Thread 41453655

Spirituality is something that truly fascinates me. I've spent years studying it: reading religious texts, modern interpreters, and even trying certain practices or using drugs. Yet, nothing has allowed me to apprehend anything tangible. I have never seen or sensed anything that I would call a "spirit", but I've met people who swear they've had contact with other realms, and that for them, it's just a normal part of everyday life.

I'm starting to think that either you're all gaslighting, or I'm some kind of dalit, unable to connect with anything magical.

>>41453655 (OP)
Moral life is where it's at, it's much deeper and versatile.
Occultism is pseudo-morality in le sekrit club.
Spirituality is pseudo-morality in le sekrit club.

No I'm not shilling for christianity or Buddhism or whatever lol, this is a totally general concept.

>>41453655 (OP)
I didn't believe in the supernatural and certainly didn't research it, then a goddess visited me. I feel like that's pretty rare so I don't think there's anything you can do to make it happen just because you want it to.

>>41453655 (OP)
Being spiritual is cool and so most people (99%) lie about it. No different from the average palm reader. People who do drugs think they’re having spiritual experiences but really they’re just getting lost in their own psyche. Still a valuable experience for inner work. But they’re not communing with spirits gods or demons, they’re talking to parts of their own mind.
The people who really do experience spiritual stuff are largely hermetic and self-isolating and extremely careful about sharing information with people they don’t know and trust.

>>41453655 (OP)
>unable to connect with anything magical
Are you even trying, bookworm?
>>41453664 Morality is always an effect of the spiritual, not a cause.

>>41453694
Wrong.
Occultism is just damned lies and ill will with just enough Truth to support it.

>>41453702 Well, my personal experience tells me otherwise, and that's where I place my trust. Morality is a consequence, not a cause. Otherwise, it turns into a set of rules you must simply believe.

Are you sure you want the spiritual. My life has been steeped in the spiritual, I saw the world shake before I was 1 year old when I realized telepathy was real and Satan was watching me. At 2 I had to meditate for hours in the freezing cold snow for reality to keep existing, and I stopped time to count snowflakes with the help of faraway aliens in the future and I had to have no doubt or I would have failed. At 5 I destroyed hundreds of thousands of my brain cells using meditation and then leapt from a tree to destroy billions more, all in the name of the spiritual. It's not only creation that blesses, but destruction too sometimes. I gave many people permission to try to take my life and they did try some times, all to train my psychic powers; attacked in my sleep, slipping poison in my drink, lacing my drugs, ambushing me far from home with numbers. I dropped out of school to pursue the occult and my life is beset by financial troubles and trouble socializing; I've went a year and didn't say more than 100 words to people in that year to train my occult powers. I hallucinate almost at all times, my pain is chronic and body-wide, I always feel confused and dizzy, I'm tired to the bone every second. Even if I found bliss, which I did, happiness and purpose, I struggle to think of myself as human because of what I've done to my brain and how I think, how I relate to the world.

I found the occult through difficulty. I'm sure you've encountered difficulty, hasn't everyone, but does any of the pain I describe sound like something you wish you had? I don't have long conversations with spirits that console me, there's no recognition of my talents except some slight praise from humble hearts, nothing serious. Even those that know for a fact I have occult powers don't care to talk about it or think about it much it frightens them too much. I proselytize the destruction and creation of brain cells and other thinking material to people, disgusting them.

>>41453713
Morality is embodied by all Moral people; Morality is they who are Moral.
One way to be Moral is to tune into and contemplate moral values, such as Justice, Equality... Serenity, Joy.
That's not "spiritual", for example to be Joyful is a Moral discipline of the Heart.

Not "moralization", to address that.
Caps to emphasize not-exactly-dictionary definitions.

The thing is to accept other people's definitions of words is to yield to their definitions, but to then use different words just because what a dictionary says is to yield ground too.
So for important things one has to hold one's own ground linguistically and semantically, and sometimes that means pronouncing commonly-known words with meanings not usually attributed to them.

And a solid Moral Way of Life is not painful or rough or dangerous or traumatic, or lacking in power...
That is why I criticize the occult, and that is why I don't fear doing so.

>>41453655 (OP)
If you're in Ontario we could try some experiments with telepathy, thoughtforms, evocation, mediumship, and other phenomena I've been able to produce in the past and have verified by my friends and maybe you'll be able to experience it too. I have to say though after the initial wonder and bewilderment it becomes as natural as the fact planes exist and we can fly planes. At one point in time flight was this thing that some people thought impossible and ruled out by the known laws of physics until someone made the first gliders, airplanes, etc. Well anyways telepathy and so on could have lots of explanations, the phenomena is real, but is it super amazing and spiritual? I don't know.

>>41454079
Oh and another example. Bees supposedly shouldn't be able to fly. If you asked a physicist about it they'd produce a proof that bees couldn't fly. When it became apparent bees can fly despite what physics would have predicted, physics had to be updated to account for the phenomena. Well telepathy and other psychic phenomena is part of nature and just has to be accounted for in our physics too.

>>41454014 Your theology is out of sync with reality. The average person sees morality as merely a set of behavioral rules they are expected to trust without understanding why. Furthermore, societies not indoctrinated with your specific morality simply do not hold many of the viewpoints common to the Western world. History is replete with examples. Morality is not the cause of spirituality, but its consequence. What you call the 'occult' is simply another manifestation of this same spiritual reality.

>>41454159
You can't even engage in an actual conversation without going off on a dissociative trip about your politics, you creepy little cult freak.
Take your "spiritual reality" and shove it up your ass.

>>41453655 (OP)
those people are off their rocker chief
stay bless-ed

>>41454182 With no real argument, your only recourse is projection. Cope.

Jesus Christ is the ONLY way, everything else is a lie of Satan

>>41454197
lol

>>41454159
I agree with this. Swami Vivekananda and others in the spiritual traditions explain that morality is a side effect of meditation and other forms. Like if you have an NDE, or have an ecstatic experience, or witness some of the beauty of God, or improve your awareness, then moral behaviour is the side effect of these things. You can't chase after morality (and even psychic abilities directly) but can enjoy them as side effects of certain practices.

>>41454200
Jesus and Satan are semitic nonsense both of them.

>>41453655 (OP)
All it took for me to see a ghost was go to an abandoned mental asylum that was supposedly haunted. After that I sat in for some of my friends' conjuration experiments. Visible spirit in a crystal? Check. A black mass appearing in a goetic triangle? Check. The only thing I haven't encountered yet are DMT elves. That one's still on my list. I'm not saying that everyday has been a spookfest. There's been long periods of nothingburgers in between real experiences. Maybe you're just one of those people who are "shut off" or something. I don't know. It's not like I see spirits every waking moment either. I'm not special. Maybe it just took just the right experiences at just the right occasions for me.