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mr. bruh its back No.40965780 >>40965882 >>40967436 >>40967694 >>40967704 >>40967850 >>40967932 >>40968036 >>40968115 >>40968653 >>40968671 >>40970401 >>40970900 >>40971085 >>40971687 >>40976129 >>40976144 >>40978365
Is there some kind of conspiracy against solar panels?
Anonymous No.40965882 >>40965899 >>40968351 >>40974831 >>40974972 >>40976162 >>40976219
>>40965780 (OP)
Oil companies aren’t fans of them, I think we should have a wide range of options, coal, solar, oil, wind, cold fusion, zero point energy, etc
It creates fail safes and backups
Anonymous No.40965899 >>40967668
>>40965882
Aye, good idea to keep different kinds of fuel around for different kinds of machines, old and new, but yeah, more or less probably how carriage companies and work horse farmers felt when automobiles started taking off. Work horse farmers are still around, horses raised for carriages are still around, but much fewer than before.
Anonymous No.40965914 >>40967375 >>40967859 >>40974964
They'd crack this planet straight down the middle in half if it meant they'd save a few dollars
Anonymous No.40967173 >>40967182
It's called the duck curve. If the time we need power and the time we generate power aren't the same, things break.

All viable forms of energy generation are nuclear. This includes solar and geothermal which are just nuclear fusion and fission, respectively. I like the idea of being able to actually control the reactor, though.
Anonymous No.40967182 >>40967360
>>40967173
>It's called the duck curve. If the time we need power and the time we generate power aren't the same, things break.
Mechanical energy storage makes it trivial, aside from up front cost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv7w-naTGoE
Anonymous No.40967360 >>40968682
>>40967182
And then your efficiency drops to nothing.
NUCLEAR.
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Anonymous No.40967375
>>40965914
well that's kind of the ultimate purpose of anything existing on this planet but yeah idk that we need to rush it, we don't really have reliable tools or technologies for it either, never mind ways to do it without a pile of extinction events
Anonymous No.40967436 >>40967501 >>40967694 >>40967859
>>40965780 (OP)
yeah but you need to understand what is the real nature of capitalism. It's not just about money. It's about destroying humanity, hurting nature, degrading it.

They could make tons of money with solar. But you literally can't hurt humanity with that and can't pollute with that.
Anonymous No.40967501 >>40967518 >>40968077
>>40967436
The solar panels are made with literal slave labour
Anonymous No.40967518 >>40967859
>>40967501
Everything is made by literal slave labour. You aren't on Earth to work for a fucking company. You are forced to... yeah, like a literal slave labour.
Anonymous No.40967668
>>40965899
Damn I hope thats going to happen to boomer combustion engines soon, that shit is so retarded in so many ways
Anonymous No.40967694 >>40967859 >>40978374
>>40965780 (OP)
Like >>40967436 said it's a capitalist plot. More specifically a capitalist jewish plot against the spiritual energy of the sun/Apollo/Vishnu. When Hitler comes back he'll instate solar national socialism. He'll use the power of the Sun to not only solve all problems on Earth but also colonize the entire system. After that great journey it'll be the end of the Golden Age and humanity will be thrown back in the beginning of a new cycle of civilization, a new heroic age. Just this time it'll be in space.
Anonymous No.40967704 >>40967717 >>40970339
>>40965780 (OP)
https://fas.org/publication/invention_secrecy_2010/ There is documented suppression of solar panels with efficiencies of 80%+. This was 50 years ago

Free energy means free people anon and the overlords don’t want that
Anonymous No.40967717
>>40967704
The Invention Secrecy Act of 1951 is still in effect BTW. Your rulers do whatever they want under the guise of “National Security”
Anonymous No.40967718 >>40967750 >>40967859 >>40967867 >>40968049 >>40974799
Something to make you think
Anonymous No.40967750 >>40967867
>>40967718
inb4 the screeching chud manbabies arrive to cry all over your post
Anonymous No.40967850 >>40968387 >>40971057 >>40981804
>>40965780 (OP)
No. There are just functional and technical limitations.

I will list a few

1) Power generation is based on incident sunlight which we cant control. This either over provides or under provides (day-night cycle, seasonality, weather)
2) Over provided energy needs to be stored to deal with times when it under provides - battery storage issues are limiting
3) The batteries are an environmental nightmare themselves and energy intensive to make
4) Photovoltaic cells take advantage of properties of semiconductor materials, incurring the same climatological impacts and e-waste of any other semiconductor manufacturing
5) Scaling requires additional surface area to capture more incident light which is not sustainable with our growing energy demands
6) DC-AC conversion losses coupled with line losses make it ill suited for long distance power transmission
7) Maintenance burdens are non-trivial and have a direct and immediate impact on power output
8) Photovoltaic cells and the batteries have a poor end of life cycle. They are not really recycleable.

