>the most powerful crime mafia in the world
>can blackmail world leaders
>they've murdered royalty and presidents and got away with it
>anyone who refuses to join them mysteriously commits suicide
>watches you every day at any time, anywhere
>all music, films, and other forms of entertainment must be approved by them
>controls every major media outlet
>controls the population
>keeps the military industrial complex alive

How do you defeat this thing?

>>40673120 (OP)
H

This all seems to be way overstated. They probably control significantly less than you assume. I have started to doubt what you believe and I believed, a while ago.

>>40673120 (OP)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yngvi

>>40673142
Yeah, I think their power is often over assumed. They probably do have quite a few members who are individually powerful and wealthy, and they probably do throw their weight around with success like any ordinary mob or gang would, but I think it is ultimately sort of limited.

Source: my ass to be fair.

>>40673120 (OP)
>anyone who refuses to join them mysteriously commits suicide
Masons don't recruit.
And you could theoretically start the process of joining tomorrow. All you have to do is contact your local lodge, come to a few gatherings, and put forward a petition.
People join by asking to join.

Here. Here's a list of Grand Lodges around the world. You can literally reach out to one and they'll put you in contact with your local lodge.
https://www.ugle.org.uk/about-us/foreign-grand-lodges

Crime mafias and secret societies don't operate this openly.

>>40673177
You're right! All you're missing, though, are the hundreds of Lodges within Lodges, Covens, and organizations that themselves recruit from INSIDE Masonry itself! LOL. How does no one understand this? Of course Masonry isn't the be all end all. No shit! IT'S A FEEDER :00000

You threaten all of them with Hell and see which ones crack as they kill each other to avoid Hell fire.

https://youtu.be/WizNXQGBMEk

>>40673207
So your problem with Freemasonry isn't Freemasonry itself, it's with organizations operating within that use it as a front.
But why? There are lots of occult organizations you can join without that front. I mean, OTO is right there -
https://oto-usa.org/

or AMORC
https://www.rosicrucian.org/

or Temple of Set
https://www.xeper.info/

or Builders of the Adytum:
https://www.bota.org/

Or the Martinist Order:
https://www.martinists.org/

Or countless other groups. All operating openly. No membership necessary.
Why would the *real* evil secret bad guys operate out of a fraternity ostensibly devoted to moral philosophy instead of one of those?

https://youtu.be/rtL5oMyBHPs

>>40673142
>>40673174
It's the other groups that membership become available in after you've been initiated.
>>40673177
He would be talking about refusing to 'join' them in doing business their way, not necessarily being one.
>>40673244
Or the Buddhist monks. Doesn't matter. They are all part of the larger control structure.

>>40673177
So how do incidents like this happen?

>>40673309
I mean, what's your proof of any of that besides out of context quotes and schizo ramblings?

>>40673244
Quick tl;dr on each of these groups?

>>40673333
They're just a variety of decent-sized esoteric groups that operate world wide.

>>40673142
Oh really?

>>40673142
And what makes you think it's not them?

>>40673348
Right. I am interested in joining one.

>>40673333
OTO - Ordo Templis Orientis. Aleister Crowley's fraternity.
AMORC - The Rosicrucian Order. There are multiple Rosicrucian groups but that's the largest. They have an Egyptian Museum over in the Bay Area that's open to the public.
Temple of Set - a neo-Satanic group founded by Michael Aquino.
Builders of the Adytum - An organization started by Paul Foster Case. Great correspondence course that will teach you everything you ever wanted to know about Tarot if you're interested.
The Martinist Order - One of many Martinist orders, this one is connected to AMORC. I don't really know a whole lot about Martinism to be honest but it's connected to Christian esotericism.

>>40673391
Thank you. That helps to narrow down the ones I am interested in researching.

>>40673332
Sigh...all you need is ONE. Then, don't be a fucking retard. The nigger that dropped nukes on Japan was a fucking Shriner. The fat, disabled nigger that ushered in the Great Depression was a Mason. The "Founders" of this country were Masons. Joe Biden was given an "honorary" induction into the nigger Masons Lodge. There are a metric shit ton of sex-trafficked whistleblowers that speak about their abuse by the Brotherhood, the Mormons, etc. etc. Ad naseum. Have you ever read Duncan's Ritual of Freemasonry? Have you read their oaths? Probably not. Have you ever heard of Propaganda Due? Probably not. You're a retarded basedence shill. How about Skull and Bones which is an obvious esoteric order inside of Yale that John Kerry AND George Bush, Sr. and Jr., were apart of, along with many other politicians and leaders of industry? Who was the president that led the charge into Iraq, again? Who is responsible for the murder and death of hundreds of thousands of people? Oh yeah, George Bush and his uncle Dick Cheney. I mean really, anon, you have to be stupid to ignore the fact that these people are part of esoteric orders and also responsible for death and destruction across the world. You think these two things are somehow unrelated? No, you probably don't, you're simply paid to ridicule people and throw them off because you're a pathetic fucking waste. Kill yourself, nigger.

>>40673370
>>40673380
Kek, for starters, you're not assigned a number denoting rank in the order you joined.
Actually, the Worshipful Master of the lodge isn't necessarily the person who's been there the longest or even the best leader.
After someone joins, they're quickly suckered into becoming an officer. Usually this starts as a Steward (Junior or Senior), who is responsible for helping the Junior Warden with meals, cleaning up after meals, doing dishes, and all sorts of kitchen staff stuff.
After that, they move up to Junior then Senior Deacon, who have ritual roles. Then there's Junior Warden, who's responsible for refreshment, Senior Warden, who's in charge of various lodge functions and serves as substitute Worshipful Master when the WM is away, and the Worshipful Master who basically runs the lodge and maintains order during meetings and puts matters at hand up for votes to the rest of the lodge.
Worshipful Master sounds pretty powerful, doesn't he? He must be a wizened Mason who's been around for years? Nah. He's just the Senior Warden from last year. Every year there's an election. Roles usually rotate up. The Junior Deacon becomes Senior Deacon. The Senior Deacon rotates up to Junior Warden. The Junior Warden becomes Senior Warden. The Senior Warden becomes Worshipful Master. The Worshipful Master becomes a Past Master, whose primary power is bitching about how the current Worshipful Master isn't doing anything right.
It's a lot less sexy than people tend to imagine.

>>40673425
P2 - you mean that lodge that did a bunch of shady shit and then had its recognition withdrawn?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_Due#Expulsion

You'll have to do better than that.

>>40673411
Out of curiosity, which ones are you interested in?

>>40673380
I just assume that since if they really wanted to rule over the world and establish global communism or whatever the fuck then they would have done that already. What are they waiting for? It doesn't make sense, they aren't that powerful.

>>40673465
You're mistaken.
They're conquering the world.
One pancake breakfast at a time.

>>40673142
This, totally overblown, there are organizations with way more power than them, kikes as a whole have way much more power

>>40673244

Not that I agree that's Freemasonry is the mack daddy group of debauched occultists controlling the world, because its not, but Freemasonrys Moral Philosophy is enlightenment morality which on the surface level *looks* reasonable and pure but is inherently Luciferian as it places an emphasis on individualism and liberty which is the slippery slope that lead to the West's degeneration. In theory it is noble but its extreme conclusion is the fragmented godless, self centered, and narcissistic environment we live in today. Humans are holons and when primary importance is placed on individualism it wreaks havoc on the spirit and soul. Classical liberalism and enlightenment philosophy was a mistake.

>>40673482
A good take.
To be fair, I actually do think there was a small bit of merit to what the person I was responding to claimed. At one point.
There was a time when you didn't openly advertise esoteric interests unless you wanted to get burned. And, as you said, Masonry was a hotbed for a lot of enlightenment thinking. I think a good number of esoteric minded people flocked to the fraternity and very much did use it as a means to meet individuals of similar interests and form groups. A lot of esoteric groups have been founded by Masons, after all.
But we don't live in those times. Those groups can and do operate in the open now and don't require Masonic membership to take part in them.

>>40673475
Agreed, masons are just goy tools for the Jewish establishment. However, there's some evidence (looking at the history) that the Jesuit order is covertly controlling (((them))). Either way, there's an intimate relationship between the Jesuits and the jews.

>>40673475
It's almost like the creator of OP is deflecting from more powerful, nefarious groups.

>>40673459
Builders of the Adytum and the Martinist Order

They both already seem to align with my own personal interests. I have recently lost heart in my studies and am hoping interacting with others may rekindle something.

>>40673507
True, I'm starting to think the heavy duty anti-Masonry is the real conspiracy

>>40673529
I'd fully recommend BOTA. Great organization.
In all openness, there are a number of Martinist orders. That's a fairly big one, but some people have misgivings about AMORC. Do look into others. Martinism is connected to Rosicrucianism and this is a pretty good Rosicrucian site (which is not particularly fond of AMORC, I might add):
https://pansophers.com/
CR+C might be worth your time to look into as well:
https://www.crcsite.org/

>>40673529
>>40673550
Also to be clear: I'm not discouraging you from AMORC or TMO. Both have people who swear they've learned a lot from them. I just wanted you to be aware that there are detractors... but that doesn't mean the detractors are right.
FWIW, I think both are on the up and up.

>>40673550
Thanks, anon. BOTA has indeed caught my interest.

