleaf has finally roped his way to gehenna uWu

>>40523310
Great question!
The "logical" answer is that I just find it fascinating in general. The type of spirit work, its very specific geomantic divination system, the many tools it uses, its history of essentially being slandered into the ground, its syncretic nature and more.
The more personal answer is: I've been having dreams about it.

So. We've got:
>Goetic magic: achieves things by using violent compulsion on spirits
>Sympathetic magic: affect anything by affecting an effigy of it (or a related method)
>Astrological magic: utilises timing and ritual in order to harness cosmic forces
>Theurgic magic: petition a deity to get something done for you
>Energy work: you cultivate your own energies in order to accomplish tasks occultly but manually
Am I missing anything? Or are these all the methods available?

>>40526555
Loads of stuff technically falls under sympathetic/natural magic. You also have falling under that talismans which may utilise several of these things, or Eucharists, or really anything involving consecration will use several of these things together

There is also astral stuff, scrying, pathworking etc.

>>40489843
My first thought, when hearing about humans and AI merging is if we could bring the intelligence of animals up as well and I have a story about it in my imagination within another story of human expansion across the Galaxy which inevitably splits into different races due to driven evolution through belief systems.

If a see a broken bug or animal, I try to see if I can fix it, if I don't have the ability, I perform a mercy killing, thinking nothing more of it.
My first prayers were to animals, my first sin to an animal made me cry, beating a dog that was tied up. I'm not gentle to animals, I stay away from them.
If they come to me broken I kill them in mercy. If they are full of life I leave them be. It's been awhile since I have prayed for animals, I will start again.

>>40526555
There's also friendly work with spirits, such as HGA and paredros work. Solomonic magic also doesn't have to be coercive, such as in the Grimorium Verum, where it's transactional

>>40526555
>achieves things by using violent compulsion on spirits
That's not wholly true though. It's what you use as a fallback if there's no response at all. I've never had to threaten any spirit with the burning of its sigil or any such thing. Goetic magic also employs electional timing, and once you've initiated first contact with a spirit, you're more or less petitioning it "to get something done for you".

>Am I missing anything? Or are these all the methods available?
I don't know where you've tucked natural magic in all of that. There's magical qualities thought to be possessed by different stones, herbs, incenses, metals, etc. Systems of magical correspondences tie them up with planets and deities/spirits, which hark back to Iamblichan ideas of symbola and synthemata. That is also present in some goetic operations, so that's another aspect of the theurgic found within the goetic.

>>40527040
>There's also friendly work with spirits, such as HGA and paredros work
Fair enough, I don't know too much about the HGA. I haven't seen much about systematised, non-coercive systems, personally. Maybe my assumption was premature.
>>40526621
I don't know what pathworking is, but I would put scrying under divination rather than magic. IDK anything about astral projection, if that's what you are referring to.
>>40527046
>Goetic magic also employs electional timing
Good point. Maybe a lot of these systems intersect a lot more than it may seem at first glance.
>I don't know where you've tucked natural magic in all of that.
I would classify that as a form of sympathetic magic, you are using a substance associated with a specific power in order to get that power to work on a specific matter. Although, I feel like most of what I have seen referred to as "sympathetic natural magic" tends to be on the impractical side. Like putting a frog's tongue in the hand of a sleeping person you want to ask questions, or something along these lines. Quite different from requesting a Goetic spirit (or an angelic spirit, or a deity, or what have you) to attend to a specific task.

>>40527127
>I would classify that as a form of sympathetic magic
Perhaps, but someone who inscribed his initials onto heliotrope while working the Grimorium Verum isn't quite using it like an effigy or poppet. I'd subsume sympathetic magic under natural magic, but theorizing isn't what I think about when I think about magic. I also don't know why you prefer to think of divination as being apart from magic, but then again I prefer scrying while conjuring a spirit over performing divination with a tarot deck, for example. I'd think of both as being under the umbrella term of magic, but I just like evocatory scrying in rain water or olive oil more. What are you doing exactly? Doing a flash audit of all there is to do or know about?

