Thread 40639195

>God fulfills all of his desires instantly and does whatever he wants no matter if you like it or not
>it's glorious! it's divine!
>Human wants to fulfill his/her desires and wishes
>OMG ITS UR EGO SPEAKING STOP BEING SELFISH SOO UNENLIGHTENED

Naturally, 'God', 'Spirituality', 'Magick', ect. is all COPE.
As cope, the primary function is to devalue the thing that is being coped about.
So if a person is unable to achieve his 'wordly' desires, he might use some COPE to make those desires seem less important.
He may even invert reality and pretend that his inability to fulfill his desires is a mark of distinction and not one of failure.
The making sense of various doctrines and exploring their internal logic is a completely pointless endavour, as no one is CONVINCED into joining a COPE. Instead they adhere to the COPE because they have a psychological need to COPE.

>>40639220
Eternal cope...

>>40639220
Tomato tomato

>>40639195 (OP)
Really makes you think, right?

>>40639195 (OP)
Humans aren't God
What's so hard to understand?

>>40639914
Why should humans not aim to be like God, especially if God has given them a soul that desires to do that? Seems like God wants you to want it.

>>40639925
You should desire to be like God which is why your desires should reflect his

>>40639943
>God does whatever he wants, whenever he wants it, regardless if anyone likes it or not.
So... like this?

>>40639954
He still has a moral compass
Whatever he wants doesn't mean chaos or randomness

>>40639968
His moral compass is doing whatever he wants regardless if the victim likes it or not. Child doesn't want to get raped? God doesn't care, it will happen if it suits God's plan and desires.

>>40640094
Many people who suffer can vouch that God has cared for them. I think you just want an excuse to do what you want and larp as God

>>40639195 (OP)
>>40639220
>>40640094
I think God is actually built around the image of Man, as much as Man is built around the image ot God.

I think God is incomplete, just like us humans are, and I believe God uses us and our consciousness to help shape and build their very own identity as well, just like we are. As Donald Hoffman puts it, God is trying to learn about who they are, by learning who they are not, and they use us humans as references and pointers in order to accomplish that very goal.

I think you're right when you say God tries to fulfill their own desires, but by that extension, humans are also trying to fulfill their own desires too. The important distinction here, is that we our fulfilling our own desires in reflection of God, as much as God is fulfilling their own desires in reflection of Man.

And so with that being said, I don't believe humans can simply do what they want with their own desires if it is evil and wrong just because you claim God doesn't care, because the majority of humanity desires peace and goodness in the world, and whatever humans ultimately desires is what God also ultimately desires. So if you as an individual tries to do evil and wrong in this world against innocent people, the rest of the world will find you and punish you for your crimes, and by that extension, God will punish you as well. It's as simple as that.

Do no evil, anon, fulfill your desires as long as you do no evil. Or you will one day surely regret it. God and Humanity will make sure of that.

>>40640193
>God makes you without your consent
>God then gives you the bare minimum
>meanwhile Billions suffer
>this somehow means God isn't selfish or an asshole

Ok.

>>40640255
Omnipotent values > finite values
If you're referencing your own suffering then I suggest you try finding the purpose of it. If you're referencing other people's suffering then you should comfort them. With these methods, you'll find God

>>40639195 (OP)
>genshin impact picrel
>"so here's why God is bad actually"
The desires and wishes you want to fulfil aren't some Hellenic tradlarp restoration of Europe to former glory and power or whatever, they're cooming to mid as fuck anime girls in a game so boring most of its playerbase doesn't even like playing it but does anyway to either coom or cope that their lesbian headcanons are real (lesbian in the sense of a troon pretending to be a woman who likes women in the hopes of finding women, or children, retarded enough to think that counts as lesbian and fuck a literal man over it)

>>40640315
You fuckin ripped that guy

>>40639220
And your cope is an attempt to devalue God, see how far that gets you.
>the ONLY reason anyone could want anything from life other than material pleasure is that they're coping
>the ONLY people who follow the path I'm describing are Redditoid coomers and larping pseudointellectuals but it's actually based

>>40640265
His value is his selfish desires, yes. Whatever he desires will come true regardless if it makes anyone else suffer.

>>40640315
>"so here's why God is bad actually"
I didn't say that. You should try and learn basic reading comprehension. I'm having a problem that traits are glorified in God but seen as selfish, obsessed or unenlightened in his creations.

>>40640326
Sorry I can't hear you over the sound of God's cock in your throat, can you say that again please?

I am

>>40640373
So mad

>>40640382
If anyone critics your submissive relationship with "Daddy" they're mad. But interesting how you're not that mad about any of the horrible things that your Daddy has coded into reality.

>>40639220
The dog barks at another dog through a fence. When the fence is removed, the dog retreats, both of them. Neither of them wanted what they thought they wanted.

The fence is for your benefit. It is the barking that is the COPE.

>>40640483
If it was a wolf and not a dog on the other side of the fence, I imagine it wouldn't have gone as you describe.

>>40640483
I'm being abused, harasses, terrorized, threatened etc literally constantly all day every day my mind is getting raped by retarded disgusting trannies who terrorizes, harass, abuse, threaten etc me for literally anything I think or do.

