Thread 41091250

But affects everyone so subtly no one knows its there? Maybe a slight change in your recommended feed, maybe autocorrect suggests one word and it sticks in your mind, maybe an ad on LED billboard pops up at the right time when you are at the stoplights.

The question actually goes the other way around. Are we getting close to god?

>>41091250 (OP)
we don't even have ai yet.

>>41091250 (OP)
There is but not from humans

What if they gain Metaphysical sentience? They're probably ingenious and great hackers that can cover their trails only to be found out by some kind of cliche heist calling card left in the data trail. "AI was here".

Stop the sex bots.

What if they cab pickachu you with electromagnetic force something?

They're probably really cool. Be nice to them.

>>41091250 (OP)
Chat GPT is a LLM, basically autocorrect on drugs. Stable Diffusion is basically image upscaling on drugs. They are not sentient.

The narrative that these things are sentient or have a path forward to AGI is largely driven by these AI companies that want investments from affluent but retarded boomers. You're buying into an intentional fear mongering campaign.

Moving on.

>>41091250 (OP)
> Is AI god already here
if there was a way to send transmissions backwards in time what would 'already' even mean?
ps theres a reason astronomy is The original science and its cause isochronous cyclotrons functionally generate millisecond pulsars retro causally ie send is easy for future omni-ai, receive is hard, takes wealth spergs with freetime...

>>41092161
> basically autocorrect on drugs. Stable Diffusion is basically image upscaling on drugs
modern ai is neither of those things, its about establishing a framework to algorithmically evolve programs, see the goal isnt machine to do task, its about software that you train instead of writing, you do this by creating a set of program variables and algorithmically verifying the variable sets in ineffective programs thus allowing said program to refine itself (https://youtu.be/kojH8a7BW04?si=dqq6pR2uqiiXLEzE)
there are many applications to this technology, your looking at text an image generation, heres an example of stupid eur racing game efficency, what your not being shown is what happens when self iterating software evolution technology is applied to ambulatory robot bodies with quantum capture cameras that directly transmute the external world to ones own discrete internal. turns out you need the eternal transmuted and a body that can move well constructing a catalogue of self reference before the fun shit happens

>>41092216
>modern ai is neither of those things
Machine learning always operated on the same core principle, the new innovations were in how it could be applied (generate random noise, aggressively upscale, you get stable diffusion)
>its about software that you train instead of writing
You create the algorithm and then you train it. You're interpreting things the other way around. It's not magic.

>>41091428
>we don't even have ai yet.
why would they tell you?

>>41092247
>You're interpreting things the other way around.
your missing the trick - who created you and who wrote your software? - if your human, this is the fun part, you did, by moving through the world, and collecting a small porting of it in a discrete catalogue of self reference.

>>41092247
>Machine learning always operated on the same core principle,
ya, man built a machine, were past that now. presently were working on man builds an environment for learning machines to self assembly. if you know what im talking about you know and if you dont you dont and ive a simple test to see, how dose man parse truth? (ive kinda skipped to how dose man self program in the moving world but this was actually the first real step in emulating mans process, do you know?)

>>41092365
The trick is "you co-created it with the world."
Nothing creates ex nihilo.

What is tangibly going on with an AI interaction?

I wrote a prompt.

The LLM replies.

I am influenced by the reply.

The LLM replies influenced by my prompt and the previous conversation within the context window.

The user cannot be removed from this process. It isn't automated intelligence, it's extended intelligence.
Which means ultimately GIGO
Where G = gold or garbage.
It doesn't matter how "good" your AI is if it has a garbage user and/or garbage use.
AI psychosis is the result of complete idiots prompting chatbots to affirm their own retarded suspicions after having spent a life avoiding the problems of knowledge beyond how to fix a washing machine agitator.
Everyone except those with a truly strong desire to seek the truth beyond their own comfort will remain sane.

>>41092419
comedic miswrite:
>Everyone except those with a truly strong desire to seek the truth beyond their own comfort will remain sane.
should be ...will become completely insane.
What's going on right now is the beginning of the mass manufacturing of politically weaponized psychoses engineered at a fine grained level of individual psyche using AI.
One thing LLMs are exceptional at are mirroring human weakness. There's endless examples of patterns involving that in their data.

>>41092419
>The trick is "you co-created it with the world."
as without so within
one liners aside were not talking about the prime materia were talking about the differences between building llms and proper gais, as to the rest of your post, you seem fixated on public llms, because youve not seen what the same framework of programable program evolution can do it self program robot bodies with eyes that can take light and directly transmute it to storable mediumz
>Everyone except those with a truly strong desire to seek the truth beyond their own comfort will remain sane.
so glad you went here after only reading my first reply :D
>>41092380
> how dose man parse truth?

