Thread 40797304

most or all humans are hylics at best and evil at worst
ballot measures are a good example of this
Ask people if it should be legal to kill a child that's a couple months old. Most will say yes

put a ballot measure on a ballot in a "progressive" state and city election "should we ban slaughterhouses here?"
Most people vote to keep slaughterhouse open and keep killing animals

>>40797304 (OP)
Social hierarchy, the notion that some people are inherently superior to others, will do more harm than "hylics" ever will.

>>40797304 (OP)
https://ballotpedia.org/Denver,_Colorado,_Initiated_Ordinance_309,_Slaughterhouse_Ban_Measure_(November_2024)

Also as far as the map goes
>Florida voted to keep abortion illegal!!!!

The majority of Florida voters voted to legalize abortion it just required at least 60%.

This is not just an American thing abortion and factory farming Is legal in Europe (yes Poland too by pill up to like 12 weeks)

>>40797326
by hylic I mean no free will. I think if the reason people act this way is no free will rather than evil then no one has free will or everyone has it seems most likely. It's possible everyone has free will and just most people are evil

Not at worst. It's real. Most people are indeed evil, including you, probably.

>>40797336
The notion that others do not posses some fundamental human quality, such as free will, is an extremely common delusion among narcissists, in part because it excuses abusing others. I recommend you try shrooms and radical empathy towards your fellow man.

>>40797457
Sure but if there's two people who are evil but one is a lot more evil then other where do each of them go after death?

>>40797480
Strawman

>>40797489
How so? Can you prove that I don't have free will? Can you prove you do have free will? Why should I take it as a given that some people do and some people don't?

>>40797497
It seems most likely all people have at least some free will (perhaps with some exceptions like babies and severely mentally handicapped adults) or no one has it

>>40797480
pearls before swine, dipshit, you included

there is enough treachery, hatred violence absurdity in the average
human being to supply any given army on any given day

and the best at murder are those who preach against it
and the best at hate are those who preach love
and the best at war finally are those who preach peace

those who preach god, need god
those who preach peace do not have peace
those who preach peace do not have love

beware the preachers
beware the knowers
beware those who are always reading books
beware those who either detest poverty
or are proud of it
beware those quick to praise
for they need praise in return
beware those who are quick to censor
they are afraid of what they do not know
beware those who seek constant crowds for
they are nothing alone
beware the average man the average woman
beware their love, their love is average
seeks average

>>40797336
It's an interesting interpretation. Do you agree that by your definition someone who is not a hylic can become a hylic when free will is removed or out of reach?

>>40797480
It's also hard to deny. Freedom of an ever narrowing multiple choice is not free will and never will be.

>>40797483
I suppose all evil people just cease existing after death. Their soul just vanishes forever.

>>40797604
Perhaps it has been true for some. But I have lived long enough to see that evil people are made. It doesn't seem right to me that most evil people, who do not begin that way, are not pacified in some way after death. Save eternal erasure for the manipulators of souls who make the monsters out of innocents, no?

>>40797604
Annihilationism makes more sense to me then infernalism but it seems unfair someone can live a insanely evil life of being basically as evil as possible get extremely rich happy healthy etc and someone else can live a moderately good and moderately evil life where they are not very happy because they could have stolen much more and been much more evil and much wealthier and happier but choose to be at least somewhat good and they wind up going to the exact same place as the other person.

Especially since there's little evidence of God or an afterlife here. Are we just supposed to do what seems to be right regardless of reward or punishment in afterlife?

>>40797304 (OP)
>Ask people if it should be legal to kill a child that's a couple months old. Most will say yes
ITT: OP has extreme autism and doesn't realize normal people think he's fucking joking when he asks something this retarded so play along with it.

>>40797645
>Are we just supposed to do what seems to be right regardless of reward or punishment in afterlife?
yes, that's what having a soul entails.

You're supposed to do what seems to be right because you have a natural disgust and aversion to evil acts that make your heart feel bad. If you don't have that sorry you're evil

"abortion rights"

Mainstream media takes a position and tries to influence by referring to "rights". 20 year olds can't choose to legally drink alcohol in any state, but they never call it "drinking choice rights" or anything like that.

>>40797696
We all call it "legal drinking age" because it's less clunky linguistically, idiot
>why don't they call it legal unfetusing age????