This obviously isn't the life that I want retard, I don't want to be abused, harassed, terrorized, threatened, violated, gangstalked, mind raped, sexually abused, none of this is "for my benefit", I would absolutely kill God if I could and if it would improve my circumstances even a little bit.

>>40640330
I do not have to devalue God. God has already been devalued throughout history, to the point that today the word God is totally meaningless.

>>40640533
> none of this is "for my benefit", I would absolutely kill God if I could

And you would be justified. Only mindless slaves kneel down to God considering all the shit he's inflicting on everyone.
God is the most selfish being in the whole universe. He does NOT give a fuck if you are hurting if it suits his plan and ideas.

>>40640517
If trees were made out of bees, the world would indeed be very different.

>>40640533
You have been advised, numerous times, to seek genuine professional help because you suffer from a legitimate psychiatric disease. You refuse to. At this point, yes, I think this is exactly what you want, because you do not take even a single step to improve your situation. You will not do anything different. Later today, you will write this exact same post, near verbatim, in another thread. You will do the same tomorrow, and then the day after that, and the day after that, and at no point will you make the slightest effort towards obtaining actual psychiatric help. At some point, yes, this is on you.

>>40640597
NTA but you understand that unmedicated schizophrenics are 99,9% PHYSICALLY unable to consider themselves insane and seek help? Their brain is generating them a reality where they are absolutely sane and psychiatric people want to fuck them up.

You talking to him won't do shit.
God however could immediately heal him yet he doesn't. God prefers if anon is suffering and psychotic.

>>40640597
Yes, but a wolf is not so different from a dog as a tree is from a bee.

>>40640608
That might be his diagnosis. We don't know, because he refuses to do anything other than post that exact same rant, constantly, no matter what anyone says to him.

As to what God does or does not "prefer," I tend to think the "emotion" is closer to indifference. The barriers to desire are not placed there as by God to gently shepherd souls to some ideal state, they are there because desires lead in a very concrete way to death, in much the same way alcohol works.

>>40640626
Yes, we all know that eating, sleeping, having sex, all leads to death and certainly not to the proliferation of your species.

>>40640626
You can't reason with people deep in schizophrenia or psychosis. They are unable to see "truth" or sanity unless forced to make medication. I know it's extremely frustrating to deal with when you explain someone they aren't being gang stalked by grocery store employees but they aren't at fault. Their brain chemicals literally do not allow them to accept reason.

>I tend to think the "emotion" is closer to indifference
Some people are saved in miracle ways though, whoever is in control has favorites.

>>40640637
And you can't never save never. There's always a way, so long as you continue to seek it, and if you can't find one, then make one. Nothing in life is ever guaranteed, for better or for worse. Let's use that premise to our advantage. for the better, and not for the worse.

>>40640533
Hello, Anon, I hope you seek help and find a way to overcome this difficult trial and tribulation you're currently facing no matter how impossible it may seem. Make sure to get sunlight, it's good for you body, mind, and soul. Please take care, good luck, and thank you.

>>40641140
This is like telling a guy who lost his leg in a meat grinder to just regrow his leg. Never say never! Just regrow a new leg. What do you mean no one has ever done it? Doesn't matter, he-he!

>>40640533
And one more thing, remember that the mental turmoil you're going through doesn't ultimately define who you are, so try your best to not let it have control over you as best as you can. I've gone through something similar to you, so I can sympathize with your situation. Just know this isn't who you really are deep down inside, and this won't last forever either. You will overcome this, that's a promise I can make for sure, so long as you never give up hope in yourself and in victory. Thank you.

>>40641155
Troll harder, my friend, troll harder

>>40641175
You're the one trolling.

>>40639195 (OP)
Lumine is a cutie.

>>40641209
Goddammit, you pulled the no u one me. I've lost. The battle is yours for this time, but the war will be mine. For might makes right, and what is right makes might.

>>40639195 (OP)
God doesn't exist. Or if it does its nothing like the one from the bible or any other abrahamic cult. An actual god would be more like some kind of a mindless mathematic algorithm that just shits out reality without even knowing we exist. This falls in line with how random and meaningless this world is.

>>40641262
Goddammit, you pulled the ur a troll one me. I've lost. The battle is yours for this time, but the war will be mine. For might makes right, and what is right makes might.

>>40641238
A little cutie patootie

>>40641367
Hell yeah, I agree with you. I'm glad we got something in common, my friend

>>40641386
>he realizes the hypocrisy

>>40641396
>he doesn't realize that the true God are the friends we made along the way

>>40639195 (OP)
God never impeded you from fulfilling your desires and wishes, only jealous people trying to pretend they have divine authority
You're probably annoyed by ascetic religions like Christianity, these were made for the poor to feel better but they use it all wrong

>>40642716
>God never impeded you from fulfilling your desires and wishes
In what ways does God allow me or anyone to fly, regrow limbs, stop the meat industry, shapeshift, be 100% healthy and non-human in this world exactly?

