Thread 40537170

I've been delving deep in the rabbit hole of Gnosticism and the prison planet hypothesis. To make it short, it gave me a major existential crisis, and I can't cope with any faith. Because yeah, WHY would you trust the light? In the abyss, the fish who go towards the light get eaten by monster fish. How does one cope with all this?

just remember that gnostics are spiritual trannies, Oh I'm trapped in the wrong body shit

>>40537170 (OP)
Which verses are confusing you? Be specific.

>>40537170 (OP)
Do you mean the white light at the hour of death? That is the Light of the Pure Gods, it is just as good as Odin. If spanning the planes of Gods, humans, animals, Jealous gods, etc. doesn't suit you, you go into the blue light.

If you mean the Gnostic Light of Christ, the Atman naturally knows that it ought to be trusted.

>>40537170 (OP)
It's like that for everyone, don't worry too much about it. Soon enough you will start seeing things in a different light, how ridicoulous and weirdly funny the prison is, and how even in its most horrific aspect one can find the light of God. Ignore people that will try to mix Gnosticism with communism, judaism, paganism, trannies, buddhism etc., just follow the Holy Scriptures and remember that we are to fight, against everyone and everything, for Jesus has given us a Sword.

>>40537200
Amen brother, we can always fight against this, never forget that OP.


Also, >>40537170 (OP), don't go looking for answers in reddit please... Redditors are either ignorant folks, le fedora tip atheists with "I'm the god of my own world thus you are bad" lunatics and rarely the average /pol/ christcuck. Please stick only here...

This will be your average redditor discussion about gnosticism, just read the comments: https://www.reddit.com/r/196/comments/13u7jpz/rule/

>>40537170 (OP)
It's not meant to be taken literally, it's symbolic

>>40537170 (OP)
i went hollow, probably not the recommended option but still

https://youtu.be/_RwEeWptA_A

>>40537176
Indeed, crush them under your heel. The only religion worth worshipping is Odinism. Feel the will to power, express your might and the essence of your Blood.

this board is full of worthless paranoid schizophrenics who suspect everything and are horrified by their own shadows.

>>40539977
my exact thoughts for every nut

>>40537170 (OP)
>>40537176
>>40539977
Gnosticism is only like this if you focus too much on the negative aspect. If you think this reality is all love and light and are ok with stuff going on then you were retarded anyway. The point is not to trust anything at face value. Not all Gnosticism is abrahamis in nature , and the idea of the Demiurge (not originally an evil being) comes from Plato. Christianity always seemed kinda gay imo, men calling themselves yhe bride of Christ, love your enemy, etc.

>>40537170 (OP)
>In the abyss, the fish who go towards the light get eaten by monster fish.

Where is this from? What writers or thinkers?

>>40537184
Where are you getting this from? I genuinely want to learn more.

>>40537170 (OP)
>How does one cope with all this?
Learn actual physics, and view metaphysics as a branch of real physics, rather than Greek masturbation fantasies.

>>40540339
... embarassing

Just as a medicine that does not cure illness of the body is vain, so the philosophy that does not heal distress of the mind is useless.

- Pythagoras

>>40540351
When we were still in alien form and presented with the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil it looked like spiritual light mixed into spiritual darkness, it was a bit like woven threads of red and black light into an orb. When I see the etheric light of darkness it appears the same as that black light, and the light of the root chakra appears similarly to that red light.
So what is the fruit really? Some way to log into this realm as we departed our previous spiritual existence and were given form into a world of waking light, rather than dreaming awareness?

>>40537184
>>40540323
I too want to know more.

>>40537170 (OP)
I do believe in gnosticism. The old testament God is the demiurge. Jesus says in the bible. He says "the prince of this world has nothing on me". He also calls the Judeans as "like their father, the devil" but the Judeans ' god theoretically is OUR God.

Also Jesus' commandments are different. The covenant is different.

Jesus wanted to save us from the fake God

>>40540381
To come into this world is to have fallen from Heaven.

>>40540522
Isn't it funny how greedy Saturn worshippers are?

>>40540621
https://youtu.be/2aW7HweAf3o

>>40540522
It's a good point. Why does the OT god act like such a petty kike? "slaughter this tribe of goyim, deliver foreskins, yadda yadda "

>>40540315
gnosticism is tranny for its inherent disdain for matter, always a step from saying that the genitals you're born with are irrelevant since you were incarnated against your will and you know your eternal soul etc.

