Thread 41422321

Thoughts?

How bout that.

>>41422321 (OP)
Maybe.

But from a game theory standpoint, you should prepare for something, even if there's nothing. It just is logical.

doesnt explain why there are multiple people that experience memories from their past lives.

>>41422321 (OP)
Why don't you share your own original thoughts on the subject first? That's how conversations generally work.

People who don't believe in the afterlife don't have any more evidence than people who do, no one really knows what happens when you die but I think that consciousness came from somewhere so it has to go somewhere.

People who were pronounced brain dead have returned with knowledge of teventas they couldn't possibly have seen unless their consciousness had left the body. There are thousands of verified accounts of this phenomenon.

>>41422385
My genuine reaction to that information.

>>41422321 (OP)
This person has just become trapped by the illusion of knowledge. When someone treats science as a closed system of absolute truths rather than an evolving method of inquiry, they’re stepping outside of what makes science scientific in the first place. They’re essentially becoming no better than those that believe in blind faith.

Human perception and understanding are inherently limited, and there may be much more to reality than we know. Consciousness and existence are deeply mysterious, and the fact that we’re even here to experience anything, is possible evidence to more in and of itself.

>>41422321 (OP)
>tips hat
grim and false

>>41422456
What's teventas?

>>41422321 (OP)
Dude is a retard

I think that the people who are prepared for nothingness after death are either going to be contented or pleasantly surprised.

>>41422321 (OP)
spooky

>>41422321 (OP)
Thoughts? If you're retarded enough to believe reality laid itself like this for us, and it's all meaningless and without a god, why not be retarded enough to believe in an afterlife?
Most things function on invisible forces science can't prove, not just gravity, why no invisible force for an afterlife?
>everything is so absurd. but death? Yeah that will not be absurd at all. Just peaceful ending. Nope, that one specific thing in this crazy world, will not be crazy
Makes zero sense if you see the world through at least a bit of common sense or a sense of everything being connected. But I don't blame the guy. It's all cosmic things to ponder in the end, death, afterlife, creation, the beauty of creation, god. Just too much and I sympathize with atheists or people choosing to ignore this stuff, but it's dangerous ground in the end. I be talking to normies at work and they be saying the dumbest materialistic lowest dumbest shit I ever heard in my own life, dickriding powerful or succesful people into oblivion, today a guy said
>you talk shit about trump? or putin? you realise you could never be president of anything let alone the biggest countries in the world? you realise you and I should be grateful to get to even SMELL their shit and be in their viccinity within at least 100 miles, it would be a story we will tell our kids? Be real, we are morons compared to everyone succesful
I dont even know what to say to that dumb bullshit, maybe something like

>>41422721
he meant to say events

>>41422385
why does it have a human face?

>>41422321 (OP)
The exact opposite of the truth.

>>41422321 (OP)
I realised this when I was in college, I wouldn't say I was an atheist but I tried to uncover the truth of reality by stripping away as much of the falsehoods I knew of as possible. When I took away any believe in spiritual or magical thinking and purely looked at reality as a scientific process I felt scared, the world seemed infinately unknowable and horrifying.

Religion or spiritual thought is a neccessary for the stability of the mind.

>>41422888
The key falsehood is materialism.

>>41422888
That feeling of cosmic wonder is actually amazing.

>>41422321 (OP)
This brand of so called "materialism" is dishonest and suffers from cognitive dissonance. They never explore the argument to its conclusion. It is true, you cannot find an identity attribute external to the physical system. Therefore you can assume:
If you get cloned. There are two of you.
If technology creates a way to digitize your brain, your digital counterpart will be you.
If somehow the same arrangement of molecules occurs to form the same physical process that creates you a trillion years in the future, you will live again.

You can expand this reasoning to include even more different you-like arrangements. In truth, materialism is liberating, because no limit can be objectively defined about what "you" constitutes as long as it maintains the same logical structure of your brain, or more accurately, your memory. These fake materialists will then pivot to some bullshit continuity argument but there is not a single rational reason continuity should be confined to the time and place of your meat brain's arrangement.

>>41422888
I'm not a materialist but I don't see evidence for any specific religious or spiritual belief, how do you arrive at what to believe in?

the ultimate proof that life after death exists is that we were born from nothing, we didn’t exist before our current lives

so what proves that we won’t exist again after death ? even if that implies coming back under another shape or state and not as a human

maybe we will face a state of nothingness and void but i believe that it will be temporary

>>41422805
>>41422721
Actually teventas are something else and you wouldn't know unless you know

>>41423055
>we were born from nothing,
Personally i had a mother and father

Using physical logic to give sense to the spiritual isn't going to end up as anything other than a paradox

You know I saw this post yesterday and I was thinking about it. But then later at night when I was watching these kinds of horror documentary clips on YouTube, definitely had a couple moments where my room got very cold, and my lights kept going on and off. A spirit was in there with me. So as much as I hate this fucking society we live in, what I have experienced does point to something after death. Now... maybe that's only for a select few souls who are not at peace and decide to remain active at an energetic level. Who the fuck knows. I want to be connected to the spirit world. The darkness calls me. My hatred for people grows stronger. I am so unsatisfied with this earth experience I will probably become a demon or ghost myself. My soul years for more than this lame experience here.

