Thread 41061277

>if God why bad this happen
This still haven't been properly answered, only coping mechanisms thrown around left and right. And I'm not even talking about incidental bad, shit happens, big deal.
I'm talking about deliberate bad like being a quadruple amputee pranjeet in India levels of bad. That seems to serve no greater purpose towards God, unless things like karma and reincarnation is real. Otherwise how would quadruple amputee pranjeet is gonna find out about Jesus Christ and attain salvation? Or how is he gonna do the proper works, since faith alone doesn't matter all that much?
Unless solipsism is partially real and each our lives is specifically tailored for each one of us? But then again God rains over good and bad alike, and it's implied the final judgement happens to all of us collectively.

>>41061277 (OP)
Wasn't a problem for hellenes.

>>41061277 (OP)
You're making all sorts of false assumptions, that's why the "problem" stumps you.

>>41061277 (OP)
>old rapist pedos murderers thieves slavers etc. tell everyone how reality works for thousands of years
>everyone believes them
>why not make sense though?
Gee idk

>>41061277 (OP)
If you are an evil retard and you have children they are affected by your evil, which is explained in the very first book of the Bible if you'd bother to check. That's why. Pranjeet comes from a culture that's in a perpetual downward spiral as a result of centuries of demon worshipping and various other aggregious sins which none of them have deemed fit to rectify to any discernable extent. God considers death and suffering great gifts because the latter gives you an opportunity to hone yourself and the former gives you an exit from the latter. Indians keep taking the wrong lesson from suffering, which makes their suffering worse. Poverty mindset. It's why the poor stay poor. Complacency and a lack of desire to escape, they have adjusted to the proverbial smoke alarm beeping that is their existence. Eventually the effort that must be exerted to escape from the inherited sin is so great that most people don't even bother.

>>41061277 (OP)
This is a minecraft server god left running just to see what would happen. He's beyond good and evil, he just likes watching it all play out.

Torment causes suffering.
Suffering causes necessity.
Necessity causes growth.
Growth leads to less torment and eventual perfection of the human spirit.

You'd think you worthless monkeys could give God the benefit of the doubt, he knows what he's doing.

>>41061277 (OP)
I swear. God was like a sick joke given to society. The sick contrast of a all-love, all-loving, benevolent, friendly being is why hate life so much. Without this contrast, we wouldn’t suffer this much. I promise you that.

God might exist, but his true nature is being hidden (some spiritual reality) or our mental capabilities were downgraded intentionally (unable to understand God). This whole 3D thing with no 4D assistance is another sick joke in general

>>41061320
Why are religious men so gay and submissive? You're a straight man yet you give total authority and grace to "Daddy"? Get a grip faggot

>DADDY NEEDS TO MAKE ME SUFFER SO I CAN GROW!

God doesn't need to do anything. He decides the rules. God can decide that you will grow into perfection with 0% suffering/rape/genocide involved. He just WANTS you to suffer.

>>41061337
Logic.
If he's omniscient I can't possibly know better than him.
Your criticisms of God's methodology fall under the same banner.

>>41061337
He did but Adam chose differently. Everything guys like you say
>Why didn't God just make everything the way I intuitively feel it should be?
The answer is he did, that's what you were made for and why you feel that way. It was called the Garden of Eden and Adam blew it.

>>41061347
I disagree with this.
It implies God is stupider than some humans.
>I will leave these beings alone with Satan, I sure hope he doesn't tempt them while I'm away.
Also as an omnipresent being, him being away was an illusion you must understand that.
Basically, Adam didn't blow it, he did exactly what God wanted.
The fall was part of the design.

>>41061353
God expected us to be tempted and wanted us to choose correctly. We did not! Whoops. Take it up with Adam lol

>>41061353
>with Satan
No mention of Satan there BTW.