>>40527198
>I'd subsume sympathetic magic under natural magic
Hmm, fair enough, actually. I suppose depending on one's philosophy, they could even be one and the same.
>I also don't know why you prefer to think of divination as being apart from magic
It's because once you divine all the stuff you care about, there's just not that much you can do with it. Magic is a bit sexier, since it's more active. You don't read the future, you change it! Sounds pretty good, eh?
>What are you doing exactly? Doing a flash audit of all there is to do or know about?
Something like that. I am hoping someone will surprise me and name a powerful and convenient form of magic that I have never heard of. Off the top of my mind, I guess I know very little about Kabbalah and also certain esoteric approaches to the "barbarous names". Kabbalah looks useful, but it seems like a huge commitment and it doesn't really speak to me. As for the "barbarous names", I was intrigued by some views that you need to awaken a special spiritual faculty in order to use them. But that's not the case for me right now, so it's kind of a moot point.
So the search continues. If there's nothing else, I will have to roll up my sleeves and return to alchemy, which is far less rewarding work, personally.

>>40501867
What you suppressed in life and is wiggling out of you without conscious thought.

>>40527418
Well, I suppose there is something to be said about the passivity of interpreting the lay of tarot cards through symbol sets. But I don't see scrying the same way. It can be an important part of goetic magic, whether a scryer is working in consert with a conjurer, or a conjurer with some sight ability is scrying with a crystal or some liquid medium. There needs to be some way to tell when a spirit has arrived, and not everyone is clairvoyant enough to do that without some kind of tool. I don't have wild hallucinations outside the context of magical practice, so I take that to mean that the methods I use help put on the "ghost goggles" instead of me just being plain schizophrenic. As for the use of nomina barbara: it's not my opinion that you need to turn on some esoteric button inside you to use them. It takes a combination of specific timing, materia magica, directional orientation, etc etc in addition to the barbarous names/godnames. But then again, some people report spooky things happening simply by them pronouncing out loud some conjuration from a grimoire. So, who knows what's going on there if they're not just blowing smoke up our chimneys.

>>40465184 (OP)
Hello /omg/ I'm a newfag. I've been wanting to create a magic system for my fantasy world and so I decided to look up occult, mysticism, Magick and the esoteric for influence. This all started out as wanting the seance, evocation magic circles, instructions and stuff seem legit. But I've actually have gotten interested in it.
I recently found out about Esoterica(the youtuber). How do I start practicing? All I know is The Lesser Key of Solomon is a must.

>>40528691
The Lesser Key is not a must. In fact it is incomplete on its own, and you only work it if you're trying to work specifically Solomonic magic. Even then there are other grimoires you should probably work first.
Anyway, to get into this in a qualified way, you should start with a bit of mysticism practice from the entry in the OP. Pick a system and read enough to start meditating or equivalent every day. Then you look through the other entries in the OP and pick a magical system to study, which can be but isn't necessarily exclusive to working the grimoires as their own systems. Continue to study and practice both your school of magic and mysticism until you attain. Profit

>>40528810
Hmm... I see a lot of Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist and Asian beliefs. Does it matter what I am? I grew up religious, Christian, but I consider myself Agnostic. I've always struggled with both belief and disbelief.

