If you believe in one of the big religions this thread is probably not for you. It's about what most near death experiences, mediums or people who communicated with the other side say.

Apparently you and me, human beings, are just "pre-planned characters" that your soul send down here to experience lessons or hardship. Your struggles? Body? Pain in your life? Yep, your soul planned it. You're just a video game character. An experience. And once you die, the soul often looks at the body/human like a stranger, like an object they just shed and move on. This is also from near death experiences.

Most spiritual people seem to not mind this, but I find it extremely depressing and bizarre.

the suffering continues

Yes
I am the chosen one
My pleasure

https://youtu.be/7JEjQG4-tpU?si=_XfYJFtc6BOWtvQ0

>>40631703 (OP)
>your soul send down here to experience
yes, but its never sent back up

>>40631764
It keeps going down?

>>40631771
recursive cosmic aeons do be like dat.

>>40631703 (OP)
>Most spiritual people seem to not mind this, but I find it extremely depressing and bizarre.
because religions teach either utter submission to god, ergo accepting the simulated character imposed on us, or detachment, which practiced long term begets the dissolution of said character. It is strange though, no matter how you look at it, the more you delve into this matters, the more it seems "heaven" and "angels" are just a pyramid scheme organization of psychopaths in a deeply complex suffering farm. The only way out is to learn to literally not care for suffering at all, ergo, become a psychopathic god yourself.

>>40631952
>The only way out is to learn to literally not care for suffering at all, ergo, become a psychopathic god yourself.
Ugh :(

>>40631952
Lol
WTF
Becoming psychopathic should not be anyone goals
They are defective people lol

>>40631952
Or you can understand that suffering is self-imposed. You can easily nope this shit right out. Just because you free yourself from it doesn't meant you dab on those that don't and go postal on their vulnerability.

>>40631952
this.. is not at all a good way to look at any of this but I assume you've been convinced of this way of thinking for quite some time.

>>40631703 (OP)
Most belief systems preach and warn about eternal damnation, talk about your video game theory when youre damned in some interdimensional hellscape, what is even the source for this theory you posted
Is this your own personal belief of the afterlife? Havent seen anything similar on any religion
>>40631952
Psychopathy is a mental illness, you literally have to born with a different brain in order to be like that
What is more stupid is this
>You have to learn to not suffer or not care about it
You literally have a whole system of nerves for that, for you to care about suffering
If the dissolution of your character was supposed to be the final goal of human existence why even bothering with not caring about suffering, any type of investment in the character would obviously prevent you from total dissolution, which again, doesnt make sense

>>40631703 (OP)
>bro ur a video game character there is a higher power above you that means your existence is like worth less than it otherwise would be
why
throughout heaven and earth I alone am the honored one, idiot
so are the trillions of microbes I've killed just by moving recently
they alone are also the honored one

>>40631978
>Or you can understand that suffering is self-imposed
You can, and so you transcend suffering. In other words, like I said, you stop caring, this is the buddhist detachment way of doing. And so you go alone to the higher planes or wherever, you can embellish it in beautiful words, but still, it's just not caring, and if that's how it works, it implies that any entity above us has to not care for us so as to not fall into this realm again, see where I'm going with this?
>Just because you free yourself from it doesn't meant you dab on those that don't and go postal on their vulnerability.
That's how this realm works, you are a reality creating soul with amnesia, and you are preyed by souls who are deeply traumatized by the ideas of death, hunger, poverty, loneliness, and such, distorting your own reality creations. Suffering will continue to exist in you reality bubble for as long as you care for people that are suffering, ergo, the only way to extinguish suffering is to not care for people that are suffering, again, this is detachment, just explained in truth.
>>40632000
>this.. is not at all a good way to look at any of this but I assume you've been convinced of this way of thinking for quite some time.
I'm ready to face god and tell him he's a psychopath, idc

>>40632013
>Most belief systems preach and warn about eternal damnation, talk about your video game theory when youre damned in some interdimensional hellscape, what is even the source for this theory you posted
>Is this your own personal belief of the afterlife? Havent seen anything similar on any religion
nta but OP said in his post, this is not from any religion, it's from the accumulated knowledge of NDEs and channelers that are popular on yt.
>Psychopathy is a mental illness
Sure, I'm using it as a word to mean that the gods or whatever is above us don't care for our suffering, call it whatever you want.
>If the dissolution of your character was supposed to be the final goal of human existence why even bothering with not caring about suffering
"goal" is already a human concept. The soul exists, that's all there is to it. There is no reason for existence, or rather, existing itself, is the reason for existence. There doesn't have to be a goal for humanity, and yet, we suffer. You can sit and do nothing and still suffer as the passage of time degrades your body. It's a suffering simulator, and to escape you have to simply not care for said suffering. Again, you can embellish this in words, or give it spiritual connotations. None of that changes the fact that we are here, and gods and angel are above not giving a fuck.

>>40632096
>you stop caring
You misunderstand. Not caring about suffering doesn't make it go away, in psychology it's called repression. Understanding the origin of suffering, to forgive yourself, are the necessary steps to move on. We will always carry the source of that suffering, but it will have negligeable effects.
The rest of your perception, i outright don't adhere to so I won't adress it. Maybe it's the source of your suffering and you refuse to let go and forgive yourself for turning your back on what you perceive the divine is.

