last time on dragon ball kg - >>195013

What's everyones grades?
Do you like kata?
Where do you buy your gi's from?
Does anyone else find the obsession with finding "mcdojos" annoying and counter productive?

>>217284 (OP)
Personally, I'm a 4th Kyu in Kyokushin, I've been training for more than three years now, and I buy my gis from Kyokushinworldshop but I recently went to Japan and got one from Budoshop in Ikebukuro and it's really nice.

>>217285
is it worth it? How old are you?

>>217286
I'm 26 years old, for reference I live in the UK so shipping etc from KWS to England isn't expensive. If you're asking about Budoshop in Japan.... I got it in Japan because the domestic prices in Japan are really cheap, plus the Yen was at an all time low when I was there, and as far as souvenirs from Japan go, a karategi is the ideal one for me. However ordering from Budoshop from abroad can be quite expensive, and their english website is very clunky, which is quite odd as the owner is almost fluent in English.

>>217284 (OP)
Kata should be treated like shadow boxing. It's used to perfect technique and muscle memory AFTER you learned kihon (fundamentals) and engage in kumite to actually know how to take a hit as well as engage against a partner trying do the same to you.

I'm sorta karate through my instructor's lineage. He was a former World Oyama (a Kyokushin offshoot) adherent who cross-trained in Muay Thai and Savate. So what I learn is a blend of 3 disciplines with traces of the karate like before and after class we do seiza while in-between it's pad drills, bag work, sparring, clinching/neck-wrestling practice, etc.

>>217292
why do people who don't do karate always have these groundbreaking opinions on what karate "should" be

I wish there was any Kyokushin within a hundred miles. My Uechi-Ryu school has okay people but pretty much no kumite.

I don't do Karate but in my MMA gym our sensei is a second dan of Shito-Ryu and he forces us to follow Karate etiquette and discipline with all the senpai, seiza, onegaishimasu, oss, obi and all that minus the Karategi even if we don't actually do any of the karate techniques

>>217351
if you go to another gym, you'll find the karate etiquette really weeds people out who just go to class because they want to hurt people

>>217284 (OP)
>brown belt (two stripes before black to go)
>I love kata. I do shito ryu and we do so many kata but only 1/3 of class is dedicated to it. We do a mix of 1/3 bag work/drills and 1/3 sparring
>Amazon, sewing my own pants, and Century
>McDojos are real and it's worth knowing what to look for to find a quality dojo that promotes based on merit

>>217340
Hey, you from the last thread. I'm the Shotokan guy.
I hope the Uechi-Ryu works out for you. I'm also in the same boat with my dojo, its mostly kihon and kata which is good training, but, I would like for a bit more kumite and also not just ippon kumite. I see that the free sparring, jiyu kumite, is for the brown belts and up only. Granted I am only green belt (6th kyu) and I have skipped some gradings which falls on me as I hindered my own progress.
At judo we do some randori often which I feel is good.

>>217393
What's interesting is I'm the youngest in the school at 39. There's also one other white belt and then everyone else is black belt.
It makes for interesting training when the whole class is trying to help me and show me stuff. That part is kind of cool, actually. The other white belt is two stripes ahead of me, about 4 months of classes ahead of more.

>>217340
>>217393
Y'all know there is nothing stopping & and a partner from getting together and doing your own sparring right? I hear this conplaint all the time, even from students in the same school together. Lol its so silly. Take some initiative.

>>217396
Thats cool. A lot of the black belts are always willing to help from what I have experienced. I'm just over 10 years younger and started 2 years ago.
>>217401
Fair enough, it is up to me. The guys at the dojo that are really good with kumite will get together and spar, I should ask to join. Outside of the dojo I mostly just do some kihon on my own and hit the boxing bag and then do uchikomi with a stretch cord for judo in addition to cardio and weights

>>217401
It depends where you're located. We've changed locations a few times, at the old place we were allowed to lock up so sometimes I would spar with the other students at the end of class, as well as doing conditioning and other aspects. But now we're at a new location and we're not allowed to lock up so we can't stay for very long after class which sucks as sometimes there's just not enough time in the lesson to do everything you want, especially in regards to sparring and prepping for tournaments.

>>217284 (OP)
>What's everyones grades?
Green
>Do you like kata?
Yes. Mostly for history and how to actually use it.
>Where do you buy your gi's from?
Some rough part of town where for some reason they sell a lot of sports martial arts supplies. Cost about 10 dollars.
>McDojos
There's few dojos here in the first place and most of them are ran by former police officers.
>>217393
>I see that the free sparring, jiyu kumite, is for the brown belts and up only.
That's weird. The only kumite we do is free sparring. I'm usually pitted against brown belts.

>>217284 (OP)
> What's everyones grades?
Green
> Do you like kata?
Yes. I quiet like heian nidan and sandan
> Where do you buy your gi's from?
Decathlon and a local store here in South Africa
> Does anyone else find the obsession with finding "mcdojos" annoying and counter productive?
I can't say I have seen any. I don't go around looking for them. I do like laughing at the videos I see of them online

>>217284 (OP)
>What's everyones grades?
I'am Yellow belt in Shito-Ryu which is the minimum requirement to participate in Kumite
>Do you like kata?
No, the reason why I didn't advanced more in Shito-ryu is because that
>Where do you buy your gi's from?
It was a gift so idk
>Does anyone else find the obsession with finding "mcdojos" annoying and counter productive?
What is a McDojo to begin with? In my city most Dojos focus in sport part of the Karate and that isn't inherently wrong, my Dojo focus in both self-defence and Sport Karate and the Sensei is very clear in ask why is your objective when you roll-up since the classes of Self-Defense include obligatory Boxing plus some Judo and Wrestling which are two days extra of training. But I didn't see nothing wrong with Dojos that only teach the more spiritual or sporting side of Karate.

Over four hours of testing for my 3rd kyu today, will only find out if I passed on Tuesday, wish me luck anons

>>217653
Four hours? Wtf bro did they even see you do the punch thing

Why is karate like this?

>>217292
>Kata should be treated like shadow boxing.
Wrong. They are not and never will be. In boxing, you learn punches and movements in a way you do them in sparring first and THEN combine all this is shadow boxing. With kata, you learn some cringe dance first and THEN trying to find use for movements, so you go other way around which is cringe. All the shit black belt 9th grade masters do is inventing another cringe decryption of some static hand rise in kata. "Oh, now this is a block, no, now this is a throw, oh no, now this is a choke" fucking faggot, learn propper throws and chokes first and stop inventing shit!
>It's used to perfect technique
Wrong, since technique is the best way to APPLY FORCE. If you are not applying force you are not practicing technique. It is impossible to perfect a technique of a throw to an air. What you can learn is SEQUENCE OF BODY PART MOVEMENTS which is not technique and which can be learnt very quickly and you don't need to spent 30 min of your practice every week on some strange dance where this technique occurs one or two times.

>>217526
>What is a McDojo to begin with?
"McDojo" is a school that prioritizes profit over quality instruction, often using questionable teaching methods, unqualified instructors, and a focus on earning belts or ranks quickly rather than developing genuine skills.
>https://www.reddragonkarate.com/
If you really want to know what a McDojo is, go to that website, scroll all the way down and click on "License Opportunity." This is a particularly famous one in my area. The guy that played scorpion in the firsg mortal kombat runs it. They're not the worst offenders, they're at least good enough to build children's confidence & teach basic self-defense skills. But if you go where I said, you'll see that you can just buy your way into the business. Not anywhere in their licensure packet does it mention that you need to be a black belt & they do in house instructor training. At least they do sparring so its not total garbage but none of their instructors are truly qualified.

>>217700
Against my wishes & because it's the only one in the area, my son goes to one of these schools, like that exact one. The instructor just opened the school, before this he was a truck driver. His only martial arts instruction has been from Red Dragon. My son is 6 has only been going a few months and has already been promoted once. I don't think they do traditional promotions either, they just put two pieces of yellow duct tape on the end of his belt lol.

>>217684
what did he mean by this

I don't understand this idea of "grading" and "tests" going on for hours and hours, how much time does it take to see if someone is punching the air in front of the mirror properly or not?
and why is there even a "testing" day, why isn't the teacher watching all the time

>>217725
Depends a lot in the dojo but in my Dojo which is Shito-Ryu the tests involves this(in order):
1- Physical exam, is basically push ups, jogging, abs, planks, etc to see if you're fit
2- Goshindo: they must perform all the Bunkais of the Goshindo with all the way to their belt
3- Karate: Kihon, Katas and Bunkai in group were all the students taking the exam do the movements from the White Belt to his current belt. For example, a Blue Belt must do all the katas, kihon and bunkai all the way to their own Kyu. After that they must do individually a Kata and Bunkai of their current Kyu.
4- Kumite
5- Kobudo in this one the student chooses a weapon and must choose and perform the Kata and Bunkai of their current level (individually)
6- Theory and Vocabulary: basically the sensei or a instructor performs a technique and must answer asks name of the technique, if was performed in Gedan, Chudan, Jodan in what position (Moto Dachi, Zenkutsu dachi, Shiko Dachi etc)
One can fail the test by:
-Having overall poor performance
or by one of the circumstances of immediately failure:
-forgetting to bring your own weapon (isn't allowed to borrow or use one of the Dojo)
-Injuring the partner in the Bunkai
-Being three times in a row hit in the Bunkai of Karate, being hit once in the Bunkai of Kobudo
-Dropping the weapon in the Kobudo Kata or Bunkai
-Poor Performance in the Kumite (losing the match for a difference of 10 point of more)

>>217725
It would surprise you the amount of people that performs incredible in the trainings but crumbles to pressure in the tests, if they can't handle the pressure of test they can't handle the pressure of competition or worst case scenario a real fight.

>>217725
You are supposed to demonstrate that you know and can perform effective techniques under pressure. Hope this helps.

>>217730
Very nice breakdown, nta, but thank you.

>>217730
So, I'm this guy>>217702
Does your dojo do kids as young as 6? Whats the promotion like for them if they do? I just don't want my kid growing up with this garbage, then jumping into a real dojo and having his world rocked & clock cleaned so if I can supplement his instruction I will. If its bad enough I'll bite the bullet, pull him out and travel further if need be.

>>217733
>>217748
if they're getting nervous under pressure then it means they haven't been stress inoculated, which means they aren't sparring in class

>>217757
Not quite, sparring in a normal training class doesn't has the same vibe of a test or competitive kumite since there is no stakes

>>217730
Is there an alternative test where you can just beat the shit out of a higher ranker

>>217757
r u retarded?

>>217340
Uechi-Ryu here as well, a lack of Kumite is really unfortunate. Kumite is like the most important part of Karate I feel.

>>217284 (OP)
Which Grappling martial art should I learn to complement my Karate? because so far as I understand most of the techniques of Karate are thought to try to execute a grapple, joint-lock or submission.
No BJJ is too expensive in my country (even more than fucking fencing, I mean WTF?)

>>217845
Judo or wrestling.

>>217845
sumo

>>217284 (OP)
>Does anyone else find the obsession with finding "mcdojos" annoying and counter productive?
The only thing that would change this is if there was a full-contact competitive format that karateka mostly agreed on, like Karate Combat or the old American Kickboxing rules. Without that, you won't have a large enough stable of competent fighters to reign in the bullshit. But until then, people that are fundamentally incompetent coaches will continue to operate because there's nothing to hold them against.

