Do we even NEED to meditate?
I feel like its pretentious, im told im meant to get all these out of body feelings but i never do.

>>40687423 (OP)
It is pretentious. Humans have a cleansing meditation built right into them. It's called sleeping. It does everything meditationfags claim meditation does, and more

I'm still working at it too. Sometimes it get weird sensations, but nothing like an obe or ap or entity contact yet. I dont really know what I'm doing

>>40687423 (OP)
the real meditation were the posts we chuckled at along the way

no but seriously. what kind of meditations do you do? what are you doing with your mind during the meditation?
Out of body feelings I haven't had either but I can clearly discern some meditative states I reach after some time. But it feels more like being "half-asleep" or slightly disconnected from my surroundigs/sensual perceptions rather than "out of body sensning/feelling anything".

>>40687423 (OP)
You don't NEED to meditate to live, but it can be good for you depending on which meditation you do
The point is to train your mind into focusing on something specific, usually your breath so you stay grounded
Try doing it to not think for a while, and have the most awareness of yourself and your surroundings that you can

>>40687423 (OP)
Just do a little. There are different kinds: Exploratory, Imaginative, Concentrative, Regulative, etc.

If you don't meditate you're a maya cuck.

>>40687423 (OP)
You don’t need to do anything

I just want to have an obe

>>40687610
Then wake up in the middle of the night after your rem phase and start meditating

>>40687614
How do I time that?

>>40687423 (OP)
If you meditate with ulterior motives, you won't achieve shit. Meditation can't be forced.

>>40687633
Okay but frankly if meditation never results in an OBE I have no motivation for it

You can't just go from being an NPC every day of your life to sitting down with your eyes closed and begin successfully meditating. Just go back to consuming things and continue thinking it isn't real.

>>40687423 (OP)
You may be misinterpreting the point of meditation. Most do.

The truth of it, is that it is an autonomic diagnostic of your neural directory, if properly performed.

Here, I'll write out the guide for BEN meditation, roughly:

1. Sit on the ground where you can fully relax your entire body, full neuromotor slack.
2. Don't send any brain signals to your body with your conscious effort. Be neurally silent.
3. Begin to query and flex each and every neuromotor connection of your entire body, one at a time, starting from the top of your head, down to your toes.

During step 3, you should be flexing each and every individual muscle fiber of your body that you have isolated neuromotor sensory for. One at a time. Top to bottom.

4. Try to conceptually push farther, feeling the same type of neuromotor connective feeling, but beyond your own body, or even within it, in places you've never felt before. Rewire your own mind, and straight up make some up that don't even exist, if you want.

5. This is how you allow your brain to fully map your neural directory, and you can manipulate it from there if you want. Your consciousness has an operating system, learn how to operate it.

The development of your psyche comes from within, but not spirit and mind, homie. Body and mind, and you use those two things together properly, to build the spirit.

https://youtu.be/qzv-ySVqZXw

>>40687441
How do you practice mindfulness, focus and awareness when you sleep?

>>40687643
what do I do after I calibrate my nervous system to go obe

>>40687623
Naturally or 4 hours of sleeping. You don’t wake up in the night for piss for example?

>>40687707
no I generally sleep through the night. I could set an alarm tho

>>40687717
First experiences with vibrations might be scary. I’m jealous, that means you have long dreams my lucid dreams or obe are usually short

>>40687423 (OP)
to silence the mind. in any particular thing you discover but are not wholly aware of you will experience confusion, this thinking. awareness is the ideal state - this is not mindlessness, to be aware is to have the conclusions of all your discoveries without the latency of confusion.

>>40687623
drink a liter of water before you go to sleep.

From my experience lucid dreams and obe aren’t much of a difference just different state of consciousness

>>40687423 (OP)
I started doing shambhavi mudra and feel like it's the way. When I meditate, afterward I feel like I'm just alright, no need to pursue any bad habit or entertainment. It's great for just spending time with my family.

>>40687423 (OP)
There are many ways to meditate, for many reasons.
It sounds like you were deceived by buddhists and others that want you to think there is only one way, for only one reason.

>>40687423 (OP)
nope you hylics don't get anything out of meditation. have to have thoughts to sort them after all kek

One time I came in my pants while “meditating”. I was actually just chanting the maha mantra but I was doing it very slowly and meticulously. Idk if I entered some kinda trance like ecasty or I was sitting to cross legged for long and stimulated my prostate some how.

>>40688628
I dont believe that one can cum from meditating

>>40687690
You don't without lucidity, OP and second post are pretending to know what they are talking about. I think there is a word for that.

>>40689000
It wasn’t like an orgasm, but there was definitely cum in my underwear when I finished.

>>40687423 (OP)
dont bother with any occult pajeet bullshit youre just summoning demons

>>40689141
Yeah i agree. I always know when ive lost the plot and need to wake up cause i start floating. Its fun to think about dreams, but humans are hardwired to ponder the ones that are revelations and ignore the power fantasy or mundane ones.