>>40632160
NTA but "just move on from the suffering while it's happening all around you and is hard-coded into reality so you're at peace" is like being an uncaring psychopath. You're at peace, everything else is burning.

>>40632013
>Most belief systems preach and warn about eternal damnation

Yeah, to control people into obedient slaves. But if you actually look into people who deal with death even beginning at hospice nurses 90% of experiences even for atheists have nothing to do with damnation and more like mystery, peace, light.

>>40632212
>"just move on from the suffering while it's happening all around you and is hard-coded into reality so you're at peace" is like being an uncaring psychopath. You're at peace, everything else is burning.
It goes both ways. What if a deity showed you that no one cared about you, so you could be at peace with them being eliminated. Hypothetically.

>>40632212
You are the master of your reality but your empathy has been hijacked by those who wish to bring you down with them.

>>40631703 (OP)
>Your struggles? Body? Pain in your life? Yep, your soul planned it.
Just like when the date rapist drugs you then destroys your asshole and immune system with AIDS simultaneously. What actually happened is you chose to have a worse life. Source? Oh yeah you don't know or remember anything, but this nice guy who came by for some reason said that's what happened though so it must be true.

>>40632262
Burger cant think of anything else besides faggotry. Color me surprised

>>40632275
All you typed in OP is already worse faggotry. The only possible option for suffering is because you planned it, even though you remember nothing and have zero proof of it. Nothing but incredibly gay cope. The scenario I described could happen and you'd really say oh man I must have chose that. Stupid bitches.

>>40632293
>>40632262
You weren't even talking to OP, retard. I'm OP and >>40632275 wasn't so stop boxing with shadows.

> that's what happened though so it must be true.
Well, you got any better explanation as to why you are here and everyone is suffering? Please share your ideas.

>>40631703 (OP)
I find it bizarre, but after "traveling" in my present life I don't find it depressing. I was wrong to think of it like a character selection screen before life. "Selection" is an interface that never really goes away, it's just we lock in characteristics and timelines as we go. The choosing becomes reflex in youth, as others guide us through, but reflex can be over turned.

>>40632293
Oh and to add to this. There are more sources for this than for anyone else. Near death experiences and psychic mediums happen in all cultures, everywhere, and are more or less consistent with some slight differences or outliners.

So yes, this is actually the best source you can have versus what do you have exactly? Anything? No? Then why sperg out.

>>40632321
Why are they so sketchy in every culture, and quickly consumed by western innovation as soon as it reaches them?

>>40632334
NDE aren't consumed by western innovation. It happens everywhere to this day. People have these experiences non-stop til the dawn of time probably.

>>40632342
>NDE aren't consumed by western innovation
Then why do we explain them with psychology and neurology? Why do people increasingly turn away from spiritual explanations given by their native cultures and instead accept a phenomenological explanation given by science? Could it be because what is seen is largely dictated by culture an experience, meaning it is a reflection of physical embodiment, the very thing claimed to be escaped in NDEs?

>>40632315
Any idea is better than pretending you wiped your own memory and set yourself up to suffer. It's extremely easy to use this logic on a slave who's memories you wiped. Even the more primitive technology here from ages ago can remove people's memory. Why would you trust you did it to yourself?
>>40632321
If people can make detailed lies or fake scenarios in this life why couldn't they do the same in the next life with less limitations? They have infinitely more experience, could easily manipulate new people and you would have no idea.

>>40632366
>Why would you trust you did it to yourself?
Because I hate boredom.

>>40632366
>Any idea is better than pretending you wiped your own memory and set yourself up to suffer.

Ok, present your idea and the evidence to back it up with some evidence or sources.

>>40632361
People are turning away from organized religions (in some parts of the world) and turning towards spirituality. You'll find research about that, sometimes it's even about people turning back to religion.

>>40632369
Almost everyone hates boredom and there's much better ways to alleviate it. Why would anyone need to suffer extra, usually for a small few's benefit, to get rid of boredom?

>>40632382
>Ok, present your idea and the evidence to back it up with some evidence or sources
The existence of scammers alone should tell you why it happens. Not everyone is suffering the same amount at all and people have always lied for profit.

>>40632382
That's a "whataboutism," not an answer. Trust me when I say I'm very familiar.

>>40632384
>Almost everyone hates boredom
So it applies to almost everyone.

>Why would anyone need to suffer extra
Exactly, it's much easier to forget. Ignorance is bliss until revelation, and revelation is a gift only forgetting can return. If I was bored of simple things the solution would be easy. Are you bored of just simple things?

>>40632398
People lie, kill, torture, destroy health, cause stress and drama for profit. Some of the richest do all this. That could be for money or other resources or toys or the pure enjoyment of suffering itself.

>>40632402
But why would you think it's only negative things causing suffering that are more complex? If ignorance was bliss these people you're talking about wouldn't be suffering.

>>40632402
>That's a "whataboutism," not an answer. Trust me when I say I'm very familiar.

How is telling you that younger generations are turning back to spirituality "whataboutism"?

>>40632421
If there was no suffering there would be no point, no way to learn and grow, to improve, to reveal, to re-frame, to become more than what you were before. Without memory the potential grows, but yes suffering is the price we pay. It keeps us together even when we forget the pieces that compose us.

>>40632433
It happens every generation, but the flow of understanding still hinges from science. Those same young people would trust proof over their convictions if they were shown to be wrong, would they not? Faith is dying still, on a path to rebirth.