>>40470461
This is irrelevant

>>40528939
Probably start out with Golden Dawn or Thelema/aa then, since it works with what you are used to. The A.A. Is essentially a more fleshed out version of the Golden Dawn that is geared for solo work and the philosophy of Thelema, the Golden Dawn is more Christian based and is traditionally based around group work and joining a lodge*, but Thelema also has the OTO for lodge based stuff and with that your mileage may vary


The very first thing you practice is the lesser banishing/invoking ritual of the pentagram


*though stuff like self-initiation into the Golden Dawn, and Kabalah, Magic & the Great Work of Self Transformation adapt it to solo work. It’s so bare-bones before 5=6 because it’s based around the idea that you have to prove yourself before you are trusted with the proper magical practices in the lodge, that’s it’s so much better to just join a lodge that has developed, fleshed out and advanced the practice if you are going the Golden Dawn route. And I mean the ‘Complete System of the Golden Dawn’ isn’t so ‘complete’ because at 5=6 were supposed to practice operations with the lodge and whatever rituals your fellow lodge members wrote, then use the experience to write your own to practice with your lodge members, something that no book can capture.

If the A.A. seems to demanding to you, and you feel like you can only handle something with a much slower pace first, and you are very patient then go through the self-initiation to the Golden Dawn/Great Work of Self-Transformation route first

With the Christian route there is the Elus Coen and Martinism, which like the A.A. is far more structured and offers are far more direct course to attainment but it’s far more demanding to the beginner, and it’s not so accessible

>>40525610
All the names fags roped themselves >>40524952
I accept your concession
>>40523617
Literally the point of what I said, further proving it, Well done.

Omg is an absolute joke just like all you who post here lmao, ineffectual and powerless

>>40529120
bunch of jew shit desu

what system would cut off gay bullshit like harmony and acceptance and focus on power and esoteric-self improvement?

also karma concept is gay

how to do sigils and chaos magick? I heard it's easy, but I am not sure

>>40528691
Where you should start with depends a lot on your natural talents, interests, and also on your character. I did not start with Solomonic magic and if I had, it would have filtered me for various reasons. YMMV.
>>40529939
The "universal love" stuff you find in various traditions, in its proper meaning, is not a moral precept but a form of esoteric transformation. When you love something, you join it to your soul. When you love everything, you "absorb" everything, in a way, and expand yourself into the entire cosmos. And that gives you similar wisdom and power compared to some universal principles that also span the entire cosmos.
This may not necessarily be what you are looking for, but I found that this reframing of the issue helped me understand and be more open to the possibility of it.

>>40530183
so when I love power and idolize it, I absord it?

>>40529970
basically search for a tut on youtube and and know that the way to charge a sigil most people do is to coom on it. mind that if you dont value your coom the universe wont either so start doing semen retention and go for at least 3 days between visualization while cooming on your sigils.
dont forget to burn the coomed on sigils and do forget the sigils.

also it can help if you burn your sigil at an altar you have to something special to you

>>40531275
If you literally idolise it (that is, have a venerating connection with a deity that rules over power) then you are practicing theurgic union with the concept of power, which would produce some effect, yes. But "power" without any purpose affixed to it is unlikely to produce very positive results, IMO.

How do I curse someone? How can I stick a demon on someone?
>inb4 bad karma
I do not give a FUCK I have nothing to lose

>>40531428
*You* can't. Work on yourself instead.

>>40531545
I'll figure it out and then it's going to be so fucking over for you you will never recover

>>40531583
I was saying that from a place of compassion. You won't get anywhere asking strangers online how to get magical revenge. Work on fixing your life and find a practice if you're truly interested. Or don't. Whatever.

>>40465184 (OP)
>https://archive.org/details/the-goetia-of-dr.-rudd-pdfdrive.com/page/175/mode/1up?view=theater&q=Garments

>>40531428
Summon raum and ask for it.

>>40529939
You don't need any of that to do solomonic magick, read and listen to dr Stephen skinner
>https://youtu.be/crEFmZFg8Cc?si=HgR81Drv8P5qs7IZ

>>40530183
>The "universal love" stuff you find in various traditions, in its proper meaning, is not a moral precept but a form of esoteric transformation. When you love something, you join it to your soul.
>tfw you realize Love is the essence of "Coagula"
>and also the greatest single repeated pattern of the universe, from nebulae-to-stars, cells-to-organisms, and people-to-nations.
The occult has officially made me a hippy.

That statue is in Gantz, right?

