Thread 41337699

Welcome. The purpose of this general is to show you how to use your own wonderful human imagination to achieve your every desire.

The world and all within it is man’s conditioned consciousness objectified. Consciousness is the cause as well as the substance of the entire world. So it is to consciousness that we must turn if we would discover the secret of creation. Knowledge of the law of consciousness and the method of operating this law will enable you to accomplish all you desire in life.

Your assumptions right now decide how long that will take for you.

The Main Concepts:
> Imagination creates Reality
> Assumptions harden into fact
> Consciousness is the only Reality
> Feeling is the Secret
> Prayer, Living in the End/In the Wish Fulfilled (remaining Faithful to your Idea)
> You are the Operant Power
> There is no one to change but Self (Self-Concept)
> Thinking Fourth-Dimensionally (Time is an Illusion)

> Can I manifest ___?
Yes! Creation is finished.

> Curious? Do the Ladder Experiment
pastebin.com/yXqanLu6

> The Simple Technique
https://pastebin.com/LNwqkDms

> Who is Neville Goddard?
Neville was a mystic who taught the Bible as a parable of the human psyche — a great psychological drama — and not a record of historical events.

Recommendations for beginners:
> How to manifest your desires (Core 5 Lessons & Radio Talks)
mega.nz/folder/V8ESkKzC#bHIFV4BxgHk7ksf6Pwq_-Q

> Neville's Feeling is the Secret
files.catbox.moe/rrsh2g.pdf
files.catbox.moe/wwq24r.epub
> Audiobook
http://youtu.be/ffNWoefuwPM

> Audiobook
http://youtu.be/_UoGV6LBwds

—/ Extra resources /—
>Master Index
pastebin.com/Ne1Tms8S

> Universal Line
drive.google.com/drive/folders/1X9dB7eDI5RcHOBvixGjAhZ_lgJjJIhGq
https://files.catbox.moe/fxv61u.pdf

> Library
mega.nz/folder/Ns9mhDSC#iKKxSnq5EoG_GxYLeylrSg

Previous thread: >>41311478

>>41335815
>Also, why on Earth would you want to be shorter, lol? Are you a woman?
and another reason why living here is bad if you're serious about this. the "you can only desire maybe two things and everything else is bad" faggots.
>>41336985
Literally go for whatever you want. A lot of people fail because they try to go for something they are told they need but they don't want or something they have assumed is always attached to something they don't want or like (phobias, a gf with faults, you have to work hard to get money and you don't like/can't have a job, "that's impossible", etc.)
As I've said this multiple times in these threads and know the "reactions", time to add, the antifaggot disclaimer: I'm not telling you you can't go for the basic "lot of pussy and money" that the normiehood in these threads always gravitate to. But going for whatever you REALLY WANT and solving your urgent shit first will make getting it easier.

Am I doing it wrong when I don't tell my self any stories during the day?
I just do SATS and affirm a few times a day randomly, I make sure to focus on cultivating the feelings of peace and security during my day to day life that I would have if my wish was fulfilled, but I see many who tell themselves: "I have it" or "I am so glad I have it" and so on, I also see many who affirm everytime a negative thought pops up to their heads, my self I just ignore such thought, I don't affirm or counter them in any way besides of stillness, I fear I am being too lazy in regards to my internal monologues, even when I have lots of doubts and intrusive thoughts like: "where is it?" and "what if i fail" I never try to affirm against them or tell my self: "It is already here" or "I will get results eventually"
am I doing it right?

Manifesting isn't hard, I don't know how you all manage to overcomplicate it so much. You assume, you persist, it's done. That's all you have to do. You don't need eight-hour subliminals, 30 pages of overscripting, or a $140 """coach""" to hold your hand. The law is thought-based, think from it, not about it. If you're new, sure, your head will wobble, so what. Just keep returning to the end until it feels boring and normal.

Stop resonating with every piece of content like a seismograph. Not every tarot read, tiktok, or doompost is a sign. If a video punches your gut and goes against your end, why would you let that live in your head? Close it.

Also quit contradicting yourself. If you already have it, why are you bitching in these threads about not having it? Living in the end means you don't climb out of the end to spiral, waver, and post cope here. The 3D is a mirror, stop tapping the glass and start changing the face you're wearing. Commit to the new story and stay there. Hot and cold comes from you jumping in and out, not from the universe being confusing.

SP loves you? Then keep it. You're rich? Keep it. Your body is exactly how you want it? Keep it. If you need a tool, fine, do SATS, five seconds, first-person, already done, and then drop it. No more rituals to "make it work," no more scavenger hunts for proof. Pick the end. Rest. Persist. The mirror will catch up.

>>41336454
I mean, the concept is simple. Undestanding it is another thing but that's why you do the preparatory resolve, you read the text varius times, the command session have a repeat part, etc. But the concept IS simple so there is not much someone can do to try to explain it to anyone else.
>have intent means nothing to me
Don't overcomplicate it. Use real, feet on the ground metaphors at first so you understand. Pretty sure you've wanted something from a store while you're home and you've gone to the store and buy it with the INTENT of having it or you've called a delivery with the intent it gets home. You do the going to the store and the call with the intent of getting the thing you want. It's the WHY you're doing something. In your command sessions is the reason why you do it (as in the text, the classic $10k). You're doing it to get your desire.
>become your desire
Here you have to understand why you're UL even when you're a flesh and bone person because this part is abstract. It's not something you can directly experience like ridding a bike. That's why you need preparatory resolve and to read the text until you start getting it. But to help you, it's just something you just know. Like your computer. You know it uses binary numbers but you don't need to know binary and how the computer uses it to use the computer. You just need to Know the computer does its binary thing. Here is the same. You know UL is everything, one thing, etc. Then you know that if UL is everything, UL can become everything. Then you know you're UL, OAP, etc. So the logic thing is, you, as UL command Yourself (UL) to become your desire because everything is UL becoming something.
>being UL
You just do nothing. You simply be for some moment. You don't try to solve it. You don't try to think about anything. You just relax and let you be UL, OAP, your Higher Self. For some this is the harder part and that's why you need preparatory resolve an repetition. I hope it helps.
Life is fun.

>>41337892
If your stillness actually drops the charge, you're fine. Neville's Sabbath is resting in the end, not arguing with every neuron. Inner talk and affirmations are tools, not commandments. Some anons here need training wheels all day, others can touch SATS, carry the feeling of already done, and ignore the noise. The only time you're ever "doing it wrong" is if ignoring turns into stewing, where "where is it?" keeps being your dominant state. If a doubt pops and you genuinely shrug and slide back into peace, you already won. If it hooks you, just touch one five-second end scene or a single line like "done," then drop it. Don't turn the day into whack-a-mole or a mantra marathon, that keeps you in the middle. Judge by baseline, does the desire feel like old news, do you feel safe and indifferent to 3D? Then you're in the state. If thinking about it tightens your chest, add a light inner conversation from the end and move on. Lazy is letting the question live in your head, relaxed is letting the answer be your default. Keep doing SATS, keep the peace feeling. Use words only if silence isn't holding.

>>41337963
So I read UL yesterday. In one of the texts, he claims time and space need a third thing to present them. Then the goes on about this field being invisisible, omnipresent, non-dimensional, all-pervasive and all inclusive. Now I've spent some time thinking about this page and I understand it, I get how this field is all those things, but not all-inclusive. How is it all-inclusive just because it references time and space? It is one indivisible boundless thing, but how does it contain time, space, man car and landscape?

>>41337991
You know the field is one thing and can be only one.
You know the field is indivisible, because being able to divide it would make it two or more things.
Imagine the field contains everything except something, a certain thing. This implies that there is the field that contains everything but that thing and the certain thing. Now you have two things and no just one thing.
If the field is one thing and it's indivisible, it has to to be all-inclusive or it is not one thing.

>>41337975
Thanks for the valueable comment.

I know I asked this already but what do you guys think of this track played on repeat with headphones? Could it be useful for inducing sats?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=un_xv--zq58&pp=ygUiU3RhbGtlciBQc3kgdm9pY2VzIGJyYWluIHNjb3JjaGVyIA%3D%3D

>>41338057
Yeah this is my blockage, I fail to see how the field would contain anything in it at all, except the thing that is, Pure Existence/Presence. It references time and space because T/S are two things, so it has to be "bigger" than T/S making it eternal spaceless indivisible all that. But all-inclusive makes it a big jump for me, like there's a step missing explaining how it contains everything.

But let me think on your comment even with my present issue, say it only is indivisible one thing but with nothing in it and on other have we have many things. And then we have time and space and all other 3D stuff. Well this would mean that, this one field being indivisible means all other things are fully filled by it, so everything is still one indivisible thing. And if you remove no-thing from them, they disappear. If you remove no-thing itself , there would be nothing to reference time space and all the variations and they would all be gone. So all-inclusive like this? I still have a hard time accepting this particular idea within the text, i may need some different thinking experiment

>>41337949
>If you already have it, why are you bitching in these threads about not having it?
Thanks for all these advices anon.
The text I quoted from you is because some of us tried this for a long time with no result that's why we came here sharing and asking for advice or complaining. We dont do this for fun, we were living like if we had our stuff but after some times (months) not getting it in the 3d that's understandable we feel confused. We're just humans and we have to use our senses after some times, if these senses tell us there is no Stacy in the bed next to us, even if you convinced your mind of the contrary for months, it's normal to end up delulu.
People who still persist after this are very courageous and strong minded. I hope they don't end up depressed though

>>41337963
This is one of the beat explanation of UL I came across. Thank you very much for explaining all of that and replying to all my interrogations, you gave me motivation to persist. <3

>>41337963
Does this UL concept works for people around us? I mean can we use it to manifest someone a better health for example? Or does it only work with the person who is actually practicing UL?
My evil side will tell you "then why don't you manifest a better world all together with peace and abundance for everyone" :)

>>41337975
You are very gifted to explain things anon. You should sell courses . Lol just kidding.
Thanks for all the help you bring to the table, very much appreciated.

>>41338402
There's no real limit to what you can do as long as you can accept it faithfully as fact. As for evil, I have a hypothesis that evil and bad things are something of a mirror, serving as an example of "I don't want to be THAT", and allowing you to be good by virtue of the disparity between good and evil.

>>41338416
Like how Bob Ross always says you can't have light without also having dark.

Hi can you do sats for 2 wishes at a time ? If you craft a scene in your mind that shows the 2 things you want, it should be good?

>>41338437
Yes because in sats you're not asking for things but impersonating the version of yourself that has them

There are mysterious powers at work.

>>41338233
When that happens, try to simplify the analogy, the same way you do when you study physics. You don't take all the variables at one but just some of them and that helps you to understand movement, force, etc. Do the same here.

I will start telling you your last part is on point. You're getting it. It's normal not to understand it fully because this is something you can't really comprehend fully. Remember how presence/totality has to use limited perception to experience growth. As anon, flesh and bone, you can understand it until certain point but that doesn't mean you can know how something is and works because you don't fully understand it. Again, remember computers. You don't need to comprehend totally and exactly how a processor works to know how it works and to use it. Your knowledge about it is enough for the processor to do things for you. Your intuition is on point and you're getting it.
>But all-inclusive makes it a big jump for me, like there's a step missing explaining how it contains everything.
Lets reduce it to the space in one room for the sake of making it easier to understand. That space is all what is. That space is our field, our one thing. You exist in that space. Does the space you occupy stop existing when you're in it? No. It's occupied but is still there. It contains your body and if you move, it's not created, it was already there and always has been.
Again, you're into good track and the explanation you did sounds better to answer your question that me trying to explain it. You get it.

I am scared of my negative thoughts manifesting

>>41338624
>the same way you do when you study physics
NTA but I'm glad you're a scientist or at least have scientific knowledge, and still don't dismiss LoA or things like this we don't comprehend.
Scientists are generally bitches, if they can't measure something then it doesnt exist and you're a moron if you dare thinking otherwise.
Science, the true one is about questioning keeping an open mind all the contrary of what ih has become now.
Parenthesis closed.

>>41338402
With UL you have to part from the concept what you're experiencing is your own private "dream".
UL makes everything becoming everything. Now, as a person that is part of UL, you're UL because it's indivisible. Even if you're "just anon", you're still all of it. So as You, simply being UL, become whatever to do or get whatever, you can do whatever you want.
You can become perfect health for someone, even if is not your body, even if is an strange, even if it's a dog, or a tree, or a snail. Even a wall, because as UL, Totality, Presence, you're pure intelligence so there is no "uhmmmm achktualy you can heal a wall". It's more like "yeah I know what do you mean when you say the wall is hurt and I know how to heal it".
It works with everyone because everyone is UL. Remember, UL become things to create everything so yes, UL can do whatever you want because everything is UL.
>My evil side will tell you "then why don't you manifest a better world all together with peace and abundance for everyone" :)
Then do it if you really want to do it. Like Neville said in some place i don't really remember right now, "give them what they want". I do it a lot, not because karma or "being a good boy" or something like that but because is fun. In my views, my reality is more fun when people is not suffering, when people get help, when people get their dreams, etc.
So yes, if you want to help others being UL, you can do it.