>>41061361
It's crazy how being exposed to you people makes me able to identify everything you believe exactly just from a statement as simple as
>Satan wasn't the serpent

>>41061287
What false assumptions? It's only by pure fucking chance that you and I even know about Jesus at all, because some people decided to write down whatever happened 2000 years ago around Jerusalem.
>it's not chance but God's plan
Yeah but God's plan is so convoluted and unknowable that it might as well just be cosmic spinning rock around a star plus evolution from primordial soup tier materialism, at which point why even bother trying to follow religions at all since obviously there doesn't seem to be a good or bad religion anyway? God rains over the good and the bad alike.
>so it's all intuition?
Seems like it

>>41061361
The Snake in Genesis is later revealed to be Satan. Kind of an iron age plot twist.

>>41061360
That still implies a retarded God who expected wrong.

>>41061368
No, that was a post-Christian invention based off the olde serpent passages in Revelation.

>>41061368
You think someone expecting better of you and you failing them makes THEM stupid? You forget that God knows men's hearts. Adam was perfectly capable of making the right decision. He chose not to.

>>41061368
These dudes don't take accountability for their fall from Divinity.

>>41061372
2 Timothy 3:16-17
Everything scriptural is canon and it's our job to square that circle to become perfect.

>>41061377
Yes, especially if he just made my brain yesterday and everything I ever saw.

>>41061372
He is described as the old serpent because he is the snake in the garden you dumbass. Just because he isn't directly called Satan in Genesis doesn't mean it isn't him. Satan has been identified as the serpent throughout all of Christian history. He is referred to directly as the serpent in the prophecy that states the son of man will be bitten by the serpent as he crushes his head. The bite being the crucifixion, the serpent being Satan and the curse of death he introduced into the world in the garden.

>>41061388
Dragons are serpents, you utter imbecile.

>>41061386
Well then that reaffirms my current belief about you, which is that you're stupid. God was stupid for knowing that Adam had the capacity to choose right and wrong, then presented him with an opportunity to choose right over wrong? This is sociopath thinking, it's the stores fault for not locking up the things you like to steal behind plexiglass. They're the idiots for trusting that their customers aren't retarded thieves, right?

>>41061377
Yeah
It's very stupid of me to expect decency out of anyone but I still give some people the benefit of the doubt. I'm failed in my expectations more than my expectations are fulfilled so I consider myself an utter fool to trust these fucks anymore, yet here I am

Touched by an Angel is one of my favorite shows. This is some amazing work by these angels.

>>41061402
That being said I still hope God is good and gives me the benefit of the doubt otherwise I'm fucked

>>41061398
No, you're stupid for thinking you know what God was thinking based on God feigning surprise for Adam's sake.

>>41061390
This is such a non sequitur cop-out that I felt my blood pressure rise when I read it. You are truly retarded. You knew that was a load of bullshit while you were typing it. Now I'm preparing myself for a disingenuous
>"AAAAAAW WHAT, NO REFUTATION????"
I do not have to explain to you why you're wrong. You know you are splitting hairs and making no point at all, just trying to find some way to disagree for your egos sake.

>>41061409
Are you retarded? Revelation talks about the dragon falling with 1/3 of the stars. What are you talking about, moron?

>>41061408
>You are not allowed to come to conclusions about scripture
>Only my insane and incorrect interpretation of scripture is allowed, and I have decided God is just stupid
Ok

>>41061414
I am utterly baffled by how unabashedly dishonest you are

>>41061277 (OP)
>Bad thing happen because God evil.
There.
The idea of a Creator is not intrinsically tied to Benevolence. He might as well be an uncaring asshole as far as we're concerned.
The idea that some higher being with the ability to fashion an entire Existence somehow cares (or is obligated to care) about starving children in Africa or kids being rape-killed by wealthy jews is completely asinine.

>>41061426
Where in the Tanakh does it say that Samael was the Serpent, dawg? Are you retarded? Jews don't even acknowledge the passage of Helel ben Shahar relating to anything in there.

>>41061423
Dude I'm saying you're wrong because you're saying God is stupid.
He'd have to be an idiot to think like you're saying.

>>41061429
I'm a Christian you fucking moron, now we're throwing away the entire new testament because it doesn't support your retarded idea? Fuck off, I'm done talking to you. You are a duplicitous piece of shit

>>41061342
>it's logical to be submissive and suck God's cock
Whatever floats your boat.