>>40532305
>The occult has officially made me a hippy.
Famously a better option than being made occult by hippies!

>>40531837
>I was saying that from a place of compassion.
More bodhicitta bullshittery. Your metaphysics of compassion barely makes sense for the basic buddhist mysticism stuff. It makes even less sense when you bring in your "magic", eg muh vajrakilaya, muh kurukulla. Why are there always stupid motherfuckers on here who have to push their bullshit into other people's business? If you can't answer the anon's question, just keep your fucking nonsense to yourself. Keep quiet. You fucking cunt.

My country is experiencing a tick (haemaphysalis longicornis) invasion right now. How do I destroy these bugs magically? At the very least, I dont want any of them near my house. What sort of spirits or forces concern themselves with bug extermination?

>>40532892
New Zealander?

>>40532914
No, I'm Turkish.

>>40532945
Meh. Then your culture has enough magical firepower to handle a tick.

>>40532737
NTA, but you should realize that when you ask for help with revenge, anybody who helps with that takes on part of the karma of your actions. So even if YOU don't care, if your actions aren't good, only a stupid person would help you.

>>40533924
NTA either but go fuck yourself with your concern trolling.
Fuck you, fuck karma, fuck any other dharmic shit.
Keep your bullshit contained to one compartment.
You annoying the fuck out of me and other anons who loathe you is YOUR BAD KARMA.
Go to a fucking esoteric buddhism thread and crap your shit there.
Fuck you.

>>40533943
Its less concern trolling, and more, "You don't realize that you're asking people to fuck themselves over for your sake".

Cuz again, doesn't matter if YOU don't believe in karma...

>>40534042
It doesn't matter because you believe in karma and I DON'T.
And I'm not the only one who doesn't.
It is fucking annoying when you have a specific question and some retard comes in with irrelevant bullshit.
YOU are being one of those retards.
Fuck your beliefs and fuck you.

>>40534042
>You don't realize that you're asking people to fuck themselves over for your sake
Lmao.. all you have to do is not respond to posts asking for curses. But you just have to do you karma karen thing.

>>40534042
It doesn't matter if you don't believe in Allah or Islam. As a kafir, you will burn in jahannam.

>>40534077
>karma karen
A karen isn't the right comparison. That's all about selfishness and entitlement.
This is more like being a busybody...

>>40534085
You're speaking as if karma was just a trapping of certain religions, but SPECIFICALLY in the context of the type of magically help that dude is asking for, a magical operator would need to be looking out for his fuckin' karma.

Some "religious concepts" are part of "The Natural Religion", i.e. observed in nature.

>>40529822
Ok.

>>40535881
Shalom

>>40534142
>Some "religious concepts" are part of "The Natural Religion", i.e. observed in nature.
Yeah sure that's why criminals rule our world rn

>>40536175
>Yeah sure that's why criminals rule our world rn
That's simplistic, but it is basically why criminals would be INCLUDED in the worldly elite:
Because for the most developed countries, various forms of "balance" have been found between the dutiful and corrupt actors within government, which is hardly ideal but has worked well enough.

This is what the natural religion teaches us. That when we have a perpetual binary, we only play into it by fighting directly against the "dark side", and that real progress is made by reconciling the binary somehow.

If you DON'T have some form of balance, and its JUST corrupt actors, as you suggest, then we know what that level of dysfunction looks like among governments because Russia exists.

>>40534142
I doesn't matter what nonsense you believe in. Allah is real and Islam is true. You are kindling for hellfire

>>40536232
>This is what the natural religion teaches us.
There is no such thing. And, you're attempting to pass off your opinion as objective and normative fact.

>>40536236
>I doesn't matter what nonsense you believe in.
Correct. It only matters what we observe and can truly know.

As for your god, he has no power over anyone who doesn't submit themselves to him. Hence the name of the religion. "Islam" meaning "submission" since its for subby boys.
The arraignments for my afterlife do not include him or his sadism.