I am a busy man so I may focus on that for now.

>>40673573
Great choice!
Like I said, their tarot course is unparalleled if you want to understand the full tarot symbolism.

>>40673177
Invite me, let me ride the goat!

>>40674009
kek, you don't need an invitation - just look up the Grand Lodge for where you live. Most Grand Lodge sites have a page for people inquiring to join and you can go from there.
You're going to be disappointed about the goat, sadly.

You can't defeat superstitious children?

>>40673120 (OP)

They have two pillars with their "knowledge" carved on it. One is resistant to fire. One is resistant to water. They know what is coming.

>>40673333
Quads!!!!
AMORC - is the entry level Rosicrucian. They were a mail order esoteric group back in the day. Now you can pay something like $150 and get email course material. They're into self study of their esoteric principals and have an Egyptian motif.

I thin where it differs from Freemasonry is that the Masons are more about fellowship and networking as social "builders". Not a lot of magic going on there. The rituals are allegorical psychodrama. Not that there isn't power in that but AMORC is more /x/ style in it's approach.

Temple of Set - This is Michael Aquino's break away sect from LaVey's Satanism. This is a results based group. I wasn't aware you can just come in off the street and become a member. Initiates choose a path of study and find like minded peers and create their own group within called a pylon.

OTO- I guess that's sex magick once they get to know you. Read some Crowley and Golden Dawn to get an idea.

idk about those other ones. If I were to join Freemasons it would be the Memphis-Misraim order which is focused more on the Egyptian mysteries much like AMORC. Rudolph Steiner was a Grand Master and Rudolf von Sebottendorf the founder of the Thule Society was an initiate.

>>40673139
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>>40674502
Just a heads up - Memphis-Misraim is looked upon as a clandestine order and would preclude any membership in a lodge affiliated with Regular Freemasonry.
Not saying don't do it if it interests you, just that most Masons won't recognize you as a Mason or allow you to join if you decided you wanted to.
Incidentally, there's speculation that AMORC might have been influenced by Memphis-Misraim.

>>40674509
H

>>40674502
How does that connect to the Vatican the Papal Bloodlines and the other Royalty?

>>40673207
>hundreds of Lodges within Lodges, Covens, and organizations that themselves recruit from INSIDE Masonry itself!
This anon is right. In masonry there is something called side doors where
they recruit current members in good standing to irregular/esoteric/secret lodges. Thats where all the real stuff is happening.

>>40674946
That might have been true 100 years ago or so but those days are long past.
Esoteric organizations operate pretty much out in the open now.

>>40674972
Thats absolutely untrue.

>>40674985
Not at all.
This is actually one of the biggest reasons Freemasonry is dying right now and has been for a while.
As noted here (>>40673244), it's not hard to find openly-esoteric organizations.

>>40674985
Back when I was an active Mason, most of the brethren knew fuck-all about esotericism or anything along those lines.
There were those of us who were into it. And we talked about such things. Even tried to form our own little Golden Dawn Chapter, complete with ritual done out of Israel Regardie's Golden Dawn and some shrooms as a sort of sacrament. We did it in the lodge.
Long story short, somehow word got out and the Worshipful Master was pissed. Didn't know I was involved and mentioned it to me and he couldn't do anything because they had no proof but he wanted to bring everyone involved up on Masonic Charges, as did others in the Grand Line.
The point is, most Masons frown on that sort of thing, at least these days. There are side organizations like the Scottish Rite and York Rite and Shrines but those aren't covens. I think it likely did serve as a front for esotericism at one point but those days are long past and it's a dying fraternity now.

>>40673120 (OP)
Puppets of Jesuit’s

>>40675064
I've obviously hit a nerve.
What you are talking about is not side doors or recruitment to special lodges. Your experience isn't relevant to my post and I'm not talking about general recruitment.

How are Freemasons keeping "secrets" when nazis destroyed 90% of European lodges, seized all their assets, literature and documentation in WW2?

>>40673120 (OP)
I find it interesting how there used to be a version of this that had the cave prisoners escaping into a hellscape, but that image has been wiped from the internet? Do THEY want us to try and escape? why?

>>40675064
Was it a continental lodge or a regular lodge. I recently learnt there seem to be a huge difference betwenn UK/US regular lodges and european mainland "clandestine" lodges

To me it started to look like freemasons are just regular guys who like to dress fancy have male friendships, discuss philosophy and want to give something back to society in the sense of being nice/helpful

also I was told my a self proclaimed mason that the degrees are not really ranks, more like merit badges like the boy scouts have too

>>40673120 (OP)
Wrong pic bro. The church is the worst

>>40673120 (OP)
>>anyone who refuses to join them mysteriously commits suicide
Sometimes they don't kill you. They just turn you into trannies. See: the directors of the Matrix, who ended up making the series pretty lame and gay after the first movie.

>>40676165
True, but I think usually when people discuss "masons", they're really discussing literal freemasonry as well as all associated groups, either within it or prior to it.

Which makes me wonder... what was masonry called prior to "freemasonry". I'm not talking about which Templar group founded the first lodge. I'm talking about the tradition of lodges. What is that? Are ancient temples just lodges?

>>40676177
Both can be true. I just realized how this connects with some other writing I've been doing.

For the longest time, I thought the cave was all about sensation and processing information. Of course, you literally can't leave your body. Your soul really is stuck in there. I'm sorry, but when you die, your body will decompose, and what remains of you will go into the soil, and hopefully some part of you will be in the minds of those you knew. We don't need to speak of morbid facts all the time, but it's true.

However, this metaphor of the cave is really about the ego. The soul CAN escape the ego, but it has to become aware of what the ego really is and its limitations. I think the ending of the story of "happily ever after", including the fulfillment of all of your hopes and dreams, including infinite life, is really simply about achieving what your ego says is impossible. You achieve what you think is impossible when you stop caring about what you THINK (in an egoic sense) is possible. Obviously there are some practical limits to this, but hopefully you get what I'm saying.

Anyways, once the soul has broken containment for good, it is in raw contact with everything. The feeling and power can be bliss, but of course raw contact with painful things will always be there too, and you won't be able to hide away in rationalization or anything like that.

>>40673120 (OP)
>>how do you defeat the jews?
>>pic unrel

>>40676349
See above. What you call "Jews" are literally just guys who build temples. It's true that among the tradition of the "people who build temples", there arose a dark priesthood that acts as malevolent philosopher-kings, in opposition to benevolent philosopher-kings, making the whole thing a cosmic battle between groups having different versions of reality, different philosophies and justifications for attempting to lead the world in the way that they do. The modern Jewish elite are among the group who "went to the darkside", so to speak. They are simply materialists, which biblical heroes (both Christian AND Jewish) call simply "satanic".

Probably the truest definition of satanic is having an obsession with one's ego. Satan is the ego, because Satan is "the opposer", who acts as god's "lawyer on earth" in a sense. The goal of the hero is to defeat Satan, which means to defeat the ego and thus break free of it. Those who worship the ego are the farthest from breaking free and thus the most dangerous.

>>40676368
Beyond the elite kaballah the way most of them (average jewish guy off the street, say 90% of the time) act rubs me the wrong way. 9/10 jews are violently zionist goy-hating 'us and them' people and the minority are self-hating and want nothing to do with their kind. Even the ones that don't necessarily engage with the culture still have that instinctual 'us and them' attitude.

>>40676391
>9/10 jews are violently zionist goy-hating 'us and them' people
Couldn't you say the same for any other cult? There's no doubt that judaism as we know it is a cult, and a recent one at that.

If you want to see who the "ancient Jews" are, just look for ancient cults (in contrast to ancient mystery schools who actually helped with ascension). If you have a school which actively discourages ascension, then you know for a fact that you're dealing with a cult, because that's pretty much all cults can do. They prevent people from breaking free of their ego (and thus truly being unchained and uncontrollable) by hiding the keys first, and then they imprint the figurehead of the cult into the psyche of everyone, who are fundamentally and metaphysically unable to escape from it.

I think we are talking about the history of the most powerful empires in world history, because all of them were started out of ego, and the method of sustaining an empire not only requires the egoic impetus to build it, but the intelligence to short-circuit everyone's ego beneath them.

>>40676368
(samefagging)

I think there's one layer deeper to this actually. One of the best and simplest examples of Satanism might be the Mayan Empire. There is a descent into human sacrifice, which on the face, just sounds awful and bad with absolutely no justification. I think I see how it came about though.

As a thought experiment, imagine that a priest administered powerful entheogens to all people in the population from birth. How do you think it would go? Would people be happy? Would they build a beautiful world?

No, they'd build a terrifying world, albeit one that is also beautiful in some respects. The absolute inhumane terror of their rituals comes as a result of lacking any ego to begin with. We need our egos to grow until we reach a point of wisdom and strength where we can defeat it. Before that point, we would be weak and stupid, with a loosened soul that has no empathy at all for someone going through pain (an egoic experience).

Thus, we NEED to go through hell before we get to heaven. If we go straight to heaven, we could become the worst satans on earth, creating unimaginable torture for others.

I think this cuts a bit closer to the modern elite, since we know of so much of their barbarism. They are running away with knowledge and practices to administer ego death to their children from birth, through trauma, and they and their Nazi scientists study trauma through inhumane research to further these ends.

