Thread 41113531

why is there so much suffering in this world
is it all pointless? why don't God fix it somehow
I wish I could believe in him, but the sheer amount of pain and suffering is a no-no

i have the same questions :( it pisses me off, especially knowing that so called "christians" are the ones making this world a worse place, either directly or indirectly

>>41113531 (OP)
>my first world problems are just so much man
>yea i got food, water, electricity, internet, etc but muh suffering

>>41113531 (OP)
supposedly its some fucked up high tech simulation ran by entities to use us as an energy source; the world is full of suffering because the entities "feed" off it. were like energy teets for them

>>41113557
>"You're dying of thirst? You shouldn't complain, the man I just passed is drowning."

>>41113861
That's fucked up

>>41113531 (OP)
Gods are just higher entities, not sky daddies. Your suffering? They just don't care lmao.

>>41113531 (OP)
The suffering in this world is absolutely not meaningless! The fact is that this universe is the house of death, and everything in it is paid for with pain, and every living being is assigned exactly the same amount of pain, tailored to what it can endure; the pain of an aphid is therefore no less than the pain of an elephant, but exactly the same, only reduced to the measure of an aphid! It is important to know this. Furthermore, one must be aware of the fact that every single consciousness ascends into its OWN afterlife upon death. For consciousness is the creator component of this universe, and from every single spark of consciousness, a new universe can arise. No one can tell you exactly what will happen to you after death, because it is different for everyone! Deep down inside, only (you) know what your personal afterlife will look like. And the nature of this afterlife is determined by all the data that your consciousness has collected during your lifetime. The pain you experience in this world is absolutely essential for this, because you cannot create paradise if you have never felt hell. That is why every experience is paid for with pain in the house of death. Pain is the currency in the house of death. And the more you have paid, the more heavenly your afterlife will be.

>>41113531 (OP)
You don't think about how much a phone suffers whenever you use it, it has to just sit there not thinking anything, getting electrocuted. Performing tasks all day, shouldn't we help the poor cell phone out?

>>41113531 (OP)
Why is 1/3 of the world following a bronze age semetic torture ritual that leaves infant males brain damaged?

>>41113531 (OP)
What pisses me off is people actually think Gods, angels, demons or whatever (if you're theistic satanist) believe that those entities care about children. Cute.

Every one I talked to said they were indifferent to the suffering of humans child or not.

Well, I guess I should disclose my confirmation bias, the ones I talked to actually didn't care, I'm sure there are ones in major mythologies that do care since they were more closer to humans relationship-wise. but most of them don't

>>41114482
Because then it’s more meaningful when I kill God.

>>41113531 (OP)
it seems its beyond the scope of your comprehension but can you really imagine no possible scenarios where all men suffer though their own shared ignorance with no external hand in punishment? if you cant youll never be able to envision a scenario where man can cease to suffer, youll always require that external hand of salvation.

>>41114419
>The pain you experience in this world is absolutely essential for this, because you cannot create paradise if you have never felt hell.

damn this baboon spitting some mad facts not gonna lie

>>41113861
true
https://youtu.be/HwAPLk_sQ3w?si=_CCB4YzcEolWikMO

>>41113531 (OP)
Law of polarity; cannot have ‘good’ without ‘bad’ lest the other becomes the status quo, and becomes meaningless.

bump

>>41113540
theres something always abt the christians

>>41113861

Hmm.....

>>41113531 (OP)
you can either believe in pain or God.
Pain is the belief in weakness, bodies, death, limitedness, suffering, mortality, hostility, and evil in all its many forms.
God is the belief in unassailability, Spirit, strength, eternal life, love, cooperation, power, and good in all its many forms.

Believing is seeing

>>41114419
>you cannot create paradise if you have never felt hell
Bullshit, I do not need to eat a shit sandwich to enjoy a ham sandwich. It is fully possible to have enjoyment without suffering. Anyone who tell you otherwise is coping.

>>41114773
Yet, the ham sandwich caused a lot of suffering before you could enjoy it.

>>41113531 (OP)
Yes, it's unironically pointless. They teach as much to Christians in seminary studies. You just can't tell your believers that it's pointless because then they lose faith. Christian Faith, by their own admissions, studies, and teachings, can not coexist with the reality of the world.
People suffer because the greed of even a single person outweighs any holy justice or divine intervention.

>>41113557
>boomer with no empathy projecting his own feelings onto OP
You seem way more corrupted by the first world. The post didn't even mention personal suffering. Why did you feel the need to reply? Why are you so easy to read? lol

>>41113531 (OP)
The source is neutral.
All that can exist, does exist.