Either the WKF gets its shit together and writes better rules, or there's another competitive ruleset that everyone agrees is "karate" and trains for.

anybody see the video where the girl tries to get a taekwondo black belt in 90 days?

and it sorta is a grim reminder that in order to get a black belt in karate all you pretty much need is a background in dance, and as long as you learn the routines punching and kicking at the air you can do it

really gay

>>217875
i call karate my dance class at this point. I don't think there's kumite until brown belt. Really considering kickboxing.

>>217875
>>217886
If true, sucks for you, but not all dojos are like that & honestly you come off as blackpill fags.
>>217874
>there was a full-contact competitive format that karateka mostly agreed on, like Karate Combat or the old American Kickboxing rules
>Karate Combat
>WKF(kumite)
>USAIKF(full-contact)
>WKA(full-contact)
There are, you even listed one, the fuck are you on about? There are good dojos & bad ones. This applies to every type of gym/martial arts. There are MMA gyms that are glorifies aerobics studios that never compete or ones being run by total fucking failures with shit practices. This doesn't need to & can't be fixed with a set of rules. It is a result of consumers looking for that experience on purpose. Mcdojos exist because there are people who pay for them. Believe it or not martial arts, karate include, exists on a spectrum & some people want everything except full contact. IMO a mcdojo is only the ones that lie about the level of competency they're teaching.

>>217887
For me, uniforms are the first red flag I need to see to know it'll be shit
Impractical silly costumes with no function
>muh tradition
Wrong.

>>217875
Average ballet dancer is fitter than average karateka

Which is the difference between Kickboxing and Full-Contact Karate? I mean in the end a Full-Contact Karate ends ups using the close range Tsukis and Uchis that the equivalent of a Jab, Hook, Cross and Uppercut but are not typically seem in tournaments since the mid-long distance of the Kumite

Are Maegeri Jodan still banned? I dropped Karate and went to KickBoxing but I getting old and I can't handle the punishment of Full Contact anymore so I was thinking return to Kumite

>>217875
I regularly get beaten up in kumite (Shotokan) and my sensei flat out told me 2 weeks ago "You're not getting promoted until you start doing better and winning in kumite". And I'm almost always pitted against brown belts in our dojo. I just train more, try to do better in kumite (comparing old kumite videos to now seems like I am) against the senpais (and still end up getting my ass kicked). Honestly it's scary and exciting as fuck at the same time.

>>217887
Case in point, a bunch of tiny and fractured federations.

>There are MMA gyms that are glorifies aerobics studios that never compete or ones being run by total fucking failures with shit practices
There are BJJ clubs that are borderline aikido, but the acceptance of IBJJF and NAGA puts an upper limit on the grappling bullshido you can get away with.

>can't be fixed with a set of rules
It's about, as a culture, agreeing on a competitive format because ultimately people train for the sport. The fractured karate federations and the point-full contact divide make this hard.

K-1 (yes, I know started with karateka) and Thai rules don't have this problem, and are much healthier for it. Karate's decline is in no small part due to its own politics and culture.

>>217914
>IBJJF
>puts an upper limit on the grappling bullshido

It is directly responsible for it

>>217907
Sounds cool. Are you part of JKA?
Is anyone here part of JKA

How did TKD become more legitimate? I live in the worst possible timeline. We were making fun of TKD as kids.

>>217945
Because at least they care about it as a cultural heritage, there's a master Lees and a master Kim's in every town
Karate has been abandoned and left to white boomers to just make shit up as they go

>>217889
>uniforms are the first red flag
You're a fag in case you didn't know.

>>217963
It serves no purpose

>>217905
Most people I know don't do maegeri jodan's whilst sparring, they will in competitions, but occasionally people with really good control will do them whilst sparring

>>217653
I did it 'Nons....

>>217875
>This girl got a black belt in TKD
>karatebros is it over
anon.........

>>217874
Anon you know Kyokushin exists right?

>>217993
Tkd is karate, there's no distinction aside from Korean insecurity making them change the language
Many of the forms are lifted directly 1:1 from shotokan

>>217996
Also, this is an extraordinary circumstance, most karate organisations I know require you to be reccomended for your black belt exam, and my organisation requires 6 months between first and second brown belt, and then a year between second brown and shodan. The interesting part about the video to me was the time required for grading. I've done many kyu exams which took over two hours, but in one part of the video she comments that her red belt exam is "long" because it will be almost an hour.

>>217996
>Many of the forms are lifted directly 1:1 from shotokan
Total bullshit.

>>218016
https://youtu.be/Ot-rBhiIUKs?si=2TN4AVvUMTvX6R3Y

https://youtu.be/SFxfnjBYmv8?si=mnE-9lp3Oz-AZw7A

>>218016
https://youtu.be/ZpzJMdcQCBI?si=W0V7i4CUcJ-mIm-g

https://youtu.be/tXPZFarJMh0?si=JdGnaoNWyZW_XGQY

completely different and distinct martial arts right here, see you can tell because the girl aims her kick up and the guy aims his kick down. That's how you know korea invented taekwondo as a totally home grown martial art that coincidentally showed up after the japanese occupation and uses their uniform and ranking system
it's indigenous though, the korean government says so

>>218031
Many martial arts share many similarities. You could do that same kind of comparison between half a dozen different styles. If your going to be a faggot with your logic like this you may as well call Karate kung fu. Taekwondo was influenced by Japanese occupation but it didn't come from it retard. The overwhelming majority of Taekwondo was inherited from Taekkyon.
>Taekkyon established by 668 C.E.
>Shotokan eatablished by 1938.
That's a 1,270 year difference you fucking retard. To claim it's a 1:1 transfer from Shoto is fucking next level stupid & ignores how much of Taekwondo massively fucking predates it. If you knew FUCK ALL about japanese martial arts, you would realize they jacked almost everything from other countries.
>tl;dr: you got it backwards dipshit.

>>218051
Nah, that's Korean revisionism there

Japan occupied Korea, Korea picked up a Japanese hobby
Simple as

>>218055
>>218051
>>218031
>>218017
>>218016
>>217996
Korean-American here, it's true. Reading A Killing Art: The Untold History of Taekwondo.

The 9 kwans (schools) which would later form TKD and Tang Soo Do all have documented evidence that its founders trained in these 3 karate styles:

- Shotokan (General Choi even blatantly plagiarized Funakoshi's book on Shotokan because he felt it was fair game that Japanese copied Korean and Chinese culture for centuries so he decided it was okay for Koreans to do the same)

- Shito Ryu

- Shudokan

And in Tang Soo Do's case, the founder received training in Northern Chinese styles so that was a case of blending Chinese, Japanese/Okinawan, and Korean into 1.

I don't think much of most karate or kenpo either, but there's some nifty stuff they have like toe kicks that Uechi Ryu has or the thumb punch that Okinawan schools practice. Not to mention close-quarters grappling (mainly bone-breaking grabs and throws) that Okinawan styles had called tuite or toide.

And of course Japanese knockdown karate like Kyokushin, World Oyama, Ashihara, World Oyama, Seidokaikan, Shidokan, Daido Juku/Kudo (but they kinda became MMA-esque), etc. are definitely worthy of respect.

But if you're gonna learn an Asian striking style, I'd advocate Muay Thai. I do like Sanda/Sanshou because their kick catches are very nifty to use.

>>218055
You're a faggot retard who only knows how to argue using reductive logic. Just stfu dude.
>>218059
This is part of the reason why getting obsessed with a styles lineage or where what came from & using that as a way to put it down is peak fucking retarded. There are hardly any styles that are uninfluenced by others and any style that truly is standalone usually fucking sucks cause it hasn't been tested against anything but itself.
>Muay Thai
I like it but man I hate striking with my joints. I can wear my knuckles and toes bloody & not give a shit but something about joint pain really fucks with me & even with spot on form it can donk you up sometimes. Then again I'm getting on in years. My knees swell just after using them on a heavy bag a few times.

>>218064
I'm mainly a boxer who knows how to throw hard low kicks. So I'm almost like a Dutch kickboxer but boxing is my bread-and-butter. I can slip, bob & weave, use footwork, string combinations, etc. But I also can throw cut kicks or foot sweep. The only other kicks I know is the fouette (only when I wear shoes since it's a toe kick to the midsection) because I met a Savateur who taught it to me as well as teeps (from my muay coach) and the Sanda-style side kick stamp (from a Chinese dude I sparred with). I only kick with the shin or heel (never with the ball or instep unless it's a soft area where I won't get injured badly).

I've been meaning to learn how to use knees and elbows but kinda wary of getting injured during practice.

>>218051
>Taekkyon
>The reconstructed martial art that had no living practitioners until the 80s
Nonsense, Taekwondo came from Tang Soo Do, which also means Chinese hand. Tang refering to the Tang Dynasty of China. All modern Taekkyon is essentially historical reconstructions of what they believe it MIGHT have been like. If anything modern Taekkyon has more TKD in it than the vice versa.

>>218064
I've demonstrated TKD and karate have
The same forms
The same ranking system
The same clothing
The matching timeline
And now we have the admission they just copied it

You're just sticking your fingers in your ears about it
TKD is a karate style and that's all there is to it

I realize it's a running gag on the internet for Koreans to say they invented everything first, but it's just a joke bro

>>218059
>General Choi even blatantly plagiarized Funakoshi's book on Shotokan because he felt it was fair game that Japanese copied Korean and Chinese culture for centuries so he decided it was okay for Koreans to do the same
Normally I don't like gooks, but this is kinda based.

>>218051
>Using C.E.
Jew

>>218401

>>218401
Are you retarded? Why would Jews be FOR the use of CE?

>no good dojo near me
Feels bad

>>218514
>prokyokushin has made his watermark absolutely massive because karate combat were stealing his videos
Damn, that kid got obliterated, wonder how the winnger got along in that tournament.

>>218514
retards should try keeping their hands up
it baffles me how absolutely inept these people are at fighting while still insisting they're good at it

>>218451
To answer that, look up what the talmud says happened to Jesus

>>218549
Lad that was the under 22's division, and that kid was a green belt, so there's a chance he had only been fighting/training for maybe 3-4 years.

>>218551
that's long enough to get a pro card in MMA

>>218552
MMA has no amatuer division like boxing or even exams like boxing, or belt exams like Kyokushin so I don't see how that has any bearing on a fresh faced 18 year old getting knocked out

>>218399
It comes off as cringe. This is why I can't stand Korean nationalists who insist judo and karate are actually Korean.

>>218559
Everyone gives kyokushin a pass for some reason because it's "rough" but it's one of the most useless impractical styles there is, everything is a bad habit
A 6 week boxer wouldn't have even been hit by that because at least he has his hands and chin in the right place and his sport doesn't even have kicking

>>218608
>inexperienced teenager gets knocked out by a very experienced karateka
>kyokushin is a useless impractical style
what did he mean by this?

>>218636
https://youtu.be/HQSVN_bj_jE?si=bCz6c4WY-KWHUaxx

>>218637
what did he mean by this?

>>218638
certainly you can see the problem that this guy who has clearly never seen a takedown in his life is pulling shit out of his ass to teach people how to defend against one

and this is the problem, instead of just admitting the style is full of baloney and learning tried and true grappling techniques to deal with the scenario he's inventing, he's doing some fruity kata stances that nobody has any evidence of ever working ever in history

like nigga if a guy is humping your legs like that literally just push down on the back of his head and casually walk backwards
he doesn't even know the most basic elementary school wrestling techniques there are and he's gonna teach people about "self defense"

>>218641
what has that got to do with the spinning heel kick KO?

