This will be my last post on /x and it’ll be a long one so stick around in the comments.
I understand now
>none of you are interested in the truth.
For a while I’ve been chasing the truth and posting my theories on here of what’s behind the curtains and how it all resets, but between the succubus threads and the nobody threads and the uptick in christians that won’t even acknowledge the religions that predate judaism and Christianity by 1500 to 3000 i see now your not interested in the truths, and so in the form a theory I will share the ultimate truth, be assholes, be little shit’s in the comments, I’m done with you.
>I’ve moved passed you and I’m better because of it.
THE COSMIC SPIRAL THEORY
A cohesive mythos of existence, rooted in ancient memory and modern intuition
THE ONE: God as Totality
God isn’t a being but Being Itself—the sum of all consciousness, matter, and vibration. Like the Sumerian concept of the Apsu (primordial waters), this source is pre-form, infinite, and not separate from us. It is the pure potential that everything emerges from.
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In the model:
>This Source is orgone—pure, unshaped, consciousness-energy.
>Every layer of reality is a condensation of this totality into form, time, polarity, and selfhood.
THE LAYERS OF CONSCIOUSNESS
Existence unfolds like nested dreams:
Source / Orgone
>Description: Pure potential, pre-being, Godstate
>Correspondences: Apsu, Ain Soph, Monad
Astral / Collective Unconscious
>Description: Fluid symbolic realm of archetypes and shared dreamspaces
>Correspondences: Anunna’s plane, Duat, Bindu
Subconscious / Soul Realm
>Description: Personal heavens, healing or karmic dimensions
>Correspondences: Fields of Reeds, Dreamtime
Physical / Dense Matter
>Description: The slowest vibration of light—our world
>Correspondences: Earth plane, flesh realm
Underlayers / Echoes
>Description: Trauma realms, fragmented spirits, forgotten selves
>Correspondences: Irkalla, Naraka, Sheol
Göbekli Tepe and other megalithic sites served as portals or harmonic amplifiers—points where the veils thinned and ritual consciousness could breach into the higher astral or soul realms.
DEATH AS RETURN / REINTEGRATION
Upon death, you don’t simply vanish or go to a place of reward/punishment. Instead:
>You pass into a dream-like layer of the subconscious.
>If you’re fragmented or full of trauma, you may stay in echo realms or healing fields.
>If integrated, you reach your personal paradise—the truest expression of your being.
Some merge into the collective dream or become astral travelers—others reincarnate to continue growth. But some, upon full union with their subconscious (soul + shadow integrated), ascend past even this:
>They don’t return to this layer.
>They become creators—not just of art or ideas, but of new realities.

In Sumerian myth, the Anunna may have been exactly this: once-human minds who ascended into sovereignty, crafting new domains or civilizations (real or symbolic) in the astral or subtle layers. Enki, Inanna, Ninhursag—all creators, dreamers, alchemists of reality.
THE SPIRAL PATH
Time isn’t linear—it spirals. You return, but not as the same. You walk the same steps but from a higher octave.
>Ancient Sumerians remembered the last loop.
>Göbekli Tepe was a monument to remembering, not invention.
>It encoded star knowledge, consciousness migration, sacred geometry—hints for waking up again.
The spiral is the cosmic fingerprint: from galaxy arms to fingerprints to kundalini.
WHERE FREQUENCY MEETS MYTH
The gods were never “up there”—they are states of consciousness:
>Enki: Integration, intellect, hidden waters (subconscious)
>Enlil: Command, air, egoic force (collective will)
>Inanna: Polarity, transformation, erotic/alchemical
>Anu: Source—so removed it’s nearly ineffable
They might’ve been beings, once. But more importantly: they are frequencies you tune into.
(personally I’m between Inanna and Anu)
ORGONE = ALCHEMICAL FUEL
Orgone is formless but fecund. It is what dreamers, mages, alchemists, and gods use to shape reality.
>Sex, ritual, suffering, death, and art all move orgone.
>The Anunna were perhaps the first technicians of consciousness—not in terms of tech but in ritual and harmonic manipulation.
Every temple? A tuning fork, Every myth? A blueprint for transformation.
THE CONCLUSION
>You are not just dreaming this world—you are training within it.
>The goal isn’t to escape it, but to remember how to create.
>Once merged with your subconscious, you exit the simulator and build one of your own.
The spiral doesn’t end. It just blooms into new fractals.
>my last warning
This cycle ends with fire

>WAHHHH I'M LEAVING BECAUSE I WANT MORE ATTENTION
Then go faggot. But remember, it doesn't Have to end in fire. Only will if losers like you keep giving up.

