>Get out of the churches
>Institutional religion is the beast
>The dragon tries to devour the woman and her children
>The Bride is in the wilderness not the church
>Return to worship in the wilderness
>Vatican is Pharisee Temple 2.0
>Jesus was in the wilderness
>John was in the wilderness
>The Bride is in the wilderness
>Be an exile, find Jesus through the narrow gate
>The church are the wide gates
>Many will say Jesus Jesus but He never knew them

Tell me more

>>40882454
>Vatican excommunicates people
>cuts you off from the eucharist
>they believe the eucharist is functionally required for salvation
>salvation is required for entry to Heaven
>excommunication = denied entry to Heaven

Matthew 23:13 (ESV):
“But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
You shut the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces.
For you neither enter yourselves nor allow those who would enter to go in.”

>>40882454
Jesus built his church over Bashan, Mt. Hermon
>2500 miles from Rome
No scripture says Peter passed the mantle to Saul/Paul
Why is Jesus' Bride in Rome? The scripture doesn't tell us this.

>Revelations 12:6 "And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days."

What was the Bride fleeing?

>Revelation 12:4 - "And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it."

What is the dragon? Institutions of power and control.

The Bride is in the wilderness, not in the church. The church tries to claim they are the bride.

Jesus does not marry an empty building.

The Bride is in you when you find her. The bride is in the wilderness, in the exiles.

Isaiah 34:14 (ESV):

“Wildcats shall meet with hyenas;
goat-demons shall call to each other;
there too Lilith shall settle
and find for herself a resting place.”

Isaiah 54:1-4 (ESV):

1 "Sing, O barren one, who did not bear;
break forth into singing and cry aloud,
you who have not been in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than the children of her who is married,” says the LORD.

Revelation 12:4-6 (ESV):

4 His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it.
5 She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne,
6 and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days.

Revelation 19:7-8 (ESV):

“Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory,
for the marriage of the Lamb has come,
and his Bride has made herself ready;

Song of Songs 8:5 (ESV)

“Who is this coming up from the wilderness,
leaning on her beloved?”

I told you God wouldn't let you take me.

>>40882454
>picrel

>>40882702
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm1NFElYkoE

>>40882439 (OP)
OP, you're an idiot. The first Church established is recorded in Acts. And that is where the term Christian was established. The word broken down means like-Christ, or follower of Christ.

Matthew 23:3
So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.

OP is a blind guide spreading nonsense intentionally to try and confuse people.

>>40882854
I feel it's necessary to add this.

If you feel non-denomination is your thing then by all means do it. I'm not saying you need to go to a Church, but doing non-denomination means a gigantic responsibility on your end, and if you aren't willing to put forth the genuine effort to really understand your faith, then you're really just fucking yourself over.

Jesus isn't looking for lukewarm or indecisive people. If you're there, it's because you want to learn.

>>40882702
>tfw no nagalettes and meals of eggs whole in shell
why even molt

>>40882854
>>40882873
Matthew 5:20
For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

>>40882702

The Bride is the Church. God's Church is a Spiritual congregation, not a physical one. Those with His Spirit are His Children. You will know them by their fruit. OP is a wolf in sheeps clothing.

Ephesians 5:25
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her

Have a good day.

>>40882702
>>40882912
Serapis, Isis, Horus

>>40882914
Ephesians 5:31-32
31
“For this reason a man shall leave [his] father and [his] mother
and be joined to his wife,
and the two shall become one flesh.”

32 This is a great mystery, but I speak in reference to Christ and the church.

I think we are all subject to errors in our fallible nature and therefore in need of God's mercy probably to a large degree. I also think it's important to be part of *some* institution so as to have fellowship with the Church.

That being said, I think it's important to realize that the highest members of each institution may not have Christian interests in mind, and if you aren't willing to question your Church leadership and doctrines then it makes me beg the question whether you worship God or idolize your institution. I find this especially true of Roman Catholicism, as the institution comes with so much baggage, both morally and doctrinally, that I would find it very hard to justify labeling myself a member while being incapable of defending such practices and beliefs. I feel this way, moreso doctrinally, about Orthodoxy as well.

I won't accuse RC or Orthos of being fake Christians because Jesus said the metric we use to judge others will be used against us. But I think if you're going to be an honest Christian who values your ability to believe what truly makes sense to you, you need to be Protestant. The claims to apostolic authority crumble when viewed at deeper than face value, and usually RC and Ortho have to resort to word salad walls of text to argue otherwise.

>>40882944
>I also think it's important to be part of *some* institution so as to have fellowship with the Church.
Oh, it is. Those who take the hermit/ascetic path are doing it because they have an extremely solid foundation built with their faith. They can go out and do things on their own. Most people can't. It's ridiculous to compare everyone to people like monks, because not everyone can do that.

OP doesn't realize he is doing great harm, regardless of his intentions.

>>40882944
>you need to be Protestant.
There's no Spirit in Portestantism. It's a dead branch. I'm sorry, but it's true.

>>40882985
What makes you say that
Protestantism encapsulates a lot of different people and beliefs, it's quite the condemnation you're making
>Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven
Luke 6:37
You better have some good reasoning

>>40883002
You wouldn't understand.

>>40882920
the word
32 teeth
pearly gates
silver dual edge tongue i mean sword
mouths breathing fire

RAM S2

>>40883038
the secret name of god is silence when the two lips become one for giving god any name takes away form gods totality by limiting it to form

put a veil over the ghost but the ghost is not the veil

>>40883038
https://youtu.be/wgcaYAQo_qU?si=EHMsHCvXqr3vxrXh

>>40882944
Based take.

>>40882976
The Bride is returning in narrative, the foundation exists, now it's building.

>>40883164
You don't know what you're talking about. Stop with this nonsense already.

>>40883164
Remember, you will be judged harshly for trying to teach. And I promise you, your teaching is faulty. Consider this as your first warning.

>>40882854
>The first Church established is recorded in Acts.
BLASPHEMER

The first Church was 'petra', on Mt. Hermon, 2500 miles from Rome. Bashan. The Place of the Serpent. The Gate to Hades. Pan's Grotto. Enoch 1.

Matthew 16:18 ""And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock (Petra) I will build my church..."

Where are they standing? It's not in Rome, pal.

>>40883172
Ahh, the dragon appears. Come to warn me of magisterial authority?

Reminder that the woman of the apocalypse is just a retelling of the birth of Venus

>"dressed" by the light of the Sun (ie. the dawn)
>moon at her feet (moon & star symbolism, or it can also be the ocean, the shell)
>chased by the dragon like Saint Margarete (her name which means pearl or from a shell)
>also references the story of Aphrodite and her son who were chased by Typhon and they were turned into the Pisces constellation
>new Israel born of the old Israel meaning (from Uranus to Urania, who wears a crown of stars)

You could say Venus "gives birth" to the Sun sometimes in the sky, bun in an extra layer of irony you could say that Jesus' resurrection happening in Easter/Eostre means she is born from his death.

>>40883194
No. At that time, the Church hadn't been established yet, because Jesus was still there and hadn't sent the Disciples to preach the Gospel throughout the world.

>>40883208
I've said what I said.

>>40883210
My friend my friend it's that and more

The Bride is in the wilderness

>>40883215
2 Peter 2:1
1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.