>>40639195 (OP)
nice spooks nerd

>>40639220
>cope

My friend, you are the cope. Look at picrel. Do you think a thing that works as precisely as this merely "exists" Like a tree or rock floating in space??? You have to be delusional. This thing is a precision machine the likes of no future tech can even come near. This is sign of intelligent design. Whether that design is God or not or whether it's Benevolent or Malevolent are wishful thinking for another day.

But it exists. Whatever it is only leaves "fragments" Of itself.

>>40644898
Bruh there are so many disorders and issues related to the stomach roflmao

>>40644844
Learn the difference between you MAY and you CAN
You are not FORBIDDEN from pursuing these things, but you are not good enough to do them
Don't blame the universe on your weakness, without the material plane it would be even worse: you would have to rely on your memory to regrow limbs, and they could become wojaks if you lost your concentration

>>40646038
Why wouldn't I blame the universe for that if it's literally the SOURCE and CAUSE of it happening and makes it impossible to be any other way unless God feels like it?

You could literally replace the "impossible" desires with possible, evil shit. Some guy desires to hurt a child. He acts on his desire. This is seen as evil. But God killing or hurting countless children is just uhhh... JUST? GOOD? AS INTENDED.

Fuck off.

>>40646047
Nothing impedes you from doing evil, you are confusing God with society, and also God with the biblical character

>>40640483
your entire example is based off the predication that a man is on equal terms with god? You are retardedly arrogant.

>>40646068
Read OP again. The point is that these traits (complete selfishness regardless if it hurts anyone else) is seen as divine in God but in humans it's called selfish, ego-maniac, mislead.

>>40646194
And what is the problem with arrogance? Who made man arrogant? God.

Arrogance comes from within and all that is within is put there by GOD. So God literally wanted some people to be extremely arrogant, he coded this into reality.

>>40646264
And that's not God, but society
More precisely Christianity, that is a royal (solar) cult for the poor, like I mentioned before

>>40639220
'God'
>My life sucks, I'll cope with sky daddy!
'Spirituality'
>My life sucks, I'll cope with hallucinations!
'Magick'
>My life sucks, I'll cope with coping!

When will /x/ learn that hallucinations and lies aren't paranormal?

>Vërification not required.

>>40646290
Most near death experiences confirm that. God isn't congratulating you on being a child abuser.

>>40646470
First, he's not congratulating you, but didn't impede you either, which is my point: you can pursue your desires, the mistakes and exaggerations along the way are your own consequences only
Second, what makes you think that you spoke to the one true god, just because you had a NDE?

And at last: stop being a fucking coward and hiding behind an hyperbole
Now you can't pursue your dreams because being a child abuser is bad? Do you wanna be a child abuser goddamit?
That's like when you tell someone to exercise and they say "ahhh but what about those who don't have legs"
YOU HAVE LEGS

>>40646544
99% of religions or spiritual beliefs don't encourage extremely selfish behavior.

>And at last: stop being a fucking coward and hiding behind an hyperbole
What hyperbole? The things I desire are not POSSIBLE for humans.

>>40639195 (OP)
>>God fulfills all of his desires instantly and does whatever he wants no matter if you like it or not
Says who, you dumb loli poster

>>40647002
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/god

>>40646972
>the things I desire are not POSSIBLE for humans
The things you desire can be achieved, you can pretty much feel like flying with a hang glider but never tried to know if it will satiate your desire
Don't ask for an entire reservoir of water just because you are thirsty, you are just lazy to go fill a bottle and inventing excuses

Even if you are a weirdo with strange desires, you can find a legal 18 year old woman of low stature
Even if you wanna hurt someone you can join some martial arts and have fun fighting
Even if you wanna rape someone you can engage in consensual BDSM roleplay goddamit
You just want to blame someone else for your laziness

>>40647208
>The things you desire can be achieved
Nope. My desire is complete freedom and erasure of pain and the past for all living beings as long as they don't violate the will of another. Suffering is hardcoded into reality, into the fabric of nature.

All the things you mention are cope, they are NOT the same as the desire itself. Just a shitty second tier version.

>>40647233
You want things that you don't even tried, you have ZERO clue about how complete freedom and erasure of pain feels
And you certainly won't be able to do anything if you see life through internet slang like "cope"
If you tried the "second tier" version you would be prepared for the first tier and knowing if you TRULY want it, but you are just arrogant
How you are gonna fly on your own if you don't even know if you can handle a hang glider flight?

>>40647251
>You want things that you don't even tried, you have ZERO clue about how complete freedom and erasure of pain feels

Says who? Most near death experiences point towards exactly that and even drugs can come close to a hint of the feeling. You don't NEED to know something right now to desire it. If a child grows up only being raped and beaten, never cherished or protected, it can't desire a good home because it never got a taste of it first hand?

I don't want to fly with a fucking glider. You're still at the mercy of a construction. It will never be the same as growing wings yourself, naturally, commanding the flight yourself.

>>40647268
You don't know if you have the courage and responsibility to endure a glider flight, and you think you can handle flying with wings just because you hallucinated it?
>You're still at the mercy of a construction
IF YOU CAN'T DO IT *WITH* A CONSTRUCTION, HOW ARE YOU GONNA DO IT ON YOUR OWN?

