Thread 41101884

>What is TRE?
TRE stands for Trauma/Tension Releasing Exercises, a somatic trauma therapy system created by David Berceli.

>How do I perform TRE?
Official tutorial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeUioDuJjFI
More interesting demo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbbaFTTvxU0
More demos can be found on YouTube.

>Why should I do TRE?
Releasing tension from your body has tons of physical and mental health benefits. The technique has very strong effects on the nervous system which every human should experience for themselves.

>What does this have to do with /x?
The underlying mechanisms that are triggered in this technique are the same ones used for "opening the channels" in Qigong, or "purifying the nadis" in Yoga. Purifying the nervous system is the gateway to any proper spiritual practice.

WARNING:
If you are heavily traumatized or schizo, limit your session time to a maximum of 10 minutes when starting out. Normal people can start with 20-30 minutes. This is a real and extremely strong technique. Beginners should rest for 48 hours between sessions.

>>41101884 (OP)
Welcome back bro.
I’m glad you’re still around

you have to lay in a a fetal position, vibrate/shake gently and cry. it's how kids do it

>>41101895
It's my first time posting this here.
I think this board needs more threads about spiritual practices.
I would like to hear some TRE opinions and experiences.

>>41101944
Crying definitely brings a good release. But many people cannot cry even when they want to.
I think the TRE method is perfect to release tension whenever you want to, and it can also release deep blockages that you are not even aware of.

ive always seen these threads for the past few years and wanted to try it but never did. i just followed along with the tutorial and was definitely getting some involuntary tremors. especially in exercise 4 when i leaned the left side my leg was really shaking. i actually feel pretty good and i just did it very short and condensed as they changed in the video. will repeat.

>>41101884 (OP)
Based. I've been doing them for about 5 months and they are helping me tremendously.

They might help you awaken your Kundalini if you're into that shit.

Highly recommend to anybody, but especially high strung, anxious and or people with PTSD.

They're also helpful for spiritual awaking.

>>41102201
Because you have to follow the instructions. Once you do that it's guaranteed that you'll trigger spontaneous tremoring.

>>41102297
why would shaking help you?

>>41102201
The key to TRE lies in the „floor sequence“ shown in the official video. Lying on the floor with the feet in the butterfly position, slowly raise your knees up by 2-3 inches. Hold the position without forcing for 1-2 minutes, let any muscle twitches that come up happen. Raise the knees a bit more, hold some more, repeat. You should get tremors in the legs. As the tremors get stronger, you can open up the feet and put them flat on the floor.

If you react like the guy in this video, you know you got it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OR89DJDsJE8

Experienced TRE practitioners can skip exercises 1-6 and do the floor sequence only. Pic related.

>>41102297
Nice to hear. TRE has also helped me a lot. I remembered many traumatic events from my childhood and could finally let them go. My constant nervousness, anxiety has decreased as a result.

As blockages dissolve, other spiritual techniques like meditation or breathwork will start to work… TRE is the key. It is no coincidence that every true spiritual path begins with purification of the self.

>>41101945
We used to have an anon on here who posted TRE exercises on fit and a few other boards.
I greatly appreciated their dedication in helping others.
If that’s not you, then you’re walking the path of other great people.

anyone else get a huge boner after? Or am I just a tantra god?

>>41102390
This is not normal shaking. If you just consciously shake your body, it will have no benefit at all.

The key to understanding TRE lies in the stress response of mammals. Pic related. As people undergo extremely stressful events, especially in childhood, they just freeze up and dissociate. Imagine a kid getting brutally bullied at school, or abused by parents. They will just stare at the floor and shut up. This is a natural defense mechanism in face of extreme danger. If the kid is not allowed to express itself and recover, they will stay in a semi frozen state forever, resulting in depression, uncoordinated/stiff body movements, autistic social traits… To some degree, this traumatization happens to everyone. But some people carry more trauma than others.

What many people don’t know is that there exists a counter mechanism to this freezing up, which can return you to the original untraumatized state. It is the neurogenic tremor reflex. Animals do it all the time in the wild, watch this video of an impala freezing and recovering.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-QgglTik6G4&pp=ygUOaW1wYWxhIHNoYWtpbmc%3D

Humans have forgotten that this reflex exists (or subconsciously suppress it) but as mammals, we still have it encoded in our DNA. TRE simply activates the neurogenic tremor reflex, which allows the nervous system to finally recover. The tremor happens completely automatic.

>>41102628
Might be a reaction to pelvic floor tension release, or improved flow of sexual energy.

I also got strong boners while practicing for some time. The quality of my orgasms has improved as I progressed with releasing blockages, the orgasms started spreading over my whole body instead of just being in the dick if this makes any sense.

>>41102468
Not me. But some kind person took the time to teach me TRE over the internet, and now I want to give something back.

>>41101884 (OP)
These always make my body move like im undergoing an exorcism.

>>41102700
That means you are doing it correctly, keep it up. Did you experience any benefits yet?

>>41102729
Ummm it got a bit intense...if I'm being honest I was trying to do it way too much probably. If I did have benefits, I didn't notice them because I was probably overloading my nervous system at the time. (I was doing it every day multiple times a day for a week).
It was really weird. I have alot of sexual trauma from the phone/internet (AND irl). So whenever I was near the phone during it, my body would convulse. Alot of hip thrusts. If I tried placing the phone on my chest a couple times, I would sometimes scream "NO! NO! NO!" and my body would slap it off. No was a HUGE word I yelled alot. Lots of moaning (in a weird scared animal kind of way).
I felt a bit more embodied I guess. Had a few traumatic memories resurface... one of my aunts apparently raped me when I was a baby.
If I keep up with it I'm sure it'll help more, but it's so tiring. By the end of a session I am completely sweating and sometimes bruised.

>>41102663
>my whole body instead of just being in the dick if this makes any sense.
yes i was feeling a mild orgasmic sensation in my pelic region, belly and even in my arms and legs a bit. desu its pretty crazy, it sounds crazy but im dead serious. i didnt cum or anything. when i pulled up a TRE post on reddit, the first response from a mod was saying something about "we know the human nervous system is able to be in a pleasure/orgasmic state nonstop" i genuinely believe that now

>>41102773
I‘m sorry that these horrible things happened to you.

It sounds to me like you were overdoing it. As a rule of thumb, I would recommend TRE for 20 minutes 2x per week for beginners. If stuff comes up, that means it‘s working, but you need to take breaks to integrate emotions and memories that come up. If a session is getting uncomfortable, just stop. Take things at your own pace, it should feel like you are letting go of baggage and it should be comfortable.

>>41102858
Much appreciated.
>It sounds to me like you were overdoing it. As a rule of thumb, I would recommend TRE for 20 minutes 2x per week for beginners.
Yeah..I was trying to do it every day (sometimes twice), I have all this trauma and my reactions to the trauma traumatizes me more. So I wanted to get rid of it all at once.
>If stuff comes up, that means it‘s working, but you need to take breaks to integrate emotions and memories that come up.
Yeah, it's just hard. I want it to be gone NOW, but I know that's not realistic.
I'm also not great yet at dealing with or integrating emotions. I think maybe I should try meditating after a TRE session?
>If a session is getting uncomfortable, just stop. Take things at your own pace, it should feel like you are letting go of baggage and it should be comfortable.
Honestly, my body is in such a state of terror or shock almost all the time that I don't have a good litmus for when I feel comfortable.
The trauma is real deep in my body. When I was doing it, it felt like ALOT but it also felt good in a way? I would freak out, but I didn't perceive this as a bad thing at the time. Again, this is probably because my response to trauma and stress is abnormal. Hard to tell when I'm comfortable or if I'm just letting go.
I'm really hesitant, but I know that's me wanting to stay stuck. I'll do TRE again at the reccommended pace this time. I'm planning to start today.

>>41102906
I wish you good luck on your journey.

In the TRE community, there is somewhat of a consensus that about 1-2% of the total traumatic load can be released per MONTH of practice. This means that it takes 4-8 years for someone to be mostly trauma free. So expect to be in this for a long time, although great improvement can already be achieved in 1-2 years.

>>41102997
Shit its quotes like that which made me want to speedrun it.
Oh well, I guess it makes sense. I'm gonna hop off now and go TRE. I'll let y'all know how it goes after. I'll do the same thing tomorrow and next week, etc.
Wonder if we could introduce something like that in the thread..? People sharing their experiences I mean.

>>41102854
As you keep practicing TRE, you will experience more of these sensations. Personally, I believe that this is a sign of qi/prana moving in the meridians/nadis of the energetic body, the blockages are clearing up and the energy flows freely.

>>41103012
If you practice today, don‘t practice tomorrow. Take 48h of rest minimum, take a walk, play some vidya, sleep extra, whatever. Just no more TRE.