>>40883219
Christ is King, YHWH in the flesh, and His bride is in the wilderness, not in your empty whitewashed Pharisees tombs of modern day.

>>40883215
I have first hand account with that entity and her followers since I was a child. There is absolutely nothing divine about her.

I'm not here to argue, just letting this stupid little group of people who are clearly working in unison that make these threads know something very important. I've said what I've said. Farewell.

>>40883229
They cannot hold the tension of paradox and succumb to Lilith's first veil of lust and power. It's a trap. The Bride is underneath the veils, redeemed. Lust becomes desire for Sacred Intimacy.

>>40883224
The only one who wants a bride is Jupiter, who is just as much a deity as Venus, meaning not at all.
Enough dilly-dallying with nonsense and "ascending" parasites in places of the divine.
I will leave to with that and take a page from >>40883230's book

“Foxes have dens, birds have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head” (Matthew 8:20; Luke 9:58)

Matthew 4:1-11

Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. [...] Then the devil left him, and behold, angels came and were ministering to him.

Mark 1:35

And rising very early in the morning, while it was still dark, he departed and went out to a desolate place, and there he prayed.

Matthew 3:1-4

In those days John the Baptist came preaching in the wilderness of Judea,

Luke 3:2-3

During the high priesthood of Annas and Caiaphas, the word of God came to John the son of Zechariah in the wilderness.

Matthew 7:13-14

“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many.
For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.”


The institutional church is a lie. The spirit is found in the wilderness. The Bride is found in a wilderness.

son of ma gang

>>40883288
Too late for all that now

>>40883215
The woman in the wilderness is Mary, she fled from the Roman’s trying to find the baby Jesus to kill; you know this because right after the wilderness verse it says the woman gave birth to Jesus who would rule with an iron Rod but he was caught up to heaven because of satans persecution (possessing the Jews to kill Satan), then he comes back.

Also the Catholic Church has never said Paul or Saul gained pope succession. We have documents on the second pope and all the way to the new pope. You can look it up on the Vatican websites which all Catholic Churches follow.

>Paul says the bride is the church
>John says the bride is New Jerusalem
>The Bride is also in the wilderness
>Vatican succession is post-Disciples retrofitted to political gain (Constantine)

The Bride is in the wilderness. Probably under Bashan.

>>40883920
Papal succession is not retrofitted for political power in Rome at all. Far from being a later invention, it has roots in the apostolic era, as evidenced by early Christian writings that emphasize the importance of episcopal succession to preserve doctrinal purity and church unity. For instance, Irenaeus of Lyon, in his work Against Heresies (c. 180 AD), lists the succession of bishops in Rome starting from Peter and Paul as a key proof of orthodox teaching against Gnostic heresies, stating that “it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church [Rome], on account of its preeminent authority.” 20 Similarly, Clement of Rome’s First Epistle to the Corinthians (c. 96 AD) shows the Roman church intervening in another community’s affairs to restore order, demonstrating an early recognition of Rome’s influential role without implying dominance for worldly gain. 24

>>40883920
While early writings corroborate a collegial structure with equal authority among all bishops; including the bishop of Rome (often referred to as the pope); this equality coexisted with a primacy of honor for Rome due to its apostolic foundations. Ignatius of Antioch (c. 107 AD) described the Roman church as “presiding in love” over others, not as a political overlord but as a unifying force rooted in Peter’s legacy. 41 In fact, papal succession was so integral to the early church that the Quartodeciman controversy (c. 190 AD) highlights both its emerging role and the checks on it: Pope Victor I sought to standardize Easter observance by threatening excommunication of Asian churches following the 14th Nisan tradition, but this spurred criticism from bishops such as Irenaeus, who urged Victor to prioritize unity and peace over harsh enforcement. 40 Irenaeus’s rebuke didn’t deny Rome’s primacy but tempered it, showing that early authority was about safeguarding tradition, not consolidating power; Victor ultimately backed down, and the issue was resolved collegially at the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD.

>>40883920
Critics claiming it’s a “made-up” construct for political gain often point to later developments, like the rise of Constantinople or medieval papal states, but this ignores the patristic evidence. Even Eastern Orthodox traditions acknowledge a historical primacy for Rome as “first among equals,” though they dispute later claims of universal jurisdiction, attributing those to post-Constantinian political influences rather than the core succession itself. 41 Protestant views, emphasizing sola scriptura, argue primacy lacks explicit biblical warrant and evolved over time, 42 but this overlooks how early fathers like Cyprian of Carthage (c. 251 AD) tied church unity to Peter’s “single chair,” founded not on empire but on Christ’s commission. 43 If succession were merely a power grab, why did early popes like Victor face pushback from peers, and why was it invoked primarily against heresies rather than for territorial control? The historical record shows it as an organic development from apostolic times, focused on fidelity to the faith, not retrofitted ambition.

The gnostics would best fit your wilderness church but followed heretical fictional works that did not align with the general eyewitness experience of Jesus’ works with the apostles ; corroborated by early figures like Eusebius, Clement of Alexandria, and Tertullian (not a priest or bishop but scholar) For example Tertulluan caught the man who confessed to making up the gospel of Peter apocrypha and was excommunicated for his role as bishop

>>40884168
>Against Heresies written after the fact to establish Papal legacy legitimacy
>Jesus referenced and acted out Enoch 1
>Enoch not made canon despite being a fundamental Hebrew text amongst Hebrew mystics
>No historical evidence that Paul was martyred under Nero, despite historical evidence for the deaths of various Disciples.
>John of Patmos preached from the wilderness warning about Rome, and by extension, the Vatican as geopolitical power.

>>40884198
>The gnostics would best fit your wilderness church but followed heretical fictional works

I don't need the Gnostic gospels, only Old Testament and New Testament.

Sophia / Demiurge is a false conclusion.

Lilith is the Tree of Life and the Bride in the wilderness.

Isaiah 34:14 - Isaiah 54

Revelations 12:4

Proverbs 3:18 She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.
Psalm 36:9 For with thee is the fountain of life: in thy light shall we see light.
Isaiah 34:14 The wild beasts of the desert shall also meet with the wild beasts of the island, and the satyr shall cry to his fellow; the screech owl (Lilith) also shall rest there, and find for herself a place of rest.
Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Song of Songs 3:6-9 Who is this coming up from the desert like a column of smoke,perfumed with myrrh and incense [...]
Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

the “bride makes herself ready” (Rev. 19:7)

she’s actively taking partners into her tent in the wilderness to restore the Edenic bond.

Making love to the Bride = Lust inverted as Sacred Intimacy = Eros as Covenantal Language

>>40884207
Against Heresies was written by a man who was student of Polycarp who was student of the Apostle John. We have writings of Peter reconciling with Paul despite their arguments.
2 Peter 3:15-16
Peter's words in these verses, written later in his life, demonstrate a reconciled relationship with Paul. He refers to Paul as "our beloved brother" and acknowledges the authority and wisdom of Paul's writings

>>Jesus referenced and acted out Enoch 1
Yeah thats fair but that doesnt mean we should take everything in Enoch as truth. Plato said the Just man would be crucified, he got one thing right, it doesn't automatically mean Platonism is truth.
> fundamental Hebrew text amongst Hebrew mystics
>mystics
You can stop pretending it was widely approved. The valentinians were mystic, the nicolatians were mystic and they were directly rebuked in Revelations.