>>218642
it has to do with kyokushin being perceived as a rough and tumble respectable fighting style when it's obviously as BS as every other pajama art

>>218643
>inane schizo ramblings

>>217996
Original Taekwondo seems like it was. Ohdokwan definitely was. Can’t speak directly for the other eight original kwans, as I’ve never trained them, but the footage I’ve seen looks similar. ITF hasn’t moved that far away either, apart from Sine Wave.

WT is something distinct at this point. Still a form of karate, but it’s not shotokan anymore.

I hate and love Jesse Enkamp at the same time

>>218736
this grift really rubbed me the wrong way

>>218736
He is a russian roulette of karate and martial art in general 50% states something truth 50% is utter bullshit

>>218643
>kyokushin
>as BS as every other pajama art
You're fucking retarded. In terms of transferability to combat sports MMA/UFC kyokushin is probably the most respected style of karate there is.
>GSP
>Silva
>Rutten
>Machida
>Filho
>Feitosa
Those are just the fighters off the top of my head that had a background in KK before going pro. Swear to god any faggot that uses the phrase "pajama art" is a peak poser who has zero fucking clue how many of the GOATs started in & deeply respect the traditional arts. GSP would fucking use kata to warm up in the ring. Stfu retard.

>>218641
>I could totally take fingers in my eyes and hammer fists to my neck like its nothing
>its totally unbelievable that someone would go for a leg takedown like that
>i could totally just walk backwards with someone locked around my knee
This is what you sound like, a retard.

>>218608
>muh boxing
Acting like there aren't wet behind the ears rooks that get over confident & let something slip through. Watch the video over again dipshit. His hands & chin were positioned right, but he got cocky and had no resolve behind his guard. If you're going to be some sort of armchair expert you could atleast put some effort into your analysis.

>>218814
please don't argue the merits of grappling when you obviously don't know how to do it

and judging from the last few comments in here there's no helping any of you
karate deserves to be the joke people see it as

>>218608
Do that in most generic "Muay Thai" kickboxing schools, and coach would be yelling at you.

>>218608
I think there's more merit to the shotokan and TKD points guys. You at least see that working for guys like Thomspon and MVP, and you'll see people pull it out situationally.

You look at Kyokushin guys putting up footage that is supposed to make them look good, and you see guys that are just going to get eaten alive with leg and head kicks from your bog standard MT guy; and who lack the evasiveness of the point fighters.

>>218738
Hecho en Switzerland

>>218842
it says pakistan

>>218826
>not an argument
>>218835
>implying KK doesn't train head kicks
Bunch of armchair warriors in here with zero training.

>>218807
Machida was very publicly a shotokan guy. Anderson Silva is TKD and Muay Thai.

>>218844
I know, it's a very old /k/ joke.

>>218835
>Merit to MVP
he got molested by Storley for nearly 30 minutes lmao

I'm discouraged as fuck with Uechi-Ryu. Long post incoming.
>Has all the hallmarks of Chinese martial arts, including bullshido "one hit kills' horseshit which means no sparring that really
>Kata includes what is being interpreted as throws, locks, holds with 0 pressure testing or actual application of grappling. This somehow makes it more practical.
>Toe kicks, one knuckle punches, knife hand shit, thumb knuckle punches all trained for technique but are not actually usable without years of conditioning that'll leave you unable to do anything but use your hand as a club
>Canned kumite sequences includes blocks and strikes that aren't practiced in kihon and seem copy-pasted from other styles (examples like chambering the opposite hand at the waist but never actually doing that)
>Stance is nock-kneed kung fu hands bullshit
>Small amount of usable techniques and exclusively low kicks attract fat old faggots who think martial arts is a Bruce lee movie

Ahh yes, the most practical okinawan karate style, training for strikes and throws we can't actually use in a stance nobody actually uses in live sparring (if you can find a dojo that actually does). I'm really considering just going to Shotokan. At least there would be a workout.
I should've seen the red flag of it being the closest to it's kung fu ancestor. Okinawan karate is trash. If you are considering it for anything other than it's artistic cultural value: don't.

>>218875
You should've at least learned the conditioning exercises and Sanchin before going to Shotokan. Please tell me they at least taught you their hojo undo.

>>218881
Sanchin I know, yes. The conditioning exercises are a Google away.

>>218845
KK doesn't seem to train guys to keep themselves from getting kicked in the head.

>>218882
>Taught the open hand and finger stuff techniques
>They didn't teach the conditioning exercises
What the fuck? I wouldn't be surprised if you said you did Shotokan. I do Shotokan and I had to learn hojo undo in my free time. Also
>No sparring
Why? I thought they'd at least do what Shinjo-sensei with what looks like JKA sparring but with gloves.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3UBaO2tCEc&t=300s

>>218885
I don't do Shotokan yet, I'm going to check out a dojo Monday. Im a green belt in Uechi.
>No sparring
Notice whenever there is a spar they look like Shotokan fighters. You can find the proper Uechi stance online, but then you'll see them bust out a head kick, also not within the style.
>Teach technique but not conditioning
Yes, it's true. What good is a one knuckle punch that only works when the bone is conditioned, but then don't teach the conditioning? Why would you even want to condition in this way if it'll be a significant drawback in your life? It's just a circle of stupid. Okinawan karate is trash. At least Japanese karate (non knockdown styles) are honest about it being a gym class.

>>218885
Also same anon, I really like this video, but this isn't the type of conditioning you'll find outside of... this dojo. This guy is really an outlier that all the Uechi guys will talk about like he's our Mas Oyama.
You don't want Kiyo's hands, but they are necessary to do the "practical" thumb knuckle punches and other horseshit. Too much Chinese influence to be good. This iron shirt shit is only good if your whole life is karate.

>>218807
LMAO now imaging if GSP learnt muay thai instead kyokushin, he would be able to crush two Khabibs at same time. (Also, when he was A COMPETING ADULT, who was ABLE TO CHOOSE what to learn, he worked with some crazy french muay thai fighter, not with some LMAO 5th dan kyokushin sensei).
Kyokushin is rubbish, I say it as someone who trained it for 2 years both in IKO1 and IFK.
>>218875
Shotokan and more generally WKF/JKA karate is the only based karate style. Kyokushin is just castrated kickboxing. Shotokan/WKF/JKA is unique style which is really closer to fencing than to kyokushin considering it's value of rapid distance management. Distance management is one of THE MOST IMPORTANT striking skills, and kyokushin doesn't train this at all. Lot of people say that you should just cross train in muay thai/kickboxing to overcome the shittiness of kyokushin, but you better do shotokan and cross train in kickboxing because in case with kyokusin everything you learn in kickboxing/muay thai is sort of covers everything you learn in kyokushin, while shotokan would bring additions to your skills

>>218887
>>218888
I actually started with Bajiquan before ending up with Karate (did Muay Thai and dabbled with Kyokushin). I kinda hated the fact that we didn't spar in Bajiquan (even the fucking Muay Thai coach wouldn't let us spar) but I did learn some concepts from there that carried over to my karate now. The thing with high kicks. I noticed in all karate katas that there aren't really any high kicks, but in kumite you can do that. I remember my bajiquan shifu saying that in their taolu some kicks look high, but they're actually meant to be low kicks. High kicks in training is meant as just a way to exercise your legs for powerful kicks or something. Same as how stances in kata/taolu are exaggerated. Kumite isn't the main goal, but a part of training in my opinion, hence high kicks. You wouldn't try to kick someone in the face in a random ass fight IRL and they're like less than a meter from you and possibly with friends? And you wouldn't try to side kick your sparring buddy in the knee (that happened to me in a sparring match 3 weeks ago by accident though. It fucking sucked)?

>>218891
>Kyokushin is rubbish, I say it as someone who trained it for 2 years both in IKO1 and IFK.
>Shotokan and more generally WKF/JKA karate is the only based karate style.
I've been doing Kyokushin for years, met many shotokan/JKA people who have switched to Kyokushin and never looked back, you are probably the only person in the world with the opposite opinion.

>>218896
If KK was in my area, I'd do that instead. Nta btw.

>>218896
if I had to get two people ready for a fight I'd rather have the shoto every day of the week

you can take the skills they have and start teaching them how to work in combinations
kyokushin is a complete rebuild from the ground up, everything about it is wrong. There's nothing worth trying to salvage
maybe they can keep their ax kick, I'm being generous that the only thing I can think of is a weird niche technique

>>218913
>>218891
You're utterly fucking retarded and know fuck all about karate if you're putting shoto over kk. Your opinions aren't worth fuck all right now.

>>218913
>kyokushin is a complete rebuild from the ground up, everything about it is wrong
You really need to back this shit up with an explanation. It's an utterly fucking retarded statement considering how many pros have gone straight from KK to MMA with limited change in their training. Most just work in some grappling and call it a day.
>>218891
>he worked with some crazy french muay thai fighter
You say that like its support your bullshit notions. Watch any GSP fight, his KK roots are always apparent as fuck in his style. Yeah, he trained with muay thai, any good fighter cross trains and modulates their style over time, mostly just to have a better defense againsy it. But dont pretend like he studied MT then started fighting like a MT fighter, cause he didnt. You're literally just pulling shit out your ass in a tantrum against KK with no real explanations.

>>218922
I'm not sure how many videos we need to see of kyokushin sparring a kickboxer where they take one jab down the middle and crumple like they've never been hit before (they haven't)

The thing that makes you good at striking is the ability to hit someone and then not be there when he tries to hit you back
That's the game
Kyo just stand there shoulders square with their hands down and wing body shots from 2 inches away

>>218896
>met many shotokan/JKA people who have switched to Kyokushin and never looked back
They switched to kyoku to continue "practice karate", that's all
>>218921
>fart
>>218922
>his KK roots are always apparent as fuck in his style because... IDK it's just it!!! also your ass in a tantrum!!!!
LMAO ok

>>218922
>>218807
Just a reminder that top russian spotsmen of high rivalry sport of kyokushin were absolutley destroyed by literally whos of literally what sport (it was sanda) in the beginning of 2000's. Everyone including Osipov lost because of the reasons mentioned above - 0 distance management, 0 head protection. Sanda fighters also demolished some Royama's fighters in 2004. After that, Matsui, having better fighters than Royama, always refused to fight the Chinese. And after that some cringe redditors of r/kyokushin dare writing "Yeah, we are practicing head defence, we just don't compete with head punches".
Kyokushin. Is. Rubbish.

Yeah GSP was never known for being a great technician, it was always his work ethic and ability to transition to between the feet and the floor

We take it for granted now because everyone has thet skill but during his era he was at the top with his ability to change the engagement
It's not that he was the best at any particular skill, but he was able to identify where he was better than his opponent and move the fight to where he held the advantage better than anyone

>>218933
Muh thai fighters 60 years ago
Muh bull wrestling
Muh shaved eyebrows
Muh bare knuckle but the only legal place to punch is covered with overlapping heavy canvass

>>218952
>Yeah GSP was never known for being a great technician
What is this revisionist crap. GSP was always known for being a great technician on top of his ability to dictate engagements.