>>41061347
"BECAUSE SOME DUDE CALLED ADAM WHO GOD MADE AND GAVE THE CURIOSITY TO DO BAD THINGS WAS SEDUCED BY A GUY I MADE TO A LITTLE EVIL TRICKSTER NOW KIDS HAVE TO GET RAPED AND ANIMALS NEED TO DIE WHILE THEIR ORGANS SPILL OUT"

Roflmao :'-D

>>41061440
I'm the one that said it's a post Christian invention, moron. You argued otherwise, as if Helel ben Shahar meant Lucifer in 2nd Temple Judaism...

Are you retarded? Fuck Christianity and fuck you, idiot.

>>41061431
No, I'm not, and you know I'm not. In fact, I've stated the opposite multiple times, but you're trying to do this gay little trick where your own personal definition of stupidity, trust and charity, is the actual definition of stupidity, which is a lack of intelligence. This is your personal definition of stupidity because you're a terrible person. And genuinely stupid, as in the actual definition of the word.

>christians are anti-LGBT
>but most christian men worship God to a point of homosexual obsession and would let God fuck them in the ass if he decided so

>>41061443
>AND GAVE THE CURIOSITY TO DO BAD THINGS
That isn't what happened. Adam knew better. He wasn't innocently curious, he was promised power by Satan.
>>41061444
Kill yourself and go to hell where you belong you rat

>>41061455
>Adam knew better.
He actually didn't know better because he had no understanding of evil at all. He was innocent until he ate the apple.

God is just a complete troll.

>>41061455
Of course you threaten the Hell of your impotent God. Retard.

>>41061451
>Maybe this time it will work

>>41061460
You didn't deny it. Case in point.

If you God anally raped in this world (as it happens to millions of men throughout time) you'd accept it as God's noble way to grow you and test you.

>>41061277 (OP)
The extremely funny thing is that you let me know more about yourself with this philosophical question than you think. Only people who don't like playing their hand ask the pretentious suffering questions.
Also you always bring up the crippled ricefarmer, but never think about the poor crippled ricefarmer being poor and crippled because (you) - someone with access to a computer and participating in the global supply chain trade of food and consumable goods - passively gained from his suffering. If we did not live in a globalized world, he would just be healthy and hunting animals and not a poor and crippled victim. If you are really so sick of all the suffering this evil god puts you through with your pathetic everyday existance - why not end it? Just kill yourself. You would also do me a favor because I would not have to exert effort to make your low IQ brain gain some logic thinking skills.

>>41061468
>If we did not live in a globalized world, he would just be healthy and hunting animals and not a poor and crippled victim.

Man shut your bitch-ass up. We had cancer, cripples, genocide, child pedo rape and tons of more ""fun"" way before the globalized world. Billions of animals are eaten alive each year completely unrelated to what humans do too.

>>41061458
>He actually didn't know better because he had no understanding of evil at all.
This is cope. Adam knew better because God had instructed him otherwise. Adam was not an idiot. He understood that he wasn't supposed to do what he did. Instead of trusting God, he trusted Satan and payed the price.
>>41061459
You are terrified of it which is what all of this bitching and moaning is actually about at the end of the day. What if God isn't impotent, and you'll be held accountable for the horrible shit both of us know you do regularly and unapologetically? You don't want to go to hell, but you also don't want to stop, so therefore hell isn't real and God is impotent. Isn't that convenient.

>>41061466
You seem to have certain fixations

>>41061476
>Adam knew better because God had instructed him otherwise.
Adam did not know what evil was whatsoever.
It's like saying to you right now "Don't eat the apple it's HUBBABUBBA! Ok? You don't want HUBBABUBBA because it's HUBBABUBBA!"

You can not make an informed, educated and fair decision if you have 0 comprehension of what that word even means.

>>41061479
Not anymore than your God. Why did God put your G-spot in your ass, moid?
He didn't have to. But God wants you to be able to cum if another man fucks you in the ass, biologically speaking.