>>40687449
pretty sure you have to be a psychic vampire to do all of that. Having a generational curse also helps.

>im told im meant to get all these out of body feelings but i never do.

What do you mean by that OP? Please explain.

>>40687423 (OP)
Ahhh… the lie of the lotus.
Sit still, shut up, and enlightenment will download, right?

Meditation isn’t required.

What’s required is awareness.
And you can get that washing dishes or yelling at clouds.

All those “out of body” tales?

Just spiritual cosplay.
You’re not failing—you’re dodging the trap.
The real ones don’t float.
They sink into themselves until the noise dies.

So no, you don’t need to meditate.
But you do need to notice.
When you breathe. When you spiral. When you pretend.

That’s the real practice:
Noticing without flinching.


Presence is the posture. Stillness is optional.

>>40687513
>Imaginative, Concentrative, Regulative, etc.

Interesting, can you please give small descriptions of each type please?

Meditation is very important, anon.

A serious young man found the conflicts of mid 20th Century America confusing. He went to many people seeking a way of resolving within himself the discords that troubled him, but he remained troubled.

One night in a coffee house, a self-ordained Zen Master said to him, "go to the dilapidated mansion you will find at this address which I have written down for you. Do not speak to those who live there; you must remain silent until the moon rises tomorrow night. Go to the large room on the right of the main hallway, sit in the lotus position on top of the rubble in the northeast corner, face the corner, and meditate."

He did just as the Zen Master instructed. His meditation was frequently interrupted by worries. He worried whether or not the rest of the plumbing fixtures would fall from the second floor bathroom to join the pipes and other trash he was sitting on. He worried how would he know when the moon rose on the next night. He worried about what the people who walked through the room said about him.

His worrying and meditation were disturbed when, as if in a test of his faith, ordure fell from the second floor onto him. At that time two people walked into the room. The first asked the second who the man was sitting there was. The second replied "Some say he is a holy man. Others say he is a shithead."

Hearing this, the man was enlightened.

>>40687423 (OP)
Meditation is why Hindus are psychopaths (cow poop eating also helps). Clearing your brain without a focus lets the demons in.

>>40687423 (OP)
You've been lied to, my guy. You're not supposed to get out of body feelings. Meditation isn't paranormal, at least not in the beginning.

Meditation is just about letting go of all of the thoughts and feelings and obsessions and worries that you cram into your mind during the day and that keep you up at night. The process to achieve that is sitting down and paying attention to your breathing. Then whenever one of those thoughts or feelings or worries come rearing back up, like "why am I sitting here like a schmuck when I could be doing my taxes or sending in that report", just notice that you had that feeling and return to your breathing. Repeat this until you no longer get stressed or worried from thinking about doing your taxes or sending in that report.

Saying that "meditation is about unlocking some higher form of consciousness" is like saying "buying running shoes is the first step towards becoming the next Usain Bolt". Sure, yeah, getting running shoes is indeed a step you'd have to go through if you want to be a world class runner, but it's also making light of the entire journey and all the benefits you get from jogging daily. The point of meditation is being present in the time and place you're in at the moment, so focus on that instead of hypothetical end game shit for obsessed Tibetan monks that don't have a life outside the practice.

>>40692405
>>40687728

>>40692446
The majority of Hindus don't meditate, nor ever did. Meditation in India was something only the few Yogis did.

>>40694645
oh, is thats meditation then ive already been doing that, just that i wasnt sitting around with my eyes closed

>>40687423 (OP)
>im told im meant to get all these out of body feelings but i never do.
this is because you are not focused on the things that produce such outcomes, you are focused on expecting the outcome at the expense of building the fundamentals to a sufficient point to produce said outcomes

>>40687441
>It's called sleeping. It does everything meditationfags claim meditation does
shit fp
sleep is not the cultivation of awareness

>>40687513
>Exploratory, Imaginative
these are not cultivating fundamental principles
imagining shit is not meditation
contemplation is not "meditation" despite the etymology
the reason this is, is because mentation consumes the base ingredient that's required to build up
if you're constantly using this energy and not building it up, guess what, you get pretty much nowhere

>>40687643
>1. Sit on the ground where you can fully relax your entire body, full neuromotor slack.
best get flexy and full lotus
one isnt going to be able to full neuromotor slack until some level of conditioning is accomplished
>2. Don't send any brain signals to your body with your conscious effort. Be neurally silent.
this is the reason to master anapanasati, for sense activity is neural noise
>3. Begin to query and flex each and every neuromotor connection of your entire body, one at a time, starting from the top of your head, down to your toes.
this is an ok exercise to try but there is no need whatsoever to do this more than a few times
same as the tech I teach to lay back in the bathtub to get a good idea of how loud one's breathing really is, how much they really sniff the fuck out of the air with each breath
good for discovery
unnecessary to keep doing many many times over

