Thread 40944090

I’ve been thinking about this for some time, and I can’t help but notice how consistently beauty aligns with refinement of spirit. The Greeks weren’t wrong when they equated kalos with agathos — beauty and goodness. Even in nature, symmetry and proportion are reflections of an inner harmony, a kind of ontological nobility that reveals itself in form.

The hideous, meanwhile, almost always carries the mark of vulgarity, of inner dissonance. You can see the pettiness in their faces, the coarseness in their bodies. Ugly people almost never achieve anything transcendent; their souls seem weighed down by their lack of aesthetic dignity. Even their “talents” are usually forms of cleverness rather than greatness.

Physical beauty is not merely skin deep — it is the outward expression of inward order, the natural aura of a being destined for higher pursuits. This is why aristocracies naturally gravitate towards beauty, and why peasant stock has historically been defined by deformity, excess, and mediocrity. The body is a vessel, but it also reveals the rank of the spirit it houses.

Am I wrong to see beauty as a kind of metaphysical calling card? That those who are born beautiful are already marked as belonging to the higher strata of existence, whether they realize it or not?

>>40944090 (OP)
>judging by appearances

you are foolish

>>40944090 (OP)
In a just world, it would be. Now ask yourself if the world is just.

>>40944090 (OP)
Yes but ugly people can grow too

>>40944090 (OP)
>Am I wrong to see beauty as a kind of metaphysical calling card?
Yes, because metaphysics are conceptually and experientially prior to physics. You're inverting the conceptual relationship, the same way that monarchism does by arguing that the king must be the king because he's the son of the old king.

>>40944179
then why did the cosmetic industry come to be?
>be Gruggette
>many moons past
>see Gracie the most beautiful grug ever, kind as can be, everyone is drawn to her and she is just great
>Gruggette seethes
>Smashes rocks, realizes the colorful dust can make Gruggette look prettier
>The first sorcery is born

>>40944179
Now show them without the pounds of makeup and expensive plastic surgery.

>>40944208
Yeah it's eyes and/or facial structure. Beauty is sort of subjective, but there is a very specific kind of beauty that OP is talking about that's a real thing.

>>40944090 (OP)
Yes. However, you will notice that nominally "attractive" people with shitty thinking and personalities tend to subconsciously repulse.

Ugly people who are virtuous are quite radiant. Perhaps not sexually attractive, but magnetic nonetheless.

>>40944090 (OP)
You aren't wrong mostly, except a peasant could be more beatiful, kinder and noble than the "noble". You can't really judge people by the looks though.

>>40944090 (OP)
In terms of natural beauty I would say yes however we live in a twisted world where every woman does everything in their power to avoid their natural beauty and men too take every drug they can to deform their bodies to a rediculous unnatural standard. Naturally beautiful people are also funneled like toys into the hands of evil evil people (and are thus traumatised and destroyed). Most of the "hot" women linked in this thread are actually just mediocre women with alot of makeup/dyed hair/plastic surgery ect.

>>40944179
picrel

I'll take these gorgeous White women over the repugnant shitskins they've been throwing in our faces for the last 12 years ANY day dude

We work hard man, when I'm taking a break or winding down and catching up on bullshit and hearsay I want someone easy on the eyes, me it's ugly enough out there without having to see it in your chosen media venue

>>40944090 (OP)
>>40944179 is right

>>40944179
Yes goy appearances mean nothing it’s pure coincidence don’t believe your lying eyes haven’t you watched my 6 gorillion movies on the matter?

>>40944090 (OP)
Two people’s genes combined to make a socially attractive specimen.
There is no more to it that that.

You might already be hypnotized by someone’s halo effect to even come to a conclusion like this.

>>40944900
>except a peasant could be more beatiful, kinder and noble than the "noble"
Yes, but in the real world, this happens so rarely that it can't be considered anything but a statistical outlier. Cherry-picked conditional hypotheticals do not a valid argument make, so avoid committing the NAXALT fallacy.

>>40945429
>Yes, but in the real world, this happens so rarely
Not everyone lives in India, I’m afraid.

