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>Discussion starterThoughts on how to improve uchikomi?
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>>215864
>Thoughts on how to improve uchikomi?
I aint doin that shit
How come many olympic matches are unavailable and gone from the internet? I can't find the full Riner vs Bashaev fight anywhere. I heard that the IOC owns broadcast rights and not the IJF. Do they just hide this shit forever when the olympics end?
i've been sick since monday.
What sacrafice do i have to do to Kano to get rid of it?
>>224161buy a dummy and just fully execute the throw
>>224099 (OP)>Thoughts on how to improve uchikomi?practice uchi komi with set up reaps and hooks
>>224169He will go into hiding in disgrace
He didn't even respond to the video
>>224219He'll return as Punished Chadi. a man denied his uchikomi
>>224225 He has become something of a meme in my circle, We will call each other and just go
Hi, this is chadi..and todayy we are going to look at traditional ryukyu grappling footage and discuss the similarities found in modern Mongolian wrestling [queue that same video of Kano looking awkwardly at the camera and then demonstrating a hipthrow] but before we get into that check out my book...
>>224099 (OP)>How to improve uchikomiThink up a situation you don't like, have your opponent mimic it
And have 3 different throws you want to try, and then have someone help you do something about it or suggest a better alternative
>>224229I used to buy into his stuff so much, now I realize it's more like
>traditional ryukyu grappling>modern Mongolian wrestling>as you can see here guys we can see the fighters grabbing each other to try and throw one anotherrepeat same clickbait ad nauseam
who is the cutest girl judo?
https://youtu.be/k2tHyjjOJl4?si=Sd0E1WlMmUFdGVn5
You don't even need to understand what he's saying to know exactly what he's saying
>>224267She was but her melt down at the Olympics gave me the ick
>>224282sorry for the gay but it's the best I can do
https://www.tiktok.com/@olympicscut/video/7396856300262411525
>>224291>it's just her cryingi was expecting a full in tantrum like that georgian judoka had
this was a whole lot of nothing anon. You need to give me my time back
>>224293That wasn't just crying that was inconsolably wailing on her knees in public
Totally unacceptable toddler behavior
>>224311uta abe WILL BE the mother of my children
>>224313sorry bro, Hedvig mogs her (in looks)
>>224313>goes to the 2028 olympics>fucks up again>commits sudokui'm calling it
>>224268He's completely right and I'm proof of it.
>learn generic osoto gari through karate>never land it in sparring>learn osoto gari in college judo intro course>never land it in randori>learn osoto gari "properly" the traditional way in a dedicated judo school>never land it in randori>see someone posting on discord on how to do the competition osoto gari that actually works>not even a video, literally just a text post describing how to do it>hit osoto gari next time I try it in randoriFelt like I was Wimp Lo finally discovering the ruse.
>>224268I've posted this before, but this is how Kimura hit Osoto by going to the side and almost breaking the knee.
From a forum post on the topic (https://judo.forumotion.com/t1686-sideways-o-soto-gari):
>I have written and explained several times on the old forum that รด-soto-gari is the single most incorrectly taught throw in the West. It's something I didn't realize until I moved to Japan. That is not to say that there aren't any different ways to perform รด-soto-gari, no, I am talking about errors, not 'henka'. Kuzushi and control in รด-soto-gari is typically done incorrectly in the West, where there is a tendency to pull sideways, instead of to the left hip (for migi-รด-soto-gari). This is very prominent in Kimura Masahiko's รด-soto-gari. In addition, there is the way Kimura really locks the leg with his reaping leg. I think that direction is not very significant and depends on displacement and action/reaction and debana. In addition, it's probably a limitation of photographic sequences, as suggested by the various film footage that exists.>I have talked to three people who have regularly fought Kimura (I discussed Kimura at length with รsawa-sensei, my sensei Hirano also fought Kimura many times during randori, and I talked to another gentleman about 7-8 years ago who was then in his 90s but who had left jรปdรด, but who too had fought Kimura twice in shiai). All pointed out, if anything, that Kimura was hugely strong. Hirano, who himself was a quite remarkable jรปdรดka and who still holds the record of defeating 15 in a line-up in the yodan promotional shiai at the Kรดdรดkan, estimated that Kimura was about 5 times as strong as he. Of course this is a merely anecdotal and romanticized with no measured scientific data, but it gives an idea about how phenomenal Kimura's strength apparently was.
