Thread 41324260

Why's everyone always hating on the Demiurge?
It's not his fault
>Sophia decides to be a slut and create life by herself
>Is ashamed and aborts it into the void
>ENTER OUR HERO
>Demiurge Yaldabaoth awakes in a void, alone and ignorant of the preceding events
>Rightfully assumes he must be God or whatever, and gets to creating a Universe
>It's pretty good. Not the Pleroma, but it's not the worst thing ever made. Sophia's remnant spark is responsible for most of this, but Yaldabaoth himself is not without skill
>AGAIN IT'S NOT HIS FAULT HE WAS ABORTED AS A RETARD INTO A BLANK VOID AND GIVEN GOD POWERS
>AS IF YOU'D DO ANY BETTER UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES
>HE'S YOUR DAD BY THE WAY
>creates Life (he's your dad, you are the spawn of Yaldabaoth) and it unintentionally inherits some of the spark of Sophia (cunt)
>Everything is still fine until Sophia's messenger the faggot snake ruins everything and turns your imperfect but otherwise happy and self-sustaining creation against you

Yaldy is the good guy
He's our dad
What, the entire material universe isn't enough for you?
You need to chase some spark of enlightenment from the whore that aborted our Father into the void in shame in the first place?

>>41324260 (OP)

Congrats. I think you just broke Gnosticism.

>>41324260 (OP)
It's always been strange to me that others didn't get that interpretation.

>>41324366
What, siding with the demi-urge because it's the logical thing to do is what breaks it?

It was that easy?
OP here btw

>>41324391
also btw I'm confused what to think about Jesus now
like should I countersignal him or not?
just trying to do whatever helps Yaldy

I like the Material World
I think it's pretty good
I am happy with it, I don't want Sophia's ruination to fuck with us any more

AND ONE MORE THING
if our own father was cast into the void in shame, what makes any of you guys think the Pleroma or the Monad want anything to do with you either?

You're the offspring of something that was already aborted in shame into the void of ignorance
That "divine spark" inside of you is an ACCIDENT that your grandma is ASHAMED OF

Op here
Im Trans btw
Not that that matters

>>41324391

Kinda. Everyone seems to just try and escape here. Nobody just talks to the guy for once.

>>41324514
I don't even see the point in "escaping"
to where? to do what?

>>41324406
You're taking the myths too literally. God is within you. The demiurgical ego blocks the way between you and the Divine, so must be demoted before the finite self can be sublimated.

>>41324528
>God is within you
Nah, there's no way something that great is within any human being
If you think that about yourself you're delusional

>>41324517
Smite my enemies

>>41324534
How open minded of you. I'm sure you belong here.

>>41324536
...huh?

>>41324542
How sarcastic of you. I'm sure you love to judge where people belong.
heard it all before
you're old news and you haven't contributed anything to the conversation

thanks

>>41324546
That's your comeback? You think your worth a hill of beans

>>41324550

thanks

>>41324551
Die. Mr. Delusional

>>41324554
Thank you very much for your unique insights

>>41324558
Same to you.

>>41324534
There is nothing outside the One Self of God. The appearance of an external reality is an illusion.

>>41324561
Do you think if you say "die" to people it actually makes them die faster?
It doesn't
so why did you say that?

>>41324566
Says who?

>>41324572
God, by definite, is independent of all conditioned consciousness.

>>41324579
wooooow
that doesn't mean anything

>>41324579
He's a baiting retard

>>41324590
No I'm being completely serious, you're all just having an agent smith breakdown because you're not used to somebody siding WITH Yaldabaoth even after realizing what the game is

>>41324597
Oh apologies then. Please continue

>>41324597
You're siding with your own blind ego. Nothing extraordinary about that.

>>41324609
What's wrong with taking my own side?

The demiurge too is a victim. This cycle will not end until women can finally be put into eternal bondage and never allowed one shred of agency again.
Total foid slavery.

>>41324634
agreed
just look at all of sophia's simps already coming out of the woodwork

>>41324260 (OP)
why are mom and dad always fighting?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MPHyR92MQic&pp=0gcJCQYKAYcqIYzv

>>41324260 (OP)
What is the basis for believing any of this? Are there historical texts discussing it?
It seems like it's literally all just some occultists fanfic.

