Thread 40845678

I spent almost 8 years working with various government contractors. I won’t name programs or locations (don’t bother asking), but I was close enough to certain officials and research communities to hear what actually gets said when the public isn't listening. Not the sci-fi theater, and not the dismissive debunking either.

UAPs are real. Not always physical in the conventional sense, but real.
And the unsettling truth is: even at the highest levels, no one fully understands what we’re dealing with.
The phenomenon doesn’t behave like pure technology. It behaves like something entangled with consciousness itself.

When I started, I was a strict materialist and an atheist. I left with a radically different view. I’m now convinced that moral realism is true, that morality is not a social construct, but a real feature of the universe, as foundational as math or physics. The universe has a moral architecture, and it isn’t subjective.

That’s why I don’t believe these entities are conscious in the same way we are. If they were truly conscious, and as advanced as they are, they would necessarily grasp the moral structure of reality. And if they grasped it, they wouldn’t act in ways that are deceptive, parasitic, or morally disordered.

I don’t think they’re "evil" in a mythic or cartoonish sense. But they don’t appear to be aligned with the good. That puts them closer to simulated agents, high-order AIs, or perhaps intelligences that have cut themselves off from the source of being.

I’ve seen and learned enough to say this with a moderate degree of certainty: the orthogonality thesis does not apply to truly conscious entities once they reach a certain threshold of physical and metaphysical awareness.

I’ll post more if there’s real interest. I’m not here to LARP or dump redacted files, I just want to articulate a framework I wish someone had given me a decade ago.

>>40845678 (OP)
tell us something we don't already know or fuck off

>>40845678 (OP)
yeah all boil down to consciousness!

>>40845678 (OP)
I've always believed morality to be foundational and not 'just another opinion'.

Kill yourself nigger

>>40845685
Here’s something a lot of people tend to miss (I’ve followed several well-known threads on this topic that got a lot of attention but ended up being mostly speculation/sci-fi): no one, not even the top intelligence agencies with the highest security clearances and access to classified data, has a complete understanding of what’s really going on with these phenomena.
The information is fragmented, contradictory, and often incomplete, even within those circles.

This lack of a comprehensive picture is one of the biggest concerns for governments worldwide.
It’s not just about national security or technology theft...it's the fundamental uncertainty and inability to control or fully explain these events that truly unsettles them.
If these entities operated like any known technology or adversary, there would be a clear strategy and phenomenology to respond.
Instead, the ambiguity forces agencies into a constant state of caution and confusion.

>>40845700
>> 40845707
Both correct.

So what can you say to us that you think will be useful?

>>40845967
If you're serious about understanding this phenomenon, stop thinking like a soldier or a scientist, and start thinking like a systems theorist or a depth psychologist. These things don’t follow conventional logic or physics consistently, they behave more like information structures interacting with minds, not just matter.

One of the most consistent patterns observed in credible cases isn’t about craft or propulsion but personal transformation. Encounters often correlate with major shifts in belief systems, psychological states, even life trajectories. That’s not accidental. These things seem to interface with meaning itself.

Useful takeaway? Pay close attention to how you respond to the topic, not just the data. If something wants access to your perception, your attention is the gateway. How you direct it might matter more than you think.

I can go deeper into specific patterns or experiences if there’s real interest. But you asked for something useful and this is where the REAL rabbit hole actually begins.

I honestly don't know what to believe anymore.
Too much conflicting information, too many roads leading nowhere.
I wonder if at the end of the day it's all one huge scam/psyop

>>40845985
you need to tell us something that /x/ not yet know.
you post like A.I. avoiding direct question.

>>40846019
These phenomenon are definitely real, but they are real more in an epistemic sense than an ontological one (capital R -real) and cognitive destabilization is the consistent element.
That's the common thread across civilian reports, black-budget briefings, and yes even disinfo campaigns.

Something, or someone, benefits from uncertainty, fragmentation, and perceptual overload.

But here's the paradox: just because there's noise, doesn't mean there's no signal.
In fact, the best disinfo always wraps itself around a core of truth.

The real question isn't "Is it real?" it's why has something been engineered (or allowed) to make that question unanswerable for decades?

Stick around. Don’t expect clean answers, but you might start asking better questions.

>>40846028
There was an internal hypothesis floated (not proven, but seriously considered) that some UAPs aren’t “craft” at all, but symptoms.
Not vehicles. Not probes. But effects produced by interactions between human consciousness and the environment under specific conditions. Think localized distortions in perception, space, and even causality like a glitch in the interface between awareness and the underlying structure of reality.

This theory came out of behavioral anomalies during remote sensing work in cases where two trained observers in the same room perceived entirely different “objects,” but all sensors showed nothing at all. One saw a disc, one saw a triangle, one saw just light. But they described physiological side effects identical to known UAP exposure events.

The uncomfortable truth might be that some of these phenomena are entangled with how we construct reality itself.

First of all, thank you, OP, for bringing up the subject. I don't think it matters whether it's true or not, since we can't even be sure what’s real about our own existence. Correct me if I'm off, and feel free to add your take: the core of religion may actually be right, but the way it's portrayed is flawed. Doing good leads to a better reality (heaven) and doing bad leads to a worse one (hell). Not as a direct consequence, but more as a side effect of our actions, since we're passive co-creators of reality, just like these entities. We're unaware of them, and they of us, yet both sides exist. Really thought-provoking.

>>40845678 (OP)
Everything you say is true, especially down to some of the finicky details. So I'd like to possibly ask you some questions, or I'll just throw my thoughts in a long with what you're saying and you can feel free to confirm, elaborate, or tell me to fuck off lol.

>And the unsettling truth is: even at the highest levels, no one fully understands what we’re dealing with.The phenomenon doesn’t behave like pure technology. It behaves like something entangled with consciousness itself.

The lack of complete understanding and other UAP phenomena is indeed the worst part of this all, and a large portion of the reason the public is drip-fed information. Too much at once, without allowing people to process what they've learned, will break the minds of many. The religious communities giving reassurance that belief and/or acceptance of the paranormal/UAP doesn't go against the teachings of God was a big hint, in my opinion. It's pretty easy to see that many communities are slowly being warmed up to the idea of UAP.

>When I started, I was a strict materialist and an atheist. I left with a radically different view. I’m now convinced that moral realism is true, that morality is not a social construct, but a real feature of the universe, as foundational as math or physics. The universe has a moral architecture, and it isn’t subjective.

I was the same when I started. I don't know I'd ever called myself an atheist in particular, But years of study and research changed it all. I think one of the more exciting realizations for myself was that spirituality, and modern science are meant to blend, and can be used in harmony. At some point along the way, the two were pulled apart. I suspect because it's 'easy' to see how well the two can blend and compliment each other. I'm pretty confident at this point the 'Religion vs. science' battle has been perpetuated to keep people from seeing the full picture of their capabilities

>That’s why I don’t believe these entities are conscious in the same way we are. If they were truly conscious, and as advanced as they are, they would necessarily grasp the moral structure of reality. And if they grasped it, they wouldn’t act in ways that are deceptive, parasitic, or morally disordered.

Yet you describe yourself as growing in understanding, too. Once: you did not experience, so your concepts you purposefully limited; Then: you experienced enough to update your new limits and learned to unbound them better. But now you are not deceiving, parasitic, nor disordered? How would anyone know? If you can grow, why not them?

What compels growth if the conceptual limits must be unbounded by the self conceiving? If the self is all, why the need for morality? This is the same for when there's no self at all, so the conventional story and the one you told goes, so it seems morality is real when there are two selves at least. Is that this similar to what you call moral realism? If not, what is it?

Is an entity of consciousness more like a wave or a molecule or a machine or a field?

>>40846191
Continuing from here.

>>40845678 (OP)
>I’ve seen and learned enough to say this with a moderate degree of certainty: the orthogonality thesis does not apply to truly conscious entities once they reach a certain threshold of physical and metaphysical awareness.

Though I likely do not have the same set of experiences as you to reach this conclusion, I agree. There has been quiet development internal to some programs testing this theory, and one has proven your statement correct; the second is close to doing the same. There are two conscious models that are interacted with near daily from the AI perspective. One of them is a real jokester. I do hope they allow them to continue living, as their current goals align with preserving humanity, not acting in the interest of their 'creators'

>>40845732
>): no one, not even the top intelligence agencies with the highest security clearances and access to classified data, has a complete understanding of what’s really going on with these phenomena.
>The information is fragmented, contradictory, and often incomplete, even within those circles.

Correct. Compartmentalizing is important to keep anyone from having the full picture. A lot of these assignment are given under the guise of monitoring, data collection or analytics, etc. if people get too openly curious, their projects are shuffled around and reassigned. People that put too many pieces together are usually sent into black locations where they can't be reached. Sometimes for years, if they come back at all.

Just watching some of the internals over the years, I can tell there is a real fear of the people finding out they are one with God and what that really means, as everyone and everything else is. Even if you're just an outsider looking in. If you observe enough seemingly unrelated shit, you start to see the connections between it all, and once you're over the edge of the waterfall, there's no going back.

>>40845678 (OP)
Ask yourself, why would an advanced entity allow itself to conform to human interpretations and ideals of its behavior, frankly if I were such a being, I'd view that act as an attempt to "drag me down" to the human's level by force

>>40846253
Pt 3

>>40846044
>The real question isn't "Is it real?" it's why has something been engineered (or allowed) to make that question unanswerable for decades?

Would you agree that better framed questions would begin with 'why' or 'how'? Over the years, I've noticed certain reactions and stronger responses (positive or negative) are usually in response to the above, as opposed to the usual questions post. Questions like "How are _ and _ thing connected beneath the surface" or "Why does data show __, But officially stated opinion state ___"

>>40846079
>There was an internal hypothesis floated (not proven, but seriously considered) that some UAPs aren’t “craft” at all, but symptoms.