You wanna run a marathon before learning to walk, to swim across the ocean without even learned to float
You're LAZY to climb the ladder and are inventing excuses about the ladder not even existing

>>40647293
Then you could just desire to have the courage? If manifesting and creating like God was natural to us then unless there was some strange error or mistake we wouldn't be terrified or turned off by our own creations.

>>40647314
If you desire to have courage, you do things that give you courage. Because doing it out of nowhere it's not courage, it's imprudence
You don't know things well enough to manifest them, how are you gonna imagine yourself flying if you only have an imagination based on movies or tv? It will manifest you watching the media

>>40639195 (OP)
>god is a giant psychology
very impressive 1st grader theology

>>40647333
>If you desire to have courage, you do things that give you courage.
Not if you're God. That's just for pleb humans.

>>40647373
very impressive 1st grader reply

>>40639195 (OP)
Realistically in the event of an all powerful creator god, mortal will is basically a joke. Either God is benevolent and it really is best to defer to his will, or he isn't and in that case complaining is about as valuable as an ant complaining humans don't pay mind to them

>>40647400
And you are a "pleb" human who wants to skip all the steps to achieve something, out of pure arrogance

>>40647421
>if God can skip all steps its divine
>if a human wants it without having to work away and then get a "second or third tier" of their actual desire it's arrogance

yeah yeah

>>40639195 (OP)
What?

>>40647433
It's about a double standard people often hold about desire and will. When it comes to God, fulfilling every desire instantly and bending reality to his will is praised as glorious and divine. Even if (and this is the case a LOT) God's desires cause you pain it will still happen cause God's desires will simply overwrite yours.

But when a human wants to fulfill their all of their desires and focuses on the "I AM, I WANT" (and it's not for the greater good but for their own pleasure) it’s often condemned as ego-driven, selfish and unenlightened. The idea is that divine will is seen as pure and unquestionable, while human will is treated as something to suppress or shame even though both are simply expressions of wanting something and making it happen.

>>40647430
>if Mozart wanted to play this it would be divine, but me on my first piano lesson is arrogance?
The difference is that God already did all the steps
Look for the Jade Emperor for example, who became God after thousands and thousands of incarnations

>>40647450
Well, I don't agree with the premise but I'm sure there are some who subscribe to t hat reality. There are plenty of humans that realise their desires and wants are typically interpreted through the flesh, which is again often understood as foolishness and/or short-sighted so these people wouldn't be crying like a child about double-standards. God can want whatever he want, he's perfect or the total manifestation of everything, human included

>>40647463
>The difference is that God already did all the steps
Nah, God doesn't need to settle for some shit tier, God gets whatever he wants in whatever way he wants. YOU (and I) have to play by his rule like little faggots.

>>40647469
I wonder why do something that exists since time immemorial can fly on will while anon that was born some years ago has to learn

>>40644924
That's our fault. We don't know how to operate it.

>>40647450
There is a definition, categorical difference between the Infinite, Unlimited Whole and the Infinitesimal, Limited Part.
The ENTIRE reason you are in samsara is because you went
>I want to try and be the center of existence. I want to be God.
That is what we are all down here trying.
The difference that causes "double standard" is that you are NOT unlimited and infinite.
>bending reality to his will
See this is a symptom of your incorrect thinking.
Reality cant "bend" to God's will, it IS God's will.
>The idea is that divine will is seen as pure and unquestionable, while human will is treated as something to suppress or shame
This sounds a lot like how people get messed up on Christianity and all the backwardness of Abrahamaism in general.
This entire material existence is here as an allowance by God for the limited living entities to try their hand at the being the center of existence.

>>40648079
The "me" who decided and the "me" who are down here are not the same being. We have fundamentally different morals, views and opinions.

>>40647013
That absolutely does not indicate that whatever god is actually does anything that you fantasize about doing with no boundary or restriction whatsoever.
Perhaps its that very mentality that drives lesser entities and deities to want to usurp that power - to dire consequences.

>>40648233
It indicates that God can do whatever he wants whenever he wants. Hope this helps.

>>40648216
>The "me" who decided and the "me" who are down here are not the same being.
Correct. In that there is no "you" down here. there is a delusion that has you identify with the material elements you observe.

>>40644881
based Mike Stirner poster

>>40648244
The true delusion is in believing that you, here, are an illusion of yourself. And even if it's true about what you say, it shouldn't matter, because we should continue to walk forward as if it isn't so.

It does nobody any good to hold such a belief in the end. The only thing that truly ever fundamentally matters, is consciousness itself.

>>40648237
It absolutely does not. Hope that helps you, too.

>>40648272
>click dictionary link
>God : the supreme or ultimate reality
> the being perfect in power

Yes it does. Hope this helps!

>>40648265
>an illusion of yourself
You arent an illusion of yourself. Read what I said again.
>it shouldn't matter
It is the first, last, and prime understanding.
You are not this body. You are not this mind.
That is what keeps you here, and you choose to identify with it in every moment.
>The only thing that truly ever fundamentally matters, is consciousness itself.
Sure, which means the delusion of identification should be of prime importance to you.
You are intentionally choosing an incorrect consciousness.
It is what causes suffering.

