Thread 41363988

Mystery of the Cross Edition!

Christian Esotericism is the inner and/or mystical aspect of the Christian Religion, it includes:
>Christian Gnosis (Clement of Alexandria)
>Desert Fathers Spirituality (Evagrius Ponticus)
>Catholic Contemplative Tradition (Bonaventure)
>Hesychasm (Gregory Palamas)
>Chivalry (Wolfram von Eschenbach)
>Christian Alchemy (George Ripley)
>Rhineland Mysticism (Meister Eckhart)
>Christian Cabala (Johannes Reuchlin)
>Paracelsianism (Paracelsus)
>Rosicrucianism (Robert Fludd)
>Christian theosophy (Jakob Böhme)
>Martinism (Louise Claude de Saint-Martin)
>Swedenborgianism (Swedenborg)
>Magical Idealism (Novalis)
>Romanticism (Baader)
>Anthroposophy (Rudolf Steiner)
>Sophiology (Sergei Bulgakov)
>Christian Hermeticism (Valentin Tomberg)
>Fourth Way (Boris Mouravieff)
>Christian Traditionalism (Jean Borella)
>Divine Love (James Padgett)
And much more, so let's continue to talk about it!

>Resources (WIP)
https://www.john-uebersax.com/plato/cp.htm
https://jacobboehmeonline.com/
https://archive.org/details/awakening-to-divine-wisdom-christian-initiation-into-three-worl-nodrm_202202/mode/1up
https://janelead.org/resources.html
https://archive.org/details/bookofcontemplat00unde/
https://archive.org/details/rudolf-steiner-book-collection/
https://swedenborg.com/bookstore/free-ebooks-downloads/
https://www.gornahoor.net/?page_id=47
https://archive.org/details/meditations-on-the-tarot/
https://files.catbox.moe/8n4061.djvu (Meditations on the Tarot)
https://eliasartista.substack.com/
https://passtheword.org
https://catenabible.com/mt/

>>41363988 (OP)
Previous thread >>41299646

>>41363988 (OP)
This list is a deliberate attempt to confuse people by mixing a few orthodox things with a pile of condemned heresy and occultism. Both the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches condemn this.

The reason this list is so deceptive is that it mixes legitimate Apostolic traditions (St. Bonaventure for Catholics, St. Gregory Palamas for Orthodox) with Gnostic and occult systems that are totally incompatible with Christianity.

Gnosticism, Sophiology, and Traditionalism (Perennialism) are all formal heresies. In fact, Sophiology was explicitly condemned by the Eastern Orthodox Church itself.

Rosicrucianism, Anthroposophy, Martinism, and Swedenborgianism are not 'esoteric Christianity'; they are separate occult religions.

Divine Love (Padgett) is just spiritism.

The most important thing that unites Catholics and Orthodox against all of these groups is Apostolic Succession. Both our Churches trace our authority and valid sacraments back to Christ and the Apostles. None of the groups on this list can do that. They are man-made systems, which is why they are rejected.

>>41364486
>This list is a deliberate attempt to confuse people by mixing a few orthodox things with a pile of condemned heresy and occultism. Both the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches condemn this.
The list is a neutral compilation of different topics related to Christian Esotericism, I don't believe in half of it either but the topics are there to be broad enough for various types of conversations
>Gnosticism
Yes it's a heresy, but the Christian Gnosis in the list is the tradition of Clement and Origen of Alexandria
>Sophiology
It is controversial but only in Russia and that controversy comes from a misunderstanding, thinking Sophia is some sort of fourth Hypostasis when no one claimed her to be
>Traditionalism
Not the biggest fan of Traditionalist Perrenialism myself, but that doesn't stop many members to be very knowledgeable, but usually, the Christians who were part of the current tended to leave it after some time
>Rosicrucianism
Original Rosicrucianism was just authentic Lutheran Esotericism, modern Rosicrucianism are made up of various scams
>Anthroposophy
Yeah not a fan either, but I have some respect for Steiner
>Martinism
Originally authentic, now a scam, also look up Joseph de Maistre
>Swedenborgianism
Yeah
>Divine Love
I have no idea what that is, an anon added it

How, genuinely, should a Christian perceive Halloween? I originally believed All Saints Day was inspired by the pagan practice, until I discovered it used to be on various dates across the liturgical calendar, including during May and Easter - so the idea it "copied" from the pagan idea of the boundaries between the world of the living and the dead is a myth propagated by wiccans. Should I be more on my guard from divinations during this time? Should I even participate in pumpkin carving?

Views on the comet? If it comes to Earth supernaturally, should we take it as Gods sign?

These threads need to get even more esoteric. When are we finally gonna combine Hesychast practice with ritual? Why is no one looking at ancient Christian grimoires and practicing Hesychast style prayer in the areas it says to do so before hand?
This is such an obvious thing but I've never seen anyone in the thread experiment with this.

>>41365738
Because divination is of the Devil.

>>41365745
I didn't even mention anything about divination though
What even is the point of you being in a Christian esotericist thread if the first response you have to mentioning "we should do more esoteric things" is to say "it's from the devil"???

