Thread 41373814

EVENTS OF DECEMBER 1996

- 12/6/96: JonBenet appeared on her own Little Miss Colorado float during the Lights of December Parade on the Boulder Mall. Her behaviour during this parade - described as "provocative" - would later form part of the grand jury investigation against the Ramseys. A videotape may exist.
- 12/23/96: The Ramseys host a Christmas party with approximately 30 guests attending, with former journalism professor Bill McReynolds playing Santa Claus. JonBenet later told witnesses that "Santa" had promised her a secret visit after Christmas.
- 12/23/96: Someone attending the Ramsey's Christmas party placed a 911 call; the caller hung up without saying anything. An officer responds to the home and is told by Ramsey family friend Susan Stein over the intercom that there is no emergency, the officer leaves without further investigation. The accidental 911 call is later said to have been made by Ramsey friend Fleet White misdialling a number.
- 12/25/96: After a normal Christmas morning, the Ramsey's attend a small Christmas party at the home of Fleet and Priscilla White. They leave at 9 pm and briefly visit family friends the Stines. They return home around 9:30 PM. Both JonBenet and Burke are put to bed by 10 PM. John and Patsy go to bed at 10:30 and claim to sleep undisturbed through the night.
- 12 AM: Neighbor Sees Lights at Ramseys. Scott Gibbons looked out his kitchen window at the Ramsey residence and observed the upper kitchen lights were on and dimmed low.
- 2:00 am: Neighbor Melody Stanton heard scream.
- 5:45 am: Ramseys awaken, ransom note found
- 5:52 am: 911 call placed

EVENTS AFTER THE 911 CALL UP TO FINDING OF THE BODY

- Boulder police arrive. JonBenet's room is sealed off but the rest of the house is unsecured.
- Burke is taken to Fleet White's house and questioned by an officer.
- Multiple Ramsey family friends arrive to the home. Some clean the kitchen area, potentially destroying valuable evidence.
- By 10:30 AM all police except for detective Linda Arndt depart the residence, leaving one detective in charge of a crime scene filled with multiple people.
- At approximately 1pm detective Arndt suggests searching the house again from top to bottom.
- Shortly after 1pm John and Fleet search the basement. John Ramsey enters the wine cellar room, turns on the light, and finds JonBenet's body.
- John Ramsey carries JonBenet upstairs, setting her down on the floor. Though it's unclear why, Arndt then picked up the body again and moves it to the living room near the Christmas tree where Ramsey knelt beside her.
- Arndt claims to experience a moment of non verbal communication with John Ramsey which causes her to become so unnerved that she counts the number of bullets she has on her, later telling an interviewer she did so because she "didn't know if anyone in the house would still be alive when backup came."

THE BODY

- JonBenet's mouth was covered with duct tape, a nylon cord was found around her wrists and neck, and her torso was covered by a white blanket.
- Cause of death was strangulation and a skull fracture. Strangulation was done via a garrotte that was made from a length of nylon cord and the broken handle of a paintbrush which had been taken from Patsy's art supplies.
- Sexual assault committed probably via the paintbrush handle used to strangle her.
- Disagreement among experts if there was evidence of prior sexual abuse.
- Some hold that the violation with the paintbrush was done specifically to disguise evidence of previous sexual abuse.
- Pineapple or fruit cocktail containing pineapple likely eaten shortly before death. Bowl with pineapple in it found on the kitchen counter, both parents deny feeding her pineapple on the day of the murder.
- Possible evidence of a stun gun being used on JonBenet although this is also disputed.
- Red heart drawn on her hand with marker.
- Body showed evidence of being wiped down after death.
- Animal hair - believed to be from a beaver - was found on the duct tape. This hair could not be sourced to anything in the Ramsey home.

UKNOWN DNA

- A small amount of unknown male DNA was found on JonBenet's underwear.
- The amount is so small and degraded that even with current (2025) tech it cannot be used to build family trees in a genealogical database, only to exclude potential suspects.
- Has been used to "rule out" many people, although the value of this is uncertain - because there is such a little amount of DNA, some suspect that it is merely the DNA of a factory worker who handled the underwear.
- Boulder police claimed unknown DNA from six different people found on the nylon cord, unlike the underwear DNA this is rarely referenced in more recent case updates.

RANSOM NOTE

- Long and rambling, one of the longest, if not the longest ransom notes in history.
- The note was written on a pad of paper, using a sharpie, taken from and left within the Ramsey home.
- A "practice note" found written on the same pad.
- The note demanded a ransom of $118,000, the exact amount of a Christmas bonus John had received.
- Many individuals have been made to provide handwriting samples to compare to the note over the years..
- Many have noted very strong similarities between the content and language of the ransom note and certain movies. These include: Dirty Harry, Poltergeist, Ruthless People, Ricochet, Speed, Seven, Nick of Time and Ransom.
- The note was signed Victory! S.B.T.C the meaning of which has never been determined.

WHO WROTE THE RANSOM NOTE?

- Many criminal profilers, hand writing experts, psychologists, and lay people have attempted to determine the author of the note both through handwriting analysis and analysis of the language used in the note. Some examples:

FBI agent Clint van Zandt: The writer is a well educated female between the age of 29 and 40 who knew the family and the home well and knew that JonBenet was dead when the note was written.
FBI Profiler John Douglas: The writer is a white male in his 20s with a personal grudge against John Ramsey.
FBI Profiler Robert K. Ressler: "JonBenet's mom fits the profile of the person who wrote the phony ransom note found in the Ramsey home" (...) the style and language and information contained in the note point to an approximately 40-year-old white woman from the South as the author.
Donald Pugh (Patsy's father): The writer is a middle-aged female with a background in law enforcement.
Dr. Fausto Brugnatelli, handwriting expert: John Ramsey most likely wrote the ransom note.
Boulder PD: Made Gary Merriman, Access Graphics Director of Human Resources, give seven handwriting samples. Felt there were strong similarities between his writing and the ransom note.

>>41373836
Forensic document examiner Lloyd Cunningham: Cannot exclude suspect Chris Wolf as the author.
Forensic document examiner Chester A. Ubowski: Determined that there is evidence which indicates the ransom note may have been written by Patsy Ramsey but the evidence falls short of that necessary to support a definite conclusion.
Forensic document examiner Leonard Speckin: Differences between the writing of Mrs. Ramsey's handwriting and the author of the Ransom Note prevented him from identifying Mrs. Ramsey as the author of the Ransom Note, but he was unable to eliminate her.
Detective Steve Thomas: "Out of 73 people whose handwriting was examined in this case, there was only one whose handwriting showed evidence to suggest authorship, who was in the home that night, who couldn't be eliminated as the author, and that was Patsy Ramsey."
Linguist Donald Foster: "(the note) appears to have been written by a young adult with an adolescent imagination overheated by true crime literature and Hollywood thrillers."

SUGGESTED MEANINGS OF THE RANSOM NOTE SIGNATURE VICTORY! S.B.T.C

- Subic Bay Training Center. Suggested by Ramsey housekeeper. Subic Bay was the name of a military base John Ramsey was stationed at, and she claimed a photo in the home of the base was captioned "Subic Bay Training Center" - however, the picture was only captioned Subic Bay.
- Santa Bill & The Critic. Referring to Bill McReynolds, who played Santa, and his wife Janet who had been a movie critic.
- Small Business Technology Coalition. Founded to pull together small businesses in order to better compete with larger companies in the technology industry. Suggested that members were targeting John Ramsey due to his company Access Graphics.
- Shall Be The Conqueror. How John Mark Kerr signed his friends yearbooks.
- Victory SBT shotgun. See post about North Fox Island, with the C added as misdirection.
- Santa Barbara Tennis Club. Suspect Chris Wolf owned a sweatshirt with this written on it.
- Shambhala Buddhism Taoism Confucianism. New age movement active in Boulder area since the 70s.
- Saved by the Cross. Christian phrase.
- Signed by the Cross. AKA The Zodiac Killer's crosshair signature.
- Stand Before the Cross. Referring to a scene in the film Dirty Harry, which some allege the ransom note makes allusions to.
- Seduced by the Child. Pedophilic interpretation of his/their crimes.
- Square, Bible and The Compass. Three important Masonic symbols.
- Signed by the Captain. Common phrase used in sailboat racing.
- Sorry 'Bout That Chief. From the tv show Get Smart.
- Swallowed by the Competition. Phrase used by John Ramsey in his book on the case.
- Son of a Bitch Tom Carson. Suggested by Patsy's mother, referring to Access Graphics CFO Tom Carson.
- Single-Band Truncated-Crystal. From a research paper published by the university of Boulder in March 1996.
- Southern Bell Telephone Company. Phonebook found on Patsy's desk.