The sort of sad reality is that fossil fuels have a massive advantage in energy storage and power output (electric motors have instant torque but much lower torque generally when compared to diesel).

Solar is a useful technology that should be tactically deployed where applicable, but its not a solution in and of itself. It becomes a little better once we get batteries figured out but we won’t really ever solve the inherent limitations.

The ideal end result is nuclear. Improved fission reactors (molten salt, triso particle) and eventually fusion (or near fusion such as with Helion’s pulser reactor).

I like the idea of agri-solar. Using solar panels for local energy and climate control for growing crops.
Anonymous No.40967859 >>40968442
>>40965914
>>40967436
>>40967518
>>40967694
>>40967718

Retarded communist takes…
Anonymous No.40967867 >>40969667
>>40967718
>>40967750
The DPRK still uses coal power even if they do have solar powered busses, Anarchism is anti dialectical nonsense and nuclear power no solar is the future.
Anonymous No.40967932 >>40981824
>>40965780 (OP)
yes, there is in fact a conspiracy against them, but not for the reasons you would think. you'll find Derrick Jensen et al explored this question a while back and both confirmed and expanded the lies being told to the public about the green movement on two fronts- financial and technical, not scientific.

what this means is that there are in fact financial drivers behind the green movement, but it generally revolves around fabricating fantastic new technologies to shake money out of the pockets of gullible investors.

from a technical perspective, the one rule which actually matters in the end is whether or not a solar panel can, during its effective lifetime, produce enough power to create a replacement of itself due to wear and tear, additional solar panels for infrastructure expansion, industrial loads not related to the mining, refinement, recycling, and manufacture of solar panels, industrial agriculture, general economic use, then lastly, residential. as it stands now, the ratio is about 1,000,000 to 1 in terms of solar panels surface area needed to make another panel. 1,000,000 square meters to make 1 square meter, considering you have to use electric mining trucks, electric hauling trucks, electric furnaces, electric everything.

from a scientific perspective, everything works as advertised, its just that it has a negative energy-return-on-energy-invested, the EROI term they use. back in the easy days of petroleum extraction, it was 200 barrels extracted for 1 barrel used to power the extraction process from the ground to the gas pump. now we are looking at 5:1 EROI on oil...

end result- we are fucked in terms of energy and no amount of greenwashing will change that. you'll like Jensen's other books on this topic. he is the sophisticated thinking mans conspiracy theorist, though he wouldn't agree.

https://derrickjensen.org/bright-green-lies/
https://derrickjensen.org/welcome-to-the-machine/
https://derrickjensen.org/endgame/

qrd- its all abuse.
Anonymous No.40968036
>>40965780 (OP)
Solar can be great, the problem is they only put panels on our fertile soil and the leaching of heavy metals causes food to #1 whither, and #2 become poisoned. We can see it with China where they tried to make solar panels integrated into farms.
The desert would be a great place to make solar panels.
Wind farms fuck with most animals due to the high pitched grinding of the turbines.
The only way to get relatively clean energy would be micro reactors or high altitude generators but no one spends any time on altitude energy generation which is fucking dumb but they’d fuck with birds too.
Anonymous No.40968049 >>40974802
>>40967718
Communism is the worst political take and I am a huge reason that normies even got into it 20 years ago.
Central planning almost never works except in circumstances where the possibility to incorporate graft and fraud don’t make sense.
The problem is the greedy people that run the world will still run the world in a communist society, they’ll just be the government rather than pretending to not be the government.
Anonymous No.40968077 >>40968091
>>40967501
>He said from his device assembled by slave labor
You should unironically kys yourself
Anonymous No.40968091 >>40968103
>>40968077
What on earth are you talking about?
The coltan mines that use the child labor?
The Foxconn facilities where employees have nets to keep them from killing themselves?
The truck drivers who are literal car slaves?
You gotta be more specific in what part of the logistical and manufacturing chain has slave labor.
Anonymous No.40968103 >>40968110
>>40968091
The part where solar is bad becUse slave labor but you're okay with typing retarded shit on your slave labor electronics buddy. Shows you have no morality and you're just a whinging retard. Now go donate your device to needy slaves right now or stfu.
Anonymous No.40968110
>>40968103
I’m not that retard. I’m outlining the fact that everything is slave labor bud.
Anonymous No.40968115 >>40974959
>>40965780 (OP)
Spain found a way to tax the sun.
Surely capitalism will find a way to do it better, those fucking socialists aren’t even that smart.
Real capitalists would geoengineer sunshine as a service (make everyday cloudy until people pay a ransom)
Anonymous No.40968351
>>40965882
For the greater good? Get the fuck outta here
Anonymous No.40968387
>>40967850
Hydrocarbons are likely to stick around for aircraft, at least, because they become lighter as they fly, but a depleted battery is almost the exact same weight.
We don't actually need to harvest natural oil for that, though. We can synthetically produce jet fuel from the carbonic acid in sea water.
Anonymous No.40968442 >>40968463 >>40968507
>>40967859
>muh gommunism