>>41363988 (OP)
i can't stop thinking about julian of norwich and her vision about jesus and the chesnut. any insight on her?

>“And in this [sight], he showed a little thing the quantity of a hazelnut, lying in the palm of my hand as it seemed to me, and it was as round as any ball. I looked therein with the eye of my understanding, and thought: “What may this be?” And it was answered generally thus: “It is all that is made.” I marveled how it might last, for it seemed to me it might suddenly have fallen into nought for its littleness. And I was answered in my understanding: “It lasteth and ever shall, because God loveth it. And so hath all things being by the love of God.”

any guides to get into hermeticism?

>>41365420
Halloween is a very beautiful holiday and it should be celebrated, the image of halloween is something that developed inside the USA, but because of that it has also been commercialized like Christmas
>>41365717
The more i read about Second Temple Judaism and the Apostolic Fathers the more i understand how much theosophy continues those traditions
>>41365732
Poimandres is based on the Timaeus and Genesis
>>41365738
Grimoires already talk about ascetic practices as a prerequisite for practicing what's in them, but grimoires are worthless, the only "good" ones, Liber Honorius and Ars Notoria, are just about the Beatific Vision and knowledge of the Liberal Arts respectively, today we comfuse magic as the path to God, but for Agrippa, magic is the result of the path to God, and Paracelsus explains that a true magus doesn't need any rituals, just his imagination
>>41365781
The chestnut sounds like the "microcosm"
>>41367990
What is called Hermeticism now are various groups that have no idea what they're talking about, then there's the Hermeticism of the Renaissance which is overblown, only Lodovico Lazarreli is a real "Hermeticist" in that era", si there's only antique Hermetism, which is a separate religion from Christianity, you can read the Corpus Hermeticum for that, but you won't understand the historical context of it

>>41368094
>various groups that have no idea what they're talking about
but is there anything to learn? I only got into this board because I found out about Christos Oil. I want cool occult shit to live by

>>41363988 (OP)

I still don't understand how chi ro is supposed to be recognized by anyone as short for christ, I don't believe that's what this symbol meant. Names were never abbreviated like that and nobody has used CHR as short for jesus. Plus he didn't speak greek at all. I dont believe that Constantines vision was of a christian cross, he clearly saw a pagan sun cross and the christian dream interpreter lied or misunderstood. The whole story around him is refabricated, just like the whole jesus mythos around some loudmouth judean schizo disrupting both parties governance.


Anyway Celsus was always right.

Why is it that miracles only seem to happen for Orthodox and Catholics? Have you ever heard of an Anglican or Lutheran miracle?

>>41368235
There is lots to learn, the Hermetic texts are an important influence on Medieval and Renaissance Christianity
>>41368307
The staurogram existed before the XP
Constantine was of Illyrian descent and was born in Nissus, today Nis in Serbia, the Illyrians were Latinized but before that they were Hellenized, Jerome who was Illyrian as well was a Polyglot, he knew his tongue, Latin, Greek and Hebrew, and since Constantine moved the capital to the east, while he grew up in a Latinized environment he probably knew Greek as well, even if just a bit, like Justinian centuries later, who was also Illyrian
Constantine's beliefs are a bit mysterious, but from what you can gaher from him, Julian the Apostate and some fragments, Illyrians might have had some sort of Henotheism with a Sun god at the center, because after the Crisis of the 3rd Century most Roman Emperors came from Illyria, as by then they made up most of the Military, Roman religion seems to heavily shift into having Helios/Sol Invictus/Apollo as their central deity, which us unlike the Greek focus on Zeus and the original Roman focus on Quirinius, Jupiter and Mars, that's also why Julian the Apostate who was Illyrian and schooled in Neoplatonism wanted to replace Christianity with a Neoplatonism where Helios is synonymous with the One
So Constantine also probably associated Christianity and Jesus with his Henotheistic beliefs
>Anyway Celsus was always right.
The reason you know Celsus is because Origen refuted him, and to do so he had to quote him
>>41368405
Evangelicals and Charismatics have dozens of reported miracles as well, Anglicanism and Lutheranism is just much more obscure as they don't have that many followers in Europe, and the Anglican and Lutheran countries are secular now with a large amount of non-religious people
Jakob Böhme, Johann Georg Gichtel, Emmanuel Swedenborg, John Pordage, all have interesting stories connected to them which can be considered miraculous

Have studied occult, it is useless delusion.
Agrippa eventually figured that out.

>three large books, which I called Of Occult Philosophy, in which what was then through the curiosity of my youth erroneous, I now being more advised, am willing to have retracted, by this recantation; I formerly spent much time and costs in these vanities. At last I grew so wise as to be able to dissuade others from this destruction.

>>41368556
Magick does not work.
That is why we invented science and technology instead of "swing a chicken over your head to treat malaria".

4000BC

>>41317210
really nice
>>41352738
great idea

>>41365781
she cute

>>41365781
>chesnut
hazelnut
similar to acorn, except more tasty lol
chestnut has too many layers to be relevant to that vision

pray for the Jamaicans

Let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one

>>41370424
What did Jesus mean by this? What were the Apostles going to defend themselves from?

