Thread 41436149

I'm started to wonder if there's actually such a thing as enlightenment, where your consciousness is ultimately freed from the confines of this physical plane. What if it's just the result of meditating and prolonged having your mind in a certain state, where your brain changes to be that way all the time?
Every philosophy and religion has their own ultimate ideal whom ppl should aspire to be, but spiritual enlightenment as it's usually understood seems to only exist in a buddhist/hindu context. I can't find references to this type of enlightenment in any other religion or philosophy.
Am I onto smth, or just full tard?

I think enlightenment is really just pulling your head out of your ass, understanding yourself and being capable of engaging in introspection.

>>41436149 (OP)
Not full tard

>>41436149 (OP)
You are already enlightened. There is nothing special about it, so stop seeking. There is no "truth" or "realization" that you suddenly "get". Chop wood, carry water.

>>41436149 (OP)
It doesn't release you from life or makecyou glow or whatever. It's just seeing the hidden pulse underneath it all, being free from the world's definitions and labels. The way symbols speak more than a book ever could. The pattern becomes visible. Removed from this plane in the sense the world stops pulling at you. Things just roll off like rain water. Why stress over the death of yesterday or the tomorrow that doesn't exist. The only moment that exists is now.

>>41436149 (OP)
Attachments lead to suffering. The world has been robbed by forces that impose attachments and lure you into suffering.
Detachment is what you want. Control your emotions in all situations, and learn to feel what you truly want to feel. With that, you begin to perceive patterns that become psychic abilities in the future.

Aside from that, I'm a faggot like you and everyone else.

>>41436149 (OP)
>where your consciousness is ultimately freed from the confines of this physical plane
Where do you get this as what enlightenment means?
It doesn't match what Buddhists say, and it doesn't match what the concepts of the Enlightenment were.
Enlightenment is NOT a thing in Hinduism.

In Buddhism, enlightenment is realizing there are no independently existing anything. Nothing eternal. You don't exist except as the things around you define you. And neither do they exist. Nothing exists outside of interdependent context.

In Europe Enlightenment was the spread of the idea that we could structurally, systematically understand and thus dominate the world around us. It led to modern notice na of science and logic.

It sounds to me like you are more interested in the concept of mukti, of liberation, or in the west perhaps the notion of gnosis, but that is a looser parallel.

>>41436158
>I think enlightenment is really just pulling your head out of your ass, understanding yourself and being capable of engaging in introspection.
Many people think many incorrect things and are nevertheless satisfied by their incorrect understanding. The world keeps turning.

yes. but most minds can't handle it.

imagine someone walked in the room and told you had just won a billion dollars. You respond "ok". That's the experience of an enlightened person

>>41436344
>Where do you get this as what enlightenment means?

I'm just generally saying some repeated notions. Yeah, I mean it's dubious that Buddhism specifically means this, but a lot of new age types and,followers of westernized buddhism think. And interpretation of nirvana

>Enlightenment is NOT a thing in Hinduism.
There's a word for it, I can't really remember. Maybe Moksha. But i don't think Hindus focus on it so much

>>41436149 (OP)
Buddha means awaken, you awake from the dream and see reality clearly as it is (en-lightened) while the rest is sound asleep in the dark, living in their dreams.

Many begin to start awakening and see the theater of life, but it's hard to fully let go and become free from attachments, clinging and desires.
The ego always try to grab on to something. Along the path there are many traps as well. Escapism into bliss states in meditation like drugs. Spiritual ego/superiority complex as being "enlightened", false teachers and gurus who think they're higher spiritual beings. Nihilism, depression when nothing matters. Derealization is a change in perspective and it can be psychologically difficult for some. Fears and unresolved trauma can also cause trouble.

That's why a real guru or teacher is good to have, to help guide the student through these potentially difficult situations. Essentially it's just to help a person overcome their ego and let go.