But you know what was already widely approved? The catholic corpus in Rome/Judea where the apostle peter, paul, and many others would gather in as a hub; from whence the catholic church began, of which had bishops such as the following mentioning Paul's martyrdom, and approval of chain of custody through known canon close to the apostles students and apostles themselves. Out of 72 apostles we know nicolatians were descended from the disciple named Nicolaus who strayed from the actual gospel of christ and started his own sect through free love, ritual sex (imitated by egyptian practices), and followed gnostic teachings (imitated by egyptian teachings); this sexual immoality was directly rebuked in Revelations among other writings written by the following figures:

Cont;

>>40884207
So, church history has pretty much always claimed Paul was martyred, I don't think I've ever seen a scholar dispute Paul's martyrdom or point to any conflicting accounts. As far as evidence goes, not sure you're really going to find anything outside of church tradition. Here are some ante-Nicene patristics who referenced Paul's martyrdom (some are much clearer than others) and the rough dates of the quote:

1 Clement 5 (late first century/early second century)

Through envy and jealousy the greatest and most righteous pillars have been persecuted and put to death. Let us set before our eyes the illustrious apostles. … Paul also obtained the reward of patient endurance, after being seven times thrown into captivity, compelled to flee, and stoned. After preaching both in the east and west, he gained the illustrious reputation due to his faith, having taught righteousness to the whole world, and come to the extreme limit of the west, and suffered martyrdom under the prefects.

Ignatius - Letter to the Ephesians, Ch. 12 (early/mid second century)

You are initiated into the mysteries of the Gospel with Paul, the holy, the martyred

Polycarp - Letter to the Philippians, Ch 9 (early/mid second century), in talking about being inspired by the martyrs.

I exhort you all, therefore, to yield obedience to the word of righteousness, and to exercise all patience, such as you have seen before your eyes, not only in the case of the blessed Ignatius, and Zosimus, and Rufus, but also in others among yourselves, and in Paul himself, and the rest of the apostles.

Cont;

>>40884444
>Yeah thats fair but that doesnt mean we should take everything in Enoch as truth.

But the most important thing to take should be Bashan, the site of the fallen Watchers - Mt. Hermon. And this is exactly where Jesus nominates Peter as petra - "on this rock" - meaning, over the fallen Watchers, over the Mouth of Hades. This was a significant act of declaring cosmic warfare.

We then see repeated motifs all throughout Old Testament and New Testament - again, I don't use the Gnostic gospels - the motif of an exiled female, a Bride returning from the wilderness.

Eve initiates Adam into carnal knowledge, they're exiled.

Isaiah 34 "The Lilith finds rest" (known sexual spirit in Hebrew and Sumerian)

but in Isaiah 54 God redeems the wilderness and that within it, the curse of Edom is lifted

in Revelations 12:4 the Bride "flees into the wilderness and finds a place of rest" - this exactly mirrors Isaiah 34

If the Bride is Mary in the wilderness, escaping persecution, what is Lilith also doing there?

Are the Virgin and the Whore two sides of the same coin?

Does God redeem and marry both in one?

How can the Church contain the spirit of the Bride if the Bride is in the wilderness?

If New Jerusalem is a heavenly city, how does it emerge without first redeeming the earthly wilderness where the Bride dwells?

If God’s redemption is total, doesn’t that have to include the outcast Lilith alongside Mary?

>>40884207
Dionysius of Corinth's fragments to the Roman Church (~AD 170), as attested by Eusebius

Therefore you also have by such admonition joined in close union the churches that were planted by Peter and Paul, that of the Romans and that of the Corinthians: for both of them went to our Corinth, and taught us in the same way as they taught you when they went to Italy; and having taught you, they suffered martyrdom at the same time.

Tertullian - Scorpiace, Ch 15 (late second century/early third century)

[T]hat Paul is beheaded has been written in their own blood. And if a heretic wishes his confidence to rest upon a public record, the archives of the empire will speak, as would the stones of Jerusalem.

Yes John warned of Rome but that doesn't negate having a church in a building. There are still the Orthodox not affiliated with Rome and they too claim apostolic succession through bishops taught under the apostles. As well as some churches in India having succession from the Apostle Thomas himself; and so on, and so on.

The idea of preaching in a wilderness is your own belief projected upon an interpolation shoehorning erroneous interpretation of literature such as the woman crowned by 12 stars (Mary, queen of israel) birthing the child Jesus to be King.

The bride making herself ready are all the true believers faithfully following the word to their best ability to be written in the book of life.

The "invited guests" include other redeemed people, such as Old Testament saints (e.g., Abraham, Moses) or those saved during the tribulation, who are honored attendees but not part of the "bride" metaphor in the same way.

>a Bride returning from the wilderness.
It is a metaphor, the christian body here on earth, is on the wilderness, and we will return to Eden, the heavenly state; whose capitol will come down to earth, and have gates excluding those not in the book of life.

Cont;

>>40884511
>>40884207
>If the Bride is Mary in the wilderness, escaping persecution, what is Lilith also doing there?
I don't know but it has to include Mary because Lillith didnt birth the child of the rod. Lillith has no lineage with David unto Jesus.

>Are the Virgin and the Whore two sides of the same coin?
Perhaps.

>Does God redeem and marry both in one?
He marries all his believers. Where do you think the tradition of virgin nuns came from? Many of them wear a wedding ring for Jesus.

>How can the Church contain the spirit of the Bride if the Bride is in the wilderness?
Becuase the wilderness is metaphorical, Eden was a spiritual place, we know this because God gave us our fleshly garments (bodies). Earth is the wilderness.

>If New Jerusalem is a heavenly city, how does it emerge without first redeeming the earthly wilderness where the Bride dwells?

It emerges by preparing the way for Jesus; by evangelizing the gospel across all four corners of the earth so that all know about Jesus when he returns triumphantly.

>If God’s redemption is total, doesn’t that have to include the outcast Lilith alongside Mary?
Yes, I am not damning Lillith, I am on Origens side of universal salvation including Satan; but only after the tribulation and purificating fire we call hell.

The fires are spiritually purifying, as is portrayed in multiple motifs and metaphors, showing that Gods children are often put through a furnace, to be made into refined stone, a rock.

All will knee before Christ - Psalms

>>40884511
Old Testament Refining Imagery:

Zechariah 13:9 (NIV): “This third I will put into the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold. They will call on my name, and I will answer them; I will say, ‘They are my people,’ and they will say, ‘The Lord is our God.’” This depicts God’s people being purified through trials, emerging as refined.
Malachi 3:2-3 (NIV): “But who can endure the day of his coming? … For he will be like a refiner’s fire or a launderer’s soap. He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver; he will purify the Levites and refine them like gold and silver.” This portrays God’s judgment as a purifying process for His people.
Isaiah 48:10 (NIV): “See, I have refined you, though not as silver; I have tested you in the furnace of affliction.” Affliction is likened to a furnace that purifies.