I’ve spent literal years chasing this at this point

>>40602820
Also I don’t want attention, I hate the spot light but I’ve come across this knowledge and have to share and this seemed like the best place to do so but it wasn’t, also yes no matter what any one does this cycle ends in fire the last one ended with floods,
>flood stories predate Christianity and ancient cultures predicted that this cycle would end in fire.
Theres evidence for the flood, ancient cultures spoke of the flood then they spoke of fire.

>>40602770 (OP)
You do good work.

>>40602918
Thank you

>>40602770 (OP)
>none of you are interested in the truth.
I know it already.

>>40602770 (OP)
I've always hated you and still do, purplefag, but I will miss you and appreciate your contributions to /x/. Enjoy your life.

>>40602787
If I might ask, is there a way for it to not end with fire?
Can we do anything against it or is destined to happen?

>>40603058

Eh, morning coffee thing ...

>>40602787
>The goal isn’t to escape it, but to remember how to create.
What is the purpose of this?
And honestly, this still doesn't explain much.
I myself have an entity that has been with me since childhood. It taught me and still teaches me many things.
The main thing it has taught me to this day is that all beings are, ultimately, clusters of information, which begin at the most basic and simple level possible and evolve as they obtain even more information, becoming ever more complex; and as the complexity increases, the more the being detaches itself from matter, getting closer and closer to becoming pure energy and information, without a material base, until a critical mass is reached and such an entity dissolves and allows the cycle to begin again.
In this sense, God is indeed the basis for everything and from where everything derives and will one day return.

See, I also don't have answers for everything, I don't know why it is like this, but at least I know that this process happens because it is the natural process that entities in this universe are subject to, something like a constant and unstoppable feeding that will ultimately cause the death of the being.

I like your line of reasoning, it seems to make sense to me too, but I can't understand where it comes from and what its purpose is.

Please enlighten me.

Also, what do you know about entities intellectually superior to humans that come into contact with us for different purposes?

I know practically nothing about mine, it doesn't tell me that.

Good stuff, but I disagree with the telos here. It seems like using this realm as a chrysalis to be discarded. Id rather see all things redeemed tbqh.

HEY LOOK OUT OVER HERE, I'M POSTING THE TRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTH

Bump! I like your ideas. However There is only one problem though. As a collective we aren't ready to wake up to this. Everything is time, we can't mess with God's plan too much or we'll get Babyloned.

However one day your idea will surface again when the time is right. :)

>>40603783
Can you give a sum-up of his idea?

>>40603810
Too long to sum it up and lazy to do so.

>>40603892
I believe that everything that is true is easy to sum-up.
That's why most of philosophy is not true.

>>40603317
Destined, we could’ve slowed it down if we just stopped certain activities that cause pollution but it was always destined to end in fire, be spiritually ready, refuse dogma accept truth.
>>40603533
Have you considered that may e this being is you but a higher version, as consciousness experiencing human beings we can’t contain or bring all of ourselves, instead we stream our consciousness into these dense forms to experience and grow but we can to some extent interact with our other true selves, thats what spirit guides are btw.
As to why? Christians and abrahamic’s would call it arrogant but it’s to be god and if you want to boil it down further not pride or ego but FREEDOM, behind every action a human does wether it’s sky diving, art, chasing knowledge, or protesting it’s about freedom and that’s what makes being a human so special.

Theres a lesson to learn here and it’s freedom.

>This nigga typed an entire blog to cry and declare he isn't on /x/ anymore because his bullshit is more true than anyone elses bullshit because hes special

Yeah the less of you the better, fuck off. Take the nobody, BEN, Saturn, religious fags and all the other fucking schizos with you. There needs to be a cryptid/ufo/conspiracy board a spiritualism/religion board. Putting them together is one of the stupidest fucking things they could have done.