At some point, I think the futurists decided they would have to sacrifice much of humanity for themselves to achieve some gay form of immortality, which is why the true elite demonstrate this weird, seemingly contradictory, combination of self-defeating liberalism/leftism (see: Club of Rome's publications on climate change for instance), their actions to spur global pandemics and push poisonous cures, their willingness to start wars to make a buck, and many other things of that nature.

>>40673142
Oh gee thanks mister I was about to consider this topic with an open mind but then I read your comment and I fully agree. Nigger.

>>40676320
>Which makes me wonder... what was masonry called prior to "freemasonry". I'm not talking about which Templar group founded the first lodge. I'm talking about the tradition of lodges. What is that? Are ancient temples just lodges?
It's not the continuation of some grand tradition... that's the mistake people make.
Masons don't even claim such, despite what so many seem to think.
Guilds were big in Medieval Europe. There were guilds for everything. You started off as an Apprentice, eventually you got recognized as a Journeyman, and hopefully you eventually made it to being a Master in your guild.
Medieval guilds existed in a religious time. Everyone speculated about everything in religious terms. And so did the Stonemason guilds, especially given that they were building churches and cathedrals. God built the heavens and the world and they were building buildings. Medieval thinking relied a lot on thinking in analogies. So they thought in terms of building King Solomon's Temple, which is representative of the soul, and tools as reflecting important values and lessons.
As society moved into enlightenment times, wealthy outsiders saw their philosophy and were interested in it. The stoneworkers were "operative masons", while these wealthy outsiders who started associating with them became speculative masons. And it's out of speculative masonry that what we know as Freemasonry started developing in earnest.
There is no ancient tradition. Claims to that came later, by people trying to impose a grandiosity that didn't really exist (it makes sense from an allegoric standpoint but there's no historical evidence for that). The attempts to frame it in terms of the Mystery Schools was done by those who wanted to move it away from the Christian traditions in which it arose.

>>40673120 (OP)
Sashahara locus bro, or the tier of metal locus interesting to you?

>>40676914
Meta*

Zachary freemasons Brighton Barrington did crimes to me and it's freemasons mental health their funny dodgy. Dead cunts fools finished. Shut up ya poofs - I say to him everyday - stinking faggots (too) the poofs

>>40676925
It's cunts act hard

I read that the Temple of Solomon was made in the style of the Temple of Melkart, he was eaten by Typhon and resurrected (like Mot ate Baal or like Vritra swallowed Indra). He was identified with Hercules, Santa (Šanta. lol. imagine if Santa was connected with him), Ninurta, Marduk, Bel (the same Marduk), he was also connected with Nabu (a very close connection between father and son can be traced everywhere, essentially like Osiris and Horus. Ba-El literally means the soul of El), as well as Nergal, Erra, Reshef, Apulu (Apollo), Sydik. Baal Hamon was essentially Zeus, and Baal was also called Baal Karnaim (two-horned), that is, you see this Krn (crown, horn, Cernunnos, etc.). as if Jupiter is Cronus)

In the Temple of Melkart there were two special columns(like boaz and jachin), in fact he is the god of the Masons

>>40677003
>Ball (dance event) (from fr. bal, ital. ballo, germ. Ball)
Carn + bal = Carnival, because B could be replaced by V (in some languages Baal sounds like Vaal/ VALhala/aVALon btw)
there were golden times. everyone danced (while the child was burning in the fire. such is the price for bliss)

>>40677003
There is no "God of the Masons" because Freemasonry is a fraternity with some religious overtones, not an actual religion.

>>40677025
You glow like the emerald column in the temple of Melqart

>>40677047
Fuck off with that.
Why do you schizo dickheads have to accuse anyone who counters your narratives of being glowies.
Maybe you're the glowie. You're the one pushing stuff that's out there because of some hidden agenda you have. That seems far more likely.

>>40677058
Evidently the Phoenician Master Mason Hiram Abiff, is synonymous with Melqart, Khurum, Hiram, Heracles, Hercules and the Sun

>>40677085
There's a solar allegory there, to be sure.
The same can be said of Christ though. People have been making solar allegories since man first started allegories and, given that they're talking about the same thing, the similarities aren't going to be too surprising.
It doesn't mean one allegory is necessarily referencing the others.

>>40677133
>There's a solar allegory there, to be sure.
Melkat = Osiris/Horus = Hercules (Dionysus, Tammuz) = Jesus

https://www.tektonics.org/copycat/baal01.php

https://alightinthedarkness.substack.com/p/when-jesus-is-called-lord-do-we-mean

https://itsanoptionok.blogspot.com/2010/04/pillars-revisited.html

>>40677147
I was agreeing with you.
But what I'm saying is that you're taking it too far if you think Freemasonry is a direct continuation of ancient religion. People borrowed from allegories when Masonry became more formalized in the 18th and 19th centuries.

>>40677085
Don't forget Nimrod.

>>40673174
You're right. It's something between a religion and military parade, I joined fm cpl years ago, mostly bunch of old pompous farts praising each other. Their power comes from the actually powerful people meeting up and making connections.

>>40677206
Bingo.

>>40673120 (OP)
Call them niggers, root your phone and flash it with Graphene, install gentoo and buy guns.

gotta make it an inside job i guess. whos volunteering?

>>40677302
They're not stupid and "Palantir" already existed in private, they know when a revolutionary joins.

>>40677172
Hercules (Melkart, Ninurta, etc.) is literally the chief Mason. He is a hero and the first organizer of the cities and civilizer, he is also Targitaos Scythian

His wife Asherah, Astarte, Ishtar, Inanna, Isis, Venus, Aphrodite, Šauška, Snake-Legged Goddess (Anguipede, Artimpasa)
(and Cōātlīcue)

>>40677319
and he is Mixcoatl

>>40677319
>>40677325
Mixcoatl (Huītzilōpōchtli)
Hercales (Melqart)
>both say to swim to the island where there will be a tree (or cactus) on which a bird sits, and a snake crawls towards it

>>40677319
Right.
What I'm saying is that Masonic ritualists borrowed from these solar myths.
They don't reflect a line that goes back millennia. The Catholic Church would have rooted that out fast. This stuff was slapped on top of stonemason guild ritual and then claimed to go back throughout the ages to lend it credibility.

>>40674550
Yeah I know they're an irregular lodge. That's what I'm saying though, they appear to be more focused on the mysteries rather than socio-political maneuvering.

>>40674923
I have no idea of the inner workings of the Vatican. It would appear there's both cross memberships and cross infiltration between various secret societies. Royal bloodlines have their own inner societies that the public aren't privy to.

>>40676177

>>40677205
Yes, I know about it. Perhaps Mount Meru was actually the Tower of Babel, so huge and where Indra (Baal, Zeus, Marduk, etc.) sat and it was destroyed

>>40677350
I still think that at the 33rd degree you are told who the Masonic God is.

>>40677398
There is no "Masonic God." It's a fraternity, not a religion. Yes, there are allegorical rituals in the lodge. But Masons don't go home and pray to "The Masonic God" or perform rituals outside the lodge or any of that.
The God of Masonry was originally just the God of the Bible. As operative masonry began to be replaced by speculative masonry (along with a bunch of men who weren't really Christian), they began leaning into a more syncretic vision of God that tied in ancient pagan mythologies in order to make it more "mystical" and "profound."
They thought they were talking about the same thing but weren't. But, again, this isn't some ancient religion passed down from ancient times. Just a Christian stonemason guild that got co-opted by a bunch of rich people who didn't really believe in Christianity who decided to divorce the original symbolism from the religion that originally formed it.

>>40677398
30-33 they worship lucifer and fuck kids

>>40677496
Pretty sure you worship lucifer and fuck kids.

>>40677496
It's hilarious that you folks think there's actually 33 levels people go through.
You join the Scottish Rite. There are a bunch of plays that teach moral lessons. You watch around four or five of these plays, the last of which is the 32nd, and presto, you're a 32nd Degree Mason.
You can do it over several months time. It's no great achievement. People aren't actually working up some imaginary hierarchy, a regular full member of the Scottish Rite is a 32nd Degree Scottish Rite Mason.

>>40677496
>lucifer
Lugh(Leuk), aka Apollo

Luke Skywalker

>>40677453
>>40677532
They managed to get in touch with Melkart (Hercules, Ninurta), the god of masons.

>>40677561
Funny, I was a 32nd Degree Mason back when I was active and I never heard a word about that.

>>40677532
I think its sad you typed all thought out and didn't deny what the upper degrees are doing. You people make me sick.

>>40677596
Because you know it's bullshit. And it's bullshit you said so that you could turn around and accuse me of trying too hard to refute it.
Cut the crap.

>>40677591
But you've probably heard of Osiris (the same thing)

>>40677636
I'm well aware of Osiris and everything you're talking about, but not in the context of any Masonic degree.
These are all valid interpretations of Masonic ritual, and I'm sure the allusions are more than coincidental. But my point is that they're not explained as such at any point in lodge itself.

>>40677691
Okay

What do your brothers want to hint at? What's wrong with the green color? Why was the emerald column in the temple of Hercules-Melkart (Osiris), is glowed at night. What's wrong with the green color?