>>40797633
No. There is a choice. The purer your soul, the more they will hate you. That's not just "some" who act crazy and such stuff. It's society as a whole. Society as a whole hates good. They don't like good. It's not just the outliers. Everyone. The outliers are the good people. And in this age, they have become more rare than ever.

>>40797683
Sure but I also care about my own interests. I also fear death and poverty. I also want to help others. How much should I be expected to prioritize others?
>>40797694
I do but I also have a natural aversion and disgust to for example giving away my money to charity because I want it for myself.

>>40797645
Yeah, you're supposed to act right whatever happens after death. If you are good for a reward, you're not truly good. You should want to please god and embody truth.

>>40797705
Pro choice meat eaters are worse than Nazis.

>>40797708
>How much should I be expected to prioritize others?
As much as your situation allows. You are not expected to martyr yourself for the world. Probably according to you, the son of God already fulfilled that obligation of yours.
>aversion and disgust giving away my money to charity because I want it for myself.
Careful, people might call you Jewish. Greedy cunt. You won't even put your change in the donation box at the convenience store. Do you give shitty tips too?
>>40797714
>vegan
I don't debate malnourished people, sorry. Feels like picking on a starving african child.

>>40797712
Sure but how good must you be vs how selfish are you allowed to be? Just never spend a penny on luxuries and donate everything you can to to charity

>>40797734
waste of time to engage with you

>>40797738
extreme black and white thinking is a symptom of multiple mental illnesses. You don't need meds, but you can self-administer cognitive behavioral therapy like I did to improve this. There's a middle ground between scrooge and martyr.

>>40797747
That seems arbitrary what about Peter Singer drowning child type arguments?
https://benthams.substack.com/p/the-drowning-child-argument-is-simply?utm_source=publication-search

>>40797760
Technically you're generally not advised to save drowning people yourself unless you are a licensed rescuer due to the fact that they are likely to try and pull you under with them. Just call 911.

>>40797705
Huh? When drinking ages were lowered the media didn't say "rights" were on the ballot, or that "rights" had been taken away. Also, with marijuana they said stuff like "marijuana legalization on the ballot", not "marijuana rights on the ballot". They also used to say "pro life" and "pro choice", but now they are told not to and to take a stand that abortion is a "right" and that some are for or against that "right".

>>40797304 (OP)
>"MOM! These people are retarded or bad but not in the way I'm retarded and bad! They must be evil!
It's ironic how much of a sheeple is the average "npc/hylic theory" parrot. They're perfect puppets.

>>40797760
Also depending on where you live that could infact be an alligator/crocodile's arms flailing out of the water and not a child's.

>>40797767
ok fair i'm high and sleep deprived you sort of have a point that some people might be implying you don't have inherent rights to certain things. I hadn't thought of it from that perspective. Maybe a bit naive and autistic of me. I think we should start calling all of it rights then. Because you need to have a right to medicine.

>>40797304 (OP)
As long as you think abortion is a cause and not a symptom, it will only increase.
As long as a society happily engaged in animal slaughter, abortion will rise.

>>40797798
I don't want to bring children into this hellscape but I just don't have sex. Even if I could pass millions of dollars down to my children it's still seems wrong because that wealth they would enjoy would just be a way to enslave other poor people

>guy complaining about everyone being an NPC is an anti-natalist
every time

>>40797738
I think we know when we are good or evil deep down

>>40797826
I'm not sure if all people are capable of recognizing that. Some of these assholes have IQ issues.

>>40797828
Everyone should do their best to be good by doing things like avoiding being a hypocrite for example

>>40797835
that's not really relevant to what I said. IQ has a correlation to capacity for self-reflection.

>>40797326
>the notion that some people are inherently superior to others
Yes, for almost any given situation, there is a uniquely suited human completely superior to most others. For the physical spectrum there exist a very small % of the current population that, regardless of total muscle mass, even while appearing skinny, still possess full muscular strength from the monkey era, fully capable of crushing your skull between their hands. Is that inherent superiority? In some situations, yes. An equally small % possess spheres of imagination so acutely tuned that their fields of thought can be superior to handheld calculators. Are you going to beat them in mathematical speed? No.

