Thread 217230

Why isn't muay thai a big thing outside of ladyboyland if there are so many people who hate grappling and for some reason watch mma?

Because people want to watch guys get slammed and beaten to a pulp on the ground. But they also want it to be "real" so they can't watch pro wrestling. It's all very retarded.

Its boring as hell for one
They compete every weekend so the goal is they're trying to cruise and win on score cards, not going for KOs, and the first round they aren't even competing. Its a warm up round while the bets come in so both guys just chill until round 2 before they start trying
Everyone that talks about how muay thai is the real deal has never actually watched it
It's point sparring

They market the same way the chineses do, for whatever reason people take the bait
Chinese guy breaks a brick with Kung fu, super cringe!
Thai ladyboy kicks over a dead banana plant, ZOMG THE POWER OF MUAY THAI

>>217236
>Everyone that talks about how muay thai is the real deal has never actually watched it
>It's point sparring
There's like 1 death in muay thai reported on the internet every year and I guess not all of them are reported on internet cause it's the third world

>>217238
well yeah it's 3rd world, deaths could be from anything

>>217230 (OP)
It seems to be popular under ONE Championship.

>>217238
vax status?

>>217230 (OP)
the more popular mma gets the more popular muai thai gets and both are on the rise, ONE had a big event in Denver a couple months ago when superlek knocked out haggerty early and it was pretty lively

>>217230 (OP)
Arguably the second most popular striking art behind boxing.
>Why isn't muay thai a big thing
Shut up.

>>217236
Just lol at this cope

>>217230 (OP)
Like everything else bro, marketing. If muay thai had UFC / WWE tier marketing and event structure it would mogg everything else.

>>217318
>UFC / WWE tier marketing
Those are two different tiers of marketing. WWE has A tier marketing, like boxing does. UFC does not.

>>217270
>>217301
Ironically, despite muay thai unanimously being considered legit, it actually has less representation in MMA at the highest levels than most other striking arts. Sure, everyone knows how to throw a leg kick and has a passing familiarity with a thai clinch, but you rarely see champions with bonafide competitive muay thai credentials.

>>217336
because it's just asian kick boxing

Muay Thai is HUGE in Japan, France, the Netherlands, and pretty much the rest of the world. It's only retarded burgerland that doesn't appreciate it because:

A) US Full-Contact Karate fighters were getting thrashed by Nak Muays so there was a nasty propaganda campaign against it

B) There are no good US Muay Thai fighters. They lack the skills to hang with the big boys in Lumpini and Rajadamnern; the Mecca and Medina of Muay Thai competition.

C) The wai kru ceremony before a bout would alienate retarded burgers

>>217346
unless the economy suddenly becomes 1920s overnight or over the course of a few years being a fighter will never been a profitable thing unless you become ali, tyson, mayweather or mcgregor levels of famous where your name is known by people that dont even follow fighting.

The US will never turn out pure career fighters again until the economy gets that good.

>>217336
Kickboxing copied Muay Thai after getting their asses kicked by it. Look for all the kickboxing champs, and that's where you see the Muay Thai influence.

>>217230 (OP)
People want to see fights with the least restrictions possible, and MMA is the best we've got in that regard.

>>217308
Identify one false statement

>>217353
>Kickboxing copied Muay Thai after getting their asses kicked by it.
lol no. Three karate guys from Japan went to Thailand and fought three muay thai guys and the karate guys won two of the fights. When they returned to Japan they decided to create their own version of muay thai which became kickboxing.

>>217360
and yet, when kickboxers were using the karate's bladed stance, they kept getting their asses kicked until they adopted the Muay Thai stance and popularized low kicks. There is Muay Thai influence, no matter how much you deny it.

>>217383
Couple of points:
1. I didn't deny muay thai's influence on kickboxing. In fact; I stated clearly that kickboxing was created BECAUSE of muay thai. Influence doesn't get any bigger than that.
2. Bladed stance? Are you talking about non-Japanese kickboxing? Specifically American/Canadian kickboxing from the 70s and 80s? Because Japanese kickboxers didn't fight in a "bladed stance." American and Canadian kickboxers did because low kicks were illegal in North American kickboxing and a lot of those kickboxers came from traditional martial arts backgrounds that utilized a bladed stance. North American kickboxing evolved as its own thing. It was basically a combination of boxing and point karate.

>>217383
>>217412
Bladed stances are also fairly prevalent in MMA even though the threat of the leg kick is there, so it's not so cut & dry.

>>217236
Idk Muay Thai makes some people extremely dangerous. Only some tough.

>>217412
You can also see how it developed over the years to become more and more like MT. Got some boxing influences too. I don't even know how this debatable if you're old enough to know what early Kickboxing and K1 was. Or just watched the vids

>>217346
>there are no good us muay thai fighters
>steroids has knocked on the door

>>217346
It's huge here in Brazil. Pretty much the number one striking art assuming you aren't already going to a specialized MMA gym, just leagues above boxing and any other kickboxing variety in number of practitioners.

>>217833
desu most casual MT gyms here are just kickboxing but MT sells better.

>>217840
Kickboxing has become an imitation of MT so it's the same fundamentals. I hear what you're saying though

>>217430
Because both guys are in bladed stance more often, they have to defend takedowns. From a bladed stance it's slower to throw kicks

>>217349
The only thing the US can churn out are wrestlers

>>217230 (OP)
People enjoy a slipped punch into a big takedown into big ground and pound or snapping into a submisison. They don't enjoy footstomping against the cage and positional grappling on the ground.