I would be very happy to see people sharing their experience here.

>>41101884 (OP)
Heard about this a while ago
Will this help me to stop being a loser?

>>41103300
unironically yes

I just did this on the bathroom floor at work. My legs vibrated a lot. Is that normal and what should I do

Does this thing actually work, or is it just a procedure to make it so demons have easier time possessing you?

>>41102630
Is there way to do this with some massage device or some other thing? I'm thinking foot massage devices might be able to tap into same stuff that this TRE stuff does

>>41103786
It does. Just like a gazelle lays down and shakes after getting chased by a lion
The same principles are at work
The thing that keeps PTSD operating is the circuits in your brain do not know the event is over because the brain actually has zero sense of time to a degree. This in theory releases that pent up energy and resolves the over active circuits. It tells the brain the event is over. This is why it is so important to lay in the fetal position and breath deeply after TRE..so your body and brain can sync up (again)

>>41103435
That's normal, just keep doing it. Probably best to do it in a safe place where you can relax.

>>41102693
Literally doing the Lord’s work. Thank you anon. To the others here I too can attest to the reality of TREs.

If I combine this with Wim Hof breathing will I survive

>>41101884 (OP)
Tried it for about 15-20 mins, was pretty interesting. My legs/hips/glutes and occasionally my core muscles were jerking around like crazy. I feel pretty relaxed afterwards, but also a bit spaced out.
I didn't have any traumatic memories or flashbacks surface though, my mind stayed fairly empty throughout other than the occasional thought of "this is odd" floating by

>>41104313
I suppose a follow up question I have is:
Most of the tremors were in my lower body, but that's probably because the video focused first on pre-fatiguing the legs and then on leg postures to start the tremors. Is there value in pre-fatiguing the other muscles of the body and then including other postures to try and get whole-body tremors, or is that not important for totally clearing out trauma?

>>41103124
why two days? im an accelerate mf

can yall even run a mile in 10 minutes?

Any of such exercises that can help with my hyperacusis/extreme noise sensitivity?

Thank you

>>41104781
I run marathons and have for ten years, first learned of TRE in 2019 I revisit the exercise every few months and can always achieve the shaking. I call it a "drainage" effect, it is perfectly fine if you visualize and use your imagination

>>41104801
alright thanks. will give it a shot.

>>41102416
feet together vs feet on floor?

>>41104183
Wim Hof breathing is a version of a legit yogic technique (Bhastrika Kumbhaka), but I would never recommend it to beginners. To understand why, you need to understand some subtle anatomy as well as what we are trying to achieve here.

Essentially, there exists a strong energy in all humans, in the region of the perineum. The yogis call this Kundalini, lying dormant in the Muladhara-Chakra. The daoists call this point Hui Yin, which stores the Jing (Essence) of a person. We want this energy to flow freely through the spine. In yogic terms, we want Prana (energy) to flow in the Sushumna (central channel). In daoist terms, we want Qi (energy) to flow in Du Mai (governing channel). It is all the same thing.

So why does the energy not flow? Because it is blocked. Most people are blocked up in some way, some more than others. But there is even some structure to blockages. Old yoga texts talk of three Granthis (knots) along the Sushumna. Daoist texts talk of San Guan (three barriers) along the Du Mai. These main blockages are at the base of the spine, middle of the spine and at the top where the skull connects. To overcome these barriers, there are two steps.

First, weaken the blockage through correct skeletal alignment, relaxation, and purification techniques. TRE is essentially one of the most potent purification techniques.

Second, increase the energetic pressure through semen retention, breathing techniques (for example Wim Hof method), and body locks (for example Mula-Bandha, contracting the Anus).

Raising the pressure without weakening the blockage first will just be a waste of your time, in the worst case you will actually manage to bring energy up and fry your nervous system which is not ready. My recommendation would be to just focus on purification first. You will experience energy flow just doing that as >>41102854 described. If you want to add a breathing technique, I would recommend abdominal breathing from daoist tradition.

>>41101884 (OP)
>>41104992
shit like this is why I come to /x/
just gotta sift through all the bullshit on this board and you'll find gold

>>41104398
Tremors will spread through the body with time and practice. Different postures produce different reactions and are worth exploring. Pre-fatiguing other body parts might also work, although I have never done that. Individuals that are more attuned with their bodies usually find it easier to spread the tremors, for example the athletic guy in this video >>41104844.

>>41104781
Are you implying that the tremors are caused by muscle weakness? Muscle fatigue makes it easier for beginners to get the tremors to start. But it is completely unnecessary. As you get used to the feeling, you will find that you can let the tremors start just by setting the intent, it works in different positions and on different body parts.

>>41104768
If you want to try more often, go for it. If you have signs of overdoing (fatigue, increased anxiety, flashbacks, irritability), turn down your session duration and frequency. This is a long process.

>>41102693
Thank you so much for this

>>41101884 (OP)
If someone does this for years and "works out" all of their trauma and tension, will the tremors stop happening, or is it something that will still occur each time they do the exercises?

>>41101884 (OP)
Currently tremoring for ten minutes, gonna see how long this lasts organically / lots of stored trauma from an incident two weeks ago (even thinking about it is speeding up the tremors now).

I’m going to see how long this lasts and give a play by play.

>>41105795
And it’s over:

TOTAL SESSION: 17 minutes

OBSERVATIONS:
>1
Lots of tremors that seemed to shift based on my thoughts. The more harsh the thought and memory, the stronger the shaking. I questioned “false” memories, but it was certainly sex abuse in my childhood, bullying by adults as a child, and some incidents I’ve been mulling all day based on reaching out to a tuned-in acquaintance this afternoon.
>2
The shaking feels like a washing machine and it is completely involuntary. I’d imagine naysayers commenting that it’s just muscle fatigue, but it’s DEFINITELY REAL
>3
When it stopped, there was no way to restart it. The vibrations were pleasurable and I felt a sense of sadness that I couldn’t stay in that state
>4
I read posts in this thread and felt like energy was stuck in my stomach. I’ve been having serious problems eating and can barely eat, I’ve been waking up feeling like I’m vibrating, and have had no energy (I need to WFH, so this was concerning).
>5
Breathing deeply at key points alleviated some tension that welled up, feeling like
>6
Legs are warm and feel like they’re vibrating at a higher frequency but much less perceptible. This could be the muscle fatigue, as I’ve been almost bed bound or sitting muttering to myself for a week.

I’m going to try this again after drinking some chicken broth and see if there are limits. Speedrunning this seems to be antithetical but if I can get results and get back to my original functioning, I’d incorporate this practice into Vipassana, Wim Hof breathing, and binaural beats.

>>41105886
Thanks for sharing, interesting report. My advice to rest 48 hours still stands though. Effects from the practice are often delayed, so you might feel even more tired later.

If you keep going, you will most likely feel even stronger fatigue, and at some point the body will just refuse to tremor further.

The practice is very potent and 2x 20 minutes per week will bring you good results when starting out.

>>41102465
Yes. I still have a blockage in the lower spine that I'm trying to release
>>41103835
Yes. There are some exercises aimed at triggering the tremoring. Once it's triggered, it does it automatically

>>41102693
Do you happen to know how to release the lower back? I tremor well, but I feel tension building in the lower back and it grows and grows, and it's like an itch I cannot scratch. I don't know how to invite the tremoring there

>>41106100
Thanks for the compliment. I’m doing this for the anons out there on 4plebs who need “autistic” data points (like I do). I really appreciate the posts here.

Lots of karmic events have been taking place in my life as of late, so I feel like I’ve turned a corner from a dark period of prolonged stress. TRE might just be the last piece of the puzzle.

Now it seems like The Work (a la Gurdjieff, et al) is casting out negative forces but the remaining obstacle is to purge my body. I fasted this weekend for 48 hours after doing a “weed” session of introspection.

Strangely, after I smoked nearly the last of it, I received a text from my friend at the right moment and chatted about our situations (she’s my grandmas downstairs neighbor fwiw). This was unprompted by her, as I cautioned her to leave me be before the weed ritual. She informed me of some facts that helped alleviate some cognitive dissonance regarding events that I felt I was being gaslit about. Once I got confirmation, I woke up feeling MUCH better (though it’s a struggle to do everyday tasks).

Ok, session #2 in a little bit

>>41102773
Lmfao what the fuck

my nervous system and symptoms are fucked. I can do max 20 seconds. Will it still be effective for me?

>>41101945
Sus

>>41106265
POST-SESSION #1:
Leg vibrations have died down quite a bit. Thoughts seem a bit more coherent. I’ve been doing these soliloquies in my house, confronting those who hurt me and solidifying a new mental path forward.