I've been saying this for years and all /x/ ever does is reeee and seethe because they know I'm right (see this archived thread https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/39401246). Beauty is good and goodness is beautiful, aesthetic things have moral value. Pretty people are loved by the gods, and ugly people are craven and disgraceful cowards who are hated by the gods. Fat people are disgusting abominations with no self-control etc. We have known this for THOUSANDS OF YEARS, it's only in recent clown years that we've started having toxic "body positivity" discourse.

>>40945089
>Naturally beautiful people are also funneled like toys into the hands of evil evil people (and are thus traumatised and destroyed)
The nose people hate beauty and want to punish and rape and destroy it. See the jack-in-the-box bit from Fantasia 2000 it's redpill as fuck

>>40944090 (OP)
No :D
And you're not beautiful.
Next troll?

>>40944090 (OP)
>That those who are born beautiful are already marked as belonging to the higher strata of existence, whether they realize it or not?
It may be related to being something like blessed or cursed.

Look pal, you've made this troll thread a billion times.
Unless you can demonstrate a particularly high profile Siddhi, which means you can do amazing things, you're not especially high profile spiritually.
Case in point, demons (debateable), are usually related to ugliness and foul scents. Guess what, I do not think you equal a demonic dark god in power, spiritual or otherwise.
So kindly fuck off.

>>40945528
>And you're not beautiful.

It's ironic how when uggos lash out at pretty people, their go-to insult is "y-you're not pretty actually. You're ugly like me." Like really? That's the worst insult you can think of? You really hate yourself that much?

>>40944187
This.

Physical attractiveness or lack there-of does not equate to the character of a person-- good / evil.

The same way we'd still love an ugly cat or a pretty cat, but at the end of the day, they'd still be cats-- Their physical qualities not correlating to their disposition.

Or even, for example, other animals. There are SO many lovely, cute, pretty animals that are dangerous / aggressive to humans. We wouldn't assume, let's say, a polar bear of being friendly just because it looks cute, right?

And, if you didn't know it, spiders, a notoriously "scary-looking" insect oftentimes make great pets, are intelligent, etc.

Don't judge a book by it's cover,
>>40944090 (OP)

>>40945552
>demons (debateable), are usually related to ugliness and foul scents.
And angels are usually associated with beauty and pleasant scents, what's your point? Everyone agrees that angels are better than demons. "Beauty is better than ugly" might as well be a law of physics at this point.

Like attracts like. Good benevolent beautiful people will attract good benevolent beautiful spirits. Ugly petty hateful people will attract ugly petty hateful spirits (notice how transgender clown "witches" never work the angelic grimoires but are obsessed with the Goetia)

>>40944821
>Ugly people who are virtuous are quite radiant. Perhaps not sexually attractive, but magnetic nonetheless.
name THREE. I DARE you.

>>40945562
>uggos
Proof?
Because I've never hit on girls, but they do hit on me.
Don't get me wrong, my only passion is my occupation, and I could care less about vegana, bob or childer, but I do get hit on.
My guess is you have to put on effort?
And I am not insulting you, as "ugly" is very childish and unfun.
More than anything I need not be insulting save for jest, after all I'm a very violent person, so I have resources that people whose only dream of hurting others is "an insult" care not to have.
:)

>>40945974
Next up: Virtue.
Wheres yours? Because hateful people arent virtuous. I should know myself, after all I loathe virtue.
So where is your virtue, magpie? You got any? I'd pay to see virtue in action.

Nah, humans are a very old tale, unscrupulous people who shit and piss their pants upon death -did you know this little fact?, that you will shit and piss yourself in your time?-.
Where will be your beauty?
Ah, the best fukk u you could do yo this world that is so impuous and ugly is to be defiling a clean bef with your excrements and conjointed ugliness.
But you're pretty you say.
Pray tell, I'm 45, how much money you wager I invested in Sorcery before I became younger again? Striking how fleeting and brief the beauty of a rose is, like a ghost it comes and goes.
Yet you're beauty in the flesh you say, least for today :)

>>40946002
Beauty.
A flower is cut on its prime.
Lasts a good 3 days, then it withers.
This is your virtue, anon, 15 minutes of fame in a lustful desire.
Can it, kid, get a better virtue.
One that lasts and outwits time.
May I tempt you?