>>41422321 (OP)
gatekeeper using demoralization to keep you from believing their is more, its a trick never trust anyone who peddles depression and passes it onto others freely like this "you have no hope, stop daydreaming about more"

I recommend Shakespeare's first 17 sonnets. For incels that anon might be right. For real men it's not really true tho

>>41423431
if this is the only chance you get at life, and he believes that why not be joyous and spread that joy around because thats what you would do if you believed in that earnestly and yet so many people like this exist, almost like their is some elaborate gatekeeping trying to prevent you from believing you can be more or that more even exists, you passively accept complacency and let the door in to hedonism and sin none of you really believe that do you truly ask yourself, will i never be reunited with my fellow man always trust you heart.

>>41422321 (OP)
bullshit

>>41422321 (OP)
>neurobilogical processes
Brainlet take. "Neurobilogical processes" may be completely quantified symbolically. The canonical variables of physics for every bit of the nervous system can be scratched down on a chalkboard. Mere symbols.

The brainlet can scribble on his chalkboard for a thousand years; nothing resembling consciousness will pop out. This is sophistry. Begging the question to be precise. Despite the fact that the entire field of "neurobiology" is quantitative, the brainlet smuggles in the premise that "neurobiology" encompasses the conscious mind via glossing over it. "Neurobiology encompasses the mind because... I say so. Look at this fancy word I've used! QED!"

Brainlets would be humorous if less numerous.

>>41422640
This. The assertions in the OP are no less presumptuous than claims often made by evangelical christians.

>>41422321 (OP)
No one knows what happens when you die, people just believe what they want to be true. That atheists want to just stop existing says a lot about them.

>>41423026
It's in the very name 'belief', whatever makes the most sense or whatever you find feels the most 'true'

>>41422394
empiricists don't give a shit about personal experience or mystery

That's some rick n morty cringe faggotry
>OH MY HECKING SCIENCE IS ABSOLUTE AND WE GOT EVERYTHING FIGURED OUT
I want faggots like this off the board

>>41422640
> When someone treats science as a closed system of absolute truths rather than an evolving method of inquiry, they’re stepping outside of what makes science scientific in the first place.

This is why i lurk here. Phenomenally formulated in such an elegant way - i wished i could do that.

My thought is that I know it's bullshit, in my case anyway, so I can disregard it.

Cool story but i've literally seen spirits

>>41422321 (OP)
Does a radio contain the radio station inside of it?

>>41422321 (OP)
but why am I conscious right now, right now in this brain rather than another brain and in another time / place?

>>41422321 (OP)
why does the image speak so finally about the end, when the birth would be just as final?

It goes both ways.

>>41426201
What if there is no grand reason? Why do some apples grow at the top of the branch and some at the bottom? The only potential “reason” is that it was the most energetically efficient thing for the universe to do. The apples grow where they do because growing anywhere else would be harder. In the process of achieving total entropy, you are an essential step within this universe. We all are. Everything is.

>>41426222
Alan Watts said something like this.

>>41426230
Apples are not conscious.

Why am I conscious in my brain rather than your brain?

Why am I not seeing through your eyes?

You can't reduce the inner witness

>>41422321 (OP)
The question is who wants to rule in what would colloquially be called hell. It's not the real hell but pretend you are in hell. How will you escape? Probably not following an established "escape from hell is this way" path.

>>41426261
and what is the throughline through most religions?

'Ego Death'.

The Bible is a very confusing book...many opinions about Bible...so much arguing...
I like the golden rule

>>41426300
In Christianity, did God follow the Golden Rule?

>>41422888
Even Descartes understood that the body and consciousness are different entities you fucking retard. Read a book.

>>41426330
Not him. But who created the laws that made the golden rule supreme? And who can treat god like he would others? Noone

>>41426283
Without ego you don't ever challenge what needs to be challenged because you're too busy being a peaceful non-entity that gets eaten by those with ego. You don't necessarily have to play it that way if it offends you. It's not even about worshipping yourself. It's about leaving a mark that lasts long enough to be worthy of examination.

>>41426379
I know, I was adding to your point about the majority being wrong. I disagree with ego death.

Remove all the masks of most religions and you see 'Ego Death.'