>Thoughts on how to improve uchikomi?
what hanpan says
how to do judo without breaking peoples legs?
all the "right" ways to do throws seems to involve hammering them over their knee in a way that locks it out
>>224418the opponent needs to learn to fall properly to prevent actual harm.
If they know the throw is coming and can feel it they need to go with it.
I see in randori some people leg their knees in an attempt to resist the throw.
Doing that will only hurt you and make the tori feel like they hurt you even though it was your fault.
Tori just needs to focus on executing the throw properly
>>224440>leglock*
some people lock their knees
>>224441even in competition people arent gonna focus on not hurting you.
That's your responsibility
>>224415How do you not get Ura Nage'd or Tani'd with this shit?
>>224458Look at the uke's posture. They're hunched forward and not in a position where they can launch an ura nage or tani.
>>224458how to not get tani otoshi'd
>dont hip to hiphow to not get ura nage'd
>dont hip to hiphope this helps
>>224493excuse me but did his SLEEVE just TOUCH the PANTS!!!?!?!?! disqualify this man RIGHT FUCKING NOW
>>224636that's some bullshit for not stopping it after the throw failed
>>224637what a bizarre sport, how the fuck do they score this?
>>224683I'm assuming point karate-esque scoring for strikes, Judo rules for throws and pins plus their own list of legal and illegal submissions (IIRC they can do any joint lock including leg locks but some or all chokes are banned)
>>224637i love how sambo is just a more technical mma with way less spazzing
>>224637I like Sambo, but it just seems to drunk Russian to me. I like Kudo more.
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>>224686When I was practicing the sport it was :
2 points : throw when the oponent falls on the side, holding dominant position on the ground 15 seconds
4 points : throw when the oponent falls on the back and you fall with him, dominant postion on groundwork for 30 seconds
6 points : when you knock the opponent down but they get up before 10 count
full victory : knockout or throw when the opponent is flat on his bavk but you remain standing, 12 points difference in the course of the fight.
Why do so many people look at judo skill as just landing throws and not their overall preformance in randori?
Getting some decent attacks in and being difficult to off balance and throw is just as good as landing throws the only major draw back is gassing yourself if you dont have the stamina in the tank.
and im not talking about muscling it
>>224783Because that's the point (of the sport).
>>224789I disagree.
I'd rather get one decent attack in that could potentially lead to a throw than look like a tard who moves like shit and muscles everything.
Sometimes i watch these tournaments and wonder how people got their black belt when they move like crap
>>224794Do they really move like crap? Before headspins got banned, people would fucking breakdance their way out of throws and do everything in their power to either turtle or jump back up. To be fair, I'm talking about Olympians going against Olympians when I mean sport.
>>224803>olympic compoh ok, we arent on the same page at all.
Im talking regular competition with some people just muscling it and crossing their legs when they step
>>224720Those actually seem like pretty good rules for a point-based MMA fight, though I'm not a fan of scoring for simply holding pins, if only because it's boring (that might just be me being too beejbrained tho)
>>224720is sambo fun? thinking about trying it (the non-strikes version)
https://youtu.be/aH6zKv0FvKo?si=2U5fGS-9a2CgdwLq
>>225092NTA but I think it's pretty fun. Sport sambo (the one without strikes) actually has the bigger & better talent pool; you just don't hear about it out west since sambo's known more for MMA here. There are very few restrictions on grips or anything, so you can do virtually any takedown you like. The ruleset also encourages more transitional work to newaza if that's your thing.
hey, i just want to thank that anon who wrote multiple paragraph long posts complaining about that black belt who always spams sumo squat tai otoshi's. it improved the FUCK out of my tai otoshi's just reading your descriptions of it. Hoping i can be as masterful as that man some day
>>225155>There are very few restrictions on grips or anything, so you can do virtually any takedown you likeyeah, I really like that. IJF rules have turned too restrictive.
