Thread 40929299

I have trouble with ceremonial magic, visualization, magic wands, formulas to say... I feel like I'm LARPing a play, and my imagination is calcified.

What are the best non-ceremonial magic books? Those that combine metaphysical theory and practical application. I'd started reading Seven Spheres by Rufus Opus and it looked nice, but the rituals described in it are heavy and totally ceremonial... It's a pity that Western occultism has crystallized so much on ritual magic. In the East, it's much more direct: meditations, energetic work, etc.

Anyway, I'll take all your recommendations! Thanks anons. :)

>>40929299 (OP)
Look for Robotic Affirmations on youtube, all it takes is thinking.

Postmodern Magic: The Art of Magic in the Information Age, by Patrick Dunn

>>40929299 (OP)
Thaumaturgy.

>>40929596
Seems nice, thanks anon

>>40929299 (OP)
Promethues Unbound.

Bump

>>40929299 (OP)
https://archive.org/details/liber-falxifer-iii-the-book-of-the-52-stations-of-the-crosses-of-nod/page/27/mode/2up

Step by step system that leads to direct physical experiences with supernatural stuff when worked with.
Step by step stuff. Spiritual Alchemy.
You work with it by figuring out the Cross Station sigils (they're processed with the third eye).

>>40929299 (OP)
hHands-on Chaos Magic: Reality Manipulation Through the Ovayki Current

>>40930939
I flipped through it, it's crap. If I want something like that, I'll read the much better Dragon Rouge books.

>>40931040
Spend some time working with the cross station sigils practically rather than just flip through text; it's worth your time.

>>40931105
Brother, the book isn't even clear, I don't have time to decipher their gibberish around Cain. I want something practical.

>>40931128
Naos: A Practical Guide to Modern Magick

>>40931128
Literally practical system; use the third eye physically to process the sigils.
Leads to full-time lifestyle btw. "Path of Exile" etc.
Join the fun.

>>40931142
I ask for non-ceremonial magick, you give me a book of pseud-Salomonic ritual magick around Cain. I repeat, look at the writings of the Dragon Rouge, the metaphysics is more solid and clearer, not hidden under jargon.

>>40931149
This isn't ceremonial; it's "spiritual metaphysics 101".
Save the link and go back to it later down the line.

>>40931140
>I open the book
>Picrel

Does nobody read the thread?

>>40931155
I don't have the motivation to try to decipher this jargon, but thanks for the recommendation.

>>40931168
Here's more practical stuff to work with.
Emissaries of Thagirion Qlipha from Book of Sitra Achra.
The emissaries teaches you directly step by step about each Qlipha in the Qliphoth.
Full chapter here;
https://archive.org/details/TheBookOfSitraAchra/page/n41/mode/2up

>>40931258
Brother I suck at theurgy. I've never been able to summon anything. And I don't feel comfortable working with Qliphoths.

>>40931168
Just sat you're looking for a McTradition book. Read more, the vast majority of things in Naos are not ceremonial.

>>40931263
Qliphoth is where you find all the serious supernatural stuff; "Tree of Knowledge" in genesis refers to the Qliphothic tree.
Real magic stuff is about the metaphysical metamorphosis that Qliphothic work leads to (the spiritual alchemy).
Personally recommend working with serious Qliphothic stuff; leads to way more fun lifestyles than not doing so.
Stuff like "Hellraiser" is about working with the Qliphoth.

>>40931336
What can you do with the Qliphots that you can't do with the Sephiroths?
I'm looking for enlightenment and happiness, not hell.

>>40931384
The Qliphoth teaches you about the structures of the states of the world before the formation of the Dayside Malkuth out of the Nightside Nahemoth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tohu_wa-bohu
"Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the spirit of God was hovering over the waters."

Different aspects of God and correlating Spiritual Domains.
"Malkuth" is a "fasade world" btw; "Eden" is a "fasade" during tutorial level campaign.
All the fun stuff is "Behind the scenes" (Qliphoth).

>>40931336
>Hurr durr it's the only real way

Anon, everything is like placebo, it's about convincing yourself so your thoughts are shaped. You can literally do it by just thinking. Sigils and simbols help creating a connexion, but the thoughts are creating the energy, not the scribbled lines.

>>40931397
All this can also be found in the Sephiroths. Why work with negative influences? Even more so if you're interested in metaphysics: the devil, the division (διαβάλλω), being literally what generates the world, the first particularization within the undivided, from which all universal suffering-insatisfaction flows; the source of conditioning.

>>40931409
> Sigils and simbols help creating a connexion
Sigils have Metaphysical functionality.
It's how "function" in spiritual systems is presented; through Sigils. Sigils are interacted with with the Third eye (the part of your brain you process spiritual information with).

