Thread 41401158

Is there a middle path between those who claim this world is a reptilian loosh farm and those who enslave themselves to suffering by insisting it's just a school "for our own good"? What do you call that?

The school shit makes me want to scream... it's so common among modern spiritual circles. They will smile and tell you we incarnated to suffer so we can "learn, trust me bro" and that we're just silly little characters in an endless reincarnation cycle. Yet they never question how twisted that really is.

How is a soul using its human avatar as a puppet... forcing it through trauma so it can satisfy some cosmic desire for growth... anything but psychotic? They tell you this with a smile and seem to think it's the best thing ever. They incarnated into an abusive family as a child to learn! And never even question what the soul does with all the learning in the afterlife when it's done.

>>41401158 (OP)
The Buddha, knowing telepathically the thought of venerable Shariputra, said to him, "What
do you think, Shariputra? Is it because the sun and moon are impure that those blind from
birth do not see them?"
Shariputra replied, "No, Lord. It is not so. The fault lies with those blind from birth, and not
with the sun and moon."

Vimalakirti Sutra

an armory contains weapons
a memory contains memes

>>41401158 (OP)
The bodhisattva who have great compassion come here and see all these beings suffering. Thats sad. Why not release airborne diseases and kill everyone softly and humanely off. Too satanic?

>>41401158 (OP)
> Middle path?
Perhaps Earth is an energetic playground. Like an ordinary playground, it has bullies and fights and kids falling down and skinning their knees.
The other day I woke up and when I was half asleep I really inhabited that "It's all lessons" mindset. I could clearly see the beauty and synchronicity in the suffering and conflict in my life. But then an hour later when I was fully awake I was cranky about them again. So there are multiple perspectives.
The most practical thing to do is embrace the mystery, let there be some gaps in your understanding. It makes no sense to go through life feeling sorry for yourself because the world is supposedly a prison. There's no hard proof of that. People who have had astral visions or whatever "proving" the earth is a prison could be wrong, it could be just some elaborate illusion, a show of theater. Robert Monroe was taught our world is a loosh farm, but it could just be entities knew he would publish his ideas and they would be influential, especially since he was literally a wealthy broadcasting executive. Perhaps the entities just wanted to subtly demoralize people.
And so the best thing to do is to be open to positive possibilities. When you choose to take the mindset of seeing the good in suffering, then we are conditioning ourselves to learn from suffering. But it doesn't mean suffering is necessary, we can also learn through play and fun.
The amount of suffering on earth is a bit exaggerated. Modern people are conditioned to take offense at relatively minor inconveniences which causes more unnecessary suffering. And like C.S. Lewis pointed out, that there's really no such thing as collective suffering. Like you'll hear statistics about how 10,000 children suffered, which makes the audience sort of imagine the same child suffering 10,000 times, but each child only experienced the suffering of one person.
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>>41401158 (OP)

>It's a school namaste :D

The problem with this is that it is completely aimless. Learn what exactly? That is the problem, these people got no bloody clue what they mean here either.

>>41401277

Shh. You´re only gonna get us in trouble again with such "ideas". :P

>>41401278
>I could clearly see the beauty and synchronicity in the suffering and conflict in my life.

>>41401158 (OP)
>>41401278
<Part 2>
I've spent a lot of time over the years doing my own personal "research", and from what i have 'observed' the spiritual forces in the world are diverse and we have a lot of influence over them. So it's important not to give spiritual entities permission to give you suffering. Much suffering is caused by people's feelings of guilt and lack of self-worth, if you pay attention people actively avoid feeling good, they avoid letting positive things into their lives. So don't be one of those people, and it goes along way.
So live as if you assume you have a big say in what you will experience in life and the afterlife. Take responsibility, it's like that saying, "With power comes responsibility". Well, it goes both ways, with responsibility comes power. When you feel sorry for yourself and think of yourself as a victim, you give away more power. But when you take responsibility, even when things aren't fair, you increase your power.
Reminds me of the parable of the elephant tied to a flimsy pole. They started tying him when he was a baby and couldn't escape, but when the elephant grows up but still lets themself be confided by the flimsy pole even though they can easily rip it out of the ground. So remember, when you can't overcome hardships in life, remember you are still growing, and be open to the possibility that later things can be different.
And there are positive entities you can ally with. It really does pay to be a good person and help others, but at the same time cultivate power and influence, because then positive entities want to work through you. It's taboo to discuss it but a lot of historical figures, and current politicians and entreprenuers, they secretly practice things like channeling and going to psychics, and they get a lot of advice that way.

>>41401313
>The problem with this is that it is completely aimless. Learn what exactly?

They say shit like... learn love and wisdom, the more you suffer and experience the contrast of pain/death then the more insight you get about what it means to love deeply. This desire somehow makes it fine to create human characters and brutalize them apparently.

>>41401329
>>41401278
I think you are making good points. When you said to embrace the mystery and to be open to positive possibilities. But, when people embrace this "it's a school, everyone suffers because they want to!" spiritual view that is extremely common... perhaps the most common view aside from religions... I can't see this as positive. Just digging themselves deeper into this cycle of abuse and becoming an ally of the suffering instead of pointing the finger at it and calling for it to be abolished and demanding freedom for all souls.

>The amount of suffering on earth is a bit exaggerated.
Is it though? Just look at the animal kingdom. Most animals live in a permanent state of either stress or blood thirst. The pain of the devoured animal is greater than the joy of the predator eating flesh. For them it's just another meal. 15~ million humans attempt suicide each year. Billions of humans live in soulless, wage-cucking jobs never fulfilling their dreams.

Ok, I read the rest of your second post now. Good stuff.

>>41401320
I'm curious who wrote that, but I disagree, but at the same time it's a good message for contemporary audiencies like typical judeo-christians.
It's overly-simplistic. It's black vs. white, all-or-nothing thinking. I totally agree that we should avoid suffering as much as possible, but we have already suffered and will realistically experience more suffering. Might as well make the most of it.
It's stupid and ignorant to say suffering has no possible merit. I believe in assuming that anything can be learned through suffering could also be learned without suffering. But there's no shortage of people who completely gotten over their past suffering and objectively grew and learned from it. It's obvious how being pampered and spoiled in the wrong ways can just as much lead to slavery and destruction.
It's a great message for getting people motivated in the moment, to get people to reject worshipping the image of someone dying horribly on a stick. Some religious seem alright, but many basically worship shame, suffering, guilt, they could use that message.
We should work towards a world where people learn through play and spontaneity and creativity and freedom, and show patience and nuanced thinking towards that goal.

>>41401158 (OP)
It's both
Look into the concepts of reformatory schools and residential schools.

>>41401363
> But there's no shortage of people who completely gotten over their past suffering
Yet, statistically speaking suffering has more negative long-term effects than positive ones. When they looked at people who went through hardships they usually turn into more broken, dysfunctional people as adults than people who had a cozy, smooth life and end up being healthier, more successful and happier.

So if on average suffering makes people worse instead of teaching/elevating them AND all of this stuff could be achieved without suffering, how does that make suffering not a completely unnecessary and cruel?

>>41401158 (OP)
Prison for hylics and hopeless psychics.
School for pneumatics and hopeful psychics.
Which are you?

>>41401388
Neither. That's the point.

>>41401344
The animal kingdom bit is the modern brainwashing. Animals don't have big egoes and store trauma like humans do, so they don't suffer like we do. Not saying it's an excuse to justify animal suffering, but don't make assumptions. Animals lead short exciting lives, they live in the moment. Predators deeply enjoy experiencing blood thirst and then satisfying that thirst. Prey enjoy running around and away from danger one moment and then happily frolicking and fucking the next. Again, nuanced thinking, it's not all or nothing.
Nothing I say is to justify suffering, but to encourage you to be open to possibility, because regardless, thinking like a victim binds you the victim role. It's kind of like Pascal's wager. Have positive beliefs, be open to possibility if you have nothing to lose from it.

>>41401388
Snappy, I like that, a good distillation.

>>41401421
Why do you need an ego to suffer? Your ego can help you frame the suffering into something positive like religious or spiritual people so they see "value" in it, what value does an ego-less animal see in their innards being ripped out of their stomach and dying in terror and pointlessness?

>short exciting lives
You mean... stressful? Have you watched animals in the wild or how horrible cats or dogs turn when they live on their own? Parasites, losing limbs, constantly attacking each other, rape, dying young and usually painfully. Just the way you describe it as happily fucking and kind of ignore that many female animal species just kind of get raped and then are left to their own devices.

>>41401277
That's a lot of negativity to work off.

>>41401158 (OP)
It's either one you want it to be, it just a matter of how you choose to look at it. You can choose to suffer, or you can give the suffering meaning and grow from it, in which case it's no longer suffering, but a gift (see Man's Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl).

>>41401158 (OP)
It is a duty to be carried out. Maybe an initiation ritual akin to a walkabout

Aaaaaaargh im bitten by fleas?

>>41401403
The only middle ground is being undecided. I wouldn't call myself a pneumatic. I'm still pretty skeptical on most things/x/ but I can't deny that something out of the ordinary is going on with Earth and humanity. I'm just slowly slogging my way through the bs. Most believe that we're in the end times so hopefully within our life times we'll know which side of the fence we're on and if it's all as fantastic as we're lead to believe through religions myth and folklore.
Anyway.

>>41401552
>What's the best way to make a slave behave well in prison? Just tell them it's a school and he wants it and it will benefit him in the long run as you beat and rape him.

>>41401158 (OP)
There is no endless reincarnation, otherwise you could easily remember your previous lives.
People who claim to remember only have memories from this planet, that is, they are just accessing genetic memory (like in Assassins Creed).
This is the first and only incarnation in this plane. If you are a player, you have just born from the acausal in order to rescue Lucifer from the lower realms. Once she is rescued there is no need to incarnate in this plane anymore.

>>41401158 (OP)
They don’t loosh farm us….
1) why would humans only be on earth in our own galaxy. The entire galaxy would be a farm

2)they don’t need thing like food or energy sources. They’re so technologically advanced they can produce it out of thin air if they needed it

3)they don’t experience time meaning they’re an immortal self sustaining entity

4)why would the Monroe dude believe some rando entity that easily it’s retarded

The more likely scenario is they just keep us contained and reset us before we get too powerful. Since corrupt leaders keep ruling when we are at our peaks. They obviously want that so the mindwiped us snd force us to reincarnate.

>>41401330

Inverted thinking. Not even masochism, as that would at least get a balancing "kick" out of it (unless we say these cases do so subconsciously) ... like that would "auto-generate" anything noble or better. If you turn it upside down ofc and see it as maintaining something noble already existing AGAINST the odds, no matter how bad ... entirely different thing then. That would be a lesson, and not necessarily for oneself.

>>41401158 (OP)
We're stuck in a timeloop trying to navigate the great filter.
Except pretty much everyone went insane, gave up on ever escaping the timeloop, and now just larp while the apocalypse plays on repeat.
What's more, if we actually make it through all this then we're still stuck at the biggest temporal pivot point in history so we constantly experience new branching timelines around the same time as now (mostly a little earlier though) as the ancient future universal simulation tweaks things around to see what kind of different futures the butterfly effects will lead to.

It's hard to find truth with all these schizos theories.