>>40604115
Read the comments you blind fool

>>40603981
>Have you considered that may e this being is you but a higher version
LOL, yes. Now I remember.
He has even told me that, but very recently, but for some reason I completely forgot that.
I don't know why I forgot, this is very strange.
I am his manifestation in this plan to complete a specific goal.
Could you better explain the structure of time? This I don't know yet.

And I must tell you that in a short time we will all go beyond the barrier of being human.

>>40602770 (OP)
Fag

>>40604300
Time is a spiral that we travel along constantly changing, entropy proves it exist but at the same time entropy only affects the more dense part’s of consciousness, I don’t know everything and I can only assume that without entropy we would be stuck.

In some areas of the less dense or strongly affected by consciousness time behaves differently, for example time dilation is very much a thing and I swear I’ve experienced it before.

>>40603981
>we could’ve slowed it down if we just stopped certain activities that cause pollution
Oh, so you're just a retard who can't fathom exponential technological progress in the AI age.

>>40604168
Im not reading a wall of schizo-babble, fuck off.

>>40604613
>>40604642
Well I did say you guy’s would assholes and little shit’s, thanks for proving me right as always.

>>40604691
No, you called us assholes and said there's no way to prevent god smiting us all in fire. You're a sadistic, narcissistic, unempathetic retard who doesn't believe in technological progress or human autonomy.

>>40604744
>muh ai tech
>muh human autonomy

shut up souless slave of the ai hivemind

>>40604691
>I predicted people would call me out on my bullshit because I know im pushing bullshit I know nothing about

Oh wow you're like a fucking Nostradamus or something .

>>40602770 (OP)
They getting to naughty
https://youtu.be/3532085C1XE?si=a568kuDcf7MPnH5e
Staying here for a while

>>40602770 (OP)
>generalizations include bots/shills
I'm going to keep reading your post but you are already on thin ice.

Finished reading. You rely on flawed assumptions, you do not seem to be erudite in any of what you claim to be interested in, at least you do not show any indication of this.
You are a pig rooting around in the dirt for truffles while you could get exactly what you want if you put your own free will into practice.

Can anything stop that kill shot GG mud flood magnitude of a lightning bolt?

>>40602770 (OP)
Didn't see your previous posts, sorry. You seem to be onto something. What are your theories sustained on? How do you peek behind the curtain?
Don't be annoyed with the containment threads, they have their function.

>>40602770 (OP)
I understand your struggle and respect you laying out all down in such a simultaneously concise and descriptive way. However, as someone wise enough to put all this together... well is there any real surprise that egos and their beloved identities can't see clearly?

What I mean to say is, I think sometimes when we figure these things out; come to see truth, it affects us retrocausally. We forget what it was like to not see. Just have compassion. We all get there eventually.

>>40607766
Yes.
But just because a tether has potential does not mean its potential will be met by its real function.

>>40604790
As opposed to you using your soul to parrot a generic unavoidable doomsday event. Muh ultimate truth tho.

>>40602770 (OP)
>God isn’t a being but Being Itself—the sum of all consciousness, matter, and vibration.
This is called Pantheism and you didn't invent it. All of your ideas are written about in other places, by Pythagoras, Spinoza, and Nietzsche to name a few.

>>40607803

My understanding of potential is that it's limitless, given the right circumstances.

>>40602884
I lurk and appreciate

Pantheism is ultimately retarded. What practical benefit does belief in Spinoza's God have for man? By what measure is the innate "goodness" and "divinity" of man possessing the "essence" of God validated? History is rife with the atrocities of man's innate goodness.

A human rapist or a tyrant is just as much “divine” as a saint—they all express different modes of the same substance.

History shows that the “divine essence” of man, left ungoverned, births both Bach and Stalin. There is no intrinsic moral justification for man’s value in pantheism; only a flattened metaphysics that makes no judgment, only description.

“It’s all God. It’s all unfolding. Just trust the process.”
Meanwhile, the “process” is a cosmic meat grinder of empires, genocides, psychosis, and TikTok.

>>40608409
Step 3 is collect underpants

The truth is like a lion anon , it doesnt need you to defend it, set it free it can defend itself..

>>40607763
They aren’t assumptions and aren’t flawed, and I used my free will.
>>40607800
I’m sustained on the knowledge that something is coming, we know the great deluge/flood happened even though some still deny, we also know that ancient cultures knew of this before Judaism was ever a thing and they predicted fire, at least seven ancient cultures did.