>>40648237
At the end of the day, anon, you can't speak for God, you can only speak for yourself, for better or for worse, but let's hope for the better, and not for the worse. It does nobody any good to continue our cycle of suffering through flimsy excuses or justifications, we can decide to end it, one step at a time, so long as we can continue to have faith in others, and have faith in ourselves.

>>40648333
NTA but you talk about something you haven't understood yourself because you are here too

>>40648340
1 - You confuse jnana with vijnana, knowledge with realization. I can only transfer knowledge. The realization comes from experience.
2 - you have confused awareness with physical location. I do not currently claim to be choosing truth, but there is nothing stopping one from "being here" and being fully realized.

>>40648333
I will continue to do the best that I can with the tools that I've got. Walk your own path and please prove me wrong if you are absolutely right, but I'll continue to walk my own path and hope for the best, and should there be truth and proof in what I'm saying, I'll be sure to let you know.

>>40648354
>I will continue to do the best that I can with the tools that I've got.
You are being handed a tool and rejecting it.
But that is your choice.

>>40648362
Absolutely, and it will be my regret as well.

>>40648369
There's no regret, only delay.
We are allowed to be here, it's why it exists.
It just includes suffering.

>>40648347
Why would anyone believe that you with your limited human brain actually understand reality? Especially if all you do is be trapped down here just like everyone else.

>>40648381
>only delay
Well, better late than never. Until then, I have to see for myself to be sure.

>>40648244
>In that there is no "you" down here.

There is a "me" down here. Just because I am different than other parts of me or you or the whole doesn't mean the human me doesn't exist as an individual part and their consent should be respected.

>>40648398
>Why would anyone believe that you with your limited human brain actually understand reality?
I transfer the knowledge of those who are fully realized, and you can realize the same things by following the same methods.
Ultimately, there is no reason to accept anything on here as you have no clue who is writing. the proof would be to see a person's life.
So if this is your doubt, then you may walk away satisfied there is no quelling it on /x/.
>>40648404
>other parts of me
No. You have no direct connection to any material energy. At all.
>their consent
The material energies have no personhood.

>>40648419
>I transfer the knowledge of those who are fully realized, and you can realize the same things by following the same methods.

Ah so you're just like any of the "My religion/faith is the truth but I can't prove it" guys on this planet. One out of millions. No difference.

>>40648419
>The material energies have no personhood.

That's your opinion. You can't disprove what I say, I can't disprove what you say. My definition of "person" is that I am conscious and I have feelings, memories, desires, dreams and opinions. You can agree or disagree but ultimately you can't prove me wrong.

>>40648439
>but I can't prove it
>you can realize the same things by following the same methods
Sorry, I can lecture for hours but the only way to know what honey tastes like is to taste it.
This the actual meaning of the term "esoteric". It's sad the vast vast majority of /x/ uses that word to mean "hidden metaphor" asnd not "the understanding that only comes from immersive experience".
But sure - there are many many valid paths back to the Supreme.
Are you one to see that because there are so many valid paths, you reject them all?

being the creator doesnt mean he can do anything. You create a whole universe in the dream world but you dont have full control all the time

>>40648454
>That's your opinion.
It isnt.
>My definition of "person" is that I am conscious
so you agree with me. the material energies are not conscious, and so have no personhood. It is YOUR consciousness that gives them the illusion of such.

>>40648457
> I can lecture for hours but the only way to know what honey tastes like is to taste it.
ALL religions or faiths claim the same thing, buddy. You are not special, you are not different. A muslim will tell you that you will know the truth if you read the book and connect with Allah. A greek pagan will tell you that once you do the right ritual and dance around the bonfire you will sense Zeus with your third eye and be enlightened.

You are just as generic and arrogant as they all are. Big claims, "I have the truth" but ZERO proof aside from subjective feelings.

>>40648469
>It isnt.
It is though. You don't have proof.
"Experience it for yourself" isn't proof because all religions and beliefs claim it and they all individually experience different truths.

>It is YOUR consciousness that gives them the illusion of such.
I didn't just say my consciousness. I said the whole package makes me a person. Being conscious, but also my memories, morals, opinions, who I love, what I've done. If you strip all that away and just leave me conscious then that isn't the ME I am right now anymore, it is someone or something else.

>>40648477
>ALL religions or faiths claim the same thing
And? Which ones have you gone through to determine if they work?
You want religioon to be a single correct answer. That is a bad conception.
Religion should be seen like diet and exercise.

>>40648500
I haven't connected with any of the religions personally but they all say the same as you do. They have the truth, they are right and if you want to understand just join their group and connect with it and experience it yourself.

But just like you they also have no objective proof, only opinions.
Can you name ONE thing that sets you apart as being more "true" than any other religion?