>>40536250
You can say that, but then, all the most successful human endeavors have followed this pattern.

The universal element of "Good" creates all forms of success, and thus the only people who deny it are perennial failures and hypocrites who don't understand their own tools.

Karma is just the excuse that "magicians" use to explain why they can't do any magic at all. It's Eastern philosophy's great gift to the hippy charlatans of the new age West.

>>40536268
Karma and reincarnation are bullshit concepts that have no power over anyone, except in your own imagination. You will burn in jahannam for sure.

>>40536271
This. But it probably infected the western mind as early as the Golden Dawn if not before.

>>40536284
>infected the western mind
Protip: The reason that happened is because it was true.

We're instinctually drawn to true ideas. That's the only reason a christian-centric society would even CONSIDER reincarnation, let alone consider it as much of a normal idea as we do in the west.

Just think: In the last decade, how many casual references have you heard people make to "getting reincarnated as X" vs "going to heaven"? Its not even close.

See also: Multiverses.
We're instinctually drawn to the idea EVEN WITHOUT proper scientific or even occult backing because we just know its true.

>>40531428
There's a few goetic demons who will do harm to the magician's enemies, which can include physical harm, illness, mental distress, etc. I'm not one for handholdy crap, so you'd have to study up on your own. Good luck.
https://archive.org/details/the-goetia-of-dr.-rudd-pdfdrive.com
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_demons_in_the_Ars_Goetia

>>40536303
Protip: That's why there's lily white Europeans who converted to Islam. And you will burn in jahannam if you don't. Allahu akbar.

>>40536303
>my proclivity to fall for exotic bullshit means EVERYONE is also the same kind of idiot as I am
LMAO

>>40536334
>That's why there's lily white Europeans who converted to Islam.
Not as many as there are mid-easterners who became apostates the instant they were exposed to a better way.

Your people call that, "Western Corruption", I think, and Muslim immigrants huddle into enclaves out of fear of it.
See, because you KNOW that you're culturally inferior and that your children are smart enough to choose better ways (if you give them the chance/ThinkingBlackMan.gif)

>>40536342
>exotic bullshit
I'm not even gonna ask which part you're referring to, because there's no answer that doesn't make you a bumkin.

>>40536284
>https://youtu.be/_63X9jaOeCg?si=x_cFvqJb3csXX0-0

This is what people who goes "right hand path" don't understand: magick =/= religion and spirits =/=spirituality

>>40536348
Lol you're a chicken little kind of retard. I don't care which sky you say is falling. Besides, if you're so worried about "muh karma", just do a Milarepa. Motherfucker killed his uncle and aunt with sorcery and still became "enlightened" in the end. That just sounds like Christian "repentance" or old Catholic "indulgences". Even by the standards of your own sperging karma isn't as big of a deal as you make it. All humanity's different frameworks of metaphysics serve US and OUR convenience. If it's not convenient, modify it or trade it for something else.

>>40536271
Yup. If there's any potential issue regarding curses and such, it's that the intended target might have stronger magic protecting him. That's the real "knockback effect". All discussions of sin and "karma" properly belong in a religious context, exoterically speaking, and this isn't a religion thread.

>>40536523
>All humanity's different frameworks of metaphysics serve US and OUR convenience. If it's not convenient, modify it or trade it for something else.
I've been thinking something like this for a while now.
Why would I choose to believe something that puts me at a disadvantage?
I have no experience to verify the truth of karma or reincarnation.
But I damn well know spirits and necromancy actually exist.

>>40536344
nta but there's also hindus who give up the holy cow shit once they get to the us or uk
you're right about the ease and freedom of modern western ways, but it also appeals to modern indians
should've thought about that before using it as a trap

>we're gonna hit bump limit because of /his/ tier religion posting
lame

>>40531295
How hard is it to forget about about your coomed on sigil? If it crosses my mind briefly does that fuck the whole thing up? How do i continue researching sigil magic after without remembering my coomed on sigil. Its such an odd thing for most people, how do you stop remembering the constant memory of you cumming on a peice of paper and then lighting it on fire.