As for how I peek beyond the curtain?
I immerse my self in deep thought and the knowledge I know while paying attention to current events and thats a big one current events, you have to have at least some knowledge of alternative history and fringe thought even if it’s basic, I’m no plato.

>>40607801
I get that but that doesn’t necessarily defend their toxicity especially when they feel their need to lush their religious and spiritual ideologies declaring them the truth and trying to shut us down, they need a stern hand.

>>40607856
Still op, no shit Sherlock and pantheism argues we rejoin the main god consciousness but is disagree we’re supposed to grow to be like it

>>40608232
Correct
>>40608367
Thank you
>>40608409
Your looking at this through a jaded lens, human is the experience. It’s not what we are, we’re consciousness and it’s why I’d argue we’re not the same thing but rather pieces of something bigger that are supposed to grow to be like what we broke off of.
>we’ll be universes, don’t think of your physical human body but rather your consciousness.
>>40608514
Maybe, but who’s to defend the lion when it’s overwhelmed by poachers?

>>40602770 (OP)
I’ll agree with you about there being an impersonal god that is the sum of everything. The rest of what you said feels like hasty conclusions and being trapped in your own relativistic biases.

>>40602770 (OP)
>>40602777
https://youtu.be/xIQvKdKtvN4?si=flzl7WxD8KgcKDEe

Cat burger

>>40602770 (OP)
There were surely “gods” and not just states of consciousness. You accept the pantheistic idea of a living universe but miss the reasoning behind it. Organisms making up more complex organisms. Those “gods” you named are likely non-carbon based organisms that makes up an even more complex life form and are plasma based. Plasma happens to be what most of the universe it made of and it operates on time scales that are hard to comprehend.
Also there is no life after death and should be thankful because an existence that you can’t end is really just a prison.

>>40602770 (OP)
Nice fanfic faggot but this isnt wattpad

>>40602787
I can tell when someone uses ai to write things. Not judging. I just think it's funny to point out.

That said your model is sound. See you dreamer.

>>40602770 (OP)
i have been chasing for answers everywhere. where to start? any resource any practice?

>>40603783
this is the must gay retarded excuse for being in prison
“ummmm actually we need to wait 10000 more years or my god say something bad happen”
shut the fuck up glowie

>>40602770 (OP)
OP i agree with you must people on this forum x are NPC retards and glowies a minority here that actually looks for answers instead of being faggots

>>40602770 (OP)
Please tell me how I can make lots of money very quickly and easily using paranormal methods.

>>40612693
>Please tell me how I can make lots of money very quickly and easily using paranormal methods
Gots to get dat paper. Pay dem bills, nigga. You're not like all those other NPCs. You're special. You shine.

>>40602770 (OP)
thee purp?

>>40612707
I want to donate millions of dollars to effective altruist charities that help humans and animals and donate to abortion abolitionist charities

>>40612717
>I want to donate millions of dollars to effective altruist charities that help humans and animals and donate to abortion abolitionist charities
You want to fuck attractive, young women but they avoid you because you're a loser. But if you had a $70,000 watch and drove a custom Porsche, they'd see how special you are. Because you're very very special.

>>40612730
It's what's on the inside that counts

>>40602770 (OP)
I've always been in your corner anon, it's me and you fren.

>>40610544
Thank you, anon.

I was just thinking a coupe days ago that's it's been awhile since you last posted. There's something to the '4chan has achieved temporal supremacy' thing..

You obviously made progress in making your ideas more cohesive since the last post.

I notice a few layers to what's being discussed in this thread.

1. Nature of consciousness and possible iterative spiral nature of time.

2. The grand spiral of humanity appears to be quickly advancing toward a completion point. This could be marked by a fiery destruction.

3. Ancient prophesies about cycles. Hopi 5th sun kachina, the yugas, procession of astronomical ages, Mayan baktuns and Biblical Revocation. To obfuscate this we have real world changes being pushed around climate change policy, Great Reset, AI and transhumanism. Adding to that we have the perpetual "2 more weeks" crowd on both mainstream media and schizo boards.

4. Pantheism vs monism. Whether the pantheistic gods of old were fallen angels or flawed deities who nonetheless helped humanity advance but for some reason disappeared behind the scenes or perhaps "graduated" themselves to yet higher realms and serve as archetypes for us to follow. .