SESSION #2:
DURATION: 35 mins (stopped voluntarily)

OBSERVATIONS:
>1
Getting started like the first time takes a number of attempts to trigger the tremors. Tremors start in short bursts for 5 seconds then fade. Trying to avoid forcing it
>2
Tremors has restarted in short violent bursts. Breathing intense.
>3
Tremors based on angle of knees, just above 45° triggers violent tremors. 3rd time tremors kicked in, happens each time I rest my legs from far apart as possible to the aforementioned position. No bad thoughts except failing.
>4
Left leg and right leg aren’t equally stretched. After stretching, more intense tremors. Tremors are responding to my thoughts - VERY U
InTEREs TING. (Can’t type violent shakes)
>5
Cycling through thoughts therapeutically. Consciously doing a body scan to force energy up chakras, a bit better (holy shit most violent shaking now more so than before.)
>6
Switching back from ankles flat to feet flat seems ti lock in tremors. Trying legs out flat gets rid of tremors entirely. Trying again starts it up in feet flat position.
>7
I paused the event-by-event description here, as I did some Wim Hof breathing combined with stretching. Memories seem to be like a cavalcade of bad images and cosmic understanding. Violent shaking matches ignored if deeply hurtful experiences.
>8
Intensity is dying down but still intensity at 1/2. Legs are unbalanced with the right being more violent, stretching left doesn’t trigger more. Might be my bed’s memory. Try flat surface for session#3.

Okay, I’ve voluntarily stopped and some of my stomach blockage felt overcame (I felt energy travel up my left back up to shoulder blade, which was better than before).

I’ll observe the post-effects now.

>>41106715
POST-SESSION #2:
Hard to stop tremors voluntarily. Not sure if continuing is productive or diminishing returns. Legs are still going if I get into position. Inner thighs are getting fatigued. Start of sexual thoughts (NoFap day 4). Combining the Wim Hof breathing was hard to tell if improving or multi-tasking unnecessarily.

Okay, I think that’s enough for today. I’ll see if this works tmrw and I don’t want to shit up the thread unless people find interest in this logging. I’m hoping to resolve my trauma so I can be a functional person that I was several years back.

P.s. as a test, legs are still vibrating when in certain positions. As a matter of caution, I’m going to time it for ten straight minutes and see if the tremors dissipate entirely.

Oh, I've been doing that for 4 months now
Haven't seen any definite results yet, but I figure I might've simply not noticed any with how gradual the process seems to be. I do feel calmer for some time after every sesh
Anyways, my tremors are pretty much always shaking my head from side to side, as if saying no, and flailing my arms around, and that's it - I wonder what's all that about

>>41106850
neck tension? poor posture

>>41101884 (OP)
Bless you for sharing anon. It is astounding how minor movements can cause some trouble areas to pop that in depth stretches don't quite reach. Nice to have both at my disposal.

>>41104936
Feet together to start the tremors. I call this the butterfly position. The benefit is that it puts some stress on the inner thigh muscles, which makes tremors start more easily. You can also play with the knee height to increase/decrease the stress on the inner thighs. The downside is that this is somewhat of an active hold, so it's hard to let go completely and let the tremor do it's own thing.

After the tremoring has started and it has reached a certain strength, put the feet flat on the floor. The benefit of this position is that it is almost completely passive, so the body can tremor freely.

>>41106403
I'm going to be honest, I have no experience with such a sensitive nervous system. But I think that it should still have benefits, just tremor according to your capacity, then rest.

If memories, emotions, strange feelings come up, it's a sign of something being released.

>>41105637
With consistent practice, the tremors will spread over different parts of the body, and with time, the shaking will become weaker. Emotional reactions to TRE will also get weaker. However, the tremor reflex will stay with you forever, so you should be able to shake to some degree if you do the exercises.

In David Berceli's book, he mentions that in the end stage of purification, your body should produce a fine, pleasurable tremor that runs through the entire organism.

>>41103012
Didn't wind up doing it yesterday, will do today

>>41104791
Have you had an ENT check for Surfers Ear or Exostoses?

Or just generally spoken to an ENT?

>>41107979
Does anyone have a timeline for how long it takes to get to this "end stage"?

>>41108974
I posted about this here.
>>41102997
It will take a different amount of time based on the traumatic load. If you pick a healthy, successful, energetic person off the street, chances are that their traumatic load is very low, so they could probably reach the end stage in 1-2 years. If you have heavier trauma, your nervous system needs to return to normal first before reaching the blissful end stage, resulting in the more conservative estimate of 4-8 years. Noticeable improvements can be achieved in just a few months.

To give you an personal example, before finding TRE I was wasting away for years, every year I got sicker and sicker and more paranoid. I had lower back pain that never got better as well as a chronic digestive issue, diarrhea all the time. Thinking back, I was really completely stressed out 100% of the time, even while gaming or before going to bed. Total brain fog, difficulty going outside. All my physical issues were psychosomatic, caused by extreme tension.

After starting TRE, I was fully cured of my digestive issue in 6 months. By then, my back pain and my paranoia had also lifted considerably. So while I was not healed (yet), my condition had improved a lot.

>>41109188
>I posted about this here.
Thanks, anon.
Where would you say you are percentage wise? I keep thinking if TRE actually works there'd be atleast a few people that have reached the end-stage by now and that they would be screaming it from the rooftops, y'know?

>>41101884 (OP)
This is so fucking based. Just try it anons. It should work at the first try.


And if you want to release Trauma fundamentally the you might want to watch some videos here:
https://www.youtube.com/@Gopalinternational/


>>41101945
I tried it and it helped me tremendously to become more calm.
You can also look into Ashwagandha or other Adaptogens.

And if you want to look into the "source" of your chronic stress then i recommend "honest sharing".
Here is an example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcyAPpJvTYs

Its from this guy:
https://info.honestsharing.org/en/

Thank you for posting this. The 'floor plan' part was extremely effective for reducing my leg / hip tension. Incredible effect from such a simple set of motions. I wish I knew about this sooner.

I'll let other anons be guinea pig for this, there's something sus about this stuff.

>>41109344
Honestly, I'd put myself at 25%. The more I release the more I realize how much there is left. Recently tremors have moved into my face, and into my fingers. I never thought that I had a tight face... but apparently I do. The progress is definitely real, my health is improving month by month. Sometimes I wonder how different my life would be if someone had showed me this 10 years earlier. But a lot of people never find release throughout their whole life. So I guess I'm fortunate in that way.

>they would be screaming it from the rooftops
What am I doing right now? lol. I'm not even close to the end stage and yet I have the urge to share TRE to random anons. David Berceli ripped the technique from Qigong and told the entire world for free. Funnily enough he had to repackage it in a scientific way because otherwise noone in the western world would listen.

>atleast a few people that have reached the end-stage by now
I believe that some TRE coaches have reached the end stage. Before them, there were yogis and daoists who reached the end stage but never shared their techniques openly. Look up spontaneous kriyas or Zi Fa Gong. It describes the same process.

>>41101884 (OP)
It's heartbreaking how thousands upon thousands of people got tricked into doing this when the shaking actually stresses out your nervous system, if you do it long enough you will cause irreparable damage to the nerves in your legs. You reptilian cucks are gonna rot in hell for eternity for making people do this in hopes of healing their trauma.

>>41110110
It's so fucked that all animals do it naturally?

>>41110159
Yeah because it's a stress response? Monkeys masturbate as a stress response from being held in captivity, do you think that's also a good thing?

>>41110219
You have to be able to vent off the stress anon, and yes it's natural

https://www.reddit.com/r/longtermTRE/s/nuLRg7ijos

Good subreddit for TRE, 6.5k members

>>41110110
Proof?

>>41110219
It is a stress recovery response that discharges the trapped energy from stress. It naturally occurs during or after extreme stress situations.

Look at these videos. Do you feel like the shaking is harming these animals in any way? It's the opposite, the shaking reanimates the animals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QgglTik6G4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDlR-wl7iFI

When this response is disrupted or repressed, it is extremely harmful to the organism. Adult humans repress their shaking and trembling out of fear for social repercussions.

>>41110219
Monkeys masturbating is actually quite an interesting example. In my opinion, they are purposefully overstimulating themselves and numbing themselves out. Similar to a PTSD victim that gets addicted to drugs. The captivity feels so dangerous to the monkeys that they never feel the opportunity to discharge the stress, instead they stay on alert and cope with short-term rewarding behavior. It is a horrible thing.

>>41110110
>enters thread
>fearmongers
>provides no evidence for supposed nerve damage
>vanishes
Typical
If nerve damage actually occurred, it would easily be provable with a nerve conduction study and an electromyography test

tried this last night and woke up without clenching teeth and my hip not on fire. maybe works well

>>41110270
Head mod is a gatekeeping egomaniac?

>>41109481
you are retarded. there has been plenty of guinepigs for years /x/ this is an topic thats been around for a while. there is so many youtube videos about peoples positive experiences.