>>41426351

If God is all powerful, he can treat himself as he would like to be treated.

1st Law of Thermodynamics - Energy cannot be created or destroyed.
2nd Law of Thermodynamics - For a spontaneous process, the entropy of the universe increases.
3rd Law of Thermodynamics - A perfect crystal at zero Kelvin has zero entropy.

Matter is made of frozen light, and light is energy.
Consciousness is made of electrical signals, so it is energy as well.
Your consciousness started as intent, when your parents decided to have a kid. It then transformed into a foetus consciousness, then in a human consciousness. It will keep transforming after your physical body die.
It does not live in the brain, it express itself through it, like frozen light is expressed as matter after subjected to entropy.

The fools dont understand that a real tulpa is not created by meditation, but by the sexual orgasm*.
Sexual energy generates consciousness, because the seed stores information. That's why the seed is so important and you should not waste it with industrial porn, but to spend it in the alchemical opus. Also this is the reason why the LHP will always win over the RHP. Meditation is a scam, it is popular because it doesn't work. The spirit wife will always be a fiction for the fool who engages with the RHP.

*by fapping to her waifu forms, the incel is embraced by the serpent, which gives him new life. The waifu then manifests as a tulpa, becoming his spirit wife.

>>41422321 (OP)
This is a contradiction, is it not?

He’s using consciousness to explain away consciousness. He wouldn’t be able to make that opinion in the first place unless consciousness already exists. This means it exists in actuality.

>>41422321 (OP)
this doesn't say anything new and saying that the aim of all life is death is dumb. from a materialist perspective, the aim of all life is to persist for as long as possible and some lifeforms are literally immortal. there's no rule that says we can't try to genetically engineer humans to love forever or replace/regenerate their organs if they fail, or cure every disease. however, surviving the death of the of the universe is another matter, and we actually don't know with 100% certainty if the universe really is destined to end.

>>41422780
see that's a good point. why does the universe just exist in the first place, how do you know there isn't something incomprehensible that created it

>>41422321 (OP)

nderf.org

now kys and go to the afterlife, little bitch.

>>41424679
>That atheists want to just stop existing says a lot about them

Okay, and what makes you so certain that this isn't a better outcome than whatever you are going to face after death?

>>41426252
>Apples are not conscious.
How the fuck do you know? Don’t make claims you can’t substantiate.
Substitute for twins. Why is one twin born before the other? There no ‘grand reason’, one baby had to come out first, each baby had to have a perspective, so one baby had to experience that perspective and one baby had to experience the other.
In summary, the reason you’re you and not me is because I’m already me and vice versa. If I wasn’t here maybe you could have been here instead.

>>41426201
Because dasein.

If we are wholly deterministic biological creatures then what's the point of spending all this energy generating an illusion of our existence, perceiving and experiencing it sentiently? We could just be "mindless" action-reaction machines, but we're not.

Consider the hard problem of consciousness, we don't know the mechanism that generates our hallucinated experiences, but we do know, thanks to illusions, that our perceptions do not mimic reality 1:1.

So I'm not my hallucinations because that world of hallucinations is an illusion generated by a fundamental, underlying reality. I'm also not the fundamental, underlying reality, because my hallucinations dictate a response to reality that is not 1:1.

Through experimentation via meditation, I can prove that I am neither the hallucination, nor a simple byproduct of the underlying reality. My body, brain and neurons are discrete and digital, my hallucination is continuous and analogue, I am that which minds the gap. That's what sapience is.

You can prove bodily hallucinations die with the destruction of the body but you can't prove your sapience stops plugging into the equation post-destruction.

I don't really think of death as an erasure of consciousness, more as a kind of dissolution. Even purely materialistically speaking, I think all those electric impulses that are concentrated in that little clump of flesh and water we call a brain will just be set free again and, sure, I don't think that after they've been set free they will be concentrated enough for something to call itself "I" to persist but that's just their natural state.

>>41422721
events, sorry. Issue with my shitty keyboard. should have checked before posting.

we are taught the brain is fed information through sensors: your senses
how do you know they are real? you have been taught oh it's nerves oh it's physical stimuli oh there's little chemical receptors and you can taste
but everything is fed to you through those same supposed channels
its as futile as circular logic
you could prove you can turn them off: you cut off your arm and you can't feel it anymore, you pluck out an eye and you are blind in it
but what if it's trickery to keep the illusion going? why can't we ever reconnect any neurons? save for deaf people
you could all be fake and I might be the only real thing and I'm just watching memories
I could be fake, along with the rest, and you, yes you anon, you are the only real entity in existence and I am part of your show, your world
nothing is real or trustworthy
I came the closest to this when I got covid and got the most insane fever dream; you know when you're annoyed with a problem and you go and try to fix it with some kind of mental reflex, glib and preprogrammed? It was just going back and forth between 2 or 3 the entire dream. I imagine it's akin to what happens when a chickens head is cut off and it runs. A reflex, just slightly more complex but still a reflex. Stuck in reflex mode. Maybe we'll get a glimmer of the soul once we figure out consciousness

>>41422321 (OP)
Ok. Be miserable. I choose not to think such things. The great writers of history really were correct on one thing: the mundane is sublime.