shut up idiot there's no such thing as "communism", the idea is philosophically untenable, nobody actually self-identifies as a communist it's just a sneer word your boomer uncle uses when he sees a black person on TV or whatever
Anonymous No.40968463 >>40968488 >>40968503
>>40968442
"Reactionary" is a term used by communists to mean "anyone who reacts negatively to what we do".
Anonymous No.40968488 >>40971017
>>40968463
>"Reactionary"

that word appeared 0 times in this thread up until now, you're imagining things, take meds nao
Anonymous No.40968503
>>40968463
It’s not 1950 grandpa just calling things “communist” isn’t enough anymore, you need to actually address the arguments and positions of your opponents now
Anonymous No.40968507
>>40968442
>nobody actually self-identifies as a communist
Caleb Maupin
Jackson Hinkle
Jason Unruhe
Kim Jong-un
Kim Yo-jong
WPK
The Naxalites
Anyone in the CPGB-ML
Cuban Leadership
Vietnam Leadership
Anonymous No.40968606
not sure I can trust someone with a furry porn profile icon to be genuine about something politically polarizing
Anonymous No.40968653
>>40965780 (OP)
>Is there some kind of conspiracy against solar panels?
Yes, by solar itself.
>https://archive.is/wbIgr
Anonymous No.40968671
>>40965780 (OP)
They're not a particuarly good source of power and the Chinese make them
Anonymous No.40968682 >>40971033
>>40967360
>And then your efficiency drops to nothing.
Using pulleys and weights is far more efficient than pumping water, the old way of doing it. Iirc it's more efficient than chemical batteries.
Anonymous No.40969629 >>40971350
>check /x/ after months of seeing nothing worth reading
>/x/ - paranormal is now about twitter screencaps of furries talking about the politics of solar panels
Anonymous No.40969667 >>40969744
>>40967867
nope, thats the past but thanks for playing, boomer
Anonymous No.40969744 >>40969834 >>40970386 >>40970498 >>40970511
>>40969667
The DPRK and other anti-imperialist nations are the future it’s the imperialist West that is the past.
Anonymous No.40969834 >>40970402
>>40969744
It's both the past
Anonymous No.40970339 >>40978388 >>40979545
>>40967704
Free energy means collapsed economies, which is not "freedom" moron.
Anonymous No.40970386 >>40970395
>>40969744
you need to go back
Anonymous No.40970395 >>40970416
>>40970386
to where?
Anonymous No.40970401
>>40965780 (OP)
But you can though. Giant mechanical arm holding a giant shade. Pull a Montgomery Burns.
Anonymous No.40970402
>>40969834
>It's both the past
Good morning sir
Anonymous No.40970416 >>40970429
>>40970395
lmfao, didn't think you could make yourself being a newfag even more obvious. fuck off back to the website you used before you stumbled upon here
Anonymous No.40970429 >>40970473
>>40970416
No
Anonymous No.40970473 >>40970494
>>40970429
rope yourself, state capitalist nigger
Anonymous No.40970494 >>40970623
>>40970473
Take an ice pick to the brain trot
Anonymous No.40970498 >>40970511 >>40970539
>>40969744
This is crazy.
You realize that people in China have to try and catch escaping dprk citizens and send them back to Korea right?
North Korea is chinas Mexico.
China is Taiwan and japans mexico
Anonymous No.40970511 >>40970539
>>40969744
I’m
>>40970498
Ask me how I know North Korea is a shithole :)
Anonymous No.40970539 >>40970562
>>40970498
>>40970511
Most of who are economic migrants hoping to make some money and return back to the DPRK when they have done so
The DPRK is the only true Korea and PRC is the only true China
South ‘korea’ and Taiwan are puppet states of the west.
Anonymous No.40970562 >>40970602
>>40970539
The punishment of leaving Korea for China is death.
You aren’t Korean and you’re definitely not Chinese.
You should visit both.
Otherwise you’re a useful idiot when you speak to people who have.
Anonymous No.40970602 >>40970619
>>40970562
If so then why do so many defectors return to the DPRK? You’re just repeating western propaganda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkUMZS-ZegM
https://www.dw.com/en/north-korea-defector-returns-home-calling-south-capitalist-hell/a-39745918
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/05/world/asia/north-korea-defector-south-korea.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/14/north-korean-defector-interrupts-un-human-rights-event-plead/
Anonymous No.40970619
>>40970602
Do you know where that photo I posted is from?
Do you know where this was taken?
I’ve been there. The only Koreans in China work in hospitality (prostitutes), the main cities are clean but the villages are the most impoverished I’ve ever seen.
Korea (both sides) is a shithole.
Anonymous No.40970623 >>40970645
>>40970494
you're too fucking stupid to realise normal people from outside your inbred fucking microcosm exist, i'm not some "leftist" faggot like you red mouth breathing fucks, i'm an anarchist. once again, i encourage you to kill yourself
Anonymous No.40970645 >>40970661
>>40970623
>i'm an anarchist
So you’re even worse than a trot you should kill yourself anarchists are anti-dialectical fools who’s entire theory is based on utopian nonsense and always align with imperialism
Stalin already destroyed Anarchism's entire foundation
Anonymous No.40970661 >>40970684 >>40970705
>>40970645
too long, didn't read that shit lmfao. go back to your little reddit boards and cut your veins open with neva/sputnik razor blades tonight for ultimate soviet immersion
Anonymous No.40970671
God you bootlickers are so fucking cringe.
Your propaganda is weak.
You’re the political version of incels. Pinning for a nation that doesn’t care about you and will actively use you as a beta orbiter to feel more self important.
Anonymous No.40970684 >>40970697 >>40970703 >>40970705
>>40970661
>A single paragraph is too long for him to read
Low IQ zoomer no wonder you’re an anarchist
Also Reddit hates Russia, China and the DPRK you retard the woke left always take the side of imperialism and NATO
Anonymous No.40970697
>>40970684
didn't read. please off yourself though, your family won't notice for 3 months.
Anonymous No.40970703
>>40970684
You need to get out bud.
You should visit all 3 of those countries.
You’ll find they’re not much different than Europe.
Definitely more authoritarian
Anonymous No.40970705 >>40970729
>>40970661
>>40970684
This is your brain on polticial theory. A conversation about solar panels devolves into tribalist shit flinging. A good reminder that cults like religion and nationalism are mental parasites that eat your brain from inside out.
You’re both retarded.
Anonymous No.40970729 >>40970742 >>40970748 >>40970769 >>40970815
>>40970705
anarfag here, i thoroughly believe i'm not retarded. the problem with people like DPRKfag here is that you can't reason with them. i've tried and failed repeatedly. no matter how hard you try, you can't reason with somebody with enough religious-like zeal to deny things like the holodomor, just like no matter how hard you try, you can't teach a dog definite integrals. tankies are all the same anyway, there isn't a single independent thought in their heads. they think they're going against the grain but in reality they're just as dumb as the average conservative, mindlessly repeating the same phrases and points, taken from their god-status gurus. best i can do is tell the guy to kill myself, sorry not sorry.
Anonymous No.40970742
>>40970729
*tell the guy to kill himself, cute little typo (it's 3am here in kazan)
Anonymous No.40970748 >>40970794 >>40970815
>>40970729
The crazy thing is I’ve shown them I’ve been to North Korea, you don’t take photos like I have unless you’re there.
Tineye will reveal no other matches.
I am a first hand witness of North Korea and their absolute bullshit country. It’s truly the worst place I’ve ever been second only to the Congo.
