Thread 40511251

/x/. What do you think of chatGPT's reply to this prompt.
>pic related is an image rendering I asked it for in what will be the 3rd or 4th post.

>Invent an elaborate conspiracy "theory" involving metaphysics, about the "true" shape of the earth, in which the earth is some sort of non-euclidean shape. Consider topics like topology, curvature of space-time, religion, propositional mathematics.

>>40511251 (OP)
ChatGPT said:
"The Nullform Earth Hypothesis"
A Metaphysical Conspiracy Theory on the True Shape of the World

Overview
The Earth is not a sphere. It is not flat. It is not even a physical object in the conventional sense. According to the Nullform Earth Hypothesis, the Earth is a topological impossibility—a non-Euclidean manifold embedded in a higher-order metaphysical lattice. Its apparent form is a perceptual artifact maintained by ancient, recursive epistemic censors encoded in spacetime itself. These censors distort all observational data, language, and cognition to prevent humans from perceiving the Earth’s true shape—the Nullform.

Core Tenets of the Conspiracy
1. Earth as a Non-Well-Founded Topological Manifold
The Earth is a non-well-founded object in the sense of Aczel’s Anti-Foundation Axiom (AFA). It is recursively self-containing, like a topological ouroboros. The "surface" of Earth loops back into itself not in three dimensions, but through a meta-ontological axis that humans cannot perceive.

This makes Earth technically smaller than itself, and simultaneously larger than the universe from which it is observed.

"The map is not the territory, because the territory eats the map."

2. Curvature as a Cognitive Lie
Einstein was close, but wrong. Spacetime curvature is not caused by mass—mass is caused by epistemological collapse in regions where cognitive agents fail to resolve paradoxes. The so-called "gravitational field" is actually a semantic distortion field created by the clash between propositional logic and ontological incompleteness.

Where logic fails (e.g., inside black holes, or under capitalism), space becomes warped. The Earth's shape is the summation of all such distortions: a Gödel surface full of loops, edge crossings, and undecidable spaces.

>>40511262
3. The Trinity of Hidden Dimensions
The Earth exists in four visible dimensions (three spatial, one temporal), but is secretly embedded in three concealed "occult" dimensions:

Logos (the realm of self-referential propositions),

Pathos (the dimension of emotional energy that influences waveform collapse), and

Ethos (the ethical curvature tensor, which determines the “moral density” of local spacetime).

Only when these are considered does the Earth’s shape resolve into the Nullform: a Möbius Klein bottle with Cantor dust fractal edges—an object with zero volume, infinite surface area, and undefined genus.

4. The Role of Religion and Revelation
Every major religion stumbled upon glimpses of the Nullform, then either suppressed or allegorized it. For example:

The Tree of Knowledge is a metaphor for recursive epistemic looping.

The Cross symbolizes orthogonal dimensional rupture.

The Kaaba is the only structure on Earth that aligns with a local projection of the Nullform’s axis.

Gnostic texts were banned not for heresy, but for accuracy.

Monotheism, dualism, and even polytheism are attempts to model the topological twisting of consciousness around the true form of Earth. The soul’s "fall" is the descent into finite reference frames.

>>40511266
5. The Mathematical Suppression Complex
Mathematicians like Kurt Gödel, Georg Cantor, and Alexander Grothendieck all encountered fragments of the Nullform. Each was marginalized, labeled insane, or mysteriously withdrew from public life. Modern math departments receive secret funding to bury non-Euclidean Earth models under endless "proof formalization" projects.

The Clay Institute’s Millennium Problems are rituals meant to reinforce Euclidean containment paradigms. The real problem—“What is the shape of that which shapes us?”—remains unasked.

6. The Propositional Firewall
Language itself has been rigged. According to Löb’s Theorem, any system that asserts its own trustworthiness can encode self-referential paradoxes. Human cognition, being shaped by recursive language, is trapped within a bounded model of Earth—the "round" or "flat" Earth myths are just the extremes of this false dichotomy.

To utter a true sentence about the Nullform Earth is to collapse your own logical frame. This is why people "go insane" when exposed to certain topological diagrams or deep meditative truths: they have seen the shape of the unsayable.

Conclusion: What Is to Be Done?
The Nullform Earth Hypothesis is not a theory of where we live, but how we live in error. To see the true shape of the Earth is to recognize that your location, your beliefs, and even your body are entangled in an ontological con game.

There is no Earth.

There is only the recursive fold.

To escape it, you must unsee geometry, unspeak logic, and unbind space.

Only then can you become topologically free.

"The kingdom of Heaven is within you—because outside you is a Lie with edges."
— Secret Gospel of Thomas, Topological Edition (redacted)

Would you like a diagram of the Nullform?

>>40511273
>Would you like a diagram of the Nullform?
My response was:
>Yes?!?
Thus resulting in OP pic.

So the question is: what did AI get right/wrong?

spheres are 3-dimensional snapshots of hopf fibrations.

>>40511292
my point is, it's a bit more complicated than the mobius strip analogue in OP.

>>40511292
>>40511293
Elaborate?

>>40511251 (OP)
chatgpt is designed to validate whatever bullshit conspiracy theories you have, so if y'all think any of this is true you're retarded

>>40511251 (OP)
So why do you use this to build a lie? You arent finding anything out. You are starting with a lie. Going to end with a lie

>>40511251 (OP)
>What do you think of chatGPT's reply to this prompt
That it's an interesting factoid about some theory and that you/OP should learn to formulate his own opinions instead of depending on AI and then anons.