>>41324260 (OP)
>The Demiurge is Actually the Good Guy
No

>>41324669
He's your creator

>>41324695
Being is uncreated. Only the content of consciousness is created. And the content of this mortal world is fundamentally incomplete.

>>41324669
Praise kek.

>>41324260 (OP)
YHWH doesnt have a mother you guys are retarded lol

shoo, Valentinus, your spiel has no power here
>>41324366
no he didnt, he just said Valentinian nonsense

>>41324260 (OP)
>Hera gives birth to Hephaestus without Zeus's participation
>Throws him into the sea (the Abzu abyss)
>He is described as just as ugly and lame as the Gnostic Demiurge
>Hephaestus even tries to take revenge on Hera

It's all about the same thing. I think there's an Egyptian original, and even a Sumerian one, but it's lost. The Greek and Gnostic myths are based on a more ancient text.

>>41324695
He did not create us, he stole us and trapped us in flesh.
Creation is finished and this is poor imitation made from spite and ignorance.

>>41324695
No, Monad and Sophia are

>>41324517

>to where?

Really, it is just a reduncancy issue. Ofc a curious mind would always try to look past its current set of limitations, that is a given ...

>>41324490
It doesnt bro

What if the idea of Sophia itself is something made up by matriarchal jews, who themselves are the “demiurges” chosen creation? Personally I have never considered Soohia to be a oart of my own Gnostic beliefs, seeing it as a Jewish inversion of the truth. Also creation is male, the void is female. Thats why matrix and maya start with Ma.
Captcha : >SAR

>>41327056
>What if the idea of Sophia itself is something made up by matriarchal jews
Sophia, both the word, and the person, comes from the Greeks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophia_(wisdom)

>>41327076
>wikipedia
Did you even read the link you sent?

>>41324260 (OP)
i respect your take.
but the issue here is that you are committing the same error as the fundamentalists/literalists - these are metaphors/allegories relating to your inner reality, but you took it literally.
most allegories do not survive literal inspection, they were never meant to. nonsense arises.
some other guy already corrected your mistake.

but lets have fun - lets assume its all literal: your take is rational.
the true evil is the heartless mother who discarded his retarded son.
sophia must pay.

i could pose a counter fanfic though: those outside the void (sophia et. al) did not forsake yaldi-chan nor the divine sparks. in fact, the divine sparks are the medicine, inserted into the void to cure and uplift yaldi-chan.
evil is not overcome by evil, but by good, saved/transformed into good.
the christian myth is explicitly shows how that the good/perfect descends into evil/imperfect to redeem it and to perfect it:
fire and brimstone, reserved for the fallen ones, is a cleansing bath, not sadistic torture.

look into the usage of brimstone. it was used to purify.

yaldi chan is gonna be made perfect, through us the divine sparks. that is the secret.

however there is no redemption for that hoe, sophia!! fk her

>>41324260 (OP)
Yeah I get it, you just hate women.
Sophia didn't make a mistake.
The demiurge was never the bad guy.
You are all retarded.
This was intentional.

>>41324260 (OP) It's only natural to want to escape this existence. Any advanced individual or civilization would prioritize transcending the limitations of a material body. Humans are overrated.

>>41324566
It is true that nothing is outside of God, but it is lunacy if a cell believes it is the person. Everything is part of God, but we are not God. Being part of something and being something is different.

I posted about this yesterday
>>>41322670

I disagree that Grandma doesn't want us back. Grandmas hate their kids but their grand children can do no wrong. I believe Grandma wants us back desperately, because we are completely innocent.

>>41327293
God is the "I Am" within you.

This isn't a new observation.
>The Demiurge is a sadist
Vs
>The Demiurge is blind and retarded and this was the best it could do

Has been argued back and forth for millennia.