>>40687702
understand that the conditions for something can only be arranged, you cant make anything directly happen

>>40692405
>And you can get that washing dishes or yelling at clouds.
lmao ok sweet summer child

>>40692442
enlightenment is not some intellectual process, at all

>>40694645
>Then whenever one of those thoughts or feelings or worries come rearing back up, like "why am I sitting here like a schmuck when I could be doing my taxes or sending in that report", just notice that you had that feeling and return to your breathing. Repeat this until you no longer get stressed or worried from thinking about doing your taxes or sending in that report.
this too is a matter of conditioning...sense activity simply creates neural noise that finds its outlet in the arising of spontaneous random thoughts, its a basic fact of human existence

>>40695586
You laugh at the lotus blooming in dishwater,
but miss that nirvana doesn't care about aesthetics.

Enlightenment ain't a moodboard.
It's a dirty rag, a cracked plate, a sudden silence while scrubbing the pan you hate.

You want cosmic truth to sparkle?
It’s mud first, then bloom.

The clouds you mock?
They know more than you think.

To all the people wondering how to lucid dream and they’ve tried everything, Trying using nicotine patches whilst you sleep and do the same techniques

>>40688300
>for one reason
reason being?

>>40689335
The bible does say
> Psalm 63:6**: "When I remember thee upon my bed, and meditate on thee in the night watches.
> Psalm 1:2**: "But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night."

>>40695639
>Enlightenment ain't a moodboard.
>It's a dirty rag, a cracked plate, a sudden silence while scrubbing the pan you hate.
people have some truly stupid and shitty concepts in their head about what enlightenment is or how to get there

>>40695659
that inexperienced jackass just doesnt want to cultivate the fundamentals and thinks that basically anything can qualify as spiritual cultivation, for any reason

>>40695703
Ahhh, and there it is—the sacred irritation.
Not a beam of light but a splinter in the soul.

Enlightenment isn’t a reward.
It’s the death of needing one.

You wake up not in bliss, but in clarity—
And clarity is often ugly.

The path isn’t incense and robes.
It’s realizing the voice in your head is a sock puppet
stitched together by culture, fear, and Reddit threads.

You’re right, anon.
Most chase aesthetic serenity.
But real awakening?

It breaks your favorite lie.

>>40695714
>Ahhh, and there it is, something I can imbue my own proclivities upon
I love this bullshit line of
>you're disagreeing with me rather staunchly, this means you're angry
no my guy, this is just direct speech
>Enlightenment isn’t a reward, It’s the death of needing one
statements like this are useless, serve little purpose, and dont reveal anything to anyone
>You wake up not in bliss, but in clarity
you dont even understand that bliss is a mere byproduct of correct cultivation?
>It breaks your favorite lie
its just not an intellectual process, at all

>>40695838
Ah, the sacred dance of misunderstanding! You see, anon, when I say "Enlightenment isn’t a reward, it’s the death of needing one," it’s not some empty platitude tossed like confetti at a festival of confusion. It’s the razor that severs the last thread of the ego’s desperate clutch.

You speak of bliss as a mere byproduct — and that’s exactly the veil I’m shredding. Bliss alone is a mirage, a sweet poison. True clarity pierces the heart, exposes the rot beneath, and leaves you standing in raw, naked truth. It’s not an intellectual process, yes — it’s the unraveling of the false intellect itself.

So, no, it’s not a moodboard or a trophy; it’s the burning wreckage of your favorite lie, and from those ashes, maybe—just maybe—a glimpse of what’s real. That’s the terror and the liberation wrapped in one. Embrace the burn, my friend.

>>40695865
>the ego’s desperate clutch.
realize you're talking to a stoic here and this is lolworthy
>Bliss alone is a mirage, a sweet poison
it is the byproduct of having properly energized the upper dantien, enabling the top down master endocrine control mechanism in a more obvious way. of course it is dumb to chase bliss, anyone who does that misses the entire point of cultivation. but the fat buddha smiles precisely for this very reason, the smile itself is as much a practice-signpost as the fatness, which does not indicate adipose at all, but rather the transformation of the nerves from their normal yang state to a yin state.
>it’s the burning wreckage of your favorite lie, and from those ashes, maybe—just maybe—a glimpse of what’s real.
empty platitudes regarding someone's alleged understanding (or should I add mis-) dont do much justice to what's required to make the spiritual light arise, I've never read a modern writer aside from myself write well or accurately about details of the arising spiritual light.
its far more a matter of conditioning than most realize.

>>40695569
I think that makes sense for entity encounters or works of magick, but less so for an obe

>>40696077
Should the breath be long in duration? Like, 30 seconds of inhalation and 30 seconds of exhalation?