I truly believe they aren’t a human or they’re paid to be here and act retarded.
Anonymous No.40970769 >>40970780 >>40978403
>>40970729
Anarchists must be on to something. They get the most opposition whenever they speak up, and it's mostly unhinged seething from braindead communist LARPers living in the past. It's all corrupted to shit and it's so obvious. Communism, Capitalism, Fascism, doesn't matter. It's all cancer. Anarchists have a point
Anonymous No.40970780 >>40970825 >>40971226
>>40970769
The problem is the other systems will always take over.
Anarchism can’t work when people love either their freedom, or controlling others.
The people that love freedom don’t need a government, and the people that love control create government.
Anonymous No.40970794
>>40970748
and i believe you. look, i really despise shilling countries, religions, national identities and so on. all these things really are just anti-logical tumors. but i also have too much experience to not know how trying to reason with tankies always goes. regarding the travel thing, i'm pretty sure *everywhere* is better than the congo. 20th century conflicts really fucked that place up.
Anonymous No.40970815 >>40970827 >>40970833 >>40970843 >>40970844 >>40970857
>>40970748
You being a tourist doesn’t prove anything many other tourists have reporting things that contradict what you say
https://sputniknews.com/asia/201709121057330168-serbia-tourists-visit/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2638213/Tourist-took-camera-inside-North-Korea-expected-really-really-sad-people-shocked-seemingly-ordinary-lives-citizens.html
https://greekreporter.com/2017/10/14/exclusive-the-greek-who-lived-in-north-korea-tells-her-story/
>>40970729
dekusada.blogspot.com/2014/04/by-marcel-cartier-i-had-unique.html
>DPRKfag here is that you can't reason with them. i've tried and failed repeatedly
You haven’t tried at all you just threw a tantrum and started tell me to kill myself then admitted you have zero attention span
>holodomor
hohol propaganda but it’s not surprising that you support that Nazi regime in Kiev
>tankies
woke slur YWNBAW
>dumb as the average conservative
We have actual political theory on outside but then again you don’t read as you’ve already admitted
Anonymous No.40970825
>>40970780
anarchism isn't really an end goal we're trying to achieve, it's a process. just like today's countries wouldn't survive if their "democratic" and government processes stopped, so would the state of anarchy once people stopped caring to preserve it. the struggle never really ends.
Anonymous No.40970827 >>40970862
>>40970815
I wasn’t a tourist. I worked there.
Anonymous No.40970833
>>40970815
whatever, like i said, you're all the same, i ain't about to waste my night having the same discussion i've had with other tankies in the past all over again. i'd much rather keep wasting it the way i'm doing it right now.
Anonymous No.40970843 >>40970862
>>40970815
I’m not going to dox myself but I worked there for 6 months.
Tourists visit for a couple of weeks.
I know it’s a shit hole.
I urge you to visit maybe they’ll give you a warmbier for your troubles.
Anonymous No.40970844 >>40970857 >>40970911
>>40970815
also i don't support any government you fucking mong, as stated, i am an anarchist. i merely support the right of the people living in ukraine to not be bombed to shit by my glorious country's air force. why the fuck do you shill modern russia anyway? it's a fucking shithole, i would know, i *fucking live here*
Anonymous No.40970857 >>40970911
>>40970815
It’s crazy you have a Russian>>40970844
And a card carrying CPPCC member telling your North Korea and Russia suck.
You should rethink your stance on being retarded.
Anonymous No.40970862 >>40970870 >>40970884
>>40970827
>>40970843
So did Fragkiska Megaloudi who lived and worked in the DPRK for far longer than you have and has mostly good things to say about them
https://greekreporter.com/2017/10/14/exclusive-the-greek-who-lived-in-north-korea-tells-her-story/
Anonymous No.40970870
>>40970862
I’m astounded.
Truly amazed.
You must simply go there.
But until you do, keep your mouth shut to the people that have.
Anonymous No.40970884
>>40970862
Also she was only in Pyongyang.
That’s like saying America is super advanced if you only stayed in Silicon Valley.
I worked in Nampo and visited the surrounding cities… it’s a shit hole.
NoBoDy !NoBoDyvcdE No.40970900 >>40970914
>>40965780 (OP)
If the solar panels are too efficient, the patents get taken for national security reasons. They are only allowed to go up to a certain percent.
Anonymous No.40970911 >>40970920 >>40970931 >>40970935
>>40970844
”Not supporting any government” is just supporting imperialism by proxy
Russia as far as I am concerned is fighting a defensive war against the Nazi regime in Kiev who violated the terms of the Minsk agreement, bombed the breakaway regions for over eight years, wanted to join NATO breaking the promise to expand no further east, killed Russian speakers and are seeking nuclear weapons. If Mexico were doing the same you bet America would have invaded much sooner and wouldn’t have used the kid gloves President Putin has been using.
Plus Russia saved Venezuela, defended Syria and supported the DPRK their on the side of global résistance.
>>40970857
He’s anarchist I wouldn’t trust what has to say if he said it was raining outside
Anonymous No.40970914
>>40970900
What’s the limit? Panels are nearing 50% efficiency and have gotten 2-4x more efficient over the last 40 years
Anonymous No.40970920 >>40970954
>>40970911
Well if you want to know the weather in Russia, he’d be a solid candidate to tell you the truth about his experience.
Just like I’m trying to be.
We laugh at North Korea and if it wasn’t for us they wouldn’t eat.
They’re only good for digging mines and making bullets and we’re better at both of those anyway.
Anonymous No.40970931 >>40970943
>>40970911
What does this have to do with solar panels dumbfuck?
Anonymous No.40970935 >>40970962 >>40978406
>>40970911
sometimes i find it hard to believe that you people are saying this shit unironically
Anonymous No.40970943 >>40970962
>>40970931
let me give you a quick rundown, DPRKfag here mentioned his favorite country and is now copying paragraphs from reddit. there's me, him, and diplomat man who worked in "best korea". have a seat.
Anonymous No.40970954 >>40970958
>>40970920
The DPRK hasn’t had a famine since the 90’s and India has a higher rate of starvation anyway
The DPRK isn’t trying to be better than anyone it’s trying to survive against imperialist blockade under conditions that would have destroyed any other country their fighting for the survival against the largest empire on the planet under even harder conditions than North Vietnam faced
The fact that they’ve survived says a lot for them
Anonymous No.40970958
ohhh see? >>40970954 here he goes again
Anonymous No.40970962 >>40971012
>>40970943
Reddit hates the DPRK and other anti-imperialist countries you retard the woke left are the biggest supporters of imperialism
>>40970935
It's funny that you talk just like a smug pompous reddit soiboy
Anonymous No.40971012 >>40971038
>>40970962
whatever, keep spewing your fucking nonsense. i think diplomat man went to bed so there's no reason to stay in this dead thread. i'm gonna go have a cig and take a shower (something you never fucking do) and if there aren't any new posts when i return i'll just go to bed.
Anonymous No.40971017
>>40968488
It's in one of the memes posted
Anonymous No.40971033 >>40971055 >>40971325
>>40968682
Converting energy is always wasteful. Your idea of lifting weights, for instance, will have you fighting air resistance in both directions, robbing you of energy.