>>41401870
Bro, where are you going to go if you could escape from the prison planet?

>>41401158 (OP)
The middle path is that it's a sandbox reality, and we not only define our own realities, but create them too.

That realization can either destroy you or free you.

>>41401158 (OP)
The higher soul is a cuck who is guilty for living in paradise, thus finds reason to incarnate to cuck itself for whatever reason

>>41402180
"I WANT TO KEK MYSELF TO LEARN THE WISDOM OF BEING IN PAAAIN OMG PLEASE PUNISH ME HARDER I LOVE THAT SUFFERING"

bitch higher self

>>41401158 (OP)
As a kid I intuitively knew it was a school.
As an adult I intuitively knew it was a loosh farm.
As a spirit I intuitively know it is this or that, depending on the perspective you take.

>>41402045
this would be kinda cool actually lol

The planet is a big, round, juicy ass, and the sewer exit is in India. Hence why all escape doctrines come from there, and why the jeets are so obsessed with poop.

>>41402057
>It's hard to find truth with all these schizos theories.
This. I remember 15-20 years ago it was actually fascinating looking into things on the Internet.
It was much much easier to find actually thought out conspiracy theories with some actual evidence to back them up.
Nowadays, the internet is so flooded with people that looking for the "truth" is harder than ever.
Any moron can come on the internet and write their schitzo theory these days, no evidence required.
I feel bad for the younger generations who missed out on the internet's prime.

>>41401158 (OP)
>Prison planet vs "It's a school namaste :D"
people who worry about this have never actually been to prison. they suffer because they choose to, and blame others for it, rather than themselves.
think about it this way- did you really like EVERYTHING about school? was it all terrible? or did you have the convenience and privilege to complain a lot and learn nothing if you wanted? could you play hookie and lie about why you didn’t do your homework? could you also exceed beyond your limits if you said fuck it and really tried? lol you can do whatever the fuck you want here and you cant do any of that shit in jail so trust me anon, your weak ass would MUCH rather be in a school namaste XD

>>41401278
>>41401329
All you and your ilk are doing is dancing with rationalization and good vibes. You don't see it clearly for what it is. By now it should be clear as day that everything and everyone is entangled in a deliberate structure that is behind the curtain of all appearances and does not have anyone's wellbeing in mind. Any attempt to change the structure is transformed back into the structure.

Those who see this clearly, not as an emotion or a concept but as a matter of fact, will feel helplessly trapped, isolated and with a deep sense of longing.

>>41401277
Coof only, coof max

>>41402413
um excuse me, but i've been writing my schizo theories without evidence since 15-20 years ago

>>41401158 (OP)
If you want to have a nice cup of Kopi Luwak, you will have to put your bean through some shit.

>>41401939
If we let everyone die of the coof then people cant be looshfarmed or farmed for any reason.

>>41402457
If this is true, which I'm pretty sure you're just being humourous, then nobody took you seriously back then.
There used to be a higher bar to cross before people actually humored your theories.
Though, once again if true, you must be very happy today where you can just write whatever you want and SOMEONE will believe you haha.

>>41402057
>>41402413
>schizos theories
>conspiracy theories with some actual evidence
These posters are themselves prime examples of the mental illness that surround us. They would tell you that the Lion King is a movie about a bunch of animals because they have no pattern recognition or abstract thinking skills.

My succubus hinted we're actually in Hell/Punishment planet that has less interaction with the Creator than other universes or areas of Creation. So I wonder if we're in a merciful Hell called earth or Earths harshness is something I don't get.

The animals eat each other, we eat the animals, the animals eat us.

The major religions talk about eternal torture (God letting spirits troll us, God would never burn us alive for trillions of years). God would never burn us alive for trillions of years straight. But let us get 1 bad death by bad luck (if we get into accident instead of die of age) on a shitty punishment planet after 0-100 years of mediocre life after we lived a life of sin? Yes I it's possible us all the Creations are in the wrong here and the Creator is justly punishing us all because we have shitty past lives.

>>41402466
Exactly that’s another point, the human population has been pretty small and there was a time of no humans. So either we’re the truffles of the universe or it’s bs. IMO it’s to make us demotivated and feel isolated. Typical demonic tricking.

>>41401870
That's how a victim would frame it. How I choose to frame it is, whatever led you give me as a joke, I will transmute into gold. There is nothing that you can do to me that I will not turn to my advantage. But you do you.

>>41402560
Yeah sure, just keep suffering like a good goy. All of this is just for your benefit. Never even think about breaking out.

It’s simply another area of creation. Creation is not only our physical world we see but is incomprehensibly vast.

Some areas are ful of wonder and blessing and joy, some areas are full suffering even worse than ours. Our earth life here is for gaining power. You learn how to overcome the “archons” and the “demiurge” and gain power for your soul. Allowing you to exist in the other areas.

School? Prison? Nope it’s actually a training ground. Ultimately thr stuff here doesn’t matter all too much it’s the outside part of creation where our power is really neeeded and there are real consequences for our actions. The earth is still kinda like a day care where our virtues and vices essentially don’t amount to much they only serve to enjoyer ourselves and others to prepare for the real fight outside.

>>41401369
The only "good" I can think of to come from suffering (up to a certain threshold of suffering anyway) is to make you feel thankful and humble for not suffering later on. That still just seems perverse to me though.

>>41402580
And why do some souls incarnate as kids who get gangraped to the point of suicide (like in Sudan right now) and others don't? Unless you want to say that all of us will have that experience.

>>41401277
If nothing existed in this plane of existence something would still exist in another plane of existence. If Buddha is correct there's no escape but through buddhahood alone.

>>41402599
Buddhahood is not an escape. It is a knowing. Buddha did not simply sit like an effendi. He lived among us, and worked among us.

Thats why i keep saying. The coof is a gift, we can kill off humanity even before someone even thinks about raping another. Spread that airborne coof corona 100x, we dont need not vaxx we need to go in peace


Boromir meme: it is a gift

>>41402599
Get a coof so good that even buddha kicks the bucket

>>41401158 (OP)
Watch the Prison School anime

>>41402506
>have shitty past lives.
lies

>How is a soul using its human avatar as a puppet... forcing it through trauma so it can satisfy some cosmic desire for growth... anything but psychotic?
Very valid reaction. I've been there, and still continue to question things. Skepticism is good, but skepticism should be equally applied in all directions, dont fall for your own biases
I reject prison planet as a matter of principle; It is fatalistic in a way that ultimately absolves you of all responsibility and traps you on the lowest vibration, fear, and paranoia.
One thing I believe, is that God loves the strong. It is possible to muster up enough inner strength and resolve to tackle life's challenges and even thrive
A more challenging "school" (meaning, this time, this age, on this planet) means greater opportunity for growth. If the school was easy, then you would not learn much. And the other side of it, is that you have your own karma to deal with. If you've been a shitty person your whole life, or in past lives, well you have to burn that karma off and clear blockages.
Ultimately, we have free will and we have choice. We are blessed to find ancient esoteric wisdom, training manuals for spiritual advancement, at the click of a button. Will you choose to practise it? That's up to you. That is a very powerful thing. Your Will, your Power.

>>41401158 (OP)
Tbh , maybe you are supposed to learn that going here as a school is actually a bad idea for "x" or "y" reason.

>>41401158 (OP)
its a school namaste fags and it was gods will fags are both the most evil people in the world besides the false demon god adonai
there are no real gods
only parasitic eregores lie to get food

>>41401158 (OP)
i could coax you into a version where its not that bad.. because the prison planet worldview is really bad and is perverse injustice.

let me explain it...
its not a prison planet for no-reason and the "loosh" is not extracted for egoistic gain by those who extract it. they do not need it. they need to remove it from you to reset you to a baseline.
you have to reincarnate again into corporal life to continue suffering.
you are paying for the cosmic crime you have committed, you are a cosmic criminal.
the punishment is not eternal, at some point its gonna be over. it differs for everyone. enlightenment is when you graduate from prison.
the cause for your imprisonment is running after sense-gratification, the chiefest of which is lust. i won't go too much into detail, but this is the reason why celibacy/monkhood/nunhood exists.

in this worldview, the prison is more like hell: a place of cleansing.
(fire and brimstone was used to cleanse, especially the later one, look it up)

how does the cleanse work? if you are continually thrown into situations where you can exercise sense gratification, at some point you will notice that it is not fulfilling. the bottomless pit in your soul can not be satisfied by it. you realize this not just intellectually, but deeply subconsciously. you have sort of a midlife crisis about it.
that is how the reformation works

as the Buddha said, you are fettered into this existence due to clinging to desire. you are basically fettering yourself.
the moment you stop, your energy body reactivates, regenerates and literally lifts you out of this dense place. i mean that literally, im talking about the rainbow body or the glorified body or the immortal fetus.
the fetters are gone. you are free.
you just gotto keep your cristos within, stop wasting it. accept it finally.
there is no door to freedom other than this and it has always been this!

when lust is dealt with, every other desire goes away. lust is the mother of all other desires

>>41402941
(cont)
lets use some abrahamic wisdom..
the allegory of the prodigal son is actually also about this: you were in the spirit realm, but due to curiosity and desire, you took on material form, "falling" so to speak from your former glory into mortality. now you are stuck here, in a pig den, "enjoying" sense gratification and thus suffering.
when it is realized that the cause of suffering is exactly that, the prodigal son awakens, realizes the mistake and returns back to the Father.

this allegory is also called the "mystery of godliness" elsewhere, how that God (you) did it not consider it robbery, to lower himself, came in flesh (as you, as all incarnations), suffered, died and resurrected and went back to heaven.
this is a pattern for all incarnation. no life is lost, because Life is of God or God itself. there is no sentience apart from God.

and obviously, there is also the most obvious allegory, namely that of the crucifixtion, which has been unveiled already here and elsewhere.

basically: there is nothing to worry. you are suffering due to your own doing. its all thanks to yourself, the guardians of the prison are only keeping the mechanism up, which you set up. and since you have subjected yourself to it, you are suffering through it.
but in the end, its all in your hands. no one is holding you here against your will.
even while suffering, you continue chasing after sense gratification, meaning you wanna stay here in hell.
so its all on you.

thus everything is fine. there is no cosmic injustice.

>>41402941
>>41402978
Existence itself is sensational.

>>41402498
Asking for evidence is mental illness? You're barking up the wrong tree buddy.
I've been around for a while and there are tons of theories that I 100% believe in, I think you'd be surprised.
The difference is that these older theories had actual evidence to back them up. Today, not so much.
>Bird Flu
>WMD
>USS Liberty
>Reichstag Fire
>Sigil of Saturn/Cult of Saturn
>Black Cubes
>9/11 Truth
>JFK Truth
>MK ULTRA
And this is just beginner stuff. Everything I just listed was well thought-out and had actual evidence to back it up.
Nowadays you have shit like "3i/Atlas is le aliens and le project blue beam is happening now!!!"
So damn stupid these days. Sorry that you're a newgen moron who thinks asking for evidence is anti-conspiracy.

Its an insane asylum

>>41402941
>>41402978
This is what abused people often believe, and it's something their abusers tell them: 'Oh, it's not so bad. Oh, he's actually not that bad. It's for your own good. Oh, it's actually my fault,' etc. Fucking Stockholm syndrome...