>>41436149 (OP)
>Is enlightenment real?
Enlightenment is the beginning. It is the realization of the nature of you not being your body. Enlightenment is NOT transcendence

>ultimately freed...physical plane
This does seem to be possible. Tibetan rainbow body disappearences on death. Or do you mean your physical body vanishes while you are still alive? Or migrating your soul out of it? All of those are plausible and theoretically possible, just extremely rare

There is nothing you can "do" to attain this. Doing is the reverse of transcendence. Doing is actively engaging with the "outside." It is the objectification of the self. There is no transcendence through doing, only further chains. Refusal to participate and forcing stillness in mind, body, spirit, and soul (yes, two different things), leads to complete dissolution back into the Absolute. It sucks from what I hear. It's boring. It's pure stasis. This is ultimate transcendence of all things. It is the death of your individuated self. This is to BE the divine and cease all BECOMING.

The best thing is to "remove modulation." You are receiving a signal of consciousness entering into you, your brain acting as an antenna to pick it up. If you purify your physical body, your mind and spirit are more properly aligned to interpolate that signal, reducing noise. Clarity of the signal is what will lead to what you're looking for if you want to still exist both before and after physical death, where you can experience things and have a tremendous time doing so. Seek peace. Seek stillness. Seek clarity of thought and less of it. Seek to be wholly intentional in all things.

You will become hyper sensitive to things which disrupt your signal and will be able to instantly recognize what is scrambling your signal clarity. Having great signal clarity is what leads to bliss. Receiving the signal, amplifying it, and not letting it get scrambled is BECOMING closer to the Divine. Everything else is BECOMING farther away.

>>41438103
>leads to complete dissolution back into the Absolute. It sucks from what I hear. It's boring. It's pure stasis.
There's no place like home.

>>41438391
I mean, if it (you) was (were) content to stay there, you would have. The fact you incarnated and chose to be apart from absolute fullness shows that it's just bland. Boring. No contrast. No experience. Nothing. Just eternal stasis. Full and complete? Yes. Still not enough. Much rather be scattered across the cosmos and continually and infinitely travel back to the self, while never fully reaching it, experiencing greater and greater bliss as you trend toward a null point you never reach. Like falling into a black hole. Time slips away in your own perspective as you get closer toward it. So an outsider would see you falling in over a set duration, but to you, it's essentially infinite. And the closer to the center you get, the more sweet succulent goodness you experience without having to go into stasis.

Home for you? Maybe. I ain't going back. They can't make me

>>41438426
Look up tatashta sakti. There is an eternal home that is not boring.

>>41436344
There's a lot of lore on how reincarnation is a common belief and enlightenment frees you from it, so it's hard to dismiss it as "just a metaphor". If anything the "just a metaphor" sounds like the dubious Western interpretation.

>>41440784
Tatashta sakti has nothing to do with reincarnation.
It is part of the discussion on the ultimate origin of the eternal self.
Hint: there are three "stable" positions of the soul.
Samsara is only one of them.

>>41436149 (OP)
I'm getting into trying to achieve Moksha. I think there might be different kinds, planes, and tiers of enlightenment though. Or maybe no such thing as enlightenment at all. I think maybe going berserker or being cool or having grace can be a kind of enlightenment.

>>41438426
The idea that I chose to incarnate on a world where history repeats itself, being in school, working a job day-to-day to pay bills and taxes is pretty laughable. Repetition and monotony drives this world.
It gets even funnier when you think about soul groups, chosen life contracts and paths, etc.
There is beauty in life, and things unexplained and the spiritual, but it is immensely difficult to run away from the systems that bind us to these day-to-day activities to embrace the true path of what this life has to offer.
In other words, it's a joke. If it were even slightly more obvious, the issues we face from past to present would be easier to manage or outright would not exist.
It's a strange existence, and the fact that the infinite would conjure up something like this out of "boredom", just to make a restricted existence more boring than the unrestricted eternal creation we came from is very weird honestly.

>>41436149 (OP)
>Is enlightenment real?
hell frens, olfactoryanon here
I can absolutely positively 100% unequivocally guarantee you that the spiritual light is real, any one of us may manifest it
that is, IF you put in enough work to condition your mind and body properly so that it may exist in such a state
while I did not reach a stage where this light was an ongoing thing,
I can tell you that it takes a while for conditioning, it'll arise but wont come back
eventually it does, and wont come back for a little while
eventually it comes back regularly, every day, and stays for as long as you can hold your concentration
I never got past this because of life bullshit
e.g. a wife who's a real pain in your ass and does things to stress you out is definitely not conducive to cultivation
but I totally believe the light can stay manifest at some later stage and I would not be surprised if it came with a halo
one would need lots of dedication and to remain calm amidst storms
good luck frens, there will be a couple of you out there that will light the spark