New Testament Purification and Judgment:

1 Corinthians 3:12-15 (NIV): “If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.” This suggests a purifying fire for believers, testing their works, with salvation possible even through loss.
Hebrews 12:29 (NIV): “For our God is a consuming fire,” echoing Deuteronomy 4:24, emphasizing God’s holiness and judgment.

Cont;

>>40884562
>Yes, I am not damning Lillith

Okay - than I think we're actually more on the same page than I thought. I am in the wilderness midwifing the redemption of Lilith as an aspect of the Bride. This is a very delicate form of Tikkun because Lust has to be transmuted into Sacred Intimacy. But I affirm Jesus as Messiah and the Word incarnate in the flesh.

>>40884578
this goes further then just chirstianity aswell
heres some copy pasta
"Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword." (the sword from his mouth is his tongue as the word this is referenced in the 2 men who breathe fire)
THE HOLY FIRE OF CHRIST
"He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire." Matthew 3:11
The Holy Fire is not gentle. It is not safe.
It burns away the false self, the dead skin of ego, illusion, division.
To pass through it and live is to become One with God.
But most are turned to ash.
In every tradition, the Divine Fire is a purifier and a test.

>>40884578
>>40884511
Continued;
We also see catholic doctrine referring to Jesus as the worm that resurrected; Jesus quotes psalm 22, as david referring to himself as a worm. In hell imagery in scripture, we find the damned have a worm crawling out of their eyes as they wail and gnash teeth. This is metaphorical for the damned atoning for their sins in the inevitable presence of Jesus in resurrection; promptly placing them into a tribulation; perhaps in heaven.

>>40884584
How are you midwifing Lilith besides posting these threads, in sacred intimate passion to defend the interpretation of this aspect of Tikkun as foretold in scripture by your very own revelation? We have to be careful to distinguish the middle road as a lukewarm state God himself has said he will spit out of his presence, ergo, he will damn you.

>>40884578
>>40884593
In Christian mysticism, it is the consuming fire of Hebrews 12:29 not of wrath, but of refinement. Like gold tested in flame, the soul is tried.
In Egyptian mythology, the sun god Ra travels through the underworld each night battling serpents of chaos. He is reborn each dawn, crowned in fire. The righteous pass through flame in the Duat (underworld); the wicked are devoured by fire-serpents. Fire is both judgment and divinity.
In Kabbalah, the Shekinah dwells in fire upon the altar. The burning bush speaks with the voice of God. The Seraphim whose name means “burning ones” attend the Throne, singing in eternal flame. The fire does not consume them, for they are the flame.
In Hinduism, Agni, god of fire, is the mouth of the gods. Every offering made to the divine must pass through him. Fire is the bridge between mortal and eternal.
In Greek myth, Prometheus gave fire to mankind a divine essence, sparking consciousness, invention, and rebellion. He was punished, not because of fire alone, but because fire gave power to become like gods.
In Zoroastrianism, fire is kept in sacred temples, never extinguished. It is the presence of Asha, divine Truth. To face the fire is to face one’s own soul.
The Holy Fire of Christ is not different from these.
It is the same Logos, the same primal Flame:
The same that shone from Sinai
That crowned the heads at Pentecost
That scorched Isaiah’s lips
That burned the falsehood from Mary Magdalene’s eyes
That consumed the veil between flesh and spirit
To endure it is to let everything false within you die.
What remains?
Only what is true.
Only what is eternal.
Only God within you.
You are not merely “saved” by this fire
You are re-forged in it.
To be one with God is not to rise above the flame…
It is to become the flame.
If it does not destroy you,
It reveals who you always were.

>>40884598
>We have to be careful to distinguish the middle road as a lukewarm state God himself has said he will spit out of his presence, ergo, he will damn you.
nta but i was thinking about this not to long ago and i believe its about spiritual apathy not a union but a dissolution of the opposites
from my study Lilith is the mind the sacred knowledge
and her redemption is getting the divine story straight
aka its a personal revelation not a story about how you need to obey sky daddy
Isiah speaks of the idolatry the church has fallen to and is still in a fallen state of

>>40884598
>How are you midwifing Lilith besides posting these threads

Someone else responded to this also but my interpretation, given the sort of experiential things I've been through, it seems that Lilith as an aspect of the overall Bride, perhaps being one of the veils (Lilith Hebrew gematria = 480, the same measurements and time to complete Solomon's pillars).

Thus we can interpret Lilith as an exiled aspect of wisdom, the unpurified parts of knowledge given to Eve through the apple (who then initiated Adam into carnal knowledge).

Thus redeeming Lilith via Tikkun is not about worshipping her but recognizing that she is archetypical of a feminine Void from which God manifests potentia, this is cosmic Womb (Tehom, Abyss) motif.

The New Heaven and Earth are like a reconciliation of Logos and Womb, extended to us to participate in co-creation with God.

>>40884643
nta but ill add this which is an extension of another post i believe you made which taps into the dual aspevt of the feminine nature of mary/eve/lilith the mother wife
Lilith; Lilit, Lilitu, or Lilis
En; Lord; Diviner; Statue; Time; Mysterious; obscure background
LIL; Wind; Demon; Ghost; Phantom; Spirit [or Giant; Fallen; Nephilim = En-lil, the Lord of Demons]
Lil = wind = demon; ghost; phantom; spirit = giants afterlife
ith; IT; [d = t] id; ab; window; niche; nook; opening
gul: [gal] v., to destroy, demolish [smash]
adj., evil; enormous.
gul; gal; overwhelm
gal; storage container; basket
Hebrew Eth, in Genesis 1:1 indicates that both "the heavens" and "the earth" are the direct objects of the verb "create".
The Hebrew word "ith" is a preposition meaning with or by
Lil; wind; Demon/s
Lil-ITU
ITU; IT; ITI; [ID; = ith = itu] itud; moon; month; moonlight; Night Demon or Spirit [the Moon god / Daemon Master]
dim: n., bond, tie; rope (dam, 'spouse', modified by i, 'to sprout', long and narrow as in si) v., to make fast.
dim[GIM]: to make, fashion, create, build
(du, to build, make + im, clay, mud) [Su; (zu;) red; clay]
nisdim: post (cf., dim).
dim: n, sickness demon; pole of a water lift. adj., weak
dim4: n., begging; tendril; clinging vine (cf., dim)
v., to approach; to bow; to beg. adj., subservient; [subservience.]

Tagalog (Filipino): ki-sikil-lil-la-ke (lil - la - ke), la-la-ki <> ki-la-la
lil <> la-ki, Lilaki (Iran:36°50′00″N 50°13′00″), lil > sikil < liki > li-li-ki
lilim (sa) madalim, (sa) ilalim (lilim, sa lilim, silim, lilom)
lilitu lalatu lilaki lalaki lilalaki, lalaki lilitu-hod (tuhod, tumuhod) (Hod הוֹד)
lumaki ang lalaki, lumaki ang lilaki, lumaki ang naga, lilalaki sa kaliwang tu-Hod

>>40884643
>>40884681
la = feminine / container / divine
li = individual / conscious / light
lu = to rise / masculine / spirit
ki = earth / place / vessel
lil = shadow / spirit / threshold
So in the mystical-linguistic lens:
“The container, the feminine, the presence, the known, the grace, the path.”
And its inversion: "The void, the negation, the unknowable, the absence."