>>218954
he got caught on the feet by that meatball matt serra because he left his chin hanging out
matt serra who trust me is much smaller than you realize, he's billed at 5'6" but closer to 5'5" and his claim to fame being jiujitsu

>>218960
And he beat the absolute shit out of Matt Serra in the rematch. GSP was wilder earlier in his career, but by the end of it he had clean technique everywhere.

>>218913
Exactly, you can try to turn a shotokan competitor into budget Wonderboy - and have a lot of film study and training sessions from the man himself. There's a blueprint there.

Everything I've seen of KK is a total rebuild for most kickboxing rules, and many kickboxers from other sports would clean up for a given skill level under KK rules.

>>218913
Anon...

>>218875
Same anon checking in. I started at a shotokan dojo that is way more technique and kumite focused. I've been shown kata once in 3 classes and honestly it feels so much better. The teachers show you the "why" of certain things and makes my Uechi class look like old man's dance class.
If you are in the Rhode Island area, it's called NEMAD (New England Martial Arts Dojo) and I feel thankful as fuck that it's here.
I'm positive there's good Uechi places, mine just wasn't one of them.

why is Mas Oyama "worshipped" in Japan, but guys like pic related, who were also amazing fighters, are much more obscured?
is it some weird anti-okinawa\ anti-china nationalism thing ,and kyokushin is the "pure japanese" art?

>>219825
Who

I am trying karate for the first time this month, wish me luck. I arranged to do classes for one week at a kung fu place and then karate the next week. Going to see which I prefer.

>>219825
Everyone knows who Chojun Miyagi is, dumb fuck.

>>219825
Because Goju-Ryu was like one of the softest fucking styles in existence. It's what karate kid/Mr. Miyagi is based on, specifically for his philosophy of using martial arts primarily for self-improvement/defense & spiritual development. It's more kata & hojo undo than anything else. It's basically old school fitness karate.
>amazing fighter
There is pretty much zero record of this besides demonstrations. There is one story of him encountering a gang, but the way the legend goes he didn't even fight, he "intimidated" the gang into backing off, in other words, it's 100% bullshit. Goju-ryu has produced a few fighters but they all sucked ass and there are no Goju champs.
>tl;dr: Goju sucks, KK has gotten world champs started.

>>219955
The fuck are you even talking about, all of the self flagellation retards love about kyokushin was taken directly from goju, except in kyokushin they've decided to take it a step further and don't even bother learning how to actually fight
Just stand there with your hands down directly in front of your enemy and let him hit you
That's not "hard" its retarded

>>219955
I'm not that anon, but I don't give a fuck about Kyokushin muh champions. The more I read about karate the more I'm convinced that Anko Itosu and his students like Funakoshi started the whole morality stuff. Even the masters during the late 1800s and early 1900s are fucking insane. Chotoku Kyan encouraged his students to go whoring, drinking, and get into fights. Motobu Choki did exactly that. Their teachers aren't any better. Fuckin Sokon Matsumura made Chinto kata from learning kung fu from a literal pirate who steals crops. Sakugawa Kanga tried to push an old dude into the river for the lolz. It can be argued that Mas Oyama was also carrying this tradition of martial douchebaggery when he supposedly picked fights with US military police.

>>219976
biggest fraud of his era, not sure why he's worshipped by so many
he's the helio gracie of karate, tried to put his mark on something other people developed by making it objectively worse, only took challenges he knew they could win and otherwise stayed in their little safe space bubble, and generally just defrauded people with fake claims

It baffles me how anybody can watch that obviously fabricated and poorly edited bull video and take anything else the guy has to say as valid
that alone puts him in the same category as the frank duxs of the world

>>219979
Frank Dux could kill you with a single touch, kiddo

Nothin personnel

>>219979
Not a Kyokushin guy (I do shotokan BUT Kyokushin was got me into karate), but now that you've mentioned it. Yeah, Oyama's adventure lore does sounds too fantastical compared to le epic prankster, bros with a pirate, or bar brawling whoremonger (who won against a foreigner in boxing and ragdolled Funakoshi). Seriously, living for a year in the mountains and doing hardcore training probably with meager rations (is that even possible?) and the bullfight thing.

>>219983
What kind of training did he even do by himself? Didn't wanted to stop to ask that question?

What did he do go for hikes and punch trees or something?
Besides anyone who has done any kind of long term subsistence living you're too busy spending your days chopping firewood, gathering water, looking for food to do any kind of serious exercise
The lifestyle itself is physically demanding you wouldn't be doing hard workouts too

>>219983
>>219984
supposedly he had a guy come every now and then, and drop rations for him. even so, it's weird.

>>220048
Sounds to me like he was a homosexual and used "karate training" as an excuse to retreat to a cabin in the mountains with other men where nobody would get suspicious and bother him

>>219955
>>219976
crazy how a guy shaped like a pot could kill most men with a well-placed punch

>>220051
It's called a power belly

I've tried 3 dojos near me and none of them seemed right for me. Running out of options

>>220056
Where are you located? I know what you mean, though. I've lived in places with absolute dogshit karate.

If the teachers white the karate ain't right

>>220067
I had a white karate teacher and he was super legit, but he definitely wasn't your average weaboo suburban teacher.

He was one of those old school American full contact karate/early kickboxing guys (ala Benny the Jet/Bill Superfoot Wallace/etc.) with multiple fights and several black belts in various disciplines. He was the closest I've ever seen to the stereotypical wizened old master who could beat guys much younger than him. Only he wasn't a barely ambulatory 90 year old Chinese man. Dude was fit as fuck, could pass for a guy in his 30s when he was pushing 60, yet still could headkick faster than I could react.

Is there a bigger cope on the internet than this channel?

https://youtube.com/@karatebreakdown?si=lmE6dfYSuZD2wdLY

Erm akshually everything is karate

>>220048
>>220050
>supplies every now and then
What kind of supplies? He still has to gather water, filter, and purify that. What kind of supplies is he getting? I can't imagine getting canned goods is good for you and training for that long. If not that, he'll still have to pickle vegetables and salt and cure the meat. Unless all he ate are potatoes, rice and kimchi like the gook he is.
>Making barrels of kimchi in your jungle hut with disciple bro
>Outhouse is overflowing because you both had the shits lately because he forgot to purify and filter the water 2 weeks ago
>"Bruh, no soap in the supply drop this month"
>Imagine the smell
I'd leave too.

I remember reading an article from some old martial arts magazine here, a local kung fu master (Wuzuquan) said that the fewer taolus (katas) you know, the better because you'll actually be able to actually master the techniques in it. Then I remember actual dojos in Okinawa only practice no more than 10 katas, less even. I thought it's already insane that in Shotokan (my style) has 26 katas, then I found out that Shito-ryu has mind boggling 90 something katas. How the fuck are you supposed to learn them all in its entirety?

Why is there so much touching in karate? I visited a dojo and for warmups they were frequently working with partners. I don't like touching strangers but I want to participate in classes.

>>220144
it was always part of the plan

>>220161
I think you went to a Mexican Ground Karate dojo. Yeah they do a lot of touchy feely shit there.

>>219983
>>219979
>>219976
>>219959
Not a single shred of truth or anything remotely provable. You fags can say whatever dumb obviously made up shit you want. Doesn't change the fact that KK has produced more pro fighters and everything all you faggots mentioned was ancient ass wholly undocumented bullshit. I'm sure Oyama staged & exaggerated shit, don't fucking care. More real modern fighters than any other style trumps any stupid faggot cope you can pull out your ass. Facts. But this is a stupid faggot fucking jizz gargling dead board filled with a bunch of contrarion dick riders just looking to champion some dumb shit style aint no one worth a damn learned fuck all from in decades or more. You're all as fucking useless as hema faggots, for real.

>>220176

>>220181
What's unique compared to other styles? Nothing, and you're fucking stupid.

>>220183
you literally can't punch to the head, the entire style completely neglects the most common attack so it's worthless

"but in a real situation I'd protect my head"
no you wont, you will always fall to the level of your training and you're going to drop your hands and eat stiff left right now the middle you never saw coming because you never prepared for it and not know what to do

>>220176
>Kyokushin produced lot of pro kyokushin fighters
wow, I wonder how

Is the AAU legitimate? I am considering a dojo and they seem to compete there frequently. (At least one student also does WKF too)

Morbidly obese man spends 1 hour doing mental gymnastics about how doing 16 piece combinations against someone standing still is practical and useful

>>220176
>KKK has produced more pro KKK fighters
And "Mom" when spelled backwards is "Mom".

>>220186
>>220287
Cute but no, KK has produced more pro fighters in general. Of all the UFC/Pride/etc fighters with Karate backgrounds, most are from KK but go ahead and keep coping. That's totally working for you.

>>220299
>KK has produced more
More than who or what where or in what? Because KK produced absolutley insignificant amount of pro fighters in UFC compared to lets say BJJ or wrestling. I wouldn't even say KK produced more pro UFC fighters than WKF/JKA/kickboxing style karate. Who produced KK in UFC? StPierre who did it as a kid and has nothing related to KK in his style and trained muay thai with muay thai coach? Bas Rutten who trained taekwondo and boxing prior to KK and muay thai after?

>>220307
>coping by pivoting to an entirely different style of martial art
>coping by pivoting to governing bodies, not styles
Just sad at this point.

>>220343
>fart
ok

>>220343
I suppose I'll ask you to provide anybody that practiced kyokushin in this current millenium and effectively crossed over to win by using it in other combat sports

Would you guys recommend karate as a beginner ? I am trying to decide to start karate or kung fu. It will mostly be for fitness, not competition.

>>220483
I'd just do kickboxing, it's the most cardio intensive
the asian martial arts spend a lot of time with you just standing there having an old man talk about moves instead of actually doing them

>>220067
White guy karate is the most powerful form, look at Semmy Schlit or Rico Verhoeven

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udDEOfdRjUY
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmQo3JZZV2k
not being edgy here, serious question: is this guy a retard\making students unable to fight within 2 years , OR are his methods legit KK methods which every non-cucked dojo uses\used to do? He's named Andrey Kochergin..a russian once told me he got fucked up in a gas station fight\ his students did very bad at K-1. however many comments say he was part of an spetnaz (common noun;special unit of any given branch) Army unit.
He cuts himself kinda deep just to show how he stitches himself, dunno if retarded psycho or real G

>>221020
Here I found an account, by a former student of his
>https://dzen.ru/a/Y4ZG3rxTEQHDpmOS
his wooden knife+karate tournament
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCsPHHccdcY
BTW there's Sergey Badyuk, related\friends with the andrey guy. Is he legit\ real national KK legend, or a grifter?
(or WAS he legit? he is definitely a grifter now, actor with steven seagal, entered bodybuilder competition, works for pro-ukraine war pro-putin TV promos, etc)
russian KK subculture is wild

>>221020
>this gi was white when I bought it
Wtf

>>220436
>I'll ask you to provide anybody that practiced kyokushin in this current millenium and effectively crossed over to win by using it in other combat sports
Like half of the entire Japanese kickboxer population qualifies.