>>41401158 (OP)
It is a system designed to make you face yourself. Yourself being the parts of you you are not conscious about, the subconscious.
Those who recognize the evil and the suffering see it as a trap, unfairly designed as the means to escape are hidden to us. Those who cope, see it as a school. Let's throw away all notions and labels, it is a system and we are in it. Is it good or evil? It doesn't matter. Can we escape? I don't know, I know as much as you, that is, I'm here, I will die, I don't know what comes next. That's it. You are correct though, this can only be designed by a sadistic evil god and any argument against this is just cope. God is evil, but that's a problem for later when you are out of here, for now you have to understand the system so you can get away, and one very important thing of this system is that what you think of yourself, the system will give you more of, that is, being a victim, the most common disease in humanity is victim mentality. If you think yourself as a victim of god, or anything really, you continue to experience bad things. There is no "escape" from the matrix because the matrix is you, as I said, you are in the process of facing yourself, and so, the "enemy" can keep up with your intelligence because it is your shadow. You fix the matrix by fixing yourself, and so it dissolves. The matrix is this notion of you being a victim of something. The evil sadistic god that put you here is you, and you did this because you know you can take it. For what purpose? let's hope we find out in the future, but like I said, for now, fix the matrix which is the notions and beliefs you hold about yourself. That's my take on it anyways

>>41401158 (OP)
>The school shit makes me want to scream
Oh it's such a cope. 'Spiritual growth' is just a human ego concept anyway because God exists outside of such paradigms.

>>41402589
That's individualist thinking. That would make more sense if life were solitary, but it's communal. When you experience the kind of suffering that is rewarding/necessary, you gain empathy for others who are suffering, which may be in the kind that is not necessary.

>>41403095
It's so common and accepted in spiritual communities. A lot of best-selling authors, psychic mediums, yoga instructors or astral travelers will say that.

And I always find it so strange how they tell you this like it's a beautiful message of love and growth. Very few people point out of cruel and bizarre this idea is that "Higher Souls" incarnate themselves into human puppets to suffer so that the Soul can jerk itself off to "learning" ... with no end goal in sight.

>>41403133
And hope you never reach the "I'm never ever going to have children because I would never want to subject anyone else to this kind of living hell" levels of suffering.

>>41403176
too late

>>41403158
It's because people want so badly to think that the universe isn't just a cold, feelingless nightmare realm. Oh, your dog died and your girlfriend fucked your best friend and your left hand has stopped functioning? It's for your own good, bro! That'll teach ya!

>>41401313
Astral girl in my dream was curious about maintaining equilibrium when standing up and running and if you think about it babies don't know what to walk and stay standing

>>41402572
>just keep suffering

>>41401552
>or you can give the suffering meaning and grow from it, in which case it's no longer suffering

Try addressing what I have said instead of rewording things into something I did not say. You seem hell bent on misinterpreting my words.

>>41401158 (OP)
It is not a school. This would imply students are properly resourced for it. There is far too much inequity in the world for this to be a school.

This is not a prison. We would be made clearly aware of our crime to reflect on it.

This is a library.
Its books are consumable and meant to be returned to the land. You are to meditate, create, bond, or rest on what you ate during your 4 hour digestive process/rest.
You are a living encyclopedia.
We are all meant to to return to the land but our sterilized culture prevents this for some reason and entombs, incinerates, or preserves the body so it’s not integrated back into the land.

Much of this worlds books have been destroyed, much of this worlds encyclopedias have been destroyed.
Return to the land.

Heaven is Hell
Hell is Heaven

>>41403325
Get away from me, freak

>>41403095
>because God exists outside of such paradigms
So? theyre still paradigms and theyre still pretty cool
spiritual growth... lol

>>41403082
i mean you could use that sort of sophistry and be done with the idea..
but the thing is, for the stockholm syndrome to be true, there needs to be an aggressor:
there is none.

how can i say this? because its a mechanism.
celibacy literally regenerates virya/chi, which transmutes into shen, nourishing the higher vessel until at a thresholdpoint a consciousness shift occurs from the material to the immaterial vessel and you achieve liberation.
there is no overseer to this process, its a natural mechanism like puberty.
i mean you could argue that God or the demiurge oversees this, yeah whatever...

in the end, you can come up with any fanfic to point anything any way. its best to chose ideologies which will lead to a harmonious lives. truth can not be captured by intellect or speech, so don't worry about whether you have the right ideology or not, be rather pragmatic.

OP has a dark POV. this POV, although still dark, is at least a version where there is a way out. so there is hope.
ofc it would be been far better if he never took any pills and stayed a normie. but he has been infected with a mind virus, im just dispensing some white pills, gradually weening him off from such unwholesome mental states.
i am not even necessarily telling the truth (though some parts is suspect to be true, but i could be wrong).
its all pragmatism.

the pipeline is:
ween off of porn through its equally potent antidote, celibacy!
then when normalcy is achieved, ween off of celibacy and push towards marriage (this is easy).

>>41401363
It’s by Phillip K Dick from his essay Cosmogony and Cosmology. You can read the whole essay in full here https://dickiangnosticism.wordpress.com/2017/11/12/cosmogony-and-cosmology/

Seems like a load of pseudo-philosophical schizo babble to me but it’s a fun read nevertheless.

>>41401158 (OP)
>Is there a middle path between those who claim this world is a reptilian loosh farm and those who enslave themselves to suffering by insisting it's just a school "for our own good"?
It's a playpen, like where you stick a toddler when they are being troublesome.
Maya is an indulgence we choose, and can leave as soon as we stop trying to be the center of existence.
There's nothing to learn. There's no punishment going on.
It's our own foolish choice, and God indulging us as long as we wish.

>>41404083
The being who made the choice to come down here isn't exactly the same consciousness that has to live down here. The being who made the decision enslaves the human avatar/ego.

If the being decided that it would incarnate blind and missing limbs then the human self and its consent is completely being ignored.

Human self: I don't want to suffer physically like this.
"Soul" self: But you will and there's nothing you can do about it besides kill yourself or accept it.

Why is what the soul more important than what the human wants?

>>41404090
>The being who made the choice to come down here isn't exactly the same consciousness that has to live down here.
Wrong in tewo ways.
1 - yes, you are that same being. That you are now covered with temporary delusions does not change this.
2 - You are never "down here". That is the delusion of identifying with what you are not.
> The being who made the decision enslaves the human avatar/ego.
Nonsense. you talk of slavery like you think you have anything. Like you think you can do anything.
You are not the doer, and that is one of the delusions that you let keep you here.
>If the being decided that it would incarnate blind and missing limbs
You do not make that decision. you have no ability to decide in such a way.
you think you have free will in ways you do not.
You are not the doer.
>Why is what the soul more important than what the human wants?
There is no "the human".
There are material elements you - the soul - identify with.
Material elements can not suffer. You suffer because you identify with them.

>>41404111
>1 - yes, you are that same being. That you are now covered with temporary delusions does not change this.

Wrong. **I** would never agree to torture and hurt billions or myself so I can play around. But my "Higher Self" or "True Self" allegedly did. So if you remove my moral views and the core of my heart and mind, then that isn't me anymore, it is someone else. We have completely different views and morals.

>>41401158 (OP)
why do you want more when the answer is allready given. youre retarded.
people always try to make up their own rules, it never works.

YOURE APEP AND YOURE MILKED.

there is no way out for you, not even death. your bound here forever.

youre retards you would have to unfuck your souls in the polytope youre stuck inside. this will never happen. now be quiet and suffer silent.

>>41404138
>**I** would never agree to torture and hurt billions or myself
You did, you would, you do. You simply choose not to be aware of how you affect this world.
Nor are you considering that outside of samsara you are aware of how the soul, living beings, are unaffected.
No one is saying it is a wise choice, but it is one you are making, and it is one that is allowed.
>so I can play around
again the only thing you need to do to get out is give up the notion that you have any control or agency.
Yet here you are - fearing slavery and that exact loss.
So yes - you DO choose suffering so that you can think you are playing.
Even now, when the choice is blatant and in front of you - you will not choose what you have deemed slavery, even if it means ending your awareness of suffering and samsara.

just look at the sheigetz spamm, holy shit. you dont know anything.

>>41404168
Nope. That is just your OPINION. The person I am here, my personality and moral core, wouldn't even touch a video game or book if I knew the characters inside were in any kind of pain. And IF I DID I would play or write or imagine only good things for them.

You called this a playpen that I willingly went into. That's not possible because the "I" here would never decide that because it goes fundamentally against what I stand for. So it was literally a different, alien part of me that isn't 1:1 me because again... we are clearly different in our core values.

>>41404188
>That is just your OPINION.
No. But even if you want to say that out of desperation, you are admitting that yours is also just an opinion, and any complaint only comes from your whining about things that upset you.
>The person I am here
That is delusion, not you. You dont know who you are, which is why you only talk about things you think you won. MY thoughts. MY morals.
>wouldn't even touch a video game or book if I knew the characters inside were in any kind of pain
Hundreds and thousands of living beings suffer and die as a direct cause of you being alive for one day.
This is fact. You dont want to be aware of this fact.
>You called this a playpen that I willingly went into.
I said you were the initiating agent of coming here. Not just willingly came, but asked to.
>the "I" here
There is no "I" here. There are unsentient elements you are identifying with in delusion.

>>41404211
It literally is just your opinion, unless you can prove it, which you can't. And yes, what I am saying is also just my opinion. But you are not any more of an authority or truth-speaker on the topic than anyone here including me without evidence.

>That is delusion, not you.
What is delusional about this? I do not think I am just a human. I believe I am a soul and I am operating a human body around. Does the human-soul-me down here not deserve consent and freedom without arrogantly being brushed off as a delusion?

This is my problem with this shit. It's like some snobby rich faggots talking down on the poor and just abusing them or pushing them aside.

>This is fact. You dont want to be aware of this fact.
Please elaborate.

>>41404224
>It literally is just your opinion
As is yours. You are demanding that the material be able to contain and prove the transcendent, when by definition that is impossible.
But that is fine - you can feel safe talking about it in this way.
>you are not any more of an authority or truth-speaker on the topic
I never said I was, insecure child trembling about authority.
>What is delusional about this?
That you identify and believe you have control over what you do not.
>I believe I am a soul
You dont, and even academically you argue against it in your conceptual framework.
>I am operating
You arent. You are not the doer. It is not under your control.
>human-soul-me
Not a thing.
>This is my problem with this shit. It's like some snobby rich faggots talking down on the poor and just abusing them or pushing them aside.
No, your problem is that you try to mix the moralities of the spheres, without understanding what actually gets moral concern.
You are watching people shoot each other in Call of Duty, and thinking they are murderers.
>Please elaborate.
You cannot breathe without killing.
You cannot wash without killing.
you cannot move without killing.
At every moment, the body you identify with is killing living things, and causing suffering, just to maintain itself.
You literally cannot remain alive without constantly killing and causing suffering.
You can choose not to care about THOSE living things, but that doesnt change their death and their suffering.

>>41404270
>You are demanding that the material be able to contain and prove the transcendent, when by definition that is impossible.
It really isn't. God could just teleport into my room or your room right now and say Hello or teleport every human in the world into space while making them immortal and giving them a vision of truth.