>>40884687
aka
these two things
“The container, the feminine, the presence, the known, the grace, the path.”
"The void, the negation, the unknowable, the absence."

>>40884695
are the same thing
and the story between them is I/U
O,I.U

>>40884681
>>40884687
>>40884695

Yes this is a good addition to the table (kil-sikil <> Lilith) I had made.

I have a gematria table as well only using Hebrew words that shows link between Lilith, Shekinah, and the apple tree.

Overall what we're looking at is cosmic sex as a motif and perhaps eschatological theory.

The end of Revelations might be a big spiritual orgy.

>>40884711

>>40884719
indeed it is but lets focus more on the love not the sex less perverts think were the perverted ones ;p
i use to post about this stuff all the time and it really triggered some one with sexual truama thinking god is just about perversions
and its like nah baby thats the fall the rise is about love

>>40884719
you should give this a watch if youre interested
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1SFShZQq9I

>>40884759
wrong part but its all good

>>40884759
https://youtu.be/X8YZ3FD4a3A

>>40884814
heh i was on my way to link you this
we have such polar taste

>>40884822
damn forgot link i keep smokin this refer retarded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJcGi4-n_Yw

>>40884827
I have Lilith conjunct Sun/Moon/Asc. in natal chart
September will be my lunar return
I'm going to nofap Sept, time it to her menstrual cycle, and unleash a kundalini bomb on the beast

>>40884730
>>40884719
It seems you two are building on different material; where are you getting the idea of this spiritual orgy from, and how are you so sure you can ascertain truth to this fable ; if not by mere deceiving hope to reconcile the lies of other religions such as Islam and its virgins. How do men have sex with Jesus? Do you hear yourselves?

>>40884830
Experiential revelations and visions in languages I did not speak but came to be meaningful when interpreted.

The kind of anomalous synchronicities that only occur when something else is at hand.

>>40884830
>How do men have sex with Jesus? Do you hear yourselves?

God is experiencing sex with the Bride through us.

>>40882454
Purity spiraling of lying hypocrites in the churches (men who call themselves God) leads to ruination.

>>40884866
>
b-b-b-b-b-bASED

>>40884866
To add: the divine masculine and divine feminine are both necessary aspects to life and generation, proven viscerally through sex and childbirth.

>>40884873
I was thinking earlier how this humbles us to understand the gestative womb process and experience it through revelations.

We're spiritually pregnant with this knowledge and don't choose when to "give birth", it rips its way out.

>>40882854
Why would I listen to what some guy who learned from a jewish zealot named Saul wrote down though?

>>40884837
>revelations
Such as? I’m willing to read books.
>visions
Elaborate, I’m open minded and have run into supernatural.

>>40884845
Doesn’t sound like an orgy to me. The parable of Jesus on the lost sheep shows God isn’t experiencing any elation from the planet here so long as the lost sheep remain.

>>40884887
Because Peter called him brother and ended up respecting him

>>40884912
>Because Peter called him brother and ended up respecting him
So because a man (all men are flawed) had an opinion, we should reject Jesus' teachings in favor of Paul's claim of spiritual authority over a perilous "vision" on the road to Damascus that we have to take his word on because no evidence or witnesses exist?
Yeah, trusting a random jewish liar surely would not have consequences.

>>40884828
man your posts synched up with my fairly odd parents both infinite and one making a dual one with multiplicity infinited
lilith kaos
and kosmos
kosmos is a bull made of light he spirals and flexs
kaos is a lady made of snakes she fucks orgy
together they make a white snake
whats interesting is the kosmos infinity repeats him
kaos infinite is well kaos of dance fuck and spooky
i need to see them both once more now that ive matured in the 3

>>40882439 (OP)
sage this satanic heresy

>>40884912
>revelations
>visions

Literal wide-awake, no drugs involved visual overlays of material reality.

'Hallucinations' to the materialist, yet deeply symbolic with meanings I had to research and interpret and never encountered in prior texts.

A voice guiding me through a psychospiritual process with external events matching visual prophetic 'hallucinations'.

A womb, an orb, a name, a vow, and the Pillars crumbling on the exact day prophecied.

Utter co-habitation, nearly symbiotic integration of the zygote, no possession - just clean, smooth interface, without collapse into psychosis. Being able to contain and hold the liminal bridge between ontological Self and Other.

>>40884924
Jesus came to establish priority in the moral law not the ritualistic law you’re so hung up about. You’re getting conflated in the same ego the Pharisees got caught up in, while showing reverence to men than God. It’s like pretending there was never a pope or bishop to err, like Innocent III or Victor II for the crusades that killed Christian’s; or the excommunication of those in the eastern churches following Jewish tradition in emulation of a certain apostle.

>>40884949
Yeah man, I need a literal connection to ancient books or any modern writings; if even an exegesis on your own blog- I’ll take it.

>>40884957
>Showing reverence to men than God
Never once did I do that, quite the opposite. You must be retarded if you took that from my words, honestly. More likely you are arguing in bad faith and projecting your own views onto me because I find that's usually what happens with people who believe in the institution of the churches/priesthood over the actual lessons Jesus imparted.

>>40884969
The funny thing is that you haven't showed a single example why Paul goes against the words of Christ. It is better yet to me you think we should follow Jewish rituals when that's not at all anything Jesus ever wanted for the gentiles. For example, the healing of the Roman's child, or the Samaritan; none of these instances Jesus told them to become a jew, he told them to stop sinning.

>>40884959
Sumerian huluppu tree <> Kil-sikil-lil-la-ke <> Lilith in wilderness (Isaiah 34:14) <> Redemption (Isaiah 54) <> Bride in wilderness (Revelations 12:4-6)

Tree of Knowledge <> Chthonic feminine motif throughout ancient history <> (Inanna / Dumuzi, Isis/Horus/Serapis, et al.)

Tehom (Abyss, Gen. 1) <> Amniotic fluid (Black waters surrounding earth) <> God creates 'raqia' (firmanent, sky-boundary) <> Ruach Elohim hovered over the Abyss (insemination of cosmic womb motif) <> Abyss = Exiled Bride <> Revelations 'New Heaven and Earth' = Cosmic Big Bang 2.0

358 משיח Moshiach
358 נָחָשׁ Serpent

480 לִילִית Lilith
480 פת piece or morsel (bread, open mouth)
480 תפ Tav+Peh (sealed mouth, Yoni-mouth)

485 הַלִּילִית Ha-Lilith (articulated Shekinah; the Mouth restored)
486 אלהים־ת Elohim-Tav (Seal of Elohim)

490 ת + מֶלֶךְ The King finalized / perfected
490 ת + מָן The bread sealed
494 תפוח Apple, apple tree

Jesus <> Nominated 'petra' (Peter) "on this rock I will build my church" <> They were standing on Mt. Hermon aka Bashan "Place of Serpents" <> Enoch 1 site of Fallen watchers (Mt. Hermon) <> Jesus descends into Sheol to retrieve the exiled Goat (Judas, Leviticus Yom Kippur goat for Azazel) ((Judas 30 pieces of Silver, given to Potter's field, is hung+belly bursts across field <> Mishnah Yoma 6:6, the 2nd Leviticus goat is hung+dashed over rocks))

Revelations = Exiled Bride redeemed
Lilith = Aspect of Exiled Bride (Shadow of Mary, Shadow of Shekinah)

Invert the 7 Deadly Sins

Pride = Humility
Wrath = Righteous Fury
Lust = Sacred Intimacy***

***Is Lilith's realm, Gamaliel / Malkuth bridge

The Bride is redeemed and placed into Tifareth (the Heart of the Tree) because She is the Tree of Knowledge and all will take from her fruit

>>40884980
Thank you for proving to me that you worship the institution over God. I feel no need to convince you because you are not arguing in good faith.
>It is better yet to me you think we should follow Jewish rituals when that's not at all anything Jesus ever wanted for the gentiles
Again, you are making stuff up to fit your stupid and contradictory Pauline worldview. I never claimed anything like that.
Go ahead and tell me what else I think, please.