>>40931411
>Why work with negative influences?
What's negative about Qlihothic stuff? It's the "behind the scenes" stuff.
Genesis mentions there to be "two trees to study"; Sephiroth and Qliphoth.
To understand the universe one must study the Qliphoth as well; not just the Sephiroth.
Studying just the Sephiroth mostly teaches you about societal structures and such.

In Genesis Adam is still asleep underneath the tree of knowledge btw.

>>40931397
Your image sums up the counter-traditional nature of these influences, and their purely malefic aspect: replacing the Hypertheos (Ain Sof) with the Tohu wa Bohu demonstrates a serious metaphysical confusion. The Tohu wa Bohu is the materia prima referred to by Thomas Aquinas, not the Source of Being (Ipsum Esse Subsistens). It is a broth of potentiality waiting to be given form - already particularized, existing, the equivalent of the Hindu Prakriti, not the Absolute, the Metaphysical Zero.

To confuse informal matter with the Absolute is a complete inversion of metaphysical principles. It reverses the supersessential with the informal, the Supraconscious with the Unconscious.

>>40931443
"Tohu Bohu Chasek" specifies "tier 000; tier 00; tier 0".

The books mentioned is directly generated by the Qliphoth btw; not human written ("N.a.a-218" is a "non-human author pseudonym"; books generated without human hands needing to manually write them; ie "Grimoires").
Worth spending time with to comprehend the Qliphoth through direct communications.

>>40931470
>Tohu Bohu Chasek" specifies "tier 000; tier 00; tier 0".
Yes, it's a pale copy of the way Crowley presents the Ain Sof. Picrel.

> generated without human hands needing to manually write them; ie "Grimoires"
Sure

>>40931498
Don't take Crowley too seriously overall.

>Sure
Yes. A lot of stuff in the world is created without manually being man-made.
The world is "conceptually generated" (RNG; generated in different patterns specified in a bunch of spiritual diagrams etc.).
Biblical mythology is also not human-written; it's "conceptually generated mythological texts" that are in reality "references to things going on here and now".

TV for example is "vast majority not filmed by hand"; being what stuff like the movie "The Matrix" tries to convey to the audience.
"Black Mirrors". TV is conceptually generated by stuff like Goetic Daemons and such. Majority of TV-personell are "imps".

>>40931556
On Crowley; the guy is called "Chris-Chan" in his modern day reincarnation.
Avoid the "religion of Thelema" if you want to remain sane; Crowley has degenerated to an autistic mongoloid.
Thelema is quite literally spiritually led by Chris-chan. Avoid spiritually exchanging ideas with Thelemites and taking it too seriously"; be critical of such spiritual discussions.
Study which of your thought-patterns and ideology comes from sharing ideas spiritually with Crowley as "A teacher/spiritual leadership figure". Criticize him more if you're communicating spiritually with the guy; ie don't take him very seriously. He's not a serious teacher/leader; his movement (Thelema) is just based around "theorycrafting about things one has very little practical experience with".

>>40931556
I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to tell me to be honest. I just see that your image talk of the Demiurge. That's another metaphysical concept misunderstood by the masses. Let's keep in mind that in the Christian system, Jesus is the Demiurge, by whom all things were made. The Demiurge isn't evil - Plato makes this clear in the Timaeus - he's just doing the best he can with what he's got, and the very nature of creation makes it impossible to create a world without suffering-insatisfaction. Precisely because of the difference between existence (ex-istere) and Being (esse): to create, to exist, is to particularize oneself, hence to condition oneself, hence to limit oneself. Everything that is conditioned is subject to the trilakshanas, the three marks of existence: impermanence, suffering-insatisfaction, non-self/vacuity. Just a tangent against the midwits who see the Demiurge as the Big Baddie. He is in a sense, yes, but not in the usual sense of a villain who wants to do evil. It's just that evil itself is the division within the Whole, like heresy (αἵρεσις).

>>40931578
>On Crowley; the guy is called "Chris-Chan" in his modern day reincarnation
What

>>40931582
The term Demiurge means "half-maker".
ie Demiurge doesn't refer to the True God; ie true creator of the universe; but to a smaller being that the Adamites has mistook for a God.
In reality not an important being at all that the Adamite population in their ignorance are working with spiritually; leading to a type of "spiritual self-slavery; ideology of self-restriction".
Try figuring out which parts of your own mind this refers to; if you're stuck in "stereotypical self-restrictions" (working with a literal tree; as in plant species; that wanted to be some sort of religious leader or something)

>>40931586
This being why Chris-Chan is a "well-known famous person"; being just Crowley in the modern day era; being what has drawn in the audience to his life.