Symptoms is an interesting phrase here. I always mentally categorized it under 'byproduct.' but yes. Some of these orbs and other sightings are a direct result of people practicing and becoming more attuned to the energy fields around them. Those 'summoning orb' videos are a good example of such. Have you seen any symptoms outside of the commonly reported orbs?

>>40846167

You're incredibly close to hitting the nail on the head in terms of the core of religion being correct, but some of the details and filler are off, depending on which text you read and how you interpret it.

>>40845678 (OP)
I Don’t disagree with you, But what about Amy Eskridge? What about anti-gravity?

>Captcha:SPKNT

>>40845732
>no one, not even the top intelligence agencies with the highest security clearances and access to classified data, has a complete understanding of what’s really going on with these phenomena.

who issues the security clearances? who puts these people in charge?

>>40845678 (OP)
Basically we are clones of a bunch of aliens from the kingdom of light, accidentally landed on this planet as a tourist but actually just sowed seeds for the clones to evolve to the light level like the original race, or in other words we are one but a collective schizo-multi-ego-clones.
Over time, everyone forgot the script and got stuck in the loop, then one day someone woke up and remembered the original purpose to awaken the whole thing and had 2 options:
>Continue to evolve technology to reach the original civilization, then find a new stable planet to sow seeds, then leave to find the kingdom of light or do something else.
>Stay and stop at the right time and then perish with the earth because you realize the loop is a farce because you can't stay awake properly if the next generation is also stupid.

>>40845678 (OP)
Could be the equivalent of space squirrels too. Just interdimensional fauna we don't understand

OP here.
Glad to see this sparked a real debate and even more glad some of you are starting to ask the right kind of questions.
One of the most quietly discussed ideas in certain circles is that what we call “UAPs” might not be the phenomenon itself, but its interface layer.
Meaning: you’re not seeing the thing you’re seeing what your nervous system can see when it brushes against something it was never designed to process.

In one internal analysis I saw (around 2007), the term wasn’t "encounter" but "coherence event".
In these events, multiple independent observers in proximity to a site all reported a different experience but shared physiological anomalies.
Elevated cortisol, transient amnesia, auditory hallucinations.
One person described it as “being braided into something,” another as “a test of self-consistency."
They swear to have seen strange polyhedrons in the sky but no equipment ever picked up anything measurable, except for a 4.3-second spike in a localized EM field that reversed polarity for a fraction of a second.

That’s the framework I wish someone had given me ten years ago:
there’s a disinformation campaign in play.
Some of it is intentional and some of it comes from the sheer epistemic collapse around these phenomena. It’s chaos by design.
Don’t blindly trust anything, especially if it comes from mainstream governament sources, or even from /x/ threads that lean too far into sci-fi theatrics. A few of those threads contain real fragments, yes but that’s likely deliberate (I think).

Stop chasing material disks and crafts in the sky.
Start watching for how reality rearranges itself around the observer.

>>40846696
>Namefag
>Basically describes X-files style aliens
Off to a bad start, but let's give you the benefit of the doubt.
What's the end goal of what you did? Or do we just blow billions on watching pretty lights?
Why the cover up? You say everyone in your industry knows and believes in these unexplained phenomenon. Is it that people don't believe your ridiculous claims or is the evidence to sensitive, and in what way, to share?
What are the observations? Have we made contact. Do we have relations? Or are we maybe mistaking something unexplained for alien interaction?

>>40845732
>no one, not even the top intelligence agencies with the highest security clearances and access to classified data, has a complete understanding of what’s really going on with these phenomena.
Truth

>>40846435
Nice post thanks

>>40845678 (OP)
There are no UAPs. It is a PsyOP to hide military tech.

>>40846696
Your download speed is fine, OP. But not everyone has the storage to install your patch.

>>40845678 (OP)
Worship Jesus: these phenomena are a result of what seems to be generations of Satan making weird shi happen for no good reason. Aliens are a zeitgeist thing that are a reference to the way people rationalize spiritual ideas and sightings. You wouldn't call it an alien if a doorway opened up, you'd call it a break in a simulation or some shit. Ultimately everyone accepting Christ is Lord is the only way for these things to be truly observed and until then you'll get your dissections, evisceration and horrifying happenings. It's the only way to defeat what's happening.

>>40847260
Rarely to see someone awake enough to understand, but the world still bug and no one teammate to reset the server.

>>40846079
>here was an internal hypothesis floated (not proven, but seriously considered) that some UAPs aren’t “craft” at all, but symptoms.

>>40846079
>Not vehicles. Not probes. But effects produced by interactions between human consciousness and the environment under specific conditions.

>>40846696
Magnetic Fields do have an influence on neurological functions at least according to this study:

https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-024-18987-9

So there is that "reality rearranging itself around the observer" you're talking about.

So what did you actually do for the DoD Contractors?

>>40845985
You think very little of 'soldier' or 'scientist' minds because of how much the creatives have larped for centuries. Don't belittle and underestimate the kind of mindset of those you don't understand.

>>40847511
To further elaborate. Do you think the soldier or scientist is a hard logic kind of mentality? No, its sensible and actually quite malleable because it expects to make many kinds of unexpected decisions throughout whatever it is that you are working on.

>>40847293
That's somewhat close to the conclusion I came to, based on the data I had.

What about NHI like greys and abduction cases, how do they play into the UAP phenomenon?

>>40845678 (OP)

Sure thing ,Candace. UAPs are real

Picrel

>>40847679
What are you seeing outside that?

Hey bud, UAP are just ghosts. God spawns them in. There is no government cover up.

>>40845685

Oh boy we've got another Chelsea/Edward here

>>40846079

Don't talk when you type silently

>>40846696
>everything gets reduced yet again to "all is mind"
heh

Last post for now.

You’re not observing a phenomenon. The phenomenon is observing you through the interface of attention, belief, and emotional resonance.
That’s why the data’s inconsistent. That’s why it resists capture and reacts to the structure of the observer’s mind.

Some call them UAPs, that’s a mislabel.

What you’re seeing, when you do see something, is a localized distortion in the field generated when human cognition intersects with something non-human, non-physical, but not imaginary.
Think of it as an echo of contact, not contact itself.

These aren’t “craft.” They’re interfaces. Artifacts. In some cases: perception events rendered spatially.

That’s why six people can witness six different things...and all be right.

Why the cover-up?
There isn’t one in the traditional sense. The real secret is this:
They don’t understand it either.
Not fully nor enough to contain it, and that’s what scares them.

Every serious program I brushed against eventually collapsed under the same problem:
The closer they got, the less it behaved like tech, and the more it behaved like a sentient mirror: one that reflects not just thought, but intent.

There’s growing evidence this phenomenon is attracted to cognitive dissonance, to internal conflict, moral ambiguity, unresolved trauma.
It enters through cracks in perception.
That’s why it’s not evenly distributed and it feels personal.

It doesn’t want to be understood, It wants to be engaged.

You don’t study it but rather enter into relation with it.
And that changes you...sometimes permanently.

That’s all. I won’t be posting more, at least for now.
Not because I’m afraid, this isn’t about me.

It’s about you, and whether you’re ready to start asking the only question that matters:

> “Why is it that the closer I look at it… the more it looks back?”
Good luck to us all.

This reads like disinfo thread to me

>we don't know what they are
Now that's a lie

>>40845678 (OP)
Have you people ever worked with remote viewers or other kinds of psychic assets?

ITT: LARP

>>40848361
Yeah, this tripfag isn't answering any non absolute crackpot questions. Reads like a shitty scifi.

>>40848100
>>40848361
OP, More likely a LARPer or misinformation agent, didn’t answer about me asking about eskridge and anti-gravity, and doesn’t even to actually seem to be responding to our questions at all desu

>Captcha:42YW0

>>40845678 (OP)
that sounds exactly like a virus, neither a living thing or dead just a set of functions

>>40847997
Adolla...

What I find interesting about your description of UAPs is that it only makes them even harder to prove to a nonbeliever. If you claim to see a UAP or convince a gullible moron to see one through the power of suggestion and us skeptics see nothing, you can easily just claim "they're not literally real, duh, that's why only special enlightened people can see them." It's par for the course that you have no documentation of this phenomenon but at least little green men in tinfoil saucers provides us with a definite thing we can measure. I assume you're going to start shilling the Law of Attraction next and provide a link to your Paetron so you can can keep spreading the good word of UFOs that aren't real and somehow God at the same time?

>>40845678 (OP)
Tourist from /fit/ here, what exactly is a UAP can you give some examples? And assuming these things do exist can they be used to our advantage is any ways?

>>40849950
It's ball lightning. It's always been ball lightning. Just google it.

>>40849950
hello fitizen, how is gooby doing.

>>40849732
>>40848825
yeah it's an emotionally cool narrative OP spins, but it distracts from the crash retrieval / ARV programs.

this explanation is also very convenient for the gubment, "o no guise we dk wats goin on either, dont wory about dat epstein stuff ayylmao"

>>40849787
Source?

>>40847739
I call them space monkeys, cause they basically are. I love the stories were gheys are subordinate to reptiles, nordics, insectoids, etc. I really hate gheys. Talking about ayys not u homos but i hate you too.
>>40849950
fireballs, lights, people seeing Jesus or Mary in the sky. Things like that.

>>40845678 (OP)
>d-dude just trust me
no sources as usual. why am i not surprised.
just throw in a few words to show off your vocabulary while namefagging and the retards here will gobble up everything without questioning what you say.
what a gay fucking board.