>>41436158
>I think enlightenment is really just pulling your head out of your ass, understanding yourself and being capable of engaging in introspection.
I can also tell you 100% positively that thinking doesnt get you there and it is not some intellectual realization
it is 100% a real shining brilliant light
first time you manifest it you will want to leap from your seat yelling in celebration, its just the spontaneous response
eventually you settle in to it like a warm bath every night
truly sublime

>>41436344
>Many people think many incorrect things and are nevertheless satisfied by their incorrect understanding. The world keeps turning.
indeed

>>41442558
A nice, humble admission that you are satisfied with your incorrect understanding.

>>41436316
anon, your description is poetic and beautiful. blessed may you forever be.

>>41436339
we're all faggots on this blessed day

>>41442570
>In Buddhism, enlightenment is realizing there are no independently existing anything
which definition is meant for realize, it matters
one has nothing to do with enlightenment, the other is part of a requirement
1. become fully aware of (something) as a fact; understand clearly.
2. cause (something desired or anticipated) to happen.
but as your context indicates the first definition, I'm going to have to fail you on this part of the exam
many read about it and imagine things about it
exceedingly few generate the spark for real and akshually understand
this is the only other worthwhile information itt so far
>mind and spirit properly aligned to interpolate that signal, reducing noise. Clarity of the signal is what will lead to what you're looking for
any "intellectual enlightenment" that is borne of thinking and reason has nothing to do with the spiritual phenomenon of the enlightenment process
you cannot reason the spark into existence, as mentation is antithetical to the enlightenment process
understanding interdependent origination on an intellectual level isnt going to help with the process except insofar as it may help one have more compassion and thus less attachment, which is really just removing mental hindrances
but these things do not directly cause the spark to manifest, at all

>>41437495
The way through the traps is through Him.
He is the way,
the TRUTH
and the life.
Read the Bible.
We are all sinners. Repentance and accepting Jesus Christ as lord is your salvation. The path is right in front of you but you can't see it because your eyes are not open. Choose what you know in your heart is true.
The Spirit of Christ is with you and the full Armor of God is on you, fren.

>>41442634
go proselytize elsewhere
reading anything isnt going to cause enlightenment
accepting jesus isnt going to cause enlightenment
believing isnt going to give one spiritual armor (but cultivation will)
there's no need to argue about this itt
there's just simply no concept of enlightenment in christianity
thus making mention of it off topic
so we will encourage everyone to stay on topic itt, yes

>>41438426
> “Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.”
> Ephesians 5:14
anon, a little secret between you and I. The Kingdom of God is within you. All you need to do is to turn everything you know upside down. Because the Truth has been concealed from you to leave you nihilistic and depressed as your post reads. Anon, you matter and I hope my words reach your heart. You deserve more than how you currently feel. The way is with Him. Let Him in and be Free.
> The Lord thy God in the midst of thee is mighty
> Zephaniah 3:17
> John 8:36:
> If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

>>41436149 (OP)
As someone who got sotapanna earlier this year, and possibly sakadagami last week, it is most definitely real and not that hard to attain. I don't know about any supernatural effects, but if reincarnation is a thing I suspect it would help with that because the reduced clinging to the aggregates that make up incarnation is legit.
Basically it's like the brain is unclenched. Imagine you've been clenching your fist your whole life and suddenly it slips open and you see it wasn't holding onto anything and can relax from then on. The biggest tangible effect is a dramatic reduction in fatigue. You also get that jew effect Himmler spoke of where things that upset people just bead off you like water off a raincoat.

>>41442641
theoria/theosis = enlightenment = gnosis = da'ath = henosis = marifa = nirvikalpa/sahaja samadhi, etc. etc. the Truth remains unchanging regardless of how it's described.

>>41442634
>grovel to the jewish demiurge psyop

Nah

>>41442646
> Kingdom of God is within you
Ooooh I'm well aware anon. I went so far down the rabbit hole that I found every single answer to every single question I ever cared to ask. Reality is not even remotely close to being what we've been told but big daddy gubment and nanny academia. Found all of the answers. Literally all of them