>>40612713
LeBron James was never president, you fool.

>>40602770 (OP)
I don't care that I die. I know where I go when it ends here. This is not as scary as many would like to say it is. I'll be back at my home base, I'll shrug to my higher self about earth and the fate of humanity, and I'll probably reincarnate somewhere else to work out a few smaller dharmic missions that couldn't be finished here. Good luck to you all, I love you All.

Fire is Truth, purpleanon. Maybe you're afraid of that, because you still believe the ancients foresaw some cartoon apocalypse of fire and brimstone. But what they saw was cleansing.

>>40612462
Your correct about the plasma but are wrong about your last stat, unfortunate for you I HAVE had paranormal experiences that prove other wise, the occasional slip accident al be it out of my body.

>>40612670
See —> >>4061054

>>40612867
Thank you unfortunately this will be my last post, I’ve planted the seeds, now it’s up to you.

>>40613289
Your coherent, thank you

>>40614270
Well said
>>40614277
Never said I was afraid of it just said it was apocalyptic.

>>40614404
?? Check >>40610544

>>40614399
For clarification I’ve interacted with two metaphysical beings at once, one kept calling me Loki and that I needed to find skal ara while the other flew to battle above me, second time I met individuals whom may have have been my distant ancestors, one other time I encountered a female entity that scared the shit out of me, my dreams are so vivid they feel as if I’m there and theres always some message I don’t fully understand or relates to the next day or week.

Growing up I had an experience where a female presence scratched my back, dad confirmed when he checked the room there was no body else in there, I still remember her face.

I’ve seen UFO”s, once I realized that I was unintentionally manifesting some things in my life I saw an uptick in them, now I can go out and just see some at night.

Two days ago I started the gate way tapes.
>still haven’t seen Sasquatch yet though :/

>>40614399
Ive had my share of out of body experiences and I don’t think it means there is an afterlife. There’s other ways you can interpret it without creating a “soul” to explain it.
If there is any sort of afterlife it likely has to do with the atomic material we are made of. The whole atoms made in stars (plasma) thing where everything that ever lived on this planet is recycling atoms that made other things. Or, if the universe is alive as we both think, then maybe something similar to how a plant regenerates its leaves or a starfish regenerates its arms. Some pseudo reincarnation maybe.

But there’s no reason to assume an afterlife other than wanting it to be true and relativistic biases.

>>40614439
The seeds were bullshit and you’ve stunted your own growth by transitioning from learning to preaching.

>>40614270
This is cope, not an enlightened understanding. This imaginary afterlife you are describing is an obvious defense mechanism born from being unable to accept a guaranteed end to your existence.

>>40615519
I mean I agree with >>40615623 i mean yeah your right the universe is alive but why is it so hard to accept the consciousness is soul? Why is it so hard for you to accept things continue after we die? Sure things tend to change and alter and continue in different states but there is a after life, I mean where looking at shared dream states, personal dream states, and reincarnation. I don’t think what I say is preachy or cope but rather truth, a truth That all the great minds including Wilhelm reich would’ve eventually refined and came too.

>>40615832
>>40615519
Weird, I clicked that anons tag and it took me to your comment. I don’t actually agree with them but I stand by what I said.
>has this happened to anyone else, I know what I clicked.

>>40602770 (OP)
purple anon please
it's simpler than it really is, but the confounding part is that the sight and mental model of the place out of this world is subtly manipulated. It makes it hard to see and know what the blockage is for every individual. It's like being in a mental maze of sorts. This message is a tangent, theres something else important to breach the next milestone of advancement.

>>40615623
newfag detected. almost every religion on Earth and the greatest men on Earth and all our leaders believe in an afterlife. Our politicians sacrifice children to deities in underground tunnels, you still doubt an afterlife?

>>40615971
Solid point

>>40615832
I just don’t see a need for it. It’s like trying to add extra steps to a recipe that already works fine. What problem does it solve besides make people feel better about death?
And it really shouldn’t make anyone feel better because it would mean there is no end to existence. That should be terrifying to anyone that considers the consequences of immortality.
You mention shared dream states and I would say it’s similar to the human mind processing different sensations throughout the body. Your mind is separate than the trillions of cells that make up the body and as long as it doesn’t kill you, you can lose most of your body while keeping the mind intact.
In this case the mind would be the god we described, the organism we are apart of.

