>if God real why bad thing happen
There's still no satisfactory answer. God's plan can't work without a child being boiled alove by his shitty parents for crying too much?
Furthermore, if Adam and Eve have already been in this perfect reality with God, why did they fall? And if we die and go to heaven due to God's mercy, why wouldn't we fall again out of heaven? Or are heaven and the garden of Eden different states of existence? We can fall from the Garden but can't fall from Heaven?
What I mean to say is, if lucifer fell, and man fell, once we die and we're together with God and everything is explained, what's the bulletproof against falling again? What if God's plan is inadmissible or inexcusable?
What if, after we die and we learn the divine plan and reason for "why bad thing happen", what if the answer is unsatisfactory and we go "wtf God, that's stupid as shit"?
Is that the reason hell exists, is it because some people can't and won't accept God's explanation for why bad thing happen?

By the way I'm not denying God and rebelling, I'm just curious what everyone's answer for this is

>>40828498 (OP)
God creates everything. All things we consider bad aren't bad to God as it all comes from him. Child sacrifice, rape, murder etc are all from God, created by him, for his enjoyment. The fall of man was realizing the consequences of these things. You weren't supposed to think for yourself, you were supposed to be a dancing monkey for God's enjoyment. From God's point of view this world is just a better version of GTA for him to watch. Btw sin isn't doing what we consider bad, it is disobeying God's orders. You can commit genocide, take thousands of wives etc etc and still be free of sin if that's what God commands you to do.

>>40828498 (OP)
Ok Calvin.

>>40828498 (OP)
If God is real then we’re all spirits in a meatsuit and all the things you consider counterproofs to God are just one meatsuit slapping against another with no real consequence.

>>40828565
>one meatsuit slapping against another
Unf

>>40828582
Exactly, the point is that some of the very processes that OP considers disgusting and horrible are quite literally the reason OP can exist in the first place, and most of it is really gross sex shit.

This is either going to sound like gobbledy-gook or make perfect sense.
The fall of Adam and Eve, the casting out of Satan and the story of the prodigal son are all allegories for the “separation” from our perspective. We believe we betrayed God, and have been condemned and cast out of Heaven. In truth, in order to experience duality we had to pretend our Will split from His and we are completely separate beings. But wills that aren’t parallel must eventually collide and this can only be perceived as betraying God, hence the fearful stories of being condemned to roam the earth in fear.
Yet, just like the ending of the story of the prodigal son, Reality is waiting for us to drop our strange illusions of guilt and shame and return to Its happy arms

>>40828593
>meatsuit slap
I was referring to murder and so on.
In other words: you either believe wholeheartedly in Death, Decay and Corruption or God. Both Death and Eternal Life can’t exist

Who says it's bad?
You?
What do you know of God's plan and his definition of right and wrong, good and evil?
Everything is perfect.
This is heaven.
*smugs*

>>40828723
So God could pin you down and fuck you in the ass with his rockhard cock and you'd call it perfect? Interesting slave mentality.

>>40828731
Are you omniscient?
God is.
If you disagree with God, you can only be wrong.

>>40828498 (OP)
>There's still no satisfactory answer.
Yes. There is. You dont like the answers.
1 - This is what God wants.
2 - God cant do anything about it.
>God's plan
The very notion that you assert - God having a PLAN - means the second one. God is FORCEd to go about things in a certain way, or He doesnt get what He wants. That is "God cant do anything about it."
>what if the answer is unsatisfactory
You are welcome to do that. Those that reject God can come here, to sammsara, and make their own existence.
How is that working for you?

>>40828734
>If you disagree with God, you can only be wrong.
On factual matters, sure.
But not in terms of judgement.
A living being can 100% judge God to be evil.
It doesnt hold any sway or influence over God, but they are allowed to hold such an opinion.

>>40828498 (OP)
God is not just good or just bad, he is both, obviously. Not actually so hard to understand.

>>40828741
Incorrect, you will still be wrong when you judge God as anything other than good.
Choosing to be wrong is choosing to be ignorant, which is detestable.