Ive come to the conclusion the reason the east-west schism will never heal is purely because of tribalism.

What did you do today to fight the antichrist system?

anyone else love that 'bout here err' body should be."

>kind of the sign it is?

>>41369659
Jamaicans are cool and peace-loving but what relevant Saints are there we might pray, so they pray for them?

>>41370707
Can't say but probably Aquarius, based on my dreams.

>>41370723
John of Nepomuk, patron saint of floods for both Catholics and Orthodox.

>>41368094
>Second Temple Judaism
>theosophy continues those traditions
That's unfortunate.

do orthodox jews even believe in the talmud?

>>41371144
They believe in the Mosaic narrative, which is almost as demonic.

>>41370691
I rejected the Mosaic narrative and the worship of the demon Yahweh. In it's place, I've put the teachings of Lord Jesus Christ. I honor his Father, El Elyon.

>>41371226
What's does the name Jesus mean?

>>41371144

Almost no one even reads it. That shit is the size of an encyclopedia and the most boring book you will ever read

>>41371226
What does the name Elijah mean?
You read into the Bible too much. You are like the pharisees.

>>41371226
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=begKyhTWkhQ

>>41371196
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1q5Ek2L8-E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7kLKN8m_Nc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MKiLbH1Qzc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMXozksQzXo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDQSUfIV3_A

>>41364486
most of the shit OP lists is just thinly veiled masonry
there is absolutely no reason at all to associate the desert fathers or Clement with that garbage
they would in fact denounce it, if they were still on earth

>The Élus Coëns is an esoteric Christian order founded in 1767, with its focus on establishing an invisible church, independent of any earthly structure, to find the path that leads to the hidden knowledge of nature in anticipation of the coming destruction of the material Church.

The goal of masonry (in the form we know it today) has always been the destruction of the Catholic church.
Before it took the form we know of in modernity, after the protestant "reformation" and the subsequent termination in construction of the gothic cathedrals the original and true Masons occupied themselves with, this wasn't the case.

But the end of their real work in construction forced them to open their doors to aristocrats and wealthy merchants to remain solvent, who had a different kind of construction project in mind.
Real craftsmen have an affinity for work with natural substance of stone and wood, whereas this new and monied blood had always been more concerned with bending men to their will. Social manipulation, domination.
Instead of stonework, they would peddle influence, and instead of great churches they would build unholy edifices of men locked together with blood oaths as mortar in conspiracy. Reshape society itself according to their whim, fashion men to their end as if they were just another brick in the wall. Chip away the slough, smoothe out the rough edges, so to speak. In the end the only legacy of true stonemasonry left in the organization were the mere trappings of symbolism and innuendo.
From reshaping a stone according to a geometric design, to the reshaping of men and society at large according to certain principles in the creation of a new world order.
The grand lodge was formed primarily to neutralize the activity of the Jesuits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H78KaUYGYkY
https://onepeterfive.com/the-sacred-heart-the-most-precious-blood-and-mystical-chivalry/

24 You shall make an altar of earth unto me, and you shall offer upon it your holocausts and peace offerings, your sheep and oxen, in every place where the memory of my name shall be: I will come to thee, and will bless thee.

25 And if thou make an altar of stone unto me, thou shalt not build it of hewn stones: for if thou lift up a tool upon it, it shall be defiled.

...


1 And Moses with the ancients of Israel commanded the people, saying: Keep every commandment that I command you this day.

2 And when you are passed over the Jordan into the land which the Lord thy God will give thee, thou shalt set up great stones, and shalt plaster them over with plaster,

3 That thou mayst write on them all the words of this law, when thou art passed over the Jordan: that thou mayst enter into the land which the Lord thy God will give thee, a land flowing with milk and honey, as he swore to thy fathers.

4 Therefore when you are passed over the Jordan, set up the stones which I command you this day, in mount Hebal, and thou shalt plaster them with plaster:

5 And thou shalt build there an altar to the Lord thy God, of stones which iron hath not touched,

6 And of stones not fashioned nor polished: and thou shalt offer upon it holocausts to the Lord thy God:

7 And shalt immolate peace victims, and eat there, and feast before the Lord thy God.

8 And thou shalt write upon the stones all the words of this law plainly and clearly,

9 And Moses and the priests of the race of Levi said to all Israel: Attend, and hear, O Israel: This day thou art made the people of the Lord thy God.

Kinda related but lit synchronicity just happened
On the left is a drawing I made last july that I just titled "Sophia"
On the right is a random painting I just found on the internet made my some woman for a church in San Francisco
Notice the writing, and the "rainbow aura" behind the character
Note that I had no idea of the existence of the painting on the right

https://holystonesandironbones.com/2025/03/08/working-in-that-good-old-fashion-way-the-bible-in-appalachian-folk-spiritual-practices/
https://holystonesandironbones.com/2025/03/09/working-in-that-good-old-fashion-way-genesis-ii/

>>41371144
They are supposed to accept the Mishnah which is the Oral Torah written down, it's the basis of the Talmud, the other part, the Gemara, are commentaries on it which also contain debates
Basically Mishnah New Testament, Gemara = Church Fathers
>>41373180
18th Century Masonry contained within itself a Christian Esotericism which was replaced with Moralism after the French Revolution
>>41374923
Christianity in the first centuries A.D was dependant on the Paradosis, the Tradition handed down by the Apostles to the Church, and that Paradosis was a Gnosis, a Knowledge above any rationalization, it came down from up high, that's why Ignatius of Antioch wrote that he had comprehended the Powers and Principalities, he was taken up and came back down like the Prophets, by the time of Origen the Paradosis had to be written down, and began to also exist inside of Theology so that it can be somewhat grasped

>>41371144
they probably whip it out when the debate gets heated, for which I could hardly blame them as they might be having the same debate and reinventing the wheel instead of progressing the issue

>>41375334
any good English editions of the Mishnah and/or Gemara?