>>40931604
>>40931578
Same individual soul.
Thelema is literally about "spiritually sharing ideas with Chris-Chan". Study Thelemites from that point of view.
Thelema propagates transsexualism due to Crowleys interest in transsexuality as Chris Chan.

>>40931597
>ie Demiurge doesn't refer to the True God; ie true creator of the universe; but to a smaller being that the Adamites has mistook for a God
This is where you're wrong, in my humble opinion, or where you're at odds with traditional metaphysics. This “little God” is precisely the Creator, for the Creator is not the Absolute but its particularized face (see the whole distinction between Saguna and Nirguna Brahman).

>>40929686

>>40931612
This is how echo-chambers work btw; people spiritually gathering under different spiritual leaders (ideological leaders).
"SJW culture" is very Crowley-influenced.

>>40931621
The term "Demiurge" literally means "Half-maker".
ie the word "demiurge" itself.

>>40931604
>>40931612
I've done a bit of research into Thelemite circles, the various lineages of the A.'.A.'., the O.T.O., and I've never heard of this person. I don't know who considers her to be Crowley's reincarnation, but to my knowledge this isn't a consensus among Thelemites.

>>40931632
For creation is never complete, existence being a particularization, an isolation, within the Whole. It's worth remembering that Creation is ultimately illusory - what is relatively true is absolutely false, and so “Creator” cannot be an absolute characteristic of the Principle.

>>40931635
>I don't know who considers her to be Crowley's reincarnation
That's just objectively factual; chris chan and crowley are the same being.
Try just spiritually communicating with crowley for a while and you'll notice this.

>>40929299 (OP)
You people don't know the forst thing about magical practices.
I bet you even light your candles with a match or a zippo.
Fucking losers.
You don't even scry.

>>40931645
I have great doubts about the ability of this kind of thing to establish objective truths, given that we're talking precisely about interacting with highly personal and subjective realms.

>>40931656
You can communicate spiritually directly to crowley/chris chan. He's a "public spiritual figure".
Look for how to do so and you should be able to figure out how to communicate directly with him (try calling him in to direct conversation). The same way people communicate with Jesus etc.

>>40931669
ie "invoke" him so to say.

>>40931669
I can't do that sort of thing, and even if I could, I don't want to commune with Crowley. I can't summon spirits and get answers, hence the nature of this thread. My prayers to my personal God (ishtadevata) ring hollow.

>>40931681
>>40931685
You can also spiritually call out for serious Apprenticeships with some sort of serious being; ie something more serious than Crowley; a lot of people have tried apprenticeships under Crowley; which doesn't lead very far at all; he never finished his apprenticeship; Crowley is a "Templar school drop-out".
Spiritually look for serious apprenticeships in magic and you'll attract in a more serious teacher.

>>40931712
I guess...

>>40931712
If you're serious about stuff you can start a Templar apprenticeship for example. Leads to full-time lifestyle; "Path of Thorns" etc starts kicking in (when reality becomes very harsh around you for a while; "no pain no gain")

>>40931740
It's entering into spiritual apprenticeships that leads to advanced comprehension of spirituality. How everything works technically so to say; loads of stuff to comprehend. Spiritual resources and that sort of stuff.
Metaphysical keys, etc etc. Puzzles and stuff.

>>40931755
I haven't found my sangha yet. It's difficult, since my metaphysics is very niche.

>>40929299 (OP)
>Robert Bruce: New Energy Ways (practice every day)
This covers the energy body, super practical and easy to get into
>Any chaos magick book for inspiration (read several)
This covers the muh magick, sigils etc
>Any symbolic system (such as western alchemy, hermeticism, Jung's illustrated Red Book) to fuel your dreams
This infuses your dreams with power that teaches you
>dream diary (super important)
Free visions every night
>basic qigong to ground yourself
Simple, meditative
There!

>>40929299 (OP)
Zhen qi pai by Jeff McDuffie.

>>40931442
>Adam is still asleep underneath the tree of knowledge
Don't you mean at the base of the tree of knowledge? Underneath the tree of knowledge is death/decay which produces much needed to sustain the tree.

>>40931909
https://youtu.be/mYCu2PYTkcM?si=uQPh4BXHT9zroc_U&t=532
This came to mind.
Darkwood ending; where the player wakes up at the base of the tree; finding a lot of people asleep there.

>>40931712
>apprenticeships under Crowley
Lmao I can only imagine the faggotry this would entail

Bump.

>>40932418
It's what jewish people have done; the jews think crowley is some sort of master or something.
Crowley is an autistic awkward person; he's trying to fake it.

>>40929299 (OP)

Shamanic art can be pretty powerful, particularly if you have a strong talent for it. Basically, just created art at the border of your conscious attention. If it works, you'll see effects. I don't know if it works for everybody, but it sure works for me.