Given that we are somewhere in the middle of the best and worse experiences that can be.

Partly because they forbid eugenics as a shtick on 'it belongs to the ideology of the one who lost the war'.

>>41114559
It's total bullshit, and very obviously so

>>41115550
If you cannot refute the mandrill's statements with factual arguments without resorting to insults, you have already lost the discussion.

>>41115573
no u

>>41115573
>he wants factual arguments for something babies learn instinctually in the first days of their lives
Non-human entity detected

"So much suffering" compared to what?
What are your expectations based upon?
The actual answer: the naivete of childhood, and the fantasy worlds of media fiction that were purposefully engineered to be psychologically satisfying to people.

Maybe you expected a society at least marginally aligned towards justice and benefit for all, where the contributions of the present would not only guarantee but enrich the future beyond one's self?

Most human suffering is human caused. And 99% of the time the human cause is that some human is profiting from the suffering of others and wants it to be kept that way.

>>41113531 (OP)
I may fix it soon.

>>41113531 (OP)
Kids think time outs are suffering. We are not suffering, this is just part of the experience of learning.

>>41113531 (OP)
humans know everything better than God, at least that's how they act

>>41113531 (OP)
Because of me. It's all my fault, and I'm deeply sorry.

>>41113531 (OP)
The suffering has a point. The demons feed on it o algo asi

>>41114061
>>41114574
from my research though you can kind of get out of it if you ignore them, theyre not all powerful they have to use deception to get your energy, if they were all powerful reality would just be and endless loop of torture that never ended i think. im not 100 percent sure how it actually works yet

>>41116105
I'm mad but if you are really sorry i forgive you

For there to "be" anything there has to be and not be, so it can be distinguished.
For there to be light there must also be darkness, a lack of light, so the light can be seen, or else if light pervaded everything with no dark, how could we know it as light?
Or with heat, if there were no cold, how could we understand it as heat?
This is our way of understanding, to draw two extremes and see as a value between the polarities. If there is only one polarity it cannot have a value.
If the universe is made entirely of 1s with no 0s you cannot encode any meaningful information in it because there is no pattern you can draw. It's like trying to paint a picture with only one color, and no variation in hue at all. There has to at least be dark and light or else it's just a solid field.

This is the way our sense organs draw the world around us. They create a spectrum from dark to light, high pitch to low, red to blue, sour to sweet, good to bad, and so on, and draw using this spectrum.

So long as we are actively drawing a reality around us, we will have to suffer from the "bad" end of this spectrum as this is the nature of reality and consciousness.

This is dependent origination.

>>41113531 (OP)
soooo you have a feeling in you that tells that what is happening is bad right?

you have a voice in you that tells you to do something about it right?

you're not alone

thats how god is trying to fix it

you ignore that voice and it causes you great pain

you are not the only one ignoring it

the devil is winning , people are choosing material comfort over doing the right thing

>>41113531 (OP)
grow some balls

>>41113531 (OP)
idk

>>41113531 (OP)
>>41115225
>why is there so much suffering in this world
>is it all pointless?
That's a developing answer that we must find for ourselves together. If there's a God, I just know that God can't do all the work by themselves. We help God and God helps us. We're in this together, for better or for worse. So cheer up and grab some sunshine safely to help make you feel a little bit better and hopeful about life. Good luck and Godspeed, anons.

>>41116105
It's not your fault buddy. Cheer up and be happy and grab some sunlight safely outside.

>>41113540
How in the world are Christians making the world a worse place? The Christians I see are donating to the homeless, showing compassion to those suffering, trying their best to be Christ-like.

>>41121042
Christians have done good and bad like any other group of humans in the world, but to me, it seems like Christians have done far more good in the world than bad.

>>41113557
do posters like these just lack a frontal cortex or what

>>41121291
Yeah. It's the 'yet you participate in society' meme. These people are barely conscious

>>41113531 (OP)
>why don't God fix it somehow

God is Evil itself.