Pretty curious if you ask me.

>>41061471
Yes and never once the lion cried for brutalizing the antelope in this natural order. This natural order brought forth globalized society, winners and losers and even childraping politicians that run the infrastructure and you cry about it like a bitch. And you expect people to seriously engage in such a dumb logic?
The only reason you actually post is because you want to feel less alone in your suffering. The brutal truth is that you are alone and you need to stop suffering on your own. All I can do to assist is bully you for being a mentally stunted pussy until you get it and smarten up.

>>41061476
This dude has never read the Bible. Your "God" (Jesus) has to come down to Earth to fight the Devil and bind him, when the real Creator could defeat him with ease with just the snap of his fingers. Understand something, you reprobate. If you God could actually destroy the Devil, there would be no need to 'enact' or even believe in the Book of Revelation (Which I know you didn't read).

>>41061485
You know that child rape is natural too, you fucking retard? And don't get me wrong here NATURAL does not mean good. It's abhorrent.

Animals rape/hump their young or infantile.
Our ancestors diddled kids.

Can you tell me why God made it BIOLOGICALLY POSSIBLE that old men can fuck their own little daughters and get them pregnant but he made it BIOLOGICALLY IMPOSSIBLE for us humans to breathe underwater or regrow limbs? Why is God such a sick fucking pedo-nigger?

>>41061480
Adam knew what death was you fucking idiot. He understood the concept of the cessation of his existence. Death was not on him until he ate the apple.
>>41061484
You seem to have certain explicit fixations

>>41061491
>You seem to have certain explicit fixations

Why did your God allow millions of men to get anally raped?
Why did your God put the male G-spot in your ass?
Why is your God so fixated and enables gay rape and gay anal sex biologically?

>>41061487
God already defeated Satan you fucking idiot. Humanity still chose against God, and are fallen. He also defeated us, which is why we are currently in the state we're in. However, we are redeemed through the blood of Christ. Satan is not. There is no Jesus coming to die for his sins and make him eligible to dwell amongst God again. The world as it is now, in it's fallen state, is our little hell. And we are under the thumb of its ruler, Satan.

>>41061491
Can you explain to us how Adam knew what Death was and what Evil is?
How was Adam able to make a fully educated and comprehensive decision?

>>41061490
You are just trying to get me to engage in your crippled logic. See my first comment: You are dealt a hand in a world where the grandpa can diddle the daughter but you can't breathe underwater(yet), but you refuse to play it because what fun is playing a hard and unfair game? You would rather be a pussy playing on godmode, never even encountering anything that deserves the word 'challenging'.
And now you expect me to respect that and even engage in your loser mindset logic to share your 'suffering'? LMAO
If you want to quit, just quit. Kill yourself now.

>>41061494
>Christians are so gay
>Paragraphs and paragraphs ranting about gay sex
Sure

>>41061502
>talks aggressively like a demon
>tells people to kill themselves
>generally rude and seething

So why do you act like a demon faggot while invoking the name of Christ who said to treat people with kindness? You faggots don't even give a fuck about your book or rules, you just want to feel special and correct.

>>41061510
Still not an explanation as to why God put it into your ass and allows it to happen to millions of men. Cat got your tongue, coping retard?

>>41061502
The Creator doesn't need to defeat "Satan." Because The Creator can just laugh him into being powerless, that's how pointless it would be to create the Christian Hell. The only reason it's even a thing is for a trap of thinking people going there is funny or deserved.

>>41061505
>You would rather be a pussy playing on godmode, never even encountering anything that deserves the word 'challenging'.

So God is a pussy then because he started in Godmode and no one is raping him? Wow, this is so powerful and so true.

>If you want to quit, just quit. Kill yourself now.

You still didn't answer why God made it biologically possible for fathers to rape/impregnate their own little children!

>>41061503
>How did Adam know what death was?
Because the ability to entertain a thought is not the same thing as participating in a behavior. God is all good, and demonstrably also understands the concept of death. However, he never does. Funny that. Adam did not know evil as we know it, but understood that God was good. He brought evil onto himself when he disobeyed God.