I read about ceremonial magic on occasion because I find it interesting, but when I actually want effects I go straight to making art.

>>40929299 (OP)
Go back to basics, that's what magic without ritual is - spiritual development through meditation, energy work, contemplation and self-refinement, both spiritual and as a good person reaching for the divine in general.

There's fewer books about such because if you don't work with the ritual, symbolism, certain cosmology requiring you to understand and interpret things in particular way then a couple of basic, decent books on spiritual development will cover most of it, with a couple more of more advanced, in-depth works on particular stuff down the way. The rest is practice.

If not for heavily symbolic cosmology describing relations between, say, different kinds of qi and exercise regiments in place of the ritual, eastern spirituality wouldn't get many books either.

In the end, magic isn't a skill in things you do, it's expression of who you are, intimately tied to your qualities and spiritual development. Unless you study/compare particular traditions, several good books will be enough to guide you through your life. Most of the effect will come from practice, cultivating proper habits and attitudes.

>>40931578
Funny shitpost, but that's all it is.
I can only guess how much further Crowley would have to devolve to be Chris-chan, who lacks talents and abilities of his supposed past incarnation.

>>40934340
It makes sense, but it's boring desu
And it won't make me rich

Probably a shitpost but I will address it seriously since I am sure man yanons do think this way.
>>40934368
>It makes sense, but it's boring desu
It's a lifelong work of self-refinement. If it'd be fun or easy everyone would go for it.
>And it won't make me rich
It can but the funny thing is that since your development is shaped by your thoughts, your motivations for pursuing magic will affect that development and if your reason for capabilities beyond mundane is for satisfying mundane cravings, you automatically sabotage your progress.
It's one of several main reasons why despite there being unparalled access to even the obscure occult material and quite some interest, most people don't get anywhere - they look for easy cheat/power trip but to develop you need to strive to be more, not get more.

>>40934395
Neither a shitpost nor a troll
I know you're right but i'm tired of my life..
Thanks anon

>>40929299 (OP)
Then do the eastern shit you know of and prefer. Honestly though, there's ceremonial rituals in eastern practices too, and by that same token, there's meditative and contemplative practices in the western traditions too. Although, I don't know what you think about when you think about magic. There's a lot of conflations to unpack. You seem to rather be describing mysticism, and while there are often overlaps, the goals and methods of mysticism and magic are different.

>>40934558
I'm talking of both desu
I just want to be happy and rich
And I suck at rituals and vizualisation work

>>40934562
Like I said, there's a fair bit of rituals in eastern traditions, and if you're more interested in meditation, there's also a fair bit of visualizations involved. I don't know, maybe look into some simple sadhanas you could do for Lakshmi. Simple offerings of incense light/flame, water, uncooked rice, fruits, etc coupled with a simple mantra that doesn't need initiation. That shouldn't be too complex ritual-wise.

>>40934569
Does it work tho?

>>40934571
None of this shit works or doesn't work until you find out for yourself. I personally just maintain a simple Wednesday puja to Ganesha, It meets my needs for material goals and spiritual development.

>>40934576
>Wednesday puja to Ganesha, It meets my needs for material goals and spiritual development
In what ways?

I'm closer to Buddhadharma than sanatana dharma desu
I like advaita vedanta tho
Bur for bhakti, is there a buddhist equivalent of Lakshmi that would work?

I tried bhakti, saying a deity mantra and so on
My prayers feel hollow, no result

>>40934579
I mean, a lot of Hindu deities got ported over to Vajrayana. You predictably find Ganesha everywhere, but Lakshmi is also present
https://vajranatha.com/buddhism-magic/

>>40934579
>My prayers feel hollow, no result
Hey, man then maybe it's just not for you. But then I'd start worrying if there's anything for you at all. Maybe just go for the happy part and drop the extra baggage of desiring wealth too. Stick to breath meditations maybe.

I gotta go for now. Talk at you later, bro.

>>40934591
I went deep into anapanasati/samatha at one point
Went good, I almost reached the first jhana
Attained the first signs - piti and so on
Then it triggered me panic attacks so bad I had to stop
And I struggled to start again ever since
I think it was purifications of some sort.. Kek i'm cursed

>>40934594
Thanks for taking the time bro
God bless

>>40934584
Another good link on magick and the buddhist brahmaviharas https://www.integrateddaniel.info/magick-and-the-brahma-viharas

>>40934602
The self-proclaimed arahant?

>>40934635
Idc about the guy, the article is good

>>40929299 (OP)
You want the Magic for Autists Manual? Just read some seon/chan books and do a lot of meditating.