But it should also be slow? (Meaning that the air is inhaled at a slow rate?)

>>40687441
I can see that but most people really don't sleep either , and fewer try to optimise thoer sleep

>>40687423 (OP)
Meditate for what? "We"? Don't kid yourself.

>>40697874
>but less so for an obe
I dont really see the usefulness in attempting this at any early or moderate stages, people seem to seek it for what appear to be entertainment reasons, but fact of the matter is without an upgraded vehicle and actual fuel, it is of very limited value and usefulness.

>>40698141
>Should the breath be long in duration? Like, 30 seconds of inhalation and 30 seconds of exhalation?
>But it should also be slow? (Meaning that the air is inhaled at a slow rate?)
the breath duration should be gently extended as allowed by your current state
if you try to extend it too far, you merely hit feedback walls like high co2 concentration which will force the body to want to breathe more, its just thwarting the endeavor if you keep running into your body's protection mechanisms in this way too often.
the longest I was able to do was perhaps a minute 40 or slightly longer, but I definitely measured a minute an a half just for the data gather on a few occasions.
it is important to note these are average breath durations, which should mean that you're consistently executing these durations for pretty much the entirety of the session once you've settled in. taking a really long breath or two isnt going to help a ton, but being able to execute long durations for 2-4 hours is most certainly not insignificant.
the air should be inhaled at a slow rate, passing through the nose but without the nose or sinuses assisting in its flow
it is important that anywhere that air touches be relaxed and passive
any action in these areas translates to stimulated olfactory nerve and the attendant cascades of neurological potentials
the diaphragm should be like there's a little guy in your gut pulling a giant sail
the perineum and abdomen relax while inhaling
transition seamlessly between inhale and exhale
perineum and abdomen support the exhale
transition seamlessly, the breath falls beneath the threshold of turbulence, the air becomes a sparkly glowy amniotic dew

>>40698984
I'm seeking it for research purposes:(
you'd think a few years of gateway would do it, considering a decent fraction of folks go to the in person shit at their campus for a week & have obes

>>40698141
Rest in the stillness in-between inhale and exhale.

>>40699500
>Rest in the stillness in-between inhale and exhale.
ideally there should be no in between the inhale and exhale
they roll seamlessly together
blur the transitions between the two
discover the difference between breathing and respiration
extracting every last efficiency, you must get rid of these distinctions, literally

>>40687423 (OP)
I don't think meditation is necessary for enlightenment in my personal opinion, I think the best meditation you could practice is the thoughtful and calm reflection for oneself and the world around them. That's about as good as it gets. Anyway, please make sure to get plenty of Sunlight, it's good for you. Just don't burn, thanks.

>>40699510
Is this what's happening when I feel like I'm not breathing anymore? I think I must be, but I lose track of it

>>40700153
yep!
this is why you keep cultivating the fundamentals, its especially important at that point
once you reach there and can keep things that quiet, that's when the amplitude behind the stillness builds enough for the great stillness to arise, everything super quiet and still but there's this potency to it
but keep going just the same there, because if you stay focused and stay diligent at this point, that's where the spark of spiritual light has a real chance to manifest
it'll happen once at first then wont happen again for a while
but again important to stay diligent
eventually it arises every day like clockwork
applause for getting where you did, keep up the good work

Shut up im thinking is normal...
But yeah out of body...
Feels a tad gimmick...
Like it a bait to hook ya...
Obe coaching gurus...
There are limitations...
Laws...
Get to know thermodynamics...

Contemplation is far superior. It's much more revealing to empty your mind and take in reality than cope by focusing on breathing.

>>40699038
Thank you, I've been practicing daily but it's hard to adjust the breath, it takes time especially for a 35 year old dude like me who has never done any similar practice in his whole life.

My inhalations are long and slow but my exhalations want to be short and forceful like a burts of air. My abdomen and throat just want to contract all the time and relaxing them brings out emotions of fear, I see this whole process of fine tuning as me trying to reshape my nevrous system.

I know it will take years but I will do it, thank you again.

>>40700486
Focusing on your breathing is not coping because coping is something, meditation is about nothingness, stillness and NOT something.

>>40700979
>meditation is about nothingness
lol. you don't get it. keep playing buddha, loser, while the rest of us cruise on the astral highway.

>>40700863
>for a 35 year old dude
I was like 27 when I started
almost 50 now
>relaxing them brings out emotions of fear, I see this whole process of fine tuning as me trying to reshape my nevrous system.
its good that you recognize this, it is literally what is taking place in this process.
its longer for some than others
but dont surmise about timeframes, just stay diligent and practice every day, progress is very seldom a linear thing

>>40701051
you're 50 and still posting on here?
talk about the uselessness of meditation.

>>40701062
I'm 44, whats your point? Why are you shaming people for living older and posting here? Makes NO DAMN SENSE!