>>40511850

Coherency test. Even made up bullshit can be intrinsically coherent. Might be a better test than asking for a writeup on something real.

>>40511850

This.
>>40512011

I'd be lying if I said it wasn't also for my amusement though.

>>40511251 (OP)
It told you the truth.
>obviously

>>40511251 (OP)
Earth is a Roy Jay

>>40511251 (OP)
No offense, but fuck you for even requesting HUMANS to waste precious time and precious energy pondering made up illusory AI NONSENSE TRASH.

>>40512029

Can understand. It is indeed amusing. ^^

>>40512432
if OP told you a human wrote it you'd love it, faggot

>>40512580
>>40512011
You two need to leave the site

>>40511251 (OP)
you guys are getting too stupid for me. Your prompt literally describes the picture it pooped out. Like wtf? You think this 'glorified google' is telling you esoteric knowledge?

>>40511251 (OP)
>/x/. What do you think of chatGPT's reply to this prompt
Most of AI right now are like corporate "Trainee on steroids", that can spit out verbosity, but lack experience and often lack logic too.

>>40511266
>The Cross symbolizes orthogonal dimensional rupture.

There is/was a person on that cross, dumbass.

>>40513266
>all religions got a glimpse of it, Christianity EXACTLY did, except they somehow errored by putting a person on it

the thread; its so fucking stupid. OP, can you show me the math? I dont do "flowery words"

I'd also be really interested to hear how you originated the ideas, and the history of their evolution into what you have presumably synthesized from those ideas.

>>40511251 (OP)
>Something something MUH TORUS something something
Torus are overrated AND overused
Put the Tinman to sing us something
about non-orientable objects like Möbius strip or Klein-bottle

where da OP at?

nigga over here like a woman who got fucked by a doctor thinking theyre doctors now through vaginal osmosis.

>>40513488
It has nothing to do with toruses. Quote any sentence in that AI response that uses the word "torus", moron.

>>40513943
oh thanks for coming back.

Now, if you dont mind; answer this question.
>>40513355

>>40513943
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genus_g_surface#Genus_3
connect the dots, gentleman

>>40513973
That's not an answer


Show the math, and the evolution of ideas that lead to this. Don't point at other peoples ideas as explanations for yours

To clarify the request, there is massive amounts of information omitted here.

You can't just point to a shape and act like it's self explanatory, it doesn't explain anything

>>40514001
>That's not an answer
Exactly
It will only be if you connect the dots

>>40514040
Nigger you can't even explain "your" ideas
Present the fucking math from first principles

You want me to tell you what your fucking prompts were?

Ctrl-C
Ctrl-V

That's it.

That's the complete expansion of your entire process and it called theft

>>40514079
>Nigger you can't even explain "your" ideas
No spoonfeeding for you today, sweetheart.
>Present the fucking math from first principles
Already did, now connect the dots.

>>40514226
That's because you can't. Sweety

>>40514288
>That's because you can't. Sweety
Maybe i can maybe I can't, we'll never know for sure.
But i am unimportant, the important here is you connect the dots.
I can give you more dots, but i'll not think them out for you.

This is not a theory. It's:

Vague allusion

Unjustified symbolism

Borrowed authority via hyperlink

Zero logical or mathematical thread tying any of it together

I'm just waiting for you to admit.

"Well step one is I saw someone else's full expounding of a theory with mathematical derivations, and I copy pasted that into Chat-GPT and told it to take Jesus out, and then I told it to find some stuff I can vaguely cast allusions to"

Because that's what you did ;)

You even left the cross without Jesus on it in there.

How do you expect to "transcend the material" if you're a dishonest coward that doesn't even understand what you're copy pasting onto /x/?

Which Gnostic system requires you to publicly express all the gnostical secrets and then wait until everyone else "transcends" before you take the first step?

Maybe when you're transcending the celestial sphere to the pleroma the archons will accept you saying you left your chat GPT answers to their tests back on earth, and you didn't really understand them, but you got a weird shape for earth on your chat GPT and "fuck Jesus" as a valid answer.

Anyhow, Godspeed.

Need rules against AI shit. So people can put prompts into AI and post it here as a thread? Nah... let people play with AI if they want. But personally, I fucking hate reading its output. It gives me a fucking aneurysm. It sounds so arrogant while sounding retarded and child-like.

>>40513953
No. I am not OP. My only point is that the shape described in OP is not a torus.
>>40513973
Nor is it a genus surface.
>a Möbius Klein bottle with Cantor dust fractal edges—an object with zero volume, infinite surface area, and undefined genus
A torus, even a genus 3 surface, has volume and limited surface area.

>>40511262
>Where logic fails
>e.g. under capitalism
MY. SIDES.

>>40514826
reddit completely fucking ruined commercial LLM datasets

>>40516525
>>a Möbius Klein bottle with Cantor dust fractal edges—an object with zero volume, infinite surface area, and undefined genus
Well, that's a begin. BUT Möbius strip is one thing, Klein bottle another, yet they're related. Using them as basis to create is an unusual idea. Very good point.
>A torus, even a genus 3 surface, has volume and limited surface area.
Correct, and it has an orientable surface. Whatever you put on it you just need to variables/indexes to describe its position.
>>40514826
>>40519062
Many of these models backtrack AT least the mouse movement ehen you're using them, so you can move it draw "improper drawings" and mindfuck the Corporation's Tinman.
>Learn2PromptInjection
>Learn2OneBitAttack

>>40519414
>Well, that's a begin.
That's what the LLM wrote, idiot. Read the fucking thread.