>>40828747
A judgement has nothing to do with the amount of data you have.
An opinion cannot be factually wrong.
And whether you see God as good or bad is purely a subjective judgement.

>>40828758
>In my subjective opinion God is evil and does things wrong, that is my relative truth.
And in God's objective opinion you are wrong and that is absolute truth.
Delusional thinking leads one down a path that leads to the infamous reprobate mind of Romans 1:20.
The same condition that afflicts the those described as "perished" aka dead in 2 Thessalonians 2:11-13.
It's a subjective opinion that's so wrong it kills you and your soul.

>>40828767
>objective opinion
Nope.
God has SUBJECTIVE opinions, just like every living entity does.
Opinion has nothing to do with truth. Truth is there. Sentient beings evaluate that truth, and form judgements.
God saw that it was good.
Others can see that it is not.

>>40828770
Omniscient beings do not have subjective opinions because they know all things and hold absolute truth in their minds.
They have objective opinions.

>>40828498 (OP)
The Highest Authority would be indefinable since it would exist outside of everything.
Bad things happen because the painter needs a canvas to paint on.
The slab of marble gets chiseled at to create something new. All those chips discarded are just shit that happens.

>>40828781
>Omniscient beings do not have subjective opinions
Lol, another fool trying to limit God.
Of course God has opinions.
>they know all things and hold absolute truth in their minds
Cool. They also evaluate those truths, and hold judgements about them. Subjective ones.

>>40828734
So you admit that you would be okay with God coming down in human form in a masculine body, pinning you down, fucking your ass without lube and slapping your face with his dick. And you'd love it. You'd call it perfection.

I mean to each their own right? You like what you like.

>>40828783
>Bad things happen because the painter needs
Here we have another whose answer is God is limited, and NEEDS things.

>>40828793
God's opinions are objectively true and not subjective.
It's not a limitation.
The difference between a subjective and objective judgement is a subjective judgement can be wrong, while God is never wrong.

>>40828795
You mock but the way you think of God is only going to hurt you and fuck your metaphorical ass in the long run.
If you insist on pretending God's judgement can be wrong and yours can be right because it seems right to you with your limited perspective you can only ever suffer each time you disagree with God's judgement.

>>40828805
>God's opinions are objectively true and not subjective.
Nope. That is a definitional stupidity, confusing fact and judgement. Evaluation cannot be fact. though the existence of an evaluation is a fact.
It is objectively true that people judge God to be evil.

>>40828811
You're confusing human evaluation with God's evaluation.
I don't know what made you that stupid but I fear it may be terminal.
It is objectively true that people judge God to be evil in some cases.
It's objectively true that all those people are wrong.

>>40828822
>You're confusing human evaluation with God's evaluation.
Nope. You are confusing the difference between a limited living entity and an unlimited one, and it isnt the ability to evaluate.
You want to make God an object, remove His personhood and claim you can determine God's opinions without any consideration of God the person, the subject.
But god IS a person.
And people have subjective experiences.
Those lead to subjective evaluations.
You are trying to say God has no ability to do this, and that is retarded.

>>40828822
>all those people are wrong.
Wrong about their opinion?
what a stupid thing to suggest.
Tthey are the only ones that can determine their opinion.

>>40828830
lol ok well let's look up the words.
Subjective: Dependent on or taking place in a person's mind rather than the external world.
Objective: Existing independent of or external to the mind; actual or real.

So, can you list a hypothetical opinion of God's that is not mirrored 1:1 in actual reality instead of just in the mind?

>>40828835
Yeah, they can feel right, that is a delusion.
A delusion is a belief that disagrees with reality.
If your opinion is that you're six feet tall and God's opinion is you're 5'8" and we get a tape measurer and measure you, how tall will you be?