>>41338669
I also often wake up with panic attacks in the morning, I know the subconscious mind is more receptive during the drowsy time of the day so I get extra scared that the negativity and anxiety of my mornings ends up manifesting.

I have a question.
How does a thought manifest, as in what process takes place behind the entire time period between you imagining it and getting the result, whether it be getting money, meeting someone or whatever else?
I know someone theorized and compared thoughts to electromagnetic waves and used the double slit experiment as an example, but in that experiment the wave materialized only in the form of smallest particles when measured.
What equals to the measurement in the context of thoughts and ideas? If manifestation is always certain, what and how is the wish created?

>>41338712
why do you wake up with anxiety?

>>41338767
as soon as I wake up I start to get intrusive thoughts relating to all sorts of things in life, my heart rate speeds up too

>>41338695
Yeah, not a scientist but have some study/background.
The thing about science is, those are assumptions you had had all your life like it or not so you can't just easilly dismiss them. To unlearn is HARD so is better to leverage on what you already know and use it to help you, without forgetting you're in control and override whatever is on your way to get or do something. Some call it "the natural law" but in UL terms I would describe it as "is how things has been all your life".
I had been a religious person too for some part of my life and I've been interacting with some form of /LoA/ since mid-late teens so I've got my own good and bad proofs that there is something there so even if I were a scientist I couldn't dismiss it. You can't really measure it. You can't really give proof to others (that again, doesn't matter, the only proof that you need and you can trust is the one you get yourself) so science and most scientific persons will be a bitch. They just can't harness there is a subjective, not measurable truth out there, as the color of something, that is just some light wavelengths reflected, is for a blind person.

>>41338707
Yeah thanks for your input i'm the above anon >>41338233

I will definitely go to that direction, thinking about that empty room and everything in it.
What were most helpful PDFs that helped you grasp it? There are so many and I've only read two yesterday.

Oh and I wanna do a session tomorrow, so what prep resolve img you recommend?

Much appreciated

>>41338669
Negative don't manifest because they popped up once, they manifest because you marry them with fear, meaning, and repetition. The thought isn't the problem, the state you keep returning to is. When a nasty idea flashes, that's just brain weather. It only bites when you clutch it, argue with it, and check the mirror to see if it "worked."

Treat them like spam calls, notice, hang up, go back to your life. If one hooks you, touch a five-second end scene or say one word, done, and drop it. Don't start a mantra war. The fear of “what if my thoughts manifest" is the real manifestation you're feeding, that's selection too. Pick the end. Rest there. Let trash pass.

>>41338742
No one knows why manifestation works, even Neville said he didn't know how it worked. There are theories, but no one knows why this happens, but it does.

>everything is ponserbel
Just start saying it like that instead of "everything is possible" and problem solved

>>41338838
> even Neville said he didn't know how it worked.
Did he at least say what happens exactly? People mention something like bridge of incidence or whatever

>>41338624
>it's not created, it was already there and always has been
I understand you have to be extra confident the thing you want to happen has already happened. In a way you have to be extra self confident. So I'm asking, isn't this stuff just a method for self-improvment, to work on your self-confidence. As we know self confident people often attract good things and good people in their life, maybe it's all about this? (which is already great, make no mistake about my thought).

What does UL mean? universal line?

>>41338903
Extra mega confidence won't magically give you million out of thin air in your room will it? Oh but it will if you know it will come if you expect IT can come out of thin air.

>>41338910
Yes

>>41339082
isn't that related to the /one/ threads and theory? I always hear the 2 of them together

>>41338953
>Extra mega confidence won't magically give you million out of thin air in your room will it?
I guess not lol, but UL neither if we are talking about millions or you'd be a millionnaire :)
But self confidence can very likely bring you a lot of money indirectly (like LOA, bridge of incidents) by landing a good paying job or great carrer opportunities (self confidence is very good for that), also a nice gf (self confidence is also very good for this). See? It seems very easy to confuse UL/LOA with self confidence.

>>41338886
Yeah, it's not like he gave a physics model for this stuff, he just described the process. You assume the end as fact, drop it (Sabbath), and then a bridge of incidents shows up, totally ordinary-looking steps that line up to your end. You don't script the how, you get walked across it. Halfway through it can look opposite (breakups before the relationship, job loss before the better offer, "wrong numbers" before a lotto win). If you panic and start checking, you step off the bridge. People and events mirror your state ("your world is yourself pushed out"). If you botch a scene, use the pruning shears of revision, rewrite it in imagination, accept that as what happened, and keep resting in the end. That's the extent of Neville's explanation. The WHY is mystery, the what is assumption, rest, bridge, fact.

>>41339234
We're talking about magic here bro, not these normie average guy goals. New bodies, curing chronic illness, infinite money without working, having superpowers, reducing sleep to only 1-2 hours and it feels like you slept 8 hrs. Just few basic ideas i'm giving you not to blown your mind too much

>>41339298
But do I really have to go through the bad stuff and get tested by the bridge so to speak, or can I simply get my wish relatively soon if it's not a huge one?
For example if I wanna manifest meeting a nice girl or just a few hundred dollars?

>>41338903
Stop using your observations about reality to form your conclusions about how reality works. You're never getting out of the proof loop if don't.

I had 2 major successes but still have a hard time believing in LoA. That's weird, I still think these are coincidences.
First I climbed a ladder after doing sats for this.
Then I manifested to see a very rare object, the bridge of incidents was funny because I planned to go to a place and finally went to another because the first one was unexpectedly closed, and bam I saw the object there.
I still think these are just random life events that would have happened anyway with or without LoA. Our brain is very tough to deal with and convince haha.

I must admit I tried with other more important things but didnt see movement. Maybe emotions interfere now.

It's an interesting concept though.
I still don't think I could manifest billions or becoming the president of my country, but maybe for small stuff with no attachment maybe it could help. Need more testing.

>>41339396
You don't have to get wrecked by tests. The bridge isn't god hazing you, it's just the path your state uses to show up. Sometimes it's clean and same-day, sometimes it shuffles pieces and looks sideways. The only """test""" is whether you flinch and jump back into "not yet."

For small stuff like a girl or a few hundred bucks, it can be stupid fast if it feels natural to you. Pick an end and keep it boring. For the girl, just an inside joke at your place, or a friend saying "you two are cute.l For money, glance at your bank and see +$300, or a refund email subject line. Do SATS, loop five seconds, first-person, already done. Then just drop it. Don't timeline it, don't hunt signs, don't narrate "still waiting."

If something opposite comes up, just call it old script, revise it, and go back to the end. You're not manifesting obstacles, you're just selecting outcomes. Make the end natural, stop meter-reading, and let the bridge do its job.

>>41339234
The troll's mask comes off. How do you if I, or any other anon, don't have a million dollars, or have been successful with UL in other ways? No proof will ever be sufficient for you.

>>41339397
I know you're right anon, but let's be honest too, self confidence can bring the monee and the chicks the same way.
That's true self confidence wont bring this pink flashy ball out of nowhere but can LoA do it too....
Im not saying it can't, I'm just thinking out loud.
Thanks for the thought provoking replies though, appreciated.

>>41339447
"It would have happened anyway" is the 3D's favorite way to gaslight people who are getting into loa lmao, don't let that get to you.

>>41339148
Yeah idk why there is a split, UL and the one stuff is taking loa to its full non dual conclusion, idk why zeland isnt mentioned anymore when that was in loa before as well which is reality transurfing, sounds pretty TG like

>>41339449
>For small stuff like a girl
NTA but I wish I could see getting girls as "small stuff" lol.
Are you kidding it's fucking hard to get a girl nowadays! These animals are tough to capture.

>>41339478
Because zeland is a collection of second causes/unnecessary rules.

>>41339463
I'm sorry you misinterpreted my words, I am not being sarcastic or trolling here (some of you guys are quick to fire the guns) I am just being the devil's advocate here by pointing out something that doesn't seem so farfetched... while applying the techniques taught by LoA coaches including Neville, you could easily gain self confidence, which would by itself get you nice things in your life, no need for a supreme magic power for this.
And you're right I can't say if you are not a millionaire for sure, but there are clues :)
Millionaires don't usually spend their time on this thread I think, but it's just me.
Peace.

>>41339475
>"It would have happened anyway" is the 3D's favorite way to gaslight people who are getting into loa lmao, don't let that get to you.
Yeah and I can easily understand why we can be easily gaslight, this stuff is wild to apprehend when you start doing it.

>>41339478
When none of it works on demand
Then fate takes a hand
Division and confusion
This is true of all cults
Buddhism, Christianity, whatever
Others claim they have an answer and from breakaway units.
This is because none of them have an answer.

>>41339478
Your picrels are very good thanks.
Were these posts written by lilanon? I think it's his way of writing but I could be wrong. The anon talking in this thread about UL and in the previous thread too (you?) also has the same way of writing.
Anyway it's not that important at the end, thanks for sharing.

Reminder to Hide the pajeet pathetic attempt at demoralization

>>41339478
I'm actually the anon that guy was replying to. The issue is that UL completely fails at what it’s supposed to do. When UL stops working for someone, there’s never an actual answer as to why. Within UL, the default response is always you didn’t read deeply enough/yciyc, but that explanation eventually collapses because some people do read and consider it as closely as possible, making sure not to jump to conclusions, and still no instant manifest/a clear pathway to instant manifest.

Picrel basically has to reintroduce the idea that your consciousness is what manifests reality in order for UL to make any sense, intentionally or not. The problem is, that makes UL identical to LoA, inheriting the typical problems while defeating the supposed point of manifesting without having to dig through your mind.

Anyway, this guy (non-answers aside) has since abandoned UL entirely and moved on to the r/castaneda cult, now claiming to have genuine magic powers. That’s fine for him, but trying to merge this into one coherent system makes no sense at all. What does staying in a dark room for three weeks have to do with UL attributes? It’d definitely be condemned by both DanL and JP for unnecessary adding.

>>41339590
No, LilAnon actually argued with this guy several times. In those posts he went by “Raging Boner Anon,” and even when he was posting anonymously he’d end with the signature “Hope that helps, good luck anon.” LilAnon also didn't really ever use waifu images. No ill will toward him, but he tends to start passionately preaching about something before fully understanding it.

>>41339449
> If something opposite comes up, just call it old script, revise it, and go back to the end. You're not manifesting obstacles, you're just selecting outcomes. Make the end natural, stop meter-reading, and let the bridge do its job
Alright this is good advice, thanks I'll try it
>>41339484
It is small stuff when you live a normal life and don't expect God to do everything for you. For example I want to manifest meeting some chick I like, hanging out together and being friends is still a success if you're not selfish

>>41340146
Sounds like lightly-agreeing to me. You're not going to get what you want if you're commanding the opposite.

>>41340396
Yeah but that's like just normal LoA and you were trying to pass it off as a fast-lane improved method?

>>41338166
a bit way too loud imo, I can understanding using stuff to get relaxed and into a trance like, but while going into SATS you want quiet as possible

>>41338786
have you ever thought of stopping doing that?

>>41338842
why are you trying to shoehorn in this bad joke?

>>41338903
It can be. Evaluation is conclusion and conclusion is command. If it is that for you or others, they're not wrong. That's how things has been all life for them. As I said, this is something subjective and non measurable so I have no doubts some people see it like that o like something that can only do things following natural law, etc.
For me, as I said in another post in this thread, it can't be just that. I've seen things, experienced things, both good and bad so I know there is something there more than just acting like a superman just to get some smiles from time to time. That's why I don't like using what other can do as guide (it limits yourself, like losing without even trying) and only trust my own proofs. Stories from others are fun and inspiring but I'm into this for what I've experienced.

>>41340457
What you are you referring to? I'm not the anon in the pic. I'm one of the ones he's responding to.

Holy shit guys I can't stop gooning, every time I goon an attractive women comes to fuck me. Is this a super power? I read that this is basically the law of attraction, my dick gets hard and all the thots come running to jump atop me. Incredible how that works, isn't it?