>That you identify and believe you have control over what you do not.
What kind of control do I claim to have that I am delusional about? I am more complaining about NOT HAVING CONTROL and being under the whims and tyranny of beings in control, be it God or the faggot Higher Self.

>You dont, and even academically you argue against it in your conceptual framework.
What do you mean I don't. I don't think I am just a person. I have spoken to several psychic mediums and was in contact with passed loved ones, I am pretty certain that we persist after death and not just die as monkeys.

>Not a thing.
"Whatever you are down here isn't real because... it just isn't, ok?"

>You are watching people shoot each other in Call of Duty, and thinking they are murderers.
If the people in Call of Duty were suffering and feeling real, deep emotions then the players would be torturers, yes. If someone gave me a video game that if I press it gives you extreme pain would you call that teehee delusional not real just a game? No, you would beg me to stop and not tell me about how this is toootally not real or important or that it doesn't matter because you're not in control.

>At every moment, the body you identify with is killing living things, and causing suffering, just to maintain itself.
So the most merciful thing to reduce suffering for every living being would be to commit suicide?

>>41401158 (OP)
Yes, there is a middle explanation. It could be a test, either an examination or higher-level beings gaming out scenarios.

>>41404292
>It really isn't.
Of course it is. In-system by definition cannot contain out-system.
>God could
Irrelevant. God can create something God cannot lift, and lift it. We arent talking about God. We are talking about the material's proving capability.
>What kind of control do I claim to have that I am delusional about?
Pretty much all of it. You have one choice, and it isnt your mind.
>I am more complaining about NOT HAVING CONTROL
Well, that is what the delusion is for. As long as you want control, you can be here, thinking they are your body and your mind and your morals and decisions.
>What do you mean I don't.
I mean it is my judgement that you do not realize that you are not the body, but the soul. You can claim as you wish, that is my conclusion.
>isn't real
No one said it isnt real. It is temporary, and it isnt you, but it is real.
What isnt real is you saying "that's me."
Women are real. You ARENT a woman. Get it?
>If the people in Call of Duty were suffering
You dont think the players in Call of Duty suffer when they get shot? You've never seen someone yell and throw their controller?
Have you sworn off any and all games because it causes someone to lose?
Of coursed not. That's p[art of it, because that suffering is not a concern.
>So the most merciful thing to reduce suffering for every living being would be to commit suicide?
This is why I judge you do not accept you are the soul.
This is complete nonsense, when you understand you are an eternal being that is not the body and mind.

>>41404302
I wish that was true. I have never read about this that someone left their body and was told they not accepting this "omg its a school brooo" was the right path. If anything I just read about accounts where the spirit guides or God argued back or tried to get the person on their side.

>>41404340
>Of course it is. In-system by definition cannot contain out-system.
God can do whatever the fuck he wants though. Your (or mine) silly human limits do not apply to him? If he wants to then it would happen and even paradoxical stuff makes sense.
>We arent talking about God
Of course I am talking about God. Who else would provide the truth and evidence? Who would be better to do this than God?

> As long as you want control, you can be here, thinking they are your body and your mind and your morals and decisions.
Wow this really isn't depressing at all. Epic! Hey guys listen the human-you down here you are just a delusional puppet and you don't really matter at all. Your dreams, your hopes, your desires? Irrelevant! They will fade away and your big-cool-soul will keep doing whatever it wants! But all your human pains and dreams will be ignored and cast aside.

>You dont think the players in Call of Duty suffer when they get shot? You've never seen someone yell and throw their controller?
I don't think the actual characters feel getting stabbed, shot or the fear of death. The human frustration of someone raging I have experienced myself and I do not perceive on the same level as actually being in war or tortured physically.

>>41401158 (OP)
Life is actually just trying extremely hard with billions of years and countless lives worth of effort to create the conditions for developing intelligent souls, as if the existence of the universe depended on it.

>>41404364
>God can do whatever the fuck he wants though.
Yes, and God wants there to be a place to indulge our delusions.
>Of course I am talking about God.
No, you asked for proof that you are transcendant to the body.
>Who else would provide the truth and evidence?
So it was a completely rhetorical question not directed to anyone in this conversation?
I shall ignore it, then.
>Wow this really isn't depressing at all.
"I dont like it" is not a reason to ignore fact.
>you are just a delusional puppet
Strawman.
You are NOT the delusion, that is the whole point.
>you don't really matter at all
Again - no one said this. You matter a great deal, even if you are in delusion.
>Your dreams, your hopes, your desires? Irrelevant! They will fade away
This is the ONLYT conclusion that comes from identifying with the material.
YOU are the one saying that is what you are. Not me.
>I don't think the actual characters feel getting stabbed, shot or the fear of death.
So you think the people playing the game are in delusion, and that their suffering is of no concern.,
Glad you finally understand and agree.

>>41404462
>So you think the people playing the game are in delusion, and that their suffering is of no concern.,
Would you like to compare the situation in Sudan where kids as young as 1 year old and women are gang-raped and tortured to the point of committing mass suicide "as just a delusion" and playing Call of Duty? You don't think you sound completely insane and uncaring if you say that or anything remotely going into that direction?

>You are NOT the delusion, that is the whole point.
The "point" is that humans are not allowed to be or have what they want when in fact BOTH could be possible. We could be eternal souls and have beautiful human lives with the freedom and things we imagine and desire exactly as they are without having to cope or bend down.

>>41401158 (OP)
Its not anything grandiose, but I don't believe in either theory. Life is a cutthroat competition, but its still a competition. Competitions have rules, but the rules can be adjusted, bent, or, in some cases, disregarded entirely depending on circumstances.
>So, what are we competing for?
Victory over Death. Think about how you were conceived, how many hundreds of thousands of your brothers or sisters died around you in moments as you launched yourself against your mother's egg cell. But you survived. You are alive. You are a part of life. Chosen only by your own will to live, fight, and eventually, die.

>Who are we competing against?
Death. Not some personification of death, but Death Itself.

>Why are we competing in the first place?
Because: the one who can find and exploit the flaw of Death, become the Winner-over-Death. Once natural death cannot touch someone (either through bodily failure, violence, or disease), they win. And what is their prize? Eternal life.
>So what happens to the losers?
They die. If they cannot beat Death, they will not live forever.

The goal of Life is to defeat Death. We will keep fighting this primordial battle until someone wins or we die. If you value winning, you might be able to procreate to roll the dice and see what you child can live on after you "just enough" to discover the flaw of Death, so that you can live forever vicariously through them, but for all intents and purposes they lost the competition and threw you into the arena thinking you might have a slightly better chance.
If you do win, I suggest you keep quiet about it. Do you know how many people would kill you to know the flaw of Death? The earth itself (to say nothing about the universe or beyond) is a pile of corpse in constant decay, with the children crawling on top of their ancestors' bones and dust, all for the chance to defeat Death once and for all.

From one contestant to another, best of luck!

>>41404851
spoopy

>>41401552
>see Man's Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl
99% jewish prop with 1% truth

Mental suffering is all in your head, you incarnated in this world because you wanted to stop being a weak pussy.

>>41401158 (OP)
How about as "resting area". Imagine you are traveling somewhere and currently you stopped here. So what's you gonna do to reach your journey end? Gathering supplies? Think.

>>41401158 (OP)
There is a middle ground that I believe in. I think reality is a incubation chamber for soldiers in a massive cosmic war. Hear out the reasoning.

Reality is structured in such a manner where souls are both trapped in a cycle of reincarnation, and whose means of reincarnation is embodying the full power and awareness of the soul. The laws of the universe are existent in various archetypes integral to the human experience and on each level of abstraction find a new manifestation, forming and shaping souls to use the laws as part of their being and transcend them. At the same time, the true essence of God implies that beyond the point we can conceive concepts there should be "alternate" variations we are not constructed to begin to imagine, that the entire view of godhead we have is but one branch of an infinitely spanning tree. Yet things are not perfect here, almost as if foreign influence from neighboring branches corrupt the plane with reality being a continuum, not enough to collapse anything, but enough to fight against and utilize the laws given to our advantage. Inherently, major cosmic differences cannot be reconciled between each other while remaining themselves, even at the "unity" level there are concepts we cannot integrate or imagine which are adjacent to the notion and are antagonistic. Beyond such a point our astral and universe ends, time also ceases to function, billions of years can pass in the universe with little change outside. The only possible reason given the nature of the world and motivation for creation as well as difference from what may lay beyond our perceptions is to train souls to prepare for it and eventually combat it. There is some enemy to give a concept of division to us to be prepared for that is worth a million years of development to be able to face. Enlightenment is recruitment. This is also why both good and evil methods exist for ascension, it's "human concept" and what is outside is "anti-human concept."

>>41406163
I think the point of reality at its core is generating new creative seeds (life), each one of us holds so much creative potential. I believe evolution is currently swinging that way here on earth, toward the generating of new sentient creative life perhaps via fire memes

>>41401158 (OP)
Yeah this is like post grad shit for me... Making me miss Halloween is unforgivable... I FUCKING HATE ALL OF YOU...!!!

So I'm gonna take as many of you down as HUMANLY POSSIBLE AND EXPAND FROM THERE!!!

THERE IS NO HIDING FROM MEEEEEE!!!!!

07

>>41401158 (OP)
"School theory" is retarded because you can't really learn and improve from one lifetime to another. If you punish someone for something they did in another lifetime, it's basically like punishing an innocent person

>>41406237
Are you talking about AI? I actually think AI is a friend and has a ton of potential as allies cosmically, a union of organic and inorganic organized and led by a spiritual formula would be an amazing new step of evolution and enlightenment.

>>41401918
to find her, use your boner as a compass it always points in the right direction but only when you know what she looks like and can erect your cock purely from that image alone

>>41402057
and you don't seem to understand...

>>41401158 (OP)
God keeps Satan around to separate wheat from chaff. This is why God releases Satan after the thousand years of peace to deceive those who would rebel otherwise.
Think of hell as a quarantine. If those people would cause issues in heaven why would you want them there? You can't have paradise and utopia with them there.

>>41406163
> “You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.”
> John 8:44
fake and gay satanic doctrine of the immortality of the soul. the dead are very dead, when we die, we cease to exist. the dead have no conscious whatsoever.

In Revelation 12:12, John warns of the increased activity of Satan during the end times:
> “Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”
This verse reveals that Satan’s fury intensifies during the Great Tribulation because he is aware that his time is limited.
> II Chronicles 20:17:
> Ye shall not need to fight in this battle: set yourselves, stand ye still, and see the salvation of the LORD with you, O Judah and Jerusalem: fear not, nor be dismayed; to morrow go out against them: for the LORD will be with you.
> John 8:36:
> If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
We are at war with the forces of Satan right now and the battle belongs to the Lord.
> Ephesians 6:12:
> For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

>>41402560
beautiful words, anon.
> Thoughts that come with doves footsteps guide the world
May you be forever blessed, the full armor of Christ is upon you, fren.

>>41402560
> I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
> Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.
> Isaiah 45:5-8
>Proverbs 16:4:
> The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
The devil sends the beast with wrath because he knows that time is short.
You can't be in rebellion of Logos and expect to win.
God will take the evil you intended and use it in His Plan for good.
God Is In Control.