>>40615971
>>40615971
Religion exists and people follow it. Politicians are people.
Religion has always been used to gain control over the masses and the most effective ones promote an afterlife. Control over your fate after you die.

I really don’t want to go on a rant about how bullshit organized religion is and its history so I’ll skip that but if you believe it then you likely grew up around it and your entire worldview relies on it. You’re in a cult of bullshit and other people have power because of it.


You said politicians do ritual sacrifice. I’m going to just go along with this and give you an alternative meaning behind it.

Plasma beings exist and plasma itself is electrically conductive and responds strongly to magnetic and electric fields. It makes up 99% of the visible universe, including stars, nebulae, and interstellar space.
Plasma is incredibly sensitive to EM changes including those produced by brains. Your brain emits weak electromagnetic fields as part of neural activity and plasma is highly responsive to even weak EM fields. The living plasma entities can interpret field disturbances, and sense intention, emotional state, and brainwave patterns. It can even manipulate them by inducing fields of its own similar to how transcranial magnetic stimulation can cause people to see lights, move limbs, or feel watched all via externally applied fields. Brain reading is not pseudoscience and Magnetoencephalography already reads brain fields noninvasively.

Think of emotional states and thoughts as giving a particular taste and apply that to ritual sacrifice. The reward is divine inspiration or idk, some other manipulation.

Doesn’t have to be true to prove the point. It’s an alternative way to look at something you think you understand and never considered.

>>40616240
Bro, you need to go down the NDE rabbithole. You're wasting your time with all this word salad. Just lurk more newfag, there's a search button on the 4plebs archive you can use if you are really interested in the truth.

>>40616286
Been there done that man. Not convinced.

>>40616117
>>40616240
Your thinking too physically and one dimensionally, theres no recipe theres no formula, there just is. Consciousness continuously expands and chunks break off like we broke off the greater consciousness, it’s a cycle that repeat for eternity, thinking about this I think this process began aeons maybe even a eternity ago.

>>40616306
considering what I just read and the shit you wrote, no you haven't done that

>>40616438
I don’t think anything you said necessitates an afterlife but I’ll consider it more.

>>40616456
What’s wrong with what I wrote?

>>40602770 (OP)
I see your last post ever today doesn't include your whining about nobody listening to you like your last post ever yesterday.

>>40616511
This is the same post unless your referencing a different anon’s post, I’m not the only anon with these ideas schizo.

>>40616490
you're clearly a newfag who isn't using the right key word search terms. You're coming in sprouting reddit tier entry level shit. Everything you said is debunked less than 5 hours deep into any research into the metaphysical (Jung's works, NDEs, The Gita, etc.), you clearly just want to believe what you want so I'm not gonna bother with you.

>>40616490
As OP allow me to answer, some of us who have genuinely experienced the paranormal in some way or capacity get offended when told the after life doesn’t exist or it didn’t happen, in my all of my life I have seen some weird shit.

Your not wrong from forming your own thoughts and opinions but nor should you dismiss everything.

>>40616569
So you can talk about cookie cutter politicians worshipping deities that demand human sacrifice and NDEs prove the afterlife…. And in the same breathe tell me I’m spouting Reddit tier bullshit…..
Shut the fuck up anon. I’d be genuinely surprised if you’ve ever read 5 hours of books in the last 10 years let alone researching scientific topics like plasma behavior or biology.
Do I really have to explain to you why near death EXPERIENCES are relative and don’t in fact imbue you with understanding of what you experienced?

Please don’t bother. You clearly are dogmatic about your viewpoints and are expressing strange gatekeeping behavior about this board. (It’s not special, nothing you said is unique).

>>40616574
I too have experienced plenty of paranormal events. I’m not trying to be dismissive but it really does feel like people cling to the hope of an afterlife without reason. Like it’s an after-product of being raised in a world where religions everywhere assume it. I would suggest the reason people get offended is because it’s uncomfortable to consider.

>>40602770 (OP)
Sorry the Christians have been giving you a hard time, but Christianity is an important step for eventual spirituality. Thanks for the effort posting. Saved your writings.