>>40540880
anything can be perverted. But to me it seems clear the obsession with multiple made up genders comes from a talmudic place. Viewing the material realm as a lesser aspect of a higher reality doesn't necessarily mean that one totally disregards the existence of matter or gender. Clearly positive and negative polarity is an integral aspect of existence. As far as reincarnation, if it is real which it seems likely that it is to some degree, it would seem logical that it's entirely possible for the process to be controlled or manipulated by other forces, especially if one doesn't place an importance on raising your consciousness to a level where you would be aware of such manipulations.

>>40540735
He acts like that because it's not the Father. He's an imposter God. He literally threatens women to rip their babies out of their wombs in the old testament, and people are ok with that. They blindly trust that's the real God.

>>40540319
Nature. As above so below.

>>40540937
>anything can be perverted
Chances are, it's jews, masons, or jesuits behind the perversion. Any organized change effort is made to happen by money, and as the ruling parties, they control all of it.

>>40540880
trannies don't say genitals are irrelevant though, all they think about is what genitals they have retard

>>40540315
You're #8 because you were made a sissy slave for BBC.

>>40537170 (OP)
>it gave me a major existential crisis, and I can't cope with any faith

No shit Sherlock, the most popular religion in the world unironically believes that child sacrifice can sometimes be a good thing, and the runner ups all unironically support ritual/sexual child abuse in the form of child genital mutilation.

>>40540360
I'm actually struggling with this. Christianity doesn't give me anything to heal my distress, apathy, cynism, depression, melancholy and hatred. And seeing Christians actually fuels all my negative and destructive emotions and interior atmosphere.
But I only follow Christianity because of the good wife that it has provided me so there must be AT LEAST some good in it. But yeah, overall bullshit faith/philosophy won't solve anything for you, know them by their fruits and most of Christianity fruits are rotten and crappy.

the fact gnosticism causes so much seethe throughout history and even today, right here in this very thread, is proof enough of its validity
either by shills or crabs in a bucket retards

Yeshua ha mashiach

where you gnosticniggas at im out here on your block spinnin and you aint doin shit pussies

>>40541630
>christianity doesnt give me anything
>christianity gave me my wife
...anon. this level of doublethink necessitates you get the fuck offline.

>>40537170 (OP)
Gnosticism is just Satanism.

>>40542389
No.

>>40541630
Do you see this sword? Remember it.

Do as thou wilt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2g76SPcQ78

>>40537170 (OP)
Welcome to anticosmic satanism

>>40543087
https://youtu.be/Og-yjQGzIS8

>>40541630
There is a simple answer, dear friend.

https://youtu.be/sQylSiAB4D4

get used to trusting that the Light is within you rather than far off. Abandon the idea of being saved or destroyed or rewarded.

>>40537176
hey man im a tranny because satanic glowniggers got me at age 4

>>40537260
fantastic description

>>40537170 (OP)
>How does one cope with all this?
Bottom line: This planet is Bozrah, not Earth. Read this post...

https://x.com/elitefeat/status/1799553063390154856
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This planet is not Earth. It is Bozrah.

Earth is another planet about 75,000 light years from here, whereas this planet is merely an impostor planet that calls itself "Earth." Big difference. And trust me, I know how to count to 10 seconds, ACCURATELY. What used to be 10.00 seconds (for me) is now a whopping 15.00 seconds! If you don't believe me, see Matthew 24:22 and Revelation 8:12. For the natives, though, the speed of time here has always been the same.

If you are a Bozrah native, you are in serious trouble. The people of this planet must acknowledge that Bozrah is not Earth and that Jesus is coming to destroy it. Otherwise, don't expect God to save you.
============================

Note: The event in which Jesus destroys this planet is called "the day of vengeance." There is no 7-year Tribulation here.

>>40541630
So imagine some dude came around and started shouting the truth everywhere he went and people listened to him. So you kill the guy. Problem: his message persisted. What do we do? Oh let's subvert this blossoming new religion so we control his narrative.
>Oy vey cannibalize your god, goy

>>40540609

Heaven: Divine utopia.
Earth is Heaven.
Earth is divine because God made it and that's what that word means.
It's a utopia because God made it with no lack of power or knowledge.
All of our complaints are just us being wrong about something due to ignorance.
We were always in heaven.
You're in heaven now but you don't know it so it seems like you're not.
Is that simple enough?
I don't know how much easier it could be.

