Thread 40819566

Cain offered the fruit of the ground, the result of sustained labor, foresight, and cultivation. Agriculture requires long-term planning, cooperation with nature, and an ethic of delayed gratification. His offering symbolized the dawn of civilization. In contrast, Abel’s sacrifice was a blood offering, rooted in violence and the death of a sentient creature. Cain’s was nobler: it honored life and creative effort.

That God preferred Abel’s blood sacrifice over Cain’s agricultural gift indicates divine bias toward older, more violent cultic traditions. This choice suggests a primitive deity addicted to blood, favoring death over life, destruction over creation. Cain’s rejection was a rejection of human progress in favor of archaic, death-centered religion.

Cain’s killing of Abel was not blind jealousy, it was a revolt against divine irrationality and favoritism. It was the first protest against arbitrary authority. In killing Abel, Cain symbolically rejected a cosmology that elevated animal slaughter and tribal blood rituals above intellect, labor, and sustainable life. Cain becomes the first existential dissident.

After his banishment, Cain founded the first city (Genesis 4:17), a permanent human settlement, the bedrock of civilization. His descendants (per Genesis 4:20–22) became the fathers of music, metallurgy, and nomadic herding: Jubal, Jabal, and Tubal-Cain. These are the origins of the liberal arts and sciences. Abel left no legacy, only a grave. Cain left the world culture.

Cain was not a villain, he was the first civilizing force. His sacrifice represented intellect, labor, and peace. His act of violence was a philosophical revolt against a death-fixated deity and a spiritually stagnant brother. Through Cain came cities, music, tools, and art. Through Abel came only the echo of divine favoritism and the stench of blood. Cain, not Abel, was humanity’s true firstborn.

>>40819566 (OP)
>That God preferred Abel’s blood sacrifice over Cain’s agricultural gift indicates divine bias toward older, more violent cultic traditions.
Nonsense. This exact thing was very, very early on in the world. Blood sacrifices in the likeness that you are implying weren't until much later.

Also, this is a premonition to not only the Law in which atonement from sins would be from animals (temporarily) but even further down that Jesus (lamb without spot or blemish) would be offered as a living sacrifice for the atonement of all our sins if we only so choose to repent.

Jesus has been prophesied since Genesis 5, if not earlier.

1. Adam = Man
2. Seth = Appointed
3. Enosh = Mortal
4. Cainan = Sorrow
5. Mahalalel = The Blessed God
6. Jared = Shall come down
7. Enoch = Teaching
8. Methuselah = His death shall bring
9. Lamech = The despairing
10. Noah = Rest

OP, as per usual, has no fucking idea what they're talking about.

>>40819566 (OP)
Here's some stuff to work with; for direct work with the real Qayin; and how to follow in His footsteps.
https://archive.org/details/liber-falxifer-iii-the-book-of-the-52-stations-of-the-crosses-of-nod/page/61/mode/2up

The Qayinites were indeed the source of modern civilization.

>>40819609
>Blood sacrifices in the likeness that you are implying weren't until much later.
What was Abel's sacrifice then?

>>40819609
>Jesus has been prophesied since Genesis 5
Christard fanfiction

>>40819620
Your reading comprehension is questionable. I'm saying, that wasn't a thing back in those days in which it was something God favored in regards to earlier traditions. There really was no tradition, given that both Cain and Abel are both offspring of Adam and Eve. From whom did the tradition exist prior to them?

>>40819631
What did Abel sacrifice? Just answer the question.

>>40819635
You've already been blown the fuck out and you haven't even processed it yet.

>>40819566 (OP)
OK wheatoid

>>40819638
So you can't answer huh. Cain sacrificed the fruit of the ground, and his sacrifice was deemed inferior to Abel's. What did Abel sacrifice? It's weird how you're dodging this very simple question.

>>40819616
Also all the stuff in said book (Liber Falxifer 3) is anology for things going on in the modern era; so is Biblical lore overall.
Genesis is still going on; the Flood has not happened yet (correlates with apocalypse in Revelation and such). Everything is anology for stuff in the modern era.
Adam is still sleeping underneath the tree of knowledge for example.

>>40819642
You are ignoring my main point which destroys your argument. I'll repeat it.

that wasn't a thing back in those days in which it was something God favored in regards to earlier traditions. There really was no tradition, given that both Cain and Abel are both offspring of Adam and Eve. From whom did the tradition exist prior to them?

>>40819641
>reddit meridian

>>40819648
>that wasn't a thing back in those days in which it was something God favored in regards to earlier traditions. There really was no tradition, given that both Cain and Abel are both offspring of Adam and Eve. From whom did the tradition exist prior to them?

It doesn't matter if it was an established tradition or not. Cain and Abel both made a sacrifice to God. Cain's sacrifice was deemed inferior to Abel's. We know what Cain sacrificed. What did Abel sacrifice? Why are you being so weird about this? It's a very simple question.

>>40819646
So if you're interested in Qayin and the annihilation of Abel join in on the fun in said book.
Real practical systems, third eye training etc. Loads of metaphysical properties of each Cross station sigil.

>>40819661
>It doesn't matter if it was an established tradition or not.
It does, since your argument states

>That God preferred Abel’s blood sacrifice over Cain’s agricultural gift indicates divine bias toward older, more violent cultic traditions.


>divine bias toward older, more violent cultic traditions.

Again, which violent cultic traditions since, once again, these are the offspring of the first humans that roamed earth?

>>40819672
>divine bias toward older, more violent cultic traditions.
In the context of the contemporary religion that has persisted for ~3000 years, yes, Abel being the brother God prefers does retroactively imply divine bias toward animal sacrifice. i.e. the violent traditions of the old testament.

>>40819670
"White herding dog" here refers to Communists.
People like Biden can be recognized in said term.
Biden is "playing chess with Death" in the film classic The Seventh Seal by Ingmar Bergman.


Here's a good music video following a character that looks like "Biden and others in the described situation"; video generated straight from the Qliphoth (Aogiel Qlipha specifically)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Vyw_FGIhAE&ab_channel=ZevDeans

>>40819649
What's reddit spelled backwards?

>>40819683
You are not answering the question because you know your logic is faulty and your argument is weak. The fact of the matter is, you know nothing about the Bible and your attempt at discrediting it is so filled with holes I could only wonder why you would bother embarrassing yourself by sharing your opinion on it.

>>40819694
If you're implying I think Cain and Abel lived after the Jewish temple sacrifices you are mistaken. I am saying the Cain and Abel story existing the way it does inherently implies that God prefers blood sacrifices. That's WHY animals were sacrificed at the temple.

>>40819685
Aogiel Qlipha description from "The Book of Sitra Achra; A Grimoire of the Dragons of the Other Side" (book generated by the Qliphoth; not human written; "N.a.a-218" author pseudonym is "non human written; straight from Qliphothic sources")
Link to that one here:
https://archive.org/details/TheBookOfSitraAchra/page/n31/mode/2up

>>40819701
Everything you are claiming is merely an assumption from someone who didn't understand what they read. I didn't imply that, at all. I would love for you to explain your line of reasoning as to how you came to the conclusion that I was even implying that.

Yes, God does prefer sacrifice. Love cannot be love without sacrifice. Love is selfless, which calls for sacrifice. Which is why He offered Himself as a living sacrifice for our sins. You want to turn this into something dark, when it isn't. All you're doing is trying to project your evil onto something that is good.

An animal or a plant sacrifices its life so that we may remain nourished. You cannot live as a human on earth without a life being sacrificed, and plants are alive.

All things that, outside of our fallen state, are taken care of. Thus, no need to do such things at that point anymore. But for the time being, while we currently are still in our fallen state, things are this way, temporarily. We technically could've become immortal, given that the fruit of the tree of life was in the garden and God did not forbid it until the forbidden fruit was consumed.

So our mortality is due to the original sin, and due to the original sin, death and decay rot a world once meant to be a paradise. And we continue to push this world further and further into its fallen state, and that is having extremely dire consequences to life on earth.

We are nearing the end of the world. I hope you guys are prepared for that. I know I am.

>>40819711
ie sigils etc are not human designed; they're generated straight from Qliphothic sources; ie stuff worth studying if you want direct understanding of the Qliphoth (tree of Death/Knowledge).
Emissaries in Book of Sitra Achra for example teaches you about each Qlipha.

>>40819566 (OP)
jews playing good cop bad cop surrealistic numbers recursively into the abyss.. the story...never... ending

>>40819743
That doesn't explain why yhwh likes blood

>>40819721
>Yes, God does prefer sacrifice. Love cannot be love without sacrifice
Why does it have to be a living creature though and not crops that you cultivated? Later on in the temple period, it is said that burning flesh is a pleasing aroma to the Lord

>>40819764
Matthew 9:13
But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

>>40819767
Why did god like the smell of blood?