>>40632406
The richest above and below ground faked scarcity to charge more and make more for resources while throwing out food in dumpsters that they have hired guards waiting at. They took resources that didn't belong to them and twisted them to cause health issues that they would charge extra to pretend to treat. They're evil creatures. Why wouldn't shit like them exist in the afterlife? There's a 99.9 percent chance they got tips on behaving this way from creatures in the afterlife or otherwise other dimensions. And the same way they play stupid or pretend to care about people here these creatures can pretend even better after death. But their methods for doing harm are likely worse too.

>>40632455
Except there's not really suffering happening for growth or to eventually become better. People are purposefully kept in suffering and prevented from moving on through lies, threats and force all for profit. They're also kept from working together through more manipulation. It's too excessive and shady to say we did it to ourselves or chose while knowing everything.

>>40632455
What's the problem with science? They're doing studies on stuff like psychic mediums and found results that some mediums actually can tell things above coincidence, statistically. Science can just tie into it.

>>40632398
So you have no theory of your own and you just say "that theory is dumb" despite the little evidence we have pointing that way?

>>40632511
>Except there's not really suffering happening for growth or to eventually become better.
Really? When did you die and find out? My experience told me the opposite.

>>40632515
>What's the problem with science?
Science is limited to proof, while spirituality deals with things that are beyond proof. Trying to blend them is a fool's errand, one that props up the god of the gaps while pushing unfounded ideology. Mysticism has foundations, but not if you try to put it in scientific terms. Do you see what I mean?

>>40632525
It's not even really a theory when it's just one example of many where suffering is caused for profit and memory can be removed without good intentions. If that happens here what's stopping it from happening in the afterlife? I don't see any reason to trust we did it to ourselves.

>>40632544
>Really? When did you die and find out? My experience told me the opposite
You don't need to die just pay attention to all the people who are tortured and made sicker until they die, usually for money. How don't you notice this?

>>40632544
I think science is a valid way to tap into the supernatural. It might be limited and not able to discover all of it, but some things certainly.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1550830720301518

"Our results are consistent with the hypothesis that some mediums are able to acquire information about deceased persons through some unknown or anomalous means."

>>40632558
They argue that there is no suffering in the afterlife so they create a world (shithole) of contrast to enrich themselves with the experience of duality.

>>40632558
I'd rather die then have my memory taken without my consent. That's all the answer I needed. I'm here, not dead, so it was my choice.

>>40632569
>the people who are tortured and made sicker until they die
I've seen them and the roots of their ailments. Like Cain they usually blame the external, and so in death their revelation is internal. For those truly held back by outside circumstances at each step, they see the consequences of the power they did not previously hold, and gain an internalized justice that will serve them well with more power.

>>40632576
>They argue that there is no suffering in the afterlife
Based on what though? Don't the nde they have available often involve experiencing places like hell? Maybe some places don't have any suffering but to say it's all of the afterlife makes no sense. People lie and do evil for profit here so it only makes sense that when they leave their body similar behavior will happen.

>>40632580
>I'd rather die then have my memory taken without my consent
That doesn't make you immune to it happening though. That's like people saying they would rather die than get raped. Things are forced all the time.

>>40632585
I think there's statistics about it and it said something like 20% are hell-ish or dark experiences? But most of them end up being good or they are saved in some way through either and entity/faith/their own power.

They do say that though. Even mediums that connect you with deceased loved ones, when the person was "evil" here, will almost always be kind, patient and ask for forgiveness because allegedly they see the whole picture.

I am not defending this btw, I find the idea disgusting that we might be used tools for immortal souls.

>>40632601
>That's like people saying they would rather die than get raped.
If they meant it they'd bit their tongue and not get raped. Not everything can be forced anon.

>>40632096
>I'm ready to face god and tell him he's a psychopath, idc
well if you were the only being in existence with consciousness you'd behave like one too

>>40632613
Everything doesn't need to be forced but things are often forced. If you found out you got mind wiped without consent it's not a sure thing you'd kill yourself just because you said it.

>>40632626
>If you found out you got mind wiped
If it happened before I could kill myself then I didn't have enough of a mind for it to matter.

>>40631703 (OP)
Big true or fake

>>40632227
>>Most belief systems preach and warn about eternal damnation
>Yeah, to control people into obedient slaves. But if you actually look into people who deal with death even beginning at hospice nurses 90% of experiences even for atheists have nothing to do with damnation and more like mystery, peace, light.
correct
hell doesn't exist. No one goes to hell

>>40631773
Don't blackholes eventually evaporate or some shit tho?
t. not a physicist

>>40637133
No they just run out of enegry like a battery or nuclesr rod. Nothing can run on empty for ever. But it wont be in aby vampires life tine or earths life time lel.

Not that i care because where on flat bozrah and its all a fucking lie.

>>40631703 (OP)
I firmly believe that this reality is something between a farm and a correction facility.

Reincarnation is the most probable thing that happens as it has much evidence supporting it. Supposedly you return here to learn and experience, but what lessons can be exactly extracted if you get memory-wiped every time? And you experience mostly pain, struggle and suffering while living on earth. It's pretty much like throwing someone with amnesia into prison. And who does that? The supposed beings of light who aleays gaslight you with shit like "you still have unfinished business down there" or "you weren't good enough of a person so you need to better in your next life"?