>>40677616
It's not bullshit and I can tell by your panic I'm right. Masons like Albert Pike and others spilled the beans and you are here on damage control, though failing miserably.

>>40677713

>>40677713
There's nothing wrong with the color green, that has nothing to do with Masonry.
I think you've mistaken Freemasonry for something it isn't. People hear a few things about it, see some pictures, start speculating, and then set up this image of the things that really doesn't correlate to reality.
Maybe that sounds evasive but it's the truth. You could literally join a lodge and see what I'm talking about. Here's a list of grand lodges - find the grand lodge for the area in which you live, visit the site, and they'll straight up put you in touch with your local lodge so you can ask questions to your hearts content and even petition to join if you want. It's not hard to join which is why all this speculation is sort of funny - you'd have a lot more leakers if there was truth to it.

https://www.ugle.org.uk/about-us/foreign-grand-lodges

>>40677721
If you say so.

>>40677742
An ordinary person will never reach the 33rd degree, so there is no point. Besides, to do this you need to be rich, and also donate a vial of blood

>>40677754
I know so.

>>40677770
Anyone can become 33rd if they work for it. And 33rds aren't some elite of Masonry - it's mostly just an award and carries a bit of institutional weight in the Scottish Rite jurisdiction it's received in but that's it.
A 33rd Degree Mason isn't a 32nd Degree Mason's "Boss." A 33rd Degree Mason doesn't carry any authority whatsoever in the rest of Freemasonry outside the Scottish Rite. The highest-ranked Mason in any region is the Most Worshipful Master of the Grand Lodge of that region, and you can absolutely hold that spot without being a 33rd Degree member of the Scottish Rite.
You don't need to be rich. My dues were around $200 a year and that was considered upper end. Never once gave blood.

>>40677774
k

>>40673505
Freemasonry is an esoteric pyramid marketing scheme to keep busy zogbots and goyim, engineered to take over White nations and subvert institutions from the inside.

>>40677787
Why are you trying to treat the whole thread like fools? Maybe in some lodges even 33 degree masons remain ignorant goyim, nevertheless masons have a hidden teaching and god, 100%

>>40677797
enjoy your cope

>>40677811
Again - it's funny how you've convinced yourself that the guy who's actually been a Mason and who has read a lot of the same crap you have is the "fool" who knows nothing, while actually those on the outside who have never so much as stepped foot in a lodge are the ones really in the know.
That's some very twisted logic you have there. I am sharing my experiences with you. All you have are paranoid speculations based largely on the slander that permeates this place.

>>40677815
It's not cope because, unlike you, I know what I'm talking about.
The real cope is how hard you have to convince yourself that you have secret knowledge when you don't.

>>40677824
>In Dvaraka (Atlantis, aka Xibalba) there were floors in the form of a chessboard
>In Masonic lodges there are chessboard floors

>>40673120 (OP)
>How do you defeat this thing?
You can't, but God can and will. Read the Book of Revelation.

>>40677841
>In the house of jews you will find carpeting
>your house has carpeting as well
Does that make you a jew?

>>40677829
Its not even secret knowledge. Your retarded brothers wrote about it themselves. Take it up with them, Brother Cope.

>>40677854
>your brothers said so
LMAO, straight out your ass.
You gonna give us some quotes and sources or are you a little bitch who makes claims without backing them up?

The double-headed eagle is the symbol of Ninurta. He sort of hit Anzu's head with his thunder club and it split in two.

>>40673332
No proof. Figure it out yourself. You think people give a shit if it's proven to you? They largely prefer it not!

>How do you defeat this thing?

Jesus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt4rWLVAW5g

>>40677883
Obviously they care - otherwise why would they make the claims in the first place?
This sounds like cope due to the fact that those making the claims know that the proof is weak.

>>40677889
>Jesus
He himself was a mason. The Bible says that he was τέκτων which means builder, master. At the time of the Bible, houses were mainly built of wood, so it is logical to use the word "carpenter", but in Judea at that time, stone houses were mainly built, so it is more likely that "mason" is meant here.

>>40677905
Jesus was a mystic, not a tradesman. More like a yoga teacher than a carpenter.

>>40677799
NTA
Actually the pyramid symbolism and the density of symbols is what makes me most suspicious about masonry.
But I am not sure. ChatGPT says pyramid is not originally a masonic symbol.

I hate pyramid symbol because I associate them with hierarchical tyranny and oppressive systems, power structures.
Also I have read somewhere there is a masonic concept that the stone to be worked on is the individual so it fits better into the grand building.

I am not sure if this is really a masonic concept or just hearsay or slander.

I don't like the concept of a power structure like a pyramid forming individuals so they better fit in for the sake of this building.
The whole concept of building temples I find a little sus.
Like if you actually want to help people why not instead of building large fancy buildings at enormous cost, why not better do social housing.
I am not saying free masons want to build large fancy buildings instead of helping the poor and needy, but still I think it may be encoded in their symbolism.

Secrecy and fancy symbolism creates intrigue which could be used to fish for commitment, a tactic which a lot of cults and fishy organizations use: "to get the secret you must commit and obey so one day when you will be found worthy the grand master will reveal the vital secret to you". I am not saying that is the intent of freemasonry, I am just saying that fancy symbols can be and have been used to such ends.

That being said, I think I talked to the freemason guy yesterday, it was a pleasant talk and I feel there is not elitism or arrogance towards me or anyone, even though he is 32 degree mason and I am just a nobody. So I don't know. he has been very patient and open about everything.
It's not easy to be this patient and open with so many misconceptions and hostility thrown at you. I respect this guys patience and openness despite all the hostile attitude he is confronted with.
It makes a case against freemasonry being a cult of peer pressure.

>>40677905
>The carpenter stretcheth out his rule; he marketh it out with a line; he fitteth it with planes, and he marketh it out with the compass, and maketh it after the figure of a man, according to the beauty of a man; that it may remain in the house (Isaiah 44:13)

>>40677905
Great point.
To be clear, he didn't belong to any "Masonic" organization (which did not exist back then), but he was absolutely part of what inspired later Masons.
They took his "building the temple" talk and extended it to an allegory involving the building of the Temple of Solomon.

>>40677870
Why do you all lie? Albert Pike in Morals and Dogma talks about Lucifer being the light and "our god"

>>40677914
>Actually the pyramid symbolism and the density of symbols is what makes me most suspicious about masonry.
>But I am not sure. ChatGPT says pyramid is not originally a masonic symbol.
It's not a Masonic symbol at all.
There are a lot of symbols that people think are Masonic that are not. It lends to a lot of the confusion and is fairly frustrating from the Masonic side.
There is no "hierarchy" in Masonry. I mean, there's a hierarchy in the lodge management (Grand Lodge oversees local lodges, Worshipful Master oversees the lodge meeting, etc), but that's organizational, not something having to do with control.

>>40677919
You forgot that Jesus has intersections with all the characters I mentioned. With Osiris, Horus, Hadad, Melqart, Marduk and Nabu

On the cross he calls on Eli/Eloi, which is connected with El (and he is with Enlil, in Babylon he was replaced by Marduk). So I assume that he is Nabu. The Mandesi identify Nabu with Jesus. Nabu is the same Mercury-Hermes, he also has intersections with Ninurta, he replaced him essentially

>>40677923
I've read the quotes in question and they absolutely do not.
The only quote that does say that is this:
>That which we must say to the world is that we worship a god, but it is the god that one adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees: The masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the higher degrees, maintained in the Purity of the Luciferian doctrine. If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay and his priests calumniate him?
>Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also god. For the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two gods; darkness being necessary for light to serve as its foil as the pedestal is necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive....
>Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is a heresy, and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil.
Which sounds like a slam dunk. Until you realize that it's a well-established hoax:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxil_hoax

>>40677923
They're shills whose damage-control thread was hijacked with actual info, of course they're going to backtrack and lie.

>>40677928
Bingo. Nabu/Hermes, god of the hermeticists (imagine that.) Teacher of men.

>>40677913
He was trained in carpentry from His earthly father St. Joseph, His public ministry that lasted for 3 years was teaching but He also knew how to do carpentry.

>>40677928
The strangest thing is that Pontius Pilate means sea + spear

Typhon had a spear
Vritra had a spear
Mot had a spear
were associated with the sea

???

>>40677928
Honest question: have you read any of my responses to you throughout this thread?

>>40677905
>He himself was a mason.

Nonsense. You make Jesus out to be a liar. Jesus taught the truth, to be honest and open, to speak plainly. Masons are the opposite of this, they act in secret, they even lie to each other.

Matthew 5:37
>But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

>>40677944
Of course. You say that a closed organization influencing politics, people's lives, mass culture does not have a secret teaching and allegedly has no connection with the ancient gods.

>>40677894
You're the one that has to cope with not understanding this stuff. Our leaders seem to.