>>41373847
- So Be the Child.
- Scenario Based True Crime.
- Some Body That Cares.
- Stand By To Communicate.
- Strangle Bind Torture Children.
- Strangled By The Cellar.
- Strangled By The Cord.
- She's Behind The Cellar.

ENHANCED 911 CALL

- At the end of the 911 call Patsy placed to report her daughter missing, there is a heavily disputed moment where the phone was allegedly improperly hung up and voices can be heard faintly.
- The significance of this is that it is claimed that Burke's voice can be heard, which contradicts statements by the Ramsey's that he was still asleep at the time.
- At least 10 different audio companies and agencies have made attempts to enhance the voices on the end of the tape.
- At the time Boulder 911 reused 911 tapes, and some believe that the voices are remnants of an unrelated call on the tape.
- Some believe that the 3rd voice on the tape is not Burke, but an unknown third person.
- Among those who believe the enhanced audio to be genuine this is the most common transcript:

PATSY: "Help me, Jesus, help me, Jesus"
BURKE(?): "Please, what do I do?"
JOHN: (angrily) "We're not speaking to you"
PATSY: "Help me, Jesus, help me, Jesus"
BURKE(?): "Well what did you find?"

- In a now-deleted AMA on Reddit, former Boulder detective James Kolar supported this transcript of the enhanced recording.
- A recording of the enhanced tape which was made public is a third generation copy.

BURKE RAMSEY

- JonBenet's brother, 9 years old at the time of the murder.
- Had behavioural problems, although the extent and severity of them is not clear.
- Voice may be heard on the enhanced 911 tape, although this is disputed.
- Children much younger than Burke have murdered other children, but Burke's "keeping the secret" from trained psychologists and therapists would be nearly unprecedented.
- Widely speculated to be on the autism spectrum which would explain some of his "inappropriate" mannerisms in adult interviews.

MISC CASE ODDITIES

- If the ransom note was taken at face value, than a foreign faction had kidnapped a Lockheed Martin executive's daughter for ransom. The lack of action by the FBI and the lack of notification to Lockheed Martins security personnel before the body was found is extremely unusual. Some believe this indicates high level knowledge from the very beginning that this was not a legitimate kidnapping.
- Ransom note demanded exactly the amount of a Christmas bonus John had received.
- A dictionary removed from the Ramsey home had a corner of one page folded over creating an arrow pointing to the definition of incest.
- At one point, the police stopped sharing their most sensitive information with the DA's office, and shortly thereafter their computers were hacked into.

GRAND JURY IVESTIGATION

- Original judge presiding over the grand jury was Joe Bellipanni. Shortly after giving an interview where he stated he was looking forward to the case and getting to the bottom of the mystery, he abruptly resigned his position and moved to Egypt. He was replaced by Roxanne Bailin, who later co-authored a book with Patsy Ramsey's lawyer.
- The grand jury convened in 1999 and voted to indict the Ramsey parents as accessories to their daughter's murder.
- One of the counts was that the Ramseys "did ... permit a child to be unreasonably placed in a situation which posed a threat of injury to the child's life or health which resulted in the death of JonBenet Ramsey". Another one of the counts was that the Ramseys "did ... render assistance to a person, with intent to hinder, delay and prevent the discovery, detention, apprehension, prosecution, conviction and punishment of such person for the commission of a crime, knowing the person being assisted has committed and was suspected of the crime of murder in the first degree and child abuse resulting in death". The indictments accused the Ramseys of (either wittingly or unwittingly) allowing their daughter to be in contact with a person or group who abused her and, when that resulted in her death, attempting to cover up the crime as the work of an intruder.
- Then district attorney Alex Hunter chose not to prosecute the Ramsey's despite the grand jury's verdict.

FRIEND DYNAMICS

- The closets friends to the Ramseys before the murder are usually stated to be three married couples: Fleet and Priscilla White, John and Barbara Fernie, and Glen and Susan Stine.
- At the Ramsey's party, Fleet is the person who supposedly accidentally called 911. Susan Stein turned police away when they arrived.
- At Fleet White's party the night of the murder, Fleet left the party to join a group of carolers going door to door. This has been pointed out as unusual behaviour for an upper class party host. Some have speculated that something happened at the party that angered or upset him.
- The Stines were the last people to see the Ramsey's before JonBenet's murder.
- After JonBenet was found missing, the Whites and the Fernies were called to the Ramsey home. The Stines were not.
- The Fernies were the first to arrive at the home despite living much farther away than the Whites.
- The Whites relationship with the Ramseys deteriorated after the murder while their relationship with the Stines grew stronger.

FLEET WHITE

- Was with John when JonBenet's body was found.
- Claimed to have taken a brief glance into the windowless room where JBR's body was found earlier in the day but had not seen anything.
- Handled the duct tape found over JBRs mouth, contaminating evidence.
- His daughter, Daphne, had disappeared several months earlier in 1996 resulting in the police being called, she was later found in the home hiding - reports conflict as to whether she was in a cupboard, crawlspace, or under her bed.
- Had a falling out with John Ramsey in the weeks after the murders - according to multiple witnesses, he had berated John for not cooperating with the police investigation.
- Not long after the falling out, John and Patsy thew suspicion on Fleet and his wife, Priscilla, for being suspects in JBR's murder.
- Immediately and voluntarily gave hair, blood, and saliva samples to the police after the murder - this strongly points to him either being innocent or being confident that there were no forensics tying him to the crime.
- According to author Stephen Singular, Fleet pulled a handgun on John during one of their arguments.
- According to members of a JonBenet forum who pooled money to hire a private investigator to look into Fleet - the investigator refunded their money, and told them that he was not willing to look into Fleet as his named was "flagged" in certain databases.

STATEMENTS FROM PATSY'S FRIEND PAM GRIFFEN

"White was everywhere," she told me. "Ordering everyone around. Telling people what to do and not to do. Giving me the creeps. He didn't want me to be alone with Patsy. Didn't want me in the bedroom with her. Didn't want me talking to her as she was falling asleep. He didn't even want me to help her drink water to keep her from getting dehydrated. I was trying to assist my friend and couldn't understand why he was acting this way. Someone finally had to tell him to back off, so he took a hike and disappeared.”

BILL AND JANET MCREYNOLDS

- Ramsey family friends, it was Bill who played Santa at the Ramsey's Christmas party. JonBenet had told people that Santa had promised her a secret visit after Christmas.
- Janet had written a play decades earlier where a girl is tortured in a basement. The play was based on a real life crime.
- Newspaper article front the 70s about Janet's play quotes her as "being fascinated by stories of children who are tortured and seek their own path to death."
- Also decades earlier the McReynolds daughter and her friend had been kidnapped and sexually assaulted by a man who was never identified. Both girls were released alive.
- McReynolds had a strong bond with JonBenet that some find creepy. She had gifted him a vial of glitter, which he took with him while undergoing heart surgery. He also requested that the glitter be mixed with his ashes when he died.
- Main argument against McReynolds being responsible for the murder is that he was in his 70s and in poor heath at the time.
- No forensic evidence found connecting the couple to the crime, their DNA is also not a match for the unknown DNA.

JOHN ANDREW RAMSEY / JAR LOOKALIKE AND BOATMAN

- John Andrew Ramsey is John's adult son from a previous marriage (JonBenet and Burke's half brother).
- A police report that was not made public until years later was from a neighbour who witnessed John Andrew - or someone who resembled him - outside of the Ramsey home on the afternoon of the murder.
- This could not have actually been John Andrew as he was verified to be hundreds of miles away at the time.
- "Boatman" refers to an unidentified person who came to Boulder police with a bizarre story about John Andrew trying to hire him to kill JonBenet in a fake boating accident.
- According to Boatman, the proposed plan would have had John Andrew taking JonBenet out in a small boat, and then Boatman would crash into them with a larger boat, with John Andrew jumping off at the last second before impact.