>>40946014
I am guilty, I must however confess, of OPs gluttonous vice. THAT is why I learnt much sorcery. I imagine it happens to faggot Op a lot: You look in the mirror and time has passed, years, and you're not so plump baby, you see a mark, it's aging.
Happens a lot.
So you do Sorcery. If you know any.
Problem is, I still have some of the mark and I'm now... Different. Magick does that.

The reason for these monologues?
I used to be -and still kinda am- vainglorious like Op. Despite my best effort, I'm still somewhat old, so, Op, here: what do you think about oxidation and the ageing process of which you, I'm sure, are well aware?
Does time erase virtue?

Be like me or not, but your beauty is tied to youth, and you're probably a despicable human to boot...

Even this toy has more durable ellegance than Op. So much for that.

Thank you. For your time. That I stole. You're uglier now.

>>40946055
I'm pushing 40 and I promise you I'm still getting hit on when I go out. Youth is supremely overrated

>>40944090 (OP)
>even reincarnation won't make me pretty
Well, that sucks. Imma make it everyone else's problem tho.

>>40944187
>Now ask yourself if the world is just.
It is.

>>40944090 (OP)
I have always had a split personality, and have an uneven face.

Physical beauty is largely a sign of good health.
If a plant is healthy and beautiful, people attribute it to good nutrition. But if a person is healthy and beautiful, people try to attribute it to genetics, without remembering that it took generations of good nutrition for epigenetics to display their idealized state of health and beauty.

You should be able to see real life examples of people you know, where the boomers were beautiful people who ate goyslop, and correspondingly their kids are less beautiful than the parents.

Evil souls can be born into good bodies. And most people go through a phase of evil in their youth, to reject much of it as they turn into adults, and especially when they contemplate life in an old age home.

In general though, physical beauty does correlate to greater morals. But there are tons of exceptions. It a trend, not an absolute rule.
Also don't forget that nearly everyone who was hot in their 20's looks ugly at 60.

>>40944179
These hosts are clones.

>>40944090 (OP)
Pyramidal nose is a aristocratic trait.
Usually with a bump in the middle of it.
Tricia Helfer nose, for instance.
Vulgar nose, on the contrary, is always flat.

Lately I've been seeing energetic geometric patterns in people. I think it's similar to what people who use Ayahuasca say they observe while in a trance.
Some are more sophisticated than others.
Beauty varies by race and different cultures have different aesthetic standards.
Tall blondes are beautiful to us and I don't know the process they went through to achieve that aesthetic.Another alien race like octopuses have another perspective of what is physically beautiful.
Some people see others as beautiful because of some emotional connection from past lives.

>>40945634
>Socrates
>Danny Devito
>Larry David

>>40945089
There's a reason witches and jews run the cosmetic industry

>>40945634
> name THREE. I DARE you.
Fred Rogers, Luciano Pavarotti, Lemmy from Motörhead. And because I’m sure you’re going to pick those apart, also Nietzsche, Alexander Dumas, and Abraham Lincoln.

>>40947980
>Physical beauty is largely a sign of good health.
If a plant is healthy and beautiful, people attribute it to good nutrition. But if a person is healthy and beautiful, people try to attribute it to genetics, without remembering that it took generations of good nutrition for epigenetics to display their idealized state of health and beauty.

I don't rule it out at all. Passing on beauty to your children based on your diet is very interesting.

>>40944090 (OP)
feet

>>40944090 (OP)

Only a demon would tell humanity not to value beauty.

>>40947980
>morals
Lmao
Take this with you, anon, the morals under the bed might eat you.

>>40944090 (OP)
this ai generated image looks like a basic whore

Itt: we claim beauty and we do not provide evidence

Classic troll.
1. No one posted pics of xir faces. Timestamped.
2. Claiming to be on higher moral grounds while simultaneously judging character of such by looks and nit behaviour.
Lmoa
Idk about you, I belong to a religion where good morals arent required, but if I belonged to a religion wherein you have to be moral, Id mind them.

>>40948084
>Tall blondes are beautiful to us and I don't know the process they went through to achieve that aesthetic
no one knows what it's like
to be faded
to be hated

>>40949161
I know what is to be hated.
It's interesting: You were condemned to death, and this nigger was good in retrospective now.
You deserve a spleen stab. After another.