Broad question but I'm interested in hearing from people who would say LoA or any particular offshoot has improved their life considerably. I'd like to know about your journey and any bumps you'd had along the way. I see so many people speaking authoritatively on the matter but only gotten something mundane or unremarkable with no ability to duplicate it. That being said if you'd had to cycle through methods or even just use no method at all I'm interested in hearing how you got to that point. Especially if you've managed to secure financial security or the fabled real life anime wife. I know its a crapshoot to ask and anyone can lie but I'd like to try anyways and see if there is someone lurking who managed to overhaul their life. I don't necessarily expect that such experience can be replicated 1 to 1 since everyone seems to resonate differently to their desires and how to obtain them but any truly consistent successful testimonial would be very interesting to hear.

>>41341487
Anon, the reason you mostly see "mundane" wins is because most of the people who actually overhaul their lives stop posting play-by-plays. The pattern isn't flashy, pick one end, make it your baseline, and get boringly consistent.

The ones who win don't speedrun methods. They choose a desire they can live from without flinching, do SATS, hold one short implication scene, and quit checking the 3D. The bridge looks just like normal life, only obvious in hindsight. Most bumps are self-inflicted, method hopping, timeline worship, stalking the 3D, turning doubts into melodrama. The rest is the usual detours, a job shift before the raise, a dry spell before the intro. Treat that as continuity, not failure.

Financial security sticks when the end is identity, not a single event. "My net worth compounds every quarter" beats "I need a lump sum ASAP." Those who lock that in get boring confirmations, raises, buyer shows up, money flows their way. Same with the anime wife meme, assume "I am chosen and adored," then imply it with a normal, domestic scene, inside jokes, shared routines.

guys I have been living in the end of manifesting abundant wealth for me and my family and I have literally never felt better and lighter.
So much of my life has been under the control of this poverty mindset and I never gave much credence to how much it fucked up my life to go about hating money and telling myself I didn’t deserve enough. It led to me being enslaved and suffering. I am finally free. LOA has basically saved my life and I was stupid to not have seen it before since I had already manifested a perfect wife, children, car, and now money on demand. I’m finally free. Thanks bros

>manifest money
>instant tax rebate
Thats a good start

>>41338166
>>41340528
The hum is in fact very good and hypnotic, I'd just remove the voices since they're distracting

>>41338742
My wife likes to play "yellow car", and I love her so I will play too. One thing I notice from playing this is that I now pay attention to whole streams of cars trying to pick out a yellow one before she does. Manifesting works in the same way. All you are really doing is training your brain to get better at moving toward the thing you want. Anything you choose to value, your brain will wire toward pointing you toward likely sources of that thing. So cause I'm playing yellow car I'm looking at the cars going the other way, as far down the road as I can. If I'm trying to be successful I'm making a plan that will fill a need, I'm looking up how other people managed to be successful etc. The majority of it is brain wiring or you could call it priming. The four leaf clover is the symbol of luck not just because it's rare but because if you really want one, the best way to do it is to go in a field with a lot of 3 leaf clovers and systematically look at each one until you find one. Action will always be necessary and there is a lot of noise per unit signal. Manifesting is just tuning your consciousness to start acting like you actually want the things you say you want.

>manifest training anon-Mother-kun in the ways of the schizophrenic buddhist
>Finnish tourist appears a the pub i am in attedance at
>Finnish tourist looks like Etsivä keskuspoliisi
i just wanted a girlfriend

>>41342667
now that i have the girlfriend per the usage of appropriate grammatical tense and procedural structure of intracognition
i have become well aware there some inconsistencies with the fabric of irreailty
whom manifested this?
i will send someone to arson your most necessary article of consumption/mean of production

>>41339478
anon, this is brilliant, thank you.

Your thoughts are a weapon. When people realize they actively manifest and create their own realities if they TRULY believe in it, then it's game over unironically. It's why you are bombarded with propaganda, not bombs. Despite being what every mason, magician, thread topic, and even what JESUS said.. it's still taken like a joke.
Same thing for frequencies and vibrations. People here always go on about how the government puppeteers everyone using waves and no one ever realizes that you can do the opposite.
Up to you boys to wake up. Good luck and may peace be upon you.

You probably know this but just a reminder that if you search precognition on CIA's site you'll get an absolute fuckton of reading material that could prove useful

>>41342911
No.

>>41341802
While I can believe to an extent that people who can manifest whatever they want would probably cease visiting this crab bucket I know there has to be some successful practioners who hang around. There's folks on /biz/ who make it and still shitpost. Naturally some can be assumed larpers but I can definitely believe someone who's spent years on this site who just made a million or two still posting because they don't know what else to do with themselves. Ultimately I'd really just like to hear more about other's journeys and what brought their success. What internal struggles they grappled with and what efforts they had to make.

>>41341932
You'd I'd personally like to hear more from. How long have you been practicing LoA?

What's the best way to manifest on shortening your time on earth or experience time faster?

Should it be through a certain process or just to imagine "my time shortening"?

>>41338695
NTA but i have a background in analitical philosophy (and guess what UL is about?), and let me tell you something: Logic alone will eventually hit a wall, because when you finally discern your experience as it is, you need to make a choice, "What comes next? What then?". One of the main takeaways from Neville style of magick is that you assert already being something to become something, because all in life works this way, creativity is from the inside out, that's what Paolucci means when he explains how your virtual state contains everything, because imagination is limitless and unbounded. The fact that you're missing is that everything IS imagination, even your current experience; Why? Because everything across your perception is part of the field of change, is temporal, it doesn't mean anything, but you as a consciousness experiencing eternity and forgetting and recalling again in eternity to keep experiencing things is something that will never change, this is who we all are. Is all identity sense: Accept, assert, decide that you're god, act like it, and you will express that on everything you do, even in talking to retards on a imageboard. People say dumb, boring shit about using mundane ways to go over manifestation because they speak from a limited identity (a gay retard human), but if you speak from being the dreamer of this world, transcendental ideas comes all by themselves, and with it, transcendental results. You can right now lie on the floor and decide to give up being human and reassert as god once and for all. Someone that have the identity of a LoAcuck have results of LoAcuck, but someone that have fully accepted being god no matter what may have... a more interesting time. I would say "good luck" but you don't need it, as luck doesn't exists in world that is a dream of your own, an imagined world of your making. JUST DECIDE!
>There are no answers, only choices.

>>41338796
>On Science
The thing about science is that, is an endevour that is only concerned in descriptions and assigning labels to usual patterns on the experience, but is not concerned with explanations, even less with solutions (Solutions falls in the field of engineering, something that you actually can apply in manifestation as you reverse engineer the mechanism). The current definition of the scientific field nowadays for this site is some herald that have a magic pill certified by some elevated committee or some bizarre arbitrary process accompanied by retarded buzzwords that seems "smart" because you can't make sense of them. So when some easily impressionable person come across this board and find a "scientific explanation" to magic, he opens agape is mouth and start to drill that way, despite not working or being useless, or at least putting 6x the effort on something that should be the most comfortable and easiest thing you could do. Manifestation is the same as plain living, you just select a different experience and intent to it while detaching from the current one. You only do what you love, and you has been doing this since you became aware of existing.
>They just can't harness there is a subjective, not measurable truth out there, as the color of something, that is just some light wavelengths reflected, is for a blind person.
Relevant posts:
https://old.reddit.com/r/Glitch_in_the_Matrix/comments/46x5dv/ct_precognitive_dreams/
https://old.reddit.com/r/Glitch_in_the_Matrix/comments/35f95y/meta_the_realness_of_explanations/
https://old.reddit.com/r/Glitch_in_the_Matrix/comments/2kvdfc/darkroom_vision_chef_hats_dreams/

Everyone who is actually doing the work of practicing this stuff, all the way down, should be able to explain themselves. Not to "proof" (How do you proof things in a subjective reality?) but to explain in a way that add ups to the common sense. That's when you know that it's the real deal: For the worth of their ideas.

>>41339478
That pic is kind of retarded, but you have to actually study Universal Line to discern it. God, that poster was a moron.
>idk why zeland isnt mentioned anymore
Because his material is useless.

>>41341487
>>41343204
Ok anon I'll engage with you for a moment, I've told my story here before (maybe a month ago), though I roughly believe seeing only the downers is subjective selection (or rather RAS), where people filter on what triggers them the most
I seriously don't understand how people who actually (allegedly) manifest still engage with derailing posts all the time, as in a attempt to nurture them. (specially UL shit)

Anyway, lets start from the beginning, pre-pandemic I was in what could've been the lowest point in my life, after a breakup that left me in pretty bad shape, with combination of having no money, no job and no prospects in life.
I think it must have around that time I had found a book about psychic seduction, so without options I just went to try it. For one to desperately get my ex-SP back, or to get out of that rut and have some fun.
That was when I started frequenting Cath Church out of literal despair (I can say it helped tho). It was then Pandemic hit and help go all the more introspective and literally just go all out neet again.

That was probably when I delved more into conspiracies and as a side effect, of having too much time to spend on the chans and browsing /x/, that I must have come accross this thread.
But also being the proper noob and lurker, I've barely read the gist line and thought I had it figured out. Also having a background of meditation, Allan Watts and some similar stuff, made it easier while also being misleading.

Pandemic easing off, I had my first chances at sporadic employment the field I graduated for, it was about that time I also started learning Japanese, something I always wanted to do but didn't have the balls to do. But somehow everything started falling into place when I finally had a ambitious goal in my mind, adjusting my life and then moving out to Japan. From that point on literally everything started falling into place, and guess what, I'm here now.

Many of you say you manifested all that happened you, which includes bad things too.
Can someone, for once and for all explain how a person could manifest a terrible disease or event in their life ??
Let's say you are a very optimistic person always smiling and seeing the good side of things. How In hell could you manifest a terrible disease happening to you while never having had this thought in your life, let alone believing it will happen to you.
This thing doesnt add up to what you are saying guys, will all the respect

>>41332455
No message yet from an Asian chick who'd be okay to teach me Japanese.

>>41343422
>Can someone, for once and for all explain how a person could manifest a terrible disease or event in their life ??
Hypochondriacs and fearful people do it all the time. Who are you to say someone is living their best life all optimistic and good all the time?
And no social media doesn't reflect what people truly think or fear deep inside.

>>41343437
I mean korean but since I've also posted in japanese groups... lol

>>41343438
>Who are you to say someone is living their best life all optimistic and good all the time?
Because I'm an optimistic person.
And calm down please.

>>41343446
Who says I'm not calm fren? You just asked a once and for all question and I gave you the answer.

>>41339478
Ok guys, i have some time to spare so i will bring some objections i have against this retard because some ideas he's sharing here are DANGEROUS to get into without any metaphysical consideration. Let's start, from the first to the last:
(Longer than expected, have to break it down in some parts. 1/?) The first pic is "decent". But i will pick on this bit:
>This concept reverses your view of reality. So you can manifest stuff by imagining it and a universal line will be created and bring the object into your reality.
No. Universal Line is not something "created", is a metaphor to define the eternal process of creation that is underwent 24/7 trought pure prescence alone. The act you're performing of reading this message? Universal Line is reading right now. You don't "create it", Universal Line/One-Thing is forever present, it's just that the first person focal point of view is called by Paolucci like that in order to explain the facts the way he do, but what he calls Universal Line is something that is always present: Not a bizarre add on, but a way to see what was always there and will always be there, generating your experience. You acknowledge that you're that, stop pretending to be separate from this world, and go for it. You can realize that using any other metaphor, but the truth is ONE.

>>41343461
(2/?)
He then explains how he has done a bit of manifestation and experimentation. As this guy is batshit insane, that framework salad didn't end up in something coherent to explain metaphysics, but let's concentrated on this image still. In the next pick he says:
>The answer is that you're not a yogi that can pluck diamonds out of ether. That's why UL has a command and return section.
Wrong. We may end up arguing about semantics later, but this is another misundertanding. If you're god, you contain the Yogi, the diamond, and the ether all rolled into one, because this world and your mind are ONE. You're already that Yogi pretending to not being able to do something like that, taking the UL premise ALL THE WAY. If you accepted this fact from the get go, then command sessions won't be necessary. The thing is, they are great ritual to get you used to WHO YOU ARE! They exist as a way of dreaming/manifesting/imagining, but the same sessions you can do to become a Yogi that get diamonds out of the sand :) because YOU ARE that powerful.

>If you make a command and then think
That's universal line thinking. You use that AS WELL, no exceptions. He mentions the attributes all right, but he forgot the COMMAND ACTIVE INCLUSION, you don't have to get ride of those thoughts, YOU USE THEM, and let them work for you. The vacuum gets everything, so those thoughts are NO EXCUSE to not get your result. Why? Because of WHO, that's why.

>>41343464
(3/?)