"NINJA" ATTACKER

- Unknown assailant who entered a home in Boulder and sexually assaulted a 14 year old girl just 9 months after JonBenet's murder.
- Victim had attended the same dance studio as JonBenet.
- Other parallels included the attacker sexually assaulting the victim at home at night with her parents asleep in the house.
- It is believed that the attacker entered the home while the family was out and hid inside for 4 to 6 hours before committing the assault.
- When the victims mother woke up due to hearing a noise and entered her daughters room, the attacker jumped out of a second story window to escape.
- Large age discrepancy between JBR and other victim - statistically a pedophile interested in six year olds would not be particularly interested in a 14 year old (and vice versa), although this is far from universal - for example, Jimmy Saville's victims ranged in age from 8 to 70.

RANDY SIMONS

- Photographer who had taken many photos of JonBenet and other girls.
- Had approached at least one mother about taking nude photos of her daughter.
- Behaved strangely following the murder. Was found naked walking down a road and when approached by police immediately said that he didn't kill JonBenet.
- Left Colorado and told acquaintances that he was being pursued by "paramilitary types" who were after photographic negatives he possessed.
- Was arrested in 2019 for distributing large amounts of CP over a public wi-fi network, was released early due to the covid-19 pandemic.

LINDA HOFFMAN-PUGH

- Was the Ramsey's former housekeeper. Had keys to the home.
- Was at the top of the Ramsey's own suspect list.
- Gave handwriting samples and DNA to police.
- In a later interview stated that the crime must have been done by someone with knowledge of the home as the wine cellar room was hard to find.

MICHAEL HELGOTH & JOHN STEVEN GIGAX & JOHN KENADY

- Michael Helgoth was the owner of a junkyard in Boulder. He had been involved in a minor property dispute with John Ramsey. His junkyard was in the process of being condemned for pollution.
- Helgoth owned a stun gun and a pair of booths consistent with an unidentified boot print found at the scene of JBR's murder.
- Helgoth committed suicide one day after DA Alex Hunter publicly announced they were narrowing in on a suspect.
- There is suspicion that Helgoth's death was a murder staged as a suicide. He was shot in the head through a pillow (can be done to reduce to noise of a gunshot, extremely unusual in a suicide). As well his stun gun, which he normally kept in a locked cabinet, was found beside him.
- A documentary insinuates that Helgoth committed the murder with an accomplice, John Steven Gigax, who then killed Helgoth.
- Gigax has a conviction for child sex crimes and other violent offences, however, he was later proven to be in Indiana on the night of JonBenet's murder.
- John Kenady, another man with a conviction for child sex crimes, is the person who went to the documentary makers accusing Gigax of killing both JonBenet and Helgoth.
- Kenady was convicted of trespassing in Helgoth's home, which he says was to preserve evidence.

GARY OLIVIA

- Man with a record of child molestation in Oregon. Had once strangled his mother with a telephone cord.
- Attended anniversary vigils for JonBenet.
- Called a friend a few days after the murder and told him "I hurt a little girl"
- Was once arrested while carrying a backpack containing a poem he'd written about JBR and Susannah Chase (another girl murdered in Boulder by a baseball bat roughly 1 year after JBR) and a stun gun.
- Had built a shrine to JonBenet.
- DNA not a match for unknown DNA at the scene.
- Has later claimed to have been a part of a group of people who killed JonBenet.

MICHAEL MCELROY AKA ANDY SAVAGE AKA THE PROPHET

- Boulder based artist who came to police attention due to his website which featured many references to Barbie including an essay titled "Barbie Doll, The Ultimate Fuck" and pictures of hearts.
- Owned a stun gun.
- Naked Barbie dolls were left on the Ramsey lawn multiple times in 1997. JonBenet died with a red heart drawn on her hand.
- Verified to be in Denver the night of the murder. Provided handwriting and DNA samples to police.

JOHN MARK KARR

- Former teacher who made international headlines after Thai authorities arrested him for confessing to the murder of JonBenet.
- Initial reports - including one by the Associated Press - stated that Karr had knowledge of the crime scene which was not publicly available. This was quicky retracted and all traces of these reports have been scrubbed from the internet.
- Knew Patsy's mother's nickname.
- Drew a map of the basement of the Ramsey home from memory, was said to be a perfect match except "flipped" - i.e. rooms on the opposite sides of where they were.
- Initially claimed to have intended to kidnap JonBenet for ransom and then accidentally killed her during a sexual assault.
- Quickly withdrew the confession and instead claims to have been with her when she died, but was not the person who killed her. Has continued to stick to this second story long after being dismissed as a false confessor.
- Noted to live an extravagant lifestyle for a teacher, travelling and working in dozens of countries and driving expensive cars.
- Similarities between the ransom note and Karr's writing.
- Is now living as a transgender woman under the name Alexis Reich.

JAMES PARTIN

- Ohio man arrested in 1998 for distributing CP over the internet.
- Son of a high ranking military general.
- Considered a suspect in the 1983 disappearance of Beth Miller from Idaho Springs, where he lived at the time.
- Had multiple photos of JonBenet in his possession when arrested.

MISCELLANEOUS SUSPECTS

- Chris Wolf. Turned in by his girlfriend. She claimed that on the night of the murder he was out all night, came home with mud on his clothes, and acted strangely. Had a sweatshirt with S.B.T.C. on it. Cooperated with investigation and gave DNA sample.
- Cowboy Boots Intruder. Unknown person who broke into the Ramsey vacation home in Michigan. Left behind a suitcase and pair of cowboy boots. Slept in JonBenet's bed.
- The Warrior. Violent Native American who decorated his apartment with hundreds of newspaper clippings regarding JonBenet, insinuated to a friend that he'd killed both JBR and Susannah Chase. DNA not a match for JBR, had strong alibi for Chase murder.
- Gary Merriman. Access Graphics Director of Human Resources. Police said they didn't think he'd killed JonBenet but that he might have written the note.
- Party People. Large, wild, drug-fueled party held about a block from the Ramsey home on the night of the murder. Supposedly police never checked this out.

POSSIBLE CONNECTIONS TO NORTH FOX ISLAND AND OAKLAND COUNTY CHILD KILLINGS

- In July 1976 a child pornography ring was discovered to be operating out of North Fox Island in Lake Michigan, under a front organization named "Brother Paul's Children's Mission."
- At the time the head of the Michigan Aeronautics Commission was James Dudley Ramsey, John Ramsey's father.
- North Fox Island contained an airstrip, and as such was required by law to receive surprise visits from the Aeronautics Commission, which it never did.
- The Ramsey family owned a home in Charlevoix, Michigan, directly across the water from North Fox Island.
- Adam Starchild was a child pornographer and financial criminal who was one of the people arrested in connection with the North Fox Island ring. He was confirmed to be in the Boulder area in December 1996.
- The Oakland County Child Killings are four unsolved murders of children from Oakland County Michigan. A suspect in that case, Chris Busch, allegedly committed suicide in the 1970s.
- Chris Busch was the wealthy son of a General Motors executive. Upon his death a bag of materials connecting him to the North Fox Island ring was found in his possession.
- Also in his possession was a drawing of a screaming boy strongly resembling OCCK victim Mark Stebbins.
- Despite being ruled a suicide by gunshot, there was evidence of staging. The discovering officer was also later convicted of child molestation.
- Jill Robinson, the only OCCK victim who was shot, is believed to have been killed by a Victory SBT shotgun. Note the ransom note was signed Victory! S.B.T.C. Jill Robison and JonBenet were murdered exactly 20 years apart to the day.
- Years later Charles Busch, the brother of Chris Busch, was subjected to attempted questioning by authorities in New York. He refused to speak unless himself and his entire extended family were entered into witness protection, strongly indicating that he feared for his life from powerful people.

POSSIBLE CP AND/OR SNUFF FILM OF JONBENET

- Pointed questioning of Patsy during police interview:

DETECTIVE: Is there any reason why there would be photographs of JonBenet located in the laundry room?
PATSY: No. Were there -- I mean, did somebody find them there?
DETECTIVE: If there were, would that be out of place for you?
(...)
DETECTIVE: So you don't recall taking a photo of her down there?
PATSY: (shakes head no)
DETECTIVE: If she was doing something really cutesy or something, would you maybe run and get the camera, take one of her?
PATSY: Of her in the laundry room?
DETECTIVE: Uh-hum.
PATSY: No.