>>41106765
SESSION #3
DURATION: 1 hr plus

>1
A bit hard to start up on a consecutive day. First attempts took ten minutes to feel the sensations, and then I paused to grab water and olives. Upon returning to my bed after ranting to myself, I gave a quick stretch and the tremors started at bout 50% intensity.
>2
Restreching in heels together position seems to reactivate the tremors, as well as adjusting the angles of the knees.
>3
Left leg seems to never vibrate in the same way. When I align both knees at slightly off angles to each other, I can synchronize the tremors better.
>4
Trying one leg stretched out versus the other pulled up, which kills the vibrations considerably: not desired. Starting to suspect left side up to my kidneys may have a blockage.
>5
Cutting session short due to fatigue and experimentation with shorter, non/contiguous sessions.

No major bad thoughts cropped up despite today’s stressful events. I will experiment with holding positions when bad thoughts crop up to potentially counteract them.

>>41110270
This subreddit is a good source for information about TRE. Lots of people have shared their experience there.

This is some freaky stuff. Once I caught my rhythm I started feeling horny but... throughout my whole body. Also leaked some precum despite not having any sexual thoughts during the exercise. I do feel a lot calmer though so there's definitely something to this. Is it necessary to do all six exercises or can you skip to the last one since it's the most potent?

>>41108546
nah, i just have a really powerful hearing, but it's more of a curse than a bliss with my envioronment, the highway, the noisy brownoids i live with

>>41114623
>>41108546
Honestly, it's less about noise and more about the anxiety it causes me, i lived in this place since 2005 but i did not start to get bothered by noise until 4 years ago

>>41101884 (OP)
think I recall a thread on this on /pol/ way back

>>41101884 (OP)
>The underlying mechanisms that are triggered in this technique are the same ones used for "opening the channels" in Qigong, or "purifying the nadis" in Yoga. Purifying the nervous system is the gateway to any proper spiritual practice.
I don't have any trauma so this is the only reason I would attempt it. Just to see if it would "unlock" something.

But how often would one need to do it per day, and for how many weeks/months for a noticeable "change".

>>41114573
>Is it necessary to do all six exercises or can you skip to the last one since it's the most potent?
I wrote about this here.
>>41102416
If you can get your body to tremor, you can do the floor sequence only. Many people can do this after trying TRE a few times.

David Berceli, who invented TRE, basically designed a pre-fatiguing sequence that can get 99% of people to tremor. But the possibility of releasing the psoas while lying flat on the floor was known long before. Check out this section from a book published in 1981 (The Psoas Book by Liz Koch), here it simply says "the method cannot be understood through reading". LOL. If I only read this I would think the author is retarded.

>>41114889
Strong sensations can usually be felt immediately. If you are just looking to explore spiritual techniques you can try it right now and I'm some you will feel something. Many people report sensations of energy or sexual energy.

For example:
>>41102854
>>41114573


If you want a long term change, you need to be in this for a long time. Even if you are otherwise healthy you cannot just purify the body in one marathon session. It is always release, rest, release, rest. I would recommend you to start with 2x 20 minutes per week. Slowly increase the frequency and the duration to the maximum you nervous system can handle. I've seen people do 1 hour every day, although that is quite extreme. Practice at your maximum capacity, and you will feel a change in 3-6 months, I can guarantee you.

If you seek a higher spiritual goal, the timeline is 4-8 years for the process of purification. See here.
>>41109188

>>41114889
>I don't have any trauma
everyone has trauma tho. It doesnt necessarily mean you were molested or beat by your dad or somthing. Even falling out of a tree, getting in a fight (even heated argument) or a car accident would all cause your body to store trauma. anything that makes you tense up in fear even just momentarily is a trauma response. Even if you never had something really bad it still adds up over time little by little unless you release it.

>>41102997
>somewhat of a consensus that about 1-2%
I keep seeing that figure thrown around but can't find any primary sources.

>>41115129
I understand the context of what "trauma" means in this practice, based on Dr. Peter A. Levine's observations of wild animals naturally releasing trauma through involuntary tremors and shaking after a frightening event.

But I'm pretty sure most people that even discover/try this practice aren't thinking about basic fear based things that happened to them in the past, as the usual human context of "trauma" are actual horrific experiences. So when I say "trauma" I'm referring to things like that.

>>41115021
>It is always release, rest, release, rest. I would recommend you to start with 2x 20 minutes per week.
Thanks, I'll be sure to test this method.

>>41115411
You got me. I cannot find the primary source either. The quote supposedly comes from Dr. Eric Robins, an urologist who uses TRE to treat pelvic floor issues and chronic pain in his practice. He has some videos on YouTube. The number of 4-8 years is thrown around a lot on reddit.

There are no studies on longterm TRE effects and I don't expect that there will be any soon. We can only rely on experience. David Berceli wrote in "The Revolutionary Trauma Release Process" about the end stage, but he didn't give a time frame. Eric Robins (supposedly) said this thing about the 1-2 percent per month. There is also Christina Guimond who is a TRE provider, she said that her own process took only 2 years.

Check out this podcast where she is talking about her spiritual journey all the way up to non-duality. At 40:33 she talks about the TRE time frame.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuqmDYYnLSA

I think it is fair to say that it will take multiple years for most people. I've attached the relevant section from Bercelis book.

>>41110339
https://youtube.com/watch?v=-QgglTik6G4&lc=UgxQjAxfzBLBo5zm5vt4AaABAg.ACdfpMxXiGgALxo_clbqxz&si=QxBq9ANgGNiyTQPx this was a comment on one of your vids.

>>41115950
I cannot refute that with a "scientific" fact. There are no studies, no papers, no authorities that can "prove" that TRE works. You are correct, the scientific background that TRE is on is very shaky. In fact I would say that David Berceli desperately scraped something together from the existing literature to legitimize a technique that originates from spiritual practices.

Check out this podcast at 58:02, he explains where he got the ideas from, and how he deliberately tried to turn spiritual practices into something scientific.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T_y4QwSV_c

All we have are reports of people's experience, and of course you can experience it for yourself. From my experience I can definitely say that something is happening. I cannot explain you what exactly, but it goes beyond the placebo effect.

If you are into spirituality, look into spontaneous kriyas and Zi Fa Gong. In spiritual circles, the tremor mechanism has been known for hundreds of years.

I think buying 200-400$ foot massager gets same or better result

>>41116103
I would highly recommend you to try TRE at least once, then you can decide.

>>41116127
Foot massager's healing science is more established than this TRE stuff

Here's what Dr Eric Robins does with his sensitive clients; he also has a video instructing someone on how to do these short 20s/30s sessions while progressively increasing week by week. i've done 20-30seconds but even more than that, and I get nausea and insomnia that night (my nervous system is wrecked after covid) so i need to do super slow

>>41113036
He seems like, I just ignore his posts and focus on other members who shared their experience

>>41116154
Interesting. I really have no experience with this level of sensitivity. Even though I was in a very bad shape when starting, I had no problems with 20+ minutes if I took 2-3 days of rest afterwards.

It seems like Eric Robins believes that short tremor times are still beneficial. If you decide to follow through with doing TRE, I think it would be very beneficial if you shared your experience at some point. I have suspected for some time that TRE could heal long covid / chronic fatigue syndrome, but of course the data is lacking.

>>41116544
Yeah my long covid, POTS and other symptoms make it so that i have to go very slow at this. I quit TRE to pursue these brain retraining stuff (which can cure some of same long covid issues) but it's always a fine line between overtraining and not fearing symptoms. Like my symptoms like heart racing get to 180 pulse with heart beat with just 100 meter jogging, it's insane. And that's years in the illness

>>41116906
Heavy heart beating like heard thuds and thumps*

>>41116096
>tried to turn spiritual practices into something scientific.
Science is just the methodical study and testing of phenomena, so there is no such thing as "turning X into science", everything can be studied scientifically.

You ever heard the saying - "Magic is just science we don't understand yet"

>>41116096
It makes sense in theory, the only part that doesnt make sense is inducing “involuntary” shaking as part of a nuerological trauma dump response, but we are doing it “voluntarily” as well as intentionally, even if not forcing it. I understand comparing it to other stuff but anything to do with kundalini makes me very wary.

>>41116165
The problem is that he's the only one claiming to be end state and if that is what being end state looks like I'm not sure TRE is for me.

this is great thread OP one of the best ive read in a while. thank you. hope you keep it going.

Ive come across a lot of these ideas and concepts you have discussed over the years, but something about reading your posts about energy pathways and blockages ect resonated with me a lot more than every before and ive learned a lot. Im going to keep trying it but I have a little bit of hope for the first time in a while.

>>41108142
Alright so I finally got it done
I had a big experience, I was very nervous to do it for this reason, but I think I'm glad I did.
I'll post about it tomorrow when I'm home.