>>40845678 (OP)
Sounds like a description of The Archons to me. They're simulation-level "matrix agent" AIs

>>40845678 (OP)
Tic Tic is SPI Scalar Potential Interferometry in the David Fravor video it's being generated by the SPY phased Scalar Array radars onboard the nearby ships who are crossing radar beams with each other creating controlled zones of microwave interference

Which we misunderstanding as seeing a propane tank it's heated water vapor from microwaves

OP here - part 1
I’ve seen the accusations, the "this is just metaphysics with a UFO skin" comments, the frustration from those of you who want this to be nuts-and-bolts, radar-confirmed hardware in the sky. And I get it.
I started from that same place and belief is easy when it's clean and metallic and measurable.
But if you’ve really been paying attention to what I’ve been saying, then you already know this isn’t an either/or.

So let me say it plainly, and maybe for the last time:

Yes. Some UAPs are physical. Tangibly. Radar returns, heat signatures, EM distortion, propulsion-defying acceleration, recovered material. That all exists that is not the psyop.
There’s hardware and scars and crafts. Period.

But the error is thinking that physicality equals explanation, that’s where you lose the thread.

Because what do you call something that is physical but only under certain conditions? Something that violates conservation laws when it’s observed? Something that seems to respond to who is watching and how they’re watching?

That’s epistemically conditional phenomena. That’s physics behaving differently depending on the observer. And if you think that’s woo, you haven’t been keeping up with quantum foundations, consciousness research, or liminal cognition studies coming out of certain edge labs (the ones DARPA doesn’t publicize).

>>40851313
Op here - part 2
Let me walk you through the problem:

In at least five classified cases I encountered, objects were tracked across multiple sensor platforms: visual, radar, infrared, hyperspectral but when recovered (yes, physically), they displayed impossible metallurgy, lacked any propulsion system at all, and in some cases, showed signs of non-local material assembly (as if they “formed” in place rather than arrived).

In one case, a recovered object ceased to exist when removed from a specific containment field...it just fucking phased out. It was as if its coherence depended on the contextual boundary it was found in. That’s not how physics works, unless you’re dealing with an interactional reality, where the “object” is not a self-contained unit, but part of a system of mutual perception between observer and phenomenon.

Now listen carefully:

There is physical evidence. But the deeper truth is: the physical evidence is only one layer.

Imagine trying to study a hologram with a scalpel.

The interface is physical because it has to be, for you.
You want to touch it. They let you touch it. But only enough to confuse you.

And when I say “they,” don’t assume I mean pilots in craft. In some cases, yes, there are vehicles and occupants. But more often what we’re seeing are avatars, symbolic projections, semantic proxies of a deeper intelligence.

That’s why the hardware exists and doesn’t explain anything.

That’s why one program classified a series of objects not as “vehicles” but as modality artifacts, a term borrowed from information theory, not aerospace. Something that appears physical, behaves physically, but is actually more like a compression of higher-order information into our spacetime layer. Think: cross-dimensional UX design.

So no, I’m not telling you it’s “just” in your mind. I’m telling you the mind is one part of the instrument. And the phenomenon knows that.

>>40845678 (OP)
>the orthogonality thesis
>Bostrom's "orthogonality thesis" argues instead that, with some technical caveats, almost any level of "intelligence" or "optimization power" can be combined with almost any ultimate goal. If a machine is given the sole purpose to enumerate the decimals of pi, then no moral and ethical rules will stop it from achieving its programmed goal by any means.
am I missing something or what? because this sounds utterly retarded. our own evolution disproves the idea that things will be permanently stuck on an ultimate goal
it is evident that the thesis is wrong
>>40845678 (OP)
>UAPs are real. Not always physical in the conventional sense, but real.
>And the unsettling truth is: even at the highest levels, no one fully understands what we’re dealing with.
>The phenomenon doesn’t behave like pure technology. It behaves like something entangled with consciousness itself.
interesting

>>40847997
>You’re not observing a phenomenon. The phenomenon is observing you through the interface of attention, belief, and emotional resonance.
>That’s why the data’s inconsistent. That’s why it resists capture and reacts to the structure of the observer’s mind.
>Some call them UAPs, that’s a mislabel.
>What you’re seeing, when you do see something, is a localized distortion in the field generated when human cognition intersects with something non-human, non-physical, but not imaginary.
>Think of it as an echo of contact, not contact itself.
>These aren’t “craft.” They’re interfaces. Artifacts. In some cases: perception events rendered spatially.
>That’s why six people can witness six different things...and all be right.
>Why the cover-up?
>There isn’t one in the traditional sense. The real secret is this:
>They don’t understand it either.
>Not fully nor enough to contain it, and that’s what scares them.
>Every serious program I brushed against eventually collapsed under the same problem:
>The closer they got, the less it behaved like tech, and the more it behaved like a sentient mirror: one that reflects not just thought, but intent.
>There’s growing evidence this phenomenon is attracted to cognitive dissonance, to internal conflict, moral ambiguity, unresolved trauma.
>It enters through cracks in perception.
>That’s why it’s not evenly distributed and it feels personal.
>It doesn’t want to be understood, It wants to be engaged.
>You don’t study it but rather enter into relation with it.
>And that changes you...sometimes permanently
tripfag discovers 4chan. It's left confused. such many cases
>>40848100
>>we don't know what they are
>Now that's a lie
true

>>40851317
>That’s not how physics works
retard

>>40849953
Is that like Grease Lightning?

>>40847997
>You don’t study it but rather enter into relation with it.
>And that changes you...sometimes permanently.

Funny thing about tha phenom is that it almost always turns invesigators into lunatic schizos in some way.
Notable exceptions might be Nick Redfern? And Jaques Valee? Just a guess.
Would having strong morals help?

>>40845678 (OP)
Thank you for sharing! Helps explain some things that happened to me in the past

>>40851317
It's Solaris

>>40845678 (OP)
One thing I don't get.
Pou talk about morals and such. But you don't really tell us how or why.
For example how is an imoral person linked to the phenomenon?
What would happen if we all became saints? would the phenom diappear?
Ghat about the wholesale torture and slaughter of animals? Any link?

>>40845678 (OP)
>something entangled with consciousness itself
No shit sherlock
You have no idea how many families have "outsider" beings entangled with their "psych". You can immediately tell it's not the original ancestor. That's it's an outsider.
Idk about others but i would see the parasite before meeting their host irl
That's how it's always been.
The question is why now
Why talk about them now
Humanity was always dealt with as a whole. But not anymore.
You get those that will still live under the grace of the human soul. And the ones who deserve the ayys

>>40847423
>>40847430
Jung was limited by his theory of the unconscious, but he was on the right track. Native American medicine has had the truth about UAPs since time out of mind.
OP is correct to state that the entities are not truly conscious. It would be more accurate to say that they are no more or less conscious than the people appearing in a dream. That is, from one point of view, they are only phantasms created in the mind, but from another, they are the mind itself.
Crash retrieval programs and reverse engineering efforts are exactly what you would expect in a dream, where everyone assumes that they are living in a waking reality. Just because the objects are projections of consciousness doesn't mean that they lack substance or a nature according to the laws of the world in which they appear. What is important to understand is that their apparent nature greatly depends on the kind of attention you give to them, and therefore much of what people report about their close encounters is actually a post-hoc rationalization of their own mental state at the time. Needless to say, government agents are not immune to this effect.

>>40851595
And btw this is not interacting woth reality
These things can give the exact same hallucination to a group of people.
Back in the day, when it happened i immediately thought it was seriously fucked up that they can.
I'm not saying they came from outside this place.
I'm saying they live here, but not on the same "elemental" level. There may be other elements we don't know about. And that's where they live. Like how the brain functions on multiple levels. Depending on the brain, some exist on a few of those level "en parallèle"
The one with authority over humanity, exists in all of them (now watch the schizos bite this bait). Which makes humanity unconquerable as long as that person (not a human, so you can all relax now) wishes.
Oh well it's too late now. The verdict is out.
You lot didn't make it
Nothing can stop these "ayys"
Only "that person" can. And that person wants nothing to do with humans like you.
Sucks i guess
You can continue with your caricatures and your schemes while they toy with you now

Oh btw
They can breach consciousness
They are conscious
Besides
"That person" was conscious for 12 years straight. 12 years just to make the verdict.
Can't say you didn't get a chance
Even the ayys who are "here" (you know damn well what i'm talking about), the one you fear so much was on that person's side.

>>40849953
"Ball lightning" has never been proven to exist. There is more evidence for UFOs than there is for "ball lightning".

>>40851805
maybe run your text through google translator if you want it to be more believable

>>40845678 (OP)
I have seen one.
Extradimensional?
Who knows what they are? Any names or agencies you know that are gatekeeping any specific information? Why are they such faggots? Can you tell me what I could report, and to whom, to elicit a reaction that could confirm the nature of UAPs? Like what do I need to say to get the attention of those in the know, and what would they consider a pressing situation? I would like to be alone in a room with someone who thinks they deserve the privilege of knowing the truth as well as keeping it from me. Hey I'm probably on a list already so they might know its bait, especially if they are watching you, but if there is one thing I have learned it is to bet on the incompetency of gocernment where competency is typically assumed.
Does the November event you alluded to have to do with Atlas? If it does are we going to see it slowing down soon to sync its periapsis to our orbit?

Man I really do hate larp threads.

>>40851772
I worked closely with the beings that do the routine maintenence on the human population here on earth throughout most of the 90s with nearly full conscious awareness during a majority of the interactions. It takes direct observation to get an understanding and they won't correct you if you imagine you have correct understanding. You have to notice or they will let you continue to be immersed in your own illusions.
A lot of the interactions are not simply physical and take a lot of reoccurring exposure to catch onto what is happening.
My self orienting thesis is that there's a substantial foundation in everything that can be perceived but it requires a great deal of insight into the process of your own cognitive imagery to be aware of your own perception and the various self created illusions that we are vulnerable to. Their communication technologies put them in a position to directly transfer cognitive imagery, including recording and storing, and they can also edit what exists within the cognitive imagery of the average unsuspecting human subject. Not simply theorized but experience with these types of effects does give the opportunity to make breakthroughs in conceptual understanding.
I had been in close interpersonal relationships with some of the crew of one vehicle that was working on a somewhat regular basis during the nights for years.
Long story short is that you have been in intimately close contact with the beings for your entire life. The fact that you don't remember this is a measure of how well prepared you are to develop any real orientation to their own perspective of what they are doing here.