- Quote from internet poster TheraKoon who has done a lot of deep research on the Ramsey case:

"Stephen Singular found an entire dark web collective attempting and asking for access to JonBenet Ramsey pedophile materials, including a video of which she was murdered. These materials are illegal to own so I have never personally sought after them, but I was fortunate enough to witness a few videos crafted based on cut up portions of what occurred the night JonBenet was murdered so as to not show any illegal activities but give a general gist of the idea. Of course, I cannot verify this as it was shown to me and not sent to me. That being said, it's real for me at least."

WONDERLAND CLUB RAIDS

- The Wonderland Club was an early internet forum for CP. It was heavily encrypted, using software used by the KGB, and members were required to provide unique content in order to gain access.
- Wonderland was eventually infiltrated by the FBI. Raids of members began on September 1 1999, the Ramsey grand jury investigation concluded on September 15 1999. The timing of this had led to speculation that FBI influence may have drawn out and/or suppressed the grand jury - which risked public revelation of a sex ring - in order to protect their sting operation.
- Stephen Singular quote:

In late January 2000, five months after the Wonderland bust, I appeared on a live radio/Internet show devoted to the Ramsey case. [...]
[...]
Two weeks after I was on the air, an individual who'd heard the program called me at home.
“A contact person in the Ramsey case,” he said, “has been arrested.”
I asked what that meant.
“A person who was in contact with those who were in contact with the dead child has been arrested.”
“Where?”
He refused to answer, but I pressed him and he named a town in Southern California.
“The man who got busted,” he said, “is very upset about the little girl's death. He doesn't want to see any other children harmed or murdered by these kinds of activities.”
Half an hour later, Joyce found an online story about a recent arrest in the area the informant had mentioned. The accused man was middle-aged, middle-class, sophisticated with computers, and had been taken into custody for numerous sexual crimes against children. He was incarcerated south of Los Angeles.

NANCY KREBS ALLEGATIONS

- Nancy Krebs is a woman from California who claimed to have been sexually abused as a child and into adulthood by a sex ring that included both John Ramsey and Fleet White.
- Fleet White has acknowledged that he knew her "way back when".
- An uncle of Krebs, Macky E. Boykin, was tried and convicted to sexually abusing her as a child. Krebs claimed that Boykin's abuse of her included "controlled ligature strangulation", mirroring how JonBenet died.
- Some of Krebs' claims have been proven to be false.
- Krebs may have - likely unknowingly - served as a "well poisoner". For a period of time after her story first became public, a popular JonBenet discussion forum began banning members who questioned any part of her story.

JOHN RAMSEY FAMILY GENEALOGY

- Mothers side: Descendant of Basil I and thus the Macedonian dynasty of the Byzantine Empire, many descendants of which in later centuries were nobles in Bavaria, Thuringia, and the Kingdom of the Franks.
- Also mothers side: Descendant of Saint Amalberga of Maubeuge, the patron saint of arm pain, bruises, and fever.
- Father's side: Related to Bruce Nickell. Murdered by his wife Stella Nickell who laced his Excedrin capsules with cyanide.

JOHN MARK KARR GENEALOGY

- Fathers side: Descendant of The House of Bellême and later landowner after the Norman conquest of England Hamon de Massey.

This is a wild thread.

From last thread

Generational cult family. Look up her grandfather's Masonic tombstone. Grandfather James Dudley Ramsey, Director of the Michigan Aeronautics Commission approved the airstrip on North Fox Island (pedo ring connection). Mormon connection as well. Also there are tons of programmed satanists at Lockheed Martin.

She was accidentally? killed during a ritual/mind control programming (MKULTRA/MONARCH torture) session with a stun gun. Electroshock is how mind control slaves are programmed.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1997-dec-20-mn-1148-story.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1997/12/21/stun-gun-used-in-ramsey-killing-lawyer-says/3e6cda1f-0f56-4344-97f1-0560846c25b0/

Also interesting, possibly photographed with Maxwell, another generational satanist.

>>41373814 (OP)
Good collection of info for anyone interested, worth a bump

>>41374339
Interesting info. North fox Island connection is discussed in some detail here >>41373937

>>41374344
Interesting. I wonder if any professional face analysis has been done on this.

>>41374348
Thanks

Best thread in a long while

forgot to include this pic - strange shrine to JonBenet found by a housecleaner at the home of a client.

bump

>>41373814 (OP)
how is this /x/? go to plebbit.

Her brother killed her by mistake and the family covered it up.

>>41375219
It's actually an interesting but I agree it's not paranormal.

Also agree with the brother. I think something happened and the tried to cover it up.

>>41373814 (OP)
Fascinating, repulsive stuff. Something about extreme wealth makes for horrifically malformed personalities.

>>41375219
>Her brother killed her by mistake and the family covered it up.

The collection of creeps within and surrounding this family is extraordinary though. Don't you agree.

>>41373836
I can see that this document was written by a right-handed person who practiced writing with their left hand to conceal their true handwriting.

I heard the whole thing was an effed up hoax/LARP. They were testing out early AI generation tech or trying to harvest loosh.

>>41375570
I heard this too.

But if it was real, it doesn't just feel like another "elites abusing children for power" story. That's definitely what it was, but it seems like JB had a bigger purpose for being sacrificed to the elites who did so. If it even is real.

>>41375492
yeah that's a common theory

>>41375219
>nooo we need more coomer threads and gangstalking threads

then posts the most brainlet Reddit take on the case

>>41373814 (OP)
Pretty sure it was Burke all along. Makes sense. Most people who heard of this case had no idea how fucked up he was and how the family covered for him. He would smear his feces on Jon Benet's bed and bedroom walls and was hyper jealous of her with documented incidents of trying to harm her. He was a literal kid psycho with serious known issues. There's a treasure trove of info on his issues from that timeframe they tried to cover. He even looks like Kevin from Sin City.

She was part of an intergenerational cult family. "The Illuminati" for NPCs here.
I could tell you all about it from first hand experience. Seeing is believing.
The stun gun. She was an MPD slave. "They" have been doing this to their children for thousands of years, but their methods are sophisticated now. Sometimes, a child dies during programming. This causes a shit storm of media attention because these people are VERY wealthy and powerful as a rule. Their connections run deep into the government, and all sorts of other places.
You can call me a schizo. I don't care. If you know, JonBenet is just another case of something happening in secret, and is intimately linked to how power stays in control. This is intergenerational and wider spread than you realize. "Satanic" "ritual" "Abuse." It's not bullshit. It's not just here. It's been here, dude. These people don't get caught because essentially, they're probably the descendants of "the nephilim." They see themselves as gods, and that's how they stay very powerful. Their methods of control are definitely as brutal as those of real gods. Most of us meet it as "the system." They run it. No matter where you live. If you have internet and running water, they own you. You just don't realize it. And because you don't realize it, you won't actually deny them consent when they come to liquidate you. Life is a giant iTunes ELA. You probably didn't read a word of it before you said "agree" and submitted your name.

>>41373814 (OP)
Patsy wrote the ransom note, compare the writing:

https://imgur.com/a/jpFijzI

>>41379115

Elijah Woods vibe.

Why is everyone forced to care about this shit every 3-5 years?
I have been hearing about this girl since I was like 7 or 8. It has been like 30 years.
Why won’t you faggots ever shut the fuck up about it? Holy shit I don’t think there is anything like this for a single literally who at the time child ever in my country who has received this much non-stop coverage across media.

>>41379417
What do these people believe in? Satan? Do they think they're doing God's work? Something else?

>>41375219
Retard. Why would they cover up an accident committed by a minor?

>>41379919
Obviously because they don’t want it to ruin his life? lol

>>41379773
I can't speak directly to what they believe in from personal experience, but they hide behind all organized religions and I can confirm that. If you encounter people raised by them that have broken away and tried to escape (there is no escape. These people suicide or "suicide") you'll hear a lot of things that feel satanic, but the belief structure is very masonic/mystery babylon-y. A lot of them work for intelligence operations in some form or another. They definitely believe in demons and child sacrifice and all that stereotypical sounding such. They think the god of this world is "satan" (and they're probably right). They understand "god" and that is why they are "allowed" to do what they do. It's very masonic. Ritual abuse involves a lot of religious programming. Catholics are involved.