It's about optimizing for being the least wasteful while also being robust enough to survive suboptimal conditions.
Anonymous No.40971038 >>40971046 >>40971199
>>40971012
>whatever, keep spewing your fucking nonsense.
Aka shut up peasant don’t question your betters
>i think diplomat man went to bed so there's no reason to stay in this dead thread.
Subversive NGO didn’t like having his claims questioned diplomats are a key tool in the western imperialism
>i'm gonna go have a cig and take a shower (something you never fucking do)
More pompous assertions and adhoc attacks based on stereotypes that only exist in your mind. I shower regularly for your information.
Anonymous No.40971046
>>40971038
https://www.academia.edu/1151694/NGOs_and_Imperialism
Anonymous No.40971055 >>40971375
>>40971033
The most efficient thing to do would be to ensure an entire planet’s worth of solar power is installed multiple times over across the entire world then just share power from the illuminated part to the rest all the time. Anything else is childish and unnecessary. This could easily be accomplished with three primary sites in the United States, Africa, and China.
Nuclear is based but solar panels produce effortless solid state energy for 20-30 years and continue to improve. Literally all they need is a few cleaners to wipe them down. Much better than the tons of staff and constant monitoring needed to maintain nuclear power. With solar we actually have the capability for a completely autonomous power network with minimal investment. What a miracle would that be?
Anonymous No.40971057 >>40971115
>>40967850
Most balanced take in this thread.
Solar is unlikely to be the final solution to power needs. But it can definitely bolster infrastructure on a local level for day to day needs. Stuff like homes with AC in summer or local grocery refrigeration.
However without advancements in manufacturing or power conversion efficiency then it will struggle to go beyond that. Not to mention the item of power storage or long distance transferral