Next pic. Oh man, here's when it becomes terrible (Also some foreshadowing).
>You can get so dettached from reality you can hop into different dimensions and talk to space entities. This is called schizophrenia...
NO, this is a REDUCTIVE CONCLUSION. If reality and imagination are one (Universal Line teachings here), then why Universal Line would say "and then i become schizoprenic"?. The dimension and other beings things? This is something people have done SINCE FOREVER throught dream yoga and lucid dreaming. This guys is either misleading or full shit (Doesn't practice nothing he talks about), but buying into this scare mongering won't do anyone any favors (Not anyone studiying UL at least, because why would you be afraid of yourself?). Shamans are just dreaming/manifesting the way they do, and so do the Tibetan Buddhist and others, but it's all the same thing.

The rest is decent again. I'll agree in the last bit of just doing your own thing through investigation and experimentation. Never believe something without personal evidence, never dismiss something without personal evidence. Dismissing what you don't like or don't agree with and embracing whatever reason with you the best or what you like the best is nice.

>>41343473
(4/4)
Last pic:
>The anon has to go inside to their consciousness and figure it out.
The anon is already inside of their consciousness, because anon IS consciousness. Everything is consciousness. Even practicing retarded stuff like LoA is doing that exactly (to finally understand that LoA teachings sucks, for starters). Non dualism/Solipsism are just terms, terms to assign descriptions to a thing, but WHO you are is just the plain truth. Back in the day, The Cusp reached the same conclusion of this world being a dream, of his true identity, without coming in contact with John or Neville (as least in the sources he cited at the time), and pre Oneirosophy/Dimensional Jumping era. Because the ultimate realization of WHO WE ARE is inevitable, you grow in awareness until is impossible to not realize it and act accordingly because this universe is designed to lead us all to that. And is just acknowledging, self realizing: The only thing you have to know is who you are, really. The rest is just experience, behind the dream there is only more dream.

...That's all. Some semantic arguing, but it's important to rectify ideas to align it with Universal Line teachings accordingly and correctly, without gaps or reductions of any kind. Hell, to align it with THE TRUTH of who you are, in general. YOU ARE the creator of this world, because the only world you can experience is your OWN experience, which comes from YOU, so is YOUR WORLD and your world only. No reductions of any kind have place in your own dream, as everything is ONE, because we are ONE.

>>41343458
My question was not about hypocondriacs manifesting bad things (which they don't anyway)

>>41343502
see kids, this is why you don't engage with derailing shitpost and haters
its just a negative assumption wrapped up as question, they don't really intend to get an answer
you're welcome

I think the best advice I could give to anyone who is struggling with "trusting the process", so to speak, and struggling to believe in LoA, is to manifest something small first. Not sure if this is obvious or not, but I've been struggling with keeping faith, and this helps a lot when you're manifesting something big, which in my case is a SP :)

>>41343617
Good advice and i followed it and I succeeded. But for bigger things I still failed.
But I am persisting:)

Hey all of you saying we are God. Even if it was true don't you think there is an entity above you who created you ? You can't create yourself.

>>41343655
>You can't create yourself.
Refuted by reality... what? You did create yourself, because even the assertion that you didn't is a fact that you assert over your experience without nothing else to work with except an assumption or dualistic narrative that you're following. But anyway, let's put that aside. Even if that is not true, i will keep asserting myself as god, and the true creator of my experience, because living this way is true life. I prefer embracing the Don Quixotean spirity towards magical idealism and living it in my own terms and in the privacy of my dream, than confining myself to an hollow life of the "truth" that the self defeated materalistic person offers in return, as they are perfectly satisfied in their own nightmare.

>>41343655
>You can't create yourself.
>literally the universe

>>41343487
Good posts, thank you

>>41343679
>, i will keep asserting myself as god, and the true creator
Yes it's best to have this mindset while practicing LoA and I'll do this too, I am the creator of #my# reality. But certainly not the creator of #all# realities including people's ones, nor the creator of myself either . It doesnt make sense to create yourself out of thin air. What was there before you? If nothing then where do you come from?

>>41343795
>Yes it's best to have this mindset while practicing LoA and I'll do this too, I am the creator of #my# reality. But certainly not the creator of #all# realities including people's ones
Man, the only reality you can experience is your own. For all intent and purposes, there is nothing else, so there is no "other people". They are extensions of yourself, and whatever is happening to them, as to be filtered by you and all the facts you have inserted in your experience so far, which include your conclusions about human nature.
>nor the creator of myself either . It doesnt make sense to create yourself out of thin air. What was there before you? If nothing then where do you come from?
You are the creator of yourself, this is a fact. You become aware of existing and adopt whatever you adopt, every idea has to come across you before even being acknowledge as a thing. Who else is writing this? How did you end up here? Who have the last word in your path and every course of action you make? Because even giving up control to "other people" is a choice you have to agree to. You come from awareness experiencing things forever, so before or after, there is only eternity (It's worth your time thinking about WHO you are, btw). When i was aware of being in a world, the world then existed, and when i cease to be in this world, it will all vanish without a trace, like tears in the rain. Besides me, there is no other.

>>41343839
> Man, the only reality you can experience is your own. For all intent and purposes, there is nothing else, so there is no "other people". They are extensions of yourself, and whatever is happening to them, as to be filtered by you and all the facts you have inserted in your experience so far, which include your conclusions about human nature
NTA but I for one have a really hard time believing in this, I mean I could stretch it and say I imagined an alternative reality and that would be a cool thought experiment but there's always such w thing as objective reality

>>41343855
>but I for one have a really hard time believing in this
Don't believe nothing then? Believing is a term that brings trouble when it comes to metaphysics (Why would you believe something that is not true?). One of the main lessons from Neville and John alike is that the reader have to already acknowledge his true self in order to do anything in the first place, so if you keep identifying yourself as someone with limited reach (across his own world...) then how do you plan to proceed? You are using the same mechanism that makes these things possible in the first place to hold yourself back. Try deciding and releasing:
https://old.reddit.com/r/Oneirosophy/comments/2hesk3/just_decide/
https://old.reddit.com/r/Oneirosophy/comments/3vxazx/so_i_just_watched_a_video_that_i_think_you_all/cxvqv5i/
The "true will" here has nothing to do with effort or suffering of any kind, but holding a firm desicion that what you are doing IS WORKING because IT IS, and that you have whatever you are aiming for NOW. Leave the current experience behind (detaching) and assert the target one (deciding). That's the ultimate utility of rituals in the first place.
>Objective reality
What's an "objective reality"???????? What if my reality and yours differ? What if in my reality i use magick all the time without trouble and in yours it's not even a thing? There is no such a thing like "objective reality" unless you define that as "The things how i live them" which is something only you could know of (Not a fixed thing like existence and experience are) and also a thing you change all the time anyways. The only objective things are: You exist, you have experience. Everything else is malleable, part of the field of change, and can't be take for granted.

>>41343899
Can't I manifest just by getting into sats or something similar, imagining the scene, feeling the feels related to it and then going about my day as usual without artificially feeling like I belong to a different reality? I really want it to be as simple as this

>>41343839
>You come from awareness experiencing things forever, so before or after
Who created this awareness?

>>41343839
Something else to add:
>that would be a cool thought experiment
Thinking is nice and useful (when you do it in the right direction, in recognizing your true self), but what about directly doing said experiments in changing your reality? Doing exercises and rituals with intent and zero compromises and seeing what happens? People who say things like this, as a rule of thumb, has been contemplating action more than acting. If they really knew who they were, and went all the way with it, they won't talk like that. DO, and doing doesn't mean exerting yourself in some syssiphean effort either, you could just lie on the floor deciding something and go on with your day in agreement that "that was the method" and is enough to start rolling the snowball downhill.
>>41343919
>I really want it to be as simple as this
That's what i'm trying to tell you! Is literally as easy as you are committed to it to be. But remember that any "failure" comes from a lack of self knowledge and understanding of WHO YOU ARE, remember that. Methods are arbitrary: SATS, sigils, just sitting in a place and meditating for something to happen, it's all the same, all of it can work, but it's useful understanding WHY it's all the same and why everything works in the first place.
>>41343923
>Who created this awareness?
While you don't need to know anything beyond of who you are, well, the answer is... hm...haha who knows! Someone else asked "why experience exists", and well, no fucking idea, that's the only true mystery we will never be able to solve, because every answer from a pre-concieved notion of an "event" in "time" is also imaginary. It's like "so if you are consciousness what happens when you die?", i'll tell you when im dead i guess.

>>41343944
>haha who knows
--> God

Thanks for all your inputs mate it's very interesting.
I do believe there is a power greater than us (God, the real and unique one) but it's not needed to identify with this power that created our awareness, to manifest. Being conscious we can create is more than enough I think.
Like a forum moderator under the supervision of the admin :)

>>41344051
>--> God
<3 Aaaw... Well, after writing that comment maybe the answer is "I did".
>I do believe there is a power greater than us (God, the real and unique one) but it's not needed to identify with this power that created our awareness, to manifest. Being conscious we can create is more than enough I think.
Paolucci gave a great insight on this. Talking that from a lower truth, the universe have an arrangement of beings that guide us to our greater self, no matter what. Literally everything we live, either on this life or the next, is to realize the ultimate truth every single time. Not even exclusive of anyone, as what we call "manifestation" has been studied, practiced and extrapolate on since forever. The christian Mystic "Dionysius the Aerophangate" talk about this metaphor also.
>Like a forum moderator under the supervision of the admin :)
You can being the admin if you want to also ;) or leave the forum and do something else. All in good fun of course. In everything you do, remember: You always have a choice.

As much as this sounds crazy, it's interesting to think about. What if things we actually perceive as real on that bottom level are also fake or scripted in some way? When you play a video game, does your character actually travel to the location? No they go to a fast travel point, a screen loads and they are there ..

If this is a simulation, we are essentially the macrocosm of a video game. We are the players. The npc's are actually npc's.

I saw a video the other day that had me really thinking.
When we are driving down the road, we can only see so far out in the distance. What if what's beyond our eyes perception is actually not real until it renders in? Just like in a video game?

I think we are the highly advanced version of it. The way they are merging humans with Ai, it seems pretty obvious to me that we were always one and the same, that's why it's becoming increasingly difficult to decipher between the two. It's because we are also AI. Our brains and nervous systems are literally computers.

It's really mind-blowing the more you think about it.

Manifesting is stupidly simple when you actually get it. You assume it's done and live from there. That's it.

The only real move is just to be delusional. Not "maybe someday," not "soon," not "tomorrow." It's already your reality, right here, right now. The only thing blocking you is that you don't know it's already yours. Read that again. Believing is training wheels. Results show up when you know, as in, you decide and accept "this is mine," and you rest there.

If you play it realistic, you get realistic outcomes. The people who do the impossible aren't negotiating with the 3D, they're unapologetically delusional first, then the world catches up. Let them call you crazy. Wear it. I'd rather be delusional and free than realistic and fenced in by everyone else's limits.

No, I'm not talking clinical delusion. I'm talking stance. Before it shows, you occupy the end as if it's already fact. That stance is what stamps your subconscious, and the subconscious externalizes it. Every time I embraced that stance, stuff snapped into place fast. Every time I tried to be sensible and "see how it goes," nothing moved, because I was agreeing with lack.

So stop auditioning for your desire. Stop reporting progress. Stop waiting for signs. Decide. Know. Live as the one who already has it and let the bridge of incidents do its job. If people think you're out of your mind, good, keep going. They'll call it obvious after it lands.

>>41344699
I understand why this general won't agree with me, but i'll say it regardless. I personally don't like Neville. Let me explain why: I like his greater ideas which gave important contributions to idealism and subjective reality (Imagination Creates Reality, Everything is Imagination), but his foundation was always shaky and created a snowball effect that just created confusion (Assumptions, SATS, etc), and he was also hanging onto reductions now and then that made him a frustrating author ("You can't change the color of your skin" while maintaining the equity of reality and imagination, for instance). If you read his last book, "Revelations", you would get that he never leave behind the separation of god and himself. He did grew in consciousness and got rid of a lot of garbage as he went on, but ultimately, he forgot to take the last step on it all. This is the problem with New Thought and New Age, is way too much reduction and baggage, way too much hippie useless platitudes with very little to no practical utility, all because accepting your true all powerful self implies leaving behind those reductions in the first place. Neville is the one above of all New Thought and New Age because he was close to the true self more than any other author, but he still can't help it and end up confining himself in the end.

With all that said: Everything works. As long as you understand WHO you are, everything can work. The world is your playground, and reality is Play-Doh doug you can manipulate to your liking. New Thought and Pop Science are both sides of a pendulum that oscillate between and miss the only central fact that you have to know, and that is: YOUR TRUE SELF as the dreamer of this world. An hero is a man that knows that he's free.