>>40819566 (OP)
The godling kikes worship is a blood god that requires live sacrifices.

>>40819721
>I would love for you to explain your line of reasoning as to how you came to the conclusion that I was even implying that.

You were fixated on the "older tradition" line, and thought it didn't make sense because there was no tradition at that point in Biblical history. I was not speaking of "older tradition" from the point of view of Cain and Abel, but looking back from our point in history at the various bronze age gods people made blood sacrifices to, YHWH being one of them

>>40819721
>and plants are alive.
They don't suffer like animals and humans do. They have no nervous system, no complex brain.

>>40819766
You are clearly not ready to have this discussion because it's obvious you can't keep up with what I'm saying. The concept of sacrifice goes well beyond an animal or plant. The concept of sacrifice ties into love which I've already explained. If you are selfish, you do everything for yourself, and you don't really have to sacrifice much. But if you're selfless, you have to sacrifice a lot, because you put the well being of others before yourself. And here you are still thinking I'm talking about ritualistic sacrifice.

You clearly can't keep up with this, and you think you're in any position to criticize any of this. You need to humble yourself, greatly.

>>40819750
Here's some more Cross stations to work with.
"Q-anon: Trust the plan" is directly Qayin related stuff; related to Pesha Line of Nod; which centers around stuff like Politics, law and order; teaches you about political conspiracies and such etc.

You'll get loads of "behind the scenes knowledge" from Liber Falxifer 3.

>>40819767
>quotes the new testament to sweep the old testament under the rug

Classic Christkike trick

>>40819792
>The concept of sacrifice goes well beyond an animal or plant.
I am specifically talking about animal sacrifices here, of which there are many instances of recorded in the Bible. You don't actually have any arguments so you're resorting to belittling

>And here you are still thinking I'm talking about ritualistic sacrifice.
That is literally what happened in the story this thread is about. They put their sacrifices atop alters and burned them. Have YOU read the bible?

>>40819774
Because yhwh is a blood-thirsty loser god. Evertrhing great he claims he did was actually his big bro Ba'al Hadad or his daddy El. yhwh is some faggot loser parasite who demands the first 10% of everything.
Early abrahamists were HATED back in the classic ages because they burned their firstborns as a sacrifice to yhwh.

>>40819780
>I was not speaking of "older tradition" from the point of view of Cain and Abel, but looking back from our point in history at the various bronze age gods people made blood sacrifices to, YHWH being one of them
Yes, so am I. You are under the presumption that you can trust history over the Bible. And you are entirely in your right to do so. But if you are going to argue against the Bible, then you need to consider the fact that there is a possibility that it is exactly how it went down as explained in the Bible.

Because you are coming from the perspective of criticism and doubt, where I'm coming from the perspective of understanding. So, you can see how our different outlooks on the contents of the Bible are going to sort of clash against eachother.

If we are going to argue the Bible, then understand that there were no generations before Adam and Eve to make the assumption that God preferred anything before their existence. Because by making that assumption, you are already arguing something that isn't true.

>>40819808
>Classic Christkike trick
Hosea 6:6
For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings.

>>40819814
I know, and you still are because you can't keep up with what I'm saying. I'm not belittling you, I'm being honest. The concept of a discussion moving on beyond the initial point of argument seems to be a foreign concept to you. You can't keep up, and I know you think I'm trying to insult you but I'm just being honest here. Don't take it personal.

>>40819822
Why did god reject the grain offering?

>>40819843
Because God can literally do what He wants. And you can make shit up and try to put things where they don't fit but all you're doing is just making yourself look like a clown.

>>40819566 (OP)
In the small print of my catholic spanish bible it said that that story wasnt even "biblical" at its root. It was actually even older than genesis. Originally those two werent even adam and eve sons but the biblical authors that collected the spoken traditions integrated them as such. Originally the story was about some evil canaanites(therefrom comes *cain*) who wouldnt let the good hebrews(goat herders) pass through their lands, thus ruining their harvests. Literally the first ever recorded instance of muh holohoax over people defending their own against them. I bet the "slavery in egypt" is another such example. Even the way its told in exodus is full of holes and contradictions like, you mean these evil egyptians who wouldnt let the hebrews leave, at the same time had to *bribe* them, the jews, with all their gold and silver so they would leave? Maybe the stories in the bible did actually happen, only told through the perspective of the lying cheats kicked out of literally everyhwere even in the old testament

>>40819631
>>40819635
animals, since they were commanded to rise from the mud before mankind was deployed.
the anima part of someone, vs the conscious thinking animus.

>NONPP

>>40819843
yhwites are retarded anon, one can't reason with those tards. They can't handle the fact that El is the chief god of their pantheon, Hadad did most of the great feats and yhwh just exists to runs a protection racket lmao

>>40819858
No.

>>40819849
yhwh is not God. El is God.

>>40819838
>For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings.

Which is completely irrelevant since god kept demanding blood sacrifice

>>40819849
I asked you why not if he could

>>40819849
>Because God can literally do what He wants.
Appeal to authority. You don't actually care if YHWH is evil.

>>40819861
Pay attention to how there's no track in what you're arguing. You're like a man who has lost his senses and whose thinking pattern is erratic. You can't follow a discussion. You're jumping from one place to another and you're just not making any sense, at all.

All you're doing is just trying to pick stupid little fights and trying to upset me. You're still a child.

>>40819862
Jews were trying abuse it as a loophole. Don't argue these things if you don't understand the context.

>>40819864
You are asking me something only God can answer. Now you realize how pointless this discussion is.

>>40819865
He isn't and never was evil. It's not an appeal to authority, either. I fucking hate america with every fiber of my being.

>>40819566 (OP)
>fratricide is a civilizing force
Ok, retard.

>>40819862
yhwh is a blood parasite, a leech. Any time a blood sacrifice is prevented daddy El or one of his messengers has to come down and whoop yhwh away

>>40819875
>yhwh fangirl mad
Sorry I just speak facts if you can't even recognize El is the chief God of the abrahamic pantheon you're braindead and ignorant beyond reason. You're a spiritual toddler.

>>40819887
You have said your piece. I don't care to further a discussion with the likes of you. Good day.

>>40819875
>You are asking me something only God can answer. Now you realize how pointless this discussion is.

Why would god reject two equal offerings? That would not be fair

>>40819566 (OP)
It's not that Abel's offering was better or worse than Cain's - it's that Abel offered whole-heartedly, even if his offering was "less than" Cain's - Cain expected to have the superior offering, which is not an offering at all, but expecting a transactional relationship with God.

Cain was saying "My meats are better than Abel's fruit, You should value ME more!"

But Abel was offering what he could, with his whole heart. THAT is why God favored Abel.

>>40819875
>He isn't and never was evil
Because he says he isn't, right?

>>40819877
>The phrase "no more brother wars" has no deeper meaning
ok retard.

>>40819875
yhwh is a weak mountain godling who can't even compete with iron chariots and got whooped by some above average human fighter. Sinai isn't even that big of a mountain lmao

>>40819566 (OP)
>he doesn't know
>they became the fathers of music, metallurgy, """and nomadic herding"""

The Son's of Abel(Yaweh) are the pastoral nomads, most likely of the Sinai. The "Death" is probably symbolic of representative of persecution/slavery that those groups used to suffer from more advanced urban cultures(such as Egyptian or Phonecian city states and principalities). You see this reflected also in Moses legend during their exodus and captivity at the hands of people who aren't even what most consider "Caananite".

It's stated biblically that the Israelites invaded and subdued the Caananites; But a slave or "migrant worker" revolt could be just as likely. The legend represents something that happened either shortly before or after such things took place, it's a timepiece and the context is gleamed from the other books. It's no different from modern times where those who win write and determine the cultural context; Or the authors bias shining through(in this case it's obvious who).

Don't be foolish enough to think that those mantling older or archetypal forces are actually those forces. This is mythic and not literal as in the case of other books with pseudo historical backing/context.

>>40819875
>He isn't and never was evil
If god was evil would you know it?

>>40819889
Don't the the door hit you on the way out bitch

>>40819889
>with the likes of you
With knowledgeable people? Yeah you run away because we expose your ignorance.

>>40819896
I messed that up by reversing them, but the point stands.