>>41379773
Also just check my digits if you doubt me. On both posts.

>>41380138
Do you have any articles to delve into? I watched a video by Professor Jiang about how secret societies work and that's close to how you put it. Child sacrifices are a core part of their beliefs and it goes all the way back to a secret order from the roman times if not further.

Great writeup, OP.
I'm gonna leave something here I maybe shouldn't, but I want you guys to know about it so you can protect your own kids and your children's friends, but there is a thing that some rich people do where the father allows a sperm donor so her daughter isn't genetically his and is "OK to abuse". I say this with 100% certainty and with the certainty certain wealthy men were ABSOLUTELY doing this in Colorado at this time. Incest in the Ramsey household would NOT have been unprecedented, nor would "trading children."
>Always know where your children are
>Know your children's friends' parents
>Never blindly assume someone shares your same morals based on income, even if they have more than you
t. Coloradan

There’s something very Lynchian about this case, Twin Peaksian. There is clearly a rot underneath the veneer, and it has the hallmarks of the occult running through it. The sensitive and sick people tap into it is a telltale sign. I don’t think we’ll ever know what really happened because it was likely something sinister.

>>41380010
How would it ruin his life. He's a kid and accidents happen. He would still have to live with it and he already is living it with idiots online accusing him of murder with zero evidence.

>>41380138
There's actually a theory in the JBR case that Fleet White was a breakaway from a cult in California, and his extreme anger at John Ramsey was because he was realizing that John was one of them.

>>41380138
It would make sense that the "adversary" would be the god of any dualistic world like this one, with nothing but constant adversity.

>>41380500
His family is wealthy, and they wanted to maintain the image of being the perfect family. That’s an undeniable impression of them based on statements about them. If it were an accident, he would’ve been charged with manslaughter.
>>41379115
This person has evidence on him that suggests he was a disturbed child. And the knot that JonBenet was in is a Boy Scout knot. Which Burke was evidently was in.

>>41380500
People of prestige cover up tragic accidents that make them look bad. Tale as old as time. He had prior history of aggressive behavior and attacks against his sister including messed up shit like smearing his shit regularly on her bed and walls. They tried to downplay how bad off he was and of course guilt and embarrassment factored in plus rash decisions. The autopsy on job benrt found undigested sorbet of a kind her brother was treated with in the evening.

>>41379773
Knights Templar. Read this.

>>41373814 (OP)
It was obviously an inside job you fucking retards your IQ's are double digits.
The father is more than likely a freemason, the daughter is a cute blonde, put two and two together. Look how many photos he took of her, clear obession with her looks.
Raped/killed her and had his freemason buddies in the police force cover it up by intentional gross incompetence.
Or had some of his freemason butt buddies rape her together, then covered up by masons in the police this is how these people operate.

>>41380787
I don’t know who they are, sorry I’m not a boomer

How stupid do you have to be to think some criminal organization entered the house and held her for ransom, but ended up raping and killing her for no reason.
Or the 11 years old son was smart enough to write a fake ransom letter.
Or some random child molester from the neighborhood who got caught multiple times was able to do it with so little evidence.
It was obviously the father who had access to her all the time + police cover up (mason butt buddies help each other all the time, half of the US police force are freemasons)

>>41380818
>>41380792
You posted twice !

>>41380802
You're the biggest boomer faggot in 4chan history.

>>41380768
RIP Tracy, great book

>>41380838
Ok here’s your >(You)

>>41380835
I adressed some of the completely stupid leads in the second post.

>>41380818
>>41380792
Honestly the whole family is weird. You know that Jonbenet isn’t a natural blonde more like a brunette. Patsy dyed it for beauty pageants. Also she obviously wrote the ransom note.

>>41379417
>These people don't get caught because essentially, they're probably the descendants of "the nephilim."
They don't get caught because every important police figurehead in every state is part of their gay brotherhood organization they won't allow you to rise enough in rank if you aren't part of their group. My god you people are stupid as fuck.
>muh nephilim
He was literally a freemason, that's all. They are mostly pedos it's known fact, he fucked his daughter and killed her to cover it up, police butt buddies in their secret organization covered it up cause they're also pedos and he's done them plenty of favors too.
They scratch each others backs.

>>41380860
>Honestly the whole family is weird
In the Zimmerman case, the family of the victim were both Freemasons. They had their own son killed to spark some racial tension in the US.
On their son's grave they wrote "Good job", literally sacrificed their own child for some agenda.

>>41375219
>illuminati government satanic ritual child sacrifices aren't paranormal goy!!

If I turn off the lights I bet you glow

>>41380907
More like pedophile from the local Freemason lodge rapes daughter, kills her to get rid of witness. Police chief from same local Freemason lodge helps him cover it up.
Why do you retards complicate things and sound like schizos?

>>41380916
Why do idiots oversimplify?

>>41380960
Because this story is simple to figure out and you're a schizophrenic retard? It wasn't some government plot they wouldn't leave any evidence you shit for brains retard nigger.
It was obviously a bunch of freemasons working together to cover up what one of their pedophile brothers did. They do this all the time, go be retarded somewhere else.

>>41380243
A deep dive is writings and interviews with Svali (Svali Says) and Fritz Springmeier.

>>41380869
I didn't say "Muh."
These are their beliefs, and they're ubiquitous.

>>41380916
Conspiracies are paranormal

>>41373836
I love this because of how retarded it is. But it also reveals that this was most likely done after the fact, meaning the family never even intended to kill Jon Benet. I assume they were pimping her out at the worst but at best it was probably their dumbass son.

>>41381051
The PDF for Fritz's book "Bloodlines of The Illuminati" is hosted on the CIA's website. Strange.

>>41380792
>>41380818
Most cops are alcoholic highschool dropouts. You're telling me half the cops in the country are keeping this secret society under wraps without any slip-ups ever? How fucking dumb are you?

>>41380792
>It was obviously an inside job you fucking retards your IQ's are double digits.


That's what many of the posters and half of OP's info dump are already implying before you posted, don't act like you're coming in here like some sage of knowledge, fucknut.

good thread

>>41375219
You should actually read the rules for this board, instead of just pretending you have.

>>41381394
>That's what many of the posters and half of OP's info dump are already implying before you posted, don't act like you're coming in here like some sage of knowledge, fucknut.
lol Indisputable losers larping as misunderstood genius, warrior kings is 98% of 4trans, fella. Know the room.

>>41375738
It was a ritual yes.

Check the dates she was killed / found that's the only hint you need.

>>41374344
Jesus fucken christ. I never got into this case, but after only reading a few small bits of info it was immediately obvious that this was a child sex ring situation at an extremely high level and then this Pic. Just amazing. Shit is so fucked.

>>41380243
No documentaries exist in standard avenues. This stuff is hidden well. Though a lot of things mentioned here will put your nose on the trail: things like Sprigmeier. People have accurately written about how this all works in short glimpses. Read that stuff and consider how massive the scale of this is. It's at least 50x more prevalent than normies realize. Above a certain power level, observe how "pedos" are protected. Really. It isn't about degeneracy at all. It's about control, power, and education. They brain break their children through violent ritualized abuse that leaves them diagnosable nut cases--which gives them plausible deniability. I want you to look at the richest, most powerful people you know in real life and start counting how many of them have a high profile nutcase daughter or son. These nutcases are always extremely high IQ and more capable than their illness seems. When the children don't make good slaves, they get sacrificed to "moloch" at the psychiatrist.

>>41382902
And yes. Jonbenet was a fucktoy. They made her eat shit; they fucked every fuckable hole and surface. They tied her up and tortured her with repeat orgasms. They programmed entire personalities into her around this abuse. They summoned demons and tangled those up in the trauma. They encoded multiple personality states. They used military grade flash lights in one eye strobing light while they shocked her with a stun gun and used all kinds of fun toys to make her submit. They got her drunk, high, medicated her I'm sure. It's VERY "satanic" what they do. If she didn't die through some mercy of God, she would have grown up to be a senator or much worse.
You can see it when you look at her face: she wears it, like most of these poor children do, in her left eye.

>>41382939
They probably wore bull masks and feather boas and shit. These people are literally absurd.

>>41375219
>Her brother killed her by mistake and the family covered it up.
retard alert

>>41380723
He wouldn't have been charged with manslaughter, he was a literal child.
>>41380758
This is not evidence. There is no evidence he did anything.