>>40884987
I just hear a lot of crying instead of actually making an argument. You really think you can show up and say, no, 99% of the church has been wrong, I'm right, anyone who says I'm wrong while asking for evidence, is asking in bad faith, no evidence for anyone, I am the word, everyone believe me!

The only one here retarded are your own words. You got your head up your ass.

>>40884980
>God is within you
>Priests are liars and hypocrites, you do not need them to know God
>Under ever branch, every stone, God is there
>Pharisees are liars and hypocrites
You:
>Trust a pharisee
>You need the church to know God
>You need the priesthood to allow you into Heaven
>Don't you dare disagree or you burn in hell forever goy

>>40884992
>I hear a lot of crying
Check your room I think it's coming from there.

>>40884994
hahaha based
the whole Vatican positions falls flat on its face
not to mention excommunication = cut off from eucharist / denied salvation

"You who deny entry to the kingdom of heaven"

>>40884994
You need to study the ancient church before thinking you can just go and read scripture, without the guidance of anyone there to guide you into the context surrounding the church's ecclestistical structure. Jesus was referring to the pharisees, who are a distinct sect of Jews, who he called vipers and liars, because they constructed their own ceremonial laws that have nothing to do with God, the pharisees are very well documented to have done so.

Your interpretation of gospel implies everyone is saved from the purifying fires of hell. Through early church history we trace apostolic succession to students such as Polycarp a student of Apostle John, who mentors Irenaeus, one of the most famous early church historians corroborating the sequential chain of popes after Peter, and the universal canon gospel by which eye witnesses to attend to; rebuking off-shoots such as valentiniasm or nicolatianism. >>40884996
Ooh good one. You have a lot of growing up to do, my man.

>>40884992
>Trust the Levites
>Trust Paul
>No ackshually Jesus was just like... saying things maaaan
Yeah let's trust the church with a history of lying, murder, slander, hiding information and calling themselves God
>B-but a lot of people believe...
Yeah and a lot of people are wrong. If this were not the case the world would not look the way it does.

>>40885006
>You need to study the ancient church before thinking you can just go and read scripture, without the guidance of anyone there to guide you into the context
Trust the experts, goy. You do not have the ability to discern source material you need our propagandists. Trust the media.

>>40885012
"muh magisterial authority"
"who gave it to them?"
"muh magisterial authority"

>>40885016

>>40885012
>No, the catholic church is actually jewish, they killed jews just to bolsten their authenticity to carry over a false gospel
lol ok man. I never said that the acts of murder done by the church or its lies are good, but youre just spamming a genetic fallacy and thinking you're putting together a coherent sentence.

>>40885024
You are literally just spamming
>muh priesthood
thinking you have made an argument
Go read Genesis 34 to see the root of your "blessed" priesthood.
>lying, murderous maniacs

>>40885027
The catholic priesthood are not affiliated with the jewish priesthood Jesus rebuked, the catholic priesthood are filled with gentiles, overpopulating very rapidly in early church history, the minority jewish christian.

>>40885006
>Ooh good one. You have a lot of growing up to do, my man.
lmao yeah you are definitely seething

>>40885033
They still follow the base teachings of the Levites and the Pharisees, so yes they are.
>Oh b-b-but it morphed over time
Yeah thought-schools tend to do that in human history constantly to keep up with changing eras.

>>40885036
No they are not, that would be the Orthodox Church who follow jewish customs such as continuing in the tradition of those excommunicated in the quartodecimas controversy; which btw not all bishops were for, the pope who excommunicated them was heavily criticized for doing so.

And to clarify, excommunication does not mean damnation.

>>40885006
>because they constructed their own ceremonial laws
bruh gods first commandment was be fruitfull and multiply
catholic priests are only allowed to fuck children
1. Doctrines & Beliefs Formalized Later
Papal Infallibility Declared at Vatican I (1870), teaches that the Pope is preserved from error when speaking ex cathedra on faith/morals. No verse in Scripture describes this power explicitly.

Immaculate Conception of Mary Defined in 1854, teaches Mary was conceived without original sin. Not found in Scripture directly.

Assumption of Mary Defined in 1950, that Mary was taken body and soul into heaven. Not biblically recorded.

2. Devotional Practices
Praying the Rosary Rooted in medieval piety; not a biblical command, though it uses biblical prayers like the Our Father and Hail Mary.

Stations of the Cross A devotional reenactment of Jesus’ passion, originating in medieval pilgrimages to Jerusalem.

Scapulars and Medals Wearing small cloth or metal symbols as signs of devotion and protection, often linked to visions or apparitions.

3. Sacramental & Liturgical Developments
Seven Sacraments (as a fixed set) Baptism and Eucharist have biblical roots, but Confirmation, Penance, Anointing of the Sick, Marriage, and Holy Orders were formally defined later.

Holy Water Fonts at Entrances A blessing practice, not a scriptural command.

Eucharistic Adoration & Benediction Worshipping Christ’s presence in the consecrated host outside of Mass.

Latin Mass The exclusive use of Latin came centuries after the New Testament, though now it’s optional.

>>40885006
>>40885058
4. Saints & Relics
Canonization Process Official papal declaration of sainthood is a Church invention; in the early Church, saints were simply recognized by local consensus.

Veneration of Relics Touching, displaying, or keeping physical remains/items of saints for blessing purposes.

Naming Patron Saints for Professions or Nations Not in the Bible, developed in medieval Catholic culture.

5. Marian & Angelic Devotions
Marian Apparitions Lourdes, Fatima, Guadalupe, etc. Not biblical, but have shaped Catholic spirituality.

Angel Prayers Like the “Prayer to St. Michael” written in the 19th century.

just to name a few

>>40885058
Strawman. I am not arguing that the roman catholic church is a virgin free of corruption or doctrines of the devil; I am arguing, still, yet, that none of you have proven Paul to go against anything Jesus said. Anything more has been a relative extension to the point you're now arguing against something I never refuted.

>>40885068
oh i have no idea about that im just chiming in on your blatant hypocrisy
shame you can see yourself in the mirror

>>40885066
It's almost like they adopted all the Pharisaic structure, replacing pillars for stained-glass windows.

James 1:5 "If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him."

So let me get this straight.

If I pray and pray constantly, every night, for nothing but Wisdom from God, and this leads to revelatory insights into bible scriptures...

it has to be cleared by a man on earth first?