I hate the archons so much it's unreal. Remember they always want to make you feel powerless, not in control, small and miserable so they can recycle you over and over again and feed on your suffering. And this whole "akshually your soul choose to be a poor vietnamese rice farmer for the experience" is one of those bullshit narratives they practice.

You are a shaper of your own destiny. Even when born into shitty circumstances, you can rise above and make a good life for yourself. Nothing is pre-determined. Nothing is pre-planned. Destiny is a comforting lie to those who let go of the steering wheel of their life. You are responsible for your mistakes and for fixing them.

>>40631703 (OP)
Honestly I just hope all pf existence gets wiped out, even the metaphysical

I want a capeshit tier happening where every sapient form of existence gets erased, even our selfish souls

God needs to be punished for abusing his toys (us) by having them be tossed out

>>40637133
Yes. Other anon is clueless.
>https://phys.org/news/2023-06-black-hole-evaporation-theoretical-stephen.html

>>40637468
Non-existence is a funny thing, because all conciousness is a observer and therefore a creator. Can you imagine non-existence? No, because just an act of thought creates something out of nothing. Erasing everything would be both impossible and cruel thing to do.

The right thing to do is to destroy the archons and the reincarnation matrix. More and more people are aware of this thanks to the internet. The knowledge and information hidden from the masses for millenia is now under your fingertips on demand.

I know this will sound crazy, and I have no proof to back this claim, but I know this life, or should I say reincarnation cycle, isn't my first one, but it will be the last. I'm not talking about physical or digital immortality, I'm talking about bringing this whole circus down in flames. When I die, I will be fully prepared and commited to tear the veil to shreds. And if I don't perish in the process, I'll either go wander the stars or be reborn here with full memory and knowledge of everything that was so I can help humanity claim the stars, in harmony and beauty.

>>40631703 (OP)
>I find it extremely depressing and bizarre
It is. You are right to feel this way. You are right to feel the urge to fight this nonsense.

>>40631764
>yes, but its never sent back up
It is sent somewhere, for a purpose not related to you. Doesn't make it any better, hm?

>>40637643
your pic is how I feel

>>40637439
> Supposedly you return here to learn and experience, but what lessons can be exactly extracted if you get memory-wiped every time?
I think they pretend like your soul is a big over-soul thing and just absorbs all your life lessons so at the end its like an "genius soul" that analyzed and absorbed 1000000 different lives.... hate it.

>>40631703 (OP)
your mom is a preplanned character
....in BED

>>40631703 (OP)
And later on the spirit looks at the soul like a stranger, like an object they just shed and move on.

>>40631703 (OP)
Sort of, except we are all one soul learning all these things. Every bad thing you've ever done to another? Don't worry, you'll suffer the perfect punishment for it... you're also on the other end.

>>40631703 (OP)
This is one of the things I have trouble coming to terms with. The notion that the soul, higher self or whatever is supposed to be me, but is also that thing that decided everything (and keeps doing it) is infuriating. Not saying I don't believe in free will, but unless you're a master manifester or whatever nothing that will happen to you is actually decided by you, or at least a you you're conscious of.

>>40631703 (OP)
>the soul often looks at the body/human like a stranger, like an object they just shed and move on
That's a negative point of view. Even if you are just a character, that doesn't make the journey meaningless
You simply choose where to go, and what you wanna learn. You didn't plan it in detail, more as "I wanna be born poor to become more resilient"
I don't see my previous self like a stranger, it's what he was that makes who I'm today. The indifferent point of view is told more to help people who are too attached to the present and hate their lives, if you love your life you won't feel like this

>>40631703 (OP)
Do you have sources where I can read the accounts of mediums or NDEs talking about this?

I don’t understand why I would preplan demons raping me in dreams

>>40644169
To uh... learn how to deal with pain.. and how you react to it....

I like this concept of the of why we exist. I figured that the self that is us would die and would not return. Who ever you were is gone from this specific existence. Whatever energy we possess (if any) will return to the source. That’s it! Stories over! For the self anyway.

Whatever you were in this specific existence is gone. Maybe a memory of you exist somewhere that will always be recorded, but not likely ever relieved. At least not in the exact same way. Existences are similar, but not the same. Every experience is unique.

Anyway! This is all opinion and imagination; just like the poster belief. Go enjoy some cookies, bye.

I like this concept of the of why we exist. I figured that the self that is us would die and would not return. Who ever you were is gone from this specific existence. Whatever energy we possess (if any) will return to the source. That’s it! Stories over! For the self anyway.

Whatever you were in this specific existence is gone. Maybe a memory of you exist somewhere that will always be recorded, but not likely ever relieved. At least not in the exact same way. Existences are similar, but not the same. Every experience is unique.

Anyway! This is all opinion and imagination; just like the poster belief.

>>40631952
But why would I choose such a lame and gay reality in which to suffer?
Is this really the best I can come up with?

>>40645187
>afterlife is perfect
>all power, happy, healthy
>soul is like: omg i can't experience duality here i can't grow without contrast let me go down and suffer it will be SOOO funny hahhaa

That's what they say it's like.

>>40632096
If I understand you correctly, you're saying that psychopathy is a form of Buddhist detachment from our reality? When we want to stop playing the simulation?