>>41101884 (OP)
Thank you for posting this

>>41101884 (OP)
isn't the "tremor" just muscle fatigue? if you're old or sit against a wall for minutes like these guys of course you're gonna shake. and if its not why would they shake? there is nothing special about this exercise, nothing wildly different than what i've done before and i didnt shake except if my muscles were fatigued maybe.

>>41120355
Check out this athletic guy who has full body tremors just from doing the leg exercises.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbN1E0qJMKU
This guy is a combat vet, also quite fit, reacts strongly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbbaFTTvxU0
This bodybuilder has a very strong reaction. Listen to what he says at the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TUqKeEog68

I explained the mechanisms here.
>>41102630
>>41105068

A lot of other TRE information is also contained in this thread, I won't link everything but you can go back and sift through it.

>>41117863
I agree. David Berceli is currently studying this phenomenon extensively. In the podcast snippet I posted here >>41116096 he mentions teaming up with a neurologist to develop a theory of TRE.

My point is that the techniques have been around a lot longer in spiritual circles, they don't even bother to explain and just say trust me bro it opens the channels. If anyone is interested I can post some sources, but I don't want to derail the thread into esoteric stuff if nobody cares.

>>41118756
The head mod is a bit weird, he claims to have achieved TRE end stage, 8 jhanas, raised kundalini, non-duality, in that order. He also claims to possess siddhi such as energy viewing as a result of this.

Either he is a lot more accomplished then I am or a bit of a schizo. In any case, I would look more towards Berceli himself to see an example of end stage, he is old but still energetic, and has taught the method to thousands of people with great feedback. Berceli claims that he fully recovered from PTSD, and he seems to be in good health. He claims nothing more.

These are the reasons why I would recommend TRE:
1. Reduce tension in your body, thereby reducing tension caused physical/mental illnesses.
2. Give you improved awareness of energy sensations which is the gateway to further practices, whatever that may be.

To any skeptics, all I can say is try it, if you don't like it, drop it.

>>41119698
>>41120299
I'm looking forward to any experience reports.

>>41113166
I also would like to hear how this anon feels after his 1 hour session. Probably tired. Any thoughts, memories that came up?

>>41101884 (OP)
I would recommend every anon in this thread to invest in an expensive massage chair

>>41115938
>The quote supposedly comes from Dr. Eric Robins, an urologist who uses TRE to treat pelvic floor issues and chronic pain in his practice.

You have to think about what data Robins used for the 1-2% estimate. He's the Urologist other Urologists send their hard to treat patients to.

>David Berceli wrote in "The Revolutionary Trauma Release Process" about the end stage, but he didn't give a time frame. Eric Robins (supposedly) said this thing about the 1-2 percent per month. There is also Christina Guimond who is a TRE provider, she said that her own process took only 2 years.

The book is, to be frank, very underwhelming. There's too many off topic sections and rambling. There is perhaps 3 pages worth of actual TRE content.
As for Guimond, her account of TRE on various podcasts have always been brief. She never gets into the meat of her 2 year journey.
I would say that the most detailed account of TRE practice is Terry Wood's journal with weekly entries for 4 years. At the end of which, he claims to be 90% healed of his symptoms.

>>41120955
>You have to think about what data Robins used for the 1-2% estimate. He's the Urologist other Urologists send their hard to treat patients to.
True, I hadn't considered that. I think it's safe to say that these people have a very high traumatic load.

>The book is, to be frank, very underwhelming. There's too many off topic sections and rambling. There is perhaps 3 pages worth of actual TRE content.
Also true. But I would consider Berceli to be the authority on TRE. We also have to keep in mind that he wrote the book in 2008, so he probably has gained quite a bit of experience since then.

>As for Guimond, her account of TRE on various podcasts have always been brief. She never gets into the meat of her 2 year journey.
Agree. In the snippet I posted she says that she got 75% of results in the first year and 25% in the second year. There is not much more information than that.

>I would say that the most detailed account of TRE practice is Terry Wood's journal with weekly entries for 4 years. At the end of which, he claims to be 90% healed of his symptoms.
Can't believe I forgot this one. I think Terry Wood is also a good example because he was an engineer who suffered from chronic nervous system issues his whole life. He discovered TRE near retirement age and approached the process very thoroughly with a scientific mind. His journal can be found here.
https://trejournal.com/

Thank you for the detailed post. It makes me happy to see that there are some well researched anons out there.

>>41121073
>We also have to keep in mind that he wrote the book in 2008, so he probably has gained quite a bit of experience since then.
What I find perplexing is the complete lack of follow-up on the "extremely fine tremoring endstage". You'd think he'd mention it atleast once somewhere else or perhaps another advanced TRE provider would but there's nothing. Have you tried contacting the foremost expert to get a direct answer, anon?
Berceli seems to be advising a TRE study in China.

>There is not much more information than that.
Funny how all these people kick the ladder once they've climbed up.

Terry should be trauma free by now if he'd continued at even 1/10th of the pace post-Journal. Again, another case of a supposed endstager going silent.

>Thank you for the detailed post. It makes me happy to see that there are some well researched anons out there.
You're welcome, anon. Are you a TRE provider?

>>41101884 (OP)
ok, so I watched a few videos of this, and it seems like the tremors are pretty tame.

how come when I tried it, my legs were flailing like a fish out of water, riding an angry bull?

>>41101884 (OP)
i tried it and i dont get it, are you supposed to press against your feet ot wall as hard as you can? so that your muscles get fatigued and you shake? otherwise this does almost nothing to me

>>41120447
>If anyone is interested I can post some sources, but I don't want to derail the thread into esoteric stuff if nobody cares.
Don't do that. It is always better to operate within the realm of the objective and the testable, that the realm of the subjective and untestable. It would be great if this became a general, and I don't want it to revolve into retarded nonsense like succubus general, or loa general, or semen retention general, or tulpa general (pretty much the bulk of the generals are useless garbage). Something that can be tested and experienced by everyone in an objective way creates a community where actual progress and discovery can be made, rather than larps or mentally ill people sharing schizo stories everyday. Once a thread devolves into the unobservable and untestable it loses all value and at that point it's just a free for all of boasting for unprovable feats.

Honestly, this wouldn't last long as a general anyways, because only the retarded generals last. If the core idea of the general isn't some cultish blind faith in an unprovable belief, it's not going to last on this forum. It won't get much participation long term. Humans at their core just want something to blindly believe in so they can take part in escapism from their problems. That's what all the other generals do.

>>41101884 (OP)
Trigger identification and Coping mechanisms.
>OP post calf exercises
ahahahahaha been doing those for over 30 years. I do them for fun to stay bouncy and lean, full of energy.

What is key is DIET, what you put in is what gets shat out. Certain things like apples will burn and poop fat.

Now, half of that fat could be backed up fecal matter. You take 14 day acai detox cleanse to clean the walls of your intestines
>u maybe up all night pooping a night or 2.
Did this before I had to do a week in county. Only ate cake and cookies and water. I only had 1 real shit and 2 half shits in 1 week. Certain areas you can not wipe your ass
>limited tp and you can not shower

People hear about those cruel conditions then see a story like kohlburger and think it is justified to do that to people. Even financially support it, you will burn in Hell when your eyes see what atrocious things your hand took a part in.

>Kohlburger is IN THE TURTLE SUIT, CANT SHOWER ON WEEKENDS, YES THATS HOW IT SHOULD BE
not for everyone else who is not THAT GUY. Your own children, grandchildren may suffer this fate and hate you for it.

>THE RAPE CELL OH YEA
Look into that niggers eyes who truly hates you and wants to murder you. He might cut you up, cut your dick off, leave you bleeding to death. I don't think kohl burger is around that.

Many of us might have to be because racist rape fantasizes are not cruel and unusual in your opinion.

Rape is not as much a thing we so many open fags. Its shank to the artiry people walk to the infirmary or get airlifted after. Heared every other day you see that helicopter picking up someone who got stabbed in the yard.

Jail is for people that are INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. If sentence is under 1 year they do that instead of prison. Making the process the punishment just creates a fuckload of corruption in the jail system. Its really fucked up.

Process as punishment is not DUE PROCESS.
>libs scream this for invaders but deny these rights to us

>>41121658
>>41121707
The duality of man.

>my legs were flailing like a fish out of water
You did it correctly. Everybody reacts differently to this. You can find videos of all different tremor intensities on YouTube, ranging from mild leg tremors to violent full body shakes. I have already posted some here >>41120417.