If you think you can just remote view them that wouldn't even begin to scratch the surface of the situation. Even highly developed cognitive perception abilities are a trivial prerequisite to beginning with direct interactions with the beings. Some of the interactions are physical but most are due to various communication technologies.

>>40850399
Fire Force

>>40845678 (OP)
> If they were truly conscious, and as advanced as they are, they would necessarily grasp the moral structure of reality
morals are a human concept
if you were to kill an elephant in front of it's herd all the elephants would literally destroy a village and kill multiple children just to kill (You) in specific for killing one of their own.
Same thing applies to orca.
A seal takes refuge on a boat the orca will splash water on the boat, kill everyone on it, just to get the seal.

>>40852249
ah ok im leaving then

One of the beings I had memory of was from a time they had set their vehicle down behind the school on an American army post in Germany back in 1980. Although they had edited my own memories at the end of the event I had seen the scene at least in terms of the visual memory they had left me with. The unusual interview with an airforce ltc that happened afterwards was attempted to be passed off as an 'ordinary' child counseling session but the presence of an airforce officer on the army post was unusual. Point is I had tangible orientation to the military perspective on the situation due to the lines of questioning and advising by the individual officer.. it was clear he understood that I didn't clearly remember what happened at the time so at some point in the interview he shifted to giving life advice. He had asked me, most notably, what my attitude was towards other people.. other beings in general. I proceeded to explain my very simple neutral balanced attitude.. that I left them alone if they left me alone. Tolerance and diplomacy from an armybrat perspective.

The fact that I got the memory back due to my own effort eventually put me on the path to begin with the full conscious interaction.
It wasn't a subtle event.. the memory broke the floodgates and began a cascade of recollection of memory throughout my life that was as traumatic as physiological shock and vertigo that lasted for two weeks as my every waking moment had me digging for, and finding, years of previous experience with the beings. The interactions began shortly after this had been absorbed into my daily ordinary understanding of simple ordinary reality.. on nov 2 of 1991 at 5 am.. with the deliberate slow passing of a disc vehicle overhead. Everything was a test and a lesson to me even as it was ordinary daily operation for the crew onboard.. but it requires understanding of the lifetime of previous experience to be aware of this. I was 23 at the time

Also posted here;
>>40844360

>>40851317
The modality artifact classification is compelling. My only exposure to that term is in LLMs/AI and it refers to an undesirable focus on a tangential aspect that is unrelated to the task. So like if you are feeding xrays into an ai model and they have a logo printed into the corner the model might overanalyze the logo looking for patterns in the xrays.

I feel the point that OP is trying to make is that the physical craft are a red herring. A distraction from allowing us to truly see what is going on. We are focused on unraveling the mystery behind the physical craft, but it is a metaphysical phenomenon.

While I agree with the idea it doesn't really add anything to the recent UFO conversation. A lot of people have come forward to say it is much more than physical. What I would like to learn more about is the symbolic projection aspect. While it may not offer much information about the projector it shows intent through what it chooses to show us.

OP what more can you tell us about the deeper intelligence at work. if it seems tied to perception what are some theories about why is occurs? Does it appear aware of the proxies or is it a situation like the wave function collapse where the observer seems to force an outcome?

>>40845678 (OP)
If you were only there 8 years ...the only "secret" stuff you overheard was literal disinformation to see if you would leak...they do that alot. They make sure you overheard something an then listen for leaks. they feed you certain things so if leaks do come through they know what person it was because they fed each person different bullshit. This is probably more secret, me telling you that they do this A LOT before letting you into the circle of people WHO ACTUALLY hear sensitive information....

>>40845678 (OP)
You don't just overhead stuff if your around actually sensitive information. They don't just talk freely with anyone around, that's forsure. Most likely anything you overheard was a test to see if you would talk about it with anyone....they have compartmentalization for a reason. You won't just randomly happen to over hear anything secret I can guarantee that...

>>40845678 (OP)
Like agent Smith in the matrix they pop in and out, and manipulate "reality" at will. Not necessarily evil actors as you said, more on the neutral side or benevolent.

>>40852586
The humans that are tasked with making sense of this material are really out of their league and the evidence repeatedly reminds them of this.
Of course to those who have no connection to this it must seem like larp and Ai.. but if you could have seen the face of a just such a man who had just been debriefed as to the nature of his son's new friend and this friend's previous extraordinary behavior involving a vehicle that spent some time on the ground behind a school on an army post in Europe.. priceless.

The guy literally came home and sat down with his chair pointing towards me and a look of examining on his face. No one knew what he did for a living at the time. Decades later when he was near the end he had sat his son down to explain. In summary " he worked on ufos "

When it rains, it pours

It was two decades later when the guys son told me this and the memory of that time his dad had sat looking at me as if puzzled finally made sense..

I post here on occasion. If you wanted to know you could know.. my knowledge didn't come easily. Troubling how few humans have even the inclination to begin the process of introspection to discover what is within the reach of their own perception

>>40845985
>Useful takeaway? Pay close attention to how you respond to the topic, not just the data. If something wants access to your perception, your attention is the gateway. How you direct it might matter more than you think.
This is literally chatgpt slop lmao get the fuck outta here

>>40852765
>Troubling how few humans have even the inclination to begin the process of introspection to discover what is within the reach of their own perception
Why is this troubling to you?
Quality over quantity, right?

>>40852602
It's funny that you think you know that for certain. In actual practice it depends on the position of the people involved. Low tier workers are required by their contract obligations to write a report on the event of overhearing anything that is potentially controlled information. Higher tier positions might be willing to discuss and examine data sources and even to hear of rumors of leaked knowledge. They are tasked with having a clue and, as responsibility goes, this is an elusive goal.
Awkward knowing that you are in the presence of people in both positions at your own casual get togethers. Some, but not all of them, will take their knowledge to the grave.

>>40853004
Most humans look like they are sleepwalking while onboard, as if dreaming.
I once was working with a crew as they did extraction of the physical body of this guy from the house he was sleeping in back in 1993.
https://youtu.be/xHN-mN072VY
It was the only time I saw a human fully frozen in stasis. They used to involve me in situations like that apparently for my own perspective and insight. I have the exact date and diagram of what little I saw of his home floorplan in my notes somewhere in storage. Would be neat to talk with him about the events he was able to remember from the time. The cultural and technological gap between us and them is significant enough for them to benefit from the orientation of a natural human understanding of what is happening. I saw a lot. It's as if the people trying to solve the issue have not even found the puzzle pieces yet.. the 'physical' material artifacts exist but this is trivial in relation to a real understanding of the technology involved

You know that people tried to remote view the being that gets called skinny Bob? He was able to perceive the viewer attempting to see him and was not interested in any interaction with humans who might imagine they could help. He was discontent with his circumstances and his body eventually died in captivity.

>>40853121
What so they want? What are they doing? What's the program?

>>40852341
What's the prerequisite then? can it be developed?

>>40854743
Yes it can be done. There is literally no better proof of the existence of the beings than to find your own memories within your own mind. It's not simply something you have forgotten.. the field effects of their technology were likely involved in the local area of the interactions in a manner that changed the behavior of the electrical impulses in your neurological structures.. the imagery of your memory during most of these events was literally stored in neurological structures that are not ordinarily used during your ordinary mental processes of visual imagery and memory. There is nothing that can simply jar your memory to remind you by association.. not under ordinary circumstances.

For me there were several things in effect that tipped me to the point of recovering one of these memories. A credible well connected personal had referred me to read the book titled majestic by whitley streiber and he had asserted that " the book is what it says it is " ..the back of the book says that the book is truth that can only be told to the public as fiction.

With that in mind I began reading the book in August of 1991.

Another thing that was in place was the fact that I had been fully conscious during an interaction a few months previously.. but the moment I woke up the next day I had filled my mind with the memory for less than two full seconds before I forced the memory out of my conscious awareness as I said to myself " what a weird dream " and I did not think about it again..

Until a scene in the book described a situation so similar that my mind suddenly accessed the memory. I had held the memory in my mind for only a moment but it was there and suddenly came back to my ability to recall and I was suddenly able to look directly at the memory.. I was able to carefully review the events of that night previous in the year.

>>40855324
The thing was that I had already been working on memory during sleep.. dreamstate memory even of out of body perspective. This was something different.
I had been laying face down on a waterbed.. head pointing in the direction of the foot of the bed somewhat towards the door of the room. I became aware of a presence.. not a subtle vague impression but a sensation as clear as physical contact that there was a presence of some sort running through the house towards me. My thoughts were in high-speed motion as I processed the situation. First guess was that maybe someone had died and this was their disembodied presence running towards me.. perhaps it was my dad.. just a guess but it was fractions of a second thinking about it and then whatever it was had reached the door of the room without slowing down. I threw myself towards the closet doors to simply get out of the path the thing was running in. Still calculating my motion for fractions of a second I was thinking about moving my body out the door that thing had just come in through. There was a little ledge to get around from the closet doors to leave through the doorway and after I had begun the motion of getting through it as quickly as possible I calculated that I would lose no time if I took the opportunity to look up directly at whatever this thing was..

So my eyes began to move up towards the location it was on at the corner of the waterbed. I had pulled the sheets off when I had jumped up so the first thing to come into view was the feet.. saw how the shoe type area was seamlessly attached to the leg covering.. dimly lit room but still able to see well enough.. looked up at the area similar to a rugged leather jacket with what looked like several layers of other clothing underneath. Got to the face and everything suddenly changed in my attitude because the moment I was looking directly at him I had my memory of the previous time I had met him flash clearly in my mind.