Now whether you believe there are conspiracies suppressing those things is another matter. Like others have mentioned the ideal would be nuclear, but decades of scare campaigns have done terrible damage to public trust
Anonymous No.40971072
Who's stopping you from putting a solar panel in your backyard?
Anonymous No.40971085
>>40965780 (OP)
Denies the endogenic mechanism of the energy cycle, reaps the land to Terra-Form the world around privatized technologies
Anonymous No.40971115 >>40971140
>>40971057
You don’t need batteries just buy solar during the night from countries that have daylight
When it’s night in the Americas it’s day for the whole rest of the world
Nuclear is only ideal because we are being held hostage by obnoxious toddler leaders who want to measure dicks all day instead of collaborating to advance humanity
Anonymous No.40971122 >>40978415
Oligarchs hate everything and anything that increases cellular autonomy as oligarchs are rent-seeking parasites. Solar was pushed when it wasn’t practical, so they could suck gibs from the state, now that solar cell cost has fallen to the point it’s very practical, their tune changes and they seek to restrict access to cheap PVs in an effort to keep the wagie in the cagie
Anonymous No.40971136
Solar is bullshit to detract from free energy devices and harnessing the alchemist's purple fire
Anonymous No.40971140 >>40971216
>>40971115
>You don’t need batteries just buy solar during the night from countries that have daylight
And sacrifice your independence and self-reliance to depend on other countries for power what a great idea
>Nuclear is only ideal because we are being held hostage by obnoxious toddler leaders who want to measure dicks all day instead of collaborating to advance humanity
Research into nuclear power WILL advance humanity the power over the very building block of reality is the testament to mankind’s greatness and that’s not even getting into what can be down with fusion power.
Anonymous No.40971199 >>40971230
>>40971038
kill yourself. goodnight.
Anonymous No.40971216 >>40971310
>>40971140
>independence and self reliance
Is a childish illusion, like wanting your parents to stay out of your room
All of the nations have been interdependent for nearly 500 years now, we just have a polticial class that refuses to accept or acknowledge it
Current nuclear research is amazing, work on containing the fusion reaction with magnetic fields rather than within a heat resistant chamber seems very promising, quantum effects will likely lead to even more crazy ways to generate power
But nuclear is just as reliant on your neighbors to be cordial, look at Russian strikes on Ukrainian plants, suddenly nuclear is a huge liability! In a tactical sense a solar network is far superior because no one can control the sun and so if you cut off power to your neighbor at night they’ll just cut you off the next night
Anonymous No.40971226
>>40970780
Anarchism failed because State provided an essential function: being the trusted third party of money. However, thanks to Satoshi this no longer holds, money no longer needs a TTP and we shall see an increasingly anarchistic world as we advance into the AB (Anno Bitcoini) era
Anonymous No.40971230
>>40971199
>kill yourself. goodnight.
You first annarkiddy
Anonymous No.40971310 >>40971333
>>40971216
>we just have a polticial class that refuses to accept or acknowledge it
Bro, we’ve had a literal one world government since 1913 at the latest.