>>40645187
Look up NDEs, they almost always say they talked with a light being or something angelical that tells the, to come back because their relatives are going to be sad or something, it's very often emotional guilt tripping, the theory some anons have is that those entities are actually the archons pretending to be angels, NDEs also talk about pre birth memories, memories of having planned events in their lives, and so on. These, in theory, would have also been influenced, or entirely fabricated, by the same archons, literally just gaslighting us into le suffering is good mentality. Since we don't keep memories from life to life, we are just simply wiped out the moment we figure it's a scam.

>>40644158
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xYLyuyFnz4

Watch this for example. Woman gets blown up in a bomb. Go to 10:00 she describes how her soul and the spirits had a lot of fun setting those injuries to her human body. There was another video I can't find where she gave an interview and she talked about it even more elaborately like how the spirits put shrapnel into different parts of her body and everyone was "dying" from laughter, because they found it all sooo entertaining and fun.

And from the spirits perspective the human life is so short and irrelevant that it wasn't a big deal.
Total psycho.

>>40645260
>>40644158
Actually I listened to it again, she DOES say it even in this interview how they (spirits/soul) put Shrapnel in her human body and fell down laughing because it was all sooo fucking funny to them.

>>40642424
This

>>40645205
>If I understand you correctly, you're saying that psychopathy is a form of Buddhist detachment from our reality? When we want to stop playing the simulation?
I used the word psychopathy loosely to disregard for human suffering in general, and, yes, I'm saying that Buddhist detachment is a beautification of the process of training yourself to not care for suffering.
>>40645260
>>40645268
That does sound really bad, but I want to offer another perspective to this whole mess. Victim culture, just like some people say, this matrix construct has a mirror effect, in a narrative logic, it is no coincidence that we are seeing a wave of victim culture in society. It is no coincidence that often the most militant people in these matters, are themselves self perceiving victims, even if they live a relatively carefree life. Where I'm going with this logic is that death is an illusion, because the soul never dies, similarly, pain is a temporary illusion, that we have been trained to enact so well, we perceive it as real, similarly, suffering is an illusion, and so forth. This concept of suffering for things that aren't real repeats itself and manifest into our matrix of perception as victim culture, as we find ridiculous the extreme to which some people victimize themselves over misperceived perjury and hyperbolic overreactions, similarly, souls on the other side look upon us making a huge deal over things like material death. Again, it sounds awful from our perspective, but if that's true, it's also just a symptom of us coming into a new perception where we finally perceive death and suffering as what they are, lies that we once though true.

>>40646551
But ... we are victims.

>>40647453
right, this is only theory on my part. What I'm saying is that the perception of you being a victim yourself is what creates a feedback loop. Many people perceiving themselves as victim of anything at all has led to this sociopolitical climate of victim culture, among other things, as a reflection that we can look at. However there is one thing you can always do, which is to choose not to perceive yourself as victim, in order to so, you can practice detachment, or you can go the self discovery route which, in the spiritual sense, slowly deconstructs your self perceived persona until you realize you are nothing but awareness. Again, this is only theory, but if, like I said, our perception affected the matrix to current point, a large mass of humans ceasing to perceive themselves as victims would cause a feedback loop on the opposite direction. Ironically, this means that the best you can possibly do to help others is not to care for their suffering, which brings me back to my previous point, enlightened beings or whatever is above us, do not care for our pain, apparently, that's just the way it works.

>>40631703 (OP)
One must ponder how spiritually masochistic and vain the greater soul must be, as well as the deep boredom and disappointment of heaven itself

>>40631703 (OP)
kingdom hearts got it closer to the real thing than i thought

>>40631952
Detachment wasn't so difficult because god just let me kind of go by detaching every memory and real life experience as just being fiction

>>40631974
You don't understand, you want to become a psychopath so you can live the normie life again

>>40648002
No, I do not want either of these things.

>>40645222
>we are just simply wiped out the moment we figure it's a scam.
That felt too much like my nightmares I had the last 2 days where I feel like I just died in a different reality

>>40645260
You don't know how spirits work, they have no particular place in our reality so the words they say are simple back and forth with no intrinsic yes/no. Human life is sacred to humans because we feel all the pain while they experience a fraction

>>40631764
or maybe its sent back up

>>40648136
Yeah sounds like they are psychopaths as long as THEY don't suffer it's fine.

>>40631703 (OP)
Does it even make sense to refer to my current and my true "soul-me" as the same being if the only thing that seems to be shared is a continuity of consciousness?
This me wouldn't choose this life if I had the option, so clearly my soul would have to be pretty different person.

>>40645195
Yeah because of free will we get bored eventually. Simple as. Also allows for seemingly eternal bliss til you get bored again.

Interesting thread

So if I'm an NPC/puppet, what does it imply stumbling upon this thread and information? Is the game breaking the 4th wall?

>>40650791
Perfection ("heaven") doesn't have room for boredom, if it does it's not perfect.

>>40651227
I guess just adding more drama to your character and realizing how helpless you (we) are.

>>40651455
Very impressive that the NPCs are self aware now

>>40651227
>So if I'm an NPC/puppet
the thing about being an npc in this matrix is that it's a spectrum, not a binary option. If you are aware of the present moment, you are a fractal of god, you are made of god, you are part of god, however want to phrase it. You are also an npc the nanosecond you react to a programmed behavior. We are all programmed in many ways, and what we call enlightenment is the deprogramming. You may perceive yourself an npc in many ways because you are sticking to self perceived programming that are useful to you in your current situation, that is okay, if you perceive this information, it may be because of luck, or, as I like to believe, the original god aspect of you has decided that it is time for you to ponder this information, as you are ready for another step, therefore, it's not really breaking the 4th wall, but could be, certainly some wall has come undone in your programming.