>>218001
Yeah, the Thaijitsu style can work, but you need to be both scary off your back and have good sweeps such that you don't really care about getting taking down, but you need Oliveira-tier BJJ for this gameplan to work

>>217840
Most MT gyms are actually cardio classes for women with fake eyelashes and lip filler but we pretend those don't exist

>>217230 (OP)

Americans don’t look to other countries for sports.

>>217230 (OP)
If it isn't MMA no one gives a fuck. Why would we settle for only partial full contact?
>Why not Muay Thai big?
Fuck muay thai, why not Kudo bigger? All the upsides of MMA + the variables introduced by gear + resets when tap attempts go on too fucking long.

>>218510
>If it isn't MMA no one gives a fuck.
Boxing

I'm glad it's not more popular to be honest. One is fun to watch but i'd much rather watch RWS, Thai Fight, Petchyindee, Jitmuangnon etc over it. I like the pace, I like the tradition, and becoming more popular would just water it down. Plus there's amateur promotions here that people in my gym fight for so I get to see live amateur fights from time to time.

>>217357
>People want to see fights with the least restrictions possible
Explain the popularity of boxing then.

>>217230 (OP)
>>218526
Muay Thai is boring compared to boxing. You would know this if you had decades of experience of watching combat sports.

>>217236
>it's boring
That's about it yeah.

>>217353
Doesn't make a difference. Virtually none of the striking you see in MMA is influenced by Meme Thai because the stance and footwork sucks for MMA and so does the overemphasis on kicking and fighting in the clinch means jackshit when your opponent is a wrestler or judoka and can just toss you around

>>217230 (OP)
Because mma has the marketing advantage of being the closest to a real fight

Nobody understands the scoring. Punches and low kicks don't count as much compared to a skilled display of clinch with trips, knees and elbows. High kicks and body kicks is what score the most. Fight with finesse instead of bum-rushing for the KO.

The average plebs think that Ramon Dekkers is what MT should be. Watch Chatchai Paiseetong, Boonlay Sor Thanikul, or Hippie Singmanee showcases the technical display of what MT is.

>>230493
>Because mma has the marketing advantage of being the closest to a real fight
It certainly would be true if they allowed strikes to the back of the head, soccer ball kicks, throat punches, headbutts, strikes to the crotch, etc.

At the end of the day, it's still a game for our entertainment, not a real fight.

>>217230 (OP)
Because those people don't hate grappling in that way. They hate grappling in the sense that they want striking to be superior IRL in a real fight; in other words, they ultimately hate reality. And since they can't accept the advantages grappling actually has they blame "the rules", there must be some MMA rule "ruining" it, making stand-up striking less effective than they think it would be on tha streeeeetz.

TL;DR you've been arguing with retards. This has nothing to do with Muay Thai, so it doesn't affect viewership.

>>217236
>They market the same way the chineses do, for whatever reason people take the bait
>Chinese guy breaks a brick with Kung fu, super cringe!
>Thai ladyboy kicks over a dead banana plant, ZOMG THE POWER OF MUAY THAI
Worth noting that this marketing strat worked for the Japanese and to some extent Chinese for an entire generation, though. Tards across America were swallowing that bait whole, hook and all, for decades. The only reason the present generation is inured to it is that they grew up watching those baitchomping cringelords make absolute fools of themselves non-stop.

>>230569
I've watched grapplers get punched, kicked or kneed in the face before successfully performing a takedown. The rule that if a fighter has three points of contact with the floor, they are considered grounded and cannot be kicked or kneed in the head does protect your weak asses. I've also seen grapplers injure themselves in the process of a takedown because concrete is very different from a soft gym mat.

What you call reality, everyone else can see is a delusion. BTW, among grapplers, wrestlers and judokas are better in the streets than your blowjob-jutsus (bjj).

>>217833
for real? i thought all you guys did caipirinha or whatever.

>>230612
NTA but Brazil loves sports, more than any other country in South America—all kinds of sports, too.

>>218901
amen, I love watching Thai Fight unlike ONE
just feels more grassroots
>here's a ring in a park
>here's a huge picture of the king
>here's some music, go fight
sovlful

>>230634
yeah but for kick based combat sports i wouldve expected them to be all in on catoblepas.

>>218473
Theyre cardio classes bc most americans dont understand holding back and working on form when they do pad work or spar

>>230488
>Virtually none of the striking you see in MMA is influenced by Meme Thai because the stance and footwork sucks for MMA
this. Not only that, but the thai stance sucks for kickboxing in general. You just don't see people using it anymore nowadays regardless if it's mma or kickboxing rules, it's inefficient.

Same reason all mma promotions other than UFC fail, nobody knows when and where to fucking watch it. I type ufc into Google and I know the date and time of the next event. Try to Google when the a muay thai or baxing event is and it's like trying to read a recipe past all the ads and paragraphs of pointless story.

Until the right influencer or promoter gives it the glamour filter, it’ll stay sacred in Bangkok—and ignored by couch warriors yelling “stand ‘em up!” during a Khabib highlight.

>>230783
Nice try, dog-eater.

>>217240
Kind of this. If UFC didn't dominate American combat sports so much, more people there would be watching something at least close to Muay Thai and Kickboxing.

>>238336
>If UFC didn't dominate American combat sports so much
It doesn't. The US is a boxing country that's developing an interest in UFC.

>>218526
Boxing has legacy status. It's fighting vanilla for most the world and especially older people. MMA is the new hot alternative and there isn't enough room in the imagination of a random normie to care about both mma and muay thai or kickboxing.

>>217345
Kick boxing Is just western Muay thai