>>40828844
>Subjective: Dependent on or taking place in a person's mind rather than the external world.
By this definition, EVERYTHING is subjective, when regarding God. There is nothing external, and not of God.
> independent of or external to the mind
And what exists independent of God willing it so?
Nothing.
>A delusion is a belief that disagrees with reality.
Nothing they believe disagrees with reality. They believe they have an evil opinion of God.
And they do.
>If your opinion is that you're six feet tall
Once again you show you have no conception of the difference between opinion and fact.
Your height is a fact.
Whether you WANT to be that height, or whether that height is a GOOD height, is opinion.

what would light be without shadow? good without evil? do you truly want to return into being animalistic caricatures of what we could truly be? humans were created in the image of god and it is our duty to shape this world in the image of god as well, great evil only exists because we are failing in this mission. modern man sits still while the jew rape his children and plunders his wealth. if man is not to fight against evil in this world then who will?

>>40828865
>EVERYTHING is subjective, when regarding God.
yes, which is why he has objective opinions.
Omnipresence/omniscience.

No, they believe God is evil despite Romans 1 saying there's no excuse for that since everyone knows he's not.
If the Bible is not sufficient, they should know as humans their limited perspective could never allow them to accurately and fairly judge God as immoral being as he's God and not like...a king or a boss or whatever. He's infallible and they are not.

You opinion of a fact is independent of the fact itself.
It's entirely possible to have the opinion that you're six feet tall even though you're 5'8" it is the difference between relative truth and absolute truth.

>>40828805
Notice how you refuse to admit it?
I asked you two times now if you would call God fucking you in the ass perfection (because you said no matter what he does it is perfect) and you simply can't admit what a cute little slave faggot you are.

>>40828874
>what would light be without shadow?
Ever-increasingly bright.
You apply polarity because you are working only from the experience of the limited. there is a limit to how much light you can understand. But in a place without that limit, you can have light without ever experiencing shadow.
Just like goodness.
If every moment is BETTER, then you can understand good without ever understanding evil.

>>40828882
If that you're definition of winning, that I won't humor your thinly veiled ad hominem crybaby attack, go for it.
My job isn't to fix your mind if it is indeed a mind that doesn't care about truth there's nothing anyone can do for you, you're already dead.

>>40828498 (OP)
Bingo, god is both good and evil
Keep contemplating this concept until you are able to assimilate it, and you will have taken a step further towards liberation

>>40828881
>>EVERYTHING is subjective
>which is why he has objective
lol, you are stupid.
> they believe God is evil despite Romans 1
Whether they read a book or not does not change the fact that they hold a certain opinion. Which is that God is evil.
>accurately and fairly judge God
whoever said judgements have to be accurate or fair?
I never said that.
Only that they are, in fact, opinions.
>He's infallible
God's actions do not in any way deny the ability to judge those actions as evil. they are correct...and evil.
>It's entirely possible to have the opinion that you're six feet tall even though you're 5'8"
No it isnt, because your height is not a matter of opinion.
Again, you show that you are too stupid to understand the difference between an aspect of reality - fact - and how a person judges that aspect - opinion.

>>40828894
>still refuses to admit it
See, your whole logic is full of shit.

You can't say EVERYTHING GOD DOES IS PERFECT NO MATTER HOW FUCKED UP and then not admit that you would celebrate God destroying your anus with his divine cock.

>>40828804
The Highest Authority isn't the painter. The consciously aware entity inside the construct is.
The canvas is the environment, you can build shit or fuck shit up. It's your canvas.
Being upset that the canvas is covered in shit before you picked up the brush is just part of the challenge.

>>40828885
without evil there would be no purpose to life, it would be like activating all the cheats in a video game. fun for a while sure but not worthy of an eternity. but the evil we face now is not the default state of the world either, humanity should remain acutely aware of the darkness while still surrounding themselves with beauty, not embrace the darker side and all the horrible things it brings like we do today.

>>40828904
>The Highest Authority isn't the painter.
Then the painter is irrelevant. We are talking about the Highest Authority.
>Being upset that the canvas is covered in shit before you picked up the brush is just part of the challenge.
So the question still remains.
Does the highest Authority WANT you to be upset, and that is why the shit is there.
Or does the Highest Authority have no power to remove the shit, and that is why it is there?