>why is there so much suffering
Well why not
Whatever created everything gave everything everything so that force be it God or the universe owes you nothing
God has given you enough

>>41121524
Check this guy out, we got God's lawyer over here lmao

>>41121539
>Gods lawyer
Nah just pointing out the stupidity of using suffering to argue for anything ever
>Muh hurty feelings disprove God
Nah that's dumb

>>41113531 (OP)
non omnipotent rapists like god cant fix anything
he is the sole evil and the reason why reality is shit for non evil entities
jesus christ is a non omnipotent child rapist who is the ultimate evil
christians are pure evil and should be jailed for worshipping a delusional evil child rapist
fuck god fuck jesus fuck the holy spirit

>>41121524
fuck your god he is the father of all lies jesus christ father of nothing
he is not omnipotent and not fit to lick up my shit
fuck god fuck jesus fuck the holy spirit
i curse the earth

>>41121561
>waaaaaa
I think you're getting tired and emotional anon does baby need beddies?

>>41121551
Why does he act like a spoiled teenage girl then? He fucks up Job's life and kills his family just because he was shooting the shit with the devil and couldn't take the banter. That's just one example. The old testament god is a childish mess. Critizising that is not hurty feelings, it's just being a normal adult with an average grasp of morality. Also nobody even mentioned disproving God. You're just a boomer who likes to belittle others even though you have no substance yourself

>>41121610
>why does he act like a spoiler teenage girl then
God gave job everything he took so it doesnt really matter
When I give you a tenner and expect it back am I a teenage girl or someone who loaned you money
To claim you are entitled to donations is the real teenage girl mentality
You are a metaphysical onlyfans whore

>>41121619
you have to be 18 to post here

>>41121619
why are christians such psychopaths lol I hope to god you never have children

>>41113531 (OP)
I think the creator made a flawed world. Not really bad but also not really good. And I think the angels (Devas) are constantly fighting the demons (Asuras) to keep the cosmos from collapsing into chaos. But a certain amount of chaos is always there. It's basically a spiritual war since day 1, and we're in the middle of it.

>>41121619
Damn, why can't God afford a better lawyer? Did he blow all his money on onlyfans?

>>41121634
>>41121638
>>41121652
>HOW DARE YOU NOT PAY ATTENTION TO MY FEELINGS
look if you want me to talk about how bad I feel about job and how I relate to his suffering I can but that's not what you asked about
>muh you've never had anything hard happen to you in my life
Even if not so what
Do you want me to jerk you off and cry into your shoulder about how much you're suffering like some kind of little girl or do you want reality

>>41113531 (OP)
because "god" is the devil and no omnipotent god exists

>>41121584
kill yourself
i curse your entire bloodline permanently

>>41113531 (OP)
The suffering and evil are what we come here for. It's what evolves the soul. It's what we come here to experience.

>>41121838
You're the only one talking about feelings here, boomer, and you're so upset you do all caps mass replies lmao. Calm down. You're angry because you have no argument. All you do now is posturing

There is a true higher reality when everyone is happy and can do what they want and enjoy it with full God's presence. This reality is only something we willingly participate in to grow or just to see what's it like to be imperfect. After death we return where we truly belong

>>41121556
Easy there Schlomo

>>41121944
Suffering is just feeling bad
The whole premise of this is feelings
If a deer is burning alive and happy about it is it suffering?
Suffering as a method of knowing anything is feelies
Do what you can with what you have moaning doesnt do anything unless you're getting head

>>41122119
You still have to be 18 to post here. You're a spoiled, pampered child. You have never experienced suffering beyond your mom telling you to shut off your computer and go to bed lmao

>>41122201
>spoiled pampered child
I'm too disabled to be able to work I was raped before I was 7 years old my dad was a schizophrenic so he was legally barred from seeing me when I was 8 etc etc
Suffering is a choice and a feeling

suffering is just resistance. what happens if you accept everything that happens to you no matter what? you dont suffer. if you seek help then you do. its all placebo effect. you feed things fear then it grows stronger. starve it and it goes away. this too shall pass. i like to say, ive learned to like everything in life because hatred is pointless. everything is balance, and pain is part of that. every bit of pain is payment for something pleasurable now or later. birth to death, day to night, up then down, left to right. etc. everything is a balance. you cant have pure success because that means you screw everyone else. and you will be an entitled insufferable faggot that nobody will like. you would not appreciate beauty without death to contrast it. suffering is all in your mind.

It’s very hard for me to put this in a positive light. Here’s the only way I can reasonably hypothesize given a benevolent God:

We are all part of God and his wish is to experience everything. Before existence we cannot fathom the amount of pain and suffering an actual lived life entails. Countless infinite amounts of us choose to endure hard lives because we as the collective Him believe it is an important experience to have. There’s so much pain and suffering, but ultimately we’re all allowed to rest and return to the whole. Maybe there’s some solace in that?