>>40819901
>not posting the original where YHWH's Asherah also has a penis

Amazing how that mostly got wiped from the internet

>>40819895
>Why would god reject two equal offerings? That would not be fair
You are in no position to judge God. I know you'll probably get triggered at me saying this but that's simply because you just don't understand. Clearly, they weren't equal. God is perfectly fair in His judgments. God seeks deep within the heart of man, and we see that Cain was capable of murdering Abel. So clearly we can see that that hatred was in Cain's heart and if so, then the potential as well. Perhaps God saw no evil in Abel's heart.

1 Samuel 16:7
But the LORD said to Samuel, “Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.”

I know, you're going to have trouble accepting this because you are going to have to be forced to consider the fact that maybe you are trying to argue in favor of evil and accuse what is good as being evil but ultimately, i'm pretty sure that's why God favored Abel over Cain.

>>40819904
Yea, because I've witnessed Satan's influence so I can safely say I can differentiate.

>>40819919
>God is perfectly fair in His judgments
Because he says so, right? You should learn to formulate your own opinions. Oh wait the Torah says not to do that
>do not lean on your own understandings

>>40819923
I do formulate my own opinions, which is why I ultimately decided to read the Bible despite fucking idiots like you trying to push me away from it.

>>40819924
You act like reading the Bible is some magic bullet that instantly makes you love YHWH and obey everything he says. Many people read the Bible, and come to opposite conclusions about him than you

>>40819919
Is it just to rule unfairly? Answer

>>40819642
You are taking things litteraly in a mythic tale when that's only one way for it to be interpreted. Let me give you a hint as to another context of which the same thing is reflected. The meta historical cycle of the "City and the Pasture" as pic related. In this case the barbarians actually opted to write a book?

>>40819919
>Yea, because I've witnessed Satan's influence so I can safely say I can differentiate

How do you know ypu aren't being decieved?

>>40819924
Cain's offering was neither superior nor inferior to Abel's.

It was Cain's heart that was inferior to Abel's.

Case closed, and if you can't accept that....peace be with you.

>>40819932
He just knows, okay?!? the holy spirit o algo

>>40819926
Good for you, or whatever. I really don't care.

>>40819927
If seeking deep within the heart of the individual and looking at them in a way that they cannot hide anything from God is not fair, then what is?

>>40819932
That was something I've learned through time and experience. It's a journey.

>>40819934
That's literally what I've already stated and made clear. Thank you for repeating my point however.

>>40819945
Yeah sorry, I replied to the wrong post. You and I are on the same exact grounds here. Ignore these people. They are literally just mad at the idea of being judged for their heart, and not their weak-hearted offerings.

>>40819947
No apologies necessary. Trust me, I understand keeping track of post numbers gets a bit much when there's a lot going on. God bless you.

>>40819956
I guess that's that then, huh?

>>40819939
>If seeking deep within the heart of the individual and looking at them in a way that they cannot hide anything from God is not fair, then what is?

You didn't answer the question, try again

>>40819843
animals >>> plants
animals have way more investment and inherent value than grass.

>>40819945
>That was something I've learned through time and experience. It's a journey

So you think you coudn't be decieved by an omnipotent god?

>>40819958
You already said you were going. Why are you still here? Maybe you do care.

>>40819959
I don't need to. Your entire argument has already collapsed, and on top of that, you're already making assumptions that aren't true. You are clearly just trying to prolong a discussion that has long since run its course. Have a good day.

>>40819963
He doesn't deceive. You can go on living your life thinking He does, but you're the one who is missing out. Not me.

>>40819961
Why do bloody tagles of bloody muscle please god?

>>40819968
>He doesn't deceive.
Because he says he doesn't, right.

>>40819968
>I don't need to. Your entire argument has already collapsed, and on top of that, you're already making assumptions that aren't true. You are clearly just trying to prolong a discussion that has long since run its course. Have a good day.

It's so weird how this also doesn't answer the question; try to be a big boy and answer, third strike

>>40819975
Just because you have trust issues, doesn't mean I have to.

>animals only kill each other because of the fallen (satanic) state of the world
>somehow, killing animals and burning their flesh is pleasing to God

>>40819978
You must have lived a very sheltered life. Good for you.

>>40819968
>He doesn't deceive.

How do you know that?

>>40819951
God bless you too. Mark 6:11

>>40819981
>You must have lived a very sheltered life. Good for you.
I have gone through a lot, but what separates me from you is that I don't let that destroy the love in my heart.

>>40819984
I have much love in my heart. YHWH rules by fear and is the antithesis of love.

>>40819983
Amen.

>>40819970
probably due to the bonding. the sheep liked abel, he grew attached due to constant exposure. he cared for them, they loved him as a daddy figure. he'd inevitably feel himself ripping inside as he'd have to slaughter his favorite.
animals also absorb some of that soul stuff when they live with you. they become more humanlike.

>>40819987
You're entitled to your opinion. And that goes with whatever you have to say next. Have a good day.

>>40819993
So god likes human sacrifice? You are making jt worse

>>40819993
Ok, so how is YHWH not evil for accepting this kind of emotionally taxing sacrifice from Abel? If God asked you to kill a beloved animal, would you do it? Would you feel good about it?

>>40819998
not all humans are equal...

>>40819994
Hope you actually leave this time but it's interesting seeing other people also not able to get a straight answer out of you. "You're entitled to your opinion" is what people say when they can't continue the argument.

>>40820003
Only the choicest human victims for yhwh the demon, right?

>>40820002
i'm not into YHWH, but if a God i fully respected and submitted to gave me a good reason, i wouldn't enjoy it, it would be heart wrenching, but i know the spirit inside goes on, we always come back. so "would i", depends on context. it'd have to be a really good reason, and i'd make myself do the difficult needful if that were the case.

>>40820011
If a god I fully respected asked me to kill one of my animals that I loved I would no longer respect that god

>>40820011
>gave me a good reason
God demands and doesn't explain

>>40819896
>but expecting a transactional relationship with God.
This makes the most sense above the rest of the theories being thrown around in this thread.
>>40819987
All deities rule by fear for the most part. Have you not read of all the stories where even pretty little Aphrodite and Ishtar punish people unfairly because they feel slighted? They don't really love their subordinates, instead they demand to be loved and worshiped or else get punished if offerings to them start lacking.

>>40820014
Its actually the worst experience when you are forced to do it or its done on your behalf for a deity you don't respect.

>>40820028
>pretty little Aphrodite and Ishtar punish people unfairly because they feel slighted?
Those two are among the worst ones any astarte-like deity is chaos and fickleness

>>40820028
>This makes the most sense above the rest of the theories being thrown around in this thread.

And it is the heart of this thread. The people who say "I worked hard, toiled, and then I gave my BEST offering to God - now *HE* owes me something!"

It does not matter if you offer a fruit, a lamb, a piece of lint from your pocket. It matters to say "Lord, this is all I have, please accept it".

In Genesis chapter 3, there is a description of a sexual seduction of Eve by the Serpent, which is described as a parable. In spite of the text of Genesis 4:1, a verse which is known by mainstream scholars to contain a gloss, Cain was not Adam's natural son. Rather, as a result of the transgression described earlier in the chapter, at Genesis 3:15, we see a promise of a prolonged struggle between the seed, or offspring, of the Serpent, and the seed, or offspring, of the woman. The first expression of this struggle is in the murder of Abel. The sowing of Cain by the Serpent, as well as the Genesis 6 event with the Nephilim, is what Christ had described in the parable of the Wheat and the Tares found in Matthew chapter 13. These events must represent the sowing of tares by the devil, as the devils have no power to create, but they certainly may corrupt the Creation of God as they are doing even today.

>>40819566 (OP)
Note that after the slaying of Abel; Qayin gets "protection from the Lord; promising that whoever tries to strike Qayin down would be strucken down sevenfold themselves ("Thorns").
Qayin might be the same being as God; as the "founder of the first city; ie Civilization overall" etc. God is described as a King of some sorts; who might enjoy blending in in society.
Stuff surrounding "Qayin" might be tests on those in his surroundings rather than tests on him. Q is of mysterious origin; not genetically related to the Adamites; just growing up in "an adoptive family" (people of Qliphothic origins are not born naturally; but rather show up with "conceptually generated adoptive parents" around them in their childhoods).
Q might be Gods "DM character"; ie Gods physical prescence in Genesis; who goes off doing things outside field of view. Qayin is rumored to be immortal.

The Dragons (the true Monarchs) enjoy blending in overall; public faces of Monarchy is always "Royal Guard proxies".
Loads of "stealth stuff" (metaphysical stats etc; study Pesha line of Nod in LF3)

>>40819566 (OP)
>Cain symbolically rejected a cosmology that elevated animal slaughter and tribal blood rituals above intellect, labor, and sustainable life.
not to completely shoot down your theory, but agricultural ceremonial rituals often sacrificed humans and sprinkled the blood/flesh over the fields. (the Abel slaying could just be a retelling of the human sacrifice ceremonies that agricultural cultures practice)

>>40820054
Qayin is wholly of the Qliphoth (which takes place before the formation of the "Dayside Malkuth" and tree of life overall) .