>>40797336
>by hylic I mean no free will
Everything has free will, even the atoms you're composed of, they're just usually lazy and fall into the energy bandwidth their vector is most suited to. Most participants in this phase of a civilization simply do not possess the free time to contemplate obsessively on the subject of whatever flavor of the month topic you're passionate about; they're mostly too busy trapped in a cycle of suffering to commit the heavy resource requirements of meditation to reach a more refined point of view, thus automatically favored towards following the naturally dominant flowing gravity of the situation 'going with the flow'/general consensus. In any subject, if the logic of your argument suffices, you will be capable of convincing another soul to ally with your point of view. In other words, if you were to conduct properly thorough and charismatic conversation enhanced or diminished to an appropriately understandable IQ for any of these 'npcs' you whinge about, you'd be able to get them to agree.

It is significantly easier to whine, so you dramaqueens, in a way exactly the same as these 'npcs', are caught in your own web of malaise. You just don't want or cannot spend the energy to convey your thought processes in high definition to those you view as sheep.

>>40797910
VH, TRVTH NVKE?

Abortion is a human sacrifice ritual, and the most powerful known to exist. It was invented by eugenicists within the occult to curry favor with Satan, while also gaining his protection for their war mongering, usury, and industrial scale manipulation of people's minds.

Why is abortion such a powerful form of ritual human sacrifice? Because it involves the most defenseless victim conceivable - an unborn child - being willfully murdered by the very person most spiritually bound to love and protect them, their own mothers. These ritualized murders are carried out in a nonchalant, routine way, as a means of facilitating hedonistic apathy, laziness, and convenience - the magic is in symbolically placing ten seconds of physical pleasure above the value of a human life. It symbolizes evil, within cruelty, within evil. It proffers that a few seconds of vaginal contractions mean more than human life, your own child, and it does this using the greatest symbol of love and compassion - a mother - satanically inverted into spiritually numbed, unfeeling executioners.

So the next time you see a woman of the West screeching into the camera about her rights, on the steps of some federal building, look into her eyes and understand that you're looking into the eyes not of a simple murderer, but of a demon, the literal definition of evil. And understand that this steady stream of death she inflicts upon the unborn is what power's the elite's satanic karma, and in turn enables their ever tightening grip on our nation, our society, our culture, and our very lives.

If you intend to win, you have to understand, and take away, the true source of their power. And if this all seems like mysticism to you, consider why this is, what media taught you that, and who directed that media to do so.

>>40797556
Sort of a slash to write off all who act, as those most needing upset Acts, no? It doesn't feel as though you're arguing the dichotomy of the nature of needing and being needed in return. Rather, it feels a way for you to speak down on this individual as a way to raise yourself up. Now would you say that I then am in need of support because I choose to speak down on you? You may very well do so, but personally I would disagree. I merely wish to call out as I see it, between outspoken entities that choose to argue in perceived bad faith.

>>40797935
The problem is pro-life people are usually morons who want to restrict contraception as well as abortion. If you want less abortions you need availability to contraception too.

>>40797950
>Usually
No

>>40797959
ok well then let's say the people in power who could enact such things usually want you to have no choice but to go for some seedy illegal procedure that could kill you or be forced to produce new molestation targets/future worker drones if you bump uglies at the wrong time. And that means restricting contraception too.

>>40797706
>Society as a whole hates good
Jews. Not society, jews. The world has been completely jewish for 80 years, and heavily influenced for 110. There isn't a living human that can speak of how the world was before their takeover.

American's can't imagine a home without a television. Vehicles now have screens, but for 80 years a radio was standard.

The average brighter human will be too brain damaged from environmental poisoning to recover their faculties even if the visual and audio noise were removed. The sub 90 dim bulbs have no hope. The brown races were imported to further this average along, dragging the poor and middle classes down through integration in education and the workplace.

>>40797661
Such a simple filter to a basic notion of ideas. Go back to lebbit

>>40798140
>fail to point out where I'm factually wrong
>durr go back to bebib
go back to india

>>40797304 (OP)
The current state of human cultural evolution is a joke. I can only hope a disease is released that kills us all

>>40797326
Hello gary long… what is the point of trying to be more special than others as you should given God‘s gift of life til your last breath?

>>40797304 (OP)
Abortion hurts the Demiurge (starves it of new suffering).
Being "pro-life" is the default Hylic stance, which is why the (((Abrahamics))) push forced birth.

>>40798610
Do you really think animals don't endure suffering and won't be the second choice if humans went extinct?

Keep it stupid simple, abort only for the reasons your ancestors would do so post partum. Same amount of 'cruelty' as we've done for however many millennia only difference being bellyjelly folk have the capabilities to detect these things half a year in advance

>>40798643
That's arbitrary