>18th Century Masonry contained within itself a Christian Esotericism which was replaced with Moralism after the French Revolution
pic rel is not really relevant, but worth mentioning anyway... mainly concerns England / France / Germany... probably other places too, although I only read the first chapter... believe me even the first chapter is enough to blow your mind and recognize patterns in current day affairs

>>41373180
>masonry
depends on what you mean by masonry... its most obvious characteristic probably is that you take a very general oath that ends up putting the masonic organization above your free will (and the Word of the Bible)

other than the oath, there is nothing wrong with "masonic-type" organizations as they are an off-shoot of living in cities
both pre-Christian Judaism and Christianity are by excellence a city-linked religions (contrast it to Hinduism which is exclusively rural: no matter how big their "cities" grow, they will still technically be towns)
since we are today are living in the "global village" (AM radio, satellite TV, internet, smartphones...) no wonder that both European institutions and Christianity are being eroded: no more cities where you can find great neighbors; even freemasonry died out because of this, in a VERY short time-frame (1950-2010s)
in my opinion we should have drawn the line at steam trains: both city friendly and saves the lives of horses

>>41364486
the Church is against representing exception as the rule
by clearly marking them "esoteric", it should tell anybody (maybe except yourself) what's the deal with them

Bump

Sumens illud Ave
Gabrielis ore,
funda nos in pace,
mutans Evae nomen.

is the symbol on this shield similar to anything you anons have seen or is it some random shit?

>>41378529
sure, there are four or five symbols which you could easily figure out for yourself... yet their combination doesn't make any sense (except for marketing purposes)

>freemasonry
just look at this thread of freemasons taking shin-kicks at each other for not being "real" enough
pretty insane, but a necessary vaccine
>>>/pol/520118471

How do we interpret the parts of the bible where the Lord destroys cities and favors certain tribes??

"In defense of Paganism"
https://youtu.be/9zibbLCqZu8?si=dvWUM9wAMnEN9y7A

>>41379384
Gregory of Nyssa's Life of Moses explains some of it in the mystical sense, the Egyptians drowning in the sea being equated to the passions and purgation.

>>41379312
>there are no demons... but there are demons
poor man thinks "daemon" and "demon" can be conflated... in fact they can't... he even says so: evil spirit... in greek daemon is more or less "spirit", while we could translate "evil spirit" as demon (in current usage)

>>41379364
I'm not surprised that 1 Enoch makes people (literally) shit themselves. 1 Enoch is a witness account, part of the Bible or not, if you read it you can't deny it. Same for the book of Dan(iel)... which, I've seen, is denied by some.
As the people of the Angel Isle say: the proof of the pudding is in eating it.

>>41363988 (OP)
>list
can we maybe add composers?
Bach was protestant yet also composed some Catholic works which are unsurpassed even today
Monteverdi composed bawdy madrigals yet also the first person to have composed orchestral pieces with a Christian theme
Anton Bruckner was basically a mystic
there are probably more

>>41379579
Wow.

>>41379579
>starts every video with an appreciation of Mary, mother of the Christ, may he have mercy upon us sinners
incredibly based
may the Mother of Christ pray for us, sinners. Amen

Here's the "Wizard of Oz" post:

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1ogrzko/was_the_wizard_of_oz_nothing_more_than_an/

>>41363988 (OP)
The YouTuber Alchemical Catholic, aka Catholic Perennialist, deleted his channel. Does anyone know if he has another account somewhere on Odysee or Rumble that goes by a different name? I can't seem to find him.

>>41385578
>>41385568
now this is a guy whom I'd brew a beer with. maybe even drink it too :)

>>41388414
;-)

>>41388270
Do we know why he did?

>>41388270
a quick rundown? my first reaction was to call for any anons who saved his videos (i regularly download videos I like using yt-dlp) upload it to archive.org... but we might as well respect his choice
remember Newton who burned all his notebooks upon a revelation and from then on dedicated his life to optics
no matter how stupid, respect the choices of your fellow humans. that's what it boils down to.

Anyone have the pic of reading recommendations?

>>41390312
Thanks, any favorites here?

>>41390676
The image should be remade honestly
Start with Theosophia by Arthur Versluis

>>41379357
Those books look very expensive.

>>41389397
I remember him saying that the thinks that there's going to be another major psyop soon, which will result in widespread censorship and the suppression of dissenting voices.