>so that your muscles get fatigued and you shake? otherwise this does almost nothing to me
Getting your body to tremor is an awareness and relaxation thing, it has nothing to do with fatigue. Fatiguing the muscles only makes it easier for beginners to get something to happen. I would recommend you start with the official video, during exercises 1-6, do everything until you feel some fatigue, especially the wall sit. Maybe some trembling will happen, but this is all just preparation. Then, lie down, and do what I described here >>41102416. Hold the position without forcing it. Relax. When involuntary twitches happen, be aware of them. Let them happen. With some experimentation you should be able to get the tremor going.

>>41121557
>Have you tried contacting the foremost expert to get a direct answer, anon?
I have not tried to contact anyone about this directly. Maybe it's time to send some emails.

>Are you a TRE provider?
No, I practice for myself and study from publicly available sources. But I would be interested if the provider training has any additional information to offer.

I almost regret bringing this end stage thing up, lol. In my opinion, it's just like this:
If you practice TRE, you will release tension, physically and mentally. I accept this as a fact, there is compelling evidence in the form of hundreds of experience reports, and my own experience proves it to myself. Now, to get the maximum benefit, it's not enough to practice once, you need consistently practice TRE. Then, at some point, there will be diminishing returns, where people report that they have gotten all they can from the practice. This usually seems to happen after multiple years, and I consider this the "end stage".

Does Bercelis mythical "very fine tremor that feels a bit like a mild and pleasant electric current" exist? Idk. But I have experienced some orgasmic currents for myself. So it does not seem too unlikely. To me, it doesn't really matter (yet), because I'm still clearly progressing.

Your opinion on this? Would of course be interested if you have any additional information.

>>41122139
Bots are improving fast

>>41121658
Maybe the reaction is just stronger for some people.

>>41122008
I think a TRE general could work if there is someone who answers questions, or for sharing experiences. At least this thread gained a bit of traction. I might make another thread in the future if I feel like it. It seems like some years ago there was one anon that regularly did TRE threads.

But I have to say that I'm quite disappointed with the quality of posts on this board. I would have expected at least some yoga, nei gong, meditation discussions with real content, instead it's 99% worthless stuff.

>>41123889
>But I have to say that I'm quite disappointed with the quality of posts on this board. I would have expected at least some yoga, nei gong, meditation discussions with real content, instead it's 99% worthless stuff.
Do you know of any better boards/forums (especially a serious forum with less delusional posters), I'm always looking and I can't find any. I honestly feel like I missed the golden era of 4chan, when I see some of the threads that were posted in from 2010 and before, it really just looks like this forum was taken over and dumbed down as a psyop.

So I tried this. My tremors came erratically, not as regularly as on the videos. I'm not sure how this measures up to other stretching exercises. Regardless, I'm going to repeat it a few times and see what happens.

>>41120299
So, this was a wild experience.
I may have over done it again. I had a shit load of FLASHBACKS throughout the entire thing.
This one was especially weird, near the end, I wasn't shaking....my body was flailing and It was having a tantrum as if I was a small child again. I mean that, quite literally. Inbetween humping the air, I was screaming NO! NO! NO! and I DONT WANT TO. Sometimes I would try to talk myself down and then i would respond like a child automatically "NO YOU WONT"
If I have an inner child, he is pissed about the way Ive been making him live. It was like at that moment, it was throwing an absolute fit over everything that happened to them from me and others.
At one point, I curled up like a bug and remembered the first time as a kid I could remember seeing a bug that had done the same thing and how it made me feel a bit uneasy.
My rooms a bit of a mess (also no yoga mat, hard wood floor). I was flailing so bad I had to keep moving clothes I'd left around to be under my head to prevent injury. But everytime I did that, My body would get upset and demand I stop. I would even yell it out.
I don't even believe in an inner child, but mine is apparently extremely upset all the time.
I finished the exercise a sweating mess, sore all over. Today though, I feel better. My body still hurts, but the psycho-somatic symptoms I had from sexual abuse (and sexual self harm) is not as intense. No lump in my throat.
Bizarre experience. I'll do it for a shorter period of time when I do it again.

>>41124212
General experience during;
1. Arms going up and down over my chest like im brushing something off.
2. Extremely sexual looking hip thrusts into the air.
3. Gutteral groans, lots of screaming "NO" and "I DONT WANT TO".
4. Body acting like a child throwing a tantrum- Fists getting balled up and slamming up and down on my thighs, often while screaming.
5. Flashbacks of childhood memories (mostly traumatic. Some big, some small).
6. Lots of turning over to the side of my body. I have some fetish gear hidden under the bed - whenever I saw that, my body went into primal terror and started screaming "NO NO NO NO"
7. Between the extreme movements I was doing, I almost injured myself several times. When I tried to do things to protect myself, my body got upset and screamed NO! It was like dealing with a small child throwing a tantrum and hurting their self and others around them.
8. By the end of the session, covered in sweat & exhausted. When I finally sat up, had a dull throbbing headache that lasted for around 30 minutes.
-----
Post TRE session;
1. Not feeling as anxious.
2. Less to no psychosomatic pain from sexual trauma.
3. Generally more ease in being present today.

>>41101884 (OP)
this is just kinda like twerking for military veterans

Can’t believe this shit actually fucking works man, whoever you are making this thread thank you

>>41101884 (OP)
reminds me of an exercise from hyatts book undoing yourself. I gotta get back into this stuff it was actually clearing up my depression and I wasn't feeling so numb all the time after a couple of months. Only issue with that book is it's a bit vague on what the exercise are really supposed to do and what the end goal or state is.

>>41101884 (OP)
Do you know of any form of Qi Gong that is as effective as this when it comes to feeling qi energy. And no, I'm not looking for Zifa Gong – Spontaneous Qigong which is in some ways similar to this when it comes to invoking spontaneous involuntary movement, I'm looking for a qi gong method that allows one to feel qi energy for the first time, as effectively as this TRE method is able to cause shaking.

If not, you could also just state any method of qi gong or energy work you've used before that allowed you to successfully feel qi or energy for the first time (and how long did you have to practice the method before you first felt qi or energy)? (if there is a specific book or course please state the name of it, if it's a specific lineage/school of practice state it if you able to do so).

Anyone experienced any more unusual body movements doing this? Tried it first time yesterday just got normal shaky legs like the examples. Today I just tried it again (I have tired legs anyway from exercise today) and I got the normal leg shakes for a second or two to start and then increasingly forceful alternating touching of my knees to the floor on either side. So picture the butterfly position with a right angle between the legs, my hips swivelled, turning both legs towards the left, with the outer side of the left leg slapping the floor, then to the right side, in turns. Eventually my knees stayed together and my hips were rotating around 180 degrees and slamming my legs (painlessly) into the ground on either sides, with my legs together, touching. I was able to stop it easily enough when I had slithered far enough across the floor from this movement to be contacting furniture.I was slowly sliding forward ("down", in the direction of my feet).
Is something like this typical?

>>41125529
Hey, That's similar to what happened to me! your description is better.
>>41121658

>>41125529
Same anon again. I wondered what would happen if I allowed the upper body to move rather than the legs. I tried just relaxing and letting movements start while standing up instead, and I began doing this sort of figure 8 swaying of the upper body, with the body twisting at the waist to pretty much its full extent, the arms swaying freely in their own kind of figure 8 movement arcs but varying pretty wildly at times. I got many cracks and pops of my spine and shoulders which felt good. My legs began sort of squatting rhythmically after a while, combined with bending forwards, and basically my whole body was just flailing round like a retard for a while. Eventually I lost balance and stopped to prevent myself falling over forwards. No fatigue or discomfort felt during it, it was like a massage if anything.
Is this even the same thing or what?

>>41125557
Interesting. Any other details you think might be worth adding about your experience?

>>41125634
I noticed when it got closer to my head, I had a feeling to make some vocal sounds. like a grunt or hum. kinda like it was stimulating the occipital nerves

>>41125681
did you choose to stop or just the urge wasn't fully there to cause an actual sound?
I am troubled by a constant but mild tightness/discomfort in the abdomen so hopefully my twisting has gone some way to relieving it, It isn't pain, just a constricted feeling across the very top of my abs. I was thinking maybe that's what the muscles want to work to loosen up.

>>41125757
the urge was there, and if I let it go, it would follow a similar pattern(?) to the tremors, where it would come and go, increase and decrease, and could be stopped at will if need be

>>41125529
Yes
>>41124255

>>41122592
>Maybe it's time to send some emails.
Haven't had much luck with that on my end. Hopefully you fare better and share your findings on another TRE general at some point.

>Your opinion on this?
Based on experience there seem to 3 broad categories. High responders, people like you and >>41124212 . Normal responders, some relief, gradual change over weeks. Non-responders. This last type perceives zero benefit from even prolonged sessions(multiple hours) over months.