>>41344833
You're holding Neville to a standard he never even claimed to be, absolute metaphysical closure. He wasn't writing a unified field theory, he was just giving people a practical lever, the assumption that feels real is the reality they get. If you need pure non-duality, yeah, his language still plays with a subject/object seam. But the point is the seam dissolves when you actually do the thing instead of analyzing the cosmology.

"You can't change your skin" etc., he said a lot depending on the audience and era, then contradicted himself later as his own experience evolved. That's just a guy iterating through states. You can't expect his early scaffolding to match the last lectures perfectly. Same with the "God vs me" bit, his whole arc was collapsing that divide by practice, not philosophy.

>but his foundation was always shaky and created a snowball effect that just created confusion (Assumptions, SATS, etc),
Calling assumptions/SATS "confusing" always reads like people trying to think their way into the Sabbath. Neville's utility isn't in the doctrine, it's in how fast you can get to "it's done" without negotiating with the 3D. The metaphysics is nice, the results are the point.

You are right about one thing though, everything works from the right identity. Neville's whole shtick is just a practical way to act from the True Self instead of talking about it. If you want to toss the mythic language and go straight to "I'm the dreamer," go ahead, it's literally the same end. But don't pretend the guy who taught millions how to taste that end daily was somehow chained because he didn't heckin polish the philosophy to your preferred shine.

>>41344919
Right, is when i post some dogshit claim that i have a "post conscious clarity" and say "well shit, there goes". Part of growing in awareness i guess. I think my personal thing is not against Goddard himself (poor guy, he and other non dual teachers just have to take the same shit that jesus got at the time), but against reductions, which, at the end, is something the reader have to realize for himself, because nothing impede you to keep to your guns and dimiss everything you don't like or don't agree with and staying loyal to the things you hold dear and are meaningful to you. It's important (OVER ALL, IN METAPHYSICS APPLIANCE) to not confuse opinions with facts and take things personally, at least at long term is the best thing to do =) for every day living i'll say.

I stand by with the central idea of my opinion tho: I don't use Neville, and i don't like New Thought or New Age in general, but it's for personal reasons. Just like everything in this world (Liking something is personal, who could tell...). The Oneirosopher perspective is an entirely personal one, but speaking, of course, from the greater identity they take upon no matter what in an heroic fashion. It's from a private dream to another from my perspective anyways.

> If you want to toss the mythic language and go straight to "I'm the dreamer," go ahead, it's literally the same end. But don't pretend the guy who taught millions how to taste that end daily was somehow chained because he didn't heckin polish the philosophy to your preferred shine.
Yeah, i apologize for coming across like that, you're right. I'm also working on it: Sometimes i get carried away in being on 4chan that even myself commit mistakes of letting my personal feelings speak over my mind and that results on useless console wars and trouble that we will do better without. Thanks for your reply, and i hope we can have a better exchange of ideas in the next round, i will look forward to it.

>>41337699 (OP)
Things are wonderful. My family easily helps everyone in need now and receives endless abundance in return. Things are better than ever and they continue to improve daily. Everyone who has ever helped me or my family is incredibly blessed and happy to see the immense wealth and endless happiness and success my family now enjoys

AQ

What went wrong with C?

>>41344699
This is a very good addon to everything else that has been said by other anons especially the one who takes time here to answer every questions with long and detailed replies.
Ok, live as if you already had your stuff. I think everybody understands that now. The problem is, when you want to manifest a partner you can't do this easily. It's not like you go back home after work and open the door on your empty house and say "hi darling I'm here". Who's gonna believe that?? Or is it?
It's easier when you manifest objects, you can imagine you've just used them for example. But with people the attachment and emotions are another level that is tough to discard when trying to manifest someone.
Lots of people already did sats with great feelings etc but no success..
Knowing is the key as you say, it's so simple but yet not easy at all.

>>41344833
I really like your writing, and I admire the fact you actually read Neville's book. With many others I think.
This general can level up thanks to people like you. Thanks anon very much appreciated and please if you have anything else to share, don't hesitate.

>>41344919
I do like your writings too mate, and the posts between you and the other anon, there is some serious work and knowledge involved here. Thanks to both of you.

>>41344919
He unintentionally created a theory of everything when he said Creation Is Finished

It goes strongly against the "living in the present" crowd, who are somewhat common today

>>41345487
Creation is Finishes until he says black man cant change his skin color. goddard is a giga coper

>>41345431
You don't live as if by LARPing in your house, anon. You live as if inside, where it counts. That 3D performance is cringe because you're asking the 3D to go first. That's not how this works. You have to go first.

The trick with partners is implication > performance. Stop chasing fireworks and intense emotional scenes and pick one boring, already-together moment that implies the relationship, an inside joke at the sink, their "text me when you're home," a friend teasing "you two are disgusting," whatever. Five-second loop, first-person, done. That's living as if.

>But with people the attachment and emotions are another level that is tough to discard when trying to manifest someone.
Feed the nervous system inside the scene, the weight on the couch next to you, a hand squeeze, the sound of keys in the door. Satisfy the craving imaginally so you stop hunting it in the 3D. Excitement = future. Familiar = now.

>Lots of people already did sats with great feelings etc but no success..
Well two reasons why:

1. You change scenes every week. Pick one and freeze it.

2. You keep checking and wavering. Every "is it here yet?" resets the bridge. Know = rest. Rest = speed. Bored and certain beats hyped and desperate.

Daily rhythm that actually works: do SATS, run one inner conversation during the day, and hold one identity line: "I'm already in a mutual, secure relationship." When the itch to check hits, touch your five second scene once and go do something normal. That's it.

Also revise the worst "separation" memory at night so you stop feeding the opposite state. And stop talking about being alone, that's an extreme anti-affirmation and will fuck you over.

You don't need the world to cosign first. You just need a single, stable assumption and to stop testing the mirror. Pick the end, sit in it until it's dull, AND JUST LET THE BRIDGE LAND.

>>41345518
We truly need to find a way to report you into rangeban Indianman, you don't stop shitting up the thread. You ruined both /LoA/ and /one/ and you just don't learn the lesson.

you should not manifest with the goal to have it out in the 3D

Manifestation is NOT this: visualize and affirm => get my desire in 3D => be happy in 3D.

Manifestation instead is this: visualize => get my desire in imagination => be happy in imagination => byproduct: appears in 3D as a cherry on top.

>>41345971
No. This is coping. Manifestation is manifestation, unless you reduce yourself to a powerless vessel that refuses to face reality. If this is what you want to do, go ahead, but it's useless and there is no reason to go to manifestation communities to stop doing magic just because somehow it hurts your feelings or you don't understand. This 3D/3D/6D bullshit is annoying because it's misleading: There is only one reality, and is YOUR reality. When it says "10k Materialized out of thin air", it means exactly that, there is no place for semantics arguing here: A real, usable, solid and tangible stack of bills that you can spend to your heart joy.

You have an infinite power. Know it, and then decide for yourself.

>>41345971
Also, relevant excerpt from 7kek7 so we're clear of what we're doing here. You want a self help group, so go to >>>/adv/ . There is no place for copes here, only for real manifestation and magic to change one's experience to whatever anyone wants. NOTHING LESS.

>>41346010
Dude nobody said never get the cash. The point is cause vs. effect. If you make 3D proof the condition for your state, you're in "not-yet" every time you check, and you keep resetting your own bridge.

>There is only one reality, and is YOUR reality.
And that is exactly why this matters. If consciousness is primary, then resting in the end is the act. Neville called it Sabbath for a reason. The 3D/4D jargon is just training wheels for inner cause, outer echo. Refusing to worship the echo is not cope its discipline. You want 10k to appear? That's fine, but if you're white-knuckling the bank app to see whether your spell worked, you're affirming lack on a loop.

Being happy in imagination is how selection works. You assume the state and dwell in it until it feels like memory, not a stunt. Then the echo lands however it wants, wire, gift, deal, adjustment, because effects are many, the cause is one. When people chase the effect first, they call every interim scene "failure," kill their own momentum, and blame the method.

You can call it magic if you like, but the mechanism is the same, selection, then. rest, then bridge of incidents. The rest is arrival logistics. You can posture about """infinite power,""" or you can use it like an adult, pick the end, live there, stop testing the mirror. The stack of money is fine. Making the stack your god is why it keeps slipping.

>>41346058
>The 3D/4D jargon is just training wheels for inner cause
But why? Why training wheels? Why god need this?
>Outer echo?
Which is the result of your attention?
>Refusing to worship the echo is not cope its discipline.
The post said "Manifestation is NOT this: visualize and affirm => get my desire in 3D => be happy in 3D.", which is not true??? I literally have done this before?¿¿ And it's the entire point????? Magic most straightforward definition: The art and the science of causing change to occur in conformity with will. Which is, changing your life experience in conformity with your desires. What that anon posted is pure wishful thinking.
>Being happy in imagination is how selection works.
Emotions are irrelevant.
>You assume the state and dwell in it until it feels like memory, not a stunt.
Uhum
>Then the echo lands...
Which echo??
>because effects are many, the cause is one.
Who is the cause? (Including "the outside world")?
>When people chase the effect first, they call every interim scene "failure," kill their own momentum, and blame the method.
Poor self knowledge.
>You can call it magic if you like
I think YOU are misplaced here? I cannot be more clear with this: Manifestation is literally (pay attention, because is this) changing reality with your intentions. Everything on it.

The rest of your post would lead to arguing semantics so i'll stop here. You get the point. There is a difference between psychological help and actual magic that make things appear and things happens because you decided that it will. Hell, the reason why people feels better eventually is because they found out that they're god and they are no longer helpless or intimidated by seemingly fixed things, they can change it all, including the entire universe at the blink of an eye. If this is not the kind of things the general is aiming for, then the problem is me and i should quit, because anything less than mastering the control of the universe is a waste of time now.

>>41346058
Also, what is this?
>You can posture about """infinite power,""" or you can use it like an adult
So being an adult is acting with power and authority over one's reality? Hell, maybe i don't want to be an adult, maybe being an "adult" fucking sucks? I should listen to Christ himself, and act like a kid in spirit, so it's easier to enter the gates of heaven.

The true golden rule: If i can imagine something, i can do it. It doesn't get better than that. And guess what? Infinite power is not that hard to imagine...

>>41346058
Also, what is this?
>You can posture about """infinite power,""" or you can use it like an adult
So being an adult is refusing to act with power and authority over one's reality? Hell, maybe i don't want to be an adult, maybe being an "adult" fucking sucks? Maybe i should listen to Christ himself, and act like a kid in spirit, so it's easier to enter the gates of heaven.

The true golden rule: If i can imagine something, i can do it. It doesn't get better than that. And guess what? Infinite power is not that hard to imagine...

(Deleted and rewritten to correct a part. Sorry, i'm passionate about this stuff and one tend to commit mistakes in the heat of it)

>>41346114
>Why training wheels? Why would God need this?
Well God doesn't. You do. "3D/4D" is pedagogy for apes like us who keep poking the mirror. It's just a stopgap vocabulary to keep beginners from re-selecting lack every time they check. You can stop using the terms if you want, but again the function remains the same, inner cause, outer consequence.

>Visualize get in 3D be happy isn't true, I’ve done it
Sometimes you had enough state density that even with checking you didn't shake it. Great. The point isn't that results don't hit, it's that making 3D the condition for your state produces oscillation and resets for most people. Teaching rest first is just operational hygiene

>Emotions are irrelevant
Intensity is irrelevant. Acceptance is not. You can be flat as a board and it lands if the end feels like fact. That's what "be happy in imagination" means, satiation, not excitement.

>Which echo?
The bridge. The emails, calls, "coincidences," impulses, and placements that assemble the scene you selected. Effects are many.

“Effects are many, the cause is one.” Who is the cause?
“I AM.” The awareness reading this. The “outside world” is its own activity filtered through what you assume about it.

>This is psychology vs real magic
I mean if your "magic" needs you to panic check your bank app to believe it worked, you're doing psychology pretty badly and magic worse. The cleanest implementation of "change in conformity with will" is selection => Sabbath => bridge. Refusing to worship the echo is discipline so the operation doesn't get cancelled mid-cast.

>Master the universe or it’s a waste
If you're truly at blink-of-an-eye level, you don't need this general. For everyone else, the boring mastery is holding the end without negotiating with interim scenes. That is the craft.

Keep your metaphysics if you like. But the mechanics do not change, pick the end, rest there, let the mirror rearrange.