>>40677932
lol you really are Brother Cope

>>40677950
>They are not lying, they are just not telling the truth. Notice in the thread the mason is evading clear answers and wriggling (Therefore be as shrewd as snakes)
Jesus spoke in allegories all the time and also hid from the Jews (changed his appearance)

>>40677954
> You say that a closed organization influencing politics, people's lives, mass culture
It's not.
It might have at one point. But it's not now. This is just a schizo idea that you've gotten in your brain.
>does not have a secret teaching and allegedly has no connection with the ancient gods
Only if you try to force square pegs into round holes, which is all anyone's done throughout this thread.
>>40677958
>You're the one that has to cope with not understanding this stuff. Our leaders seem to.
I can assure you that I understand it better than you do.
But I get it. You are repeating stuff that you *need* to believe because it boosts your ego, make you think you *really* understand how the world works.
You alone have the secret knowledge, everyone else is sheep.
Must be comforting on some level. I mean, sure, it's horrible. But you're smart. Much smarter than everyone else around you in your life who looks down on you.

>>40673120 (OP)
Defeat? What would replace it?

>>40677967
LMAO.
Your very accusations of cope against me are cope on your part.
It is all projection with you.
You don't know jack shit about the things you think you understand better than everyone else around you.

>>40677972
>Only if you try to force square pegs into round holes, which is all anyone's done throughout this thread.
https://sacred-texts.com/mas/sof/sof08.htm

>>40677950
>Masons are the opposite of this, they act in secret, they even lie to each other.
Is this really so?
The mason guy has been explaining everything pretty openly, and it is true that anyone can join the masons. Their landmarks are publicly available.
Their charity is well known and embedded in their landmarks and philosophy. Like their works for the good of people are documented without trying to get fame for it.

Considering all this I think it is a little unfair to say it's just all liars who act in secret and have bad intentions.
It really does not fit with any of the available evidence.
I think it's good to be critical, skeptical and observant, but I think it's important to be intellectually honest and fair in the light of evidence.

>>40677972
the level of passive aggressive manipulation and verbiage in this post alone tells us you're either a female larper, or took it up the ass so much that's all you can muster now.

>>40677988
Hit a little bit close to home for ya, didn't it.

>>40677988
Perhaps the mention of ancient gods who are really connected with Freemasonry some truth so that had to send emerald glowie nigger

>>40677985
Again, enacting rituals that embrace universal themes that can be found across many religions is not the same as being in league with ancient gods.
I don't deny that there are connections to what you're saying and Masonry. But what I'm saying is that it's kind of not the point of Masonry itself.
It's a fraternity that, yes, uses a lot of symbols and imagery. But it's not a religion. Those rituals teach moral lessons while forming fraternal bonds. They're not actually worship or invoking anything.

>>40677954
NTA
The regular freemasonry is pretty open about everything and it is one of their landmarks that political/religious talk is forbidden.
A landmark for UK/US freemasonry, which I called regular.

The europe mainland freemasonry has other landmarks and they do not cooperate with the regular US/UK lodges.
Masonic cooperation is even forbidden for US/UK lodges it's all in their public available landmarks.

I looked into it yesterday.

>>40678020
You guys take your little jabs to try to get under other people's skins, and that's okay, but if someone takes a jab back at you suddenly it's proof that you're right.
You couldn't argue in good faith if your life depended on it. But that's the point. The point is drown me in accusations I have to respond to so I'll give up, so you can then go forward just spreading slander unopposed.

>>40673142
Shut the fuck up retarded satanist, If clubs like bohemian grove exist, proved on fucking video and pictures, their power isnt overestimated
You have literal satanists as commanders of the most powerful armies
>>40673120 (OP)
They cannot be defeated by humans, only by God who will crush them when He decides it

>>40678043
Bohemian Grove is completely unrelated to Freemasonry. Separate groups.
The fact that you think so shows you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

>>40678015
>>40678037
You hit no jabs, just some flailing around and kvetching about "no hidden occult society" or worship of the architect of light. Sure, Jan.

>>40678057
Sure.
It's a hidden occult society, but it has a website where you could even inquire into joining.
https://www.ugle.org.uk/about-us/foreign-grand-lodges
Masons supposedly hide their affiliation with various groups. Oh, but never mind that Masons are also quite visible and openly share their affiliation pretty much everywhere they're involved.
But yeah, I'm the one who deserves the "Sure, Jan."

>>40678067
You can't even discredit anymore, and now you hinge your tactics on nitpicked bones. A starving scavenger.

>>40676794
Maybe the history of guilds is what I'm missing. I've ready they even existed in ancient Babylonian times. I have very little concept for what a guild is — what it looked like, who was in it, how it operated, etc. I understand the point about job training, but seems like we're missing something.

Interesting response though. Thanks.

Jesuist are the ones behind masons, and lots of scheming jews are jesuist too

>>40678641
It's worth checking into.
But the guild system is the reason for the "degrees". Apprentice = Entered Apprentice. Journeyman = Fellow Craft. Master = Master Mason. The point of becoming a "Master" is that you could travel and work anywhere and were at the top of your craft - when someone becomes a Master Mason, they can travel and go to different lodges anywhere in the world so long as they're recognized to go about the "Craft" (basically, lodge meetings and whatnot).
That's why there's no "higher" degree than the Third, "Master Mason." The rest are elaborations on what it is to be a Master Mason. Appendant groups like the Scottish Rite and York Rite have their own takes, of course, but the mistake people make is in assuming that they're Freemasonry in the strict sense. I mean, yes, they fall under the umbrella but they don't hold status within the Blue Lodge system. And they do have their own things with their own lores and hierarchies but those aren't so secretive either - for example, here's the leadership of the Scottish Rite Northern Masonic Jurisdiction here in the US:
https://scottishritenmj.org/about/leadership

But Scottish Rite stuff applies to Scottish Rite. York Rite stuff applies to York Rite. It doesn't confer any authority within the Blue Lodge whatsoever and, indeed, the Most Worshipful Grand Master of a Grand Lodge can even rescind recognition of those groups if he so desired (which would cause a ruckus because a lot of Masons belong to them, but that's besides the point).

>>40679398
The oldest degree system that I'm familiar with is the Mithraic order, but I don't think that's the authoritative source. Mithraic stuff seems like a knightly brotherhood, so I guess you could call it a soldier's guild.

I think temple = school = guild in some cases, so we can look for the origin of any of these things and find ancestors of cousins of the concept. That would take me to Egypt or maybe Babylon. The book I read on this was incredibly biased, but it seemed well-researched. It talked about how guilds were below the temples of the major god(s) in town, but it opened an avenue for the middle class to gain power in an unchecked manner. They started running their temple as a business, asking for favors/money and building a network with other merchant guilds in other cities.

>>40673120 (OP)
>>can blackmail world leaders
Wrong, they ARE the world leaders. These powers are not in conjuction, THEY ARE

>>40677206
>>40677215
Glowies trying to call it a country club again
>It's just Old ppl bro

>>40673142
Why would you say such a thing?

>>40679493
It's a lot easier to get into than a country club bro. Way cheaper too.
But sure, convince yourself that the dying fraternity that's desperate for new members that charges maybe a few hundred dollar a year to belong to is the secret elite running the show.
I mean, that's retarded but you do you.

>>40679497
Eye in the Pyramid isn't a Masonic symbol.
The Eye of Providence is, but the pyramid is not a symbol of Blue Lodge Masonry. It is a symbol of the Shriners, if I'm not mistaken, but the Shriners are an appendant group and don't represent all of Masonry.
That stand-alone pyramid with the Masonic sign on it *does* have an eye on the top, if I'm not mistaken (it's in Eilat, Israel). I don't know why they'd put an eye in a pyramid when that's not a Masonic symbol but it should be noted that Masons donate shit to towns and cities all the time; it's not a sign of power or influence.
The Israeli supreme court roof pyramid was actually designed by a brother and sister team (Ada Carmi-Melamed and Ram Carmi) who won an award for their design. It's not Masonic.

>>40679635
>Eye in the Pyramid isn't a Masonic symbol
For anyone who doubts this:
https://scottishrite.org/scottish-rite-myths-and-facts/eye-in-the-pyramid/

>>40677799

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmX_Eru4U9E

>There's nothing wrong with taking the position, in everything you do, that you do your best..... or nothing you do is worth taking Pride in. Your best..... or nothing.

Behold; what a pleasure for the home she is.... Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUWcEhETsFo

>.....is live even worth living otherwise?

>>40680562

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight_Kadosh

I STARE @ MASONS.

>Kadesh, the Goddess known as "mistress of the star", and "without equal", she of the "dog star".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUWcEhETsFo

>>40677799

>Of which, Jewish plans are completely irrelevant in terms of my own worth.... which is determined by my own actions; the scales of the Gods themselves weighing my actions against the best of which I can possibly strive for.....

Of that which I can control; I shall be weighed.... of my own worth.

>>40673120 (OP)
Masons were completely subverted by Zionists by the start of the 20th century. They’re all pathetic faggots now.

>>40679718

Why the fuck would you listen to the Scottish or York rite; when it's literally the symbol of the Free Masons and the 3rd degree?

>>40673142
>This all seems to be way overstated. They probably control significantly less than you assume.
lel

>>40679718
>>40682072

>https://scottishrite.org/scottish-rite-myths-and-facts/eye-in-the-pyramid/

Technically correct; as it's a symbol of the FREE and ACCEPTED Masons of the United States of America.

>>40682081

Anyone can build a small pyramid; just as Nicholas Cage. It's different when you put it on the money in the name of the Gods and Freedom of Religion.

>Mr. Money eye, providence; more than happy to provide and be the middle man for the Gods.