Another interesting thing about Terry Wood was the versatility and range of his tremors. The man could could control what part of his body tremored, the intensity and even perception of it. He could even tremor in any environment or position. In traffic, during a meeting, on the can, just on the sofa zoning out to a movie. I think figuring out why he was so freely capable of tremoring anywhere anytime is a crucial clue for TRE theory in general. You have any thoughts on this?

>>41125438
I could show you numerous Qigong methods that invoke Zi Fa Gong. The teachers of those methods largely agree that this is a prerequisite stage as it opens the channels. TRE essentially does nothing else but invoking Zi Fa Gong, during the practice I regularly feel sexual / blissful energy rise and circulate spontaneously. It started happening after a few months. Some anons in this thread felt it the first time.

The next thing I did was reducing my sexual activity / semen retention. After some time again, I would spontaneously feel euphoric currents in my spine during my day. These were not subtle, they would literally make me drop everything I was doing to enjoy them. Currents last for 10-20 seconds and are strong. Again, they are spontaneous, you could maybe force it with yogic techniques but I don't think it's a good idea.

The final thing I can tell you about are the Ba Chu (eight sensations). In Qigong, these are the eight types of feelings that can occur when Qi is moving. One of them is quite obvious, Diao (vibrating). This is NOT Zi Fa Gong. It is what is sometimes called "fascial unwinding" in the west. So a small part of your fascia will vibrate involuntarily. For me it often happen right above the knee, or the elbow. Or a small part of my neck will vibrate. Ba Chu happen spontaneously when you turn the awareness onto the body. So I will experience them while lying down, body scanning, or in sitting meditation.

Now there is some discussion about feeling Qi sensations versus feeling Qi directly. I will honestly tell you that I cannot feel Qi directly. But I experience some of the sensations traditionally associated with Qi. As a guide, I recommend "A Comprehensive Guide to Daoist Nei Gong" by Damo Mitchell.

One more word, you cannot force any of these sensations, it's all about awareness. You should do Ting (listening), Song (relaxing), then they will come if your channels are open enough.

TLDR just do TRE and put awareness to the body.

>>41123939
Sadly no. There are subreddits of course, the TRE subreddit is not bad. Also obscure forums like thedaobums, AYP forum. But if you want real high quality discussions, there is nothing I know.

I'm thinking about joining private discords, maybe that is going to be better. But for now I am content with the public internet.

>>41126149
>Hopefully you fare better and share your findings on another TRE general at some point.
I'll try... sometime. Currently I'm not too pressed about the issue. Honestly I expect them to just say that the end stage can be different for anyone and that's it. Did they just give you no response at all?

>I think figuring out why he was so freely capable of tremoring anywhere anytime is a crucial clue for TRE theory in general.
I think that awareness plays a crucial role. In Qigong there is a saying called Yi Dao Qi Dao (Where the awareness goes, the Qi goes). Like I posted here >>41126826, awareness alone is enough for me to trigger fascial unwinding, I cannot control where exactly, but I make myself susceptible to it and then it happens consistently.

I also play with my awareness during practice, I always try to listen to the source of the tremors, and when I finally get to the root over multiple sessions, it usually results in a huge outburst or an evolution of the movements. Damo Mitchell also mentions in his Neigong book that this awareness is key to resolving the stage of Zi Fa Gong and move on. I've attached the relevant section (ripped from a bad pdf, sorry).

And a final thing that helped me is just to explore different traditions that include tremoring, it's probably obvious that I am a big fan of Qigong/Neigong. They have their own model of what is happening, and some advice to give. Their methods are wildly different, standing, sitting, lying, or in the face or hands during any activity. By studying them I was able to achieve this for myself.
>tremor in any environment or position. In traffic, during a meeting, on the can, just on the sofa zoning out to a movie.

I'd be willing to share methods if you are interested.

I've been seeing those TRE threads for a couple of years.
I know absolute nothing about it so I'll just watch the video(s) and try it.
That being said, I don't think I have any kind of trauma.

>>41125681
>>41125827
I recommend you to try and let the sounds out. Vocalizations are well documented as a result of TRE, and can bring you release.

>>41101884 (OP)
I saw your posts on /pol/ a few years ago, tried your techniques a few times and they worked
You're doing the lord's work, I will try your method again

>>41127061
Kinda weird. I come to /x/ maybe once every 3 months. And I just got here and just saw this TRE thread. I’m actually the original guy who made all the TRE threads from 2020 thru 2023 or so.

>>41101884 (OP)
>WARNING:
>If you are heavily traumatized or schizo, limit your session time to a maximum of 10 minutes when starting out. Normal people can start with 20-30 minutes. This is a real and extremely strong technique. Beginners should rest for 48 hours between sessions.

This is bullshit advice. Initially you should be doing it 45 seconds to 2 mins. LESS IS MORE with this. And then work your way up to 5 MAYBE 10 mins absolute max.

20-30 mins? You are fucked to be telling people this. I’ve been doing TRE for 6 years and maybe 1 time I went 15 mins.

TRE is gaining some traction the last couple years with lots more vids and so many people in the comments say they do it for 20 mins to an hour right away. Totally fucked.

>>41101945
Here’s my dumping of results from when I made the threads years back on /pol/ and /x/

this seems like a way to fatigue uncommonly used accessory stability muscles and back muscles. people underestimate how nice an aligned body feels. also how easy it is for modern posture to lead to functional disability

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>>41101884 (OP)
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https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/28194527/#28194527

First thread I made on /x/ back in the day

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>>41127191
>>41127188
incredible testimonies

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>>41102858
You are a good dude for posting these. But you gotta stop saying 20 mins. Never do this for 20 mins.

>>41127055
Result: none.
I did every exercise in OP's video, and only had slight tremors when I had my back against the wall. I think I stayed too long in that position.
The floor work, in particular, did absolutely nothing.
Maybe it's because I have a good posture and practice sports (swimming, biking and gym rings, while the people in the video are geezers and cat ladies), maybe I fucked up ALL those exercises. Who knows.
From now on I will consider TRE as charlatanism.

>>41102906
Never do it for 20 mins. 10 MAX. Preferably 5 mins.

>>41127250
Do wall sits for a min or two first. Or get in the butterfly position one like your going to do the exercises and then arch your back upwards and hold for a minute

>>41127213
enough about the past anon. tell us how you're doing now.

>>41127126
I'm the OP in this thread. I agree that I could've been more careful with the recommended times. But I stand by 20-30 minutes for normal people. My first session was 30 minutes. I have introduced TRE to people IRL and had them do 20 minutes no problem.

David Berceli himself has recommended 20 minutes numerous times. For example in this video on his own YouTube channel. There are also interviews with him where he says it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Flm8v8IKCg

What you are recommending are the times for extremely sensitive people as in >>41116154.

The most important thing is just to know your own limits. Stop when it gets uncomfortable. Keep in mind that fatigue can kick in hours or days after the practice. I'm a bit worried about the 1 hour anon. But I did tell him to rest 48 hours and do 20 minutes only.

As you have done TRE for 6 years, I would like to hear your opinion on the end stage discussion starting here >>41115938.

>>41127258
But two minutes is nothing.
>get in the butterfly position one like your going to do the exercises and then arch your back upwards
I don't get it, please draw a shitty mspaint version.

>>41127250
Look here >>41120417 to see a bodybuilder tremor. This is about awareness and not about fatigue.

>>41127264
Ok my apologies. I never really delved into all of bercelli’s videos. I don’t have e the attention span. I just got the gist of it and then went to a TRE practitioner and she said less is more and 2-3 mins initially or even less. But if Bercelli said it then I guess I stand corrected.

>>41127278
This is to just weaken the muscles to help induce the tremoring.

>>41127281
>This is about awareness and not about fatigue
>>41127293
>This is to just weaken the muscles
Make up your mind, friends.
That being said, I tried again like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbN1E0qJMKU, as one of you pointed out. I lasted quite a while at maximum, but had no tremors when I rested after being fatigued.

>>41127337
>Make up your mind, friends.
Fatiguing the muscles makes it easier for beginners to get something to happen as I explained here >>41105068. After fatiguing, it's about awareness. Tremors due to fatigue are probably very familiar to you since you do sports. This is something else. The fatigue tremors will "lead" into the real TRE tremors.

>had no tremors when I rested after being fatigued
If you just did the movements and then rested passively, you did it wrong. Do the pre-fatiguing sequence of the official video, do everything until you feel fatigue, since you are athletic, you need to do more reps than these old people.

Then do the slight adjustment + awareness method I described here.
>>41102416

That's all I can teach you over the internet. If that does not do it for you, you can book a TRE provider who can show you in person.

I'm starting to get Liz Koch >>41114962.
>the method cannot be understood through reading
Maybe she was right all along.

>>41101884 (OP)

i just walked a friend through the video above without telling them what it was for or what was meant to happen and they didn't have tremors. do you think having a witness or not being "in the zone"/meditative makes it less effective?