It was kind of a shame. His videos were really insightful.
>>41389612
He's a Catholic perennialist. He posted videos on esotericism and the Bible. More recently he was uploading videos on the Charlie Kirk shooting, saying that it was a staged event.

>>41392526
Martinism is fascinating, but I could not find many English books on it. What would you recommend someone interested to start?

>>41394483
Read the Martinism books by Arthur Edward Waite, there sadly isn't much on English about them

>41395510
They talk about how much of what is seen as "esoteric" today is a revival of the ancient Christian view of the cosmos, that became submerged after the Enlightenment and the Scientific Revolution. Groups like the Rosicrucians were not trying to reject science, but to marry it to a more ancient spiritual view of reality. They were not just about looking back on the past but interested in building an alternative modernity.

>>41395870
Everyone on YouTube talks about how bad things are in France right now, and indeed they truly are, but there are also a lot of places where things are good. But these are like small pockets of normalcy.

>>41363988 (OP)
How do all of you reconcile with the reality that organized Christianity is a firmly exoteric tradition, and that it's almost untenable to detach from its Judaic roots as a "ritual-based religion" where the most important thing is upholding ritualism?

I feel like there is a grave contradiction in holding all of these beliefs, for instance, and affirming the Old Testament. There's nothing esoteric about that. It's the standard Near Eastern Storm God mythos with the Jewish version of the Code of Hammurabi stapled onto a recounting of history.

>>41396975
Can't speak for anybody else but I'm trying to make time to learn Hebrew and I am incorporating as many rituals from the time of Jesus Christ (e.g. blessing of food) as I can. The ritual-based aspect you mention is something I find lacking in Christianity (or at least Catholicism), and I'm not sure it can be replaced by the ritual of work (like the infamous "Protestant work ethic").

There is another thing: Jews loved, and love, to learn. And to teach. That agrees with me. And they are probably the only group on Earth that consistently and unerringly respect their elders.

I think you raise a very important question.
I could say many "bad things" about the Jews. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to say a few good ones. The world would be a sadder place if I didn't see from time to time Jews running on the street, covered from head to shin, by one of those prayer shawls.

>>41397213
I want to clarify that I don't have a problem with the Jews as a people. It's just that my feeling is that Christianity really isn't an "esoteric" religion as understood by its "orthodoxy" (defined, for me, by any Christianity that is Nicaean in origin.) It's whole thing is exotericism, the outward display of religion. Even the "mystics" are very curated.

I have a difficulty accepting the line between the OT and the NT. I do believe in the Christ, but I'm unconvinced that he was the Messiah as predicted by the Jewish scriptures. If anything, he seems like the "Savior" predicted by the various mystic cults of the Roman World leading up to this. He didn't fulfill their hopes of some great Jewish revolt followed by an eternal Davidic Kingdom, but he did fulfill the prophecies of other people that there would be someone who would come and bring about a unification of God and Man.

>>41397233
I'm far from being an expert, in fact I have little to no idea about the concepts of Messianic Judaism (I'd be grateful if you cold enlighten me a little bit), yet I feel that the moment of the Incarnation and the wide adoption of Christianity by the Roman elites, both civil and military, lends credence to some of the points you bring up.

This is speculation, but I'd assume that if it weren't so, Rome would have collapsed a lot faster and more violently, taking down a lot of other kingdoms with it (including the Jews, who barely survived the destruction of the Second Temple).

On the other hand, seeing how people take things lightly nowadays makes me think that we are in a new "tower of Babel" situation... it started with the uncontrolled spread of technology (with printing and clocks) and now we have A.I.

>>41397494
I don't think there's an issue with the Old Testament as a piece of mythic understanding. I think there's a degree of "truth" scattered in all things. But I'm not convinced that Christ incarnated because of some Jewish prophecies given to them by their god.
>Messianic Judaism
Their view is that the Messiah is a man from the Davidic line who will rise up, lead the Jews to victory and unify all of the 12 Tribes, and overthrow the goyim and install an Earthly Kingdom from which the "World to Come" will be initialized.

>>41397507
I did not link the reincarnation to prophecies, although maybe I'm closer to understanding how that would influence the Christian-Jewish relations with regards to the Messiah.
>their god
So you think that the god represented in the OT was "evil"? Ain't that a bit unfair (in lack of a better word)? After all there may as well be as many "goyim" among those who call themselves Jews as among those who call themselves Christians...

>I don't think there's an issue with the Old Testament as a piece of mythic understanding. I think there's a degree of "truth" scattered in all things.
Maybe you're not, but I'm just a human, how can I judge those kinds of things...

>>41397596
>reincarnation
Pardon me, meant to write "incarnation"

>>41397638
https://aleteia.org/2025/11/01/students-need-help-getting-in-touch-with-inner-selves-says-pope/

>Christian Esotericism
So Eastern Orthodox Christian faith then.
Begone Orthodox is the answer to these threads. All this mix and match with the other political "Christian" Anglicans and the Italians are confusing the people who are interested in Jesus.