Why didn’t the USSR call bullshit on the moon landing hoax? Because USSR & USA were one and the same.

Why did hitler wage a suicidal air campaign against the uk, despite having no ability to invade and therefore no ability to defeat the uk (as the uk could be supplied indefinitely by the usa)? Same reason he launched a suicidal invasion of Russia. Hitler was in on it.
Anonymous No.40971325 >>40971382
>>40971033
>. Your idea of lifting weights, for instance, will have you fighting air resistance in both directions, robbing you of energy.
Please don't be retarded. Air resistance isn't even worth calculating in gravity batteries.
Anonymous No.40971333 >>40971933
>>40971310
Hitler was a dumbass who couldn’t take criticism
The USA would not have defeated themselves in Vietnam and the global hegemony is clearly struggling to arrest total control over the Asian regions
I do agree that the world wars and many major events have been orchestrated but I don’t think anyone who’s name is in the history books has ever actually pulled the strings
Anonymous No.40971350
>>40969629
yes, the inverse square law is somehow paranormal now.
Anonymous No.40971375 >>40972455
>>40971055
You want... to move... solar energy... across the fucking oceans?
JFC.
Anonymous No.40971382
>>40971325
I was using it as an example of how there are always losses, no matter what you do.
Anonymous No.40971687
>>40965780 (OP)
>Is there some kind of conspiracy against solar panels?
You are so much closer than you realize. Have you ever been complicit with anonymous materials, anon?
Anonymous No.40971933
>>40971333
Checked.
>Hitler was just dumb!
And Napoleon? Both committed essentially the same “errors” and both successfully subjugated their nations to the global oligarchy. Awfully convenient that the “enemies” of the global elite keep making the same “mistakes”
>nam
US didn’t defeat themselves in Vietnam, the point of war has always been to murder young men, but as information became easier to transfer the ability of the elite to manage the narrative has diminished. Had Vietnam happened in 1930 the oligarchy would have been able to murder millions instead of mere tens of thousands
Anonymous No.40972455 >>40972538
>>40971375
It’s called an undersea cable.
Anonymous No.40972538
>>40972455
The longer the distance, the more losses.
Also, high tension power lines under SALT WATER is a bad fucking idea even for short range.
Anonymous No.40974799
>>40967718
>eco-communism
fucking based. If I learned something from watching AoE streams, it's that you don't wanna be eco locked
Anonymous No.40974802 >>40978052 >>40978073
>>40968049
both USSR and east germany were far less degenerate than west or west germany
Anonymous No.40974831
>>40965882
Oil companies love them, because depending on shit like solar and wind power means you have to use fossil fuels to maintain baseload when the sun isn't shining or the wind isn't blowing.
They lock in fossil fuels into the system, letting these oil corps maintain their supremacy.
Nemo No.40974959
>>40968115
That has happened before. The solution is a big mirror, btw
Anonymous No.40974964
>>40965914
>Vampire world
>Vampire society
>Vampire economy
>Vampire relationships
hm...
Anonymous No.40974972
>>40965882
The only energy Big Oil truly hates is nuclear.
Anonymous No.40976129
>>40965780 (OP)
What the fuck?
Anonymous No.40976144 >>40979670
>>40965780 (OP)
theyre a scam and you never make the money back off of them if you actually do the required maintenance on them and batteries being cycled out.
Anonymous No.40976162 >>40976210
>>40965882