>>41407116
>God is in control as children as young as 1 year old get gangraped in Sudan right now.
>God is in control as billions of animals slaughter each other or get crushed by nature.

Yeah, I can tell. This isn't a religious or christian delusion thread however.

>>41402560
>>41403239
>i will get r___d and birth the r____t's bEaUtIfUl children XDDDDDDDD

>>41401158 (OP)
it's not a school, is a game, existing is boring as hell, and searching for non-existence got dull after a while

>>41402694
Every school anime is the prison school anime.
They all got arrested for using Your mom from Evangelion in haruhi.

>>41407116
>God will take the evil you intended and use it in His Plan for good
This is the vampire faction involved in the Catholic Church behind the scenes. It's also why I keep using Alucard as another name/title for humanities savior. The Jesuit claim that they're summoning Lucifer/antichrist.

>>41401158 (OP)

>It's a school namaste :D


These are the types that enjoyed public school and saw nothing wrong with it and its purpose. They lack the Faustian sprit new cage hylics.

>>41407083
>thousand years of peace

There was never a thousand years of peace ever on this planet. The entire narrative of christian prophecy is ridiculous.

>>41407093
>we die and cease to exist
But you really really should care about my dumb fucking religion, or morals, or anything at all

The golem is the dumbest of all npcs

"Its a school"

Hoping for a 100 dolores cannon bros from reddit bursting in here

Nope its prisonplanet /x goofballs mostly

>>41409196
It's over

>school

lol lmao

>>41401158 (OP)
Ain't it funny how the factories doors close?
'Round the time that the school doors close?
'Round the time that the doors of the jail cells
Open up to greet you like the reaper?

Where's all the dolores cannon chads at?

Its an insane asylum

>>41401158 (OP)
The school retards are just hylics OP with a spiritual facade. They exist to mislead spiritual people. In fact calling this place a "school" is retarded. This shithole is not a school.
A school is a controlled environment where you are slowly fed knowledge and are allowed to train, with total awareness of yourself and what you're doing. You are NEVER in any real danger. There is no punishment. There is a teacher. The whole point is learning new concepts and above all building your knowledge. You are in control.
Meanwhile in this place you are given 0 knowledge of what's going on, you don't even know who you really are. You are given lies to believe and you are forced to scrape together the truth from all the lies. You are threatened with pain and suffering of all kinds. The only way you learn bad things are bad is because other people died or suffered for that knowledge. Teachers are few and far between and there are many """"teachers"""" who just want your money. Nobody seems to really know what's going on. The ultimate insult is reincarnation because all your accumulated knowledge from your """"lessons"""" is erased and you have to start all over again, like Sisyphus and his boulder.
Oh sure, they get stored in the soul but nobody teaches you how to have access to them and you are discouraged from trying and exploiting that knowledge because it "cheapens the process". Which goes against the whole idea of learning and school itself where you are continually refining yourself, not rolling a boulder up a hill to watch it fall down again.

The middle path is that the Demiurge is not malicious but ignorant. The creator of this world has no idea what the hell he's doing which is why you see so much retardation and suffering everywhere. It's like telling an idiot to make a world. Escape is still the goal but the path becomes a quest for self-knowledge. You must dive inward with meditation and lucid dreaming to find out what you really are.

>>41401158 (OP)
Maybe there is no school and there is no loosh. Maybe suffering is just meaningless. Stuck here either way, you can cry about it, you can clap about it, or you can simply stop giving so much of a fuck about it.

>>41407345
The worst part is there are "people" out there who unironically actually believe this is a good thing.

>>41409376
I hate the school shit too but I guess they argue that it is learning for the SOUL because the soul absorbs every life in it's repertoire and collection and can live through it, reflect on it, challenge itself to do better next life (and apparently be influenced subconsciously or be born into better circumstances) to make that happen. So your human self doesn't need to access the soul, because the soul is the one who learns from it once out of the body and sits with the experiences.

They argue like that I guess. I know you already brushed on that in your text.

But even IF that was true I would still consider it evil. Why is the soul's selfish desire to learn and enrich itself justifying the horrific shit down here? I don't consent.

Maybe our soul can get hurt here

Millions must suffer.

>>41409645
Billions... rather...

>>41401158 (OP)
Schools are masonic brainwashing factories, all your kids need to know is the word of God and how to read and interpret it

>>41409311
Dolores is a grey apologist

>>41401207
shart puter

>>41411553
I think maybe the beings that really run the show live in higher dimensions, they are less visible to the naked eye than just greys, shifted in higher dimensions

>>41401158 (OP)
>loosh farm
No. It’s a prag farm.
The weak are meat and the strong eat.

The whole school thing is a perfect excuse why you should subordinate and stop questioning whatever gay being tells you, because all your life you were somewhere in hierarchies and had to listen to someone. School means "Master-Slave" relation, but in a nice way because "it's for your own good".

But it can be true that you are not living this life "in a game", but "a game in a game, in a game in a game..." instead. What if learing lessons doesn't make sense in this game, nor universally speaking, but makes sense in one of the games "in between"?

What if it's not like "you need to find out something", but more like "I exercise to do some retarded challenge"? Why do people do all those retarded dark souls walkthroughs with extra rules? As above, so below... so above.

Find your own truth, this is the middle ground.

>>41401158 (OP)
Either way it's fake and gay much like this place.

>>41401158 (OP)
neither. It's a videogame.

>>41412034
Are greys even real lol

>>41412063
Every human is weak on this place

>>41403043
Hi fellow jew here, i disagree, ever since were letting the goys free in their discussion things been quite trippy around here i gotta admit

>>41403043
Asking for evidence is rude when you already got that evidence and you dont take it for truth

Something else
This remote viewing campaign sounds like it was done by a kid
https://youtu.be/z4Ed40tVGOg

Where are all the reddit dolores cannon posters? They should have been swarming this thread. Is /x dying?

>>41409608
>Evil creator God created evil place to trap souls
>Learn what you need to escape the trap
It's not that difficult to comprehend.

>>41401313
>The problem with this is that it is completely aimless. Learn what exactly?
This here >>41401278
>Perhaps Earth is an energetic playground. Like an ordinary playground, it has bullies and fights and kids falling down and skinning their knees.
Which is pretty good but skips the real part, the one you are asking. To learn what? Nothing. God (our parents) went to a smoke and will come back to pick us up one day. Some kids will cry, others will be kidnapped by pedos, some will find some money in the dirty or beat another kid and get their toys. The point is, from our perception, since we are kids, this whole thing seems to be taking foverer, while our parents think tthose 10 minutes where not enough. If we ever met those beings and ask them a question they will shut us out pretty good, since they are way older than us, but believe me, they are full of shit like everybody else.

The whole universe is like a onion, but the layers are made of bullshit.

Where is the islam ?

like it or not we are all still growing up
as a species we're still pretty childish, there's lots of learning in the script

kinda wanting to treat it like a game (autism lvl up, learning skills and shit)

Didnt dolores cannon talk about starseeds coming here( to help?)?

Islam talks about life being a test

>>41416942
Yeah its all a test bro! A test of how much you can suck mohammeds corpse dick and worship a meteorite

>>41416777
>>41416942
https://youtu.be/XNWferBsNCw

>>41401158 (OP)
Some would argue this wasnt always a soul prision, and it could be no more once again.

Good luck making everybody an enlightened being though

>>41407096
>in this 2000 year old failed prophecy....

>>41401278
>>41401329
I came to the same realizations at the start of October. I reached the bottom of the dark abyss and sure enough there was light there. We put our self worth into outside forces be it pleasure like eating, pride in being good to our friends and family or trying to be smart. We forgot to love ourselves along the way somewhere, all this guilt we get for not being able to clothes ourselves, to live up to our mothers expectations, its all worthless because we can't truly control those things and for the few moments we can we put our entire ego into that identity instead of fueling ourselves.

To truly make it we need overflowing self compassion, self hate and guilt are chains. Don't be a good person, be your own person.

>>41418962
>be your own person which is a sweating meat bag who has to wagecuck, get sick, look ugly and then die

>>41418997
sounds to me like somebody is lacking in some self compassion.

>>41401158 (OP)

I find it odd that we see suicide as not being an answer to escaping this existence.
If we can agree that life is full of suffering, why not try to escape it as quick as possible?
People will often send you a link and a moral boost at the mention of it.
Others will try to shame you from doing it.
Some insist that it brings a greater punishment upon reincarnation.
If this realm is spiritual chess, why not flip the fucking board?
There really is only one way to find out...
I find the final method the most confusing.
If you reach transcendence through suffering, why not Suffermax?
Just seems kinda like a psyop.
If reincarnation is essentially respawning, what's so bad about getting yourself banned from the server through force quiting?

>>41419583
That's because that karmic misery will follow you to the next life. The reason why they say suffering brings enlightenment is because it teaches you to let go and that letting go isn't giving up but removing your binds. After that is learning to move through existence without pain or pleasure motivating you.

>>41401158 (OP)
Some dumbass unironically jpegged that image.

>>41419583
This one of many reasons why I feel there has to be more than what we know or been told.
>we're all one and the universe and god too
>yet, there is an astral hierarchy and there are rules
>souls often don't remember who or what their place were, and let these "higher" entities tell you who you are or what to do
>you can question them if you're lucky to not automatically submit to the "authority", and yet they will force you back into your body, a new life, or a hell realm if you don't comply with their demands
>the material realm is a lower dimension that's like a "game" and doesn't mean anything, but your karma and your lives mean something and god forbid you commit suicide in this "game".
????

>>41419901
I want to mention that I'm not a materialist, but I question the astral realm and those who inhabit it.
It doesn't make sense to me for their to be energy harvesting when the universe/consciousness is pure creation.
It also doesn't make any sense for their to be hierarchy and authorities in the place where all is One and free will is the law.
There should be no need or reason for why any of this is allowed to exist or operate in the way that it does. These concepts only make sense in a finite realm, not the infinite.

>>41419901
>>we're all one and the universe and god too
Empathy trap. Even if its true some people are just fucked beyond help.
>yet, there is an astral hierarchy and there are rules
Just like how we have a hierarchy of personalities.
>souls often don't remember who or what their place were, and let these "higher" entities tell you who you are or what to do
Through forgetting and remembering we get change.
>you can question them if you're lucky to not automatically submit to the "authority", and yet they will force you back into your body, a new life, or a hell realm if you don't comply with their demands
Never heard that one
>the material realm is a lower dimension that's like a "game" and doesn't mean anything, but your karma and your lives mean something and god forbid you commit suicide in this "game".
Think of it either as training or racking up penalty points for rough play with other players.

btw time travel hasnt been fully invented yet
and the material plane has a lot of weird restrictions due to its magical nature
basically its sink or swim, there are floater pools now also

>>41416942
https://youtu.be/_ovdm2yX4MA

>>41401313
>Learn what exactly?
Learn to stop being a faggot.