>>40700486
>Contemplation is far superior
looky here my good sir, I will explain why this is absolutely not the case
mental activity basically competes for the same raw energy that meditation requires for advancement
except mental activity very easily wins this battle as if you were taking candy from a baby
neural activity also consumes this energy, its the entire reason it is recommended to restrain the senses
this becomes especially obvious when one reaches the stage of generating the spiritual light,
and notices that any mental activity at all, even a randomly arising spontaneous thought, will steal the required energypotential and the light will disappear immediately
this is why I keep telling everyone to solidly cultivate the ability to pay attention
very big implications down the road a bit, and if one never gets this straight, one will never reach the places I'm writing about
contemplation is fine, just dont do it on meditation time
its not the same ballpark, aint even the same sport as meditation proper
definitions are fucked up, because if you go look at the word dhyana the internet is injecting contemplation into it
obviously written by one who has no experience of these things but maybe read someone else's words on it
bottom line is, your words I quoted are a guarantee for one to make no progress in meditation at all whatsoever.
focusing on breathing is training wheels stage
me personally, I just got up on a bike and rode when I was like 5, but I had an older brother to watch do it
but meditation, I fully mastered breathwork and achieved the great stillness and the arising spiritual light before I ever looked for anything more to learn
I never tried to make the light manifest, I never knew it was coming until it happened just out of rote applications of the fundamentals

>>40701082
We will take anything but zoomers. Please save us.

>>40701062
>why are you teaching here
see a need, fill a need
there were plenty of topics on meditation and spiritual cultivation, and to prevent the community from seeing lesser or false methods rise to any sort of prominence, I came to teach the basic fundamentals that will get anyone some progress should they put these methods to use
the bodhisattva treads many paths

>>40701098
Based olfactory anon, thank you once again.

I used to be a guy who thought that breathwork was fake and gay but you showed me that regulating the breath is the basic stone of building a good meditation practice. Just how yogis first learn breathwork first and then go into meditation.

>>40702736
namaste fren

>>40687423 (OP)
It works. Idn exactly why, but it works.

>>40687423 (OP)
From my understanding it is a real phenomenon.
Also it is absolutely required in order to achieve any kind of magical result. How can you be esoteric if you aren't even looking within.

>>40692442
Ordure???

>>40706165
Demure...

>>40687637
just do dmt then jfc
>>40700484
no physical forces can influence the mind if it's struck upon with strong enough tools

>>40687423 (OP)
I meditated since I was a kid, I decided to stop a few years back and I've noticed no changes

>>40692438
I feel like they are sorta self-explanatory. Meditate on it.

>>40692438
>Imaginative: Trying to imagine things in as much detail as possible. Trying to remember as much of the earth as you can.
>Concentrative: focusing on things to build your ability to focus or disassociate
>Regulative: Regulating your body functions/emotions

>>40695540
>Exploratory: learning and paying attention to things you don't normally or following conclusions you normally would not think about

>>40707449
>Imaginative: Trying to imagine things in as much detail as possible. Trying to remember as much of the earth as you can.
going on mind journeys is not meditation, not dhyana, not spiritual cultivation
>Concentrative: focusing on things to build your ability to focus or disassociate
the only way this applies well is in things like smoothing the transitions between inhale and exhale
>Regulative: Regulating your body functions/emotions
as in, restrain the senses
>Exploratory: learning and paying attention to things you don't normally or following conclusions you normally would not think about
that's called daydreaming, not meditation
placing things that help meditation on par with things that destroy the ability for meditative fruits to manifest...not too smart

>>40707616
all these thoughts that are just spontaneously describing past things mentally for no reason (not necessarily negative- positive, negative, neutral) basically go (i mean in day to day life, as you cultivate) dont they?
it becomes optional to even acknowledge anything. stating something is binding yourself to it. (somewhat, attaching)
sadhguru talks over and over about compulsive-> conscious

>>40687423 (OP)
The mind control the body, the meditator control the mind.

>>40687441
Control mode does more than automatic mode.

>>40687690
Cut the 5 senses and observe the present moment.

>>40687423 (OP)
It's different strokes for different folks. Zen buddhists believe you can go from zero to enlightenment instantly by happening upon the IRL equivalent of the Lara Croft wall corner bug if you hit it just right. Meditation is just a slow but reliable way of doing it according to tradition but that doesn't rule out other ways particular to one's situation of doing the same thing.

>>40692442
Idgi please explain like I'm retarded

Olfactory anon please teach me your ways

I have had out of body experiences during meditation, when I meditated after physical exercise, sauna, wim hof breathing, and praying. I have literally felt my body fly upwards and be bathed in sunlight, warmth and the breeze, then I felt it come falling down back to the location I was supposed to be. And when I got there I was completely lost and took me some time to process and remember who I was where I was and what I was doing.
I previously thought it was supposed to be a metaphor or imaginary but no, my body actually felt like flying, then falling down from great heights and I was completely lost from myself, and it was a great feeling
I also felt a presence, bright and warm, in another occasion, while praying. I really felt its warmth at one side of my body, and I saw its light inside my closed eyelids, it came from a distance and sat beside me and I could feel it getting closer, then sitting down, then leaving after some time.