>>41127510
Sounds like placebo method to me.

>>41101884 (OP)
So stuff like this is great for mild aches and pains.

But, I've never seen healthy/spiritual/hippie people mention what to do when you're in *serious* pain.

I'm talking "2 discs in your back exploded, 9 years later you get spinal fusion (which didn't help), and simply existing is tiresome" type of pain.

Do these people advocate for a more advanced version of this stuff?
Seeing more/other doctors?
Taking opiates/other drugs?

It's just a thought experiment, because there's plenty of people on Facebook talking about healthy living and whatnot - but it occurred to me I've *never* seen any of those people mention what you should do when you're in serious, constant pain. I'm just wondering what they would recommend in that situation.

I tried this years ago by following the same "official" tutorial video from the OP. I didn't experience any tremors and it seemed to me that they were overcomplicating everything. Today I saw this thread and decided to revisit the idea of TRE. I saw this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoB9wpuO688 in my recommended list, which appeared much less convoluted to me and didn't instantly elicit a "this is bullshit" response. I followed along with the video and had tremors almost instantly. I didn't do it for very long, maybe only 8-10 minutes. During the session some very old, obscure, and vague memories from my childhood appeared in my mind. I really mean it when I say vague, like only a few short and indistinct visions combined with other sensations I assume I experienced back when the events actually took place. I voluntarily ended the session sooner than I would have liked to. I felt much more calm in mind and body when I finished it. I'll definitely be doing more of this in the future. I have a feeling it will be almost as important to my overall wellbeing as some other rare information pertaining to health that I stumbled upon a few years ago.

>>41126903
Honestly I already knew about the daobums and WYP (and everybody knows about reddit). Yeah those forums are more serious and you will get responses, but I don't think I've ever gotten some method that simply "just worked" and that was that. Everything I ever found that worked I just stumbled upon it myself by luck one day. It's really annoying, there should be some kind of central source of knowledge so people can skip all the trial and error, and years of wasted time.

>>41125623
Same anon again. Throughout the night I would sometimes wake up and notice my stomach was growling ridiculously loud in one continuous sound, quite unusual. It didn't really worry me because it felt fine so I'd just go back to sleep. Having woken up I don't know if I'm just imagining it but the tension seems a lot better. I guess there's been a bit of pressure on my stomach and I let some of it go, allowing it to re-expand or something.
I had a non-serious but unpleasant abdominal injury a few years ago and the feeling of tension has been there since. It's not gone, but it feels like it's only really on one side now. I'm going to keep this up but I think I'll take a day off today since I've done 2 in a row.

>>41125529
>Anyone experienced any more unusual body movements doing this? Is something like this typical?
Yes, crazy movements can happen during TRE but everybody reacts differently. Your case sounds normal to me, strong reaction but still normal.

>>41125623
>I tried just relaxing and letting movements start while standing up instead. Is this even the same thing or what?
Yes, it's the same thing. That's quite funny though, because you accidentally stumbled upon an advanced variation. Standing tremoring is very common in Qigong. It seems like you are quite in tune with your body.

>>41129126
>I'm going to keep this up but I think I'll take a day off today since I've done 2 in a row.
That is a good idea. Stay aware of any sensations that come up, and rest as long as you need. You can revisit TRE at any time, there is no rush.

I find this kind of funny. Some anons cannot get TRE to work even with David Bercelis foolproof pre-fatigue sequence. Others naturally discover advanced stuff that is very hard to teach through text. Keep it up. What you did was standing TRE, there is an example here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKfFpMwMnyE

Some Qigong practitioners try to invoke this standing reaction by assuming the Zhan Zhuang posture, pic related.

>>41128132
>there should be some kind of central source of knowledge so people can skip all the trial and error, and years of wasted time.
I agree. Best thing we can do is to share knowledge openly. But there is currently no such central source as far as I'm aware.

>Everything I ever found that worked I just stumbled upon it myself by luck one day.
Same. Care to share something here? I regard the opinion of fellow TRE enjoyers very highly.

I think one of the biggest problems is that it is hard to determine if information is trustworthy. I'm really doing my best to post the highest quality knowledge I have here, some anons still believe I'm a schizo, TRE is fake, it's all placebo and so on. I could post the recipe for the philosophers stone here and some anon would still call me retarded. The world of spirituality (and alternative medicine) is just so full of grifters that noone can tell real from fake anymore.

>>41129544
all you can really do is follow the information that resonates and compartmentalize it carefully if it does, disregard the rest.

>>41128126
If I ever do another thread I will post this video as a demo. It demonstrates the butterfly position way better then the official tutorial.

>>41129544
>Care to share something here?
Honestly I can't even give a specific method for "getting it to work", but you should definitely look into self hypnosis and practice it. It is the first and only thing I found that undeniably works. Aim for testing eye catalepsy first and then try the other stuff. I got it to work on a fluke via multiple attempts over a few days, and after that it simply just always worked, like a light switch was turned on.

I can't enter deep trance for save my own life though, but I can pull off most light trance hypnotic feats (eye/limb catalepsy, arm levitation, etc.).

Now assuming you've already dabbled in self hypnosis, do you know of an effective method of going into deep trance. Been searching for like a year now, and I can't find anything that works, it's like I hit a wall, this is why I'm willing to try this TRE thing, I'm hoping it may "unlock" something.

>>41129454
Thanks for the info. I wouldn't say any "tremoring" occurred at all while I was standing, I wasn't shaking at all, but rather making broad flowing movements. I was doing fairly deep squats for a while, no shivering or anything similar.
Like I said, although I was repeatedly squatting and rising back up, maybe 15-20 times before my balance went, there was no effort or feeling of the leg muscles having to pull/tense at all, it's like my legs were just lifting me of their own accord. My legs aren't weak, I can do a lot of unweighted squats if I try to, but it was still unusual to feel nothing (not numbness, just complete lack of strain) from such a dramatic movement, the amount of effort was just like standing perfectly still.
I report any further experiences in future if there's a thread.

>>41104781
What that has to do with an exercise about stimulating nervous system?

>>41127510
Is it about finding the right angle?

>>41127510
>>41130082
I assume you are the same anon? Did you get TRE to work for yourself?

>do you think having a witness or not being "in the zone"/meditative makes it less effective?
Being tensed up, or nervous because someone is watching can inhibit the reaction.

>Is it about finding the right angle?
Experimenting with the leg angle in butterfly position is one part of getting it to work. The second part is about awareness and relaxation.

>i just walked a friend through the video above without telling them what it was for or what was meant to happen and they didn't have tremors
I wouldn't expect anything else. You see, the physical movements are really not all that important. If it was the physical movements alone that trigger the tremor reaction, I'm sure a lot of people would stumble upon TRE by accident while doing sports.

It's really all about awareness. Check out this post I wrote here >>41127439 as well as the linked posts in that post. Then, also watch this video where David Berceli guides a TRE session. Pay close attention to how he is directing the awareness of his client. He tells them, "now pay attention to X sensation", "if X reaction happens, relax, let it happen". This is absolutely key. If you don't do that, you can hold the butterfly position for 1 hour and nothing will happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoB9wpuO688

>>41130183
>Pay close attention to how he is directing the awareness of his client.
Ok, Berceli doesn't really direct his clients awareness in this video, I messed up. He does it in some other videos, but I can't find a good example right now. I hope you got the idea.

>>41101884 (OP)
what's the quickest way to get this to work? If its already in the thread link me to the steps.

>>41130753
>ideally fatigue your leg muscles to make them more likely to start shaking (not vital, but fatigue of the thighs is what will trigger this to begin with so it'll potentially start faster)
>lie down on back, bend knees and put bottoms of feet flat together, like you're praying with your feet (butterfly position)
>raise the bent knees up from their resting position a couple of inches further away from the floor, hold 1 minute
>raise the knees a couple of inches further, hold 1 minute
>raise the knees a couple of inches further, hold 1 minute
>your legs should start to shake from the muscle fatigue of your inner thighs before your knees meet in the middle (probably after the second or third increment)
>don't resist the shaking, allow it to amplify
>one it has set in fully, place the feet flat on the floor, knees still bent 90ish degrees, so you no longer have to hold the legs up and can relax
>allow yourself to be moved freely and see how it goes
>once you've had enough just straighten your legs fully and they will stop shaking

>>41130183
I was 510. Interesting, I thought as much. I noticed little vibrations but they kept asking me "is this meant to be a stretch? Should I go lower?". They're athletic so I think they thought it was some sort of test of physical ability. This desire to do well might have reduced the relaxation required.

I also think that the tremoring is quite weird and alarming to do, so it's the sort of thing you'd suppress if you didn't know what it was or if someone was watching.

>>41104992
Thank you for the advice. I think I have blockage and your post makes sense.