>>40828905
Retard

>>40828905
>without evil there would be no purpose to life
Nonsense. there is already no purpose to material life.
The purpose of eternal existence is enjoyment.
Ever increasing enjoyment.
Literally every moment is better than the previous. For eternity.
>it would be like activating all the cheats in a video game
no, it wouldnt because video games are VERY limited, and this material world is also limited. So your ability to enjoy here is limited, so all your examples are assuming that limitation, when it does not exist outside of this realm.

>>40828498 (OP)
>God's plan can't work without a child being boiled alove by his shitty parents for crying too much
That's what free will is, retard. At least use cancer or birth defects or some other form of human suffering that isn't caused by human action. The problem of evil is theology 101 shit, more ink has been spilled on this topic than you can imagine.
If you want an actual answer from intelligent men who thought very hard about this and aren't just being an edgy 12 year old r/atheism poster, read Thomas Aquinas (Summa Theologiae, Question 49; The Cause of Evil) or Augustine (Confessions Book VII) for two differing viewpoints. Or you could go with the gnostics who say the OT God is gay and evil. I just implore you to read a scrap of actual theology on this if you genuinely are looking for an answer, you will find nothing scrabbling in the dirt with schizo namefags on /x/.

>>40828626
Yeah, death and murder happened, we even murdered God billions of times already and it keeps happening, that's why you can post on the internet. Now what?

>>40828616
It reads like words, to me personally.

Very good words that make perfect sense but also are extremely horrifying because obviously it must be, as otherwise it would be easy to understand as someone who feels guilt, but it's not!

>>40828910
>Does the highest Authority WANT you to be upset, and that is why the shit is there.
I would yes. I think the goal of our current situation is absolute individuation.
>Or does the Highest Authority have no power to remove the shit, and that is why it is there?
PKD's Metz speech addressed this.

>>40828984
>I would yes.
So then the Highest Authority is malevolent.
> the goal of our current situation
So then the Highest Authority is also limited.
>PKD's Metz speech addressed this.
good for them. They can come here and talk, or you can talk. Otherwise what you said is pointless blather.

>>40828931
Plenty of useless Christians have jerked off to the idea of their tyrant child murdering god. None of them had answers for their crazed tyrant's flaws. You know the real answer? Removing these blood-crazed cultists and child rapists from society. It's amazing how far we've come in 300 years of simply ostracizing these trash humans and their delusional fictions from the room. No crusades and blood sacrifices for your death cult anymore, scum!

>>40829027
>No crusades and blood sacrifices for your death cult anymore, scum!
You mean besides the current genocides?

>>40829010
The Highest Authority would exist outside of this. It looks like your just circling the drain and not really interested in understanding. Your meat brain operates in three tiers, Intellect, Emotion, and Reptile. Intellect is the weakest and subject to both Emotion and Reptile. Emotion is subject to Reptile. Reptile is pure primal and only cares about survival and procreation.
As long as others are able to fuck with you through your Reptile and Emotion, you will not individuate, but just be fucked with.
If you want the Highest Authority to help you, just ask. Go look for answers from others who've done the same thing.

>>40828523
Soon you will burn in hell :)

>>40829087
God says that in the bible tho lel

>>40829027
I'm not even a Christian lmao. I just find theological debate about these topics interesting and it gets pretty old when all discussion about these topics online are Evangelical mouth-breathers who have never actually read the fucking book on one side and angsty faggots who are still mad their moms dragged them to church on the other side.
But yeah sure, you've done a great job of exiling the papist diddlers. That's definitely not a problem at all anymore.

>>40829067
>The Highest Authority would exist outside of this.
Does not in any way remove the questions.
You are still left with the thing you are either unwilling, or more likely completely unable to answer.
Why does Highest authority leave the shit there?
Does it want it there, or can it not remove it?

>>40828498 (OP)
Abrahamic god fails this but if you believe that "good and evil" are just the human perception of "Creation and Destruction" or "Order and Chaos" amd that all of these things are instrumental to the function of tne universe, things start to make more sense.