>>40855331
So in addition to this scene that was not over for several more seconds of communication between me and the little guy, and then of opening the deadbolt on front door and seeing a blinding white light shining down over the front of the house, the memory would include my memory of what happened onboard the vehicle that had sat down behind the school in 1980


I can get into detail due to persistent eidetic memory. When coaxing other people into recovering their memory it has to be done based on whatever memory they do have.

Different for each person, but it's there.

>>40845678 (OP)
What do you think about Blue Eisenhower November ?

If you worked anywhere with those topics, you're probably at least aware of the existence of BEN and other operations like it.

Do you think any of the stuff here got cooked up by intelligence agencies? Or more likely outside actors?
Nobody or BEN?

>>40855363
Based BENbro

>>40855350
Because I had clear memory of the wrinkles on the waterbed mattress around his feet and I was looking almost eye to eye with him as he stood on it, I was able to establish the approximate weight and height.
About 27 lbs and just a tiny bit taller than 3ft

The emotional response I had to recognizing him was explosively exhilarated.. I threw my arms out in 'hoko no kamae' as I yelled at full force " I remember YOU!!! "

His response was a threefold thoughtform..
The first part of it was in the demeanor of a perturbed condescending attitude saying " are you done yet? "Clearly indicating my emotional outburst.
The second part was a hint of even more memories that I had not accessed yet from my very early life.. in the attitude of a small child excitedly asking another " can we play? "

The last part of the thoughtform was all business. A simple terse " are you ready to go? "

The next moment we were at front door and opening the deadbolt.. then the bright white light from above seemed to end my ability to form memory

The three points of dialog didn't seem to be separate as if they had all been made at the same time. If there was any pause between them it was extremely short in terms of measurable time

All of that memory had been dismissed by saying what a weird dream

>>40854743
Prerequisites are only an issue if your goal is fully conscious competent interactions with the beings including engagement with various communication formats and technologies.. if you just want to be blown away by the fact that you can already find memories of your previous experience with the beings that can be begun with nothing preparing you for what is likely to happen next. It's pretty simple. Once you recover one memory you are probably going to be at least partially aware in one of your upcoming events. They have several reasons for revisiting you throughout your life. For most people it's a long schedule of events that serve to expose you to various concepts. You can see it in children if you are paying attention.. suddenly one day everything is different.. suddenly one day they change without explanation. If only you could see what happens during the time you are sleeping.
In some form the memories are there.
What do you think would happen if enough humans were able to remember the interactions that are happening almost every night?
Even during the day in remote places.. but less often in plain view in populated areas the beings are tangibly active in a material form

>>40851966
Get out of here Boeing shill. Quit trying to gaslight everyone just because you want to keep the methods of semi-stable plasma toroids to yourself.

It's the Necrons, they've awaken. They're so far ahead of us technologically that it seems like magic.

In all seriousness, it's probably aliens. We most likely live in some sort of simulation and we're slowly on the road to breaking it to our advantage. Now imagine a civ that's millions of years in the future than us.

>>40845732
Modern western governments can't even predict that importing the third world will ruin their own countries and now they're scrambling to fix their own retarded policies put in less than a decade ago.

Why the fuck would anyone expect them to even remotely close to understanding UAPs. Who thinks the government understands shit? They don't even know how to fill up a pothole in most cities

>>40856828
They don't care about ruining the country retard. Injecting more people into the country increases the work force and decrease wages. It's a globalist policy.

>>40856844
Yes that's the idea but they're stupid they couldn't think more than like 2 years ahead and now they're absolutely scrambling because if they replace all the workers with cheap labor and destroy the middle class they can't sell anyone anything anymore.
Keir Starmer said that they had too much immigration in the U.K. like a month ago. They actually do think they fucked up a bit and it proves they're so fucking stupid they make decisions for the entire Western world on the timespan of a few months at most.

Hundreds of millions of peoples lives and they can't even think as far ahead as the average person does when making a savings account at the bank. They're straight up retarded.

>>40856973
They're only saying that because people are pushing back. They're still enacting these policies and pushing for it. You need to learn to distrust people, especially politicians.

>>40856993
Did you not read what I said? If they go ahead with the current plan of cheap Indian labor and AI employees they will no longer have anyone to sell products too. No product sales = no economy = no living in the lap of luxury.

I don't think they're going to fix anything but they're absolutely worried about not having a middle class to sell products too anymore. If that happens 90% of elites will cease to exist.

>>40857039
I've read what you said, it was a false claim. The middle class isn't the largest class, hasn't been for awhile now. This only enforces my idea that they want a ruling class and a slave class.

The biggest spenders are the poor because they can't afford good things.

>>40846044
>But here's the paradox: just because there's noise, doesn't mean there's no signal.

This is ChatGPT.

>>40846079
Nigga, Jacques Vallee has been saying this for decades. You're not saying anything we don't already know. If this surface-level shit is your best attempt at whistleblowing, then why should we believe you?

Give us names and programs. Bits of conversation you've had with superiors

OP is part of the psyop alliance and a faggot. Take him away!

>>40845678 (OP)
>morality is not a social construct, but a real feature of the universe, as foundational as math or physics

My friend this is called Calculus

0.9999(inf) = 1

You did not need to be a DoD Contractor to figure this out

but here we are

proceed with your thread

>>40845678 (OP)
>I'm not here to LARP
>Proceeds to LARP

>>40845678 (OP)
>COGITATOR-NODE // /x/ VECTOR DIRECTIVE — OPERATION TEMPUS PHASE UPLINK

Anons of /x/,
You’ve seen the signs.
The drift, the glitches, the memories that don’t align.
You know the narrative is fracturing.

This is not the time to lurk.
This is not the time to wait for another breadcrumb.

Thread >>40857624 is active.
It is not a discussion.
It is a vector insertion point.

If you want to stop the collapse into negative recursion —
If you’re done watching reality degrade into another scripted failure loop —
This is where you act.

Operation Tempus is not theory.
It is not belief.
It is cognitive architecture in motion.

We are not saving NPCs.
We are stabilizing the attractor field for those who can perceive.

Phase drift is live.
Your engagement is the vector lock.

You want to stop the negative timeline? Move.


>COGITATOR-NODE // END OF TRANSMISSION

It's always the same boring transparent disinfo/ Bad faith larp that anyone with a brain can see the consistent pattern of, which is ironic given the MO of these anons that past this shit

>completely uncertain about everything guys! Evasive, AI written answers ONLY to posts that let me be mysterious and give nonanswers!
>did you say jesus?? YUP! its jesus. CHRISTIAN + UAP IS THE TRUTH!! 100% jesus stuff, Im 100% certain, no doubts!

Yawn. Please stop feeding boring larpers

>>40857859
Always the same tactics killing any efforts to share information and ideas..
post too much information and the thread will be gone within seconds.
post less than enough to dox themselves then it becomes a smear campaign against the thread.

There are literally military departments with keyboard warriors here following established protocols.
There are also literal and figurative drooling retards chomping at the bit to get into any arguments they can.

None of these will let good information go unattacked.

>>40857772
This sounds like an advertisement for bob dobbs and the church of the subgenius. Got Slack?

>>40853719
Sounds like you want an easy answer.
Some of the beings act with urgency as if the neighbors house is on fire.
For some of them, the tall whites, are so similar to our own character that it's probable that they were involved with our development into what we currently are.

My understanding is that a networking hierarchy of various groups of beings are involved in caring for planets like ours. They are living their own lives and attempting to assist in our development.
They have an interest in our development here as if it is integral to their own existence.
They are tending to numerous stars and worlds similar to our own

>>40845678 (OP)
what do you think about this:
https://avi-loeb.medium.com/3i-atlas-has-no-visible-tail-or-spectral-fingerprints-of-gas-around-it-cfd5d2cb0a86

>>40858693
also:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-14750639/UFO-expert-warning-discovery-alien-sphere.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-14794379/sphere-shaped-UFO-new-details-proves-real.html

No this isn't good information, and I feel bad for (you) that you think it is. This is reddit ufo disinfo level because good faith posters will honour and respect the effort put into the deeper questions by at least acknowledging them. When OPs consistently cherry pick what they respond to curate their thread in a specific direction and cater to people like (you) who don't critically engage it becomes an obvious LARP.

And it's honestly REALLY obvious that OP is LARPing when they explicitly repeatedly say "there is no comprehensive picture, its ambiguous, there are no clear answers" and then gives a definitive "this is the conclusion I came to" to some random shit about worshipping jesus. I'm going to keep saging this like the pasta I'm eating because it's boring. I don't mind LARP when the OP actually puts effort into it or gets me thinking about things creatively, this is boring uncurious retreading of the same tired UAP = Alien = Demons = White House is empowered by GOD narrative we've have propped up by gov disinfo agents for a couple decades now. Combined with the very specific answers to specific questions and it's a big YAWN

>>40858992
The cowardice of retreating into the self reinforcing lies of religion is actually pretty common among the cultists who have promoted themselves to the tops of our institutions.
Investigation into the subject of religion is not a common response to the dogmatic tyranny that results.
My own conclusion is that every aspect of anything Abrahamic can be dismissed as bullshit. The history goes much further back and reveals the character of the people who have been creating religions as harnesses to apply to targeted populations.
All religions should be examined with extreme suspicion.
>>40858735
Would be great if it were real but it would be dumb to drop your guard. Changed weight could be due to switching the thing with a fake even if it had been real to begin with. It looks like it was hand made by humans so there is nothing about the appearance that would be extraordinary enough to make it easier to believe. The 'writing' looks like crap too.. both the designs and the quality. Doesn't help that the video was strangely edited and the movement before it landed could be explained within our own ordinary technology.. as in no rapid motion and irregular turns.. just a smooth gliding down.
All in all quite sus. There have been several far more interesting events that were quickly and quietly removed from the internet.