>>221020
I already wrote once about him in previos karate threads. Kochergin is full of shit. He is a bad fighter (was fucked up by regular kyokushin black belt) and bad coach (his sportsmen did bad in all competitions). Also, there is no such particular thing as spetsnaz in Russia. You has a lot of army units that can have their own spetsnaz. Even military train units have their spetsnaz that are not this imaginary unstoppable special forces that kill enemies with one punch. In Russia, if some martial artist says he is part of spetsnaz this is 100% marker of bullshido. Real fighting coaches like Max Dedik are laugh at Kochergin. After Kochergin was beaten and ineterst to his style started lowering Kochergin turned to religion, Orthodoxy and some esoteric shit. I don't know if he trains now

>>221026
>BTW there's Sergey Badyuk, related\friends with the andrey guy. Is he legit\ real national KK legend, or a grifter?
He is a grifter. He has nickname "Master of sports of all sports". This is reference to sport ranking system in soviet countries where one of highest ranks was master of sports. This is very hard to achieve. And Badyuk claims he has millions of master of sport ranks in sports where it is hard to check or he says he get them in times when it wasn't registered. So he says he is master of sports in powerlifting, girevoy sport, armlifting, hand-to-hand combat and others.
Badyuk has this one recorded fight with a TV producer and sport journalist who was like 20 kg lighter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb2T8zPNObs&ab_channel=PAIN%26GAIN

Kyokushin/karate guys were beating muay Thai /kickboxing guys in a lot of those legs kick (power slap style) matches that were on YouTube lately

Really made me wonder is karate that bad. People always say karate is bullshido and doesn't work but these guys were smashing up the "street cred" styles and taking lots of punishment without flinching

>>221233
Yes, you understood everything absolutely correctly, the only way kyokushin guys can beat anyone is by using some cringe artificial challenges like leg kick matches or kyokushin sport ruleset

>>221233
Would you consider English shin kicking to be a good martial art?

>>221266
Okay cool makes sense I guess but made me feel like there's some benefit to karate I think them hitting some random thug would give him owchies


>>221360
I don't know what that is
>Googles it

Lmao. Tbh shin kicks hurt. I banged near my knee recently on a hard surface and realize how painful that would have been if someone kicked me

>>221020
This guy and his students would demolish anyone itt

>>221545
I live in Belarus and fought some of them. Imagine kyokushin lack of distance management and multiply it by 10. They suck.

>>221020
Wow, impressive LMAO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZnDEmCmT44&ab_channel=Alexey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAOQ7iT3D8s&ab_channel=nasta32
It is especially funny when he tries to teach thai boxer his cringe upper cut technique

>>221565
>Friendly sparring means he can't fight
Yet you would cry and drop down into a fetal position if he hit you once

Curious

>>221558
These guys are doing full contact no glove sparring, that IS the pinnacle of unarmed combat. this isn't sports fighting with gloves and points.
Respect to them tbqh, a lot of form etc goes out the window without a ref and rules. This is way more realistic than light contact patty cake boxing/Thai sparring. Also gloves change a lot

>>221590
>>221591
Hi, Kochergin, is that you? Remember how we spat on your back and pissed in your briefcase? You also said something about absolute ruthlessness towards yourself? Remember how you started to get funny and bully me and I put you on your ass with a blow to the liver?

>>221591
If they so cool why they always get kicked by sportchads on the streets?
>a lot of form etc goes out the window without a ref and rules
wrong
>This is way more realistic than light contact patty cake boxing/Thai sparring. Also gloves change a lot
And why another spetsnaz guru (see the pattern here?) le deadly warrior Valery Maystrovoy of Sindo ryu Karate who regularly spars with no rules ditched fighting with regular sporstman Max Dzedzik? Because in reality the only thing you can learn in sparrings with no rules are some shitty bad habbits like leaning back and turning head off your opponent to protect your head. Sportchads can't stop winning.

>>221596
>spetsnaz guru (see the pattern here?) le deadly warrior Valery Maystrovoy of Sindo ryu Karate
in pic

>>221598
>>221596
the unholy trinity of spetnaz mcdojo gurus?
is this the equivalent of american "ex delta force" self-defense shooting courses guys? like dale comstock?

bare knuckle doesn't make fighting any more hardcore, it's been proven time and again the main thing gloves do is prevent cuts so there isn't blood everywhere

if you think inflicting minor abrasions signifies effective fighting you're kinda dumb

>>221595
>>221596
Strange Reddit cope. The training is too intense for you but this is the reason they would whoop your ass. They are used to taking and giving pain

>>221619
It is more realistic for real hand to hand combat, also bare knuckle boxing is a thing

Don't really know why you guys are getting so uppity and proud lmao. What are your credentials instead of Reddit tier mental gymnastics. The guys in that Russian video are clearly about that life and real fighting.

>B-b-but this famous sports fighter beat him!!!!!

Lol You're not that guy pal

>>221647
I could beat every one of them because my training time is spent effectively

I think Russia might be the biggest hotbed for fake martial arts

>>221647
>"Our training is so badass and intense we can whoop any ass!"
>proceeds to not whoop any asses
I wonder why it happens

>>221647
>B-b-but this famous sports fighter beat him
LMAO at "famous", Andrey Kurtiy (guy on the left here >>221595 ) is a noname. It's terrible to imagine what junior boxer with 6 months of expirience would do with all this spetsnaz gurus.

>>221619
The main things gloves do is protect your hands so you can swing as hard as you can with significantly less chance of breaking them.

>>221705
Consider two runners, One trains with shoes and one trains barefoot
The one that wears shoes will be leagues better than the one that doesn't because his workouts are more productive

>>221647
>You're not that guy pal
Yes, but it simply means you should train like the guy who beat them aka sportsman

>>221655
Your training time is spent coping
>>221687
And who are you? Have your ever actually had a fight?
>>221794
Reddit logic

>>221836
These guys need to toughen up and experience real violence, ofc a lifelong sports fighter will have speed etc but YOUR patty cake sparring isn't going to cut it. You will fold at the first bare knuckle punch that hits your eye socket

Those guys will at least have some familiarity with it, the actual brutality of violence

>B-but we dont train fighting to get hurt!!!!!

Lmao

>>221854
>And who are you? Have your ever actually had a fight?
Yes. Have you?

>>221854
>Those guys will at least have some familiarity with it
Punch to a liver will put you on ass no matter have you familarity with it or not, that's why those sport guys beat the shit out of le deadly bare knuckle spetsnaz warriors. I'm too lazy to even write about the rest, you're just an impenetrable moron

>>221854
>You will fold at the first bare knuckle punch that hits your eye socket
We have years of footage of kyokushin guys doing exactly this. Sportschads win again.

>>222026
Yeah I stopped trying, if he was talking about goju that's one thing because it's the most powerful form of karate but he's talking about a larp

>>222062
>A larp is being covered in blood from real fighting


Reddit logic

>>222096
we've already been over this, superficial abrasions doesn't mean effective fighting

>>217284 (OP)
is it true that a karate black belt can kill a canary with his bare hands?

>>222138
Probably

>>222062
>goju
>most powerful form of karate
Lolwut? Goju is more kata, bunkai, and hojo undo than anything else. They almost never spar.

>>222130
>Fighting bare fisted is less realistic than fighting with gloves

Found the larper

>>222312
Larping is thinking you can recreate "real" fight in training situation. Sports are better not because they are realistic or not realistic, but because they develop certain skills that can be utilized in fighting. That's why greco roman wrestlers are dangerous fighters despite the fact they don't learn how to grab people below waist and don't practice punches or kicks. But I'll bet all my money on a shitty greco roman wrestler against any spetsnaz bare knuckle warrior. Same with rugby players - they don't learn how to "fight" at all, but they are athletic, fast, understand how human bodies act when they collide at speed etc etc so any of them would be better fighter then those cringe spetsnaz warriors.

>>222322
You aren't a pro rugby player or Greco Roman champ my guy

>>222325
>fart

>>222335
>Proves anon right

>>222612
>shart

>>222322
I would add shot put throwers. Legends say they have devastating punches

>>222322
Eat shit. Ballet dancers would absolutely demolish your faggot heroes.

>>222790
Stop stealing my words

>silly karate gooks doing meme one knuckle fists
The superior scientific anglo would never do th-ACK

>>223264
Interesting where he got that from since in none of the pictures from the manuals he showed are they doing that

>>223264
Now for some Western-style kata
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VteTf07VRmU

>>223343
its unfortunate because this is where the nips got the idea from and instantly ruined karate by adopting it

>>223343
Already discussed two or three threads back. Also russians still to our days do katas at Maroon Beret Exam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNdLm4MR3no&ab_channel=SpecialForceRussian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O74Jq8-gsrw&ab_channel=SpecialForceRussian
They are learnt right before exams and never remembered again

>>223264
This is western ressentment to asian martial arts.
>This gooks have codified ritualized martial arts with all this strange blocks, different types of punches and cool screams, why do we have no such thing? All this stuff looks so cool in movies! Why our ancestors did not develop something as cool as this?
>but akshually......

>>223368
I have nothing against katas. I think they're essential in karate training anyways (specially when they're divided to "Tanren" and "Jissen" katas). I don't consider them "shadow boxing" though.
>Russian katas
Man, you can see the karate or TKD influence in them, and that's nice of them to include weapons in them. Although that first one looks like a weird Fukyugata 1 that's done lazily.

The more I read into Shotokan, the more I'm intrigued. Gichin Funakoshi and his son Gigo fuckin practiced kobudo (sai and bo). Gigo went as far as to make a kata specially for Shotokan style Bo. Funakoshi even knew throws and those weird hand-shape strikes. Even old clips from the 50's show them doing hojo undo methods. What the fuck happened? Why were weapons and hojo undo abandoned now? Also how different is Shotokai from the usual Shotokan?

>>223448
>Be Okinawan
>Get acquired by Japan
>cozy up to your new masters to win favor
>show them your okinawan martial arts
>They are unimpressed with the weapons and grappling
>we awredy know how to do dat
>yes my master, let me worship your balls and remove all except punches and kicks
>ye ye good pet
Wala, karate

>>223445
>I have nothing against katas.
I have verything against kata
>Man, you can see the karate or TKD influence in them
Yeah, no doubt

>>223523
>verything
*everything
fuck, one day I will learn to read my post before posting

>>223449
>"No, you can't have grappling and ground fighting! We have judo and jew-jitsu for that!"
>"No, you can't have weapons! We have kenjutsu, kendo, and other weapons arts for that!"
>"No, you can't all that at once! We have koryu martial arts for that!"
Jap autism diluted Karate. This is as disappointing as when I found out that most Judo schools don't even teach atemi waza because it's "too dangerous" and "not for sport" and shiet.

More Niponese autistic shenanigans:
>Japs try out this new Okinawan martial art called "Karate"
>It only has striking now thanks to Jap fuckery
>Jap students find it lacking
>Creates new arts like Nippon Kempo from Karate + Judo + old school Jiujitsu.

>What's everyones grades?
Orange belt
>Do you like kata?
yes
>Where do you buy your gi's from?
One of the instructors at my dojo recommended Kyokushinworld.com
>Does anyone else find the obsession with finding "mcdojos" annoying and counter productive?
My karate dojo won tournaments and my Judo dojo trained Olympic athletes.
I'm not worried about Mc.Dojos.