>>40682102
>pure coincidence

>>40673216
Amen, death to the devils. The Lord will sit in his almighty throne. There campaign against god and his existence is telling even now

>>40680562
>>40680658
>>40680742

What's the "joke" with AI, "drone" pilots; and Evangelions anons?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvXkJwXILlk

>A dummy system (ダミーシステム) is an artificial pilot system for the Evangelion Units. It can be made to take over control of the Eva from the pilot, as in Episode 18, or it can work with a dummy plug (ダミープラグ), an altered entry plug which is red instead of white, as with the Mass Production Evangelions. The dummy plugs contain the personality data of either Rei Ayanami or Kaworu Nagisa and are designed to "trick" an Evangelion into thinking that it is synchronizing with a real pilot by mimicking the pilot's thought patterns.

>Shinji....the coward who forces himself to fight.

>>40682102
Horus is essentially Hercules (Melkart, also known as Dionysus, Tammuz, Adad, Marduk, etc.) and the Eye of Providence = the Eye of Horus.

>>40682072
It's not a Masonic symbol at all. I just linked to a readily available reference page.
https://www.greatseal.com/mythamerica/notmasonic.html
https://www.reddit.com/r/freemasonry/comments/zvvq9l/the_all_seeing_eye_in_the_pyramid/
https://www.reddit.com/r/freemasonry/comments/zvvq9l/the_all_seeing_eye_in_the_pyramid/
https://blog.freemason.org/2025/02/14/freemasonry-symbols/
https://grandlodgeofiowa.org/docs/Symbolism/EyeinthePyramid.pdf

If you're going to be a dick, be right about the thing you're being a dick about.
I am a Mason, by the way.

>>40682072
It's not a Masonic symbol at all. I just linked to a readily available reference page. All members of the Scottish Rite and York Rite are Masons.
https://www.greatseal.com/mythamerica/notmasonic.html
https://www.reddit.com/r/freemasonry/comments/zvvq9l/the_all_seeing_eye_in_the_pyramid/
https://themasonicblog.blogspot.com/2009/09/is-pyramid-masonic-symbol.html
https://blog.freemason.org/2025/02/14/freemasonry-symbols/
https://grandlodgeofiowa.org/docs/Symbolism/EyeinthePyramid.pdf

If you're going to be rude, make sure you are correct about the thing you're being rude about.
I am a Mason, by the way.
At any rate, the Eye in the Pyramid (or even a Pyramid by itself) is not a symbol of Freemasonry at all.

>>40682102
You sure that's Masonic though?

https://www.greatseal.com/mythamerica/notmasonic.html
https://www.reddit.com/r/freemasonry/comments/zvvq9l/the_all_seeing_eye_in_the_pyramid/
https://themasonicblog.blogspot.com/2009/09/is-pyramid-masonic-symbol.html
https://blog.freemason.org/2025/02/14/freemasonry-symbols/
https://grandlodgeofiowa.org/docs/Symbolism/EyeinthePyramid.pdf

And before you say those links are lying... why would Masons, who are generally proud of our symbols, lie about something not being one? Particularly the one that so many assume is one of our main ones?
Like I've said throughout this thread, people build Masonry into this giant thing it isn't and so much of it is rooted in baseless speculation, not facts.
You can contact your local lodge. You can talk to actual Masons. They'll answer a lot of your questions. There are also tons of websites run by actual Masons; don't just rely on conspiracy websites.

>>40673142
>>40673174
>>40673475
>t. masons

>>40682287

Those are all different beings.

>>40683816
Masons admit we're Masons.
I'm a Mason, for example. I've been active throughout this thread.

>>40682307
>>40682352

The point of the eye of the Pyramid is the USA, our sacred Star Republic; lined with the stars and sacred names of antiquity, is claiming Eygpt's heritage as our inheritance as the New Atlantis. It belongs to US; not the tyrants and aristocrats of the rest of the world.

>That's correct, the USA planted it's flag as the legitimate and only heritor state in the world.... of Egypt, and it's magics and spells, due to prophecy.

GOD, of course, being plural; and trust referring to a collection/collusion of interested deities in whom we "Trust" within; with the "eye of providence" more than happy to serve as intermediary; thus saving us the conversation on which deity is "on top of the pyramid", with it's unplaced capstone.

>>40683891
My only point was that it's not a Masonic symbol and Freemasons don't claim it as such.
The Eye of Providence, maybe, but Masons use a different form, which traditionally is not encased in a triangle (but can be).
In Masonic usage, it represents that God watches all we do, both in public as well as secret.

>>40682307

Only Atlantis is older; as the symbols of Free Masonry go, and I specifically say "FREE Mason", and not "Mason" in regards to such, as Athena is on the record, as fact, as the Goddess, of the Age of Virgo, on the cusp with Libra, as waging war upon the slavers of Atlantis, liberating the slaves; and outlawing slavery.

The Pyramids themselves, most espically in regards to the Dollar Bill, are; most espically in the context of "The Bible", and Amen Re, with the Temple of Karnak literally being the same as the opening of "The Bible" as Genisis; being a manifestation of the principle listed in the Declaration of Independence; namely that we are endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights; namely life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness..... thus both Karnak, and the sacred alignment of the stars with the Nile; and certain sites in the USA, are part of the same principle of FREE Masons aligning Earth with the work of our Creator, who wanted mankind to be..... FREE.

Thus yes; the Pyramids of Giza, are the 2nd oldest symbol of the FREE Masons; any group not utilizing such an auspicious and important title, yet referring to themselves as "Masons" are completely unimportant and irrelevant to "Free Masons" of the USA, the only type of Mason worthy of respect, on a metaphysical and philosophical level.

>>40683916

Well, I've corrected your ignorance, Mason. Consider yourself better informed now.

>>40683932
>>40683937
Ah.
Then you are talking about something completely distinct and different from what most people are referring to when they talk about Freemasons and Freemasonry as an institution.

>>40683916

To be clear; it is not a "Masonic symbol". It is a Symbol of "The Free and Accepted Masons of the United States of America". The only group of Masons who are the legitimate heiritors of Egypt; in terms of prophecy.

Not the Grand Lodge of England
Not the French Masons
Not the Masons of Russia
Not the Aussie Masons

The Free and Accepted Masons of the United States of America.

>>40683942

I'm referring to the Truth, in terms of Metaphysics and Philosophy; as to what the United States of America is, and if the "Free and Accepted Masons of the United States of America" want to continue to serve as the foundation and bedrock of said Republic, and it's principles, then they had better realize it; and quickly.

>>40683948
Which, again, is not what most people are talking about when they are talking about Freemasonry, the World Wide fraternity that dates itself to the Medieval stone guilds and later to the founding of the United Grand Lodge of England, which has an estimated 5 million members world wide, and which seems to get blamed for everything around this board with out-of-context pictures of our events and monuments along with all sorts of schizo theories claiming we're responsible for everything wrong in the world..
Thank you for clearing that up.

>>40683955
Freemasonry isn't a spiritual current.
It's a fraternity. With an active organization.
You're not born a Mason in your soul. You become a Mason by being initiated, passed, and raised in a Recognized and Regular Lodge of Master Masons that operates in accordance with the Ancient Landmarks.
It's not hard to become a Mason, but anyone else is a cowan.

You guys don't know shit. You're born into the masons or you're not. No one's gonna tell you to do crime either, it's just a cultural thing. Masons invented the west as we know it, they're batshit crazy and don't give a fuck about laws. If you don't have both sides of your family as 33rd, I doubt you're ever gonna do anything significant. If you do, then the only doors that open are knowing some of the symbolism. It's just a large ass group of families that have usually been in the same area for centuries

>>40683962

>World wide fraternity
>Implying the US "Free and Accepted Masons" wouldn't have Nuked the Soviet "Masons" to keep our citizens from being worked to death in Sibertian "labor" Camps

Internationalist Free Masonry is a joke; which is why I specified.

>>40683962
>>40683972

I'm talking about the actual secret religion of the Masons which has existed since antiquity; and which many "Masons" and "Free and Accepted Masons" are ignorant of.

Consider yourselves better informed with this gift of "More Light".

>>40684002
>I'm talking about the actual secret religion of the Masons which has existed since antiquity; and which many "Masons" and "Free and Accepted Masons" are ignorant of.
This is dumb. Most masons are gonna have multiple personality altars with different spiritual beliefs, and the main religion behind free masons isn't gonna get taught over dinner, maybe it never will be discussed by most masonic families. They don't even know they're masons usually.

Fun fact: the triads religion is just freemasonism taught in mandarin chinese

>>40673120 (OP)
>be bored
>decide to check up.on /x/ for the first time in a few years
>first thread is freemasons
I came here to escape reality with some creepypastas, not be reminded were still waiting on the second coming of Christ to dismantle the establishment geez. Thats you answer btw, Christianity is the only world religion to name the Jew, so logically... yeah.

>>40683998
You're not born a Mason.
You become a Mason. And any man of lawful age who believes in God can petition to join. I did. It wasn't hard. I didn't grow up around it.
Look up your local grand lodge and see for yourself.
https://www.ugle.org.uk/about-us/foreign-grand-lodges

>>40684002
I mean this most respectfully, but do not presume to lecture me about Freemasonry. You are not a Mason. What you are talking about bears nothing to do with Freemasonry.
It is nice that you have your own little beliefs that you've put together and which guide you through this world but they have no resemblance to Freemasonry whatsoever.
You are not a Mason. Maybe you can become one some day but you are not one now.