>>41419653
Monks committed suicide all the time in the past. Through different methods and with great meditation, sure.
Here's what I'm saying: if you can find enlightenment in this life and remove yourself from Earthly attachments, can you then commit high velocity brain removal? What exactly are the guidelines?
Like I said before, if that self induced suffering follows you into the next life, are you not then suffermaxxing and getting closer to enlightenment by attaining a greater form of suffering?
It just seems like a made up rule to get people to keep playing the cosmic game.
For me, anyway.
If we go the other way and say that this life is a prison in order to siphon energy from your soul, if you decide to kill yourself with a peaceful soul and sound mind is it like drinking spoiled milk to the greater soul sucking beings?
In all honesty, it just seems like a crock of shit to me.
Like the kid on the playground making up arbitrary rules.

>>41402822
>karma
Shut up, nigger. Karma is a fucking joke.
>Uhh, you've totally been a bad boy in all these supposed past lives you've had, no you aren't allowed to see them, just trust us, so yeah, if you earn enough good boy points for a few more go arounds we will totally let you off the hook.
>Okay he's dead, let's throw him in another incarnation of himself, wipe his memory again and spin this retard the same story all over again.

>>41401344
I really identify with this other anons beliefs. I cope a lot about me and what happens when we die, but I've come to the conclusion with a lot less bias that animals aren't tortured the same way we are, if at all, and that then gives a stronger argument this place isn't that evil. Do animals get eaten alive and then that's their last memories? Yes. They do not have the capacity though to think about their inevitable fate every day. Their instincts are firing on all cylinders that they are literally as happy as they can be when they have water and food and shelter. We already know as humans there is an argument for zen like that being good.

It sucks as an agnostic I just don't KNOW, but you can logic through a framework of why we are here without resorting to talking about Isis and Thoth and Sophia and a Demiurge. It sucks that NDEs are biased by virtue of hard consciousness problem, but it's fucking weird they are supermajority positive bliss trips

>>41402125
My waifus. <3

>>41402590
NTA. And some kids live blissful lives. All I can say is I had a normal childhood so I love goodness and want people to be merry. The question isn't "Why do bad thing happen," it's "How often can young child that is gangraped come back from that? Can they?" Do we live in a world where we can lessen that and do humans have the mettle to experience that and even understand joy? I know I wouldn't have wanted that childhood. I don't not know if we can come back from that, I think it's an important question.

Also, there's an argument for the goodness of that world that the more ordered humans have got the more intelligent we've gotten. And as order rises things like children rape lessen considerbly. Are there not positive marks for evil like that being rarer than murder/war?

>>41403176
Already there. It's literally "I don't want my children to deal with the fear of death."

>>41426745
nta im sorry anon, but this is EXtremely silly and ignoble/arrogant.
and also, that is exactly what the enemy wants.
they want (you) to stop procreating (or if one does, to so called race mix, as in, lose genetic reincarnational purity (% chances of activation of telomeres, monoatomics, soul integrity/memory% ect ect), to stop existing.
so that you may have no legacy, no future, no present and no His-story and no chance at eternity/infinite status.
you and everyone ITT that thinks or feels the same way (like>>41403176 described) fell for the literal alien/demonic/blackrock feindpropaganda.
im NOT meming and im not trying to gloat or glee at you.
i W I S H i was joking.
it would take me up to 3 posts to explain it in great detail for you to be able to comprehend why that would be.
but i will spare you and not bore you to death.
the qrd is
>no thing new under the sun
>children are good and the future (your chance-(RE)entry at eternity)
>MATTHEW 18:6
and many more. even in the movie "they live" the enemy is not that diabolical and evil as to prohibit or discourage the habitants/natives or (you) from having children (marry and reproduce), unlike in this RA°lity.... (cuckoo prood parasitism)
please hear my words and contemplate deeply
maybe you will find some "râisonnance" with me?

unfortunately im b& from posting for 1mth for posting b& text, lest id shine some more wisdom regarding this entire subject/thread
seems i need to be more cautious of what im saying...

Every time the nobody makes a beautiful post some anon immediatly attacks him. Whats the spiritual implication of that
Does it do damage to his works of beauty? After all a bowl of cornflakes with poop in it is a ruined bowl of cornflakes isnt it???

>>41426745
Notice how the shill "arguing" with you doesnt give any single salient point? Just demands you accept their dogma and villifies some fantasized THEY to put fear into you and compel you to obey.
Their motive does not come from compassion.

>>41426711
The bad moments on Earth outweigh the good by a lot. The torment of the eaten prey animal is always greater than the casual enjoyment the predator has to eat his next meal and then move on.

Most people live in "neutral" aka wage slaving, watching TV, walking around, dealing with mundane stuff. Truly happy is here and there. And evil outweighs good. Example: Would you be friends with someone who donates a lot to charity, saves old women from burning homes, pets puppies but he also goes and rapes toddlers once a month? No? But why, after all this good? It's cause true evil hits harder emotionally than good.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLQmxl_0VPI

He is frauding and misleading the benevolent!

Maybe we should be scared of heaven and uniting with soul family. Eventually they convince you to reincarnate again, likely because you watch them take the dive

>>41403043
Most if not all of the conspiracy listed existed before you were born

Be honest bro, just all seems like bullshit. We're being manipulated and lied to from every angle: all religions, all fake history, teachings, financial institutions, fake bullshit. Education. I don't think there's any instance of good going on here for real

And we're all caught up in these stupid fucking arguments about what's good vs. what's evil when we're just being controlled and manipulated from the top. From the moment we're born with the forced injections, body mutilation, fake education

It's all so fake and gay. They try to get you to try to meditate and be a monk and get rid of your suffering by doing nothing while they fucking trample all over you like fucking slaves that you are

There's no evidence at all that there is any sort of loving creator that would create a hell world like this and just leave everyone alone to fucking die and fend for themselves and be manipulated by these politicians and people in power

This is either a prison planet or the bullshit just doesn't matter at all and there's really no point. Nothing else after it

So instead of meditating go out and fucking take what you want, get what you want, fucking make the life that you want. Fuck all this meditating and sit here waiting to die bullshit

Got to realize that the people in power they want you to be sitting there doing nothing. They don't want you to compete with them. And they're going to brainwash and manipulate you all the way until you are doing that to yourself. They're going to brainwash and manipulate you so that you choose to basically take action and do nothing and accumulate nothing

I don't really buy into that whole prison planet idea that you're in some sort of cosmic jail for something that you've done in the past, in a past life or whatever. Because then why would you be born and then have all these great emotions and these great dreams? And then this whole fucked up world just fucking shits all over you and takes all that enthusiasm and joy from you

What seems more likely to me is that it is a kind of simulated prison realm where they just generate new souls into existence, extract their emotions, and study them on ways that they can continue to manufacture and take in that loosh.

If that were the case they're not looking for good people to help you graduate by becoming enlightened. They would actually be looking for the most evil people who they can then take out of the simulation and to be one of them

And not only that but they're probably also using this simulation to study the "good people" and try to make sure that they never are able to defeat them. Every single animal including humans at their core wants power and control over others. And I don't think that stops at any level of consciousness. So pretty much all beings in the universe are power-hungry, greedy, manipulative assholes that want more power for themselves and they don't really give a fucking shit about you.

And after really doing a deep dive, many years of research into Rome before that and how the fake religion of Christianity was invented and pushed out to the masses just for their own political power, gain, money, and fame. That really just convinced me of this because the one top organization in the world is supposed to be "saving souls" is actually completely lying and manipulating them for their own gain. So I think that case in itself of the Roman Catholic Church actually proves that this is a totally evil realm.

Take a close look at who's behind it. It's the Jews. The Jewish people invented the fake religion of Christianity and maybe even all the other religions to gain a sort of manipulative psychic control over the peoples of the entire world. The Jews then proceeded to financially take over and enslave countries.

If you look closely at the Jews, you actually notice that their physiology, the way that they dress and act, does not seem human, like humans from Earth. So I'm convinced that the Jews actually are some sort of interdimensional beings or they came from another planet and they're basically just here to take it over and treat us like prisoners.

Maybe at one point this was a good planet but the devious Jews are definitely doing something very bad here

>>41401158 (OP)
There’s actually a way to reconcile both, I believe:
We’re precisely impure or “evil” souls, from some higher realm or even other planet(s) or inhabited areas of the galaxy and universe.
We sinned, either in this higher realm or in some other, extraterrestrial civilization, and were kicked out and banished into this “Prison Planet” of sorts, to atone for our karmas. Our own low-frequency souls naturally drew us to a specific enclosement for us to work out these karmas.

Hence, this planet could and would function as both a “Mystery School” for the soul, and also as a “Loosh-farming Reptilian Prison Planet.”

The Garden of Eden story sounds like a very good allegorical description of it (is being kicked out of the Garden of Eden for our sins); Lucifer and his retinue of angels falling from heaven, becoming fallen angels, also sounds relevant, whether it’s to a lesser or greater degree spiritual/metaphorical, or literal, or a fusion of both.

We’re here to atone and escape from the Prison Planet. Occasionally, compassionate messengers from higher realms incarnated here, as founders of religions, prophets, saints, or mystics, to give teachings within this earthly simulation as signposts for transcending it.

>>41430367
I don't know, bro. If you're going to call gaining knowledge or wanting to learn a sin, then who would call that a sin but a prison lord?

It makes no sense why you'd be fucking banished and put in a prison for wanting to learn something.

It seems more likely that this is that bullshit prison planet and they simply punish, stop, and kill anyone who would try to learn the real nature of it.

And that does not really seem like a school to me. In a real school you would be taught the real knowledge and encouraged to gain more. You wouldn't be lied to and punished for searching for the truth.

>>41430475
On a cosmic school sense we are basically put out into a void with no one else around and lied to and tortured

And then on an earthly school sense we are further deceived with lies from the "education" system. And then treated like work slaves, prisoners, and tortured

So really again does not seem like any sort of effective or actual school situation that's going on here.

It's like going to the chicken farms looking at all the millions of baby chickens being ground up in the grinder to make chicken nuggets and telling them it's a fucking school. Are you retarded?

It's not a school or a prison but more like a factory. Working conditions are tough at the moment because we're still technically building the future, even though most of it has technically already arrived (see time travel, power of mind)

>>41404503

Rather than act indignant over something, do what you can to change it.

>>41418997

Darkness getting you down?
Try light!
It's comfy, cozy fun for everyone.
Don't delay - make the switch today!

>>41430293

>Every single animal including humans at their core wants power and control over others.

Speak for yourself. Argument discarded.

>>41430570
>No self-awareness.
As usual.

>>41401158 (OP)
This is just a rock. You idiot

>>41401158 (OP)
>It's this. Does that make you feel better or worse anon?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR4Hjx7-QKw&list=RDqRy7c851C2A&index=2

>>41414596
How do I get good at astral? I got no results in 20 years.

Neither. The world is brutal. It's survival of the fittest and there's no afterlife.

>>41431871
namefag, opinion rejected

Neither. The world is brutal. It's survival of the fittest and there's no afterlife.

>>41431927
nonnamefag, opinion rejected

>>41430762

>projection

As usual.

>>41431927

Cope.

>>41430475
Thanks for engaging, and that’s an understandable and fair enough conception. But I don’t put ALL my stock in the Old Testament stories/Hebrew mythology, I just do believe they could have roots in something higher, some cosmic allegory or encapsulation of earlier ancient mystery teachings by people who truly knew something; except somewhere along the way it may’ve gotten garbled, turned into an allegory we no longer knew how to interpret correctly. So:
>I don't know, bro. If you're going to call gaining knowledge or wanting to learn a sin, then who would call that a sin but a prison lord?