"Malkuth" is a "fasade society". Loads of fun going on behind the scenes.
The world was "conceptually generated" with the Modern Era as the origin state of the world; ie human history is "conceptually generated background history" which has been played as strategy games (ie people have had the chance to set up background stuff strategically during specific periods of human history).
Majority of historical population was "Necropolis population"; ie "hollow undead racial group"; infrastructural population; see Necropolis in Heroes of might and magic 3.
Most natural humans started existing during 1900's.
Genesis etc is anology for things here in the modern day era; the key to the bible is "assume it's all about here and now rather than some theoretical historical era in the past" and it all makes more sense.

>>40820038
Nah fuck off leech you're not entitled to my labor. I actually have a divine spark unlike you, low frequency demiurge yhwh.

>>40820084
Yes, you have a spark - but you elevate your own spark above YHWH. And that is what makes *you* the demiurge - a prisoner of your own rage at a God above you.

>>40820038
I dont subscribe to worm theology, I have too much dignity for that

>>40820112
Good. Because pride comes before the fall.

>>40820114
Unlike you i have self respect. You could never understand, since your entire spiritual worldview revolves around how evil and wretched you believe you inherently are. Its sad, really. I feel bad for you.

>>40820122
You couldn't begin to comprehend my spiritual worldview. I was made in God's image. God contains all the potential for both good and evil. I just know how to balance them a bit better than you. Grow up.

>>40820100
yhwh is not God. yhwh can't reach the Monad, yhwh is a crybaby mountaon godling obsessed with foreskins.

>>40820152
>muh monad
>muh foreskins

Reddit-tier Aeon ragebait :) If your "Monad" can't contain wrath, chaos, betrayal, inversion - you're chasing a neutered abstraction, and pissing yourself when you see a shadow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If7YwosxEhI&ab_channel=FuneralMist-Topic

Here is some very good music btw.
Good lyrics.

>>40820170
It contains them but isn't defined by them unlike your jealous mountain godling.

>>40820184
If you admit the Monad can contain those things, then what is the difference between monad and YHWH? Or do you want a God who simply exists without acting?

>>40820189
yhwh is just a whiny jealous baby that demands blood, El even sent his most trusted messenger to stop him from demanding firstborns (Abraham)

>>40820202
All I hear is cowardice larping as transcendance. You can't stomach a relational God who enters human history. You want God as metaphor, philosophical masturbation, but not a God who demands blood and then bleeds for you.

>>40820213
>bleeds for you
When? your godling got bested by Jacob im hand to hand combat and then couldn't do shit vs iron chariots. A fucking fae would be more useful and those only expect a little bread or flower offering lmao.
>inb4 Christ bleeds for us
You mean El's son. You do realise Christ chanted "Eli, Eli lama sabactani" not "yhwh, yhwh", right?

>>40820242
Sacrificing others is qliphotic and low vibrational, self saceifice is noble and based.

>>40820235
>got bested by Jacob im hand to hand combat and then couldn't do shit vs iron chariots
Entirely the point. Only a mighty God could allow Himself to be bested and then turn it into salvation.
>You mean El's son. You do realise Christ chanted
Another point you entirely miss. He called to the most high, and then he descended into the abyssal womb.

>>40820267
>turn it into salvation by making your descendants pariahs hates by everyone
lmao butthurth yhwh is butthurt.
>He called the most high
So you agree El is the Elyon who has to tard wrangle his retarded kid yhwh.

>>40820289
I can tell you're stuck in Bronze age pissing contests. Trying to project domination onto a system designed for fractal paradox and recursion. Come back when you've learned the meaning of apokatastasis.

>>40819609
>>40819631
>>40819638
>>40819648
God literally created the first blood sacrifice after kicking Adam and Eve out of the garden you absolute tard. He's the one that started the tradition.
>inb4 w-we don't know that god killed the animal to make the skins!
Except 2000 years of christian religious orthodoxy states otherwise. Blood sacrifice (not just a blood sacrifice but a blood sacrifice from God himself) to cover adam and eves' sins and their shamefulness = foreshadowing of jesus' sacrifice. This is 1st day Sunday school stuff. So go ahead and argue against the established views of your own religion to try and prove your idiotic point.

>>40820295
You talk of ἀποκατάστασις and yet you equate God with the very representation of bronze age mystics and local mountain godlings and chieftans lmao.

>>40820321
Not to mention, God rejecting Adam and Eve's fig leave coverings in favor of animal skins is analogous to the Cain and Abel sacrifice story. God always wanted bloodshed.

>>40820329
Transmutation =/= Erasure.

>>40820329
>>40820335
Consider it this way - do you think Jesus died entirely for our sins only? Or perhaps YHWH allowed Himself to suffer as a human, for the violence and bloodshed He commanded us in the past. *That* is recursion. That is a God who changes with us. He did not come to abolish the law, He came to fulfill it.

>>40820054
accurate

>>40820363
>that is a god who changes with us

If you actually read the Bible you'd know YHWH says he never changes

>>40819642
Cain offered God what God grew. Abel offered what God provided the food for. Stop being so fucking retarded.

>>40820403
Malachi 3:6 - I do not change.
Exodus 32:14 - And the Lord repented of the evil which He thought to do

Welcome to a paradoxical God who embraces ascent via descent. If you would sit on these things instead of knee-jerk replying, you might begin to realize something.

>>40820063
there's a cut quest in skyrim, it's completely up to the player to noootice it, and the environmental storytelling is very limited and you gotta take a lot of leaps of faith to get the story.
iirc it was "old rorikstead". a very small but lore-dense farming village with quite a lot of dialog and attention put into it.

there's youtube docus on it.

>>40820363
yhwh wishes he was the logos incarnate lmao the archon who repented was sabbaoth

>>40819566 (OP)
Offerings to God are about the love, and Cain had none - as evidenced by his reaction.
Like so many materialists trapped in this realm, you are are so focused on the tangible aspects of the gift, you are blind to what really matters to God.

>>40819566 (OP)
[Gen 4:3-4 KJV] 3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD. 4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

THE FIRSTLINGS. Abel's heart was in it.

You can thank me later for teaching you how to read.

>>40820446
One of these days you'll realize Sophia is a fanfic stand-in for Shechinah / Lilith as abyssal womb, the Tehom that the spirit of God hovered over.

But yes, sperg more Apocryphon of John at me.

>>40820414
>ascent via descent
that sounds like sabbatean frankism, those wacky chabad cannibal pedophile necromancers

>>40820472
Sabbateans hijacked the descent framework and turned it into transgressive garbage. It's like almost getting the point, then veering hard-left into what-the-fuckery.

>>40820464
>schizo incel yhwh still seething at Asherah refusing to sex him
Are you still pretending astarte ishtar is male (astoreth->astaroth) and hence why he also rejected you?

>>40820472
ascent via descent is kike cope. They worship an evil blood thirsty god and have always done so.
There's a reason why their heaven is below us, they explicitly descent into the merkabah in throne mysticisim.

>>40820496
>>40820502
Astarte ≠ Lilith.
Asherah ≠ Tehom.
Astaroth ≠ Ishtar

Conflating Astarte-Ishtar with Astaroth is like saying Lilith is Baphomet because they both have tits in some drawings.

The Bride is the abyssal womb. Plain and simple. God seeds chaos, potential emanates.

>>40820513
And even still these aren't hard binaries. They're all masks of an archetypal essence. The womb.

>>40820513
why did you reply to me. Your post have nothing to do with merkabah ritualistic practices.

>>40820547
Because I'm the anon you were talking about, silly.

>>40820547
>>40820551
Just to clear things up:

Merkavah throne ritualism = Ancient jews trying to break into God's throne room.

Sabbatean mysticism = Turning "ascent via descent" into paedo what-the-fuckery

One practice completely avoids descending, the other side descends so far they'll never ascend.

The whole point is to descend only as much as you can gather the spark of light from the descent and carry it back up, without becoming tainted.

>>40820579
>spark of light from the descent
What does this refer to?

>>40820534
What womb?

>>40820617
If you descend into Gamliel, you're not supposed to stick around for an orgy and fuck every demon succubi. You're supposed to realize that Lust is an inversion of Sacred Intimacy.

>>40820622
The womb that God hovered over in Genesis. Tehom. The "deep waters". It's a womb, bro. It's a cosmic pussy.