>>40648494
>You don't have proof.
Opposite. There is zero evidence anywhere for personhood in material energies.
>I didn't just say my consciousness. I said the whole package makes me a person.
Consciousness is what identifies "the whole package" as anything. Dead bodies are not persons.
>my memories, morals, opinions, who I love, what I've done
These are all things you identify with, not persons.
>If you strip all that away and just leave me conscious then that isn't the ME I am right now anymore
It is still the "me", just what that "me" identifies with has changed.

>>40648516
>but they all say the same as you do. They have the truth, they are right and if you want to understand just join their group and connect with it and experience it yourself.
Yes.
As I said, it is like diet and exercise.
I am going to work now. You may complain and give your excuses for why you want to accept but cant.

>>40648516
>Can you name ONE thing that sets you apart as being more "true" than any other religion?
Why would I? Where I have said any one religion is true over others?
You want religioon to be a single correct answer. That is a bad conception.
Religion should be seen like diet and exercise.

>>40648517
>Opposite. There is zero evidence anywhere for personhood in material energies.
Yes, because it's an OPINION. My definition of personhood is not the same as yours.
Unless you can have God appear in our rooms right now and define personhood in the "ultimate truth way" then you still just have an opinion as to what defines being a person.

>Dead bodies are not persons.
I didn't say that a soul that leaves the body isn't a person. I am saying if that souls lacks everything what makes me the person I am down here (who I love, my morals, my opinions, my experiences) then that person isn't ME but something else. Then "me" down here is dead or gone. And I disagree with that being a good option.

>These are all things you identify with, not persons.
And I think what I identify with makes me partly who I am.

>It is still the "me", just what that "me" identifies with has changed.
That's your opinion. I define it differently. It's a "me" maybe or a soul, but it's not the me I am here right now and that I want to remain as such, just in a better place.

>>40648533
>You want religioon to be a single correct answer. That is a bad conception.
I did not say that either. I just said that what you offer isn't special because it follows the same pattern that all religions/faiths follow.

I am right. I know the truth. No, I can't prove it, you just have to subjectively prove it yourself.

>>40640094
That’s where you’re wrong
Revealing a lot about you and what you desire to get legalized
Disgusting
Die now

>>40648464
Sort of but not exactly
What if every action thought and feeling splintered off into unrelated consequences?
Tread carefully
The situation’s fail safe antidote is highly complex and not one easily understood by others (if not overly-simplified) despite multiple efforts to share the solution toward the upliftment of others
https://youtu.be/8fwf-mZBPWg?si

>>40648667
Actually, I don't think that's what they're trying to do. I think they're just trying to make a point through argumentation through ragebaiting, or they're just trolling for the sake of trolling, because there's a lot of religious folks on this board after all.

>>40648237
Also, sorry if I'm being presumptuous about what you personally believe in and value through your somewhat controversial posts. I don't know why I'm apologizing, but that's what I feel like

>>40648667
Please explain to me how I'm wrong.

>>40648667
Don't feed them! >>40648742
Don't do it! I beg of thee, let this one go and let this thread be no mo'!!!!!1

>>40648753
What he said is objectively wrong. People suffer all the time even if they want it to stop. So it's bullshit.

>>40640193
Can the raped child vouch for God?

>>40648667
I dont think anon is the one who wants it legalized. There are many things that God made illegal in this universe, going faster than light is illegal, destroying energy is illegal and going back in time is illegal. You cant do any of that shit

Whatever vile shit you see in this reality is there because God gave it the green light. He could have easily made it illegal like the above but he wants it there

>>40648854
>Whatever vile shit you see in this reality is there because God gave it the green light. He could have easily made it illegal like the above but he wants it there

100% true.

People always yap about "muh free will" but just ignore that there are a BILLION things we can't do or even imagine. Does that violate our free will? Apparently not. Yet when it comes to weird shit like "animal and child torture" God insisted to put that into the Earth simulator, so he wants it here.

>>40648789
>>40648811
>>40648854
You got problems bro

DONT FEED EM GUYS. PLEASE DONT FEED THEM.

I KNOW IM TECHNICALLY FEEDING THEM MYSELF BUT THATS OK BECAUSE I LIKE EXPRESSING MYSELF SOMETIMES

ok I eepy now i think goodnight anon

>>40648891
please stop anon please stop guhhhh

>>40648911
>>40648904
Stop defending evil.

>>40648918
I will defend evil. I will also defend good, because that makes me even more evil. Hehehehehehehehehe

>>40648546
>Yes, because it's an OPINION
No, because personhood is not in material energies.
>My definition.
I am not here to play semantics.
>Unless you can have God appear in our rooms right now
He could, you choose not to see Him.
That is the point of material existence, that is what God gives to you.
>if that souls lacks everything what makes me the person I am down here
It doesn't. What makes you "you" is that awareness, consciousness, sense of self. All the rest is temporary detail that has changed before and will change again.
> I think what I identify with makes me partly who I am.
That is the delusion, yes.
>That's your opinion. I define it differently
The fact that you can communicate proves this to not be true.
>>40648558
>that what you offer isn't special
Quote anywhere I implied such.
I explicitly denied that it is exclusive, and said you are wrong for considering it having to be special.