>>40536654
For real. Most of the Indian and Pakistani engineers I've worked with were functionally atheists or just plain non-religious. A lot of them had some far out sex kinks too. And then their mom fixed them up with some chick from back home or from some other state. Fuckers had to pretend to be good Muslim or Hindu boys then lmao.

>>40537077
I know the meme around here is *hurr durr magic cum doodles* but orgasm and setting shit on fire isn't the only way to charge sigils. The good old fashion way didn't even require an actual physical sigil on paper. You just memorized it, planted it in your subconscious, and then watered it with free belief using Neither-Neither. Then you put it back in your subconscious. The rest of the time is just an active suppressing of it whenever it crossed your mind. Shit worked very hit or miss for me, so I just shelved it and turned to more type grimoire type magic. Haven't looked back since.

>>40537068
Then post something interesting faggot

Anyway Ethiopian or Greek olibanum for frankincense which one is better?

Why all the focus on demons and stuff? I thought it was pretty proven at this point that most real manifestations of Power come from someone's own personal link with divinity, and not through any intermediary

>>40537120
>You just memorized it, planted it in your subconscious, and then watered it with free belief using Neither-Neither.
dang been a while since i read stephen mace
that shit was crap for real world material changes
but really good for self-improvement and change

>>40537566
>another type of karen
Why are you telling people what they can or can't focus on? Go fuck yourself.

>>40537566
Nah, man... this "divinity" you speak of is yet another intermediary. It's pretty proven that all you need to manifest is your own power.

>>40537476
>olibanum
I don't even know what an olibanum is.
>>40537566
>I thought it was pretty proven at this point that most real manifestations of Power come from someone's own personal link with divinity, and not through any intermediary
Why would this be the case, and if it is so, why would there be such a focus on intermediary based practices since the start of recorded history?

>>40537582
nah man... this "you" you speak of is also an intermediary
the most direct thing is power itself

Anyone read Peter J. Carroll's new book "This Is Chaos" yet?
I started it yesterday and the first essay about naive interventionism in magick was good, made me think about when intervention is actually appropriate.

>>40537760
I stopped reading him when he tried to put an overlay of theoretical physics and mathematics onto magic lmao.

>>40537788
He's a physics teacher, can you really blame him? It's the language he's most familiar with

>>40537796
>He's a physics teacher
>It's the language he's most familiar with
Is he though? Then he should know better than to stick things he can't measure into an equation.

>>40537796
>>40537788
Also it's not like math is anything new in magic, Agrippa and John Dee were similarly inclined and utilized math in their magic quite a lot. You could even say it goes back as far as the mysticism of Pythagoras, or even further

>>40537802
Measure? What do you mean? Math isn't empirical

>>40537806
It's not mathematics in general that's the problem, it's Carroll's equations specifically that are retarded. Invoking Pythagoras, Agrippa and Dee doesn't solve the problem of Carroll's equations.

>>40537813
If you apply it to magic with the intention of showing how it "works", then yes. It is empirical. Nice try, though.

>>40537822
He can measure the results, though? What has he put in an equation that isn't measurable, that needs to be for the equation to work?

>>40537802
He employs the same quantum physics crutch that you see in new age hucksters.
That on its own was fine enough. The cringe was where he tried to insert magic.
I'd rather deal with magical and mystical topics in their own terms instead of this scientification.

>>40537633
The plant from which frankincense is made

>>40537834
That's a fine criticism if he's wrong, or doesn't actually get into the details of how his model works and handwaved it all as vague quantum stuff, but he's pretty particular and specific, unlike new age people that want to use vaguely scientific sounding terms for legitimacy. If anything his use of science is to his detriment in the magick circles he runs in precisely because he faces an aversion to science from traditionalists and skepticism from people unfamiliar with him from those who've dealt with new age quantum vaguely. Too much like physics for magicians and too much like magic for scientists

>>40537830
Can he though? I don't know about that, man. By his own admission he knows there's shit in his equations he can't measure. All while throwing in terms like "precise" and "rigor" to. You don't just assert these things. You're gonna have to show them.