>>41381268
Look into The Finders cult and the cult that Son of Sam Berkowitz was in. Things get pushed along to a higher level and then (allegedly) covered up at some point. Also see book Programmed to Kill by Dave McGowan.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/FTAFLh1lPSPz

>>41383004
This. At the time in Colorado he was too young to be charged with any crime.

bump

Clues in the name niggas. Look at Patsy more

>>41391330
you saying shes literally a patsy?

>>41373925
Psychic used by the Ramsey family drew a sketch strongly resembling Karr in 1998. Coincidence, genuine psychic feat, or knowledge by the Ramsey's that Karr was involved?

>>41381268
>Domestic Iran-Contra operation
https://rentry.co/xbcr3p5n
>Three tiers of capture
https://rentry.co/y32apmqk
>Lansky-Epstein Network
https://files.catbox.moe/q3dfto.md
or
https://files.catbox.moe/4f1e6z.pdf
or
https://pastebin.com/DJYM7QQJ
(This one is repeatedly deleted by Rentry)
>Financial
https://rentry.co/6byd4weg
>Narrative control
https://rentry.co/3gqzi8eh
>Bentham/Panopticon/Frequency weaponry
https://rentry.co/8vab5txc
>Habsburg Network
https://rentry.co/t8276rh7
>Unit 8200
https://rentry.co/dksv2tp8
>Intentional botting
https://rentry.co/6gzquht5
>Complete wealth extraction
https://rentry.co/zpyn3ho8
>Gaming scams feed network
https://rentry.co/dmtiyesu
>Unit 8200 and the banking sector
https://rentry.co/absueiu6
>Complete consolidation
https://rentry.co/eb3ariz7
>Waze case study
https://rentry.co/ueqzsph6
>The coalition
https://rentry.co/6xaaaixo

>3 cases of network nodes laid out in the same pattern with 100 miles between each node, showing operational infrastructure and territory distribution.
>NYC
https://rentry.co/6fyxm8ft
>California
https://rentry.co/qqvcqbsk
>Chicago
https://rentry.co/gse6m37f

>>41373925
>>41392699
Man this guy's rabbit hole is pretty interesting. he even still has his own website up, last updated 2024:

https://johnmarkkarr.com/statements

I'd take topics like these over bullshit succubus/nobody slide threads any day of the week, though desu I think there probably was some cult/conspiracy stuff involved anyway.

>>41392699
He's a woman. Look at the tapered head and 2 angled jawline. Literally they're all inversions. Ask yourself, why is this dude so rich? I'm a teacher with 2 kids like he is. Trust me, we're fucking broke. This thing is placed and financially supported.

>>41395200
Writes like a middle aged woman because biologically she is. She isn't Trans now; she's lived her life inverted like Elliot page.

>>41395200
Thanks for linking his website, had no idea he had one. Interesting that as of 2023 he's still claiming he was with her when she died.

>>41396849
He did write "Though, deep in the future, maybe I shall be the conqueror and live in multiple peace". in his yearbook, with people arguing that "shall be the conqueror" is SBTC. If that's true, then I feel like he'd probably have to be involved with some sort of pedo ring that killed her. Might even be glowie/Mossad-funded. I mean they say "inheritance" (how convenient) is why he's so fucking loaded, but how has this dude not been in jail yet, or at least some sort of house arrest?

Oh and BTW someone supposedly had an interview with him recently
Part 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-2lVXK-Oro
Part 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2WMEPeSKTI

The podcast hosts are whatever are fucking dogshit buttcancer terribad, but the stuff Karr says is...interesting. I might be leaning towards glowie.

This is a very well compiled thread. Amazing work OP. It’s worthwhile I think to link this here in case you haven’t seen it:
https://www.programmedtokill.net/jonbenet-ramsey

Check it out and lemme know what you think. This is the CP/snuff angle

I think about her every couple of years, there was some esoteric satanic angle here for sure

>elites
>wealthy

The media were obsessed with this case, but I only ever got the impression they were a well off top 25% income family. Reality though looks like a top 5 to 1% with the father having sold a company with over 500 employees to Lockheed Martin and being a top exec after. And then all their wealthy connections and friends. Mix in high ranking military or defense industry people and they weren't exactly living the typical life of an American family.

>>41382939
>like most of these poor children do, in her left eye
Wait, what? Hold on. Explain this.

>>41373918
How the fuck is this guy not the main suspect?

>>41398714
Thanks for the links. As far as Karr being a glowie, note that his possession of CP charges were dropped back in 2001 because his computer mysteriously went missing from police custody. Very suspicious.

>>41398895
I think I've seen this page years ago, but I'll take a look. Thanks

JonBenet? What king of goofy name is that?

>>41399732
You see it in almost all of these people one eye is totally a different person basically. It's the dissociated personality States, the broken psyche showing. It's usually the left eye that shoes the most trauma. Look at John d rockerfeller or Jeff bozos for good obvious examples. But almost all of them will at least have a left sampaku gaze. Once you see it, you notice it.

>>41400622
Holy fat thumbs. It's bed time for me.

Here is what what you are looking for, no matter what I post, it will not be exact but maybe close to what is happening.

When you inflict that sort of pain on an innocent systematically, ritualistically and very methodically especially to untainted and pure soul there is a very fragile vibration that might or might not take hold, consider it magick, and if done right then the crossroads open and you can "offer" the essence of the offered person to a world that is very predatory to ours. You see, what they don't tell you in your schools and public education is that there is an entire jungle out there waiting to feast on human souls. These are not even "beings" in the traditional sense but just know that something out there "eats" whatever you offer.

A lot of the killings are praised and made public, the more shilled a killing is the bigger the sacrifice. Think Princess Diana... etc

The way to offer, is to take the pure, and scramble their brain frequencies with such abominable pain and sexual violence that they become kind of beacons. Consider them a radio, and you turn it "on". Every once and a while, an offering is made to the other side, and it is a tale as old as time. Whoever gave away this girl to be eaten got back a lot of material gain, the "other" side can make things happen for you. They have dominion over this reality and are quite literally the shapers of it.
There are inter-governmental level agreements to give away hundreds of thousands of people to the other side each year. This poor girl is nothing but an amateur number. If you are here for snuffporn know that she was raped repeatedly before murder and very likely made to experience as much as pain and fear as possible before being killed off to whatever being was waiting for her on the other side where her essence will be gnawed and eaten by the soul eaters. The more spastic the subject before being popped off the better.

You genuinely have no idea how bad things are.

>>41373814 (OP)
It was the butler, with the candlestick, in the study..

>>41373814 (OP)
>I'm going to Hell ;)

>>41400768
Yep!!!! Fuck it!!!

>>41400774
What out, Satan, I don't share ruling..

>>41400791
Yep

>>41395200
goddamn karr is a pedo. hes very obviously obsessed with children

>>41400760
well put, i can never summarize it in my mind. Saved

>>41400807
>God damn it
I just can't help myself...I must be smartass....

>>41400760
This made me feel uneasy, you make me feel uneasy

>>41400844
>see

>>41400844
>because that's what hero's do...

>>41400864
>bring, it!!!!

>>41400877
>77 Angles of darkness bless me

Thread being slid hard after this post
>>41400760
Take notice everyone

>thread goes on an in-depth analysis of a conspiracy with some potential occult shit behind it
>gets derailed and spammed by retards and shills
and you wonder why this board's dead.

>>41400760
Someone should make a new thread with just this and her picture, see how fast they derail it

Why the FUCK was there beaver hair on the duct tape. A beaver?! Who the fuck ever gets in contact with a BEAVER

>>41400967
known aphrodisiac

>>41400760
you are one nasty mother fucker

>>41400877
>what i see i make my own, cause I'm...

>>41401102
That includes ALL you whores and sluts...ALL, mine...really....

>>41373814 (OP)
>would

>>41401113
I do , as I please...

>>41400760
Watch how they derail the thread because of this guy

>>41401122
I've screenshot it. What a sad existence to be a shill of the truth.

they fucked the life out of her probably

>>41401113
Don't get me started..I can go off for days...

>>41401113
>little hands and big cock
Just sayin....

>>41401169
>Burn in Hell!!!
You're next, bitch!....