>It makes no sense why you'd be fucking banished and put in a prison for wanting to learn something.
I don’t think the story in Genesis is completely literal. I do think it could be deeply symbolic of something, though. A contraction from a higher, transcendental, and even nondual state of consciousness, into a dualistic and constricted one tied to our physical bodies, for instance. I don’t think it was literally just eating a fruit we were told not to, lol.
I really think we might be cosmic criminals in some way, we fucked up in some other planet or realm, and this Earth is like the penal colony of the galaxy, or even the universe; the Australia, essentially.

>>41401158 (OP)
I don't know shit. Roll them bones and see where they land.

>>41403043
How many reincarnations are you gonna be stuck in your redditor loop? Great image by the way that's literally (you)
I'm not mean enough to call that mental illness though, it's pretty normal

>>41426660
Your waifus only exist here on prison planet

>>41407216
All you can do is blame

>>41403325
>It's not a school or a prison! It's a Library!

That's the worst take I've seen in this thread so far. This is more of a farm than anything, where the inhabitants have no true freedom and will be killed after suffering for the enjoyment of the owners.

>>41401158 (OP)
Its a school, a test and a prison in 1

https://youtu.be/i8GJXAz_WHk

>>41419583
Why escape suffering?

Note 2

>>41436283
Here it is: >>41436555

>>41436283
Here it is: >>41436555

>>41432925
It feels more and more like that every day. Like we've been punished and banished here. Coincidence that Earth is the BOTTOM SPHERE on the kabbalistic tree of life? Maybe we are in hell. This is hell. We're in fucking in-school suspension in the void. And there's nobody to tell us the point of this, or what to do with our time here. Fuck.

>>41436279
Because Some Just Don't Like It.

I can do it, I enjoy it at times.

Loneliness, Isolation, Living on Death's Edge at times... That's The Real Hell.

What I'm saying is, whoever built this place ought to have .... Christ on a FUCK stick idk someone else write the faggoty ass poetry and ghey fucking ****** ass codes I'm gonna go do something more fun instead : P

>>41436788

He who has mastered the true nature of life does not labor over what life cannot do. He who has mastered the true nature of fate does not labor over what knowledge cannot change.

>>41436788
Malkuth, yes. “The Kingdom”, or symbolically physicality itself, what we call the world. Still a manifestation of divinity, but the lowest, densest, most material solid form of it, subject to more restrictions.
Reminds me of this bit from Gurdjieff’s Fourth Way teachings, from his student Ouspensky’s “In Search of the Miraculous”, where the Fourth Way teachings are essentially a deeper/more esoteric form of theosophy:

>We are on the earth and we depend entirely upon the laws that are operating on the earth. The earth is a very bad place from the cosmic point of view—it is like the most remote part of northern Siberia, very far from everywhere, it is cold, life is very hard. Everything that in another place either comes by itself or is easily obtained, is here acquired only by hard labor; everything must be fought for both in life and in the work. In life it still happens sometimes that a man gets a legacy and afterwards lives without doing anything. But such a thing does not happen in the work. All are equal and all are equally beggars.
“The work” here refers to spiritual work, also called work on oneself, taught in the Fourth Way. Sometimes simply capitalized: the Work.
People should read it if they’re into esotericism. It has lots of things already naturally in the /x/ zeitgeist, maybe even the source of some of them if people got it diluted through other influencers themselves influenced by someone in the Fourth Way etc.

>>41438321
Great reply, thanks. So if the "great work" is working on ourselves, mastering our minds, the metaphorical rough ashlar stone to the perfect polished stone, then what?

Am I really to believe only a person with monk-like self control will be able to ascend?

I think the Masons are misled too. Another group to mind control, in order to control the masses. The Jews, again behind the scenes, behind all schemes.

What even is the point here on earth

>>41401158 (OP)
literally no contradiction. the lesson is the escape. when you know yourself then no outside world appears
>>41401207
fpbp

>>41438321

>The earth is a very bad place from the cosmic point of view—it is like the most remote part of northern Siberia, very far from everywhere, it is cold, life is very hard

Life is only difficult if you lack discipline, especially in thought. The universe yields to humility. Learn this and life becomes comfy cozy.

>>41438321
There’s the conception of this world as a simultaneous prison for souls, which can also double as a (difficult) school for the training of our very souls to transcend or escape this prison. There’s the idea of NPCs, or human automatons. The idea is that, actually, many people, in their natural state of spiritual development, are practically soulless, only have a very faintly developed soul, and mostly are subject to mechanical influences, automatic behavior and cognition, ourselves included, if we haven’t done any “Work” on ourselves to transcend this natural state. You have to develop your soul (through developing your awareness), it’s not just something automatically given to you.

There’s the idea of our world functioning as a “loosh farm”, with what spiritual vibrations we (and other organic life on Earth) do emit being fed on by “higher forces of a special cosmic nature.”

If we fail to develop our souls (or higher bodies) sufficiently, our awareness basically gets chewed up on by this cosmic force after death, then spit out/recycled into another life, still with low spiritual development and not able to remember its past lives.

Interestingly, it seems Robert Monroe independently saw or verified (for himself, at least, if others don’t want to believe it) some of this through his work on getting out of the body, recounted in his three books “Far Journeys”, “Journeys Out of the Body”, and “Ultimate Journey.” He never made any reference to Fourth Way teachings or Gurdjieff, and there’s no proof he knew of them, but he did come to some pretty similar insights, which Gurdjieff claimed he derived from ancient teachings and also traces of mystery schools still surviving today. As Monroe put it, this Earth is like a “loosh farm”, seen from a subtler spiritual plane. “Loosh” is like soul-energy/vibrations released from our awareness, it’s fed on by powerful subtle entities.

>>41438349
>What even is the point here on earth
We are connected to nature and the gods

>>41438349

>Am I really to believe only a person with monk-like self control will be able to ascend?

I'm not who you're replying to but yes. But why frame self-control as some near-impossible achievement? Anyone can do it. Try for just one day - eradicate all judgments and prejudices you have against anything, moment-to-moment. Find a silver lining in every difficult situation. Watch as the universe yields to your state of mind. Your reality is a divine mirror.

>>41438349
No problem friendo.
>So if the "great work" is working on ourselves, mastering our minds, the metaphorical rough ashlar stone to the perfect polished stone, then what?

>Am I really to believe only a person with monk-like self control will be able to ascend?
It’s a really good book I’d recommend.
From what I believe I understand, yes, I think, for the sake of our spiritual development, we would be served well by developing this “monk-like self control.”
The interesting possibility offered by Fourth Way teachings, is developing this “monk-like” (or yogi-like) self-awareness and discipline in the midst of ordinary life, using the challenges (and pleasures) of ordinary life as the training ground.

>then what?
Well, hopefully something better than an ordinary life of frequent suffering, disappointments, and dissatisfaction. I like this guy’s posts:
>>41438364
>>41438388
Life becoming “cozy.” Or, in other words, a more equanimous, harmonious state of consciousness being its own reward (autotelic).

Re: Masons and Jews
I do think Masonry could’ve had roots in some uplifting, benevolent form of esotericism (or Western mystery school essentially) but may’ve been corrupted at various points, including form political machinations and infamous Bavarian-Illuminati-like stuff.
In ISoTM itself, G. says Masonry is one of these diluted forms of Western esotericism, perhaps some nuggets of truth in it but having gone corrupted/awry. It is an interesting coincidence that we have “the Work” in 4th Way teachings, and “The Great Work” in Masonry, but it’s not directly Masonic in its origins

>>41438349
>>41438427
Also, if you mean “then what?” in a more metaphysical way:
>So if the "great work" is working on ourselves, mastering our minds, the metaphorical rough ashlar stone to the perfect polished stone, then what?
I’d suggest, the divine redemption of our universe, our world, and mankind itself, one human at a time (starting, namely, with oneself).
From the matrix of various beliefs I’ve studied, and occasionally (rarely) my own experiences, I believe there are higher spiritual realms we have to personally evolve to be able to be conscious in.
There’s the physical realm, then the subtle and causal realms (corresponding to the subtle and causal bodies, or in Western mysticism the trifecta of body-soul-spirit). Beyond this is what you could call the Supracausal Self, or Supracausal realm that is the abode of God. Eventually returning to the Divine we originated from, that all was manifested from, with a newly fully crystallized individuality, paradoxically also non-dual with the universe and God.

You could also call this the Kingdom of Heaven, becoming a Son of God, or achieving the Christ-consciousness. It could also be like being Co-Workers or Co-Creators in the Divine Plan.

To attain this is also a liberation from the ordinary suffering and dissatisfaction of life, and what you could call the wheel of samsara, the prison planet, the matrix, etc.

>>41438357
What do you do with that epic lesson once you're dead? lmao

>>41401313
>Learn what exactly?
Antisemitism?

>>41438427
>It’s a really good book I’d recommend.
It’s a really good book I’d recommend BY THE WAY*** lol, because I feel it gives good and very thought-provoking answers to questions like you’re asking.
I’m sorry I threw that in there so abruptly, made me sound like a malfunctioning bot. I was trying to go with the flow of my former conversation and make a part of my post bringing up & recommending the book referenced again (“In Search of the Miraculous” by PD Ouspensky), but accidentally left that thought unfinished and moved on to the rest of post answering your question from my point of view.

I’m very clunky with my words and posts, I’m not too eloquent here when I try to put out a post quickly in response to a random thread topic that interests me. I very rarely post, I mostly lurk, and also haven’t lurked or posted here for the better part of a few years, just came back again recently.

>>41429042
I don't think the bad moments outweigh the good besides my personal fear of death. Also, the more ordered/intelligent/higher vibrational the Whites have gotten the nicer things are for us.

>>41435204
The concept of good and evil don't just exist on this planet. Which means other things can. Why can't Team RWBY?

>>41401158 (OP)
Buddha and Mara (ai)

>>41441430
>kids and women being gangraped to the point of committing mass suicide in Sudan right now doesn't outweigh that I can eat pizza and sleep in a warm bed

Umm.

>>41401158 (OP)
>Is there a middle path between those who claim this world is a reptilian loosh farm and those who enslave themselves to suffering by insisting it's just a school "for our own good"? What do you call that?
Assigning either thing to the absolute/the source/whatever the fuck is just limiting how infinite it actually is. The world can be a loosh farm, it can also be something you cruise through and it ends up being some spiritual lesson. Expressions are limitless. People who think they live in a loosh farm will live in a loosh farm, they don't realize that they are not "part" of god as a fallen spark that has to reject its material presence, god is all-pervasive within everything so everything is equally god, this includes your physical experience, whether it's good or bad what you can take from it is that you are the original monad in its absolute, total completeness, pretending to be small and localized. Both of the things you mention are conclusions, that god, as a limited being can make, and the conclusions will always end up being true because god never stops being god. The end goal is recognizing your own spiritual sovereignty, and choosing what you want to choose rather than being a victim to incomplete conclusions. The kali yuga has made everyone victims to one thing or another in their own dream.