>What's everyones grades?
Black, but my instruction was informal. My Dad was a caretaker for a viet nam vet with serve epilepsy. The vet, Jerry Powers, during his service & time abroad had the opportunity to study Goju-Ryu during his many visits to Okinawa, he became a black belt. Dad & I lived with him and when he wasn't seizing on the floor he would reach me everything he knew about fighting. Which was more than just Goju, lotta boxing, but when we finally left, he said I knew & could do everything in Goju he could & more. Very karate kid esque.
>Do you like kata?
Yes
>Where do you buy your gi's from?
I have never used a gi. No shit, jerry trained me in jeans & a denim jacket. It was cheaper & bout as sturdy.
>Does anyone else find the obsession with finding "mcdojos" annoying and counter productive?
I think the uninitiated don't recognize the value in traditional martial arts. I think these same people don't underatand there is a difference between a fighter & a martial artist.

I promoted myself to black belt and just lie to everyone about it and nobody can tell the difference

> What's everyones grades?
Brown.
> Do you like kata?
Yes.
> Where do you buy your gi's from?
My sensei bought it for us. Now I don't use one anymore.
> Does anyone else find the obsession with finding "mcdojos" annoying and counter productive?
Yes. It's a mixed bag because on the one hand people should get what they pay for instead of some fraud but some retards think everything that is not their perfect ideal dojo is a McDojo and that is also very damagind.

>>223677
>perfect ideal dojo
And this, in general, means that if the dojo doesn't do hard sparring that allows hits to the head, it's a Mcdojo. Which I understand, sparring is where everything gets put together, it's the whole in action. But its a very small part of martial arts by itself.

>>224097
>>224022
Why not post stuff from karate combat?

>>224337
Most of the guys in Karate Combat aren't even from karate. They're failed shitty mma fighters or kickboxers.

>>224337
its unfortunately not even karate anymore, it used to be a requirement you had a black belt in karate. Now they'll just take anyone from any style that wants to participate so they're all kickboxers not good enough for the big leagues
they went from making karate more legitimate to being the final nail in its coffin. Oh you did muay thai? here put on this karate black belt

>>224346
>Oh you did muay thai? here put on this karate black belt
Unironically based

>Unironically
Based

>Reading Karate lore
>Bushi Matsumura, Itosu Anko's teacher, was a bit of a fightard and an asshole who commits animal cruelty
>Uses psychological warfare against another fightard
>Not above punching his own employer
>Also married a tomboy after kicking her in the balls repeatedly in a duel/sparring
>Also gets beaten up by said tomboy waifu during a prank gone wrong
>Itosu Anko may not be a lunatic like Matsumura or other masters, but he's not above breaking people's limbs, cock-kicking, and property damage
>No mention of le morality and le honor
Still a better and more believable story than going into the mountains for a year and doing le hardcore KKK training and fisting bulls. Also cock-kicking in karate. So Kudo did good by including crotch attacks in their sparring?

Has anyone seen somebody use a hurricane kick successfully in a full contact setting? I've seen high level karateka like Benny the Jet and Andy Hug throw the kick in kickboxing fights, but not actually land it.

>>225159

>>225159
>>225160
Another one in point fighting. Thrown, but didn't land.

Thoughts on Goju Ryu? There’s a TOGKF affiliated dojo near me that I want to try. The only other option for karate near me is a Shito Ryu dojo. Everything else is TKD.

Is Karate really this dead?

There's kobudo sparring now?
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoU_mb1Ssew

>>226045
Looks a bit.... lacking in technique desu.

>>224337
Post something good from karate combat that is clearly karate.

>>223368
Would genuinely be fun to get some assault rifles and practice a bo style kata with them. A long time ago when I used to fence, our instructor brought in some fencing AK bayonets he used in the Bulgarian army.

>>226151
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C5%ABkend%C5%8D

>>218514
Well, he shouldn't have had his guard down by his belly and a metre out in front.

>>226148
Baby steps. I want to see this develop to a proper weapons sparring sport for Kobudo.

>>225431
Update: did a two week trial, still sore from body conditioning. Going back next week.

I want to travel to Okinawa and stay from August - December to train Uechi-Ryu ("Pangai Noon").
Tell me whatever you feel I should know, and treat me like the retard I am

>>226019
/xs/ is a barely alive board to begin with and Karate is a barely alive martial art that exists as a museum piece from the 1980s in the minds of most people compared to other martial arts like Muay Thai and BJJ. This is also 4chan, where the average user doesnt have the discipline to practice an Eastern art or a real interest in Asia beyond gooning to Japanese comic books.

>>227410
Be prepared for beatings. Also maybe buy a bottle of good quality awamori (or a bag of mangoes) for your sensei as a gesture of respect and gratitude.

I want to work on strengthening my hands, but Im worried about inducing arthritis when Im 60.
I know certain techniques (barehand bagwork, jabbing a bucket of sand) arent near as taxing as say, trying to break bricks, but I was wondering if anyone here has any recommendations or info beyond the basic few things I already know.

>>227950
Dude just practice shadow boxing with light weights or do more push-ups. I'm a boxer and that's how you increase punching power and wrist strength.

>>227412
While I'm far from a Karate defender, I also think that's the biggest load of crap. There's a difference between strip mall McDojo karate and karate that actually involves bunaki and kumite with hard hits. Putting aside knockdown styles like Kyokushin and its derivatives, there's also the Okinawan styles like Uechi Ryu or Goju schools with their Irukumi that stress body conditioning and sparring.

I'm primarily a boxer and judoka. I thought all karate was useless until I met an older dude who had me gasping for air after receiving a well-placed toe kick to my solar plexus. Holy shit that hurt. I've been hit with Muay-style shin kicks but that's like a bludgeon; an Okinawan toe kick is like being hit with a pick axe with force. In a lot of ways, the proliferation of karate and kenpo was a mistake. It shouldn't be taught to little kids to earn belts, but an actual fighting art for anyone over the age of 18 and practicing actual hard conditioning and self-defense techniques.

Also while the vast majority of netizens here on 4chan are probably just LARPers and lazy slobs who've never been punched in the mouth or grappled, there's still a few knowledgeable members here and there.

>>227950
The Makiwara, bag of dried beans, bareknuckle/bare hands on a punching bag, a log, etc. Using reasonable amount of force then increasing the intensity gradually.
>Im worried about inducing arthritis when Im 60.
Do as the Chinese do. Use dit da jow afterwards. Soak and massage your hands in warm water (to open up your pores), dry and then rub/massage herbal liniment on it. Here's a boxer doing kung fu/karate hand conditioning to strengthen his knuckles.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVTbyV40Kzk&t=191s

>>227974
Who are you planning to toe kick in the street, you drug addict?
>I'm a boxer
How many competitions taken? Record?
>There's a difference between strip mall McDojo karate and karate that actually involves bunaki
Zero difference

>>227979
I'm just an amateur hobbyist. Not a pro. Too old for that (age 32).

And I still view boxing and judo as my bread-and-butter, but I picked up on Muay cut kicks, savate kicks, and the Okinawan toe kicks as useful tools to supplement. They're not a silver bullet to end a fight, but I got humbled like I said.

Go and spar against a Kyokushin karateka if you think they're a pushover. I made that mistake too and holy shit those guys can low kick HARD.

>>227981
>Go and spar against a Kyokushin karateka if you think they're a pushover.
Did kyokushin for two years. One year in IFK and one in IKO1. Competed once. Kyokushin is rubbish
>Not a pro
You don't need to be a pro to compete

>>227983
Yeah I know there's amateur competition, I took up boxing to get into shape when one of my bros asked me to join his gym. I fucking love it now but CTE is no fucking joke and I'm very careful when I spar.

>Kyokushin is rubbish
I'm going to assume I'm not dealing with a troll here. Like I said, I'm not a krotty apologist and think all those black belt factories need to be closed down. But I'm not going to bracket every single school and style because there's way too many McDojos out there.

And I really question the quality of those Kyokushin schools you supposedly went to.

Kyokushin competition rules are retarded I agree. But the dudes I sparred with held their hands up high and tucked in their chins. They knew how to protect their heads and knew how to face punch. And forget about body punches; I tried that and they ate that shit up. It was like going against a brick wall.

>>227985
>And I really question the quality of those Kyokushin schools you supposedly went to.
I'm from Russia
>But the dudes I sparred with held their hands up high and tucked in their chins.
OMG, what are you talking dude. The most important part of striking martial art is ability to control distance. Kyokushin fighters have ZERO ability to control distance. No amount of shinken shobu, no amount of chin tuck, no amount of rising hands can fix this. I showed it in these threads millions times, most recent was this >>218933
In the 90's to beat down some underweight muay thai fighter it took a whole Andy Hug and no head punches ruleset. Kyokushin is good martial art in the same sense as rugby is good martial arts - they both know how body moves, how to make contact with another body, how to endure pain but nothing more.

>>227987
We were sparring; it wasn't a real fight. And 2 of the Kyokushin guys actually had good ring generalship and how to cut angles well. Not every Kyokushin karateka is going to bum-rush like highlight videos do.

>Russia
Ah, I gotcha. Yeah you guys have a pretty solid knockdown karate scene.

>some underweight muay thai fighter
That was Changpuek Kiatsongrit whose a fucking legend. He was a natural middleweight who took on bigger heavier non-Thais. I'm a huge Hug fan too but there's a reason why there are weight limits in competition. I didn't like that Seido-rules match at all between the 2.

Have you ever heard of Lucien Carbin? He's a legendary Dutch Kyokushin karateka turned Nak Muay and Kickboxer. He advocates people learning Kyokushin first to develop body conditioning and pain tolerance, then of course boxing and Muay Thai. He's a very good trainer and I agree with his points.

The best fighter takes whatever they can from martial arts; I picked up on kicks because I encountered Muay Thai, Sanda, Savate, TKD, and Karate guys. I don't know how to neck-wrestle or Muay-style clinching however. I also cross-trained with BJJ and sub-grapplers since I wrestled in high school and train in judo so it was natural.

It's up to karate to keep honing itself instead of stagnating. I have serious problems with it, but not going to knock it entirely.

>>227983
>Competed once
did you win?

>>228020
He didn't and now he's asshurt about it in 4chan. What a fag.

>>227987
>I'm from Russia
No, you are a pajeet and a faggot.

>>228020
Won one fight, lost next, didn't get any place.
>>228100
>He didn't and now he's asshurt about it in 4chan.
Of course I'm asshurt a little bit. I spent two years of life doing useless shit. At least we didn't do any bunkai.
>What a fag.
How so?
>>228101
Would you bet your anus I'm a pajeet?
>>227988
>He advocates people learning Kyokushin first to develop body conditioning and pain tolerance
1. You can't pain tolerance train liver shot. What is more important, you can't pain tolerance train your head.
2. Everything you can pain tolerance train will be pain tolerance trained in sparrings and with bag work
3. You don't need more pain tolerance training than Muay Thai gives
4. "If you are amateur you don't need pain tolerance training. If you are pro you already know you don't need pain tolerance training"
Viacheslav Borshchev
5. If kyokushin pain tolerance gives so big advantages, why did Osipov lost to nonames? Where are next pain tolerance trained GSP's that destroys everyone in MMA?
>The best fighter takes whatever they can from martial arts
Kyokushin has no any additions compared to other martial arts, it is essentially castrated muay thai.

>>228100
Also, I did some muay thai and wrestling and sucked at it and I'm not asshurt about that. It's better to suck in wrestling and muay thai than suck in karate.