Cheesith Cwithe

>>41396975
What do you understand by exoteric and esoteric?
Ritual is one of the centerpieces, the Ecclesiastical hierarchy mirrors the Angelic one in heaven, Christians become divinized by eating the flesh and blood of Christ
What do you think about the Hexaemeron, Ezekiel or Daniel?
>>41397233
I think you connect esotericism to heterodoxy by definition
He fulfills the "Eternal Davidic Kingdom", that's the Kingdom of Heaven, read about the Qumran sect's expectations for the Messiah and compare it to Jesus, try Enoch as well
>>41397507
>But I'm not convinced that Christ incarnated because of some Jewish prophecies given to them by their god.
Why?
>>41397711
You mean become, not begone right?

>>41397711
Are there any Eastern Orthodox groups that reject the satanic doctrine of Divine Simplicity and instead strive to love and serve God?

Redpill me on photons Frens of Christ

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_light

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfiguration_of_Jesus

>In the gospel accounts, Jesus and three of his apostles, Peter, James, and John, go to a mountain (Mount Tabor, later referred to as the Mount of Transfiguration) to pray. On the mountaintop, Jesus begins to shine with bright rays of light.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biophoton

>>41396975
I meditated over the night upon your questions and answers, and have concluded that I have no idea what are you talking about.

I don't really see the need to use such pretentious words as esoteric and exoteric.
1. If there is one person who can judge (or separate) which is which, it's Jesus Christ. That's good enough for me. Otherwise I try to rely on what was given to me. Of course I fail most of the time... but I try to do it less
>"I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well" Psalm 139:14

2. Is such a distinction stopping almost all Jews and Muslims doing wicked rituals in secret, while pretending otherwise? No, of course not. The hate for Christians, by both groups, is clear evidence (especially the Jewish hatred for Jesus...) that cannot be explained by any other means

As for the Christian (Greek, Russian etc.) Orthodox, well, most of their identity revolves around not being Catholic and not being Protestant. Does that stop people being scammed by gypsies from all kinds of protestant sects, all the time (at least in Europe)? No. But the so-called Orthodox sure like to complain about other peoples' business!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm-JtuGBwqU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kShGfF238t4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sa_kv_7FVk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_d1hWkksxE

Are there any documentaries that tackle the topic of Tartaria from a /ceg/ perspective?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa1r9O0-PEE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3P132-d6K0

>>41401726
Thank you. I found out that Kurt Vonnegut's argument against organized religion was something similar: we should be against "something" where one man can give another man an excuse (or an order) to hurt a third man.

Well, if a priest pointed at a man and said to me that the Lord commanded me (not even him, but me!) to kill or hurt that man... I'd laugh in his face!

And anybody who would take that priest seriously is a bona fide retard, from whom I would move as far as possible, as fast as possible... which is probably how the proto-semites moved away from the africans... the proto-levantines from the semites... proto-whites from the levantines... and so on until we ran out of space. Atlantis sinking, with each line drawn between the OT and NT at that!

So... does a man's lack of insight and fear of responsibility legitimize him to be against organized religion, whatever that means?

Some of certainly think so, namely Hindus or Muslims:
1. today they are the only ones to profit from the results, as the concept simply does not apply to them... it applies only to the western world where some other organized group (organized atheism?) do all in their power to import them
2. the malicious and low-IQ "split between NT and OT" propaganda is clearly aimed at Christianity
2a. Muslims are the only ones with suicide bombers, mass murder, trucks of peace, daily stabbings; they are also either enamored with communism and globohomo and contradict themselves three times in two sentences ("you wouldnt understand bro," unless you convert)
2b. Hindus have crime as their defacto religion (including scamming, rape, and thugs, infiltrators, cannibals etc.), both in their own country which they managed to transform into the shithole of Earth, and abroad

I got nothing against either, but they need to go back physically, vanish from the internet too, and from the technological landscape especially.
They have proven themselves, now it's time for them to go back home.

Friends, I am going through the hardest period of my life right now. I have nobody to talk to and no way out of this situation, my entire life is ruined and things are only getting darker around me. Please pray for me and my family, I beg of you. God bless you all.

>>41404004
what happened anon

>>41404004
I'll pray for you and your family.

>>41404035
Everything was going good this year. I got my finances in order, I got healthy, I repaired relationships with people and I started to seek Jesus Christ in a meaningful way. I pray 5~ a day, I spend much of my free time reading excerpts from the bible and trying to apply them to my own life, I started giving money to people who I thought needed it, and I felt like everything was finally working out.

Last week, I woke up and my wife told me she was leaving me after 10+ years. We had a mostly good relationship, and the past year had been the best since the beginning. She could provide no real reasoning other than saying she felt trapped and needed to leave. We have three kids together, who I take care of, she was the sole provider. She left and I do not know where she went. She took the car, I have no way of making money, no family, no friends. I begged her to just work with me, I told her how the children don't know where their mother is and how this is causing them extreme pain. She simply told me to stop contacting him. I have eaten 3 meals in the last 7 days, I feel like I'm having a heart attack consistently ever moment of the day, and I keep having the worst luck, anything that can go wrong does.

I am keeping it together for my children, that is all I have. I am completely fucked and filled the deepest sadness and grief I could possibly imagine. I am begging God to please see this and please know that I am truly sorrowful for everything I have ever done wrong and I just want to be saved. I have no idea what else to do and I am crippled by anxiety and uncertainty.