>>40684008
>They don't even know they're masons usually.
Sure we do; our lodges gladly remind us of that every year when the Secretary comes calling for annual dues

>>40684029
No, that's retard bait. You can join that way, but it's like starting at level one. Maybe your kid's kids would do something neat.

>>40684039
Imagine paying

>>40684045
You're not a Mason and know nothing of Masonry apart from what you think you've put together in your head.
What I stated is exactly how it works because if you're not talking about what I'm talking about then you're not talking about Freemasonry.

What you gotta do, is just donate to the restaurants next to the free Mason lodges. Fuck going to the lodges, just tip x5 more than any of the congregates. Seriously, it's that easy. It's funny also, it makes them paranoid. But it's that easy to befriend masons, just tip server people at their front restaurants that usually have passable food.

>>40684055
I have 33rds on both sides, I know more than you do. This is shit you're born into. I doubt you even know the true hallmark qualities to raise a mason. Going to a lodge is for fucking retards in the internet era

>>40684063
>I know more than you do.
No you don't.
Because you're not a Mason. And if you actually had 33rds on both sides, you wouldn't be spouting the bullshit you're spouting because it is very much incorrect.

>>40684070
Yeah okay faggot there's not even an argument in that sentence. Masons are gay as fuck you shouldn't like them. I bet you never even had to befriend and eat and animal

>>40684076
Troll elsewhere.

>>40684082
I'm not trolling. That's part of induction. You have to befriend a farm animal then eat it and get laughed at. What's your angle here?

>>40684086
The alternative route to this is someone just kills your pet dog or something brutally. Depends on your living situation as a kid. If you're a Masonic bloodline then some of the real masons watch you like pawns from birth. You know nothing joining a lodge with the town alcoholics but the gossip of townie alcoholics.

Retard faggot lodge larpers don't know shit about the real masonic practices which is triggering people in multiple altar states for different purposes to ensure survival

They won't teach you that at a lodge, they'll just gangstalk your kids. You're fucking with bad people with the masons man. Quit riding the dick, you're not in the club. It's a shitty club anyway.

>>40673120 (OP)
>goy scouts
>powerful

say what you will about the jews masturbation run
If you want to call someone racking up debt on a charge card rich goahead.
Albeit, truth > lies.
And the truth of inheritance will be settled in the end when all abide in the truth.

If you gotta join a lodge to get recognition in that community, it means you sloppy! It means you don't do much interesting in life, and now you're a multi generational mark. And you pay for the experience. Ask me more about freemasonism. Or you could ask the drunk asses at the lodge who don't know shit either. Some of them might, but why the fuck would they even tell you? The most prominent and succesful masons don't go to lodges, they might get invited but they got things to build. That's the whole point, you're supposed to build, not sit around and drink in lodges.

Btw despite my criticisms of freemasons, there are even worse groups out there (albeit, less than you'd think). Also they're underground in the usa for like 400 years
Most of the lodges predate the country.

Ahh!!! There's a freemason in my isps!!! Ahhh!!! They're reading the data packets!!! Damnit solomon, whyd you have to put on the ring??

A Mason is only a Mason through his Obligation, which is taken in a Lodge of Masons. His oath that he swears before God.
Part of that Obligation is to attend lodge if it is within the length of his cable tow (his abilities).
Anyone who thinks a Mason can be a Mason without ever stepping foot in a lodge knows nothing about Masonry and is a cowan.

>>40684153
Nah you don't know shit faggot, you're a retard paying alcoholics. Go fuck off and be insignificant at a club reciting poems retard, be happy you weren't born into it. Now your grandkids can end up like me.

>>40673120 (OP)
>How do you defeat this thing?
You dont, they're worse than jews and blame the jews for everything

Any black freemasons here? Looking for some brothas I met down at da lodge! >>40684153
Sho nuff dats right, black Mason here. What he's saying is completely right. I say this as a black freemason

>>40684029
How does Masonry fit into the Papal nobility the Black nobility etc?

>>40684472
You're not going to believe this but it doesn't.

>>40679635
So how do you explain the pyramid with a masonic logo next to the building?

>>40684808
It's not next to the building - that's a monument in Eilat, Israel, which, according to the placard, was donated by a local lodge.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Israel/comments/hdlyo2/the_freemasons_circle_solomons_pillars_lodge_no/

(Eilat is on the Southern Tip of Israel:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eilat )

>>40684808
>>40684826
(I'm only going by what I could find of the pyramid online. I found a picture on X - although it looks different on the page I linked, the second pic on the X link says it's Eilat:
https://x.com/antonnewcombe/status/759682485508767748/photo/1 )

>>40673120 (OP)
>the most powerful crime mafia in the world
>doesn't post the powerful crime mafia in the world
one job, OP
one fucking job

>>40684002
>Soviet Masons

Oh dear!

>>40673177
Joining the masons was one of the worst decisions i have made. Ever since i joined, and especially since i left, life has sucked and people moniter me. George washington's apron is in the oldest lodge west of the allegheny mountains

>>40673436
They have something called the Worshipful Master. That's turbo gay.

>>40688289
>Ever since i joined, and especially since i left, life has sucked and people moniter me.
This didn't happen. Why do you people feel the need to make stuff up?
I left. Life is fine. No one monitors or bothers me.
Leaving is easy and no one cares apart from the fact that someone they considered a brother no longer comes around. It's called a "demit" - you submit a request in writing stating that you want to leave, the lodge votes to accept your request, and you're no longer a part of that lodge. Feelings are sometimes hurt but life goes on because a big part of being a Mason is that you association with the fraternity is of your own free will and accord.
There's nothing punitive involved - Masons who demit sometimes change their minds years later and the lodge just votes to let them back in after they petition to do so.

>>40683852
you admit it when it suits you
those are obvious masons

>>40688388
It's just a centuries old title for the head of a lodge.
That's just the type of language people used years ago. If that's your nitpick then you're looking for stuff to bash.
It's an elected position that serves for a year (it's usually the Senior Warden from the prior year). No one "worships" him.

>>40688399
You couldn't argue in good faith if your life depended on it.
Always a reason to retain your bigotry against those you've decided to hate, regardless of whether they've actually done anything to deserve it.
God will judge you one day with the same measure you judged others.

>>40688406
>God will judge you one day with the same measure you judged others.
this is the language satanists and assholes use as they abuse you

>>40688409
>Judge not, that ye be not judged.
>For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
>Matthew 7:1-2

>>40679493
Try joining a lodge, they aren't exclusive as long as you're a guy, at least in Britain. And there are female ones, too.
Otherwise, stop talking out of ur ass.

>>40688471
They're not particularly exclusive here in the US either.
Hell, they let me in, can't be too picky if they did that.

so much for their valuable teachings that make good men better

>>40688490
No one says Masonry makes men perfect, anon.
We all still have our struggles in life.
You might want to focus more on reading Scripture than bashing Masons.
>And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
>Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
>Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
>Matthew 7:3-5

william hale was a 32nd degree freemason
he was convicted for the murders of osage indians
they made a movie about it called 'killers of the flower moon' and the producers wife, isabelle thomas, mother of two, suddenly decided to kill herself by jumping off a balcony

>>40688503
just bad apples they be sayin

>>40688503
Again, no one said Masonry makes men perfect. Or that bad men can't find their way in. It's a human fraternity made up of human beings.
It's not like we can see into people's auras before we let them join. We do our best.
You are grasping for whatever you can find to bash us. But again, God watches you and judges. (>>40688447)
I would not want to be in your shoes after blaspheming the Lord, btw. >>40688409

fernando collor, freemason and 32nd president of brazil, impeached in 1992

after his impeachment a lot of the people who actively helped impeach him died or suffered some type of tragedy

he was accused of practicing black magic

>>40688517
Ah. So you're going to just keep going. Despite, again, that bad men are in every institution, even in the churches of God.
You do not operate in good faith. And God watches what you do.

>>40688517
is that a glass eye on his left?

>>40688517
Also, do you have proof that this man was a Freemason or are you just pulling it out your backside because "bad powerful man must be Freemason"?

>>40688490
All the Jews do

>>40684029
>You are not a Mason.

Pretty sure I still have my card, from Texas, saying I'm a Master Mason; anon.

>>40688596
If you're saying stuff like this:
>Internationalist Free Masonry is a joke; which is why I specified.
>I'm talking about the actual secret religion of the Masons which has existed since antiquity; and which many "Masons" and "Free and Accepted Masons" are ignorant of.
>Consider yourselves better informed with this gift of "More Light".
I assure you, you are not a Mason and no Mason initiated, passed, and raised in a Regular and Well-Governed Lodge would recognize you as such.
Masonry is not a religion, nor does it have one.

>>40688673

Obviously I worship a different Supreme Architect; and the person presuming to say that I can't believe such things, as a Master Mason, is simply wrong.

>>40688700
Masonry doesn't work like that.
You're a larping cowan.

>>40688700
I'll add that no Mason would dishonor the Craft by misrepresenting it in the way you are, nor would a Mason talk down to a Brother Mason trying to represent the Craft in good faith in the manner which you did.