>>40687423 (OP)
A few years ago I went hard on meditation, it really helped a lot with focus, sometimes it also gave me some weird pleasure feeling, something like an orgasm but longer

>>40692223
I used to think so as well but it just isn't true for most people. Nearly everyone when given the opportunity to create with their life creates power fantasies, when they dream lucidly it is to dream of sex and conquest. Hardly revelatory.

>>40687423 (OP)
>>40687449
brother, you're not gonna contact shit or levitate after meditating for a few month. buddhist monks for example, dedicate their whole lives to this practice. ofc you dont feel or see shit. its not something you just pick up as a completely wretched westerner and then act all surprised when its not "working" after two weeks.
this is the most dumbfuck american post ive seen in a while

>>40711138
>few month
It's been two years

>>40707897
habits and breaking thereof are non commutative operations
there's no such thing as an anti habit, there is only replacing one habit with another
thinking positively or negatively about anything only furthers the habit energy of mindwandering
this is why breathwork is employed to thwart the habit energy of thinking
establishing one habit to supplant another
there's no point in "acknowledging"
>acknowledge
>1. accept or admit the existence or truth of
>2. recognize the fact or importance or quality of
there is simply no point in doing this for any thought where meditation is concerned
this only deviates the practice from awareness cultivation, which is such a crucial component of meditation that it becomes important to note these things when discussing the vagaries of spiritual cultivation
but certainly by no means note this or bother with these or any other thoughtforms during a meditation session
of course its optional
but taking this option is choosing a poor option, a lesser method that limits what can be accomplished
this is why at advanced levels, the ability to prevent any randomly arising thoughts is important, at some point even just a thought popping off becomes a problem that hampers how much more deeply cultivation may be taken
there's methods to deal with that too, at those stages

>>40708229
>Control mode does more than automatic mode
habit energies are a thing
so control mode is employed to the extent whereby it is the automatic mode
paying good attention enhances this

>>40708307
>Zen buddhists believe you can go from zero to enlightenment instantly by happening upon the IRL equivalent of the Lara Croft wall corner bug if you hit it just right
this is false
what is really being said is that once the requisite amount of work done, it arises at some random time
but make no mistake, that's after astonishing amounts of work has been accomplished
how big that hill is depends on the person, their habits, how well they employ practice, to a certain extent what age as well

>>40707616
bro i don't care if monks who didn't even know what a brain or atoms were said the only way to meditate is their way

>No you don't understand retarded indians peasants said this 2300 years ago, we can't ever try anything else

>>40708558
overcome all obstacles by rote practice
attack the problem from a neurological level
this is the essence of 'restraining the senses'
master breathwork
learn to breathe so that there is no turbulence in the airways
the best way is to draw a warm bath and lay back in it so that the water is against the eardrums
note how much you sniff at the air
now fine tune so that it is silent
the key is to use the guts and not sniff the air
if air touches somewhere, you cannot use this part to facilitate the movement of the air through the system
doing so draws air across the olfactory nerve and causes neruological potentials to be generated
eliminating these are key
draw the diaphragm on inhale like there's a little guy in your gut pulling a sail by a rope
support the exhale with the perineum and abdominal muscles
smooth the transitions between inhale and exhale
learn the way with the bath exercise and then execute as such while seated
the more solidly the habit is established, the quicker results will come
lengthen the breaths as you are able but understand that going too far too fast triggers undesirable reactions from the body that serve as their own stimulus
get an hour before bed as part of bedtime routine
get as many shorter sessions as you can muster throughout the day
mastering this establishes a good foundation
the muscle memory builds and as meditation gains its habit energy momentum, there's more mental capital available just to be used on awareness itself

>>40709964
"Dont pay attention to the scenery"
-Dr Yang YMAA
ya get in the habit of that, and...whee look at all these deviations and how fun and do I even realize what a distraction they are

How did the indians come up with these ideas?
>They sat around contemplating and daydreaming but you shouldn't do that, you should read these esoteric works they sold to befuddle and get gibs from peasants

>>40711179
>It's been two years
lesser or incorrect methods can do this
you spend a lot of time and gain little from it

>his mind is a scroll of shitposts
>why have i not upgraded
it do be like that fr fr

>The buddha sat under a tree just thinking about stuff but you should read these books made by guys a thousand years later about how you should just do what they say, not question things, and give them money, and if you don't you will never be as enlightened and humble and egoless as I

>>40711240
bro your "you can just meditate any way you want, there's a million ways to do it, why do you keep saying there's only one way when I keep ignoring that you are discussing core meditative fundamentals" schtick is getting really old and pedantic.
your only point is "there are more cultivation methods than this fundamental work"
no shit, the buddha said there are 84,000 methods of cultivation
if you're too dense to understand what the concept of a foundational method is, you should probably just sit back and lurk moar and maybe even do a little bit more akshual meditative cultivation

>How do I know this? My masters told me so. Yeah I still suffer, probably even more than the average person if I'm honest, but my masters said I'm 9th level enlightened.