>>40944179
every one of these women have the aged botox harpy phenotype, yes, and it's not visually appealing, it's quite uncanny, what the fuck is even your point

>>40944090 (OP)
Beauty means absolutely nothing at all. Most beautiful people are some of the worst people out there. In my opinion, it actually makes you beneath unbeautiful people in a way.

>>40944090 (OP)
BEAUTY IS RELATIVE. YOU'RE ALL BEAUTIFUL TO SOMEONE AND UGLY TO SOMEONE. PERSPECTIVE. AN IT MEANS NOTHING AT ALL.

To a certain extent yes. Pure souls and intelligent souls have a certain look to them.

But this world is pretty terrible at judging these things. Instagram whores with lip fillers should look ghastly but the average hylic normie think they're beautiful

Bump

>>40944090 (OP)
Yes but also no
There’s nothing more beautiful than a joyful smile, regardless of who wears it. And prosperity, goodness and innocence come hand in hand with joy.
Don’t confuse beauty with breedability.

>>40949314
t. jewish ginger who got voted least attractive by the girls in fourth grade

>>40944090 (OP)
>Is physical beauty a sign of an aristocratic soul and an elevated spiritual potential?
No. It is a sign of healthy enough to breed. Only your brain doesn't tell you that because if you knew how much energy you were to put into reproduction you're run away screaming.

>>40950762
see
>>40949380

>>40944090 (OP)
yea

>>40944090 (OP)
Yes unfortunately.
Ugly people are less evolved.
There might be exceptions but generally this is the case. Look at how peaceful Norway is vs violent and barbaric africa.

>>40944090 (OP)
Do you have any more like the pic you posted, OP?

>>40944090 (OP)
Wrong. While certain harmony and positive outlook does affect your looks thorough development, it doesn't depend on noble traits from the standpoint of society, as much as harmonious.

There's plenty of beautiful, yet vapid, not particularly bright, spoiled and arrogant people who are unfit for spiritual pursuits, even though in their daily life they cultivated joy, charm, appreciation and satisfaction which found reflection in abovementioned harmony and beauty. Similarly a small dose of calm, peaceful, enduring melancholy can add to the beauty of a growing person (if they exhibit other traits, like ones above) but it doesn't make them good.

By comparison, yes, many ugly people grew up in stress, struggle and with internal dissonance, but developed strong, enduring, good traits to function and offer value.

>Am I wrong to see beauty as a kind of metaphysical calling card?
Yes.
It may be potential, it may be a solid foundation in childhood, but that's all.

1/2

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>>40955204
I, myself was a pretty kid - not in a way that makes just parents gush, but in a way that let me get away with some stuff, be charming for strangers, attract some peers enough they had crushes on me in our preteen or early teenage years. I was supposedly also pretty smart and witty, ahead of my peers in certain subjects, the only person programming in my school at such a young age (even if it was nothing but the shittiest text games).
But I was also spoiled, demanding, getting angry or feeling mistreated over bullshit in "my way or the highway" manner, lazy and I slipped both socially and in terms of academic performance. Hard. Couple that with a few unpleasant or even traumatic events, my innate nerdy spergery that made me lose most of the charisma over time and I've struggled, being much worse off spiritually than I am now, an anon older than average, wiser, better in character but with enough shit, scars and ugly spots, both mental and physical - that I look average at best, and possibly less than that and am hardly a charming companion.
At the same time I found people more attractive than me who were clearly immoral and twisted, aware and using their looks to acquire wealth and status or simply torment others to satisfy their sense of superiority.

Thus, yes - certain traits of character, outlook and attitude correlate with physical beauty but no - it doesn't mean the person's more spiritually developed, moral, intelligent or good. Merely more harmonious inside - but completely arrogant, destructive, sadistic assholes with no interest in spiritual, only driven by greed and ego can also be in harmony with themselves and their moral rot.

Test

>>40948878
second pic is how she will treat herself after she gets what she wants.

No, midwit troll

>>40944090 (OP)
I didn't read your text wall. but to answer the question posed as the pot's topic:
No, physical beauty is nothing more than an indicator of genetic fitness and overall health...it's a sign to potential mates that you would make healthy children...that's all

>>40944854
Fugg

>>40944852
Libra activities.

>>40944090 (OP)
>More ai slop