>>41422321 (OP)
lmaoooo thats the most soulless cringy reddit bullshit I have ever seen. Unironically Freud? This has to be a joke. Nobody is that tone deaf, except boomers maybe but boomers don't post that way. If you actually believe that then you are ngmi, neither in this life nor the next. Another Anon said Rick and Morty lol yeah that's about right. This kind of nihilism just feels instinctively wrong to most people, you can be a smartass redditor all you want, you're not gonna convince anyone

>>41422321 (OP)
>no part of "you" persists because there is no "you" separate from the physical processes that generate the illusion of selfhood.
no, there is. most of the thoughts you think and their resulting beliefs arent yours, but were developed by chains of people who lived long before us. their legacy are we and we may work with this legacy we inherited, in order to pass it down with our mark left on it, having become part of the great chain (standing on the shoulders of giants). This is spiritual reincarnation, even if no memories are passed down and our exact mind doesnt become reconstituted later in the form we experience. Even the sun expanding and eating earth up whole neednt be humanity's end, it just marks the closing of the time window we will have had to expand beyond earth. We may even delay the sun's expiration date with star lifting, gaining energy to use in the process, but thats beside the point.

The legacy we leave behind is the part of us that lives forever (in heaven). Only those who dont leave one, those who didnt manage to do anything impactful with their lives, return to the void we all come from (hell). Selfish obsession with personal experience going on beyond death is quite infantile. Write something and future generations may become characterized by it just as we were characterized by the writings of past people. Slivers of them thereby are alive again, in us, after having been saved in their works.

Just to make sure it lands: personal experience beyond your physical sensory organs and verve costume failing to function is a metaphor only retarded babies believe to literally commence upon death, but that doesnt mean "no part" of you doesnt live on.

>>41422321 (OP)
How does mere matter experience things?

>>41422321 (OP)
>If you take the batteries out of a radio it stops making sounds
>therefore the source of the sounds coming from the radio was inside the radio
If you can't recognize the flaw in that reasoning than there is no hope for you

A spiritual tradition without some form of continuation after death is almost unheard of, even if that continuation is only via some kind of life force. There are the Carvaka and Lokayata schools of Hinduism that were supposedly materialist. However, we have no existing texts from them, and all the sources come from hostile opponents that have in turn been interpreted through a Western light.

The only spiritual tradition that definitely had a powerful contingent that denied continuation was Judaism. The Sadducees were a priestly class who ran the temples during the Second Temple period. They explicitly denied there was anything after death. All they had to do was follow the Torah to the word, and as it never mentions any kind of continuation, they didn't believe in it.

Today, many of the most famous hard-line materialists and atheists have Jewish heritage. We have been sold a lie that we know in our hearts is false, and which makes us think we are soulless bugmen, even when we know deep down that we are not. Once you make the connections here, you realise why the modern world is as it is. The hylics are in control.

>>41422321 (OP)
My thought is lmao that guy needs to have sex
Life is wonderful and even though it will end, you might as well enjoy the gift
>b-but muh suffering and the dying kids in africa
I'm glad chaos save me from that fate, however I won't lose sleep over it. It's just perspective in a way but still, I love life and I think so should You. You are also free to despise it if you are unlcky enough but hey, you are not.

>>41422883
>The exact opposite of the truth.
Indeed. There's 30 years of NDE research that conclusively shows that consciousness does not reside in the brain. Materialists are either mid wits (98%) or true antihuman filth (2%).

>>41422321 (OP)
>Thoughts?
No thoughts
Merely the observation that picrelated is very devout
His religion is Science and he worships death

>>41422839
Because it’s AI or a doll.

>>41430339
Based
>>41430424
Correct
>>41430037
Exceptionally based

>>41422321 (OP)
That looks like it was written by an atheist jew - and not a smart one, but one of the science retards - who cannot see beyond the material. As evil as the necromancers of chabad are, at least they acknowledge other states of reality.
There are planes, and dimensions above and below the one we exist in.
Time is an environmental constant in this dimension. It is a prison construct for consciousness.
There are entities outside of our dimension that are not bound by the saturnian time prison, or the geometric space that correlates with it.

>>41422321 (OP)
>life can't exist after de-ACK!
https://research.iands.org/ndes/nde-stories/iands-nde-accounts.html