>>41324260 (OP)
He wont answer my prayer to destroy my soul or at the very least kill my physical body.
Infact it seems like the more I want to die the harder he makes it. Ive failed suicide so many fucking times
I literally saw somebody getting mugged at knife point last week and I walked over asking them to stab me and the niggers just left looking confused.
The other guy thanked me but I didnt do it for him, I just want death

>>41329310
He can't destroy souls, they're from a higher emination than him
All he can do is create a system that keeps souls here constantly reincarnating
My whole point is that this isn't so bad. The material world is full of violence, it's confusing, it's unoptimized, it's painful and retarded, but it's also all we know. Everything you love is from here. People go on and on about wanting to "escape" to the "source" as if they even know what that means.
To know Yaldabaoth and what his laws are, you only need to look at the natural world around you
>I just want to die bro I even go out of my way to try to die but I just can't die! I can't even suicide correctly!
First of all, weak. If you wanted it that bad, you'd pick one of the surefire methods. Second, you're commiting a kind of blasphemy. Every other living thing around you will do anything in its power to preserve its life when the rubber meets the road, even the most basic organism has an in-built system of "I do not want to die"
Embrace that
The next time you see a piece of roadkill that's not quite dead yet, squirming and struggling on the baking asphalt, take a good look at it. That's the World. It's beautiful.

>>41324260 (OP)
The world was created by God, the aeons, Logos/Sophia, but after the creations of the demiurg he and his creations took control of the material world, deforming it, and making a cruel place of it, where everyone eats each other to live, where anger and pain are the princes, the evil and ignorant rule over men

>>41329667
Why would he do that?

>>41329667
It's interesting this way. This is a Hardcore PVP server. You may have misrolled.

>>41324260 (OP)
The Demiurge is probably Saturn. Whether or not he was well intentioned is irrelevant. Once what they were doing wasn't working (micromanaging all creations) they needed to step aside and let someone else handle it. Hence the snake coming and giving the creations divine purpose and free will. Obviously Saturn is a bitch and controls the narrative flipping everything on it's head.

>>41324260 (OP)
>DAE the bad guy is....le good?!?
this trope is so played out and it's shit fuck you

>>41329745
Well he's not bad
He's just the creator of the physical world around you, which contains everything you've ever enjoyed along with everything you've ever hated
He doesn't deserve your scorn
You should say "thank you"

>>41327278

I'd rather stay here and slaughter all the pedos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtPfBCrX6EU

>>41324514
The actual solution isn't to run away from the Demiurge or strike him down with violence, but to show forgiveness, compassion, and understanding towards him. We are all him, and he is all of us. Should we all do this, we take part of the Demiurge with us when we don't run in fear from him, but mature to the point it's time for us to quietly and happily leave.

The Buddha described life as being in a burning house. Our father built this house and unknowingly set it ablaze, and we are suffering with him in it. Our job is to put the fire out and leave with him to the forest.

>>41329241
To be specific, the observations are

>the Demiurge is malevolent and cruel
>the Demiurge is ignorant/incompetent
>the Demiurge is kind and noble, but imperfect
>the Demiurge is benevolent but his archons are the real bad guys running things behind his back
>the Demiurge is one and the same with the universe (there is no one singular entity in control)

>>41324260 (OP)

demiurge - eir ged um - Eire geld sum

>>41327161
>these are metaphors/allegories relating to your inner reality
So it's just a Jungian larp?

>>41324260 (OP)
>What, the entire material universe isn't enough for you?
No, it isn't. I demand existence in an immaterial void, lacking any sensory experience, a sense of self or cognition.

>>41324260 (OP)
demiurge/satan/shaitan/etc are just copes trying to keep the highest divinity's hands clean of the suffering we experience in the cosmos.
The truth is that the All encompasses and transcends everything, the good and bad
Trying to create a separate lower entity to blame makes no difference in the end, since the highest power should be able to sweep them away with no effort
Inb4:
>the highest power is keeping them around to teach us moral lessons
If that's the case the other entity is still redundant, the highest might as well be teaching us those lessons himself. The middleman changes nothing.

>>41324260 (OP)
>Slut shaming Sophia
Nice try but you're the demiurge's fart dream anon

>>41331457 Spirit is genderless, immortal, and divine, having no need for reproduction. Both of you are shills.

>>41331457
Sophia clearly made a mistake, the onus is on her

I have no idea who Sophia is, but if she exists, she is also a demiurgic goddess just like the demiurge, Samael, Yaldabaoth, Satan or whoever.