>>40828498 (OP)
See
>>40826437

>>40829132
Destruction can be good. Order can be evil.
Good and evil are not perceptions of specific things or events.
They are evaluations we put on observed things or events.
Good and evil are literally the same as yummy and yucky.
They dont exist in the food. They exist in our opinion of the food.

>>40829144
Agreed. I believe that this state doesn't require a "magical man in the sky who cares where I put my dick or what happens to babies" type situation. It does leave the possibility of a more complex "weaver of reality" kind of god that doesn't fit into our human good/evil framework.

>>40829167
One and the same. Why do you think God would not have attention everywhere? Is your conception so limited that God cannot pay attention to the entirety of existence, and a single atom?
That God cant care?
God can only see it, not see it as good?
>doesn't fit into our human good/evil framework
Anything we observe fits into that framework. The framework is an evaluation of what is observed. If we can observe any aspect of God, then we can judge it.

>>40828498 (OP)
>im curious what everyones answer if
cant ansewer a question with a question, can ya?

>>40828498 (OP)
Took me 35 years of walking around clueless, retarded, under spiritual amnesia not knowing who I was or what's going til I finally figured this thing out and realized all the bs I went thru was from BS I did in my past lives and now I have to get hurt to even the score. Whatever you go through jus go through it an learn from it. Don't judge it. This is temporary. We have to come down here and experience evil, suffering, physicality, doing everything with a process or plan or procedure, pain, loss, hurt, grief, heartbreak, judgement, homelessness, rejection, addiction, etc. It's how we evolve.

>>40828498 (OP)
There is no judgement. When you die you'll sit down and watch your whole life like a movie and critique and figure out where you went wrong then that's gonna play a big part on where you go after this and what you need to learn. You'll get to see yourself from everyone else perspective. That person you shitted on. That thing you did, yeah it's all gonna come crashing down. That person that hurt you will have to feel what you felt. If someone hurts you don't worry. They aren't gonna suffer or be judged, but their gonna have to face it again. My gma for instance. She's always been mean to me but I know when she dies, she'll finally be forced to feel how she made me feel and see things through my eyes. I also know she was like that in this lifetime for a reason tho and that's how we agreed for it to be while we were here this time.

>>40829087
>I hear things I don't like
>Attack the messenger
Why is any of that wrong? For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him.

>>40828498 (OP)
God has no concept of right and wrong, only freedom, stupidity leads to death, intelligence leads to life, and we are the ones who create right and wrong and use it to cause so much shit out there.
True goodness is simply knowing that everyone is stupid and no one knows what they are doing and only saving when needed, evil is ignorance not knowing what they are doing, freedom is suffering but suffering is evolution only when causing mistakes will it fix itself and become more perfect.
To put it bluntly, we are stuck in the loop of the old rules, heaven is just like a hotel because at some point we will have to go down because we are bored and can't stand the same eternal happiness and that's why Lucifer fell.
Adam and Eve were kicked out of the Garden of Eden because they were naive and stupid, but that's why you asked that question. Everything has a cause and effect, and we're just remembering because we're stupid so we don't repeat it instead of taking the time to ask why?

>>40829179
I don't think god is a conscious being that acts. There is nothing in the universe that points to the existence of an intervening god with human ideas, wants, cares, etc. without hominid monkeys projecting their own perspective and "cares" onto it. God doesn't "care" or "pay attention" or "see". Those are purely human things and god is not a human or any other kind of presence within the universe.

>>40828498 (OP)
Because you touch yourself at night

Nothing like the diction of some good fiction full of lies in disguise to tell you how god dies, might surprise but hopefully summarize through internal prediction or cure a mental affliction. Sure did help me to be more free to some degree, nature of possibility.

https://killsixbilliondemons.com/liturgy/

>>40828498 (OP)
Zoroastrianism effortlessly solved this problem without even trying

>>40830037
>I don't think god is a conscious being that acts.
Then your answer is there is no God, for there is no God without personhood.
In which case your answers are irrelevant since God is assumed in the OP and to not assume that is to not be involved in the discussion.