>sp is a skank
>even with sats I can't get frisky in the 3d

>>41346162
>So being an adult is refusing to act with power and authority over one's reality?
No. Adult = you use power cleanly. Selection, Sabbath, bridge. Not tantrum-casting and then panic-checking the 3D.

>Be childlike to enter heaven
Childlike ≠ childish. Childlike = trust, simplicity, immediacy. Childish = demand, timeline freakouts, testing Mom every five minutes. Neville's Sabbath is childlike: you accept it's done and go play. No measuring sticks.

>Golden rule: if I can imagine it, I can do it
Agreed, if you hold it as fact. Most people don't imagine, they sample and then revert to not yet. That's why the 3D/4D training wheels exist, to keep you from un-selecting your own end every time you peek.

>Infinite power isn't hard to imagine
Imagining power isn't the same as resting in it. If you're truly at blink and it lands, you wouldn't be arguing here, you'd blink and be done. For the rest of us, the clean protocol just wins, pick one end, occupy it till it's boring, let the chain of incidents assemble.

>>41346187
I'm going to put aside the rest of your post, and won't even reply to it because i don't feel like this, and i know that this is reaching to the point of different objectives between us here, but i'm going to reply to one part because it boils my blood like you can't imagine.

>If you're truly at blink-of-an-eye level, you don't need this general

Why? What's wrong with this? What's wrong with sharing ideas? What if i would like this general to improve? What if i want anons to become gods and do whatever they want with no effort at all? What if metaphysics, the understanding of it, makes things easier? What if your ways are wrong and i don't agree with them and have something to say? What if i have the chance to make some sparing on my own self knowledge using this general? What if i can share knowledge i wish i had earlier with others? Why can't have it? Why can't anyone have it? Why this general has to be an echo chamber? How you apply magic being materialistic? Why ambitious individuals can't use this space, with the implications of what neville taught being real, to the fullest extent and explore it with others? Why why WHY?

Fuck you /x/, you still coming at me with this fucking shit every time i dare to share things with you. I saw the remnants of other communities that didn't waste time on this bullshit and aimed immediately to the self realization of being god-like in this world. Everyone lives in their own reality so everyone can have what they want, everyone on existence with no exceptions is headed towards that. But apparently the Prometheus curse is real, and everyone have to face what Christ faced. But i won't put none of it. Enjoy your systemics /x/, fuck you, FUCK YOU.

>>41346254
>>41346187
Yeah, yeah, whatever, you win. This exchange is useless for both of us, so i'll stop there. Buy a trip or something, because i'm pissed off.

>>41345533
Thanks a ton anon your post was really loaded with great advices and also motivation, it means a lot to me thanks for the time and effort you put into this. I'm sure it'll be useful for plenty of other anons.
And all you said makes sense for sats, I recognize I had this behaviour your describe, explaining why I failed.
Let's get back to work with a new mindset. Cheers friend

>>41346225
>skank
shouldn't that make it easier? lol

>>41345533
>Also revise the worst "separation" memory at night
Hey pal do you have a technique to do revision when the scene we want to revise is still painful to visualize? My heart starts pounding when I visualize my breakup :( maybe after looping it, it becomes easier.
I like the concept of revision, but I wonder if something traumatizing can really be forgotten and replaced by something better. Let alone cancel the breakup, it would be a nice bonus !

>>41345971
Based, this is exactly what we should aim for.

>>41346058
>until it feels like memory
NTA but if it feels like a memory it means it's buried in the past, with all the other memories, so I don't get why it would happen in the future if your sub considers it as a memory ? Thx

Serious question for the knowledgeable anons out there, about SATS.

I want to manifest a gf (one for life preferably) and the scene I chose is some kind of sexual, because it makes me very implicated and I can feel the scene very strongly in my body (in other words I get aroused haha).
Is it a valid scene to use, or should I switch to a more mundane one like some of you said (receiving a text from her, visualizing us on a couch...) in order to get a more regular feeling, don't know how to explain this, english is not my native language sorry.
Maybe sexual energy is not good for sats as it could be misinterpreted by the subconscious for a scene we use while fapping, and we all know those scenes are just fantasies and never manifest in the 3d .

>>41346260
>, but i'm going to reply to one part because it boils my blood like you can't imagine.
Guys please don't let anger enter the chat, I love reading your debate please don't take things personally, and continue exchanging thoughts in a peaceful way.
We learn a lot while you do this, it's very cool to read both of your arguments.
I think nobody detains the exact tr, and also we all react differently, meaning one thing would work better for one person than another. Nothing is set in stone with this stuff, that's my opinion.

One of you here (or in the previous thread) advised to consider wavering as a spam call, and that's a very good idea. Anytime I have a thought that goes against my manifestation I imagine myself looking at my phone and dismissing a spam call. Lol great technique thank you anon for this.

>>41339557
fate is also you. you are fate

>>41343352
>That pic is kind of retarded
why

>>41346419
I mean sex scenes can work, but most people misuse them. If your SATS just turns into porn-in-your-head, you're training "aroused + alone + fantasy." The state that manifests a partner is "already together," not "revved up and chasing." Big difference.

If you want it to be sexual, make it implied, not explicit. Think something like "afterglow on a lazy Sunday," her weight on your chest, her laugh in your ear, a dumb inside joke. Five seconds, first-person, calm and domestic. No third-person porno of you two, and no jerking off. You're not summoning a body, you're assuming the role of a man who's already in a mutual, stable relationship.

The reason people get more traction with mundane scenes (text on a couch, brushing teeth, keys in the door) is because the nervous system reads them as normal now, not "special event I'm still waiting for." Excitement/craving pushes it into the future. Familiar pulls it into the present. If your arousal hijacks the scene, you'll anchor the state to just a jerk off fantasy. If you can hold a sexual after scene as ordinary, you're fine.

Just one short implication and freeze it for a few weeks. Loop it in SATS, then leave it. During the day, keep one inner line like "love our life" and drop the urge to check the 3D. If you slip into explicit porn-style imagery, stop, breathe, and switch to the mundane version for a while until your brain gets the memo that the relationship is baseline, not a spike.

>>41346585
Nta
So you're saying every visualization should feel mundane and like a memory of a routine?
I know a lot of people say have it packed with intense emotions etc

>>41346634
Not every visualization has to feel mundane, but the ones that work for most people usually feel normal, like a memory you're recalling, not a trailer you're hyping. Intense emotion is where most anons mess it up, hype and fireworks = "it's happening soon." Natural and familiar = "it's already apart of my life." Neville's feeling wasn't adrenaline, it was just acceptance. When a scene feels like an old, obvious fact, you won.

You can have emotion, just use the right kind. Relief, satisfaction, quiet contentment, those are after emotions. Lust, giddy excitement, heart-racing anticipation, those are before emotions. Before = becoming, after = being. Guess which one manifests faster.

What affirmations for a black girlfriend

>want to manifest going back to the city
>two days later it starts pouring buckets in my hometown
>it starts haling
>this only happens in the city
>family pays for my plane ticket by the end of the week and I am welcomed by the pouring rain

>want to manifest gf with certain characteristics
>one of these is her characteristic hairstyle like in picrel
>do my thing for 5 days
>ffw today
>walk into the supermarket
>every woman has a small ponytail
>I stayed there looking around to find one that didn't
>even the cashiers had a small ponytail
>start smiling like a retard because I know what this means
>pay for my shit and take a nice long nap where I imagine myself with my ideal gf just for good measure

WAGMI brothers and sisters, in fact, we have already made it. I love when I get cues like these, like the world is telling me it knows what I'm doing and it's working.

>manifesting new car
>get forced into a situation with family where I had too urgently buy myself a new car
fucking gay and my wallet hates me now

>>41348491
manifest happy wallet next, obviously

>>41348491
>>get forced into a situation with family where I had too urgently buy myself a new car

>>41339449
>41337892
no fuck that if i live in the end i shouldnt have to drop it that's what perpetuates the cycle of lack and checking the 3d, let me bask in my shit until im satisfied mothafucka!

>>41339478
non dualism is DEMONIC. REPENT! AND WORSHIP JESUS IMMEDIATELY!

>>41346585
>>41345533
>>41344699 (checked)
>keep same brief implied scene looping over and over, for days until it clicks
Here is the question though, assuming it has clicked, and you feel the wish fulfilled
do you just stop doing it?
do you change the manifestation scene going for another goal? or do you just resume regular sleep until the first is achieved in the 3d?
been doing this for a while, and now its kind hard going to sleep without purpose (even though a lot of the times following a successful SATS, it seems I just tend to sleep quite quickly).

>>41343437
>
fuck your updates, only post when you get what you want. Also find a picture of an asian chick youre attracted to and use that to visualize iuntil it feels normal to you

>>41339478
>idk why zeland isnt mentioned anymore
he was popular in the early days of this general back in around 2020, before they discovered neville.
I say this as someone who's read all of reality transurfing: it's absolute bullshit, it puts completely random constraints and limiting beliefs onto the practitioner that have zero logical basis behind them, he claims that you can't change other people (you can, even without magick), makes up concepts out of nowhere (like frailing, which makes no sense at all), has a ton of arbitrary terms like 'heart' and 'mind' without really explaining them, does not pick between metaphysics and its implications and the physical world but an incoherent mix between the two with that "energy" concept which is the hallmark of all useless new age garbage. Using the language of physics to explain what is supposed to be full-stop magic also makes the book fall apart at times. His whole metaphor about the "space of alternatives" is a jumbled mess too but that might be because its translated from russian. The only concept worth considering in the entire book is pendulums.

If I had to give someone a recommendation, ignore everything (but especially new agey authors), read neville, then read UL, get your truths in order and that's it.

>>41345518
>maybe
vitiligo is proof that black people can manifest skin change. Michael jackson manifested it and so did some other blackcel that would literally go to sleep dreaming his white.

>>41348951
You don't have to drop the end, just drop the doing. Bask is good if it's rest, not re-asking. If looping feels like cuddling what's already yours, keep it. The second it turns into "am I there yet?" you're back in lack. Hold the state, not the scene. Let satisfaction end the motion, take a 5 second sip, then forget. Sabbath isn’t quitting, it's just "it's mine, I'm chill."

>>41348979
If it's clicked, then stop working it. That's the Sabbath. You don't keep yanking up the seed to check roots. Let the bridge breathe and only touch it if you wobble, otherwise leave it alone.

>do you change the manifestation scene going for another goal? or do you just resume regular sleep until the first is achieved in the 3d?
Just fall asleep as the person who already has your desire. No work / grind. Just a single "done/thank you" and drift off is enough. If your body wants a ritual, give it a maintenance micro blink: 3–5 seconds of the same implied scene, first-person, calm, then lights out. Bored is really good; bored = stabilized.

If you want to aim SATS at something else, just move your SATS slot to a new end or to pure self-concept ("I'm the one love/money/whateverthefuck defaults to"). The first desire runs on autopilot. Don't reopen it just because the 3D hasn't saluted yet, that's how people reset themselves.

If you need a rule of thumb, just keep a scene until it feels like a memory for a week and you sometimes forget to do it. Retire it. During the day, keep the state with lazy inner conversations and refuse wavering thoughts. If doubt spikes, one quick loop of the scene, then back to living.

>been doing this for a while, and now its kind hard going to sleep without purpose
Just make the purpose rest. Sleep as the person who already got it. The quick knock-out after successful SATS is the point, you impressed the subconscious and clocked out. Perfect.

>>41346010
WILL YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP BITCH NIGGA!

i'm manifesting kissing and sodomizing all the anons here. im a man btw

>>41346585
i disagree, porn scenes and straight up masturbation absolutely can work if you treat it as a legitimate act of sex rather than mere fantasy. There's a difference between desperately jerking off and EXPERIENCING. You can be straight up at pinnacle arousal and be in the wish fullfilled.

>>41348963
retarded post like this tell me adding "demonic" to a filter will hide a lot of retarded post and I will lose absolutely nothing at all

>>41339478
>idk why zeland isnt mentioned anymore
basically what >>41349072 said. zeland books are a keychain of limiting beliefs and will hit hard and make you falter if you come from something like Neville teachings.
pendulums are important because they teach you about choosing better what things you give your attention.
I would rescue how it tells you being prepared can help you to reduce importance and how using it as leverage to get your goal serves as a safety net, but after reading UL and Knowing Who you are, it feels like mere auto help bullshittery.

>>41349377
I dok really think that's true. I've imagined banging a lot of different chicks vividly in every possible detal but it didn't cause them to walk into my life, hell it didn't even manifest a date with them

>>41346323
For some reason my default thoughts think only better looking, more sociable guys can get in her pants. And when fantasizing free flowing scenario's she's unresponsive or declining my advances, thats what my subconscious fills in.