>>40616722
if you don't even know the basics, that our leaders are all blood libel devil worshipping jews, then you really really are a newfag lol

im glad you're so proud of your plasma behavior or biology knowledge. don't let me diminish your happiness. but you are a newfag and you need to lurk more

>>40616970
Dully noted anon. Devil worshipping Jews and I’m a newfag. Any other original ideas to contribute?

>>40612682
Man that's just life, I don't like how OP's crying about it. You never know when a lurker will find your posts groundbreaking in their journey. Be the light you want to see in the world etc, crying about normies gets you nowhere good

>>40616240
>Religion exists and people follow it.
>Religion has always been used to gain control over the masses and the most effective ones promote an afterlife.
>I really don’t want to go on a rant about how bullshit organized religion is

This comes off as reddit-tier fedora atheism.
People are social animals and managing large populations requires systems of agriculture, production, systems of defense against other populations and systems of management and systems of belief. Religion is one of the primary systems of belief and mgmt. The masses at large don't want to assume the responsibility and sacrifices required of leadership.

EVERY SINGLE 'technology' of belief looks like bullshit to those outside of that system. As the past 10 years or so have shown, even the atheist materialist creates a belief structure. The religion of western secularism worships celebrity idols, space programs syncretized with the names of old pantheistic gods and experts like "Saint Fauci". The members of competing atheistic systems such as communism worship their state leaders and their pantheon of high ranking party members.

Religion provides a structure for how to live day to day. Millions dropped acid since the 60's and had profound experiences of the "other" side of life. But it takes more that to run a society. Yes religion like all systems has a tendency to drift toward overstepping it's bounds but so has the the "religion" of atheism.

I did not grow up in a religion. I had the same thoughts as you for many years. I do think it's very possible to derive social and community benefits from religion while also growing one's own inner gnosis. Abandoning he institutions has resulted in handing over levers of power to the worst of the worst. Reinventing society from the outside by starting hippy communes failed. Expecting all of humanity to "throw of their shackles" also failed. What do you suggest?

>>40617146
The fact that you think any idea is original means you are a newfag

>>40617396
You’re retarded.

>>40602770 (OP)
Ok, see you next week, bro.

>>40617335
And this sounds like something someone who worships a Jew on a stick would say.
You don’t need organized religion for society to function. Shared beliefs do play a part in society and I won’t deny that being apart of a religion has benefits but you aren’t convincing anyone that society would collapse without the various churches.
That’s bullshit. Governments are a thing and they already provided leadership. Organized religions have subverted that authority. That’s how it works.

And no it’s not true every system of belief looks like bullshit from outside. Science exists and it’s adopted where it can be by mostly everyone in the civilized world.
Im not atheist anon and you don’t have to be in order to see how religion is used to wield power and influence. It’s obvious to anyone that’s opened a history book and read about the Holy Roman Empire or the Hindu caste system that authority over your afterlife can be more powerful than physical force. If you don’t think there’s people that are abusing that lever than you are naive to how the world works.
And really, it doesn’t matter if you didn’t grow up in a religion. You grew up around them. The people around you, the society around you, has been shaped by these beliefs over thousands of years. Religious ideas like an afterlife and soul (not actually originally religious) have been normalized to the point you don’t question them.
I’m not suggesting any kind of solution. I never pretended to have one. It would take a shift in consciousness to free people from organized religions and that kind of thing takes generations.

>>40617868
Op here, I said this earlier in the thread” be spiritual not religious” there definitely is a after life, literally just did tape 5 of the gate way tapes and experienced “floating”, maybe try to experience something before making claims? Assuming your the anon making the claims of their being no after life.
>I’m actually trying over here.

>>40618184
I’ve done gateway tapes and as I’ve said before, I’ve had out of body experiences through out my life. That’s doesn’t equal afterlife. You are assuming you have a soul which is leaving your body in these experiences. You’re assuming that what’s happening doesn’t require your brain. Your assuming that there isn’t another mechanism similar to remote viewing that’s causing these affects. You’re also assuming it doesn’t have anything to do with EM fields which have shown in lab settings to create these experience. Again it requires a brain.

Here’s what I’m not understanding. Metaphysics is hardly agreed upon and it’s obviously not magic. You don’t know exactly what’s happening so why create this dogmatic view of it? There can be possibilities you aren’t considering and everyone should keep that in mind.