>>40688705
>>40684029
>>40683948
>>40683932
>>40683891

Sure it does; the secrets of the secret religion of the Free Masons, isn't known to all Masons. I assure you however, that what I've said is 100% true.

If you don't believe me; try me.

>>40688705
>>40688723


>Calls me a Cowhand.

Ignorance must always be reprimanded and corrected, Mason; I've gifted you with more light, and you spurn it in the name of Ignorance and Platitude.

>>40688705

>"Free and Accepted Masons of the United States don't actually stand for any values"

-Retarded "Masons"

>>40688737
A Mason would never ask to be tried in public forum.
And even if there were truth to your claims, which there isn't - why would such secrets that are so closely guarded that even the vast majority of Masons with years of experience have never heard of them ever be revealed to someone as loose-lipped as you?
If you're going to troll, at least make sense.
You are not a Mason. We can't always tell who is one online, but I can assure you we have ways of telling who isn't.
You've already been tried numerous times, btw.

>>40688760

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbbxQqKXUIk

>>40688765

>Jews and their traditions

For anyone lurking:
This is what the most virulent anti-Masons do.
They engage in bad faith arguments and misrepresentations to bully and wear down those who would defend the target of their attacks.
The idea is to run defenders off. Then, once those defenders are gone, they flood the space with even more lies and misrepresentations, the ones that would easily be countered if defenders stuck around.
Don't fall for it.

what a shitty larp

anything they teach can be learnt without oaths on your life
but maybe that is your definiton of free

>>40688841
The point is that Masons don't even teach these things.
But you are absolutely correct that the stuff people presume Masons teach can absolutely be learned without oaths of any kind.

>>40688847

>>40688490
never do things you have to lie about

>>40688841
the deception is already in their name

>>40688884
>oh no he took a handmade Masonic flag with him into space... that heckin' proves everything!

>>40688929
they have claimed "terriotial jurisdiction" on the moon
which is illegal due to the outer space treaty of 1967

>>40688971
>terriotial
territorial*

>>40688971
but since there have been no legal repercussions it means that it was merely symbolic just like the moon landing itself

>>40673120 (OP)
>How do you defeat this thing?
You spiritually ascend in such a way as to develop and exercise your personal power in such a way that you don't have to rely on any of the corrupt systems others have created as a basis for your own existence and evolution. They basically built the matrix, so to defeat them you stop being dependent upon it. They seem to have power, but you have free will in the present, there is no institutional or established power capable of real time response and suppression of the soul. They can only come up with counter strategies after you lay your cards out. Keep your cards hidden, and play them out at the moment you can use them to most effect. That is how you change reality in such a way as to keep the powers that be from interfering or stopping it.

>>40688971
It's a lodge claiming Masonic jurisdiction authority over the moon within Masonry.
It's really not anything that applies outside of Masonry and is a joke more than anything else. Masonic jurisdiction doesn't apply outside Masonry.

>>40688971
It's a lodge claiming Masonic jurisdiction authority over the moon within Masonry.
It's really not anything that applies outside of Masonry, as Masonic jurisdiction doesn't apply outside Masonry.

>>40673139
I

>>40689033
T

>>40688971
>>40689032
It's basically just the Grand Lodge of Texas waiving its dick around saying that any lodges on the moon are under its jurisdiction because it was there first.
It doesn't mean anyone necessarily has to take that seriously. And, as said in the other post, it doesn't apply to anything outside Masonry.

>>40689038
L

>>40689048
E

>>40689052
R

>>40688393
Sure man, it can never happen cause it didnt happen to you. Most of the police were masons in that town, they followed meto work and back, sat outside my house every night, and tried to arrest me for fucking a minor among other things

>>40689207
My apologies, I just didn't find it believable because, from my experience, most in the fraternity are fine if someone no longer wants to associate with it, given that association should be of one's own free will and accord.
But maybe it's different in the town where you live, in which case you really do have my sympathy. But I don't think that's representative of Masonry in most places and it's a shame those people cannot be brought up on Masonic charges for their behavior.
God bless you in your struggles.

>>40689058
Itler?

>>40691511
He obviously meant ILER, as in Robert Iler who played AJ in the Sopranos.
Must have put the T in there by mistake.

>>40673120 (OP)
The last words of King David tell you how they will be defeated

>>40673120 (OP)
Does the G stand for good?

Also, how can you build rocks together somewhere that a government won't stop you from making something cool for people?

>>40692080
https://museumfreemasonry.org.uk/blog/learn-about-freemasonry-what-does-g-stand

>>40673120 (OP)
>be Israel, pic unrelated

>>40692166
Bingo.
Mason-bashing is really just a cover because people couldn't bash jews publicly for the longest time.

>>40689307
People larp a lot online so understandable disbelief. Thank you, and God bless you as well brother.

>>40673120 (OP)
>How do you defeat this thing?
Ban usury and circumcision

>>40692253
Yeah, it's frustrating and tough to separate the chaff from weeds. Thanks for understanding.
But you do seem sincere to me, fwiw. I really do hope things get better for you.

>>40673120 (OP)
The assassin's in the Ubisoft games defeated them across time apparently. Need to to contact the assassin's to defeat the other illuminati lol.

>>40692414
Masons aren't Illuminati though, the Illuminati were a group founded in Bavaria that tried to infiltrate the Masons but got disbanded after lightning struck a messenger carrying a letter that revealed the whole thing to the government

>>40676349
Unironically this is correct.

>>40692325
This happened over a decade ago. Living decent now in rural america.
What do you think of rosicrucians btw? I was interested in them around the time i was sponsored but never pursued.

>>40692308
>ban circumcision
Iceland

>>40692519
That really sucks. I think the fraternity is in bad shape and that people honestly get their feelings hurt when people leave be because they're increasingly desperate for membership. It's why I find it sort of funny that people think they run things. Not that I doubt that they *do* run things in some places; sounds like they did where you're from.
Rosicrucianism is interesting! There are a bunch of different groups though. AMORC is obviously the biggest - I hear the lodges are better quality than the correspondence course but I don't have much experience with it (although I have signed up off and on to receive them). I find the Confraternity of the Rose Cross (CR+C) a bit more interesting- it was founded by a former Imperator of AMORC after an ugly incident where he was accused of embezzlement and left (seemed to be innocent from what I read but who knows).
Slightly related, I've done stuff with Builders Of The Adytum (BOTA) and advocate pretty strongly for them. That's a good study course and they have meetings in places too.

>>40692519
What I'll add about AMORC is that although I don't find its historical claims very convincing, I also don't think that matters much. Mystical orders often (falsely) claim ancient lineages, it just goes with the territory.
What matters is the fruits, and people claim to get a lot out if it.

>>40692561
Thank you for the effort. Spoonfeed me a little on the Builders Of The Adytum. Ive never heard of them. I just want to study old mythology and be around relatively like minded people.

>>40692599
I agree. In my experience ive had better luck learning on my own.

>>40692635
It's a group founded by Paul Foster Case. They charge around $15 a month and send you four lessons a month to study, and you can come and go as you like without anyone bothering you about it from my experience.
It's not historical so much as it has some of the best in-depth tarot lessons I've ever seen - not for fortune telling but rather regarding the actual symbolism and system behind it and using it as a tool for personal development.
The website seems a bit iffy (it's older) but I've never heard bad things about the organization.
https://www.bota.org

Worth checking out if it sounds up your alley.

zamn the mason fag in this wretched thread got absolutely shit on lol. big L for the stone fags but hey what do you expect from the boy briding homos haha

>>40692924
yo mamma got shit on after a gang of big black bucks ran a train on her playa

there are no masons left anymore, for at least the last 250 years
whats left is the discount version, the watered down, for the profane masses made up version, hastily cobbled together out of their despair and own ignobel, arrogant mistakes from the past.
they lost huge parts of their powers and created their own downwards spiral through sheer mismanagement and incompetence
what a pity, for them, indeed.

>>40693707
No, the old masons were saved. However, they are called Mormons now.

>>40692477
>be ""illumined"" ones
>be struck down by Zeus

The true ideal Deity, the one living God in Nature, can never suffer in man’s worship if that outward cloak, woven by man’s fancy, and thrown upon the Deity by the crafty hand of the priest greedy of power and domination, is drawn aside. The hour has struck to dethrone the “highest God” of every nation in favour of One Universal Deity — the God of Immutable Law, not charity; the God of Just Retribution, not mercy, which is merely an incentive to evil-doing and to a repetition of it.

>>40693996
and forthwith light Ethereal, first of things, quintessence pure, Sprung from the deep, and from her native east

>>40673120 (OP)
I was in them for a bit, was a bunch of fat old men complaining about their health problems and wives. I left because it was gay as fuck.

https://youtu.be/7EdSQgsK0Xo

>>40673332
Well, its only logical. What better place to recruit acolytes than in the high ranks of mind rape cults?

bump

>>40673177
>Crime mafias and secret societies don't operate this openly.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

>>40688393
>Look guise I was a irrelevant member of an irrelevant lodge
>therefore freemansory good ok?

this is a pretty based thread

>>40673120 (OP)
Nobody does anything so nothing happens.
If you started blowing up cars and killing people you would find that they're a lot less powerful than you thought.

>>40695129
>I left because it was gay as fuck.
based, same