>>41404099
she might have been a spy
you can't imagine the shitstorm that's coming

>>41404203
At this point brother, I'll believe anything. It's like she has become possessed.

>>41363988 (OP)
>come across QT christian asmr channel
>watch a few vids
>maybe I'm too hard on christians, I think.
>see one where she's with her fella
>oh wonder what he looks li-
>its a darkie
>once again proven that i am 100% right about christianity

>>41404872
>sees people happy in life
>not trooning out, not fagging, not genociding babies
>good couple altogether that does not incur in the evil of the world(faggotry)
>seethes because you don't like the race of one of them
Have you ever tried to not be this miserable?

>ctr f Teresa
>Ctrl f Carmelite
Please read the Interior Castle.

Eff it man, I'm going with Buddhism. Buddha was wrong about some things but I see now he was just being factitious for a good reason.

>>41405068
A heretic is a Christian who believes Ina serious error. They are far less retarded than the embarrassments to the white race which pretend to believe in paganism. Thankfully these fringe retards are not something anyone had to put up with in real life since they are so few and far between.

>>41407180
I have heard about a lot of midwits making that decision, some intelligent people too. It's probably better than being an atheist, if you can manage not to shit in the middle of the street and "be a vegetarian about it" (how do you know someone is a vegetarian? they will tell you...)
Christianity was originally meant for the highest of the high, those who were made in the image of the Lord (Adam), and not created like some animals (on the sixth day)... that anon saying that "in Christianity everything is exoteric" is right, because when everything is esoteric, there is no difference between esoteric and exoteric.

>>41365717
Somebody is clearly simping here I'm just not sure who. What say the scholars on this matter?

>>41407173
tfw you’re an american dog and will never have a medieval church to visit

>>41408311
from what I remember there are actually medieval churches in the usa
they were dismantled stone by stone and shipped over piece by piece

>>41408188
>Christianity was originally meant for the highest of the high

>>41408380
can't tell if you put up that powerpoint slide from youtube in order to contradict or to confirm

>>41408188
It's just the better religion for me, I'm a fearful person and that power of faith stuff messes with your head.

>>41404872
trvth

>>41406545
>>41407213
poop colored hands wrote this

>>41408397
Im sure you can figure it out brother

Requiem aeternam dona eis, Domine.
Et lux perpetua luceat eis.

Te decet hymnus Deus in Sion.
Et tibi reddetur votum in Ierusalem.
Exaudi orationem meam.
Ad te omnis caro veniet.

Requiem aeternam etc.

>>41408480
ain't that why the penitential psalms of King David were written?

>>41414330
Any sort of Celtic or Germanic "Pagan faith" we know of today is a Christian development, Snorri thinks the Germanic gods were heroes of the Trojan war, he had an euhemeristic because he was Christian, and linked it to the Trojan war from his Latin cultural background, even though he was Icelandic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnLWyP9zjfE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4SR9A8FoY4

did anybody read this? sounds interesting

>>41425303
>>41425311
>>41425326
>>41425340
>>41425365
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U64vowEg78E

Euheumerism is likely correct
But this also applies to Jesus Christ

>>41428984
That part of Christianity is hotly debated, if the New Testament saw Jesus as just a man and later Church tradition turned him into God, like how the Buddha became more and more divine as time went on in Buddhism, i'd day that Jesus was just a man, but our earliest texts point to a different direction

The cross is no mystery. Its pain. Left to right, bottom to top. Its the beauty in a suffering god. Devil is also all too real. Real and necessary. Just as necessary as a nail to a cross. Happiness, free for all and let no one be forgotten.

Any recommended resources (books, websites, etc.) for learning koine greek? Finished reading DBH's NT translation recently and feel like it's time I get started.

>>41430859
I only ever read Athenaze

>>41433228
>>41433242
>>41433257
Very cool!

>>41433493
https://www.asau.ru/files/pdf/1517805.pdf

>>41436273
>>41436391

based

>>41433493
>>41438709
>>41438710
Great photos. What book is that?

>>41426138
whats this boomer seething about now

>>41363988 (OP)
Are there any esoteric Christian methods of fighting addiction that any anon here knows of? Now would be an excellent time to share. I'm sick of dope, and I'm sick of being a stinky, filthy, disgusting smoker.

>>41440790
If you want to stop, stop. There's probably some sketchy faith healer in most sizeable towns that could sell you some "esoteric healing" methods, but the best way to get cleaned up is to be honest with yourself and stay focused on wanting to live a better life.