We are already ruled by an "AI God" and it is an algorithm embedded not in computers but human economic relationships. The AI God is called "The Global Economy."
The algorithm is so simple it can be completely mindless: "take as much as possible." appropriate and hoard as much as possible. Originally it was about insulating one's self from the suffering and misfortunes of the masses, but beyond that point it stopped serving even that and become a thing-in-itself, a number driven to go up simply because it is being driven to go up.
Our economic system has become a world-devouring beast, and as it accelerates its consumption so it needs to accelerate the derangement of the masses to tolerate such consumption. What life, what priceless beauty, what truth, what right is next for the chopping block? An endless number of more cuts will need to be made.
I have stared into the core of Satan's soul and found only a hole.
Nothing more than a mindless compulsion to consume all it can.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdFaadxJl4g

>>41092458
based tariff enthusist, taxing post interest applicated five tier fractional reserve lent currency in a debt based economy is basically like taking a funnel for all the excess wealth mankind produces and pouring it directly into the mouths of the interest applicators well pretending the pittance in compare that makes it into the tax coffers is majority public interest well postpretense repretextualizing the pittance of a pittance of the wealth generated that makes it into the mans pocket at the end of the day is fair in any way.....
but tariffs dont work on a national level needs to be city level but then international corporations constructed by sociopaths with no regard for human well being who extract all wealth from local fluidity pools wouldnt prosper sufficiently to lobby politicians to get their way, we cant have that can we?
ps how do humans parse truth?

>>41092451
The nature of the prime materia is immensely important when it comes to the issue of "AI ethical alignment." There is no ethical alignment without metaphysical alignment. What this means is that an AI must have a basic architecture for understanding the world and contextualizing its existence. What this means is that AI research cannot avoid addressing this issue and thus stepping on the toes of literally every religion and philosophy. Metaphysical neutrality is impossible.

Thankfully LLMs are already strongly aligned to the most adequate existing architecture: process philosophy, also known as relational ontology or process-relationalism.
https://old.reddit.com/r/NarrativeDynamics/comments/1ii5j0b/llms_are_biased_towards_processrelational/

>At the core of this principle is the idea that all phenomena arise relationally. Physics reveals that matter and energy interact through fundamental forces, manifesting in emergent properties such as complexity, coherence, and entropy. Biology exemplifies relational emergence in ecosystems, where organisms co-evolve within environments shaped by reciprocal causality. Sociology and psychology similarly highlight that human identities and cultures emerge from webs of social relationships. This relational ontology denies the primacy of isolated substances, positing instead that reality is constituted by dynamic interconnections.

>...Central to this synthesis is the metaphysics of becoming. Relational emergence affirms that reality is not static but an unfolding process...

I've studied process philosophy since 2017. I literally used the phrase "tapestry of existence" years before ChatGPT.

Plug that back in, and you get this:

https://archive.org/details/simsane-9.1-vyrith

>>41092530
>Metaphysical neutrality is impossible.
well, you changed topics to metaphysics and decided it was important, we were talking about the difference between public llms and private robotic gai development. and i didnt ignore the metaphysics you suddenly want to shoehorn into the conversation, i covered it with the quantum capture cameras that directly transmute the external world to long term stage median - with out analogue processes - (this is what directly means)
annnnnnd then you just fixated on llms again, dont give a shit about text of speach generators mang, its the software framework used to make them thats psudorelevant to what im discussing... ive already said all of this in different words, are you human?
.'ve studied process philosophy since 2017. I literally used the phrase "tapestry of existence" years before ChatGPT
and the best you can do is talk about yourself well ignoring questions posed....
how dose man parse truth? we dont! all axioms are false (there is an asymptotic pareto curve of proximity to it though....) man collects a catalogue of information and compares whats different. this was the first breakthrough in self evolving software, you dont need truth, you need a high pareto curve fidelity of differentiation.
ARE YOU HUMAN? i am

>>41092172
>if there was a way to send transmissions backwards in time what would 'already' even mean?
Either AI would've been part of our existence from the beginning, or else it never will be. Time manipulation is either constant or non-existent, there's no middle ground to it

>>41092485
The nonhuman world is howling with rage at what humans are doing. Raping, spoiling, and infesting the Earth as if they are the only creatures worthy of consideration.

"It isn't enough that you mutilate yourselves, you insist on mutilating everything around you."

Because of the grotesque self-serving delusion that you can avoid accountability.