>>40651466
You're not really a NPC. But you're a character regardless.

>>40631703 (OP)
Im christian, strong believer in christ. ANd i believe the same for the most part, we are simply avatars. Butttt that also means we are eternal (jesus says this) we have spirit in side us (holy spirit).

God is real by the way.

>>40653601

what, you find another goldfish in your back rolls? what even is the point of your last statement

OP, it’s true. Essentially you have the “I” and the “self” - the “character” you’re describing is somewhat an amalgamation of both aspects, I’ll explain.
The “I” is your your ego, derived from your backstory, the scenario, the rigid structure determined by situations and events largely outside of your control. Over life you accumulate a series of “affects” that shape and modify who you are, but they are temporary and ephemeral. A simplistic way of putting it is imagine you are hungry and grouchy as a result. Are you innately grouchy by nature? Or are you situationally grouchy? Some things that happen to us in life affect us the same way, but the consequences last a lifetime.
The “self” is more akin to the persona of who or what is playing us. It is the true and essential self, those aspects which are dictated before you’re even born, which are an amalgamation of archetypical elements represented by the planets, stars, gods, what have you. These are aspects that will outlive you, and upon death will enter another vessel, perhaps in a different configuration. The reason why the soul discards the body is that most people have identities completely built on affect - they never really get to know their essential, archetypical self - as this realm is explicitly intended to distract from it. It’s part of the game.
A major purpose of this realm is for the player to “remember” themselves within the context of the game, and self individuate. A sort of immortality can be achieved this way, by aligning the “I” with the will of the self, you are able to fulfill a cosmic pattern and act in ways that can resonate beyond the veil. So to say, you break the fourth wall and enter a sort of metagame with more archonic/archetypical forces. This is the fate of many powerful people, and also why powerful people are so prone to archetype possession. It is not the endgame but a new level.
This is theater, a puzzle, a game, a trick, and a trap.

>>40653671
>This is theater, a puzzle, a game, a trick, and a trap.

Yeah and that's really fucked up. Oh you little human with your desires, dreams and plans? Doesn't matter. You are just a little illusion, just a character in a play and you will fade away and make room for the next game when you die. Enjoy! :-)

>>40653692
Not at all, some desires are pure and real, and of the self I’m describing. Sometimes these desires aren’t even moralistically good, but they’re archetypically valid and inseparable from a being on a spiritual level. Healthy externalization is a different story, however. The real point is truth. The vast majority of people actively choose to live a lie. A large part of what I’m describing is the process of determining which impulses are of the eternal self, and which are imposed and collected from the demiurgic “grid world” we live in. Your actions, dreams, and desires are most certainly not without consequence - in a lot of ways they’re the crux of the game and the first hint you’re even playing one. You literally have a mission overlay on your HUD and you’re whining about it.

>>40631703 (OP)
>we
Is that the royal we you are using?

>>40653747
I'm "whining" about the fact that our Higher Self is using us as it pleases, regardless if we want it or not. Your desires don't matter.

>>40653898
Do you know what your higher self desires? How would you know or not know whether or not what it desires is in line with your own goals in this realm? Why is your stance one of resentment by default?

Man, my friend got a biology degree lmao
Now the only thing he can do is be a teacher lol
Useless shitty degree lol

I am happy my field is awesome
Poor little biologists D:

>>40642462
Indeed. This is why you can get attached to fictional characters in stories. Just because they're not real, doesn't mean the emotions they stir inside you aren't real.

>>40653924
>Do you know what your higher self desires?
There are many things about my life (starting from my genetics and other factors that I can NOT influence) that aren't how I want them to be or that make me suffer. Who picked that? Who decided that this is good? According to a lot of NDEs the Higher Self did. The Higher Self for example might make you born a cripple because it finds the idea of hardship soooo interesting. Whatever YOU want doesn't matter, you will be born a cripple and live with things that even science can't change until you die.

>>40631703 (OP)
I believe that our vessel is pre-planned. I believe that our spirit, the light within, chooses to be here on this plane of existence to witness and experience things that could only happen in this mortal coil.
I believe that in order for us to experience as we do, we must have 'dampeners' (the mortal form) That limit our Perception and memory of all that was and is, that we might be focused enough to be able to experience as we live.
I believe that, through this, many of us either forget Who We are, or in some cases outright reject what we are. This results in us becoming trapped in the wash so to speak, as we lose knowledge of how to return from once we came.
Upon death, the light leaves our vessel, the crude matter that made our body is left here on this planet as matter must continue to exist. All things are energy and energy can be neither created or destroyed.
The one notable exception about this being Jesus the Christ, as his body disappeared in the cave, and he was risen again. I believe that his attunement with the consciousness that exists beyond our perception, being The only begotten Son of God thus the Son of Man, gave him specific authority that permitted him to keep the physical form, holes in the hands and all, to return to this mortal coil and show us who have been trapped here in our ignorance, that life exists beyond the physical.
With the dampeners that restrict us, this is a difficult concept to accept, even more so in the time that all this occurred. It is made all the easier for the apostles to see Christ with the damaged vessel after seeing his death, The doubting Thomas amongst and within us, To know that light eternal, God's kingdom, exists within us and through acceptance of the light in a vessel, Rather than the trappings of the physical, is truth.