>>40828498 (OP)
too long; too lazy to write

Surrender. By asking "why" and questioning and refuting, you're not surrendering. God does what he is gonna do. Surrender.

>>40831366
Adhura Mazada much, even the oldest can seem like the crutch they're danm much of the old natured clutch smashing evil touch.

>>40830054
You're a fucking retard

>>40832506
Even while retarded you're well regarded by the the bard did

>>40832525

>>40828498 (OP)
didnt read but theres no omnipotent god
what youre reffering to is adonai the parasitic "god" of the bible
were all energy adonai is trying to fake omnipotence

>>40828523
its not omnipotent
the being you are describing is an evil demonic parasite

>>40828498 (OP)
Worship Al Masiah Dajjal. He will not die he will just return back to Yerevan and an Alien spaceship will pick him up and take him back to Agartha, after completing his mission.

Rejecters of Christ are the seed of Satan.

Unpleasant experiences are useful to change you.

>>40834893
>ltierally no argument
>>40837263
Yep. Changed me from a blind faith Christard to an indifferent persecutor. Thank you God :)

>>40828902
God's opinion is objective fact because he is omnipotent. Human opinion is subjective because our limited knowledge and understanding and individual point of view.

>>40837365
Ok and he can decide in his omnipotence that we can have different opinions which is clearly what he did.

>>40828498 (OP)
Watch this short
www.youtube.com/shorts/PLclzmowpHU
you've already decided that God is incorrect or bad for allowing bad things to happen. You want to know why you've made this choice/conclusion.

Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight. - Proverbs 3:5

>>40828498 (OP)
>>40837683
The bible also has multiple verses in it saying the World would be the way it is now (the end times).
Good would be seen as Bad and Bad as Good.
People would be unwise, quick to anger, greedy, prideful, lustful, filled with love for money and themselves rather than one another or god.
Yes there is bad in the world and horrible things occur, but god isn't wanting that to happen. He has a plan for the future. He only allows it to go on for a time to prove Satan wrong, which in itself is kinda sad and annoying you more you look into it but thats what it is.

>>40828523
How do you KNOW you're going to Heaven as opposite of just a BELIEF?

>>40832548
The purest expression of evil is God. He created evil things as well as good things. He is the source of evil as well as good. I don't know why this upsets those who follow Abrahamic religions. There is no other source, they claim that themselves, so why does the source of evil being God upset them so?

>>40837798
Is this english or some other language?

>>40837833
There is a difference in "evil god" and satan who is just cartoonishly evil.
Evil God destroyed cities, stuck down people and tried to force his way upon his followers in the old testement. he even cursed an entire bloodline.
but over time, he realized he was not only incorrect but he was wrong, and he tried to undo the damage he caused.
Satan? Started as a good servant who then said "im better than this guy and I know better!", deceived humans into ruin, manipulated key events, lied constantly, was at war with his former angels in heaven, killed Jobs whole family and would've killed Job but God disallowed him from doing so.
And so much worse in modern times where Satan is bound to Earth right now because he was cast out of the heavens.
Satan never admits wrong or admits he fucked up. He is stubborn and proud and he will do whatever it takes.
Look at the world, the suffering, the mental torture and how fucked people are. Thats all Satans work, not God.
Its a giant Chess game where Satan and God try to disprove each other.
And we, unfortunately, have to take a side, one way or another.