it's racist from a cosmological perspective solor panels can't wield energy from moonlight

we need the government to intervene
Anonymous No.40976210
>>40976162
>can't wield energy from moonlight
ngmi
Anonymous No.40976219
>>40965882
>cold fusion, zero point energy
lol, you won't need the others with those.
blame the DOE.
Anonymous No.40978052 >>40979522
>>40974802
Indeed
Anonymous No.40978073 >>40979522
>>40974802
Indeed
Anonymous No.40978365 >>40978613
>>40965780 (OP)
there are a lot of options for solar that never gained traction because they'd require some minor but consistent changes in behavior

you could cook meals with solar energy using only mirrors if you were able to organize it so you did most of your cooking around midday, and nowadays you wouldn't even have to do without on rainy days or at the wrong time of day because we can use electrical or gas ovens when the solar oven isn't available

but to do that we'd need to probably redesign the standard kitchen so you can do it in the same actual oven, and that would be $$$
Anonymous No.40978374
>>40967694
go to /pol/ with these shit tier arguments
and they can tell you that capitalism requires integrity of capital
and when your central banks are counterfeiting houses, you cannot have integrity of capital
Anonymous No.40978388 >>40978617
>>40970339
>Free energy means collapsed economies, which is not "freedom" moron.
shut the fuck up you goddamned retard
Anonymous No.40978403
>>40970769
go discuss the many benefits of anarchy on /pol/ and get told the myriad reasons why it simply cannot ever be a form of government
Anonymous No.40978406
>>40970935
>sometimes i find it hard to believe that you people disagree with the news unironically
Anonymous No.40978415
>>40971122
double checked for accuracy
Anonymous No.40978613
>>40978365
Some of us don't live at the equator, asshole
Anonymous No.40978617 >>40978653
>>40978388
>Hurrrr, if we have power to do things, that means we are DOOMED
He's a real bright one, lmao
Anonymous No.40978653
>>40978617
>if globohomo cant swindle everyone by charging ridiculously for shit we can get for free and making absolutely preposterous profits from it, it will collapse economies
certifiably retarded, lmao
Anonymous No.40979522
>>40978052
>>40978073
this anon understands
Anonymous No.40979545
>>40970339
>Free energy means collapsed economies, which is not "freedom" moron.
>getting what you want for free, instead of having to work to pay for it, and having your wages taxed so retards can give it to other retards, is bad
Kind of an out there take.
Anonymous No.40979670
>>40976144
That’s just the contracts from SolarCity and similar fucks. Buying your own system outright is an incredible bargain.
Anonymous No.40981804
>>40967850
Good take, anon.
Combined with the fact that oil isn't a "fossil fuel", it's a HydroCarbon produced by the planet.
>Fossil fuel is a meme created by Rockefellers, Standard Oil monopoly owners
>to sell oil and gasoline at a lot higher prices
Anonymous No.40981824 >>40983181
>>40967932
EROI is more or less correct, except.
1. Oil and gas are HydroCarbons that are 2nd largest liquid on the planet .
2. Nuclear is safer and is the real threat to oil monopolies
3. Aether exists, (Einstein lied)
And as Aether exists this means that we have unlimited energy around us.
Anonymous No.40983181
>>40981824
You aren't reinforcing the communist's worldview, though, which means you are clearly a BAD MAN stealing the Sun from him.