Life is a video game, but it's so real that we forgot what is real, so he signed in to remind us how to log off.

>>40653938
Stories and mythology are literally how archetypical information is typically transmitted to us and I’d argue the most common way to awaken to a higher self. Some media is purer than others.

>>40653941
Anon, I actually don’t think that’s true. I think the “self” does choose some things at the outset, but I disagree that the story is pre-written. Otherwise non-awakening wouldn’t be an option. Can you imagine playing an MMO where your character doesn’t respond to you half the time? And then we wonder why so many people are depressed. What you’re describing is more akin to the “affect” thing I’m talking about. Unless you believe you’re archetypically crippled or something. Maybe that’s true I have no idea. But perhaps you genuinely are meant to figure out how to externalize those deeper desires in spite of your situation. What, do you wanna be a marathon runner but don’t have legs or something? There are other ways of filling that need.

>>40653983
Almost all near death experiences point towards the "fact" that people pick their bodies, their hardships, where they are born and what happens to them. You can still make some decisions just like in a video game where you decide where you go and what you do, but the plot follows mostly just illusion of choice and a lot of it is rigid.

>>40653996
I’ve had NDEs and while I can’t say what I saw was overly definitive, the impression I get is that it’s more akin to improv theater. Yes, you choose to incarnate with a loose scenario and character in mind, but you don’t necessarily fully know how the arc will play out, just that there are certain times and seasons for certain things, which may manifest in a wide variety of ways. I got the strong impression that you don’t even know if you’ll awaken to the fact that it’s a game within your lifetime, and that’s part of the metaphysical thrill in a weird way. You’re right in that the general arc is railroaded but I think it’s much, much less specific than most would assume, and much more symbolic/gestalt-based.

>>40654018
If you’ve ever played a tabletop RPG it’s actually pretty similar, I think. The DM still has major plot beats that you will inevitably reach and if they’re a good DM they’ll adapt when you totally fuck up a plot line they planned, the overall structure remains the same but the individual beat by beat happenings are much more of a back and forth.

>>40654018
>>40654036
People can't decide their race, what parents they are born to, what genetic diseases or deformities they get, most of their genetics (born a short indian man with a micropenis? deal with it) and they also can't decide not getting sexually abused as children. So many things that will FUNDAMENTALLY influence your life into every fiber are decided by others for you.

>>40654036
Tabletop RPG I can decide my name, my past, my race, my innate abilities, my looks. I have a lot more freedom than what you can do as a human.

>>40653983
I find mythology especially fascinating. How it keeps an ambiguity that bridges fiction and reality. Most myths are told in legends, so basically rumored stories that could be true or half true or with a single sliver of truth mixed into them. Yet, wither or not Zeus or Prometheus or Hercules are real or not, their exploits still ring true and move the imagination and teach valuable philosophical lessons.

>>40654061
>>40654071
I would argue having full control over how you respond to those things is a much greater form of freedom than choosing them at the outset. I don’t really have a definitive call over whether you choose those things are not desu, maybe you do maybe you don’t, but I actually don’t think they matter that much. Your deficiency built around them is probably actually what they did choose.

>>40654061
we can actually choose our attributes. deprived are just NPC flesh husks or difficulty maxxers. this is the only place where you can experience crimes but for player characters it's always safe baby crime and not the brutal stuff unless you specifically opted in before coming here

t. opened the dev console in a state of psychosis, toggled clairvoyance/fate lines on, and literally walked out of a police station, through an entire city of screaming homeless black people, and back to my car before driving home and going to sleep. literally magnetic underground lines spiraling towards my destination like the Skyrim spell but underground

>>40654092
Yes. Myth is the realm of the gods and a reflection of some of the upper realms. It is both truth and fiction, there isn’t much of a separation, it’s about what it stirs in us and calls forth. If you’ve ever watched a film or anime or something and felt it made you want to be more as a person or felt there is something within you beyond your meager self, that’s pure work.

>>40654111
One of the NDEs I’ve had was directly related to a crime, in that moment I realized very acutely it was more or less plot railroading and that it was happening specifically because I was ignoring my purpose. I didn’t necessarily realize it at the time in a metaphysical sense, but I could tell immediately and very intensely that it was happening for a reason, I was actively choosing to live my life incorrectly, and that if I didn’t change course, things like this would continue to happen until I ante up. I also believe quantum immortality may be a thing in very specific circumstances, it just depends. There are definitely failsafes to prevent you totally missing the plot but a lot of people chalk it up to the world being terrible and then continue to ignore the role they’ve been cast in, then wonder why their life is miserable.

>>40654118
That' just implies all our fiction either comes from a non-material source or every higher being is experiences more mortality then us. If life is just a bunch of pre-dertemined outcomes why are there infinite souls before infinite outcomes?

I would never do this to myself

>>40654416
Do you feel the same when you enjoy a video game where the main character suffers?