>>41061518
Wrong assumptions make it impossible to even teach you anything. You can just ask God these things directly. But you are too lazy and too busy whining about your existence.

>>41061512
>No refutation, just kvetching about how mean I am
Would you shut the fuck up already you stupid faggot
>>41061514
You have certain fixations
>>41061517
He already did you idiot. Pay attention. By defeat, do you mean totally annihilate? God doesn't do that. It's a violation of free will.

>>41061520
Nope.

Knowing what "death" is requires prior experience or revelation, which Adam had neither before the fall. Just hearing the word and being told it's not good isn't actual knowledge or experience. God's knowledge of death is different because God is all-knowing, while Adam was not.

Also... Adam was deceived, which means he could not have fully understood the consequences and saying Adam "understood the cessation of his existence" is not supported by scripture.

>>41061520
>*However, he never dies
Autocorrect

>>41061530
>You have certain fixations

So you like your God who put all of the gay shit into reality first? Meaning you as a man submissively worship "Daddy" who put the g-spot in your ass and you have 0 explanations besides y-you have fixations!

:^)

>>41061522
I did ask God and God said he did it because he likes to troll and fuck with people. God could have made it biologically impossible for fathers to impregnate 10 year old girls but he wanted it for some sick reason.

>>41061530
>No refutation
I literally pointed out how you go against your own faith/book by behaving against the words of Jesus so you are by default a hypocrite nigger who doesn't actually trust his own bible.

>>41061530
>He already did you idiot
When I say The Creator, I don't mean Jesus or YHWH, that's your bias, not mine. I can tell you've never read Revelation because Jesus puts Satan in the Christian Hell, you moron. Hence he hasn't defeated him. Do you really think adopting Gnostic ideas is gonna help me relate to this nonsense? You don't even believe the fucking book yourself.

>>41061531
>Knowing what "death" is requires prior experience or revelation,
According to who? You? You can't intuit that you could stop existing someday based on the fact that you presently exist?
>Adam was deceived, which means he could not have fully understood the consequences
Yeah, I know you fucking idiot. Which is why he didn't immediately get his ass booted into hell and there is a human race. He wasn't culpable in the same way Satan was when he rebelled. His punishment was relatively minor because of it. I say relatively, and by that I of course mean that he isn't trapped in a raging inferno for all of eternity like Satan is.

>>41061544
>According to who? You? You can't intuit that you could stop existing someday based on the fact that you presently exist?


The bible said Adam was innocent and that he (or Eve) were deceived. This logically means that both were in a position in which they couldn't have made a smart, educated decision. They were more like children exposed to super-old, extremey clever and dangerous predator (Satan) that God unleashed on them.

how insane and cucked are christniggers that they will literally argue animals and kids being brutalized/raped is ok and makes sense because some dude called adam 1000000+ years ago ate an apple

HAHAHAHAH

>>41061550
They literally have brains stuck in desert savagery logic.

>>41061533
>Gay cocksucking poop butthole
Cool anon
>>41061537
Jesus literally told people to kill themselves. Millstone around the neck. Btw kill yourself
>>41061540
God shut up. We are talking about Christianity, you are choosing to talk to me about specifically Christianity. I don't care about the great spirit in the sky or Vishnu or Yoda or whatever fucking demon you worship. Do not talk to me about the metaphysics of Christianity and then try to swerve the discussion into
>Well MY god...!
I don't care about your fucking God you idiot. That isn't what we're talking about.

>>41061555
>Gay cocksucking poop butthole

Why is your God obsessed with gay sex and allows millions of men and boys to get raped and have their g-spot in the ass?

You have a lot to say but when this topic comes up you can't argue, only evade or deflect like a low IQ tard. Curious!

>>41061555
>Jesus literally told people to kill themselves. Millstone around the neck. Btw kill yourself

Ohhh cool, so you confirm that the bible is a complete mess of contradictions then and is just fan-fiction for low IQ slaves.