>>41439693
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/05/mary-not-co-redeemer-vatican-pope-leo-catholic-church

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJwkuKDZJME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cglJXgyyDe8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJspQdjui8k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1XXx7WCg24

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWAERlZ2wYQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny3yj2Y1xZ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8RZX5y_9e4

>>41426138
>>41442506
Her divine receptivity is to be praised and emulated but considering the Word is the visible image of the invisible God, prior to emanation and that which through emanation is, metaphysically speaking how is he not the only mediator between God and Man? Redpill on what each side is going for with this

>>41426138
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7sjZEJu1Hk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXem_XkTH-A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WszTtRpfE30
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rwmxMdKBoJE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgP6-F92w-k
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5P_8Re_S3cY
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/iQkNZ8-2BbA
https://www.lulu.com/shop/w-r-selvig/the-yahweh-deception/paperback/product-kvd25kw.html

>>41364486
Have you by any chance read Vladimir Solovyov's philosophical works? In his letters, he talked about wanting to reconcile Orthodox and Catholic churches, emphasizing apostolic succession. What's your view on him?

>>41404099
Maybe the bad luck may be for your own good.
Vladimir Solovyov wrote, "The wise saying the worse, the better conforms fully to this life. The pleasure and enjoyment of it are dangerous because they are illusory; unhappiness and grief often appear as the only salvation."

>>41446390
Solovyov's "A Short Tale of the Antichrist" is great.

>>41446504
What makes it great in your view? I think he summed up his tale when he said Antichrist believes in God, but still prefers himself, which is why his antichrist is easily tempted.

>>41446770
I love the idea of Roman Catholicism (Church of Peter), Eastern Orthodox (Church of John), and Protestantism (Church of Paul), putting aside petty differences and forming a common front.

>>41447150
Solovyov wrote in his letters that Protestants found themselves outside of the Church, while the Orthodox and Catholic were still within the Church. It seems most of the Protestant sects reject the idea of continuous revelation, they aren't willing to accept new ideas outside of (their interpretation of) scriptures.

>putting aside petty differences and forming a common front.

But would you say it's feasible in our times? Or are they unwilling to do that? Will it be enough to present them with a common enemy/threat?

It seems like the biggest obstacle to carrying out Solovyov's vision (and other great ideas) has been the lack of resources, need a lot of funding/money to get a project off the ground.

>>41414330
Tell me more about your picrels?

I have seen God on more than one occasion.
>Mathew 5:8 - Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
I have seen The King of Kings, The Lord of Lords in a vision when I was praying. Perhaps I do in fact have a Pure Heart. Jesus is God, the Word of God.
>John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
The Lord Your God, The Holy One of Israel, Your Savior was sitting on the Throne. I saw Christ Jesus and I saw the Father and I have also seen the Holy Spirit and the 7 Spirits of God. I have been blessed with the sight of The Lord Your God, The Holy One of Israel, Our Savior

>>41447997
>But would you say it's feasible in our times?
I'm not sure that people want it. They may be happy in their own separate fiefdoms.

Does anyone know of any verses, saints scriptures, prayers in relation to the healing of eyes? Sorry if off topic I don’t usually post here, i recently had laser surgery in one of my eyes and had a freak accident and now am partially blind.

>>41449978
I am sorry to hear that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Lucy

>>41449978
Very sorry to hear that anon. But pray to St. Lucy as the anon before has already said for comfort and healing. St. Lucy had her eyes blinded and was killed by the sword.

You could pray the Divine Office for her (either 1960 or LOTH) on her feast day, 13th December.

>>41449318
Big if true anon.
Nonetheless, you should be cautious about visions. St. John of the Cross warns of visions and dreams and that we shouldn't put too much of our faith into these visions themselves and not exalt our soul because of them (that is, fall into spiritual pride or spiritual greed, cf. Book Dark Night of the Soul), but keep our faith and trust in Christ and His Bride the Church.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/HrjjxpTJchI
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KmrzY8emV7s
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/mWGQFUiaN9I
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Jmghr4cpPBg

>>41450296
It can't be as the anon claims, for none who have seen the face of God can live (Exodus 33:20). At any rate, one who testifies to their own virtue is likely self-deceived. Those who have a pure heart must be read alongside v3 (poor in spirit), it's not those who're perfect in virtue or blameless, but rather those who are doing some soul-searching,feel unsure about their place in life,feel empty in their hearts.

>>41450296
In the NT, seeing God face to face and as he is was mainly promised to the minority of believers who live in the Great Tribulation. Children who are raised during that time will be deprived of their knowledge of God, they will have no access to the Bible, priests, etc. so for a person to seek after God despite not knowing about him, they would have to be pure in heart.
It's interesting that you bring up St. John of the Cross. Simone Weil was inspired by him, she wrote, "When the inward nature of man, cut off from all carnal influences and deprived of all supernatural light, performs actions which are in conformity with those which light would impose if it were present, there is utter purity."

>>41449978
Usually if a person goes blind, they receive compensation from God and develop other latent faculties. (Tobit 5:10) (spirits are unable to see the living, but they can feel their presence and hear them.)
For real life examples, you can read up on Karl May, John Muir, Gustav Fechner, who were 1. each bedridden, 2. gained insight into creation, and 3. their sight eventually came back.

Why do Gospels contain so many accounts about the healing of those who were blind? Perhaps it's because they were given opportunities to see the world in a new light. (Tobit 3:17) This may be God's way of telling you to devote yourself to interests/fields of study, which you didn't have time for before. Here are three cases from antiquity: "falling sick he became extraordinary learned" / "forced him to the love of Learning" / "seems to have fallen sick advantageously"