Imma level with you guys. In my experience with this I have found that anything born of the Abrahamic religions is a mistake. I dont care if "it works" because you get results messing around with magic that it didnt even create. Its not right and doesnt connect well. Not good for the soul either. Just broken minds constantly transforming and fragmenting into nonsense.
>>40820637
Its all made up brain shit that doesnt actually give you real insight into anything. There is no womb nor abyssal waters. Fluids are good holders but it doesnt mean its an actual "entity".

>>40820637
I forgot to mention that its just mostly comes across as an opportunity for people to experience sexual indulgence without actually any purpose or insight.
I suppose thats the Atenism influence.

>>40820647
You're half right - Abrahamic religion is full of bad takes.

But we're not talking about literal waters. We're talking about cosmic space pussy. What do you think they were talking about? A big black chaos ocean? That's fucking outer space, bro. Genesis is a big metaphor for God busting a nut in the space-womb. The "Big Bang".

>>40820661
Tohu returns to Tikkun through the union of opposites. Spirit and Womb, Logos and Tehom, Christ and Lilith.

>>40820459
Why would I love YHWH? What is remotely lovable about him?

>>40820707
Nothing is remotely lovable about YHWH, if you don't love yourself and deny being made in His image. But if you accept that God is both perfect and flawed, just like you, that He's capable of good and evil, just like you, you might find something to appreciate in Him.

>>40820715
>His image
We are made in their image (Elohim)

>>40820707
I have no idea why anyone finds the Christian presentations of the Supreme Person attractive.
Nevertheless, that love is the determining factor.

>>40820723
Okay, yeah - I'll give you the plurality in Genesis. I see this as God's dual halves though.

>>40820723
>>40820740

To add - it's that plurality that should make anons fucking ECSTATIC about being made in God's (Their) image. Because it means God is schizo, just like us. And that's fucking beautiful.
And I'm sorry to anyone who had to endure a shitty fundamentalist upbringing that tried to sanitize God as this weird bloodthirsty-yet-somehow-perfect being of Light. Because He's also a being of Dark. He's _everything_. Up, down, left, right, Good, Evil, lust, intimacy, every potential is contained in God, just like you and me.

What's wrong with blood returning to God, its source.
The source from which you are born is the blood of your mother's womb, the blood of your father's seed, the blood of your ancestors which were created by God.

>>40819566 (OP)
Yahweh wasn't too much of a fan of the whole civilization thing, at least early on. See: having one language and building a big tower being a punishable offense.

ITT: kike religion argued about

meat tastes better. doesn't matter if it's beef, chicken, fish, lamb, etc. all tastes better than veggies. we need fat. try going without protein and fat. however, if you ate a meal entirely of meat, it also feels like something is missing, the "sides". i always need at least one side, and i solve this problem by having fresh-cut fruit, a simple apple or orange, nothing fancy. and it really goes well with the meat. but i struggle to eat meat alone. i have to have something with it, like a pickle, mac-n-cheese, etc.

then on the flip side you have these hardcore vegans, vegetarians, and climate-concerned faggots who are always lecturing others about the climate, or animal cruelty. the fact that they are obnoxious leftists who are weaker, suggests that they are simply wrong, dumb, and to be ignored. thus this cain vs. abel stuff can be seen as an allegory that's relevant today.

>"meathead" gymbro who enjoys mostly protein is seen as a dumbfuck evil jock who destroys nature & the enviro, by his opposite, the weak sillycon valley techfags who are "compassionate" and care about climate, who are "plant-based"

both sides hate each other, one side is clearly wrong if you measure based on strength or smarts. these same techbros created "artificial intelligence" that is rapidly causing layoffs and replacing jobs, often their own (microsoft layoffs for example).

>but i like salads!!!!
yea note that salads only taste good due to the dressing, which contains fat in the form of seed oils like canola and onions (hard to find one that isn't primarily made from one of those), and add ins like eggs, bacon, chicken. yeah i like salads too but only when they include everything mentioned (dressing, eggs, like a cobb). try eating a salad without dressing or the add-ins. that's why vegans look like shit. check how jennifer connelly looks now. even though i'm horny i still wouldn't fuck her boney-lookin body in its current state.

>>40819566 (OP)
Cain's was a reminder of the Garden that was lost, Abel's was a symbol of man's direction post fruit.

Worship Jesus.

>cities are actually good guys!

No

>>40819566 (OP)
>became the fathers of music, metallurgy, and nomadic herding
holy fuck
well this is the proof right here isn't it
the limited hangout given by daniel quinn etc. is that the story is a metaphor for agriculture vs. pastoralism, but we see here both modes of life descend from cain
the "animals" abel was asked to sacrifice were not animals
>>40819620
>>40819635
>>40819642
his own children
>>40819616
this is not the real cain
the real cain is a humanitarian, a father of civilization and a just executor of pedovores and child abusers both. the current 218 stuff is all about killing animals and viciously cursing people over petty slights, stuff cain hates
if you're going to dive into qlipphothic stuff without even the light of horus to protect you you're going to have a bad time. don't approach this stuff unless you're already well-versed in qabbalah and can see through the tricks these creatures are pulling

>>40822068
this is basically the swan-song of abel, actually, almost word-for-word, gnawing on a toddler's femur
>>40820054
>>40820074
this is cope by the sons of seth/set, used to position their qlipphotic masters over (You) as false proto-ancestors when in fact they are the broken shells your ancestors crushed under their feet. cain is the true son of adam by eve, the fruit of the knowledge of good (lawful sex) and rightful inheritor of the world

>>40819566 (OP)
Abel's sacrifice is the representation of how to escape clown world.

reject agriculture

>>40819843
because Able offered the best he had, from his soul, and Cain didn't. God told Cain to try harder and he would have the blessing as well, Cain didn't want to try harder, got mad and turned his anger to his brother and slayed him.

>>40825007
>>40819843
God rejected the spirit in which the offering was offered

>Cain offers God veggies
>God doesn't like them
>Abel offers God the delicious animal meats
>God approves
>Cain takes the two data points he's been given and extrapolates that God prefers more intelligent food over less intelligent food
>Cain kills Abel and gives his meats to God to test his theory
>God says "Tsk, tsk, how could you do such a thing"
>"I guess instead of leaving you to be a farmer for the rest of your life I'll just have to make you unkillable, let you build the first city, and have your descendants be some of the first musicians and metalworkers. But don't you get any ideas that I approve of what you've done!"

>>40819838
>Hosea
8:13 is also pretty clear about the real self serving purpose of people too eager to burn offerings "for" God

>>40820679
>the union of opposites
Sometimes this just creates chaos, not balance or actual union.

Zohar says sacrifices have been abrogated since the destruction of the second temple and that whoever wishes to burn fat and blood to God, let him do his own, by fasting

>>40820060
so we can become like al khidr? if so, how?and what can you say about the quran and islam? al khidr is portrayed in a good light in quran, but qayin is not. why is this

i thought those characters as cain and abel were metaphorical not literal.

so dragons inhabite the qliphoth? how are their families generated?


>>40820074
how have you come to that realization? what does hollow undead racial group mean?
what did change in 1900s and why?

>>40820088
who is the thoughful el and what are the realms of unthoughfulness?

have you confirmed by yourself the autenticity of the content you share? have you received the chaosofic gnosis there described?

>>40820120
where this book and the al khidr and qayin one from? title?

share more books please. amazing content really exciting

and please explain the conection between this and al khidr and the quran

>>40820074
how was it comceptually generated? and what are the mechanics or science behind ts generation? who generated it, and with what purpose?

who wrote the bible? and the quran? ypu say the music bideo was manifestec from qiphlotic realms what about these books? and talking about books what about ramayana and baghavad gita? thanks

>>40819566 (OP)
You almost got it. Read picrel, it explains this whole story.

>>40819609
your fixating on the ritualization of the process we all have a sacrificial pyre in our midst and all the living tend the flames diligently

lmao seething cainites got btdo'd in this thread and can't stop coping just like cain himself
go ahead, offer some fruits again, see what happens

>>40824392
what can I do to have protection of the lifht of horus? and what is that light exactly?

Honestly this discourse is not really getting anywhere and it always delves into shit flinging.

I want hard science that will explain the quantum ramifications to doing blood sacrifices vs other kinds of sacrifices.

But also what entails sacrifice after all because its meant to be of one's own self, but ultimately blood sacrifice is just spilling some other creature's blood which likely does not include consent from that victim.

I think the whole idea of doing it without the expectation of a transaction from God might be the clue in this rivalry in particular.