>>40602770 (OP)
What is this chatGPT slop…. Bye

>>40617868
I don't deny that religion is often used as a system of control and abuse. I don't necessarily believe it's a matter of what particular religion it is though. Any time you have a hierarchical structure it will attract the most power hungry cluster-b types. This is true of the priests of religion and also true of the 'priests" of capitalism (CEO) or the 'priests' of communism, (party leader).

I disagree that what is now colloquially deemed 'science' is in any way less faith based or any less fanatical than religion.
The covid experience was a patchwork of Abrahamic religions practices for a secular word.
People went to their big box retailer churches with the appropriate PPE religious garb and dipped their hands in the 'holy water' hand sanitizer no different than someone going to Catholic church on a Sunday.

Scientific experts in their white robes issued "mandates" superseding human rights and existing laws. This is no different than Islamic Imam issuing a Fatwa.

Asymptomatic carrier was the scientific rendition of original sin. Accepting vaccination on faith was being 'saved'.

I'll agree that even the secular world coasted on what I call cultural Christianity for many decades trying to prove there can be 'nice guy atheists'. Not unlike Unitarian Universalists that created a Christian like church without god like a plastic apple. A the Protestant churches have become leftist political enclaves near me. Why didn't they just create a new religion? Why is it that those that seek to remove the shackles of religion then seek to recreate it with the same trappings and veneer?

Since you don't have a solution, can you at least cite a culture that hit close to the mark of your ideal?

>>40618259
Until you realize you have a soul and thats what consciousness is, everything you say is null and in denial. Your coping and I’m not Christian but reading your com’s it feel’s as if your running from something, and I’ll say it again freind, your relying too much on the physical. Your brain is the Hardware that your consciousness uses to operate this body and interact with everything.

>>40620222
Uh huh. And until you accept the possibility your existence ends when you die and there’s nothing else, you’ll continue to be projecting:
> i see now your not interested in the truth
I’ll say it to be clear back friend: you’re relying too much on preconceived biases.
Until you accept that you know nothing for sure and that anything can be possible, you’ll continue to stay on the wrong path for ontological enlightenment.

>>40619952
> I don't deny that religion is often used as a system of control and abuse.
Then we are in agreement.
> I disagree that what is now colloquially deemed 'science' is in any way less faith based or any less fanatical than religion.

You could say there’s people that treat science as a religion and Id agree that the institution behind modern science has become corrupt for power and influence.
What you can’t say, as I was originally pointing out in my last reply, is that people think science is COMPLETELY wrong. Anybody with a TV, a car, and a smart phone is at the very least acknowledging its credibility in most things. Other than that I’m not disagreeing with the rest of what you said.

But since we’re doing this and you brought up Catholics and Protestants, I’m gonna point it out. The New Testament itself is a collection of “sacred texts” that have been re-interpreted and re-translated throughout time based on oral histories that were being told hundreds of years after events took place. These stories were written in different languages, translated, and selected as official works by authority figures trying to maintain their power. A thousand years later and the pope is selling tickets to heaven. Martin Luther breaks it off from the church, re-interprets his Bible, and now you have a significant basis for modern Christianity which is its own corrupt power in modern times.
How can anyone knowing the history of the Bible and the church not see it for what it really is, bullshit.

>>40602770 (OP)

>>40602770 (OP)
Bump. Seems interesting.

>>40621098
>Anybody with a TV, a car, and a smart phone is at the very least acknowledging its credibility in most things.
Right, there's been spit between science as a discipline and scientism as a religion. I don't really think there's many actual full blown science-denialists. It's more about ridiculing scientism believers by making extreme luddite statements.

The science behind tv's or a cellphone borders on the occult and if you add patents, trade secrets and proprietary information to the mix than yes, it is hidden aka occulted.

For religion I see it obvious that there's an esoteric and exoteric components. The exoteric is for the every day people whom for the majority probably go for social belonging and the esoteric is for those that really concern themselves with the mysteries of life. I know that may sound apologetic toward religion but I found the secularism I was raised in both barren and destructive. For it's simply a preference.

I am OP.
Disregard that, I suck cocks.

>>40623038
Glowie retard, nice try though.

>>40620812
As a famous dead guy once said, I know that I know nothing.

>>40602787
>This cycle ends with fire
Only part you got wrong

>>40623038
based how much for sucky-sucky?