"Treat others the same way you want them to treat you" (Luke 6:31)
"Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you" (Ephesians 4:32)
"But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. To one who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also, and from one who takes away your cloak do not withhold your tunic either. Give to everyone who begs from you, and from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back. And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them." Luke 6:27-31 (ESV)

>>41061546
>This logically means that both were in a position in which they couldn't have made a smart,
No, it logically doesn't. Innocence has nothing to do with intelligence.
>They were more like children exposed to super-old, extremey clever and dangerous predator (Satan) that God unleashed on them.
No, they were full grown adults that God tasked with running the entire fucking planet.

>>41061277 (OP)
Because God or Gods cannot be present with mortals all the time. So, unfortunately, some bad things just happen. Just as our abilities in astral realm or spiritual world, however you wanna call it, are kinda limited, so are theirs in the material world.
That's my explanations. But when they can help, they do.

>>41061555
Fuck Christianity, you moron. You literally just adopted Gnostic beliefs to make it seem like you knew what the fuck it is you were even talking about, that much is apparent to anyone that can see. Why'd you do that if you don't want to talk about "MY God..." You fucking idiot. I talked about both. I'd honestly say watch how you talk about The Creator, but I want him to BTFO you for a whole week til you're so frustrated you ask if you have bad luck. Because it would be fucking funny. It's already funny to see how stupid you are as well, but what I just proposed would be even funnier. Suck a dick, queero faggot.

>>41061566
>No, it logically doesn't. Innocence has nothing to do with intelligence.

Innocence absolutely affects decision-making, because innocence means lacking knowledge of good and evil, which is exactly what Genesis says Adam and Eve did not have before the fall. Intelligence is not the same thing as moral awareness. A person can be highly intelligent yet still naive or uninformed about consequences if they lack the necessary experience or moral knowledge. Adam and Eve's innocence meant they did not understand evil or death in the way we do, so while they had the capacity to think, they could not make a fully informed moral decision.

>No, they were full grown adults that God tasked with running the entire fucking planet.

They were literal toddlers compared to God and Satan in terms of knowledge, age and experience. Dumb fuck.

That is why their disobedience came through deception... because without the knowledge of good and evil, their choice was not made with full comprehension of its implications.

>>41061572
>but I want him to BTFO you for a whole week til you're so frustrated you ask if you have bad luck
He's a slave and will suck "Daddy God" off til the end of time. Did you not see how he or other anons argue that suffering is great because it's just the way God helps you grow? These people can literally get ASSRAPED by life (or people, literally) and still praise God for it.

>>41061589
hehehee

>>41061589
He's gonna say you makin' shit gay.

>>41061596
Right? Yet there's literally no one more pedophile and homosexual than God in the whole universe. He created all of this and designed it to be exactly this way. If he's omnipotent as christfaggots believe than nothing "had" to be like this, it just is because he wants it to be.

>God designing nature: hMMM yes I think incest pedophile should be biologically possible... but not regrowing a limb or breathing underwater... very good, very good....

>>41061603
You're making some excellent points here. The Chief of this Universe seems to be a huge troll.

>>41061367
>What false assumptions?
The main one is your assumption that anything in this world is real. It's not. Nothing that can die is real. True life is eternal life.

>It's only by pure fucking chance that you and I even know about Jesus at all, because some people decided to write down whatever happened 2000 years ago around Jerusalem.
There's another false assumption, based again on the fundamental falsehood that the external world of appearance is not illusory.

>>41061365
Satan wasn't the serpent.

>>41061589
not even a christcuck, but by the things i have read itt i can conclude that you are a deranged hole that shlicks to yaoi non-stop, not healthy
yuck

>>41061429
>Jews don't even acknowledge
I don't care, but nice appeal to authority, faggot

>>41061703
What? You retard. We were arguing about whether The Serpent in the Garden being Satan was post Christian or not. What the fuck are you even saying right now?

>>41061678
I do like yaoi and I'm female, so I don't even have a g-spot in my ass. But I like consensual yaoi or fictional yaoi.
Meanwhile the christian God enforces this shit on innocent beings everywhere so he is really the sick gay-rapist fuck.