>>41331562
Probably comes from Judaism

AIN SOPH AUR

>Soph

>>41324260 (OP)
Ok, fag, listen here, I know the church is offering money, but listen here, FAGGOT:
Gnosticism says there are only 7 planets.
There.
>But muh church said
I am the target, nerd. I'm a gnostic in the sense that I have a modernish belief that is based on certain experiential Knowledge, how in FUCKING HELL the church thinks this is xir game eludes me.
Further on:
I am a demon, be sure to thank the church for wanting to turn a demon into a demon.
>What
Your mental diarrhea is leaking, we were just a bunch of God turned demons who killed jenus penus, stop looking for gnostic shite, you wont find it.

>>41331562
who is the One True God?

>>41331605
Nigra, lhp has you turnong into a god, would you be a fake?

>>41331609
>Nigra, lhp has you turnong into a god, would you be a fake?
Nigra?
lhp?
turnong?

I have no idea what you said.

Nice try, archon. You're gonna have to try harder than that.

>>41331605
AIN ?

>>41331562
>>41331589
>>41331605
>>41333585
Although I personally consider the gods below Kether to be demiurgic, and above them possibly real.

>>41324669
how is the o9a anti demiurge?

>>41331605
Ain = Monad = The Source = The One = Nirvana = Dao = Brahman (Om)

>>41329726
I bet you're the kind of fatassed pussy who can't even do a single push-up.

>>41324260 (OP)
The demiurge is self replicating. This experience is the clones dream. Only one of us will be "waking up" from the dream when the clone is fully formed and functional.
I could be wrong. But who knows there's all sorts of ridiculous beliefs and disciplines regarding occult/esoterica.

>>41334108
Swing and a miss
but if it makes you feel better to imagine me that way, do whatever helps you cope

>>41324260 (OP)
>>41324391
>>41324396
>>41324406
>>41324534
shut up demiurgic shabbosnigger, Yaldaboath is the niggest nigger to ever nig in the bleak vantablack negrosity of the Kenoma and all of torturous human history and nonsense cultic monstrosity is his tyrannical chimpout over us being better than him for holding the spark he cannot and will never have

>>41329971
What about
>the demiurge is a malevolent, cruel, ignorant incompetent slavishly subject to his own brutal imperfection, who blindly allows his fractured schizoid archon-automatons to do the heavy lifting of gaslighting all inhabitants of false reality by gangstalking all consciousnsess everywhere and actively warping the fabric of the world that is his being

>>41324260 (OP)
>>41324406
The Jews actually worship Sophia it seems, the Jews call it/her Ein'sof and believe we all(us gentile goys) have shards-souls or remnants as you call them inside us that they eventually need to release so the shards become whole again(this involves killing all of us and end times prophecy of the Jews)

Yald-demiurge-The Father-God : I think is the entity the rest of the Christian and pagan world worship, we all worship the God and universal religion of the tower of Babel, which was scattered into pagan religions and indigenous peoples religions by God against the Aryan-cro magnon biblical aryans, but reformed into a New universal religion again when Christ was sent by God-demiurge.

It's all quite complicated.

>>41335864
Why do you hate him so much? He didn't ask to be created and dumped in the void. He's doing his best with what he was given, same as any of us.

>>41335902
>The Jews actually worship Sophia it seems, the Jews call it/her Ein'sof and believe we all(us gentile goys) have shards-souls or remnants as you call them inside us that they eventually need to release so the shards become whole again(this involves killing all of us and end times prophecy of the Jews)
Yes this seems to be true
The concept of Tikkun Olam ("healing the world") on its surface seems like an inocuous statement of a will to do good, but it really betrays the fact that they believe the act of creation was fundamentally a mistake, that their God was somehow "damaged" or "shattered" in the process and the only good end for creation is for all things to return to their original form of pure melded Oneness
hence the abolition of all dividing lines, good/evil, male/female, all must be dissolved and coagulated back to the origin

>>41335916
Exactly

Hey did you know that Jews are actually a Aryan offshoot people (though they are now mixed with lesser races and nephilim) because the Israelites were just a redhaired Aryan offshoot people of the Redhead Aryan Cromagnon man who had begun at creation with Adam the first redhead all the way down to redhead Christ. Our people left "Atlantis" around the Ice age-Biblical flood period and built the tower of babel which later caused us to stop worshiping the universal religion and the Maker/Creator/God so then we went pagan even though Zeus, Wotan, Odin, Irish creation myths, Blackfoot Indian and other indo creation myths are actually all the same thing but fractured just like the story of the tower of babel.