>>40828498 (OP)
Any threads talking about religion need to be pruned… “Adam and Eve” two very specific names of a language that did not exist during the time period stated…. Do you think they called each other “Adam” and “Eve”… “they must have learned the language associated with those letters”…there is no letter for letter translation from any other language to english… your minds are so brainwashed there may be no return… #ItsAGlobe #GlobohomoFTW

>>40828498 (OP)
its already answered long ago

this life is a preparation for eternal awareness, whatever happens in this life pales in comparison to eternity

if to be able to exist in eternity, we must go through a temporary mortal hell, then that temporary mortal hell is good because is what your soul needed to not go insane in eternity

its simple, eternal awareness is so mind blowing potentially hellish...this life is worth it so that here we can learn the things we need to not go insane

imagine your worst anxiety attack, knowing that it will never end, the only thing that can happen is your exasperation and suffering to increase

I think non of you have ever actually faced eternity, I guarantee noone can withstand it if they arent enlightened by love

facing eternity as a pleb, has to be the worst possible experience

its eternal crucifixion...and God doesn't want us to go through that

God wants you to face eternity full of love and good things, so that you are happy forever, and one can only learn true love in this mortal life

declare me Moshiach, now

I solved the problem of suffering and evil

>>40837957 < 4
>>40837963 < 3
>>40837967 = 5

>>40828905
"Nothing is so beautiful and wonderful, nothing is so continually fresh and surprising, so full of sweet and perpetual ecstasy, as the good. No desert is so dreary, monotonous, and boring as evil. This is the truth about authentic good and evil. With fictional good and evil it is the other way round. Fictional good is boring and flat, while fictional evil is varied and intriguing, attractive, profound, and full of charm."
On Science, Necessity, and the Love of God
Oxford University Press, 1968

Difficulty and opposition in a video game aren't the same type of thing as real evil. If a video game included enough proper evil, no one would want to play it because it wouldn't be at all enjoyable. On the other hand, challenge and difficulty can coexist with good just fine.

>>40838029
Evil is more like annoying bugs in a video game that randomly destroy all your progress, makes progress impossible, make the game stutter and the graphics distort, and otherwise interferes with the intended operation and enjoyment of the game.

>>40828498 (OP)
Jews, Christians, and Muslims worship the Demiurge.

>>40828498 (OP)
The good old Epicurean Paradox.
You can not have a god who is all powerful, all knowing, and all good in a world where there is evil.
Simple answer is god can't be all three. And if you read the oldest texts mentioning god you'll see god is not these things. God is a pretty sadistic creature by our own gospel. There are things god does not know in our own scripture. God is not all powerful, as the earliest texts mention a full pantheon of other beings, equally or even more powerful, worshipped by other peoples at the same time.

Satanism is just "fuck you dad" for spiritualists

>>40828498 (OP)
The short story is that this world was not made to make you happy. I understand this is a disappointment. In most kids morality these days there is nothing or at most a happiness grasping utilitarianism that can conceive of no other options.

For your other questions.
>Is Heaven the Garden of Eden
No.
>God's plan can't work without a child being boiled alive
It can, but people fucked it up.
>Why doesn't god unfuck the people
Because that specifically is not in the plan.
>How did adam and eve fall
Because God thought the Garden was fool proof and Eve was just the fool to proove it.
>Why don't we sin out of heaven
Presumably the quality that permits you access to heaven prevents you from sinning later (or heaven itself does, remember lots of depictions of heaven have everyone (even the men) being the wives of christ , and people having no elbows and all singing and feeding each other selflessly.
>Why the garden and not heaven
The Garden was retard containment for the prototype of humans, Heaven is the 'reward' for a virtuous life , they are not the same.
>What's bulletproof against falling
God is
>What if
It isn't.
>How did lucifer fall from heaven if heaven only permits perfectly sefless people or makes them that way
Lucifer a> Belongs to a different class. The Angels are servents of god, they are not people. They are expressly different and as a result act differently. b> There's a good arguement in lots of readings of christianity that while Lucifer lead those with jealousy or hate in the their heart and god cast them out, that Lucifer and the Fallen Angel's position in Hell is at god's discression. While 'the devil' is explained as a story of rebelling and vice and being a snot, you can also take it as squaring the circle of a 'monolithic god that came from a dialithic religion'. God and the devil is a pair, why didn't god just not make the devil. It's a fine logical question, God needing lucifer and hell to some degree is a fine answer.

>>40828498 (OP)
Does God take big dumps?