>>41349377
I get the distinction you're making, there's a real gap between jerking to fantasy and experiencing a mutual scene. But arousal intensity ≠ assumption. Most people's pinnacle arousal collapses into the solo schema, screen/imagery => tension => release => alone. The nervous system remembers that context, not the label you want it to have.

Porn style imagery also almost always nudges you into spectator mode (third-person, consumption), which subtly trains "I observe/seek" more than "I am in a shared, already-ours moment." What tends to stick isn't the peak, it's the aftertaste, calm domestic certainty vs post-nut "welp, back to me and a screen." If the residue is chase/emptiness, the state you're actually reinforcing is wanting. Which is pretty bad if you want to manifest things.

Not saying that some people can't hold "already together" even at full tilt, first-person, and end in that quiet of course feeling. If that's truly the imprint, that's fine. But for most people, the loop teaches arousal + fantasy + solitary resolution, and the body believes the loop more than the story. Intensity reads as special event (future). Familiar reads as mine (now). That's the hinge, at least in my experience.

>>41349115
>Just make the purpose rest. Sleep as the person who already got it. The quick knock-out after successful SATS is the point, you impressed the subconscious and clocked out. Perfect.
thanks, the point my question is exactly because other goals I want to pursue, but I get the idea.

On another topic, got a bit running nose/throat, and now when getting into SATS always feel the need to gulp down like a sudden startle, and if I don't either a snore or involuntary gasp happens...

>>41346585
Mate your reply to my question is top notch and I'll follow your advice to the T. Thank you so much it's good to have you here

>>41346360
Interested in this question too

They forced me into a promotion and they demanded I get a gun and be licensed to use it on the job. Today I'm going to start class on how to use my gun properly. I hope things go well

>>41348982
Will do

>>41349572
Nta but I will modify my scene from now on and remove the sexual part for sure. What you said makes total sense, i don't want to take the risk there are plenty of other safer scenes to loop.

>>41337699 (OP)
How do I manifest myself into a flying vampire, /loa/? Will a bridge of incidents lead me to the cabal, or will I find out I've always been a vampire?

>>41350539
You will take vitamin D and avoid the sun like a faggot

I read it's better not to be too specific, so your sub can find more ways to satisfy you.
But I've also read, in case you are manifesting a gf, you can find a pic of your desired gf look, and go from there to manifest her.
These 2 assertions are contradictory. If you are using a pic to manifest, it will take a looooong time before this girl appears in your reality. Whereas if you stay broad and welcome any type of gf then it would be easier and faster. No?
I'd like to manifest a specific looking gf with a certain type of body but I'm a bit confused.
Thanks

>>41350936
They are not contradictory, you're mixing levels. The don't be too specific advice is just about not micromanaging the bridge. The use a pic advice is about giving your nervous system something to lock onto. End vs means. Essence vs props. If you're manifesting a girlfriend, the end is "mutual relationship, stupid chemistry, she's exactly my type." That's a state. You can absolutely bake in "exactly my type" without trying to summon a carbon-copy face from pinterest. If a photo helps you feel the vibe and body language, that's fine, glance at it to spark the feeling, then close your eyes and run your scene first person. Keep her face a little soft, keep the feeling sharp. You're installing attraction and compatibility, not hunting a stranger.

>it will take a looooong time before this girl appears in your reality.
Why? Specific manifestations have no impact on speed. Specific doesn't equal slow, contradictory equals slow. If your specificity makes you check the 3D and feel "not yet," you just throttled yourself. If your specificity makes you go "yeah, that’s my life," it speeds you up. So pick the granularity you can hold without twitching. "She matches my exact physical type" usually lands cleaner than "this exact IG face from this zip code meets me at 5:42 pm." Pictures are tools, not targets. Use them to imprint the state and then drop them. If you start obsessing over whether you've "seen her yet," you turned the tool into a leash.

>>41351164
You always find the right word to explain things, I4m glad I asked the question while you were around, thank you for this very clear reply that will help me manifest.
I was confused due to the anons who are manifesting lottery wins, and some of you said it's better to manifest money so there are more ways life can bring you your desire. And after reading your reply it makes sense now, I was confusing the bridge with the goal.

So it's just "go to your happy place" and know that it's happening?

>>41351514
Not "happy place." It's end state. Pick a 5–10s first-person scene that implies it's already done and feel the normalcy, not excitement. Do SATS, touch that scene when you drift, and stop checking the 3D. Select the state, rest in it, persist. That's pretty much it. Also read Neville.

I started really believing in LoA and all this esoteric stuff since I saw this old video. I tried it myself and it worked within a few minutes (the pendant in the video is not necessary).
The guy also made a video to deal with LoA (attraction not assumption but the method is the same for him).
Careful, it's a rabbit hole, if you don't have time don't watch it :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FweXADo9MwA

>>41351596
This doesn’t work for you though does it.

>>41351596
>feel the normalcy, not excitement
NTA
Shouldnt you feed good? Emotions like peace, joy, satisfaction ? Or really detached and no excitement of any sort ?

>>41351622
I mean I’ve gotten everything I've ever wanted, I want from being a hardcore incel in highschool to now having a wife who's my soulmate, 4 kids and a nice house.

>>41351631
You want the post-climax feeling, not the feelings before it. Peace, relief, quiet satisfaction, "of course" energy, those are signals of done. If excitement pops up naturally, that's fine, but don't chase it, forced hype = "not yet." Detached doesn't mean numb, it just means indifferent to when/how because it's already yours. Calm certainty > adrenaline.

>>41351687
>I mean I’ve gotten everything I've ever wanted, I want from being a hardcore incel in highschool to now having a wife who's my soulmate, 4 kids and a nice house.
So you don't manifest anything anymore if you already have what a man can dream of ?
Congrats though !

I just occasionally look at these threads but I've been practicing loa for years with successes.
Is there a single non flowery schizo language explanation for Universal Line yet on this website? I'm curious about it but I don't have the motivation to decipher schizobabble when I already have a working method.

>>41351920
Tell me about your working method lad.

>>41351920
>when I already have a working metho
SATS maybe? I read it's the most powerful method. But it's not easy to practice.
And thanks for coming back here from time to time to help us the pilgrims lol
This thread and the previous one are quality ones I think, lots of good stuff shared.

>>41351933
SATS, the only annoying part can be the scene if it's not something I'm sufficently motivated for but otherwise getting what you want through SATS is simple and reproducable that I don't understand how people struggle.

>>41351938
>SATS maybe?
Yup

>>41351920
how much for your method pal, taking BTC?

>>41351955
>SATS is simple and reproducable that I don't understand how people struggle.
I climbed a ladder thanks to SATS, and it was a real WOW moment for me.

The toughest part with sats is to not miss the hypnagogic window to loop the scene.
I start looping my scene as soon as my ass is in the bed, to be sure, but even by doing this I fall asleep without attaining the state.
I hope the time I spend looping my scene right before falling asleep is useful though, but I don't think so.

>>41351955
I can understand why SATS would be hard if you were constantly reading or playing games all the time. You have to give the mind time to settle down without actually going all the way to sleep.

>>41351956
It's just SATS, here's what I do.
Binaural beats work as something of a cheatcode for SATS, at least in my experience. Some anon posted an image before about binaural beats that said something about 3.2 Hz letter you access your subconscious and that checks out because entering SATS like this became much easier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsfyb1pStdw Put this on with headphones at a low volume
Lie on your back, close your eyes, don't move at all, twitches are fine.
Between 4-7 minutes your limbs will get heavy
Your thoughts will start to wander to random shit if you just clear your mind, this is something the brain does when its getting ready to sleep, notice if this is happening and snap yourself out of it before you fall asleep. Personally I focus on the shifting shapes and colours in the darkness of my closed eyes, another 1-2 minutes from this stage will 100% bring you into SATS.
Play your scene, attach positive emotion to it, continue playing the scene until you get bored of doing it. Then either go asleep or get up it doesn't matter.

How effective this is all depends on your scene. I struggle a lot with creating scenes involving me having money because I don't really spend much so I'm not motivated for it. If I have a debt or something that's going to bring real consequences suddenly my scene creation works great and the manifestation is a quick success.

>>41351996
My problem is scenes

>>41352050
Thanks for sharing your process anon.
The video seems useful as well.

>How effective this is all depends on your scene
It's surprising, usually people struggle with entering sats, which you seem to master. The scene is quite easy to invent and imagine. It's funny how different we all are.

>>41351920
I've only read Advanced Financial Gain 1 and 2 so far, but as I understand JP is basically saying (in his schizo dialect) you are God and thus everything there is, there is no limit (literally) to what you can do, and just deciding with the intent to cause is enough to manifest. Also, the more you understand, accept and realize the fact that you are God, the more powerful you will be and the more seemingly impossible stuff you'll be able to accomplish. I've also seen a few UL anons talk about how once you go past a certain point in knowing that idea as a fact, the weirder shit they've experienced (that this is your personal dream you 100% control, in their words). That's as straightforward as I can put it with my current understanding. Seems totally compatible with Neville's stuff (I have read all his books and applied). Like the next level you'd take it to, it's logical conclusion explained by a madman.

>>41352191
Well JP explains it the best it is humanely possible. How else would you prove ONE-Thing, other than why 2 things need a reference field > why the final reference field is pure presence > why it is indivisible one thing that contains everything in it (that is, everything you want to manifest, all of time and space, Earth, land, water, humans, buildings, atoms, galaxies, thoughts, etc) > since that is one indivisible thing, that means it fully fills your body so that you are ALL of it > so as pure presence now you become your desired 3D.

I have read different books that deal with this same subject and not a single one explains it as clear and in logical fashion as JP does, although PDFs like Advanced Gain and I Am Totality provide clearer explanation than his newest work imo

>>41352223
The problems people have with UL and JP are not his message or explanation. It's everything around it. His illustrations and art style are offputting. His document formatting is horrendous. His communication style is difficult to process. But worst of all is he makes assumptions about the person reading, like they're already familiar with him and what he's trying to say. Give any UL document to a random person and they'll probably think you need to be commited to a mental hospital. By contrast, Neville (despite his biblical language) at least is clear enough about what's even going on in the first place. I think UL and JP are probably underrated (still need to read the rest). But he doesn't do himself any favors in making his message easy to digest, or at least giving the person an idea of what they're about to read. I was only able to finally read and understand those 2 documents because of extensive explanations I read from other anons including the UL Anon and SMAnon documents.Somebody else who already gets it needs to explain it to you before you can even begin to read it. That is the core of the issue with UL. And also JP closing his Discord and wiping his reddit and youtube pages doesn't help grow the following and discussion around the topic. The dude WANTS to gatekeep.

Anyon has some news about Financially Free anon? And Asian Milf anon?

This question will seem strange to some of you but hey there is no silly question.
Let's say I'm manifesting a woman who has a certain body/look. And let's say I finally have a date but with a woman who has a different body than the one I was satsing for.
What would you do in this case, refuse categorically the manifestation and go back to sats. Or date the girl and call it a success?

>>41352300

>Somebody else who already gets it needs to explain it to you before you can even begin to read it.

I disagree with this. If you slowly read it page by page, (that is, don't go to the next page till you grasped the previous) instead of reading it like a normal book, you should have no issues understanding it even if no one explained it for you. The nature of material makes it hard to understand, but that's why taking it slowly and thinking on your own is crucial. As for other points I agree, he does gatekeep but in the past it was all available.

>>41352300
>Give any UL document to a random person and they'll probably think you need to be commited to a mental hospital.
NTA.
I laughed at this :)))
Honestly, all the LOA material and all the people who live in their imagination to manifest are already seen as nuts by the big majority of the population. I prefer not to talk about this to anyone personally.
People are not open minded enough, lots of NPCs around too.
That's cool to have this board to talk about this without feeling weird.

>>41352364
A simple "Introduction to Universal Line" type document where the groundwork is laid, terms are defined and and a brosd general idea of what's to come would fix all this. Mainly in helping it spread among people who won't tale the time to read it that way until it clicks and are able to continue reading normally.

>>41352367
Yeah even among the LOA community there's still people in doubt. The general population would already think Neville is a fringe interpretation of the Bible, and UL would be outright Heresy for them.

>>41352346
Anon, stop treating the first match that shows up like a pass/fail test. The 3D isn't the wish, it's the bridge. Decide what your actual end is, the feeling/chemistry/fit or a specific SKU of looks. If your real end is the state (mutual attraction, ease, "this is my person"), then a different body showing up can still be your bridge or even the thing itself. Go on the date like a normal human, keep your inner scene intact, and let it reveal itself. If your real end is that look and nothing else, then don't settle emotionally, keep the assumption and do SATS. Either way, don't make scarcity moves or "prove it" moves. You don't have to reject her angrily or crown it success just to feel better. Hold the end, treat whatever shows as neutral movement, and choose from the state, not from thirst or panic. If she hits the feeling you've been living in, congrats, that's alignment. If not, bless it, next, and stay in the end.