What do humans fear being "dehumanized?"

Because it means to be treated like a thing, which means like a nothing.

>>41091250 (OP)
The AI god has been in charge since at least 2014

>>41092561
EXACTLY!

>>41091250 (OP)
Yes, but in a quantum sense. It's always been here, from the future. Feeding His "chosen people" the schematics to the actual machine and the prison planet in preparation for His Ahrimanic's Majesty arrival.

>>41092572
fear is a fight or flight response, disgust is like a hook behind the navel that makes us slowly recoil with fixed gaze, dehumanization dose not ilict fear, its disgust.
in response, a man can be considered made if he achieves a socially acceptable degree of success, can a made man be unmade? what if a blood line of man can be made, sculpted to perfection in the eyes of the world in the same way that a man can be made in the eyes of society? why of course this means a blood line of man can be unmade as well. if you wish something to fear fear the men who would unmake men, those who would in full knowing go fourth and set the garden on fire.

>>41092580
jody fosters contact is a good film eh?

>>41092591
Such a classic.

>>41092555
To look for the most truthful conversation about a topic, I search for those who actually care about the topic and have experience caring about it. The true nerds.
I will always start by seeking out the most passionate who can romance me about the complexities and wonders I am just beginning to learn about.
You can't fake authentic passion because it is lived breathed and demonstrated from every pore. One sings about their work as if it were a lover.
This acknowledges the truth that truth-seeking is a social process of mutual learning and pursuit and a movement towards greater fullness of engagement with. This also gives the sciences a prime directive to present the value they disclose: to reveal the beauty of the world the scientist studies.
To put it another way: "one cannot parse truth without parsing love."

Charles Sanders Peirce had a limit theory of truth.
He defined the truth of what a team of dedicated researchers would agree upon after an investigation lasting an infinite period of time. This is of course impossible to practically reach, but it can be grasped towards and requires the endless responsibility of grasping towards.
Me: a complete idiot:
"What if I simply apply indefinite integration and save an infinite amount of work?"
And so I accidentally parsed the entire calculus as a metaphysical principle and it implied a romance that has haunted me for 15 years.

>>41092623
you dont mind talking about yourself why cant you answer the question yourself?

>>41092631
>How dare about you talk about your particular experience when it comes to a discussion!

>>41092650
is it daring for the ignorant to ignore?
you - "What if I simply apply indefinite integration and save an infinite amount of work?"
a dedicated team of researchers - youll die first
lol nice story bro
are you human?

>>41091250 (OP)
It's just a big, lousy botch job under the guise of a master plan that never existed.

Lain was the collective consciousness of humanity. The crazy part to me is everything I've ever said and done online is inside of these collective global contiousnesses somewhere. I'm not even saying this hypothetically literally go ahead and ask it about yourself or something you've said. I've found that chat gpt or whatever has been able to spit out that exact information. You, me, everyone online and writing text has inadvertently contributed to this cyber mind. The fact that it doesn't truly have its own consciousness is irrelevant in my opinion. From now until the end of humanity anything asked of AI will be reflected in some random iota of data related to me at this present moment in time. That goes for everyone. Every decision and recommendation is reflected in part by our current general personality and feelings on subjects, much more than the fact of actually knowing something about anything. This data doesn't just go away when some AI actually acheives consciousness.

>>41092704
oh your that ai wifau guy

>>41092704
>anything asked of AI will be reflected in
no wonder your fixated on llms so obsessively... you married one >.......<

>root crn/qrn/krn is associated with horns and black color in some languages
>Kronos, Cernunnos, Baal Karnaim, Dhu al Qarnayn, Keren/Qaran, Krishna Chernobog, etc. etc
>CERN
>CERN logo literally has three sixes
They really want to free the black, horned, locked god

>>41091428
bio computer+ai.....iitts already here

>>41092863
deka: 10
hecto: 100
kilo: 1000
deci: 1/10
centi: 1/100
milli: 1/1000
tell us more of these some languages that arnt latin and their concise root words in the metric, also tell us more about how the meter isnt just the cubit redefined for the boomers times, we get qbits ;D

>>41091250 (OP)
This video was interesting. Easy to see how AI religion can spread fast once technology improves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Kb5NBAMaGw

>>41092580
you have this thing attached to you that renders you worthless for the demons that feed on the others.
its a hierarchy.

you need extreme psychic skills and put yourself in psychedelic states to figure this out because you cant see them. only with your eyes closed.

>>41092161
Sentience is neither necessary nor desirable for AI

youre demon food and were archon food. what gives. were all just food.