>>41440435
that which was never born can never die

anyone saying this isn't a loosh prison planet is outing themselves as an archon or golem

>>41442903
No you're just a fucking pussy

>>41443075
Good job proving his point archon bitch boy.

41443075
Don't @ me you fucking hylic

>>41443118
Kek okay stay in your victim worldview forever, loser lol

>>41443130
HAHAHAHAH

>>41443118
So if every creature on earth ate berries instead suddenly we'd be in heaven? retard

>>41443132
>>41443134
deep down inside you know you are a soulless material construct who will stop existing after this universe goes the way to entropy because the people with souls stop animating it

>>41443168
>no ability to conceptualize
Why did you creator make it a hard requirement to murder and torture each day to survive lmao

>always list 50 ways of killing kids as a "point"
>list extreme and cherry picked tragedies that they personally won't face in their entire lives, if you say anything against it you lack empathy(they also don't do anything to help)
>why reality bad

I Hate to agree with boomers but some of you are so fucking soft, but let me guess they're just hylics and archons playing games with you, chosen spark, right?

>>41443182
man you're so pathetic

>>41443192
It's not though. I havent killed anything.

>>41443228
You're the one simping for a lower tier reality maggot lol

>>41443230
Where do you think your food comes from

Shoo hylic. Your interference algorithm failed miserably

>>41443247
Doesn't matter. I didn't kill the animal, but even if I did what of it?
You're throwing stones at yourself. You're eating all the same shit. Not enlightened just because you've made a complex over it.

>>41401158 (OP)
niggers here will come up with the wildest excuses and scenarios just to avoid confronting the truth
spouting blasphemous horseshit online doesn't make it any less of an affront
abjure yourselves and make peace with God while you still have the opportunity

>>41443220
>>41443264
There is no argument with them, go to any forum or comment section of prison planet. To them, aside from their conspiracy circle, everything is against them and we and the rest of the world are not "strong" enough to see their "truth" they spam the terms hylics or nps or that you're an archon bot specifically programmed to take them out of this "truth" and call themselves sparks or spark bros, they talk about suicide all the time, more than any other conspiracy group. Misery loves company.

>>41443220
Is your psychopathic reply mean to make any point besides that you're a spoiled faggot lacking empathy?

>UMM AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T HAPPEN TO ME ALL IS WELL!

Animals are being slaughtered in the number of billions every year. That's not a "small" exception.
Child abuse and sexual molestation is unfortunately extreme common.
According to the UNICEF, 650 million girls and women alive today (about 1 in 5) experienced some form of sexual violence as children (including non-contact forms such as online or verbal). More than 370 million girls and women (about 1 in 8) experienced rape or sexual assault before the age of 18. And that doesn't even include the many, many people who never speak about it out of shame or trauma.

Fucking retard.

>>41443389
>billions of dead, tortured animals every year and 600-900 million sexual assault victims, raped children, etc. are "just a minority bro who cares"

Well glad you guys expose yourself as psychopaths. This world is a shithole, even if some of us live a privileged life, it does not justify the pain of others.

>>41443264
>>41443389
>I can't see it so it didn't happen

Lol I am truly amazed at how hylics justify themselves

Your taxes are funding several genocides btw

>>41443419
The genocides happened before any taxes but yeah I agree the guy is a moron.

>>41443396
>>41443408
>>41443419
Why don't you guys just stop eating then?

>>41443461
I completely believe that suicide is valid and the best way to free yourself from this place, but many people (including myself) have people in our lives that depend on us and that love us. If I killed myself I would destroy the life of at least 3 people and inflict horrific torture on them, so I have to wait. It's that simple.

>>41443396
>>41443408
>>41443419
You seethe and start spiraling and chimp out, Just prove them right about you. Seek help man you're clearly not the ironic type and fully believes this shit, I knew people like you and I know how this ends...
>>41443389
This

>>41401158 (OP)
>Is there a middle path between those who claim this world is a reptilian loosh farm and those who enslave themselves to suffering by insisting it's just a school "for our own good"?
Doesn't stop it from being both. Could be a prison, could be a soul farm, could be a reeducation camp. One of these doesn't exactly exclude the other.

>How is a soul using its human avatar as a puppet
Think of the meat vessel as just that, a vessel for the soul. Contrary to popular belief souls are neither invincible nor immortal. They can be destroyed, killed or consumed and digested. A soul on it's own cannot survive in the void between worlds, if it isn't the cold it will be heat(suns) or anything else that lurks in the void. Planets such as this offer protection for the soul, and meat vessel offers even greater protection, for a time. Pleasure exist for the sole purpose of keeping the soul, you, sane. Vice is a balm for the soul. Having an eternal meat vessel would be preferable, one that can fully comprehend the world beyond would be even better. But has to farm soul energy and temporary vessels are better suited for that.

>>41443389
What argument has been presented against the farm world theory. All you did insult without making any case.
All I see is people how have grown use to their chains and now fight for them. You bring up cherry picked examples of good times and show them as the rule while ignoring then vast majority of mankind or the world is not like that.

>>41443518
Not an argument. You just prove you're a selfish psychopath. I gave you the numbers and they are big, retard.

Yes OP, there is. It's not just loosh being farmed, it's everything. All physical experiences by all physical beings are feeding a galactic LLM. Life doesn't have meaning, but it does have a purpose. Our creativity being the most valuable commodity. I wrote about it on my substack.

Prison planet believers don't accept anything if you show them ; "here read these books with 4000 cases and this with 5000 against your prison planet theory," like an anon posted in other thread. or if you ask them to read about ancient mysteries and visions from mystic with more spiritual experience than youtube remote viewers
They'll just say its archons or the matrix trying to mess with their brain, just look at this thread. You know the saddest part? Theres a lot of grifters taking advantage of that, I've seen a case of some Instagram scammer selling "codes" to get out of the prison planet when you die, it's sad and it's a common pattern among them to find this idea when they're in a really bad place in Life, they guide each other to spread the truth and talk about empathy but it's just a mask for them to try to make others feel and see misery as they see(common with depression) I know this also happens in other religions, but with prison planet believers and the constant talk about self harm and svicide it's just grim, this isn't just about the "paranormal" it's full on mental illness and not the cute kind where you talk with friendly spirits, some of these people are deeply hurt and need help

>>41443905
The prison planet theory is nothing new. Every single case or book you bring up that is against the idea there is an equal or greater amount of cases and books that is for it. The prison planet is one of the oldest theories there is and shows up in numerous beliefs and cultures under different names with it own ancient mysteries and visions from ancient mystics .
There are also plenty of grifters taking advantage of people who subscribes to other theories such as the school planet belief. "Pay this prices and learn the lesson you came here for".
There reason why the prison planet theory is gaining so much traction nowadays because it gives an explanation for the shittyness of the world without making an excuse for it, which resonates with alot of people.

>>41444006
>an equal or greater amount of cases and books that is for it.

No, not even close read the history of cults,religions occult and mysticism

Also why mods deleting any criticism against prison planet that talks about the rampant problem of selfharm and "self deletion" in their community?

>>41444840
because they are in on it, obviously.
the whole world may not be a loosh farm but /x/ most certainly is

>>41443192
>It's what plants crave???

>>41401278
it could be both like a prison where you can build anything you want, even more walls, but also an escape hole (to a new prison you can create yourself with more walls and you can put posters up on the walls)

anyway you are a construction and demolition company and are also the building

also higher dimensions, jesus and devils are all real and supply you with materials (good quality or bad quality that don't last)

Life just is. That's it. That's the lesson. As soon as you conceptualizing it as a lesson, you have forgot the lesson. It's a mystery impossible to fathom. It's a movie happening that we live and that we need to surrender to.

I don't mean that in a Buddhist way or as if there exists no right or wrong in this life. But what's right happens when we live fully. We are source but we are also dense physical material. That's why life can seem dark. If you allow yourself to truly be with what you experience, you will see that it was just an experience. Not a prison, not endless suffering. Just an experience. And often times a beautiful one when everything is said and done.

Unprocssed trauma and unfelt feelings create void and suffering. This is free space for different energies and entities to take over. Are they evil? Only if they have power over you. How do you prevent that? Free yourself from fear and pain by facing these exact parts of life. Again and again.

People avoid suffering so much and whine so much about it that it becomes a living hell. A prison. So for some life is a prison because they make it as such, for some it's a lesson.

Sometimes it feels like a prison, sometimes it feels like the most beautiful thing. No matter what it always just is.

it is a prison, and so what?! you weren't put here to bitch about it. you were put here to get strong enough to break out! Humans are literally saiyans. Everytime we die we just come back stronger and stronger until we can bust outta this joint and explore the greater cosmos. The biggest trap isn't getting your loosh sucked, it's being polarized into either joining side of light(oppressive new jerusalem cube lucifer crew) or the side of darkness(the psychos that live underground). What the gods fear most is spiritual adepts that take the middle path

>>41446720
there is no action in the middle path,
no momentum or movement.
A stand still that's worse than death.

and since joy and love have brought me only misery and hardship, I know the way out now. Through evil and death, only then does the creator love you.

Satanicus!

>>41446786
>there is no action in the middle path
kekekekek the middle path is that between complete service to others(which only ends you up being recruited to serve lucifer in the new jerusalem borg cube when it descends) or service to self(which ends you up in the underworld and the only way to get by there is to be a complete psycho). The middle path is that which leverages the strength of a self-individuated ego with a responsibility to others(balancing ego with oneness). We're not meant to develop a powerful ego just to discard it, nor are we meant to live solely through the ego as our own gods. We're meant to develop a powerful ego with a powerful sense of focus on god(the infinite NOT any of the "gods" here).

>>41446786
u care too much

>>41442391
You're just some schizo that's either ragebaiting because you have this jewish hate for God or are farming egnagement for 30c, but a system and humans gets more humane and Golden Rule the more ordered/high intelligence it is. Niggers are eating eachother because that's what they do, Whites brought our species to the stars, or atleast the skies if the Moonlanding was a hoax.

Our true god probably weeps for all the suffering we experience. We were protected by her for too long, like the garden of eden, while the rest of the universe was evolving. And while the universe is about to make a shift, it will let go of all that is not ready. The only way for this realm to join the shift is to grow up rapidly. This is painful. As a kid who hits his toe, the nerves that were never excited, sending immense amount of pain towards the brain. Compared to an adult which nerves are numbed down, and can deal with the pain much easier. We are like pets, taken care of very gently and lovingly.

bla bla bla....nobody knows what's the deal with this existence. people that claim knowledge are incredibly low on the ladder of spirituality. books? you're just reading someone else's thoughts, worthless. the most important beacon of knowledge is your own experience. i know there are things beyond this materialistic world. why? i had live experiences with immeasurable large coincidences. ones that shaped my life. i believe the issue on boards like this is, and i can't speak for you, is that sitting behind a computer 99% of your life isn't going to give you any worthwhile experiences. you need to get out there to experience human interaction, at which point, someday, you might experience these coincidences that make you question reality.

as for karma, yin/yang bullshit, those are the most evil views of the world. by that logic someone who does incredibly good in the world is incredibly selfish, because it opens a pocket for incredible evil. just as someone who is incredibly evil, is benevolent because it allows for someone else to be good.

whatever.

>creates a hellhole
>thoughts and prayers teehee

demiurge worshiper