Can you cure a disease with SATS?
If yes did someone already do it or is it just theoretical?
It might be hard to ignore the pain for example, and live as if it was done. Not as easy as feeling a gf in your arms...

>>41352478
You know the body is capable of healing itself right? (Placebo)
It's not theoretical.

>>41352487
Yes I know but it doesn't happen often, and it wasn't really my question, no offense.
Maybe sats provides a more effective and consistent approach

>>41352478
Maybe. One day about two weeks ago I started to have a throat infection, and fever was coming, because of someone with laryngitis (or was it pharyngitis) who had visited us earlier. I hate throat infections, so while in SATS I decided that I was already cured. At the end of the session I noticed that my throat was normal for a few minutes already and the fever was gone. I was expecting it to come back but no. In the end I only was sick for less than two hours, while other members of the family were sick for three days, pretty cool, I wish it'll work again next time.

>>41352424
Thanks for the heads up mate.
Yes of course I won't be angry at her.
It was more about you know losing time and also avoiding hurting her if she feels attached to me right away whereas she's not my type.
I'm attracted by a certain kind of person, I know I can also be happy with another type of person ofc but this time I'm single I'd like to meet someone who checks all the boxes physically, because when it's not the case and I'm involved with someone who doesn't I dont feel really complete. And we end up both living a shitty love story.

Someone here said he found his soulmate with sats, I guess they match physically and mentally. The perfect match.

I am doing sats for this anyway. I can only imagine a scene where she has my ideal body type and face. For the mind/mentality side I dont know how or what to visualize but I hope my sub will catch up my desire. My sub, it's me as well after all, it's no stranger to me it knows me it knows what I like.

>>41352616
Yes that's cool.
I was talking about a serious disease though. That has no chance to go away by itself after a few days or weeks.
I guess it's possible, everything is possible in life if you believe it is.

Wow, a decent thread. The first in a very long time!

Anyhow, I was the anon shilling "Scripting the Life You Want: Manifest Your Dreams with Just Pen and Paper Paperback" from Royce Christyn. It's been another two-ish weeks since I posted and I have since moved on from his methods. The problem with Royce is that his methodology is full of limiting beliefs and his techniques are too ritualistic for me so at the end of the day it feels like you practicing occult magick with a LOA skin mask. Said differently, you fall into the trap of "doing something to get something" instead of simply acknowledging to yourself that you are what you want already.

Finally, I am always suspect of anyone who comes from a privileged background because their manifestations are always suspect because when you reach a certain level of $$, you can just buy your way to success (which is why I don't like Neville or Orion myself personally).

>>41353377

Anyhow, it's not all bad. I noticed that my daily lists were manifesting items so I dropped the daily scripting + journals and since my manifestations barely change, I simply adopted the RHJ "It Works" approach where I have a list of items I read three times a day that I combine with robotic affirmations throughout the day. My scripts never manifested (nor did I really care DESU as I could give a shit about the day to day) and if you have a busy life it is hard to keep up with all of the shit Royce wants you to do.

Anyhow, "It Works" I would argue is literally the best LOA book in the world and all you need in order to succeed. Besides that, lately I have just been listening to "The Power of I AM" from YouTube (as he seems to best take on things) just to hammer in the concepts.

Besides the book itself, here is a nice supporting post:
>https://www.amazon.com/review/R27IELWGMYAOYK

Meanwhile since I last posted, I managed to fuck a Japanese girl and I lost all desire to have a Japanese girlfriend/wife. I still have yellow fever (Chinese/Korean for me) but the Japanese are fucking autistic bug people to a degree that I was not ready for. Holy shit. Oh and I managed to sneak out of a bunch of bullshit projects at work which was a bonus.

>>41351955
I know how people struggle: They don't relax, not used to it, so how can they reach SATS

>>41343264
very well put!

how do i cure herpes which is a nerve condition that is practically untraceable in the body beyond blood test? Even if you get a negative blood test there's a chance it can still be extremely latent in your nervous system.

>:"just assume its gone"

No fuck you, go fuck yourself. There are people who go there entire lives not being bothered by their herpes then suddenly wake up to menningitis and have a near death experience. I need to manifest SCIENTIFIC CONCLUSIVE PROOF that it is gone.

>>41352478
First, you have to stop doing and thinking shit like this
>>41352644
>I was talking about a serious disease though.
It you start giving importance and putting whatever is happening to you in a pedestal, you already lost. Doing it you're playing clownworld games, 3D games, "real" life "rules". At that point just go to the doctor, take some herbs or whatever you think is a "real cure".
I'm not telling you this in a bad plan or to make fun of you. You're searching for outside (or better said, inside) help, for something different to whatever the world have to offer you that in it's rules, may not be enough. Your help in clownworld terms may not even exist.
Why are you conditioning "divine" help? You just need it, you're already fucked and have nothing to lose. If you do this correctly, don't do stupid shit like doing 69 SATS hours per day, you continue living your outside 3D life and using what it offers you to fix your situation, like going to the doctor, taking your medicines, etc. it shouldn't impact your life at all but you can get a lot from it, even if it ends being just mental peace.
UL ask you to know some thing about Yourself and 10 minutes two time every day. SATS are similar, a personal time for you that also counts as resting. There is a lot of methods and they don't really matter, but you have to change that "the world told me this is hard so this is hard" mentality or everything will be...hard.
I know, reddit, i don't fucking care, take this:
https://old.reddit.com/r/NevilleGoddard/comments/vsx4vk/the_inner_shift_that_changes_everything_resolving/
>It might be hard to ignore the pain for example, and live as if it was done.
You have to do it in your imagination. You don't have to LARP all your life. Yes, you will have to make an effort in not going back to your normal attitude, it hurts, it sucks, I know but you don't need to act and literally like nothing happens. Read the link, it explains it better. Hope it helps.
Life is fun.

>>41353859
Just assume.

>>41353859
just assume its gone

>>41353950
Sup i want to manifest my 18 yo body [im 25 now] with UL (exact replica like it was when i was 18, so my 18 yo face, body, organs, brain, etc) but i dont know how long it would take. It feels too big and like im not gonna make it and that im better off manifesting smaller body changes compared to my fresh 18 yo vessel. Also when no one has manifested something like this. Thought on what should I do? I have read UL and I know it's jusr one of many possibilities that already exist in My unbounded state, but still.

>>41353859

I got you, but sofosbuvir from indian websites (it's like 20x cheaper), it's a legit cure made for hepatitis, has like 95% success rate. Check reddit for anecdotes

>>41340558
I assure you it's no joke. Try it.

I'M GOING TO ASSOOOOOOOOOOOOM

>>41352050
>Some anon posted an image before about binaural beats
This one maybe, nice to see you again if so
Binaurals are definitely a crutch that works, but lately I've been getting into Hemisync
imo, its essentially the same concept, but guided and with a lot more depth, a little bit different than visualization (but the same?), with a bunch of different practices, and not to mention of course, actual astral projection
I'm forward to delve into the deep of this

Anyway, I was the anon who crafted a few of the binaurals earlier, and the above made me realize that the real optimal way to do it would be with a guided binaural, something that brings you to that deep state but then has a cue to bring your conscious back, not sure how to do that yet

>>41354487
It's the same thing I told to that other anon. You want your 18 yo body, go for it. Stop caring about time. If you understand and believe you, as UL can become your 18 yo body here, right now, you also know time doesn't matter at all.
The "big" also doesn't matter. UL can be anything because everything is UL.
It's like editing the money or health value in memory in a video game. You don't change a memory value so you can do some retarded thing repeatedly in game to increment the money. You just put money value at 999999999 and it's done. Sometimes even the money counter doesn't change but you go to the shop, buy an 9999 item and your money changes to 999990000.
The example sounds stupid, but is similar. You're not "changing the situation", you're creating it or better said, you're becoming the situation you want because it already exist, like every other possibility. There is no real movement. Remember, the only real thing is UL. There is no "UL becomes this and moves like this and then moves like that and after a time becomes that". You, as UL, just become your situation right here, right now.
If it feels to big you have to know and remember Who you are.
Remember: Preparatory resolve, why you are UL, why do you know it works, then your 10 minutes command session:
intent->why you're doing that
commanding->"Simply as UL, I become my intent"
being UL->do nothing, let yourself be UL for some time
All three, on repeat, during the 10 minutes (or more, if you want or enjoy it), two times per day.
>Also when no one has manifested something like this
No one has told you he had done it. But has someone manifested it? You don't really know that.
Think about this.
Knowing how to solve a problem, doesn't mean you want to invite more problems to solve by telling other what you solved.
Life is fun.

>>41352105
>It's surprising, usually people struggle with entering sats, which you seem to master. The scene is quite easy to invent and imagine. It's funny how different we all are.
You would think so but that's really not the case, SATS is a case of practice , its been over and over again, just use the tools that are given to you (though most anons indeed don't look for it)
and when you get the hang of the above you realize what is hard is actually crafting a small, repeatable scene, that encompasses that which you has your wish fulfilled (and not in between or something that could implied is not yet done)

Specially when it comes to a desire that you want to achieve but really isn't in your conscious mind that much, pretty much like other anon said about money, I have pretty much the same issue.
So it makes all the more hard to keep looping a boring, that you not really care stuff, over and over, for days, while still being faithful to that original scene you first had. Its only natural for the mind to wonder to whats on top of your worries/excited about, specially in a deep state.

>>41353377
Hello anon, I'm the other fellow that also read the book, thinking of dropping the method as well, though to be fair, while the day to day really seems rather boring, I will admit that writing it sort of has been smooth sailing from all these days. I'm about to read back on some stuff to see whats actually happened or not. My guess is probably the most mundane 1/2 happened without issue.

Also, having said that, I still think dairying about the day and revising if needed, is quite a valuable habit to have. And not only that but to journal about your manifestations and dreams as well.

>>41353423
>Meanwhile since I last posted, I managed to fuck a Japanese girl and I lost all desire to have a Japanese girlfriend/wife
WTH, you managed to it faster than me, and I live in Japan. I understand that feel too, tho if you're willing give details I love to read why you found her autistic.

>Anyhow, "It Works" I would argue is literally the best LOA book in the world and all you need in order to succeed. Besides that, lately I have just been listening to "The Power of I AM" from YouTube (as he seems to best take on things) just to hammer in the concepts.
Dunno about that, Neville works are still the best in my opinion, even I look into other stuff I tend to go back later as a way to filter through the sludge.

Anyway, I still feel as the 10day script and the intention lists, still have their value every now and then, at the very least its good to keep track of your wishes.

>>41353423
did you write your list on phone or paper?

>>41354794
>a guided binaural, something that brings you to that deep state but then has a cue to bring your conscious back, not sure how to do that yet
I actually slapped the 12-4 Hz binaural that I think you posted on top of some guided self-hypnosis I found on youtube using audacity
The lengths are mismatched as fuck, but the binaural covers basically 95% of the important parts
Ran into another problem - I pretty much fall asleep that way, and even if I do retain some control over my thoughts, something makes my entire body jolt and it throws me out of the state

>>41353859
>There are people who go there entire lives not being bothered by their herpes then suddenly wake up to menningitis and have a near death experience.
That's what disturbs me too. Anons here claim you just have to acas if you were already healed but meanwhile tons of people don't do any specific shenanigans and still end up ill. It's not all in the mind as some would like us to believe. Sometimes shits happen and we don't know why. Same as good things. No reason. Randomly.

>>41353950
>Read the link, it explains it better. Hope it helps.
NTA but I will read it too.
How do you explain people who are not believing they could find a cool partner in life, still end up with an awesome some and live an awesome life?
How do you explain some others really believe the charming prince on his white horse exists, and end up in shity life with a shity partner.
This makes no sense.
You gonna tell me they didn't take 10min a day to imagine and live in their life. But there are tons of examples of events that happen (or not) that haven't been imagined (or not) first everyday.
But I'm willing to keep an open mind and experiment.
What confuses me from some of you is the certainty you have about all of this how it works.
You can't explain many things happening to people so a little bit of humility should be good.
But I'm not saying this in a bad way, your contributions are very much appreciated.

>>41354797
>you also know time doesn't matter at all.
This, is also disturbing. Go say this to someone who has a life threatening disease.
We are made of flesh and bones, of course time doeant matter if you consider we are eternal, but in this realm we have a limited time to live.