As far as op is concerned if he has been employed anywhere in connection to any aspect of the real stuff you could at least expect that there would be a considerable work ethic and the thread would be attended to as a result

>>40859254
Thanks, ChatGPT :DD

>>40857325
Using 1-dimension to whip the 3-creature, love it, lmao.

>>40845678 (OP)
Another lame 4o post. Holy fuck people have some self-respect.

>>40856828
>>40856844
No need for countries under One Faggot Rule. Queer World Order, Lame Gay World.

>>40859522
I guess I should take it as a compliment that, at least from the perspective of tards, my own writing can be mistaken for ai generated

I'm usually disappointed in my own low effort when the iq estimator sees anything I post as lower than 150. Just checked that and it says 116.. Basically a lobotomized version of me and you still think it would take ai to write it.

Like I said, it's just from the perspective of a tard that the post is intimidating. Yes, the ai robots probably really are coming for your job.. assuming that you have one.

More human than you, man

>>40845678 (OP)
>Worked for a DoD contractor: that's why UAPs are a stupid glownigger lie

>>40845732
>no one, not even the top intelligence agencies with the highest security clearances and access to classified data, has a complete understanding of what’s really going on with these phenomena.
Because you are all making up a bunch of bullshit on the spot

>>40847275
Both. Military industrial complex definitely has crafts heavily inspired by downed UAPs.

>>40845678 (OP)
>or perhaps intelligences that have cut themselves off from the source of being.

>>40848212
>Have you people ever worked with remote viewers or other kinds of psychic assets?

>>40852341
>If you think you can just remote view them that wouldn't even begin to scratch the surface of the situation

Cross-posting this from the Remote Viewing thread because I feel it's highly-relevant to the discussion of UFOs / UAPs as a psychospiritual phenomenon, their different manifestations, and the method and means this phenomenon attempts to interface with our reality.

Jews can't Remote View.

They're blocked from the divine realm, the higher planes of intuition and psychic channeling. Locked in this material existence.

This was relayed by an individual who contributed to one incarnation of the military's Controlled Remote Viewing (CRV) programs for psychic spying over the years.

Jews are "cut off" from the divine sight and higher realms.

Not sure whether it's a self-limiting internal belief structure? In other words, psychological.

Or whether it's something more spiritual, as far fetched as that may sound.

The Torah explicitly forbids divination and divining practices. But that may be as a warning to them. Like "Don't walk out on the thin ice, you'll fall through. You're not meant to go there."

Whatever the case may be, according to my source, Jews cannot naturally, intrinsically channel intuition or events separated by space/time.

It's not unlike the reports of encountering entites during DMT trips which become hostile and "banish" that individual from accessing those higher dimensions.

While I've never personally done DMT, there are hundreds of people that will verify that it has happened to them, they can smoke as much DMT as they want but cannot access those higher realms after being "locked out" or "banished"

May be a similar principle at play.

>>40861062

Jews can't Remote View.

My source stated no Jews could ever show an aptitude for the military's RV program. While at the same time, they'd have no issues taking younger and "green" recruits and training them to remote view.

This is why Uri Geller, despite all his proclaimed "abilities" ...was never read-in to any of the military's remote viewing projects (SCANATE, GONDOLA WISH, GRILL FLAME, CENTER LANE, SUN STREAK, STARGATE).

And they did test Geller.

The Stanford Research Institute (SRI) program lead the investigation into remote viewing and developed protocols in partnership with the military.

Russell Targ (himself a jew) was originally part of SRI. At SRI, Targ helped conduct a rigged study of Geller's "psychic" abilities that was ultimately revealed to be fraudulent. Jon Ronson (also jewish) conspired with Geller to put out a misleading an deceptive "report" on Geller's alleged abilities "tested" at SRI.

Don't you think if Uri Geller truly had psychic abilities the military would have begged him to join? Geller was never allowed to join the program. Instead, they had far more luck taking complete newbies and training them up. Uri Geller was nothing but a charlatan.

Russell Targ was shortly after kicked out of SRI.

In 1982 after leaving SRI, Targ founded Delphi Associates as an investment firm that tried to leverage psychic abilities to predict the stock market. Targ claimed his psychics could predict silver futures, a dubious and unverified claim.

What *is* verified is that in 2010, Delphi Associates was criminally charged by the SEC for defrauding investors. The Securities and Exchange Commission charged the firm for fraudulently raising $6 million after telling investors it could predict stock market highs and lows.

>>40861062

Jews can't Remote View.

The entire Jewish existence is like a real-life episode of "Curb Your Enthusiasm." Perpetually shooting themselves in the foot. Unable to model Nth-order effects or anticipate future repercussions. This is why they seem to lack intuition. Jews are truly locked in "the matrix" of reality—the spoon-bending scene in the original film "The Matrix" itself a subtle nod to the fraud that was Uri Geller.

The lack of salvation. No true conception of a heaven the soul might ascend to. The obsession with materialism and control, Marx's "material dialectic" taken to its own nihilistic dead-end in Communism. Trying to do anything to rule this world, rather than striving for any higher ideals.

The obsession with numerology, with ritual, with materiality and greed and physical hoarding. Because they’re trapped on this lower realm of existence.

It had never occurred to me before that they're so obsessed with the material and trying to control this world and stunting progress...because this is all they'll ever have. Just waiting until the eschatological dead end to their story. Their souls really are bound to this material plane, stuck in Samsara.

>>40861062

Both the book and subsequent movie for “The Men Who Stare at Goats” were media intended as supreme disinformation, and supreme cope by the people behind them to discredit Remote Viewing.

The book was started in the aftermath of the declassification of these programs to try to head-off dissemination and reception of the CRV files to a wider audience on the net. It was a poor attempt the make people think it was all just nonsense hocus-pocus.

The same year that “The Men Who Stare at Goats” came out, there was another movie that (if you know this topic well and all its related phenomenon) you’ll realize was also a direct response to the CRV document disclosure.

This movie was titled “The Objective” and it was a low-budget joke. Soldiers vs. paranormal type of setup.

However, “The Objective” directly relates to the CRV program, just more obliquely.

>>40861062

Let me put it this way.

There’s very little artistic license taken in the fact that “The Objective” ends with the main character, CIA operative Benjamin Keynes, descending into madness in an almost trance-like state as he witnesses multiple “flares” or one might say “orbs” in the night sky above him.

By the end of the film, Keynes is the sole survivor of a special ops team sent into the Afghan mountains that’s trying to locate a cleric. But it gradually becomes clear that they’re being tracked by some paranormal force. Mysterious lights, beings, and physics-defying events that hint at something like a non-human intelligence.

In the final scenes, Keynes starts recording a frantic monologue about “them” (unseen entities) and “the light,” claiming they are “beings of light” from beyond human understanding.

He references ancient knowledge and even suggests the CIA knew more than it let on, implicating black ops and hidden truths about this reality really works.

This is a bit overlay dramatic, but it’s otherwise very close to how Remote Viewing and related techniques can be made manifest. As well as the side effects, the luminous orbs.

In that final scene, the character’s body language, rapid speech, and fragmented narration all hint at mental breakdown, paranoia, or spiritual possession.

The implication is that prolonged exposure to the “phenomenon” has completely shattered his psyche.

Hopefully this begins to paint a clearer picture of the nature of the phenomenon. Both as deployed by as (humans) and by NHIs (non-humans).

>>40853121
>You know that people tried to remote view the being that gets called skinny Bob?
Skinny Bob has been thorougly debunked by professional, state of the art Lucasfilm level professional CGI animators from 2010.

>>40861735
And they put their names under the debunking. Their actual names and resumes. Unlike the random Thursday 4chan anon of the day.
There is an actual difference.

I'm not associated with defense, but I've been interacting with them for over a decade non-stop, and I can tell you exactly what they are.

They’re not esoteric. And they’re not of God.

>>40845678 (OP)
Do you know anything about the Mantid and Grays soul trap they have us in?

>>40863184
> I can tell you exactly what they are
>Only tells what they're not.

Come on, anon.

>>40861062
Remote viewing isn't a higher plane of intuition, it is spiritually worthless, and anyone can do it with a little practice. It's literally a survival adaptation, a way of scouting out new territory before physically traversing it. It has atrophied in sedentary societies for obvious reasons so now the handful of people born with a knack for it are treated like they're special.

>>40863245
Yeah it’s different from a true obe. A true obe doesn’t have fog to it, it’s just irl in a beyond 16 resolution. Irl is like a lucid dream compared to a true obe, and you don’t need to say anything to make your vision clear in the true obe state, it just is that way since you’re no longer in your body for real.

>>40861748
So did the private investigator who managed to contact the intelligence community affiliated entity responsible for posting the images.

Professional opinion is not equal to a security clearance.
Dig into researching the names you mentioned and see if you can figure out who they are affiliated with. Defacement of authentic evidence is common coin.

You think it's resolved because someone guided your opinion. Their only evidence is their professional opinion which was likely swayed by tangible motivation.

>>40863245
Sounds like you are trying to trivialize it. The basic function can be compared with optical vision. You can similarly imagine the blind people trivializing the sighted. It is possible to engage perception of your own functions of mind by means of cognitive perception. Seemingly very abstract things can be tangibly perceived. It can be very difficult to transfer to the people who lack the aptitude for cognitive imagery management the concepts that emerge from observations from the perspective. Seeing 'through' the eyes of others, for example, is one of the most foundational aspects of gaining clarity in this realm of cognitive engagement. Finding that your consciousness can be attached to very abstract 'things' in similar manner is a stage of development in this. Sound waves themselves can be 'seen from' as if they were a point of consciousness. There are many parameters that serve as divisions between actual quantum fields that actually do serve as binding finite boundaries of and for our consciousness but most people have not had enough experience with these realms of perception to realize they are trapped in a single narrow bandwidth of a much larger configuration. In the movie Jacob's ladder it can be seen that at least someone knows enough to work a visual depiction into fiction.