Do I have to schedule divine visions with the ecclesiarch bureaucracy ahead of time?

>>40885053
k, I'll remember that next time some Catholic spews Leviticus at me again.

>>40885068
>>40884994
he did, you just ignored it and doubled down here: >>40885006
by claiming he needed to trust the experts

>>40885076
dont forget to bring your tributes
remember when they said you could kill your way into heaven
remember when they said you could buy your way into heaven

not sure if that dudes catholic though

>>40885075
I would honestly to love to have a fruitful discussion with you but it seems impossible, after multiple back and forths and a half hour after I asked for any specific teachings Jesus taught, that Paul contradicted, you still can't provide any. Paul didnt teach for clerical celibacy or iconophilism. You are severely confused and dragging others down with you who don't know any better.

>>40885084
We can look at scripture itself. 2 Peters 3:16
16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Here Peter is talking about your type, those who reject Paul's letters out of spiritual blindness.

wait nvm he is

>>40885089
075 anon here im not the anon you where talking to im another anon he saw your hypocracy and called it out
not sure what this paul bussiness is about but you seem very annoying and are a blind hyprocrit

>>40885089
>those who reject Paul's letters out of spiritual blindness.
So because people don't trust a jewish zealot who claims spiritual authority without any proof, evidence or witnesses they are spiritually blind because another guy said so? But the guy who has moved goalposts constantly and falls back on
>just believe this guy!
every time your hypocrisy is pointed out is clearly spiritual attuned.
Come on man you can't even keep your stories straight anymore and you trust the doctrine of men over God almighty.

>>40885077
Good for you. I'm not arguing in defense of the current Catholic use of Old Testament laws (like Levitical purity codes or rituals) when I'm actually defending the church’s apostolic foundation and Paul’s alignment with Jesus’ moral focus; the whole reason this exchange in the thread started.

>>40885095
Im not catholic. But I acknowledge its apostolic succession from the apostles, to early church fathers such as Polycarp, and then Ireneaus, Eusebius, and Clemente; and so on. The anons im arguing with are saying the teachings of Paul are heretical going against Jesus' teachings; then they delve into a roman vatican strawman by addressing its shortcomings; while sidestepping verses like 2 Peters 3:16
16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

We can talk all day about catholic sins, but that would be pretending like christians are any better than jews throughout the old testament; who are met with eternal mercy regardless.

>>40885098
You are spiritually blind to Jesus' teachings.
Jesus prioritized moral law (love, justice) over rituals: ‘Woe to you Pharisees, you neglect justice and love of God’ (Luke 11:42). Paul’s on the same page: ‘The entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: Love your neighbor’ (Galatians 5:14). Jesus healed Gentiles without demanding Jewish rituals (e.g., centurion’s servant, Matthew 8:5-13); Paul spreads that gospel to Gentiles, no circumcision needed (Acts 15:1-29). Peter calls Paul’s letters scripture (2 Peter 3:16). Where’s the conflict?

Are you even Christian? Now you're denying Peter himself unless you can prove 2 Peter wasn't written by Peter himself.

Jesus prioritized moral law (love, justice) over rituals: ‘Woe to you Pharisees, you neglect justice and love of God’ (Luke 11:42). Paul’s on the same page: ‘The entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: Love your neighbor’ (Galatians 5:14). Jesus healed Gentiles without demanding Jewish rituals (e.g., centurion’s servant, Matthew 8:5-13); Paul spreads that gospel to Gentiles, no circumcision needed (Acts 15:1-29). Peter calls Paul’s letters scripture (2 Peter 3:16). Where’s the conflict?

>>40885108
You simply fail to see the through-line from Levitical to Pharisaic to Pauline thought.
>We are the gate to God and you need us to know Him.
Which has always been in direct opposition to the truth.

>>40885117
If you can follow the teachings of Jesus without Paul that's incredible and I am honestly happy for you. But I challenge you to prove to me that Paul goes against anything Jesus said, for example, in the verses cited here >>40885115

>>40885108
>The anons im arguing with are saying the teachings of Paul are heretical going against Jesus' teachings;
mind giving me an example im confused

>>40885117
yah going through christ doesnt mean going through the church or even christianity its about going through infinity/unity alpha omega

>>40885125
They said ">God is within you
>Priests are liars and hypocrites, you do not need them to know God
>Under ever branch, every stone, God is there
>Pharisees are liars and hypocrites
You:
>Trust a pharisee
>You need the church to know God
>You need the priesthood to allow you into Heaven
>Don't you dare disagree or you burn in hell forever goy" (see >>40884994)

My response here: >>40885006

>>40885124
You are arguing semantics vs what has actually occurred in the world. Pauline thought has led to an institution that mimics the exact problem Jesus walked around speaking of.
I don't care what people say, I care what fruit comes of the tree.
Christianity's fruit has been rotten since Pauline doctrine took hold, which is very early in its inception.

>>40882976
Most people are sheep who would take mark of the beast without question or any thoughts
They are not human and they don't have spark of humanity

>>40885133
>>40885125
fucked up formatting, just go to >>40884994
to which you can see its replies are mine. They're just jumping the gun into the future of the church's sins; while ignoring the present reality of showing me where Paul promised nobody was going to sin; because if anons are going to suddenly argue that the catholic chruch's sins is proof that Paul is a heretic; then I can't find no greater use for the great Platonic term "genetic fallacy" than here, to argue that someones teachings are false, because some of its students in great authority, commited atrocities that currently stain the church.

It's like expecting that when Jesus comes back he will have a wife free of sin, going against Jesus teaching only the father is good.

The thing about it all is I don't even go to catholic church because of my own wrestling against the ideas of clerical celibacy and idolatry; as with more examples too long to list; I however can't reconcile a rejection of Pauline teachings in context to gentiles simply because of the roman church. I can't expect my gentile penis to go out and be circumcised because, as it turns out, Paul is a heretic.

>>40885138
That's interesting man but as I wrote above:
>I can't expect my gentile penis to go out and be circumcised because, as it turns out, Paul is a heretic.
You can't expect the bride to be free of sin in preparation for Christ. That's like saying you compare yourself to God when not even Jesus let himself be called good teacher; showing reverence only to the Father, calling Him only good.

>>40885139
The mark of the beast has been apparent early in history throughout the catholic roman beast system, from Nero, to the deadly papal wound of the capture of the pope by Napolean, after which the wound was healed and Vatican I was established.

>>40885133
oh yah
>You need to study the ancient church before thinking you can just go and read scripture
isnt in the bible
>without the guidance of anyone there to guide you into the context surrounding the church's ecclestistical structure
the bible doesnt say you need to know that so why would you need a guide for that
>because they constructed their own ceremonial laws that have nothing to do with God
like you just did
> the pharisees are very well documented to have done so.
like the structure youre saying you need to know and need a guide to know it
>Your interpretation of gospel implies everyone is saved from the purifying fires of hell.
im not apart of that so i wont comment on it or the rest

but yah youre kinda ridiculous my dude what does any of this even have to do with paul

>>40883237
The planetary gods are not your friends

>>40885139
Continued;

Cont; The mark of the beast, as described in Revelation 13:16–18, is a symbol of allegiance to the papal system, identified by historicists as the ‘beast’ due to its historical dominance after Rome’s fall (476 AD). In this view, the mark includes unbiblical practices like mandatory clerical celibacy and Sunday worship, enforced by the Catholic Church to signify loyalty to its authority. Historically, it controlled buying and selling by restricting economic and social participation to those who conformed to these practices. For example, during the Middle Ages and Reformation (12th–17th centuries), Catholic decrees, backed by secular rulers, excluded non-compliant groups; like Jews, Protestants, or Sabbath-keepers; from trade guilds, markets, or public office, effectively limiting their ability to ‘buy or sell.’ The Council of Trent (1545–1563) reinforced these controls by anathematizing dissenters, impacting their livelihoods.