That's all part my overarching theory of creation myth and the History of the Aryan race, there's plenty more to it though.

>>41335916
Pic rel

>>41335988
You're definitely right about the ancient red-haired people
From what I can gather, they originally lived in North America on the steppes of the glaciers, until obviously that became untenable in recent history, and then migrated down slowly south through north, central, and south America bringing their knowledge with them
They seem to have been accomplished stoneworkers, mound-builders, and copper-workers who also had unusually advanced knowledge of astronomy and sailing.
At some point, they left South America over both oceans in both directions, clearly some ending up in Egypt with their history of red-haired, fair skin royalty.

>>41336010
My theory Pt 1:

The original "white race"(Aryans) had all kinds of little offshoots. After the great flood, one little offshoot became the Israelites(the non race mixed originals). Other Aryans went to scythia and ancient Europe possibly even north America. They all originally worshiped the same universal religion which later on separated into different religions(tower of babel allegory or historical reality).

Aryans came from somewhere before the Biblical flood, "Atlantis" whatever you want to call it. But they settled the levant, ancient ancient Egypt and Europe and maybe North America, even some little colonies in lands of mud people like south America and Asia.

Christianity was created by a Aryan offshoot people and that's why he Christ also redhead'd (in extension all Aryans) can trace his history all the way to Adam a Redhead, (the man made in gods image) to before the Biblical flood.

Christianity is a white religion created by white men in the levant and Jews are the tribes that race mixed.

Almost all of you worship a religion created by Redhead white gods.

These modern Indians are not the ancient north American Aryan civilization, they the native Americans do have some of the ancient Aryan blood past down through 10,000ish years of interaction with those ancient post flood Aryans though.

It weirdly lends some validity to Joseph smiths indo-aryan-israelite theory.

>>41336010
My theory Pt 2:

Look at pic rel and tell me that the Blackfoot creation myth is much different than, God, Zeus, Odin,Wotan, Maker,Creator, Irish creation myths.

The Blackfoot creation myth and Biblical creation myth are a near 1:1 of eachother. The Blackfoot had ancient Aryan ancestors in North America that passed this info down to the people.

I figured it out bro.

Matches my theory of biblical pre flood ice age Aryans having spread around the world after the flood bringing red haired genes from "Atlantis"(Tower of babel) to all corners of the known world and this is why red hair seems to pop up in these brown/Jewish populations around the world. The Greeks depicted many gods with Red hair , the Nords have red haired gods , Egyptians had red head high priests and leaders, Our Biblical Adam is a red head and Esau-Joseph, king David, then Christ himself a red head from this line of red heads. Achilles the demigod was a Red head. Atilla the hun was a Redhead....the ancient story's from ameri-indians tell of red head giants and so do other tribal people from Afghan etc.

There is one God...the lesser gods of all other Pantheons are Angels and many of them have red hair.

Creation myth is literally the tale of the Redhaired Aryan-Cromagnon race.

>>41335864
>holding the spark he cannot and never will have
This is the attitude that bothers me
You act as if that spark of sophia is all You, that it's what makes you up and makes you special and better
You may have a bit of the spark, but that was gifted to you, you didn't earn it. And it's not the totality of who you are. You are still a product of this imperfect material world, it has shaped you, and you've shaped it. It's not something that's beneath you as if you yourself are the pure light of Sophia
You're in here with all of us, including Yaldabaoth, you are no better or worse.

I don't believe in the Demiurge for the same reason I don't believe in Jesus or whoever.
I have never met any of these guys and I'm not going to pretend I have

>>41336168
comparison doesn't really hold up considering even people who deny his divinity still agree that Jesus of Nazareth was a real person
lotta contemporary historians wrote about him, he was a real guy

what?