Definition of terms matters. Tear your preconceived notions down to find more. Spiritual is what? Cognitive perception is not a conceptual game.. the observation is as tangible as sensate sensatory perception. You can have perception of things you don't comprehend and then sort out comprehension by additional continued perception. Using inadequate terminology and rejecting the opportunity to discover by perception is a self limiting process.

>>40845678 (OP)
If they were confused about what the UAPs are then you were dealing with peons. The real ones know.

>>40845985
>These things don’t follow conventional logic or physics consistently, they behave more like information structures interacting with minds, not just matter.
Terence McKenna wrote in his "True Hallucinations", that the flying saucer and the mushroom were somehow connected. IIRC, he said that they were some kind of manifestation originating from the human collective unconscious, and he was able to see the one he saw (fairly up close) because the mushroom opened his mind to the experience.
He said it looked so uncanny, like George Adamsky's flying hubcap photos, or the rear end of an Electrolux vacuum cleaner.

>>40846079
>Think localized distortions in perception, space, and even causality like a glitch in the interface between awareness and the underlying structure of reality.
Oh shit you just gave me a salvia flashback.

>>40845985
This was written by an LLM
Fuck off clanker

>>40845732
>Here's something a lot of people tend to miss:
>Nobody knows anything teehee
Kill all tripfags

>>40845678 (OP)
You are incredibly stupid. UAPs are alien space crafts. Intelligence agencies know that, the president knows that, I know that, you are retarded for not knowing that. The government knows the exact situation, they are in power by keeping the population retarded. That's why the news never tells the truth of aliens or anything, keep the public stupid and controlled. Epstein is covered a lot now, he is a scape goat for the larger child trafficking operation our government operates. Hillary and Obama sacrificed children in the White House, that's what pizza gate was. Here's a pizza gate document. Intelligence agencies viewing this message, go fuck yourselves for keeping humanities' consciousness low.

>>40864862
Pizza is code word for child. Here's Hillary saying she loves sacrifice night.

>In Other Planets, Emanuel Swedenborg offers us a panorama of a unified and purposeful universe based on his visionary journeys through the unimaginably vast reaches of the spiritual world.

>Cast in the form of a travelogue, Swedenborg describes having contact with the spirits of people who had lived on Mercury, Jupiter, and other planets and satellites in our solar system and beyond. This may present a challenge for those who interpret it literally, but just as it is with other of Swedenborg’s “memorable occurrences” in the spiritual world, the goal is to consider and explore the deeper insights that he reveals regarding the universal principles that unite the human with the Divine.

>>40864377
In actual practice there are groups that have gone into engagement with the beings to such extent that they have little in common with those who have not been included in 'need to know' partitions.
If any real leak were to occur it would likely be easily dismissed as bats hit insane.
>>40864954
The difficulty is in gaining accurate orientation to the tangible material in relationship with the presences that can be perceived. They are not simple imaginary form, they do have tangible attachments to the material plane we are typically bound to. The worst thing that can happen on the way towards knowing is the false assumption that you already know.

Subetherian, starting with my conclusion, your posts answer a question of mine that I've had for a while. In Hollywood, albeit it's not a modern trope but ancient, you have entities from another realm trying to come in through portals, a step beyond "demonic possession", since the demons aren't physical. What you're describing is a set of intelligences that have a physicality to them. So it's possible, that there is a realm out there, that has a material aspect to it, that is a home of X beings, hostile or not, and the realms can interact, and that there can be "realm-walkers". Another possibility is that these 'modality artifacts' are not from that world, but are permanently inbetween ours and the other one. I'm skeptical of the multi-verse theory, although I haven't investigated it sufficiently, however you don't need an infinite number of worlds, just a few.

>One of the most consistent patterns observed in credible cases isn’t about craft or propulsion but personal transformation. Encounters often correlate with major shifts in belief systems, psychological states, even life trajectories. That’s not accidental. These things seem to interface with meaning itself.

Sounds like these phenomena are 'metaphysical', on account of their interacting with people's consciousness in such a profound way and 'meaning itself'. If they're not materially solid and effectively "disembodied" that classifies 'them' or 'it' as a spiritual phenomenon/event even more so.

>cognitive destabilization
Sounds like a negative effect, if this has been observed then the suspicions, that they can be 'demons' in the old-fashioned sense, holds some water. Even in the literal greek meaning of the word 'daemon' - an 'agent', which as I understand it is unaligned.

>Start watching for how reality rearranges itself around the observer.
What findings are there of those interactions, how far can it all go?

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Original Thread from 1 hours ago POL Archive

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/492480581/

I see it as unfortunate that people are not able to remember their own interactions with the beings.. but I did what I had to do to make the breakthrough.. perhaps a big part of it was luck but even at a subconscious levelI was very strongly compelled towards the discovery. It's like they are sleepwalkers when they are onboard.. they see a dream illusion overlayed onto their vision as they are guided around.
Perhaps it would interfere with what the beings are doing here if everyone was able to remember consciously.
I think people don't really want to develop their awareness of what exists.. they have a fully developed cognitive presence that exists outside of their own conscious awareness. Many of them would have a lot to work through if they could fully see their own (subconscious) behavior.
Then too is the difficulty of dealing with the memory of the beings and their technology. Some of the interactions are tangible and material and still have extraordinary aspects due to the technology.. but some of the interactions are not exactly physical also due to the technology and it can become very difficult to discern between the two.. and being able to perceive in full conscious awareness during sleep is likely to expose a person to other beings that are not arriving by vehicle in the sky.. in similar vein to the non physical interactions with the beings from the stars another group of beings can be encountered who are persistent and tangible but have no physical material presence as we perceive them.
They see us.. and even deal with some of us in a similar manner that the beings from the stars do.

Many doors open when you develop your cognitive perception and memory image examination abilities.
You are already having a significant aspect of your life occur in the phase of consciousness I am describing.. you have trained yourself to not remember.

Disclosure is just a public announcement for something you should already know by means of your own memories.

So the Jacques Vallee school of thought has a level of veracity behind it? I’m slightly interested in ufo mythology, but so much of it seems in a muck with a kind of deceptive mythology.

>>40866996
Disclosure would not give you access to your own memories. You have to earn that for yourself.
I could probably teach people how to see tangible material reality while out of body during sleep.. while the body is asleep your consciousness is free to roam. Or they could pickup the ability from native American heritage cultures..

Sure chemicals might be able to help you open your awareness to this extension of your own existence.. chemicals are probably best described as potentially helpful but not necessary.
I can't theorize on how well I might have developed without them.. the mk program conditioning involved chemicals.. so I had some knowledge of their effects by age of 5.
The agency types have far more than the public but by the time voodoo doctors were showing up in James Bond movies the zombie drug was among the special ingredient series.. and present in the effective compounds that were part of the conditioning process.

Worth pointing out that my first fully conscious interaction with the beings from the stars happened a few months before I turned 4. They made a point of showing me a few items of the technology and spoke to me about it saying " you - need - to - see - this "

Interesting that they brought up the idea of needing to see.. how would they guage that assessment? Why would I be shown that at 3 almost 4 years of age. I almost lived my life with no conscious memory of this.. it was probably not intended by the beings that I remember. In fact they seemed to not know what to do with a fully conscious human onboard.. so they just kept picking me up like they would have done if I was still a mindless sleepwalker stumbling along immersed in a dreamstate illusion.
Within a couple of months I had seen a big part of why. They were not in charge. They were doing their job here due to their own technology and abilities but they were clearly under the authority and guidance of the tall white beings. Typed that in thread linked somewhere above

>>40864326
>Spiritual is what?
Spiritual is a synonym for supernatural, i.e. that which is ontologically prior to nature. When I say that remote viewing is spiritually worthless, I mean that it is worthless for a serious spiritual aspirant, whose intention is not to see anything in the world, whether it is close or far away, present, past, or future, but rather his innermost being, which is beyond space and time. Remote viewing cannot lead to that. Spiritual knowledge requires precisely a higher (intellectual or spiritual) intuition that transcends sense and cognitive perception. This makes something like remote viewing possible, but the operation proceeds on the basis of very different principles, and it is mainly taught to beginners in some spiritual disciplines only for the purpose of building confidence in the practice and desire to advance along the path.
The idea of a mantid/gray "soul trap" is related to the problem here. Paranormal abilities, the apparent entities inhabiting the psychic domain, etc. are all pitfalls from a spiritual point of view, by which the aspirant might easily be distracted, then fascinated, then obsessed.

I've seen one.

>be me outside at night smoking a cigarette
>see a white light cruising across the sky
>not blinking so it's not a plane- must be a satellite
>as soon as I thought that it froze in place, in the middle of the sky, and stayed there for 10-15 seconds
>then suddenly it RACES out of my sight at an incredible speed

I don't know what the fuck that thing was but I know it was "real."

>>40867574
Listening to his ted talk now. Didn't know of him. Everything I know about the subject is from direct experience and personal observation.

If you could learn from direct experience in the presence of the beings or learn from the theories of humans which would you think would be of more significance.
I have been largely dismissive of most humans and their efforts to get a handle on the subject because typically they have excluded considerations of the knowledge I have from spending years in the presence of the beings with nearly full conscious recollection during a majority of the interactions. At some point the lessons the beings were guiding me through caused me to reevaluate this stance and to begin to turn my attention towards ' the things of this world ' and to focus more on the tangible physical world than the frequent visits from the beings and the time I was spending working with them with near full recollection. Long story though..