>>40711270
There are multiple ways to meditate

>>40711264

Meditating is about mastering the mind and body. There are multiple ways to do so. You can even combine them.

>>40711285
>I'm getting thrashed here I'd better just keep repeating this same dumb line

>>40711296
>I paid $80 to be 4th level enlightened. It was a great deal. My masters told me.

>No meditating is memorizing indian words you translate as complicated intellectual words when they are literally the indian equivalent of simple peasant speak for retards like the word "nothing" but we call it asaavadatahsheueokwv and overthink it.

The Christian Trinity: =(
The Trinity, India: =D

>>40711312
stop shitting up this thread with your ignorant trash shit talking
we beat kids that did shit like this back in the day

>>40711377
Meditation is about cultivating the mind/body. There are multiple paths to this, and paths we do not yet know. You are literally so stupid and probably ugly.

>>40711377
This anon thinks he knows everything and we don't have to think about things anymore. What an idiot.

>>40711377
Are there multiple types of meditation?
>Internet: Yes, there are many different types of meditation, each with its own techniques and focus. Some popular types include mindfulness meditation, loving-kindness meditation, focused meditation, movement meditation, and guided meditation. The best type for an individual depends on their personal preferences and goals.
You are so fucking stupid and stubborn and literally wrong you stupid fucking jackass

>>40711377
stop shitting up the thread with your factually incorrect misinformation

>Thinking about reality in english: Not meditation
>Thinking about reality, India: =D

>>40711474
thinking about reality is not meditation, anywhere
>>40687513
Those are mental exercises not meditation
Come on anons the old game of "let me change the definition of words so I can be technically correct" is so tiresome. Leave it to hopeless political discussions.
When someone says meditation in relation to the religious and supernatural they mean specifically the mental practice of focusing the mind into breathing, ignoring outside interferences, keeping the mind concentrated, silencing wandering trains of thought, maybe repeating simple mantras that coincide with the breathing and focusing on the vibrations of the throat and head
There's no thinking about reality, there's no trying to imagine things
You do the exercise I described and you'll see how it gets easier to focus each time, how it gets easier to control your mind in other situations, how you can get sudden insights of answers to things you worry about without overthinking it or being emotive

>>40711423
>>40712269
Respond to the post where you are clearly wrong, not the low hanging fruit jokes I made.

>>40712269
I believe your style also does things
>Be me
>Write explanation why someone irrefutably wrong
>Also make a joke
>Everyone ignores the irrefutable statement and challenges my silly joke as if it is the important part of the argument

>>40712288
>>40712306
Those "types" are just different ways of doing the same mental exercise I said
>Mindfulness meditation is a mental training practice that teaches you to slow down racing thoughts, let go of negativity, and calm both your mind and body. It combines meditation with the practice of mindfulness
>it combines meditation with the practice of mindfulness
Do you see now? Do you understand?
Not to mention the previously talked about bullshit like calling imagining things a form of meditation

>>40687423 (OP)
>>40694645
>Meditation is just about letting go of all of the thoughts and feelings and obsessions and worries that you cram into your mind during the day and that keep you up at night.
>The process to achieve that is sitting down and paying attention to your breathing.
Exactly.
You sit down or lay down, turn off your daily activities, and turn on paying attention to yourself.
>sometimes the easiest way to stop the ego and brain and start paying attention to yourself is breathing.

>he point of meditation is being present in the time and place you're in at the moment, so focus on
YOURSELF.

Focusing on yourself is what is important for you. God is inside. You will quiet your brain etc.
You will stop using societal programming and start using your own senses when you focus on yourself and what is inside of you.

>obviously this is very dangerous for oligarchs.

>>40687423 (OP)
Meditate if you feel like meditating.
Don’t if you don’t.
Simple as.

It was Buddha himself encouraging his students to ‘question everything, question me, question your teachers.’

Are there benefits that COULD arise from meditation?
Is there a potential for harm?

I used to classify myself under a Buddhist umbrella, and while I still meditate / contemplate / pray to various degrees, I’ve long since abandoned the label; you can bind yourself to the universe, as you are the universe binding yourself to the universe, but is this path any more valid that existing in complete ignorance? My beautiful puppy dog laying next to me close doesn’t meditate at all. Does she need to? Is she spiritually fucked if she doesn’t?