>>41401169
>>41401173
>Shady fucker...

Muh low intelligence isn't an excuse.

(i.e. you don't deserve time to work shit out).

You'll bleed anyway.

I'll make 90,000 trillion for my new universe and then we'll talk about sharing intelligence.

This is your only warning.

>>41400760
make a new thread and post it, please. I can't from my ip range for some reason

>That half-assed sliding

Hi Karr! I know you're reading the JBR Plebbit board, so I guess it makes sense you'd be on /x/

>>41401122
Not all shills are feds, these are too obvious. Several groups watch /x/ for exact threads like this, there's a 90% chance OP was started by them to data-mine what anons knew. Soon as one bit the bait they're posting nonstop images so the thread hits bump/image limit and dies.

>>41380890
Prince Hall masons? Hmm... maybe he is not dead then.

>>41381268
masons swear an oath to help their fellow mason brother no matter the crime.

>>41395200
what's really creepy is the archived version of his site uses a picture of Madeleine McCann
https://archive.is/ivYw3

>>41401181
If they just would accept, 4chan, is, fuckin mine.

Yous motha fuckas, just dont get it!!

I'm taking all the women and Trans, the liberal babies that yearn for freedom, I'll be fuckin, their!!

Villages=burnt..

>>41401633
>Holy kek!!!
Now, now, do yous doubt my power???

>>41401638
>praise fuckin kek
I have arrived....

>>41401652
>go ahead....fuckin ban me.......

>>41401314
what kinds of groups and why?

>>41401657
>/b/ rings the war bells
Oh, no....

>>41401706
>God, damn, /b/

>>41373957
What's up with weird post? Not only can't I find any proof of this (everything before this is 100% true as far as I know). But it's also just silly, going back to the year 800, every single european is related. Most likely a big chunk of the American population is related to Basil I. This is also not related to the investigation at all. I'm not trying to discredit any theory, I just don't see the relevance, so if I'm missing something please enlighten me

>>41401714
>yes, yes.../b/
We, shall destroy them with haste....

>>41401728
>I with him...
Fuckin /b/ shall pay with blood of the virgins!!!(themselves ;)

Get it? Virgins? Sacrifice...good shit

>>41401735
>/b/ and virgins
The guys are and the bitches....are sluts...

>says /X/..

>>41401718
The connection that post is distracting from is John Bennett Ramsey. Miles Mathis has a lot on the Bennetts.

>>41401741
If I make 8,000 trilli today I'll have 800 trilli to repair damage I did to major phone companies and for giveaways and such.

>>41401744
Shut the fuck up. Murder, fuck, murder. YOU KNOW THE ORDER!!!!

>>41401744
>You took my 4's!!!
Oh, man, it's on!!!!!!!!!!

>>41401750
>I like this guy...

>>41401764
>love you....

I'm a very generous man(10%). I will make a game on the staitch with a 1 trilli 1st place prize and 1000 billi runner up prizes.

>>41401784
When you're projected over 100K trilli you do give away 10K trilli at these amounts? I get to be that guy...

It has been 50 years training though. It's not like I didn't make the sacrifice.

I went the long lonely route to intelligence.

>>41401750
Look, let me break down for the tards...

I am, God/King
There is no discussion

Tell whatever rice eater that thinks he, own 4chan, I beg to differ!

I will, Fuck yous whole, family....with my cock!!!!

>>41401828
Love, /b/.....

>>41401828
>>41401831
Ruck rue, /b/!!!!

>>41401839
Oh, rascist, I see???

Ok......rets ray.....

>>41401848
Ruck rue ×2 /b/.. rue ruckin rogs!!!

>>41401848
>>41401858
>8 batttle!!!!!
Go!!!

>>41401865
/x/ shall prevail!!!

>>41401869
1/4 mile at a time, rice muncher....

>>41401876
>rice consumer??
Fuck it!!!

wtf happened to this thread?

>>41400760
Make a new thread with this please

>>41380500
>accidents

>>41400421
It's occult. It'll have a hidden meaning.

>>41401718
You can easily find proof of this on genealogy websites, most of them require a subscription though.

And yes, many people are related to Basil I if you start branching out into cousins and the like, but that isn't the case here, John is his direct descendant, Basil is his 30X great grandfather or something like that.

>>41373954
This post is well-poisoning. No part of her story was "proven to be false." Thread tainted

>>41400622
Electroshock side effect

www.whale.to/c/droopy_eyelid.html

>>41373814 (OP)
One of the tabloids says that AI has solved this murder.

>>41403083
she was claiming John Ramsey was abusing her in California at times when he was proven to be in the Philippines, numbnuts.

>>41402917
Huh, I still havent seen any proof of this, but if what you say is indeed true than I guess that's noteworthy. Thanks for clarifying

>>41400622
Is that why people look at me funny sometimes? My eyes are way more uneven than hers.

Really odd the Ramseys had so many sussy friends

>>41406001
Not really, the wealthy are weird like that and Colorado was considered a place to get away with that sort of thing at the time.

>>41401718
>I just don't see the relevance

This is x where there are theories that many nobles and elites were satanic illuminati who molested and sacrificed and have passed down these cult traditions but kept them secret. As mentioned above, see Svali Says or Fritz Springmeier

I remember growing up seeing tabloid articles in grocery store checkout lines with her face, but honestly don't remember much else. Why was her case, in particular, such a focus of media attention, when kids die all the time?

>>41400421
>>41402755
It's just her father's name feminized. Oldest trick in the book, you straights really got an advantage. Wanna Pact with something good? Shit out a natural DNA clone and offer its life instead of yours.

John getting older

>>41406323
same thing with Heather O'Rourke, except this one couldn't be written off as an accident.

>>41408862
Since you brought up Heather O'Rourke there are some interesting connections between JBR and the movie Poltergeist.

- First and most obvious is the physical similarities between Heather and JonBenet.
- In Poltergeist, the spiral staircase is prominently featured, spiral staircase is where the ransom note was found.
- JonBenet's body was covered with a blanket from her bed and placed in a small, windowless room within a room. Carol Ann was "kidnapped" by spirits (the dead) via a portal in her bedroom closet (small, windowless room within a room). Her parents feared that the small body under her blanket from Carol Ann's bed was hers, but it was the large clown doll.
- Carol Ann's bed table has a lamp consisting of 2 lifesized hands holding a large light red, or pink heart. JonBenet had a red heart drawn in the palm of her hand. Hearts are one of the movie's themes. She has a poster with a heart and a heart balloon in her room. The mother has a heart on the table by her bed.
- Heather O'Rourke was born Dec 27th, one day from JonBenet's murder, and as close as the killer could get to H's birthdate considering the Ramseys were leaving for a trip.

>>41409241
Very interesting, very interesting indeed.

I knew there were similarities between them. Thanks for pointing some out I didn't know (like the Birthday)

>>41409241
Wasn't there something up with the little girl in Eyes Wide Shut?

>>41403127
Yes; MK side effect. It has been going on a long time. Dissociation visible at a glance.

Anyone remember that twitter thread about how she was A.I. that her dad created? it was next level schizo.

>>41381913
>read the rules for this board,

back to plebbit, faggot. chop chop.

>>41383002
makes the most sense. dumbass. She stole his pineapple and milk and he hit her with a flashlight because he was a little sperg.

>>41410187
>makes the most sense. dumbass. She stole his pineapple and milk and he hit her with a flashlight because he was a little sperg.

yeah, and then the parents strangled her corpse with a garotte and violated her with a paintbrush to cover it up. after going to these lengths to protect Burke, they then immediately let him out of their control and sent him to house full of people, including a cop who questioned him, and he didn't say anything suspicious then, or later when he was questioned multiple times by therapists. makes perfect sense. dumbass.