>>228100
>>228101
Also, aren't you that ass mad degenerate that posts same two pictures about how kata and shadow boxing are the same things? Stop crying already, you are the man, katas are cool, you are le based ninja warrior

>>228124
Honestly I'm inclined to agree. Kyokushin as of now today is evidently completely different from its initial concepts. It's fine if you just like doing kyokushin for its own sake but there are obvious glaring flaws if you judge it based on how applicable it would be in other rulesets. I think on that front the worst thing it can do is to build bad habits. Like for example BJJ the way it's taught to most people gives them a habit of conceding bottom position as the first move. In jiu jitsu it's no big deal, it's a fundamental part of most guard player's game to begin with. In MMA this is usually a terrible habit. Unless the grappling level discrepancy is completely outmatched it's a suicidal tactic. In kyokushin's case building tolerance and confidence in taking hits is not necessarily a good thing when you consider the fact that you can't tough out head traumas. When you enter kyokushin distance you'll just get boxed or clinched. With that said I do enjoy all the weird kicks kyokushin invented, but I'd say all the good stuffs are already absorbed by kickboxing.

>>228136
100%.
Here is some videos for thought. Here is old fat retired boxer Svyatoslav Shtal who works as coach (185cm/89 kg) vs 3x all Russia Kyokushin champion and active athlete (of that time) Pavel Shulindin (172 cm/70 kg).
https://youtu.be/kAGAVWLjGig?si=xkjy8YaoOzKcPD8g
Shulindin absolutely can't control distance, has zero ability to protect his head, but also gets absolutely tired all the time (to the topic of great Kyokushin endurance). At 7:39 it becomes even funnier when boxer says "I see what you are doing and you are not!"
At 9:42 he poses like "Give me best what you've got while I stand still" and karateka very predictably doesn't even try to change angle and just makes this retarded traditional kyokushin attack with scream. Fight is laughable. After fight they have speach and boxer says he could read every move of karate guy, karate guy has zero fighting IQ and can only move only foreward/backward. He also says that despite the fact that he hasn't trained for a long time and it's unpleasant for him to receive blows from a karateka, he still knows how to move so that it's uncomfortable for the karateka to attack, how to tie him up, how to prevent him from working, etc. But what else would you expect from someone who spent all his life fighting like this https://youtu.be/X1iOLYoSQFQ?t=119 ? This is no joke when even Wing Chun fighter can kick your ass by similar reasons https://youtu.be/pP0-IpDEUGU?si=sqRXv-UKdfeB3Ezd Somehow all this silly shit about "Just lift your hands to protect head, bro" doesn't work.

>>228149
But maybe the karateka performed so poorly because of the difference in weight? Here is similar video of kickboxing WAKO world champion Viacheslav Borshchev who weights slightly more than karate guy (75 kg)
https://youtu.be/Ml3UT_3uXHA?si=csdPLXOvrEmURmLk
Absolutely another picture of fighting with lot of maneuvres, angle cuts etc. Borshchev at the end said he tried less to work to the head and lower tempo to give Shtal to work. Shtal said he finished very tired and barely could keep up the tempo.
But hey, atleast this silly WKF karatekas are rubbish and Kyokushin guys are better than them, right?
Here is 3x WKF world cup winner Yuri Kirshev vs thai boxer and combat samboist.
https://youtu.be/as1rL8h9Pf0?si=cBNqL_hNZpIPmy-P
https://youtu.be/PF8GIBtgPV0?si=TRCSHTd54n8vxOhz
You can see he does extremely good job. He controls distance, he makes trips, throws etc and etc. He coaches MMA now and you can see his insta @yuri_kirshev he coached some pankration and some minor MMA leagues champions.
So my point is not only Kyokushin is cringe, useless and basically a castrated muay thai, but WKF/JKA shotokan alike karate is only useful style of karate that actually has something to offer to an athlete. This style is very good at rapid shortening the distance and has some nice enters and trips. You can see brilliantly Rafael Aghayev moves.

>do a month at an Okinawan style Goju Ryu dojo
>school mostly focuses on kata, kihon, and bunkai
>next to no sparring
>no pad work or bag work
It’s a cool dojo filled with cool people who really care about karate, but I’m switching to Muay Thai.

>>228246
Try seidokan. Its like goju ryu but with more strikes and the dojo i go to has fight nights or bag nights at least once a month.

>>228545
The only karate even close to me is Goju Ryu and Shito Ryu. If we had Kyokushin or Kudo I’d do that instead.

>>228246
I don't understand this. Is this an American karate thing? No bags? My sensei almost always makes us hit the bag every training session always before sparring or whenever there's no sparring for the day.

How do you anons all practice when not in class? Ive been thinking of doing altitude training on top of a mountain for stamina because running is for gays, or resistance training in a river. I live near the appilachian mountains so ive got plenty of options.

Does it make sense to do it in my gi, or are human clothes a better idea?

Aside from praciticing basics and kata are there any other helpful training methods?

>>228943
The only piece of karate uniform I wear when training at home is the belt, and that just for when doing kata. I usually just wear boxer shorts and be half-naked like the Okinawans of old (or modern day uechi-ryu practitioners in Okinawa). It just feels more natural than in a gi.

>>228943
>running is for gays
Nigger, what? Fedor Emelyanenko was obsessed with running, so was Khabib and Merab Dvalishvili runs a lot.

>>228943
>Does it make sense to do it in my gi
Gis are just sturdy clothes to practice in. Unless you're doing something that directly involves manipulating a gi, there's no point in wearing one over modern exercise clothes.

>Aside from praciticing basics and kata are there any other helpful training methods?
Find a rock or log. Lift it. Put it back down. Repeat.

>>228943
You can always do hillsprints, find a spot, sprint up, then walk down and repeat. Other than basic conditioning, you should be doing knuckle push ups, you aren't Karate if you don't do Knuckle Push Ups or Makiwara striking. Hell you aren't Karate if you don't practice calisthenics to improve your technique on top of Kata and Technique Drills, for example choosing one of the blocks, kicks or strikes and spamming that shit for 100 reps and moving to another. You should always practice your side kick, that's where the money is also foot work, side stepping as soon as your other feet lands near the stepping foot, forward step and then brining it back and sliding your other feet to same spot rotating your hips with least amount of effort, these two drills are important for getting down speed for kicks.
>>229150
Long distance running IS gay for martial arts sports.

>>229249
"Long" distance (3-5 km) running is based for martial arts and definitely 1000x better than all the kata, blocks and 100 rep nonsense you wrote

>>229249
>Long distance running IS gay for martial arts sports.
No surprise thai fighters that run 5 km every morning beat the shit out of karatekas

post girls in karate uniforms it's all i'm here for

>>229249
What about crunches/situps?

>>229264
Crying about thais getting whooped in the J-kick thread wasn't enough for you?

>>229536
Sorry, I don't care about nerd shit. Every dagestan wrestler runs since childhood, Khabib runs, Emelyanenko runs, if you want to stay weak and do kata than yeah, don't run, but I warned you.

>>220299
I bet I could beat you up though.

Stupidly did bareknuckle bagwork combo practicing 50 times on each side and i have work tomorrow. Best way to treat it? Also i guess i need to tighten my fist on my left given the busted mid knuckle on my index finger...

>>229973
Forgot pic, derp

>>229973
Rub some dit da jow, or the more commonly available Zheng Gu Shui on it. Then wear arthritis gloves to extend the time and double its effectivity. You can wash your hands after 2-3 hours. It's what I do after hitting the makiwara.
>cuts on your hands
On second thought, don't use dit da jow. You'll poison yourself. I don't know how you'll treat that where you are. Here we have a liniment made from coconut oil and spices. Works well even if you have wounds and has the unintended side effect of turning the skin of your hands as soft as a Geisha's hands.
>Stupidly did bareknuckle bagwork combo
What's stupid about that?

>>230157
>Here we have a liniment made from coconut oil and spices.
Where's "here" and what kind of spices go in the coconut oil?

>>229536
So what? Are you j-kicker? No, you are a k*rateka, a literal dirt from under the nails

I have been doing bjj for 7 months now, but since i finished uni and started working i don't have time to travel 2 hours for a training. So i've been looking for a new place to train. There is a Shotokan club in my hometown. It's part of the JKF, what should i expect? (Also I'm in Europe)

>>217434
Lmao just like my video games

>>218875
>not wanting to learn the dim mak

yare yare

>>230157
Ill stick to kicks this week. It was stupid because i hurt myself. My sparring gloves arrive this week at least. Ive been letting the wounds air heal and i used bath salts to soothe my muscles. I test for yellow at the end of this month in okinawan martial arts. Worst part is after i beat myself up like that the next day i had class and we ran basics the entire night with no break. I was standing there practicing slow kicks right in front of a water fountain in a brick hallway. I have never felt my leg give out as much as it did then, and my kicks became about a 4th of their usual power and speed. Also every class my senseis tell me i need to relax

>Kyokushin fighter in the UFC, Natan Levy goes to the IKO World weight tournament and loses his first match
>Krylov, Donbas Kyokushin fighter gets completely starched by Reyes in April
Kyokushinbros..... I don't feel so good..... Nah I actually feel great, finally got my brown belt last month.

>>229287
here bro

>>229249
Every top tier kyokushin fighter runs multiple 5ks a week, especially when training for a tournament.
>>229977
that's nothing lmao, I used to shred my knuckles in the dojo on those big pads that cover an entire person. Just wear thai/boxing wraps if you wanna work the bag barehanded or get some skin care cream.
>>230157
>what's stupid about it
Easy way to get Arthritis if you do it wrong

>>228943
Weights, heavy bag sets, 5k runs, bouldering, more weights, calisthenics, going to kickboxing/thaiboxing classes.

>>218891
I understand what you mean, although you are presenting it in a rude way so most wont take it seriously. Basically if you are forced to only learn either kyokushin or shotokan karate learning kyokushin will make you better prepared for fighting, however, the kyokushin skills all overlap with kickboxing and muay thai asides from niche kicking/body punches without gloves (very minor skills) and the kickboxing and muay thai have many useful and very important things that kyokushin does not have like head movement etc. Whereas the shotokan is also lacking in a lot of areas but if you are actually good at point sparring that leaping in and out and control of the gap between you and your opponent is a very useful skill that kickboxing or muay thai wont typically teach you ala Machida or Kyoji Horoguchi in mma. However, unless you are some top tier athlete this level of consideration is pretty irrelevant and you should just do kickboxing rather than either and if you want to do karate just to do karate or you have to pick a karate because there is nothing else near you you would do kyokushin.

>>230477
>Kyokushin does not have head movement
Kyokushin has the same amount of head movement as any combat sport that allows kicks and knees to the face. When any kind of slipping opens you up for knees and head kicks you will see that head movement is not as important as boxing. Watch almost any major tournament and in the first few rounds you will see people dodging high kicks and knees. Yeah if you only watch tournament finals where fighters have barely any strength left you won’t see many head kicks but to say stuff like this when countless Jkick Kyokushin alumni and ordinary Kyokushin fighters are dodging knees crazy axe kicks like the matrix is nonsensical. If your Kyokushin doesn’t have any head movement that’s YOUR problem.

>>230479
You're being hysterical lol and no kyokushin does not have head movement that is as good as kickboxing obviously I am not referring to bobbing and weaving

>>230479
>What do you mean WE DON'T ALLOW HEAD PUCNHES?!?!?!
>HEY, KICKING HEAD IS ALLOWED, AND IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME THING!!!!!!
Not this cringe again. Kuokushin sisters are literally retarded. Waiting "Just keep your hands higher" in your next post

>>230481
>>230480
>when you don’t train and just want to start shit
All online martial arts spaces are full of retards like you who don’t actually train or compete and just make up shit.
>hurr durr the sport full of Kyokushin fighters with more opportunities for head movement… has more head movement
Tenshin Nasukawa started in Kyokushin, what’s his head movement like you utter retard?