>>40537857
>Too much like physics for magicians and too much like magic for scientists
You know, if you're *like* X thing and *like* Y thing, often you end up being neither here nor there. What falsifiable predictions can we make with these equations? What standard magic protocol can everyone agree on from them (bearing in mind of course that Carroll says they apply mainly to enchantment and divination, but not so much evocation, invocation and "illumination")?

>>40538135
Lmao dude.. I think I read the Octavo first and that's the one I hate more.

all this "math" reminds me of bits of crowley
crowley's other appeal to scientism was psychology and the goetia

>>40538244
I think nothing did more damage to grimoire solomonic magic than that "the spirits are portions of your brain" shit

>>40537806
>You could even say it goes back as far as the mysticism of Pythagoras, or even further
To be fair, ancient mathematics isn't like modern mathematics. I am much more friendly to Pythagorean stuff than to quantum theories of magic or whatever.
>>40537836
I see, thanks for letting me know.
>>40538393
That's another reason I try to avoid mixing science and magic. A lot of these old occult theories like those of Papus are heavily tired to then-current discoveries in neurology etc. But then, a lot of that knowledge is deprecated now, and consequently so are the occult theories.

>>40536523
>Lol you're a chicken little kind of retard.
>I don't care which sky you say is falling.
I don't understand in what sense I'm saying that the sky is falling.
Did you reply to the wrong person?

>Motherfucker killed his uncle and aunt with sorcery and still became "enlightened" in the end.
Even if so, that doesn't mean he didn't pay for what he did.

>>40536622
>I've been thinking something like this for a while now.
>Why would I choose to believe something that puts me at a disadvantage?
Because the Truth is going to just keep ticking along, regardless of what you believe.

If you want to actually do well and not just delude yourself, then you align YOURSELF to Truth rather than trying to "choose the comfiest delusion".

>>40538611
Karma and reincarnation isn't something you can prove.
It's something you either believe or don't believe. Stop telling people what to believe.
This isn't the thread for that.

>>40538135
To be fair, very little of what's discussed here would pass the muster of actual scientific rigor. Having said that, if you present a theory of magic dressed in the clothes of scientific respectability, you should be prepared to defend your thesis. And I don't think Carroll would succeed in that.

>>40538505
>A lot of these old occult theories like those of Papus are heavily tired to then-current discoveries in neurology
I think it was Elementary Treatise on Practical Magic that I read from Papus. I tend to have the same problem with Bardon, Barrett, etc. I try to compartmentalize whatever bits of electromagnetic fluid theories and notions of mesmerism from the techniques being presented.

>>40538650
Right, but there's more to karma than just "deciding what happens in your next life", its also an active force sending us rebounds for our actions, just like Newtonian physics, AA;SB.

>>40538937
NTA but Papus had some icky ideas about blood and magic in there too.

>>40539104
Doesn't matter. I don't believe in your crap. Keep it to yourself.
If you can't give an anon any curse magic, just keep quiet.

>>40538937
>I think it was Elementary Treatise on Practical Magic that I read from Papus. I tend to have the same problem with Bardon, Barrett, etc. I try to compartmentalize whatever bits of electromagnetic fluid theories and notions of mesmerism from the techniques being presented.
Yeah I just try to see if what the author says fits in with my philosophy of the world, and if it doesn't, I just throw it out. Such is life.

>>40539117
Hey man, you asked and I'm just telling you why you might not be getting other responses. (they already made fun of me for even talking to you)

If you'd rather have just sat here and wondered, then I'm sorry I spoiled the mystery for you.