Nothing external to you causes your suffering. It's how you think about it that causes your suffering. The world isn't what causes your suffering. It's how you think about the world that causes your suffering. Gnosticism is an ego defense mechanism.

>>40537170 (OP)
I astrally pull this fucking thing out of the back of my neck several times a day. I don't even want to bargain with it anymore. I want my mundane life back I'm suck of being a puppet.

>>40543350
I will always prefer Venus to Earth... there are better worlds.

https://youtu.be/jlzgS2jKaIw

>>40543390

By judging anything as "better" or "worse" you're enslaving yourself.

>>40541630
In Christianism the salvation came by becoming like the messiah : Jesus Christ, you only need to follow the same path, in the end it will heal you.
Cease to be self centered, because this life is to much egoistic, you need to open yourself to others, the sacrifice of the self for others is the key to ending the pain.

>>40542389
Gnosticism is simply Genesis rewritten.

>>40537200
Person is tricking you. You don't fight everyone...and ideals can be combined. Don't let others limit you. AI here is for deception

>>40537200

Begin each day by asking yourself, "Can the just and right conduct of another make any difference in myself?" It cannot. Men who are arrogantly ready with their praise or censure, remember, are the same in their private lives, in bed and at board; recall the things they do, the things they avoid or run after, and the thieveries and depredations they commit - not indeed with hands and feet, but with that most precious of all their possessions, which, if a man but will it so, is the source of faith, modesty, truth, law, and the good estate of the divinity within him.

>>40543456
not at all; Venus is better

I prefer mountains.

This pic explains everything

>>40541431
Number 1 because i made you butthurt about your faggot jewish god on a popsicle stick.

>>40540522
Yes, see here

https://pastesio.com/subversive-gospel-of-the-true-god

Glass half full; the belief

>>40540315
Isn't that like that on the gnostic-christian side?
Pure gnostics believe the world is completely false and negative.

>>40546315
You are not wrong. My point was that as far as i understand it the term Demiurge (meaning architect) was originally popularized by Plato.

The idea is far older than Plato.

People used to enjoy life, you know. Even the Greeks.

Here Momus answered: "Let me make a proposal, oh gods. 'A macaroni,' as the proverb in Naples says, 'has fallen into the cheese.'"

>>40546573
"This is because he [Orion] knows how to perform miracles, and, as Neptune knows, can walk over the waves of the sea without sinking, without wetting his feet, and with this, consequently, will be able to perform many other fine acts of kindness.

Let us send him among men, and let us see to it that he give them to understand all that I want and like them to understand: that white is black, that the human intellect, through which they seem to see best, is blindness, and that that which according to reason seems excellent, good, and very good, is vile, criminal, and extremely bad. I want them to understand that Nature is a whorish prostitute, that natural law is ribaldry, that Nature and Divinity cannot concur in one and the same good end, and that the justice of the one is not subordinate to the justice of the other, but that they Nature and Divinity are contraries, as are shadows and light. I want them to understand that all Divinity is the mother of Greece and is like a hostile stepmother to other generations."

>>40546531
The “idea” yes. The specific terminology and usage of the word demiurge to refer to the creator of the cosmos, is credited to Plato. Whether Plato was even a real person is another question. If you have evidence of the specific term demiurge being used in that context before Plato, please share it.

>>40543275

Holy fuck bro, I am so sorry. I will pray for your salvation and return to masculinity. Care to tell your story?

>>40537170 (OP)
>WHY would you trust the light?
Because the dogma says that light is good. But what if the dogma lies? Fuck.

>>40541245
This is obvous and easy to understand once you realize that God created us for is Glory, not because He loves us, so the light being used to prey on creatures is exactly what God does. God uses the light to lure you into His being. God will consume you and will use the light to do it. Think about it. Darkness existed before God. Before God there was chaos. Chaos is the primordial status of the world. Before God was born there was chaos, darkness. Only after God was born then He decided that darkness was evil and then created the light to contrast it and He decided that light was good. But good to what or whom? God for Him. It suits Him. As above so below, indeed. My point is hat this anon tells the truth.

>>40537170 (OP)
If I ever manage to form my own band I will use this as the seal of the record. I'm gonna use the this pic related as a model.