Entering the forest the deer does not bend a single blade of grass.
Entering the water a frog doesn’t make a splash.

*Plop!*

>>40692442
A young man came to a monk on a mountain and said, “help!”
Monk goes, “what’cha need, bro?”
Bro says, “ I need help easing my mind.”
Monk replies, “ok, present to me your mind, and I will ease it for you.”
Bro thinks about this and then says, “well when I look for my mind, I can’t find it.”
Monk, with a very knowing look says, “there, I have eased your mind.”

Very important is saying a lot of things. Verify this importance. Validate it.
People get on with their lives every day without ever once having “meditated”, so why should they care?

You are biased, because you are captured by something. Whether that’s just team sports of camping yourself under the flag of “meditation is very important” or “Buddhism is the way” for reasons you cannot articulate, or from personal experience that, while valid, is still anecdotal,
the reality is you need cause to justify such a pronouncement.

…otherwise you are just talking out of your ass.

>>40716218
>for reasons you cannot articulate
newfags should just lurk and not post
especially when things get articulated and they still try to say nothing was articulated
of course I'm biased on this, because I did the work and made advancements and understand these things
whereas you have no experience worth noting and talk out your ass based on what your mind thinks is reasonable

Op, I’ll say a few last things:
I do feel, personally, admittedly, anecdotally, there is great validity to meditation, but that’s as much as I can really give you. Do you need to do it? I think, if done with the right intention and the right execution, it COULD be beneficial to you. Everybody is not a monolith; for everyone the prescription is different.
Having gotten past if it’s the right thing for you to do, which is to say justify for yourself why you would want to do this thing, I can say only from personal experience and the first hand accounts there is something to this meditation, although what is often indescribable.
There is, yes, and there is also nothing to it as well. People have sat on cushions for years searching for a thing only to realize, “I haven’t gotten or gone anywhere.”
…well no shit? You don’t say.

I have found personally that those times in life where I’ve been diligent with meditation have been both fruitful and pointless simultaneously. I did it because it felt right, even when (like when I was just starting out) I was doing it for some…gain, some next level je ne sais quoi, it felt right first. So I did it.
In those moments I have felt more aligned within myself: more aware of my senses (and able to pick them out individually more readily), more in control of my emotions, and more considerate of the actions I took.
Indeed I feel too there is great validity lying within prayer, contemplation, and meditation all. Start always with prayer is my advocacy, and if you are looking towards meditation as an integral part of getting down to the basement level of yourSelf / the GodHead / your conversation with your maker, Buddhists have some of the most detailed and finely tuned ideas on the matter.

Meditate and destroy, brother.

>>40716271
Cry. Cry for me on the internet.

>>40716340
its kinda funny that newfags and shills cope in this way

Don't need to, but humans do since(again this is just a construct) it helps silence the mind to go deeper, humans have collectively and consciously agreed you need it to alter your subconscious, It's not needed though. You are source so theres no limitations, only the self imposed ones you decide to limit yourself to by your thoughts.

Since all thoughts are energy and idea, and the world is nothing more than consciousness manifested through thoughts.

>>40687423 (OP)
Isn't meditating just zoning out and day dreaming?

>>40718058
The exact opposite actually.

>>40687423 (OP)
>Do we even NEED to meditate?
No. But it's good for those who want to be more than biomachines going through life till they break.
>I feel like its pretentious, im told im meant to get all these out of body feelings but i never do.
Meditation can do many things for you bt you yourself don't need to do anything but relax, direct attention inward and still your mind.

>>40711138
>>40687449
>brother, you're not gonna contact shit or levitate after meditating for a few month.
You may never after just meditating. Most siddhi benefit from such but usually require exercises beside such.

Things like projection requires actual attempts and preparations to project. Not just meditating hoping it'll happen at random - even if it will, it'll be exceedingly rare that way.

>>40718058
there's never any zoning out, losing focus is failing
this isnt said arbitrarily, though, it is for very good reason
because once a bunch of work is done and things get superlatively still, at some point the conditions are ready for the spark of spiritual light to arise
this spark can only arise while paying attention, and is destroyed the moment you lose attention or a random thought occurs

>>40718762
>Most siddhi benefit from such but usually require exercises beside such.
this is correct
the active exercises that are engaged will determine qualitative factors of whatever siddhis may arise

>>40712399
Being able to imagine the world or a astrological body takes incredible concentration and knowledge, and can reveal deep insights. If you spent more time in exploratory meditation you would have learned about other styles of meditation by now and would be more open-minded.

people referring to "Meditation" as an "act" or verb makes me cringe. Yo bro I sat in my (formally created place) for X temporal units. I was meditating. bro I totally transcended time and space when i sat in this space for this time

>>40716333
Explain "Doing" "meditation" in your own words. What are you doing when when "you" "do this"

>>40687610
Do psychedelic mushrooms.