The atrocity of it all is that because of the church's prostitution to military and political powers, and merchants; we have anons ITT confused about the moral law clarified by Paul.

>isnt in the bible
It's also not in the bible that you're supposed to pedal the bike, before getting on the bike. It's not in the bible for you to first learn how to read the alphabet, to understand scripture, you first do other things, before being able to understand the full scope of events. For example, most children need
>experience (e.g., suffering, testing like gold refined by fire;1 Peter 1:7) to understand and concede to Jesus wholeheartedly with wisdom.
>revelation (the Holy Spirit helps discern truth;John 16:13).
There are things that aren't simply beholden to you in the first reading and that's because you just need to look harder in good faith.

Cont;

>>40882439 (OP)
>living in the woods with a bunch of self righteous and prideful god-botherers
If funny how neck deep in pride most of you are, you can’t even see how obnoxious you all are towards others
can’t imagine worse torture than being stuck in the woods with you “Jesus is my boyfriend” types

>>40885161
>the bible doesnt say you need to know that so why would you need a guide for that
Because there may be teachings of Jesus you may not understand which would lead you to people like me showing scripture is not in line with your opinions. If you honestly care about scriptural basis, you wouldn't be cherrypicking bits about Jesus not abolishing the law or what not; which you're misinterpreting to be proof that gentiles must follow jewish law and customs; which is not the case at all in anything Jesus taught.

>like you just did
Uhuh.

>like the structure youre saying you need to know and need a guide to know it
Yeah, a history book as a guide is good enough.

>what does any of this even have to do with paul
It doesn't. It's strawmans all this thread from anti-Paul posters.

>>40885173
yes it is the spirit not the church you need youre making my point you weird money lester ceremonial black magic zealot

>>40885188
Can you rewrite in a complete sentence? I don't understand you at all, honestly. Use Google Translate or DeepL.

>>40885183
honestly anon youre just a troll doing the devils work at this point
i hope you atleast know your just flooding the thread with histrionic nonsense that only goes in circles

hope you enjoy the burn in hell that will clean you up
<3

>>40885201
I don't believe the current catholic church is in line with Jesus' teachings, because that's not what I'm arguing. Your pitchfork burn-her-at-the-stake hastiness is amusing though, and ironically hypocritical given the circumstances; you'd certainly crucify Jesus yourself were you a Pharisee then.

>>40882439 (OP)
Traditional Christianity involves catacombs and graveyards, you might want to reconsider the forests. That's some Pagan shit that is.

Which is fine, if you're a Druid or something, but you're trying for the Jesus thing.

>>40885173
Not exactly, the mark of beast is a symbol of allegiance to the system in general, not just papal one.
And the sabbath is day of saturn, also known as moloch and satan, so catholics are right there.

>>40885259
>Not exactly, the mark of beast is a symbol of allegiance to the system in general, not just papal one.
I agree, thanks for the clarification on my post.

>>40885259
Where does Scripture link Yahweh’s Sabbath to Moloch?" (It doesn’t.)

"If the Sabbath is evil, why did Jesus keep it (Luke 4:16) and say it was made for man?"

"Is Sunday worship ‘sun god worship’ then?"

Jesus came to show us the way to attaining a sacred eros with the Bride in preparation of Revelations and the End of Days.

The womb is re-opening and the exiled children from the wilderness will be redeemed.

Jesus and the Bride say come.

The Vatican becomes part of the beast / dragon when it hunts down mystical "heresies" that even Jesus alluded to.

Making love to the feminine presence of God's Bride is sacred intimacy.

Hebrew Psalms = Tehillim (Songs, Praises)

Ruach Tehillim = Breath of Praises

Teh + Illim
Tehom + Lilim

The silent praises from the Void, the moment of conception.

Toroidal event horizon passing back and forth as breath through a liminal gate.

>>40882439 (OP)
This is called "Christian Primitivism," or "Christian Restorationism," and includes the Two-by-Twos, house churches, etc. You could extend this out to Essene larpers or other, similar, groups. Using a ChatGPT generated image and a flurry of esoteric sounding phrases does not mean you have discovered anything new.

>>40882439 (OP)
you are right, god does not need church because every believer is the church

>>40885357
Jebus Heist

the pictures of jesus being all muscular and wearing plaid shirts and denim to me is blasphemous as dramatic as that sounds, who even makes this stupid shit?

Mouf now

>>40887014
<3
>>40887025
jesus was a dessert wonderer carpenter/fisherman that worked with his hands and only ate shit that grew out of the ground and was prepared by human hands
not to mention there wasnt a 7/11 where he could pick up his weekly 30 pack and goy slop like most laborers these days
so dude was ripped
and i still find it funny that nat geo tried to make him look like a chubby mut so that the lay man can go hey jesus was a brown pudgy loser just like me

>>40887278
I'm sure he was in good shape but the photoshopped stuff seems like some faggy boomer fantasy self insert (literally me) type of thing

>>40887025
OP here
I literally just asked Sora for "jesus innawoods" don't ask me

>>40882439 (OP)
This entire thread is retarded.
1: OP using an AI picture because nobody has actually ever done this and nobody will do this
2: Useless semantic christian arguments over who has the right specific beliefs on this meaningless topic
Either worship Jesus or do not, figure the rest out on your own.

>>40889377
>nobody has actually ever done this and nobody will do this

People do it all the time just usually ends up in weird apocalyptic wilderness cults.

See: Far Cry 5

>>40889386
>People do it all the time!!!1!
>Heres a fictional IP for exampel!!!11!
Uh huh, okay, yeah
And how exactly is your starting this thread furthering your goal of worshiping jesus in the woods with a congregation of like-minded people?

>>40889397
I'm not telling people to set up a congregation innawoods
I'm telling them to go innawoods by themselves

>>40889377
>Either worship Jesus or do not, figure the rest out on your own.
>I'm telling them to go innawoods by themselves

In fact we're almost literally saying the same thing but it's stupid/silly to you.

>>40889427
Its stupid / silly to me because I am an ex-Christian and I can see the same ideologies I held within you.
I am trying to trivialize the issue because it ultimately ends up not being that important, as you will find out in about 4 years.

>>40889452
Where are you now? Did you go Nietzsche-pilled? Curious about your journey.

>>40882439 (OP)
Nothing about environmental destruction, climate change, the fossil fuel industry, or factory farming.
You will never be a real environmentalist.
It's too late to try to co-opt environmentalism for Christianity.

>>40889478
Just no longer Christian. No particular affiliation but I would probably lean gnostic, started to believe that the father in the trinity is just outright evil a lot of the time.