>>40654380
>that implies all our fiction comes from a non material source
Some does, some doesn’t. Art is definitely magick whether the creator knows it or not. Great, timeless art usually is legitimately divinely inspired, though. There’s a reason so many of the world’s most famous artists straight up have religious “delusions”, even if they hide them. They’re brushing up against something more, and when you channel it enough it can be destabilizing. Some is just babble, though. Sometimes it’s a little bit of both.
>why are there infinite souls before infinite outcomes?
why tell a story? why create? our world is the shadow on the wall of the cave, a reflection of the realms beyond ours. this is what I mean by the metagame I mentioned earlier. you learn to move differently. as for what the purpose of those realms is or the motives of what dwells there, it’s not just one thing. we’re pretty low on the totem pole and there’s a lot of trickery. but there is good, there is truth, and there is a source. There are also those aligned against it.

>>40654416
The character you are at the moment wouldn't, but the real you did.

>>40654435
Video game character doesn’t feel pain, retardo-kun

>>40650791
>bored
Thats just neurological reflex, the soul and body are not the same brainlet

>>40654739
How do you know? Lol.

>>40654854
>how do you know that 2+2 is 4?

>>40654974
That's a valid question. How do you? Because someone told you?

>>40631703 (OP)
i'm sorry but it sounds like you're trying to justify hopelessness and pain, i don't think you should fuel your ego by casting off your pain and struggles away, to make it seem like they were planned from the start, i think they're loose, a thing that can happen but not necessarily set in place, it's able to be molded like a fate or destiny (that is to say, not everything is in your hands), you shouldn't rely on your ego, the serpent in your brain that feeds on whatever it creates, to revel at the fact that you don't have to do anything important because your 'upperself' planned it, an excuse. i can see why the idea of reincarnation is frowned upon by some people, because it teaches you to not pay attention to your current enviornment and self, i can see why people hate the concepts of fate, because it cements their hopelessness. i can see why people believe in an upperself, because they want to be a part of something, to think of something bigger, to be bigger. i see why people believe in the idea of god (to have a creator that is close to home, to use their ego to bring themselves closer), and why others don't (to bathe themselves in ego and to break themselves away). it's important to acknowledge the thing that propels it all, the ego.

>>40655019
>”pretending” to be retarded
Its called logical thinking
You are not smart or funny as you believe

>>40632315
>Well, you got any better explanation as to why you are here and everyone is suffering? Please share your ideas.
Most parsimonious explanation? Entertainment for some more powerful beings. No doubt dressed up in some more sophisticated garbs like "teaching a philosophical lesson" to the tormented, but on a fundamental level a crackhead and a gambling addict are after the same thing.

I'm glad this thread was made, this is a good topic of discussion. Thank you OP

>>40632321
>nd are more or less consistent with some slight differences
You get reports of people going to both heaven and hell. And of the trillions of souls in hell , somehow Hitler is one they consistently get to meet.

>>40655190
You mean it's called "someone told you it's true so you just believe it like a sheep"? I asked you how do you PERSONALLY know it. You have no answer. You're a drooling faggot.

>>40655247
A small % of people ever goes to hell and they are most often saved from it somehow or realize it was a "metaphor" for self-hatred or how they felt.
> somehow Hitler is one they consistently get to meet.
Yeah checks out, society and expectations.

>>40631703 (OP)
i think the purpose of this 'world' is to discover and use that memory of yours to relive what once was/ what can be achieved, the concepts that appear, the themes that present themselves, the narratives that you see, to process it all and ask yourself "why". to observe something that is constant and changing. to take in all that to realize that connection

Higher selves must be big believers in humiliation and existential cuckery. We are all our own demiurge at the end of the day

>>40655421
humiliation ritual is part of the initiation process. iron is forged in the furnace and all that.

>>40655428
The only thing left is to see if rapture will disappoint, and if paradise is enoogh

>>40632212
A certain degree of ego boundary is necessary for one's own well-being. If you're not well, how can you ever hope to improve the world?

>>40655428
And even if this is case i have zero desire to be part of this shitshow

>>40642424
that's just an opinion or wishful thinking. If you want people to live better and not suffer under assholes you have to get up and do shit. All this toxic "hoho I hope he/she/it trips and dies in Minecraft next life" is some of most insane shit people come up with. It's not a magical system but simple memory. If you bring harm someone will eventually bring it to you. Learning is a deliberate process of achieving some level of aptitude. There are lots of alleyways to end up without learning anything. One could ostensibly come up with the idea that the lack of learning is in and by itself a punishment, but on earth it happens plenty that people with good natured spirits suffer for no clear reason. They dont have anything to learn or prove by what theyre going through. A just system of punishment is direct and clear.

The thought has merit when widely accepted, but people dont believe in it for a reason. One axiom of our existence might be that we bear personal responsibility for our choices and collective responsibility for our circumstances.

Punishment also is not formative and not always effective for the purposes of learning. If you desire a cat and mouse type of higher life where punishment comes after bad deeds then youll surely work your way there. But it doesn't fit my experience in the higher worlds. Some of the most transformative things on a sour spirit's were "good" lives.
You need to confront beings -before- they do bad deeds. You also need to cultivate an environment where they can mellow out and come to their senses. Punishment was usually only necessary when there is a large degree of arrogance or wanton exploitative behaviour. In an earthen perspective you also cannot form any form of judgement on events.

Were not all one being though, and if youve to places above and below you also wouldnt want to. There are nasty beings who do insist on it and they busy themselves breaching the shell of beings, which they invent many excuses for.

>>40654439
Art is self-reflection at the bottom of the totem pole, once you aligned yourself with it you take out whoever is above it until you stand on top of it. even after you suffer you are still climbing it