>>40819566 (OP)
>Cain, not Abel, was humanity’s true firstborn.
you're unto something OP im monitoring this trhead

>>40828172
The world was generated in a similar way to how "randomly generated worlds" are generated in video games like "Dwarf Fortress".
"On X day of creation randomly generated animal life was generated; and the lord saw it was good" etc etc.
Note the term "free masonry" etc; buildings have not per default been built by physical human beings; stuff sort of exists as finished architecture; a lot of stuff on the store shelves show up "from the internet etc"; not everything is manually produced by real people in factories.

The Bible etc is "randomly generated mythological text"; the key to understanding it is that it's "anology for the modern era"; Eden is still going on.

>>40828545
We likely have different source origins and we are all fighting with each other much like we argue over favorite which TV series is better. Who knows...

>>40828136
>i thought those characters as cain and abel were metaphorical not literal.
Qayin refers to an individual real person; a person who has achieved "Apotheosis"; ie "Achieved Godhood"; Abel represents a group of people; "bland normie adamites" of a specific ideology; those who started a spiritual conflict with Q during early spiritual awakening.
Liber Falxifer 3 presents a system to walk in Qayins footsteps.
> al khidr is portrayed in a good light in quran, but qayin is not. why is this
Qayin is presented many different ways in mythology; stuff like "Zeus and Odin" is conceptually generated names for the same being in different geographical areas local spiritual mythology.
Q is also "high stealth individual"; pic related.
Full chapter:
https://archive.org/details/liber-falxifer-iii-the-book-of-the-52-stations-of-the-crosses-of-nod/page/126/mode/2up

>>40828148
>have you confirmed by yourself the autenticity of the content you share? have you received the chaosofic gnosis there described?
Yes, have real world experience of this stuff (the path leads to direct physical experiences; leads "a bit outside of Eden"; ie into "surreal states of reality"). Put it to praxis and you'll guaranteed experience the same sort of stuff; makes atheism impossible.

>>40828162
>where this book and the al khidr and qayin one from? title?
Liber Falxifer 3 linked earlier this thread.
Some quotes are from Liber Falxifer 2.
Also "Book of Sitra Achra: A Grimoire of the Dragons of the Other Side".
Books by "N.A.A-218" is "Qliphothically Generated"; they have a surreal vibe over them "describing things that hasn't happened yet or is happening here and now; published in the past; described "in past tense"."
They're direct "lifestyle guidebooks" for those attuned to the path (218/182 current).
Leads to full-time lifestyle for those looking for a different lifestyle (ie people who feel "done with Eden"; tutorial level Fasade society).
Ie books literally lead towards alternative dimensions and other cool stuff; leaving Normie society behind and getting "behind the scenes education".

>>40819631
>Cain and Abel are both offspring of Adam and Eve
Seth was the offspring of Adam and Eve.
Cain and Abel were the result of Eve's rape by the Archons. This is the separation of humans and humanoids, as told by jews that wrote Genesis. The characters represent species and bloodlines, not individuals.

>>40828545
>>40828586
There's a reason even the woman who magically defeated Hitler barely mentioned the broken shells in her book The Mystical Qabbalah and didn't refer to any by name. Reminder that this fanfic/memetic assault vector was made up by Scandinavian satanists who literally want to destroy this reality and everyone in it. Even says as much on their Wikipedia page. Beware

>>40828939
The woman likely "defeated" Hitler because she created him and oversaw his actions for the narrative she wanted to push.

>>40828605
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_the_Black_Light
These are the guys you follow? Why. Why you wanna get anons involved in this retardation?
>In the summer of 1997, Josef Ben Meddour was murdered by members Vlad [author of the book screenshotted throughout this thread] and his accomplice Jon Nödtveidt. This act was described by the police to be a homophobic hate crime. When Nödtveidt and Vlad were arrested for the crime respectively on the 15th and 18 December 1997, the police discovered satanic altars in the homes of the two suspects. A human skull was also found at Vlad's home, for which he was charged with possession of human parts. According to the police, the cult never had more than a handful of followers.
>During their investigations, the police interrogated the early former member of the Temple of the Black Light, and Vlad's girlfriend (who had reported him for aggravated domestic abuse) who described the organisation and narrated the occult ceremonies they had attended. Rituals included meditation, invocations of demons, and animal sacrifices—namely cats, which Vlad bought through classified ads. During the weeks that preceded the murder of Josef ben Meddour, Vlad had been more and more extremist in his speech, and the idea of performing human sacrifices, followed by a mass suicide, was discussed at length. During a meeting at Nödtveidt's home, a list of possible victims was made. It included the former follower who had defected, band members from Dissection, and even Nödtveidt's girlfriend.
>These plans led to the defection of some members of the Temple of the Black Light, who did not want to take part in any assassination, or who feared for their own lives. As a result, when the arrests were made, the number of active members was down to three: Nödtveidt, Vlad, and Vlad's girlfriend.

>>40828952
Dion Fortune did create a magical organization that exists to this day and doesn't accept schizos or neets as per their website, but I doubt she was masterminding both sides of the war

>>40828963
Books aren't authored by humans; the people surrounding "what's publically known about totbl for the uninitiated" mostly leads to confusion; ie approaching said books from the point of view of "assuming that the books were authored by hand by a group of humans getting together writing books" leads to confusing theories.
People in totbl includes stuff like Nefirtiti of ancient Babylon+Egypt etc.
Books offer direct initiations through the spiritual systems presented; direct insights are achieved through working with the books.

>>40829069
ie people like Jon Nödtveidt of Dissection is just people who have generated music based on the currents mythology. Theories overempathising the band Dissection is based on "trying to find some sort of atheistic explanation to the books publishing". Anyone working directly with the books spiritual systems quickly realize that such theories are quite irrelevant; work directly with the sigils of said books instead.
Already in the "MLO era" there was a lot of "fasade work" going on; in reality there was people like "Carl Gustav Bernadotte" working with stuff; that kind of information is hard to reach any other way than direct initiation into the 218/182 current.
Study the books directly rather than google for "outside point of view theories". Loads of "military grade secrecy" in reality.
Stuff like "Q-anon: trust the plan" is directly "Qayinite" in origin.

>>40819566 (OP)
Faggot take by a faggot Jew

>>40829091
>>40829069
Yes we get it, it's a current, its alive. Haven't seen one good argument for why a human being should grab onto it though, it's the sort of thing to keep classified, in the hands of high adepts. This is like housing a hyena and a marsupial wolf in your museum. They're getting blood on the paintings and smashing the Ming vases. Even if you don't care about the tourists or your own docents you should at least care about that.
To a qabbalist, Cain is a creature of Yesod, not the scattered shells. He is from the land of Nod, he is a creature of dreams... Fairies are his children, and monsters.
The ultra-dark entities you're promoting here have nothing to do with him or his story, they are not monsters of this earth, they are embodiments of impossibly horrific vice built along recognizable patterns, a byproduct of the Hebrew alphabet like nuclear waste... If you're hooked on these beings at least read what Crowley and Fortune had to say on the topic. And if you're not involved with it, stay away!

>>40829245
>Haven't seen one good argument for why a human being should grab onto it though
Becomes clear when reading Liber Falxifer 3.
"Our Masters becoming"; and how to follow in his footsteps; ie how to become more than Human yourselves.
The "Nephilim" etc of mythology. Spiritually advanced beings.
The books teaches advanced metaphysics; "meta-spirituality"; "spiritual powergaming"; and similar stuff.
Advanced comprehension of how the world we live in works; and the fact that there is "real world physically real alternative dimensions" and such; has been physically experienced in short periods of time; LF3 is the path towards "planning to live in such alternative dimensions"; "Qliphothic hell-dimensions" etc; for those who enjoy that lifestyle. "Anti-cosmic things"; ie "highly unnatural 'mirror-dimensions'";
"The Black Earth (Nahemoth)" of the Qliphoth is a real "Dark World"; see "zelda games dark world etc".
Current operations is preparations for permanent lifestyle "Black Earth explorations"; the people of the same kind are working together spiritually on gathering up physically to go "Back to Ain"; to live in "Glorious Qliphothic Hell-Dimensions" permanently.

>>40819566 (OP)
The bible makes it very clear that God wants us to remain ignorant primitive animals.
The fall of Man was literally just humans discovering morality.

>>40828605
what is the 218/182 current?
if theynare qliphotically generated, then how was the quran where both qayin and al khidr appear generated? who is the deity (al lah that translated as the god or the deity) and the muhammad depicted there according to this vision. because if there is mention of al khidr then there must be mention of the quran muhammad and islam in the same sources. and how you conciliate the idea of qayin and al khidr being the same individual, if the mention of each one in the quran is opposite. that is a contradiction, that is why I ask, I have real interest in knowing more about the path you share

who is the thoughful el, and how are the ones in the realms of unthoughfulness more benefical for mankind?

how was reality before 1900s? you said people was like might and magic 3 necropolis... explain this please. how is past procedurally generated?