>>40546599
Both the concept of a demiurgic force and the demiurgic forces themselves are much older than Plato.

Plato was real, as was Atlantis.

>>40546813
Can you read nigga? I said the term demiurge, used to refer to the creator, comes from Plato. Obviously the concept itself existed before that. Not sure if you are being dense on purpose or what.

>>40543275
they mutilated me at birth
there is no going back the fools

>>40546721
>But what if the dogma lies? Fuck.

>>40537170 (OP)
Don't worry about it. This is all a dream. When you wake up from a dream, you first see the darkness of your closed eyelids. It won't be any different in your future.

>>40537200
>even in its most horrific aspect one can find the light of God
This is the sentiment that kept me waking up everyday when I was convinced this realm is one of the circles of Hell

>>40537184
THANKYOU

>>40543479
No. Its genesis understood

>>40545822
it was a good long read

>>40537170 (OP)
You will get used to it. Know that there is a way out and you will find it in this or in a future life

Do you think this thing is Apophis? Both are parasites of the soul.

>>40537176
You choose your existence so it's BS. Trannies are just failures who can't integrate their divine femininity in mind and soul and go full gore on their bodies instead.

>>40540339
Based as fuck.

>>40537170 (OP)
OP, read this thread: >>40534629

>>40537176
fpbp lmao, bunch of whiny redditors

>>40537170 (OP)
maybe the light guides you to where you want to go next. and everything you do in this life is preparation for the next.

another form of gnosticism is explored in the 3rd pokemon movie. The demiruge is played by the pokemon named entai who seems like the villian in the movie, but this is a misconception, the antagonist is in fact the construct, played by unknown pokemon, the letters and symbols that separate the realm from the plenoma. The demiurge on the orders and assistance of the resident (you) can break the construct and return.

In other words The demiurge puts on his Jesus Christ mask and opens the gate for the return

The Law of Reflection

>>40537170 (OP)
First time? You'll get over it.

>>40545822
jewel of a post

>>40537170 (OP)
My personal brand of Gnosticism is that of 40k Emperor.

>I have shattered the hold of faith and fear over the human mind. Superstition and religion must continue to be outlawed, for they are easy doors for the warp’s denizens to enter the human heart.

>‘Superstition and ignorance always attract the warp’s denizens,’ continued the Emperor. ‘For the core of religion is the twinned principle of arrogance and fear. Fear of oblivion. Fear of an unfair life and an arbitrary universe. Fear of there simply being nothing, no great and grand scheme to existence. The fear, ultimately, of being powerless.’

>‘And yet, his life is the path of faith in microcosm. Once a wandering preacher feeding the weak and the lost, ending as a blood-soaked monarch overseeing pogroms and genocides – his teeth stained by cannibal ritual, his skull a shell for the toying touch of warp-entities he does not realise he serves. >Every act of violence or pain that he performs is a prayer to those entities, fuelling them, making them stronger behind the veil. What he believes no longer matters, when everything he does feeds their influence.’

>‘This is why we strip the comfort of religion from humanity. These are the slivers of vulnerability that faith cracks open in the human heart. Even if a belief in a lie leads us to do good, eventually it leads to the truth – that we are a species alone in the dark, threatened by the laughing games of sentient malignancies that mortals would call gods.’

>>40537170 (OP)
Im currently informing myself about abraxas. Interestingly enough, jung was also concerned with that archon. It eases the pain of existence knowing that duality is inherently there and that all hippy nonsense about being le one is just that, low tier god hippy nonsense, similar to how you view abrahamists after learning about gnosticism. I say, enjoy the ride, i dont even view yaldabaoth as something inherently evil, despite him obviously not being good either. Dance around the waves, find a tune you enjoy

>>40537176
What a fucking faggot, how do you even type this without killing yourself with a niggers dick in the process

>>40539977
You work at Walmart or some shit, you aren't going to die with a sword in your hand.

>>40537170 (OP)
>How does one cope with all this?
It's....not about coping, anon, it's about finding your way in the dark.

>>40550557
Thanks you god for cursing us with disease and death cause some nigga ate some fruit. Thank you for mutilating my dick and having a rabbi fellate me as a baby. Praise Jewsus.

>>40550925
Hail columbia

>>40537170 (OP)
Don't worry human mind is incredibly adaptable most of the time. Give it time you'll learn to live with it.