>>41409241
great info anon. The rabbit hole goes deeper

>>41400760
>When you inflict that sort of pain on an innocent systematically, ritualistically and very methodically especially to untainted and pure soul there is a very fragile vibration that might or might not take hold, consider it magick, and if done right then the crossroads open and you can "offer" the essence of the offered person to a world that is very predatory to ours. You see, what they don't tell you in your schools and public education is that there is an entire jungle out there waiting to feast on human souls. These are not even "beings" in the traditional sense but just know that something out there "eats" whatever you offer.
>A lot of the killings are praised and made public, the more shilled a killing is the bigger the sacrifice. Think Princess Diana... etc
>The way to offer, is to take the pure, and scramble their brain frequencies with such abominable pain and sexual violence that they become kind of beacons. Consider them a radio, and you turn it "on". Every once and a while, an offering is made to the other side, and it is a tale as old as time. Whoever gave away this girl to be eaten got back a lot of material gain, the "other" side can make things happen for you. They have dominion over this reality and are quite literally the shapers of it.
>There are inter-governmental level agreements to give away hundreds of thousands of people to the other side each year. This poor girl is nothing but an amateur number. If you are here for snuffporn know that she was raped repeatedly before murder and very likely made to experience as much as pain and fear as possible before being killed off to whatever being was waiting for her on the other side where her essence will be gnawed and eaten by the soul eaters. The more spastic the subject before being popped off the better.
>You genuinely have no idea how bad things are.
Holy delete this, batman.

>>41409988
interested in this

>>41409336
At the end of the movie in the toy store, she is shown in the background in one of the scenes being led away by two well dressed men.

>>41375219
>>41375431
>>41410187
hello glowniggers

>>41410389
I remember reading a thread on here a few months ago, maybe about a year ago actually, about how Sabrina Carpenter's Dad was a shady Hollywood Exec and how Sabrina Carpenter was somehow connected to Lolita and Eyes Wide Shut.
I'm not trying to derail this thread since this JonBenet stuff also interests me a lot. But I am curious if anyone else remembers that thread about Carpenter and can provide more insight cause I wanna spread the word on that.

>>41410629
That's right! It was her. Carry on.

>>41373814 (OP)
It's Burke. It was always Burke and a hasty cover up by the parents to save face.

The amount of psychotic behavior that the parents covered up for Burke and his numerous prior incidents of aggressiveness against his sister never really came up in the mainstream. I mean he would smear feces on Jon Benet's bed and walls every night in a jealous rage, and the Ramseys' were like "oh, that's just Burke doing Burke things". They were in denial and all the therapy and incidents were suppressed until that tragic night and they paniced.

>>41410811
Well Sabrina Carpenter would have been only 4 months old when Eyes Wide Shut came out so I don't think the little girl in the movie was her.
I don't know why you're so quick to dismiss this. You're either worried about the thread getting derailed or you're a glowie.
Either way, what I'm talking about is somewhat related to this JonBenet stuff.

>>41410887
It's not her, I meant the person at the end of Eyes Wide Shut tied into Sabrina Carpenter.

Fun fact: The Little Girl just sort of walks off with two men at the 1:30 mark and isn't seen for the remaining several minutes of the film.

>>41410904
"Walks off"

Umm that was the price. The cost.

>>41410904
>Fun fact: The Little Girl just sort of walks off with two men at the 1:30 mark and isn't seen for the remaining several minutes of the film.
Yeah, it is interesting. I've heard in the original cut of the movie it was supposed to be more obvious that they sold their daughter to avoid being murdered by the Freemasons.
When Tom Cruise goes back to the Mansion, the original note probably said something about that. "We already warned you once, now you'll need to give us your daugther or wife". Something like that.
Also there is pictures of deleted scenes where Tom Cruise and his wife spend a day with the daugther and they're wearing the same clothes so it seems like it would have ended with them going Christmas Shopping like we see in the movie.
The Two Men that walk off at the same time as their daughter are also mentioned multiple times throughout the movie including in the newspaper article Tom Cruise reads. They're also seen sitting at a table next to the stairs when Tom Cruise has to go upstairs during the party at the beginning of the movie.

Since Eyes Wide Shut is being discussed, its worth mentioning that there are longstanding rumors going back to the early 2000s that Nicole Kidman knows Fleet White and was present at his Christmas party on the 25th.

I didn't include it in the OP posts because I've never been able to find the original source for it, so it might just be a baseless rumor that's been passed around for a long time.

>>41411075
That's interesting, arguable coincidental, but interesting none the less.

>>41410629
You can search for it. Don’t derail this thread. It was big the last few months

>>41379511
Chill out faggot. 30 something and posting like a fucking spaz. Jesus. God forbid we have an interesting thread and not some nobody tulpa bullshit for the millionth time.

>>41403127
>>41409632
I have this. How do I break free?

>>41400760
If they have dominion over this reality and can shape it as they please, why don't they procure their own snacks? Why make back-alley deals with pond scum?

>>41411992
I'm not the guy who wrote that but its because everything has a cost, everything needs fuel.
You cant make a fire without sacrificing something to fuel it. This is how everything works.
So yes, these beings have the power to alter our reality and do us favors, but they need fuel, exchange.
So we offer them tortured innocent souls (children), they feed on the souls and this fuels them, gives them power.
Then they can alter our reality and do us a favor in return. Its an exchange.

I'm not the best at explaining this but basically they dont have total power over our reality, they need food.
We feed them, it charges them up (also gives them a direct link to our world through YOU who gave them the offering), and they are able to alter our reality.
Think of it like how Christians say that Demons dont have direct power over the Earth or Man, they need a human to bow to them and give them power.

>>41411980
I think we're just like this forever.

You can always tell when a thread has genuine information in it by how the shills attack and try to derail it.

>>41412052
How does the person making the sacrifice make sure that they get what they want out of the deal? Do they have to make genuine speaking terms contact with these beings first? Do they simply have to hold an intention in their mind when doing the sacrifice as manifesting their preferred reality and the beings will know what to do from there? How do they ensure the sacrifice is not wasted, is not a monkey paw scenario, etc?

>>41409241
Predictive programming right here. Planning and showing before they do it.

There was some connection made between the Ramsey's and players in Sandy Crook and maybe Columbine. I'd have to dig in the archives...

>>41415891
wouldn't surprise me one bit considering a lot of these things end up involving the same people or people with connections to those people

>>41415891
Wouldn't surprise me if it was Columbine.

It seems like a lot of psychological warfare relocated from California to Colorado in the 90s. McMartin was the last big California one

>>41374530
What kinda fucked up occult satanic black magic voodoo is this shit?

>>41417556
>>41418185
I don't know if these are the exact threads but there were a few on SH and Columbine in Jan/Feb 2024.
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/36917868/#36951581
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/36980637/#q36980637

This vid goes deep into the profit motives for various parents tied to SH, it's almost 3 hours.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/iazwAxgBtexC/

Harris’s father worked at FlightSafety what offers all kinds of training and simulation solutions for aerospace with ties to Lockheed Martin and John Ramsey was a exec at AccessGraphics which was a subsidiary of them.

Not the strongest connection. Thousands of people in Colorado work in tech, aerospace, defense but perhaps they shared a similar "culture". The private sector companies are "deep communities" in the same way Sandy Hook was probably a "deep town" with a certain outward facing presentation to the public with something very different going on internally within a core group.

>>41419177
>The sale of Access Graphics to General Electric Co., reported in The Denver Post Monday, is expected to be completed by the end of the year. At that time, Ramsey will leave as president of Access Graphics, a firm he started in 1988 and then sold to Lockheed Martin Corp. in 1991.

>Lockheed Martin kept him on and promoted Ramsey to president and chief executive officer. Once the sale is completed to General Electric, Ramsey will be retained as a consultant.

>"He has announced to his employees that he no longer will be president of Access Graphics once the acquisition is completed, which should be before the end of the year," said Hal Haddon, Ramsey's attorney.

>>41420093
>Hal Haddon, Ramsey's attorney

Hal Haddon also worked for Kobe Bryant when he was accused of rape in Colorado

>>41419177
interesting treads regardless, thanks

Anybody look into stephen paddocks connections to jonbenet ramsay? What you will find is pretty interesting

>>41373814 (OP)
I miss her, i don't know why

they had an open house for christmas with many people coming through during the holiday seasons to look at decorations. so the suspects are likely people who cased the place during that period, returned later at night on christmas day to rob the place, the family returned earlier than expected so they hid in the house, the little girl came down to eat her pineapple and interrupted them, they panicked and hit her (she died), and then bungled everything afterwards.

the reason the intruder story makes sense is because of how fucking big the house was. junkies broke in, couldn't find an obvious safe to rob, got surprised and panicked, accidentally killed the girl during a kidnapping attempt and then fled on foot in the early morning hours. mother, father, brother all acted suspicious because rich people are weird.