>>40829245
how did the hebrew alphabet produce those monsters?

>>40819566 (OP)
>killing your unarmed brother is actually OK

truly psychotic reasoning, truly satanic

>>40829427
why are the qliphotic hellish glorius dimension better than the heavenly ones?
and why would I want to inhabit the ones with monstrosities?

and how is the origin of the conflict between the thoughtful el and the entities in realm of unthoughtfulness got started?

>>40830256
>how is the origin of the conflict between the thoughtful el and the entities in realm of unthoughtfulness got started

Conflict between beings in the spiritual council (Pantheon); where some of the "Naga" took the path of trying to implement restrictions; together with the Adamites; to make the world we live in more "restrictive and boring"; by adapting "adamite ideology"; people preferring an "anti-spiritual lifestyle"; being against "Spiritual Powergaming" (maximizing spiritual values; like powergaming in any video-game; maximizing anything beneficial one has access to) and trying to restrict others from doing so.
"The thoughtful impulse" is "overthinking things and trying to develop some sort of restrictive spiritual system that will never work in praxis in the long run".
When you go through spiritual education you'll quickly learn what this means; which kinds of "spiritual negotiations" is going on (a group of freemason order members are doing dumb things; wanting to automatically become enlightened beings just by being members of an order; without learning anything about the world first; people like Crowley etc trying to declare themselves "masters of their own path"; with no spiritual substance)

>>40830139
>explain this please. how is past procedurally generated?

By playing spiritual strategy games; things Monarchs do; and have done throughout the ages. "Necropolis population" is a type of "filler population"; "soulless undead who were never real humans"); ie infrastructural population making the kingdom we live in work without the "human factor"; study things like "The patriots in Metal Gear Solid 2" as an example.
Higher government, military etc is full of "surreal non-real people"; imps etc.
Society is a "fasade"; "Eden".
"infrastructural population" is "spiritual intellect only; not first-person percievers of reality".

TV etc is "vast majority not filmed physically irl"; being what "the matrix" is trying to convey; TV is "conceptually generated on the screen".

>>40830333

What is the spiritual council, how they were established into power?

who are the adamites exactly?

and why masons proclaim themselves the children of cain, children of fire or children of samael? how are they connected to this?

thanks for answer and trips checked

You're no-one important trust me. You might as well kill yourself and feed from my hand for your next pleasure trip.

>>40830360
what is spiritual intellect exactly? controlled by whom? whch is the center of that intellect and what is his her pr its will?

like programmed zombies without perception of self?

and what about imps? many people are de,on in disguise? or like vampires?


and who are the naga ?

and what are we human exactly. what am I exactly? how am I in this situation of limitation without being aware of it. and why are his council an authority to restrict others. theyy proclaim themselves as good but arent. and are fake authorities that promote spirtual castration. how those damned got into postitions of power and influence and how to end their shit? and with which purpose all this suffering and humilliation?

What was considered provaine within the aspect of cain was at the time for a gain of a brain. More or less drove me insane with the pain. But that's how it goes in the strain of the reign.

Meow.

>>40830406
Imps are like these imps from dungeon keeper basically.

>>40830365
>What is the spiritual council, how they were established into power?
The "pantheon" in the world is those who have achieved things spiritually; Gods/Demigods etc. Monarchy and Templar etc are part of spiritual politics. Vatican for example keeps track of what's going on spiritually.

See picture in >>40819624
btw for to understand where "repeating symbolism etc" comes from.
Loads of Diagrams etc specifying "patterns things are conceptually generated in"; Things are founded with the same "effective base structure patterns"; see stuff like "medieval caste structures" for example. "occult initiations" is going through stuff like "Knightly training"; to learn more about the Kingdom and how things works. Basically anyone can become a Knight ("Middle class") by having an interest in the subject; and being intelligent enough to spot all spiritual guidance going on around them.

>>40819566 (OP)
>Your God demands blood sacrifice
>You offer him some carrots
>He curses your bloodline for all eternity
Seems like a pretty easy faux pas to avoid in all honesty.

>>40830365
>who are the adamites exactly?
"natural humans"; people who are "quite distant relatives" of the "reptilians"; ie "primordial humans" (Reptilian means "Primordial"; in the animal kingdom reptilian animals are primordial ancestors of other animals; see how a dog has obvious heritage from crocodiles as an example).
>and why masons proclaim themselves the children of cain
some are Qayinites; some are not. Freemasons order is a "chess game". Loads of "non-human people" (imps) in said order keeping track of the political corruption that people on the losing side of said chess-game is exposing themselves. "Trust the plan" and such.

>how those damned got into postitions of power and influence and how to end their shit?
people have locked themselves down in weird negotiations. Needs to end quite soon; loads of ways to help speed that up. Eventually "revelation stuff" kicks in; "Kingdom come".
"Floods in genesis" is the same cataclysmic events as the apocalypse in revelations.

>and what are we human exactly. what am I exactly?
The different "legions of angels" in abrahemic mythology refers to the different populations of the earth. The population are similar to the "space marine legions in wh40k"; "Raphaels legion the Rephaim" etc is prevalent in police and doctors as an example; a specific group of brown haired people that usually has a specific style of facial hair one can recognize as a specific "racial group".

>>40830528
"Gabe Newell"; Steam guy; is the Archangel Gabriel btw.

>>40830549
Lol

>>40830556
Digital technology is not "naturally developed" btw. Computers work on Daemonology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_(computing)
People working in said sector tends to be spiritually active people.
You get involved in stuff like video game development when working with Qayin+Qalmana.
Tobacco here for example is heavily involved in video game stuff; from "Black in Green" chapter of Liber Falxifer 2.

>>40819566 (OP)
Vegetarian fingers typed this post

>>40830492
>demands blood sacrifice
Why does anyone think a moral god could do this?

>>40830780
Nowhere is it implied that Cain didn't eat meat, it's just how he made his living

>>40822068
>try going without protein and fat

Retarded. Vegetarian diet has lots of protein and fat. Just look at the micronutrients on chick peas.

It's literally just an ancient allegory about how Nomadic peoples (migrant animal herders, represented by Able) were out-competed by Cities (static, agricultural populations represented by Cain). Hence how Cain "kills" Abel, when the nomads moved into cities they adopted the lifestyle of the agriculturalists.

>>40819566 (OP)
Cain was the first Aryan

>>40819901
>The "Death" is probably symbolic of representative of persecution/slavery that those groups used to suffer from more advanced urban cultures

Yeah, the "death" of Abel is due to when the Cities were becoming increasingly advanced and militarily capable, there was no way for the migratory pastoralists to compete any longer, so they either went into the cities and became city dwellers (this would be a symbolical "death" of Abel abandoning his traditional way of life), or they became marginalized, living in the wildernesses that the militarized city dwellers chose not to go into. It's interesting to read the Bible with this in view, the Jews were quite stationary as long as they had their temple, but when that was destroyed they became wanderers again.

>>40831211
white man mythos in a nutshell

>>40819566 (OP)
>rooted in violence and the death of a sentient creature
and you believe Agriculture is not more of the same. hahahahahahahahahahaha

>>40819566 (OP)
So Cain and Abel were the sons of adam. But who did Cain fuck in order to make his offspring?

Maybe the reason god doesn't give a shit about us is thatbwe are not "humans" in the genesis sense. Maybe we are tainted by Cain's sin AND the genes of the weird ape monsters he fucked?

>>40834368
>Maybe we are tainted by Cain's sin AND the genes of the weird ape monsters he fucked?

Definitely. But for God's sake don't make the mistake of assuming that Cain is a person. It's referring to a multitude of people. Just like how Noah isn't just one guy.

>>40834368
you know genesis is just a bunch of corrupted babylonian myths that the kikes corrupted during their time in babylonian exile? take the fall of mankind for instance: in actuality it's a story about young Ishtar learning about making love. Fuck kikes.

>>40834519
Wrong on every count, retard; Genesis is an Egyptian book written by priests of Baal and later stolen / appropriated by the Hebrews, falsely attributed to Moses.

>>40819566 (OP)
But a sheep is a way more expensive sacrifice than just a mere vegetable. Abel dedicated more time to God by sacrificing an animal that you must feed and take care for years.

>>40830820
Are you not familiar with the power of blood? Ever dabbled in magic? Rituals?
Old testament God isn't the only one who wants blood, because it has power. Arguably the most out of commonly available ritual components.
Let's just all agree that Christians are pretty lucky the new covenant came along.