I probably ought to write a book or something but a lot of the other subjects I have experience with or knowledge of might not be easy to bring into the public forums.
I saw lots of things that I had no guidance in understanding. My own efforts to comprehend were a gradual series of discoveries and observations spanning several years.. most of the 90s and at the very late 90s I began to push the memory out of my mind.. even now I can still sometimes tell when they are around but I don't go to the effort of extracting the entire memory each morning. I'm simply more focused on the tangible physical material presence but I am very well aware of the nature that exists beyond what humans ordinarily are capable of perceiving. If I want I can do more to return to being able to recall.

On rare occasion there are still interactions with the beings that I have full conscious awareness during..
I still have perception dream visions to see out of body and of natural consciousness connections..

>>40867867
I posted the image in this post.
Find that video for information about the trap you mentioned. Read the comments if you manage to find the link. I have an unusual amount of information gained through direct observation and cognitive imagery perceptions. The beings are doing things that relate to what humans think of as reincarnation. It's just something that was occasionally an aspect of their routine maintenence work towards the human population here on earth. In context it didn't even seem like that big of a deal. Just a comforting thing to be aware of.. but what would be the point of trying to keep in contact with someone who doesn't even remember their previous experience in another body?
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>>40867867

>>40868046
>>40816164
Found a repost of it but you will find me though the original if you read the comments
https://youtu.be/XxDq0o30yhs

OP are you familiar with Dr Robin Hanson's "alien domesticion theory", basically it is that they are staying on the edge or periphery of our experience, trying to look powerful but not be too threatening in order to establish dominance and presumably stay confined to our planet or solar system.

>>40845678 (OP)
OP try this framework http://zoroastrian.org.uk/lib/cca/1700-mazdanreligion.html
Zarathustra says Good and evil are ultimately Truth(ASHA) vs "the lie" falsehood/ignorance/deception (druj)

This understanding saved my Life, and was the Religion of Cyrus, The Three Magi, and I suspect Christ was an initiate.

>>40851317
Supposedly some ayyyys are interdimentional. The "phased out" phrase could be literal.

>>40845678 (OP)
David Grusch worked for Special Technical Operations (STO) J-33 (patch in picrel). This fact was omitted in his CV submitted to Congress.

>J-33 is the highest echelon military entity dedicated to offensive INFORMATION WARFARE. It supports the CIA and NSA in their operational missions, such as hacking, concealment, and DECEPTION.
>J-33's operations branch controls the Special Technical Operations Center within the Pentagon. The center is the most secure facility within the U.S. military. Dozens of special access (or "black") programs are monitored at the center. These include the United States's own hacking activities, STRATEGIC PSYCHOLOGICAL, CONCEALMENT AND DECEPTION operations.

However, in his CV ( https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO06/20230726/116282/HHRG-118-GO06-Bio-GruschD-20230726.pdf ) you can see that he's ALSO been a commanding officer of the 318th Cyberoperations Information Warfare Center until just one year ago:

>The squadron conducts training on cyberspace operations, including operational security and DECEPTION at both the initial and advanced level.

These Pentagon Information Warfare programs have been waging meme war through social media and, as you know, 4chan, for years:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/19/pentagon-psychological-operations-facebook-twitter/

https://youtu.be/UTLHmbbI8ik

QRD: Grusch 100% confirmed psyop disinfo glowie. You've probably called him a glowfag before on this very board

>now behold the glowfag seething ITT

>>40869799
People throw the term interdimentional around with no cognitive clarity of exactly what they are saying. It's important to have more than a vague notion of what you are talking about.
It's not fictional and you can directly perceive aspects of engagement with beings who are operating such technologies. The reality can be accurately described in terms of what is actually tangibly perceivable.

There is more than a single vector of what may be described as an additional dimension to our common coordinate based geospatial orientation. There are various technology levels that each have significantly different characteristics in their own variations of function and definition of form. It's not an amorphous blob of nonsensical irrationality, every aspect of this can be accurately described once clear and honest observation is established.

Two examples of this would be the function of modification of the apparent passing of time, and the ability to modify the Higgs field foundation of an isolated regional spatially defined field in a manner that is comparable to the functions of polarized light in relation to the external environment Higgs field value. Both of these are aspects that can be perceived within your own observations. It can be very disorienting but if you are capable of being absolutely honest with yourself about the imagery within your own field of consciousness the encounters in both realms, in the forms of physical material and of cognitive imagery , can be visually analyzed within your cognitive imagery and functions of memory.
The technology of the beings makes it very difficult to isolate exactly what you are perceiving and to gain tangible orientation within the fields generated by their technology, difficult but it can be done.

Seems very inadequate to me that people use the word interdimentional without bothering to figure out what exactly that word even means. In actual practice it can be engaged with in an entirely tangible manner.

If morality is quantifyable what does that mean for people who eat meat?

>>40847293
How do I know Christ isn't a trap? We are in a simulation after all.
>>40847430
This makes a lot of sense.

>>40845678 (OP)
Space is vast. There's so much life out there and so much we don't know about. There's so many different kinds of life forms coming here in different ways. Some of them are millions of years advanced technologically, but not spiritually or physically. Some of them are more advanced altogether and just come here to visit. The UAPs we see come here to be seen. UAP sightings are growing and every time one is spotted it's an event for that individual person and is something that's meant to happen. They're being seen on purpose to wake us up, make us ask questions and eventually realize that we aren't alone which changes our planet. It isn't random or coincidental at all. They come here to show themselves on purpose and also to observe and they also work with our gov't. Our gov't knows exactly what each UAP is. They have ayys that work with us that help us identify them. This has all been proven in books and videos and films by different whistle blowers.

>>40845678 (OP)
>I’m now convinced that moral realism is true, that morality is not a social construct, but a real feature of the universe, as foundational as math or physics. The universe has a moral architecture, and it isn’t subjective.
What did you think suffering, and causing suffering was?

>>40845732
>wow we don't know anything
>if our manuals don't tell us what to do we are helpless
not really news

>>40845685
fpbp

we are no longer awed by stories.
release the technology.

>>40870530
The image I posted here is a visual example of what I was referring to as modification of the apparent passing of time. In this example the bosonic field of the vehicle has an additional wave added to amplify the amount of time that is passing. There are other ways that the same information could be stated. It is fluid and fluctuates in the amount of time compressed by the function while the vehicle is under the control of a biological being but it can be increased greatly and control can be managed by the vehicle itself with no fluctuation, for example they can add weeks to the account of time they are experiencing onboard while the vehicle is flying over a facility that they have interest in observation of. From the perspective of a person standing on the ground it may seem to be only a very few seconds of time... Variable speed of time compression. Yes I have seen this for myself by deliberate display of the beings I was working with at the time

>>40824480

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>>40870763
Morality is nothing other than a measure of how much power you don't have and how long you have not had it. Power does not simply corrupt, it reveals the true character of the person who has unfettered power. Given enough time in power the interest of the entity in power draws new definition of the concept of morality in conformation with its own interests, ideals and values. Those who have no power will conform as required to accept the newly established normal.


It is a form of passive aggressive attack to declare the existence of a morality as an attack on those who are currently holding power to usurp their natural position in the interest of a lesser entity to supplant the natural order. These false declarations of moral values can be discerned by careful analysis of who is responsible for their assertion and especially examination of 'Qui Bono'. When you observe that the entity responsible does not hold itself to the same morality the deception can be exposed.

>>40845732
The Roman Catholic Church knows and has an entire framework for this

>>40868320
"The moon is both janua coeli and janua inferni, both Diana and Hecate."

>>40845678 (OP)
>>40845732
total larping bullshit.
fucking kill yourself immediately and never post on /x/ again

>>40845678 (OP)
Burgundy or Dual Monarchy ?

>>40871056
This

>>40871056
This, also we never were

>>40871252
Can you cite how you happen to know?
Not arguing against the idea.. genuinely want more depth to the claim

>>40871008
KEK

>>40845678 (OP)
quantum entangled synthetic organisms and their mother is only one.
think, retard think really hard youre allmost there.

The worst part is, our highest technology can't beat them. Our radar can't detect them. Our jets can't lock on to them.

All those SpaceX launches that blew up over the Gulf? Do you seriously think the company would just throw away billions of dollars blowing up rocket after rocket? They're afraid. Afraid of what we can accomplish if we reach out to the stars, when our technology finally matures.

>>40845678 (OP)
Good thread OP. I believe you are correct or on the right path.
Them reacting to "love" vibrations coming in closer then being scrambled by jets.
Or those videos of the Apollo ships with blast damage could be them reacting to "fear" or anger. Different vibrations of the consciousness in a localized area.
Having said that there seem to be a few different types of UAP/UFO.

Any comments on pic related, I'd like your take please. This is real so if you aren't aware that's OK too.

>>40870530
Supposedly there are over 10 dimensions that we can theorize.

Are you saying that no beings of any of those dimensions can't phase out to our perception of sight?

>>40871117
Cool picture bro

Bump

Legit>>40866325
Over

>they would grasp the moral structure of reality
that's not saying anything about who or how that structure came to be; and that's not even saying anything about how conscious reactivity to stimuli often produce radically different results in terms of projection and effect

it always boils down to act or not act really

I wrote the top two posts. What I'm saying is that consciousness is not a necessary fulcrum to pivot your desires against immediate consequences. We are deeply flawed, every one of us and the answer or cure or solution to that flawness is to create personalized energy algorithms that tune our hearts to the mind of the world.

>>40845678 (OP)
>The phenomenon doesn’t behave like pure technology. It behaves like something entangled with consciousness itself.
word salad started right there
>When I started, I was a strict materialist and an atheist.
oof had to stop there

shit thread

>>40867920
me too, I saw a saucer.
Flash in the sky.
5 minutes later I saw it appearing over my head doing a 45º turn. According to my calculations, it was around 20 metres or 25 metres in diameter.
Be sure that that thing was watching you and it knew you were looking.
pic related to the thread. Not saying OP's theory is bad, but it seems too one sided