>>40828498 (OP)
you sound innocent and how nothing bad should ever happen to you, and is extrapolating this to literally everybody in the world. atheists are literal retarded faggots, here is your answer.

>>40828498 (OP)
>if God real why bad thing happen
The foolishness of a man subverts his way, and his heart is angry against the Lord. Proverbs 19:3, the Holy Bible.

>if Adam and Eve have already been in this perfect reality with God, why did they fall?
Then the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it. And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.” Genesis 2:15-17, the Holy Bible.

Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, “Has God indeed said, ‘You shall not eat of every tree of the garden’?” And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.’ ”

Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate. Genesis 3:1-6, the Holy Bible.

Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 1 John 3:4, the Holy Bible.

Through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned. Romans 5:12, the Holy Bible.

>>40828498 (OP)
>And if we die and go to heaven due to God's mercy, why wouldn't we fall again out of heaven?
But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus. Ephesians 2:4-6, the Holy Bible.

And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. Whoever abides in Him does not sin. 1 John 3:5-6, the Holy Bible.

I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.

And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.

Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. John 17:20-24, the Holy Bible.

>>40828498 (OP)
>Is that the reason hell exists,
When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left...

Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life. Matthew 25:31-33,41-46, the Holy Bible.

But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death. Revelation 21:8, the Holy Bible.

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, the Holy Bible.

>>40828498 (OP)
the only plan god has is his own creation. youre not important.

>>40828498 (OP)
>a child being boiled alove by his shitty parents
Then they also brought infants to Him that He might touch them; but when the disciples saw it, they rebuked them. But Jesus called them to Him and said, “Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of God. Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it.” Luke 18:15-17, the Holy Bible.

>learn the divine plan
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23, the Holy Bible.

The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb,
The leopard shall lie down with the young goat,
The calf and the young lion and the fatling together;
And a little child shall lead them.
The cow and the bear shall graze;
Their young ones shall lie down together;
And the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
The nursing child shall play by the cobra’s hole,
And the weaned child shall put his hand in the viper’s den.
They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain,
For the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord
As the waters cover the sea.
Isaiah 11:6-9, the Holy Bible.

Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.” Revelation 21:1-4, the Holy Bible.

>>40828498 (OP)
>what if the answer is unsatisfactory and we go "wtf God, that's stupid as shit"?
The kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who arranged a marriage for his son, and sent out his servants to call those who were invited to the wedding; and they were not willing to come. Again, he sent out other servants, saying, ‘Tell those who are invited, “See, I have prepared my dinner; my oxen and fatted cattle are killed, and all things are ready. Come to the wedding.” ’

But they made light of it and went their ways, one to his own farm, another to his business. And the rest seized his servants, treated them spitefully, and killed them. But when the king heard about it, he was furious. And he sent out his armies, destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy. Therefore go into the highways, and as many as you find, invite to the wedding.’ So those servants went out into the highways and gathered together all whom they found, both bad and good. And the wedding hall was filled with guests.

But when the king came in to see the guests, he saw a man there who did not have on a wedding garment. So he said to him, ‘Friend, how did you come in here without a wedding garment?’ And he was speechless. Then the king said to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ For many are called, but few are chosen. Matthew 22:2-14, the Holy Bible.

>>40841139
Why should bad things happen to innocent people? How does God justify that?

>>40828767
>objective opinion
Lmao

>>40842658
Behind the scenes of reality are a bunch of evil primadonna niggers that think their shit doesn't stink, LARPing as gods sitting around conspiring evil shit to do to people all day. I shit you not.

>>40828498 (OP)
>Sins of the son
So are your parents responsible for your actions? They created you. They did their best to impart their wisdom and guidance on you. If you turn from their guidance and teaching through free will, who's to blame?
If you fell from their good graces and they did something reasonable in turn, like disinherit you from their will, where would that leave you? Perhaps in need of repairing the relationship?
Or are you the kind of person that needs to be told what to do 24/7/365 to not burn bridges with people who love you?