>>40834474
>Half of Genesis is the lineage of Noah.
>But he wasn't just one guy

the whole argument of this thread is something that the members of WEF would make, lmao. if God preferred red meat instead of grains, then i agree with him, i too prefer meats, and in fact, my ancestry comes from a long lineage of farmers, they are a diaspora in the new world (south america) and whenever i go the countryside, i get amazed with the farms and the amount of animals you know. you are gay OP, meat will always be superior to seed that you plant on the ground.

>>40834996
Qayin goes "outside field of view"; so the biblical mythology starts following "whichever normies the mythos can follow around".

Might be Q's stealth stats making "mainstream mythology" unable to follow him around describing what he has been doing? "Occult lore" = "hidden/secretive lore"

>>40834996
"Noah" in the Bible is not a person, it's referring to the time period when the flood happened (submerging of the lost continent of Pan).

>>40819566 (OP)
If you read the Book of Adam and Eve the offerings they gave were actually switched.

>>40830716
Anon this made me go on an insane spiral. I already knew about this on a surface level but started deep diving. Might have to make a thread.

>>40834538
stfu schizo.

>>40835646
kill yourself retard, unable to appreciate true schizoposting, what the fuck are you doing on /x/ even.

>>40831194
His mark is literally Hebrew, retard

>>40835642
Do it. Read these guidebooks to learn more;
Liber Falxifer 3:
https://archive.org/details/liber-falxifer-iii-the-book-of-the-52-stations-of-the-crosses-of-nod/page/27/mode/2up
Book of Sitra Achra:
https://archive.org/details/TheBookOfSitraAchra/page/n65/mode/2up

Teaches you "Meta-spirituality"; ie "how things work behind the scenes"

>>40835702
Thank you, Anon

bump

This Qayin stuff is pretty interesting.

>>40838474
Read the books for direct communications if you're looking for a new lifestyle.
You get a real proper "spiritual apprenticeship" through LF3. ie how to learn about real Magic and such; through apprenticeships.

>>40834519
Elaborate

>>40840660
I'm not him but I know for sure that he's wrong about that. As I've said before, Genesis was written by Egyptian priests of the god Baal, through divine inspiration.

>>40840694
Regardless I am more than happy to blame Ishtar for the fall of mankind because it would make sense considering all I have learned and experienced concerning that creature.

>>40840703
With all due respect Anon, whatever name you invoke be it Ishtar, Dagon, Baal or any other name of a supposed god that lived a long time ago, they are all going to be trickster spirits who falsely assume those names and pretend to be those gods. The real Ishtar, and Baal, and Dagon, and Christ, and Brahma (the list goes on) are far, far away from the earth's atmosphere and it is not possible to commune with them in any way. If anyone reading this seriously thinks that they are communing with [insert any name of a god / goddess here] then you are being fooled by trickster spirits. Doesn't mean that you are in extreme danger, but you are essentially like a little girl being led down a dark alley by a stranger who just gave you a false name, and you have no idea what so ever about their intentions, or where they are leading you.

>>40840719
Unironically Ishtar loves lost little girls to sexually molest and rape.
Are you an Ishtar cultist? Because it sounds like you are especially with that kind of verbiage and insults. I have plenty experience with your kind because you ruin lives in her name and try to keep her hidden so she and by extension yourselves are kept safe from taking accountability by blaming a male entity instead.
Dont play this game with me because I have been at it since I was 5 years of age.

>>40831189
>It's literally just an ancient allegory about how Nomadic peoples (migrant animal herders, represented by Able) were out-competed by Cities (static, agricultural populations represented by Cain). Hence how Cain "kills" Abel, when the nomads moved into cities they adopted the lifestyle of the agriculturalists.
Civilization cannot exist without slavery. You were born and raised on a farm. You're the livestock. The farmers are elite technocrats in service to elite banking families (in service to Satan himself).

They used to have to care about the livestock a bit. Keep them physically healthy and relatively sane. But now? Look around the farm. Walk into a Walmart sometime or go to an NFL game. Sit at a gas station and watch the livestock come and go for 30 minutes.

The livestock are FUCKED. The majority morbidly obese, dependent on psychoactive and other medication just to get through their hopeless day.

Civilization has always been organized slavery but now it is literally a hell where Jewish demons get their thrills by torturing)humiliating the goyim (literally cattle).

"Civilization"....lol ...you stupid fucking goyim.

>>40819566 (OP)
Goddamn, you're dumb cattle.

>>40840798
I wonder if this is being said ironically by someone used to getting called cattle just to call out the ones who call everyone cattle and it turns out they were being misled by dumbfuckery. Hehehe.
What an experience indeed!

>>40830716
>>40835642
>>40835702
nooooooooooooooo please spare me anon
also, steam. what is steam? something something
you sacrifice your time to phat moloch gaben and theres steam out of the nostrils of the bronze bull
or something

lets trigger some longnoses itt with picrel LOL

>>40841016
>I wonder if this is being said ironically by someone used to getting called cattle just to call out the ones who call everyone cattle and it turns out they were being misled by dumbfuckery. Hehehe.
>What an experience indeed!
I wonder where you learned to write.

>>40838666
>666
Okay then

>>40819566 (OP)
Yoshi

>>40819566 (OP)
Qain's offer=Diabeetus, deep depression due to B vitamins depletion, sedentary passive civilization
Abel' offer=OMNOMNOMBBQ

>>40825107

Pretty much.

>>40819566 (OP)
Meat is more nutricious and scarce than plants. Abel's offering was of greater value to him than veggies were to Cain.

>>40819566 (OP)
>sacrifice your favourite living creature to me
>does exactly that
>cursed forever
WOOOO FUCKING BUGGED WORSHIP MECHANICS ARTIFICIAL DIFFICULTY BULLSHIT HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW ?

>>40819566 (OP)
>Cain offered the fruit of the ground
this means men of clay not corn and potatoes, its The classic cannibal (cain+able) story.

>>40845431
that's not why he was cursed, he was cursed for committing murder

>>40819566 (OP)
That's wrong, both Abel and Cain are the same, just different things, and one is chosen and one is abandoned, it's simply a classic repress, or simply God likes to eat meat.

>>40819566 (OP)
1. Fuck you, A.I. slop. I see through you.
2. Who exactly is "God" and what did he really do to humanity?
3. CHLK is the word used for "fat" in hebrew when the passage reads that abel gave to God the fat of his youngest goat. This word is associated with cheese and milk, which are also associated with the youngest goat. Read deeper. The passage indicates that Abel successfully bred goats and harvested milk from the mother. That is to say, he captured them as wild animals, tamed them, bred them, and ultimately domesticated them. He civilized them. He made them in HIS own image through subjugation. He became a God.

4. God blessed Cain for his crime because he sees Cain's potential to dominate and subjugate others to his will through violence and lower vibrational energy, but sees that Cain needs time to grow into a "God" of his own, and a little help.

5. Your point that God is a charlatan and a dickhead stands.

But your analysis of why Abel's sacrifice is preferred is incorrect. This preference has nothing to do with God's sadism or bloodlust--though he is both sadistic and bloodthirsty, see blessing Cain--and everything to do with God's "plan," domination, subjugation, domestication. Making cattle in his own image. That is godliness as he sees it.

>>40846601
If God likes to eat meat, why did he prefer the vegetable offering of Abel over the animal offering of Cain. Did you misread the story, Anon?

>>40831194
This.

>>40846636
>continuing.
There is another layer to this. God sees Cain's desperation for HIS approval. He sees that Cain is the better pet, though abel more capable and "better." In Abel's murder, God sees a tool to ensure the subjugation and ultimate enslavement of humanity's most capable: those who are of the true nature of the true God: those who generate unity and are capable of leading a flock of blind sheep or goats without force, coercion, or violence. God is impressed by Abel and threatened by what he sees abel capable of doing because the way Abel prepared his sacrifice is distinct from Cain: it involves convincing through love others to work together and provide it for the one preparing the offering.
Cain accomplishes his offering through toil and strife and hard work, like the false God. He is ruthless and willing to do anything to win, like the false God. God sees himself in Cain, and that is why he allows Cain to seed civilization. Cain is in fact the father of civilization, and his descendants still are as well.
But not all of us are of Qayim, and it is a mistake to glorify his accomplishments. He fucks us with every trick the fancy hat enthusiasts of the world are using. He rapes our daughters and we don't do shit. And "God" loves it.

>>40846647
One is that God follows tradition so he doesn't choose people who live in the wrong system,
Second is that God is fair in an unfair way

Bluh.