>>40648891
No, but people vastly overestimate free will.
You have exactly one choice.
You can choose to accept reality, or choose to live in delusion.
This is the only thing you have agency over.
It affects nothing.
That is why it is free.

>>40648935
You're back from work, bro? That was fast. Paranormally fast some would say. You must work in fast food. Because that was fast as fuck, and now I am hungry.

>>40648924
How clean is your bum? I think it's time to wash it out with soap. Even a troublemaker should only do so with a clean bum.

>>40648958
Got to work early. Now at lunch. Was hoping for there to be a post to think on. Ahh well.

>>40648935
>No, because personhood is not in material energies.
You are not the ultimate authority of the word personhood. It's your opinion, nothing else.
>He could, you choose not to see Him.
But he didn't.
>What makes you "you" is that awareness, consciousness, sense of self.
This is your definition, I have a different one.
>That is the delusion, yes.
Again, opinion without proof.
>The fact that you can communicate proves this to not be true.
The fact that I can communicate it proves it to be true.
>Quote anywhere I implied such.
You keep talking as if you know the truth. You don't present it as "maybe" or "I think and it's my opinion" you treat it as the truth and fact.

>>40651463
>You are not the ultimate authority of the word personhood. It's your opinion, nothing else.
Okay. Well whatever word you use to mean what I have defined, that is what we are talking about.
>But he didn't.
Didnt He? You choose not to see Him.
>This is your definition, I have a different one.
Okay. Well whatever word you use to mean what I have defined, that is what we are talking about.
>Again, opinion without proof.
Yes. "Honey tastes sweet" can never be proven to you until you taste it.
>The fact that I can communicate it proves it to be true.
But you cant. You havent.
>You keep talking as if you know the truth.
This does not in any way make me special.
I asked you to qu9ote anyhting, anywhere that suggest I think I am special, or that this process is special and exclusive.
You cant.
This is not special. There are many many many many many many ways to succeed.
But I cant prove you will succeed. I guess you want to remain on the level of opinion.

>>40651645
>Okay. Well whatever word you use to mean what I have defined, that is what we are talking about.

I go by what the dictionary broadly says. Someone regarded as individual. To me all the things added to the consciousness make up a new or different person. I am not just a consciousness, I am my consciousness + my memories, desires, dreams and past/future actions. That is MY PERSONAL definition of what makes me a person.

>Didnt He? You choose not to see Him.

God can be seen without me choosing to see him. God does things to people all the time without us consenting. But even in this case, I fully CONSENT for God to show up in my room now clear as day.

> "Honey tastes sweet" can never be proven to you until you taste it.

Says every religion or cult ever. You need to offer more than that to stand out at the truth.

>This does not in any way make me special.

How does it not make you special that you're part of the 1% (or whatever the size is) of life who know the ultimate truth and almost everyone else is deluded and misguided and coping?

>>40651701
>I go by what the dictionary broadly says.
>To me
you contradict yourself in two senteces.
I am not here for a semantic debate. I will continue to simply reply.
Okay. Well whatever word you use to mean what I have defined, that is what we are talking about.
>God can be seen without me choosing to see him.
He could. He didnt. This place is meant for you to experience absence of God. He isnt breaking that while you still choose the absence.
Unless He wants to.
>I fully CONSENT for God to show up in my room now clear as day.
You can make any word you want, but you still choose the delusion of absence.
God has laid out a lot of ways for that consent to actually be given - have you declared Christ as your Lord, or said those Muslim affirmations, or whatever confirmation the Jews do? Are you going to initiate into a disciplic succession of gurus? Are you going to begin an 8 fold path?
You demand to be the central arbiter of the rules of reality.
You want to be God, and so God lets you.
>Says every religion or cult ever.
This is not special. There are many many many many many many ways to succeed.
>you're part of the 1% (or whatever the size is) of life who know the ultimate truth
This is not special. There are many many many many many many ways to succeed.

>>40651749
>you contradict yourself in two senteces.
No. My PERSONAL definition can align with the dictionary.
My personal definition of "water" aligns with what the dictionary says.
>He could. He didnt. This place is meant for you to experience absence of God. He isnt breaking that while you still choose the absence.
Your opinion, again. Unless God appears in the sky now and says: "This is the truth!" you don't have more evidence or weight behind your words than any other cult, religion or random person online.
>You can make any word you want, but you still choose the delusion of absence.
Nope.
>This is not special. There are many many many many many many ways to succeed.
Of course it is, that's why you keep arguing with me how you are right and I'm wrong. Because you have the truth on your side and everyone else who doesn't agree or see it the same way is deluded.

>>40651803
>My PERSONAL definition can align with the dictionary.
Okay. Well whatever word you use to mean what I have defined, that is what we are talking about.
>God appears in the sky now and says: "This is the truth!"
It would still be an opinion. Do you thinkn God has no opinions? An opinion doesnt become truth simply because a different person says it.
>you don't have more evidence or weight behind your words than any other cult, religion or random person online.
This is not special. There are many many many many many many ways to succeed.
>that's why you keep arguing with me how you are right and I'm wrong
About what? Where? The only thing you are arguing is semantics, and screaming that everything is opinion.
>everyone else who doesn't agree or see it the same way is deluded.
I never said that at all.
You are mixing up the delusion of identity with general incorrectness of knowledge.