>>230482
The karate Nasukawa trained and competed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCMEvJmlHic&ab_channel=Kakuto
>All online martial arts spaces are full of retards like you who don’t actually train or compete and just make up shit.
LMAO, k*rate sister, and how was your last kata competitions? Did you impress juries by power of your kiay?

>>230482
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>>230482
No where in my post did I dispute there are people from kyokushin who have become successful in kickboxing so this is a non sequitur. Take the first andy hug vs pat smith fight for the example of only training kyokushin not properly training you to defend your head.

Karatebros, any tutorials/tips on how to stab kick like the j-kickboxing fellers do?

>>230494
>>230485
>>230484
>three replies of seethe
Lol, lmao
First knockdown in your video has zero head movement. Yes I actually do have the loudest Kiai at most kata competitions, I also have dodged quite a few mae geris, foul punches, and spinning head kicks.

>>230495
Look up Yuki Yoza or Takeru crescent kick/toe kick. It’s basically a lazy round house with the ball of the foot or half curved front kick. Some people say it’s a mikazuchi geri but they’re wrong.

>>230499
>tfw I accidentally fat fingered my phone after training and prematurely sent my post
Over for me. Do you know how people actually train shin karate? In Kyokushin dojos, with Kyokushin katas, and Kyokushin masters. Shin karate competitions are usually open to fighters of ALL martial arts backgrounds, but are mainly there for those who want to pivot from karate to kickboxing.

>>230499
>>three replies of seethe
Even a million, what's the difference? You have as many arguments as you have ways to defend your head from a single punch - a literal zero.
>I also have dodged quite a few head kicks
I can see you dodged a few head kicks and a few didn't dodge, you are a complete idiot.

>>230500
>Do you know how people actually train shin karate?
I only know that people train what they are compete in. If they train for competitions with head punches they are not on the same level as people that train for competitions with no head pucnhes, no matter how their styles are called. Sambo and combat sambo are the same things for retards like you

>>230502
If you have ever competed you would know that people cheat, people lose their control, and there are definitely head punches thrown regardless of the rules. But since you do not train and do not compete and are upset that people enjoy Kyokushin more than whatever ancient Peruvian tiger baukshin art that you clearly prefer, you seem to think that people who regularly dodge all manner of strikes to the head, legal or illegal, are somehow incapable of doing so because the rules for a specific competition format say head punches are not allowed.
>>230494
>ancient fight from the dark ages
>ideal example
Now you’ll tell me all the Kyokushin alumni in kickboxing today have somehow been factory reset and don’t have any karate anymore

>>229287

>>230504
>people lose their control, and there are definitely head punches thrown regardless of the rules
Fucking impenetrable moron, this happens even in freestyle wrestling, according to you freestyle wrestling teaches to protect from head punches. If you compete and train you would know that when k*okushin k*rateka gets punch to the head he immediatly gets lost, grabs his face and starts looking at the judge - he does everything what WKF sportsman does when gets hard hit or soccer player does when here is the slightest hint that he was pushed. Also LMAO at your "internet is full of idiots kyokushin haters like you". If you didn't notice, internet and especially reddit is actually absolutely dominated by retards like you who write same shit again and again - "Just keep your hands higher", "Ugh, we actually learn to protect our head because we have kicks to the head", "Katas are good because it is shadow boxing", "But MUH GSP" etc.

>>230504
>whatever ancient Peruvian tiger baukshin art that you clearly prefer
I don't even know what it means, it was probably intended to be very offensive, but since you got too many punches to the head it is just sounds retarded and completely off. I wrote million times that regular kickboxing, boxing, muay thai are all better than k*okushin

>>230504
>you seem to think that people who regularly dodge all manner of strikes to the head, legal or illegal, are somehow incapable of doing so because the rules for a specific competition format say head punches are not allowed
Yeah, totally works this way bro
https://youtu.be/DMr_lQiMVDM?t=104
https://youtu.be/DMr_lQiMVDM?t=153

>>230519
>when people break the rules, the victims will look to the judges
Large if factual….
I wrote a big post that got eaten by network issues but I can’t be bothered to type it all out again because you’re quoting statements no one in this thread has made and posting links to SEAmonkey fight clubs instead of looking at proven modern Kyokushin fighters like Davit Kiria, Mikio Ueda, Jo Miyahara, etc etc the list goes on. You already know that preparing for a STRIKING art like Kyokushin versus a grappling art like freestyle wrestling is completely different and builds very different physical skill sets, but even then a trained professional sportsman with competition experience from almost any combat sport (including wrestling) will have better instincts and reflexes than an amateur kick-boxer/MMA/boxer etc. Cope and seethe etc etc

>>230527
>trust me bro, this castrated version of kickboxing called Kyokushin will work if you would train it only in childhood and then become an elite martial artist in another competitional ruleset with a team of trainers, each of whom is responsible for each individual aspect of the training
>also protecting head from punches is same thing as protecting head from kicks because LE REFLEXES
LOL. When MMA athletes will start hire kyokushin coaches instead of boxing, kickboxing and muay thai coaches, I'll believe all the nonsense you write

>>230530
Jiri spent significant time last year in Japan training Kyokushin and got his yellow belt lmao. A whole bunch of Rizin and K1 fighters have joined this Kyokushin offshoot (Goukikai??) in the past two years which is ran by Hajime Kazumi.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sldLA0LO384 but yeah keep being wrong about a martial art you know nothing about except from reading reddit posts.

>>230542
>Jiri spent significant time last year in Japan training Kyokushin and got his yellow belt lmao.
Wow, impressive, and Silva is wing chun fighter. How cool is that?
>A whole bunch of Rizin and K1 fighters have joined this Kyokushin offshoot (Goukikai??)
You just can't not shit your pants, right? It's another kyokushin offshoot that does gloved sparrings with head punches. Do you train in Goukikai? Do you compete in Shin-karate? What's next? "OMG you didn't know Kyokushin offshoot named Kudo has head punches and that prooves Kyokushin as a whole has head punches"? "There is some MMA fighter that did 3 workouts in kyokushin and he can protect his head, this totally means I can too"? "Sambo and combat sambo runned with same organization and they have same jackets and same words in name, that totally proves that there are chokes in sambo"? Does ability to protect head from punches transmittes by airborne droplets by any chance now?
>"but yeah keep being wrong about a martial art you know nothing about except from reading reddit posts": a post by dumb idiot with reddit phrases like "raise your hands higher" and "protecting head from punches and from kicks is the same thing"
Nothing new, many such cases

>>230549
>erm actually it's not kyokushin even if everyone involved were kyokushin fighters and trained under Sosai Mas Oyama until he died
lol, lmao

>>230550
>kudo is kyokushin because... something something SOSAI MAS OYAMA
kek, kmao

>>230542
You can write as much as you like that somewhere there, in the land of elves, at the intersection of Masutatsu Oyama and Bruce Lee streets, there is a special gym where Kyokushin fighters fight with blows to the head, but in my city there are 5 Kyokushin gyms and none of them practice punches to the head, and at the same time, IKO1 gym recently took one first place and several second and third places at a championship in Japan. Something tells me that the same thing happens in all other cities.
So my question stands still - do YOU train in Goukikai, do YOU compete in Shin-karate? Or is it precisely you who knows all this things by the internet, and in your free time comforting yourself that punches and kicks to the head a same things?

>>230554
At that IKO1 tournament, UFC Fighter Natan Levy lost unceremoniously in his first match lol

>>230555
Of course fighter that trains for wider ruleset would lose in castrated kickboxing match, he probably would also lose in slap competitions which is even more castrated ruleset. If you think this speaks well about castrated kickboxing or slap competitions you are braindead

Where did the whole "kata is for shadow boxing" meme even come from? No dojo ive ever been to has said that and for me the focus has always been learning body control while also examing it from a stance changing and move combination examples.

>>230495
>>230500
i tried it on a heavy bag yesterday and holy fuck it hurts even when going light
how are these jap fuckers kicking people full force on the shins with their toes? are they made of steel?

>>230571
Are you not using the ball of your foot?

>>230504
>Now you’ll tell me all the Kyokushin alumni in kickboxing today have somehow been factory reset and don’t have any karate anymore

I don't know why you are arguing with a strawman. They like Andy Hug filled the gap in their game by training for it when they transitioned to the new sport. The point of the Andy Hug example is that there wasn't as clearly defined path to make that transition for him at that point in time. If you went from only training kyokushin to a fight against a kickboxer without a grace period to adjust you would suffer similarly. Therfeore if your goal is to train striking and you had the option of training either kickboxing or kyokushin you would typically pick kickboxing failing some kind of extreme edge case. What kyokushin does well for the athletes you mentioned is it is safer for them to compete in as children who may or may not go pro. Whereas say thai children are probably well on their way to developing CTE by their 20s.

Of course we also have this example:

https://youtu.be/EZ7YRewmbFg?si=S1imL1aLvauSbWCY

Well established tournament fighters from kyokushin vs a literal meme wing chun tier martial art and whoa guess what the inability to defend the face is still present as it would be if some random asshole attacked you on the street with wild haymakers. Note the point isn't to say the kyokushin guys lost to these guys just to illustrate the gaping hole in head defense.

>>230597
No. I'm using my toes.

>>230769
Stop that. https://youtube.com/shorts/Xulsz5gBPuU?si=8OiAePXGdflnX1Ux It's all about the ball of the foot, it's harder than your toes. You can only really toe kick soft places like the stomach if you're very well conditioned/don't mind breaking toes.

>>230759
>taikiken
>literal meme wing chun tier martial art
anon.... Ironically enough, the guy in that video who is fighting Kancho Matsui is a kyokushin alumni, Taikiken has a really weird connection to Kyokushin and was supposedly invented by a Japanese general in China before the Pacific War. I've got a DVD on taikiken I picked up in Japan but never watched because my new PC doesn't have a disk drive...

>>230788
>the guy in that video who is fighting Kancho Matsui is a kyokushin alumni
How do you know?

>>230802
I just do

>>230853
>fart
ok

Time for a new thread perhaps
>>230910
You can Google these things you know…..

>>230915
>You can Google these things you know…..
I googled and found he did judo and karate without specifying any style

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>>230926
>>230926
>>230926

First belt test as an adult coming up boys. Heres hoping i dont choke on the back end of kihon. Slightly worried about the slow kicks as well.been going hard as fuck on basics for the past month at least.

>>218883
>KK doesn't seem to train guys to keep themselves from getting kicked in the head.
kek get a load of this guy

>>218933
reminder that Nasukawa moped the floor with the MUH Thay "elite"

>>229264
>No surprise thai fighters that run 5 km every morning
fuck their legs for no good reason since you don't actually to need to run every day to be a high level successful fighter

>>217284 (OP)
How do you guys get faster at:
>front side sliding
>double kicks(same leg)
I just feel slow when it comes to closing distance and counteriing a counter on the offensive.

>>230494
Im just trying to learn all the techniques your "coach" was smoking mids in the parking lot with a gatorade bottle and a socket