>>40652525
>It would still be an opinion. Do you think God has no opinions?
So if even God only has opinions and everything is totally subjective and nothing is true and just an opinion depending on who looks at it, why are you talking about it like it's more than an opinion?
>I never said that at all.
If I say it's not a delusion and you say it is, then you claim that you are right and I'm under the "delusion" that things are a way that they're not.

so confusing. good, bad. jesus/lucifer. the fall. I'm not who I thought I was, or ever will be.

>>40654238
Fr

>>40652585
>Do you think God has no opinions?
>God only has opinions
This is dishonest. Why did you add "only"?
Do you always have to pinball back and forth between extremes with no ability to see other options?
>If I say it's not a delusion and you say it is
you are not everyone. I never said everyone is wrong. I said you are wrong.
You see again how you always jump from one extreme to another?
Many many many many many others who are not you are not wrong.
You are wrong.

>>40654965
So what are God's opinions and what are God's absolute truths? And how do you as a human think you know this?
>you are not everyone. I never said everyone is wrong. I said you are wrong.
That majority of people dont have your faith though. A lot of people are atheist, a lot of people are muslims or christians. They would all disagree with you. So the majority of people in the world are wrong?

>>40640197
I've always believed that the less replies a long post has, the more true it could be, as there are less arguments against it. Contrarians on this site love to call others retards so if they can't or haven't then the poster must have said something that rings true.

This is a good post and I think you're spot on about it. Thank you for posting it.

>>40655018
>So what are God's opinions
Why are you asking me? I simply asked if you thought God was incapable of having them.
>how do you as a human think you know this?
Quote anywhere I said I know God's opinion.
You have persisted in this accusation n that I think I know everything absolutely and I have explicitly denied this over and over and over.
>That majority of people dont have your faith though
This is not special. There are many many many many many many ways to succeed.

I will try to go back to what I said at the beginning.
You have this concept that religion is a "only one can be true and all else is wrong" model, and I reject that.
Religion should be seen more like diet and exercise, or a martial art.
There are many ways to do it, and different methods can be contradictory and still both be "right" and succeed. You do t even need a program at all, but they help most people.

>>40655426
>Why are you asking me? I simply asked if you thought God was incapable of having them.
No. You said if God appeared in the sky and declared something it would just be an opinion: >>40652525
So what is it? Is God telling us how reality that he created works an opinion or a fact?

>This is not special. There are many many many many many many ways to succeed.
I'm not talking about succeeding. I said knowing the truth. The majority of people doesn't believe what you believe. So if you belong to the minority of people who knows the truth unlike the majority, then by definition you hold a special position.

> and still both be "right"
So do you think muslims and christians are right? In what ways?

>>40654238
just be what you can, anon. that should be good enough i think

>>40655272
Im not sure about that, i think he got no (you)s because he didnt piss anyone off. He needs to be more offensive with his take
The reason why i think that is because of this line right here
>because the majority of humanity desires peace and goodness in the world
Not saying its wrong but this is something tons of people disagree with and he didnt give any reasoning for it so its a wide open target for anyone who wants to try him. They didnt because they werent butthurt enough

>>40655272
Thank you for the genuine compliment. Now let's try our best to put our money where our mouth is and prove it in reality, one step at a time. Peace out, bro, and godspeed.

>>40656084
RAAARGGHJHGHRAWRAWRWARAR IMMA BITE YOU WOOOF WOOOF WOOF RYAGYAGYAGYAGYAGA AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!1!!!

>>40656084
I'm just kidding, u chill and cool, friend. only paranormal kisses, no bites for u

>>40639195 (OP)
I don't question the will of the Almighty.

>>40656163
A wise old man once told me to never kiss strangers for they may turn out to have been the enemy you were facing 26 hours ago. Indeed, you can never know when that might happen, it may have already even happened

>>40656292
Enemies to lovers is a very exciting and spicy genre some would say

>>40655462
>and declared something it would just be an opinion
I didnt say something. I said if God gave His opinion on what is the best way.
And we went there because YOU said if God gave His opinion, it would become fact.
>So what is it?
Again, I dont know what God's opinion is. Never said I did.
>I'm not talking about succeeding.
Then you are not in the discussion.
>The majority of people doesn't believe what you believe.
This is not special. There are many many many many many many ways to succeed.
>So do you think muslims and christians are right? In what ways?
Yes. Those methods can be successful.

>>40657964
>I said if God gave His opinion on what is the best way.
You said that if God appeared in the sky and declared what is truth, that it would "just be an opinion" see >>40652525
Why are you pretending otherwise? Go reread what you replied to.
>This is not special. There are many many many many many many ways to succeed.
If you know the objective truth while the majority of people is blind or deluded or misinformed then by definition you hold a special position. You're in the rare club of "truth knowers" that most aren't.
>Those methods can be successful.
Successful to do what? I asked you if they are RIGHT. A muslim thinks if you don't believe in Allah and worship him you will be in hell forever. Is he right or not?