>>225330i wish women were real
>>225243I deadlift 650lbs and doing shitty tai otoshis from a double lapel bully grip and jumping in semi circles and doing osoto otoshi if that fucks up is actually easy street, just hulking people dude, ive finally found a way to throw people who are better than me. Iโm a white belt and I just screen capped that and I study those posts if Iโm ever wondering about retard muscle tai otoshi, those four posts made kuzushi click for me after months of getting rekt by tall fat people, Iโve even been semi consistently throwing 200lb+ bjj black belts with it, it feels like cheesing throws almost. I am trash still though Fr
>>225332There is still kuzushi in the bully tai otoshi. You are snapping them down and over their toes, you're just getting out of the way and not planting your foott across their mid shin
Steve Cunningham demonstrates something similar:
https://youtu.be/kYKdY01Q2PQ?si=lmVRCIo6MvY2MDnV
I like this version, but as the post says. It's a dick move because most of the time Uki will be landing flat onto their face
>>225336>Steve Cunningham demonstrates something similarYou can also find a similar technique in shuai jiao/mongolian bokh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1N_qQkgGN0
>be me
>do the most perfect chefs kiss highlight reel harai ever documented
>some retard weed smoker that has no situational awareness or ability to stay in his area rolls directly in our path
>uke is upside down at this point
>try to slam the brakes and abort
>It's too late
>have to fire all cylinders to change direction and bail out
>I'm sorry!!!!
>tuck his head down and chuck him as far away as I can to avoid the collision
>retard: woah lol sorry dude didn't see you there
Mandatory drug tests and bans when
>>225351All coaches should explicitly reserve the right to kick you off the mat if you appear inebriated in any way (and actually enforce it), but while I don't know what the situation looks like in Judo, as a bjjfag half of our gyms would probably go out of business. Thankfully it's a less of a problem in our sport but still, it's pretty fucking irresponsible
>>225351They're already a thing dont talk about bjj in a judo thread.
If you're suspected of doping in anyway they'll pull you aside for a drug test.
>>225363they do. They can kick you out for just being a jerk to another student.
>>225372both usa judo and ijf publish a list of banned players
the ban has the potential to affect you AND your dojo depending in the severity.
You could even face a fine or the dojo could face a fine for allowing you to do what you did.
https://www.usajudo.com/disciplinary-actions
https://www.ijf.org/cleanjudo/3725
and both of them have report pages for for any form of doping
>>225372im retarded disregard my initial comment
>>225373Kinda fucked someone got banned for methadone
why does it take forever for me to learn anything
i have to ask one of the guys to practice the moves slowly on him a couple of times and letting it sit in my head before it works the next class
>>225429stop worrying and just take your time
the more you worry the more anxious you're gonna get and that's not gonna affect your martial arts well
>>225429because repping isn't an effective way to learn a task
the science is settled on this
>>225436What's an effective way of learning than?
>>225436>A YOUTUBE SAID IT BAD SO IT BAD
>>225436Oh dear
The ecoschizo has switched sports
>>225440he's not an ecoschizo
he's bringing up some video hanpantv made
>>225438 You have to actually do the thing you're trying to get better at,
not do an approximation of the thing, Or something that kind of looks like the thing
You need to actually do the thing
The same way learning phrases and doing flash cards will never teach you how to actually speak a foreign language, it's why 0% of duolingo users ever learned another language from it
the only way to learn it is just eat shit and start having conversations and sound like a retard for a while
Kata is fake, uchikomi is fake, repping is fake
>>225444i guess weight lifters should stop lifting weights and only compete
>>225445Weight lifting is their sport
There's no award in judo for how asthetically you can do half of an uchimata 25 times in a row against a dummy
>>225444>doctors don't need to read or learn any extensive medical work, they just need to test surgery techniques and medicines they don't know about yet and see what happens :D
>>225452That's a fundamental misunderstanding of how the process works
There is no rule that says you cannot use observations to inform strategies towards an end result
But reading books and playing surgeon simulator on unintendo DS is not going to prepare you
You won't develop the skill, the sensitivity with your tools timing and your work flow until you sit down and start cutting things
That's why surgeons start with cadavers because they are expected to screw up at first
>>225458*gasp*
it's almost as if
people do judo differently from person to person
OOH THE HUMANITY
>>225459>everyone should do it the exact way a korean person said so it's boring to watch as bjj
>>225461 Be my guest and continue to waste your time training ineffectively, you're only hurting yourself in the end
>>225461 If anything that's the what the kodokan is doing
Do it exactly the way this 5'2" geriatric did 130 years ago or it's WRONG
>>225461bjj isn't boring to watch, do you hate newaza?
>>225491Come on now, yes it is
Nobody actually watches that shit
Go ask a gym full of people who the current ibjjf champions are, nobody will know
The people that participate don't even watch it
>>225493last time i checked it was gordon ryan and people were saying he's unbeatable
>>225452False equivalence
>>225453>But reading books... is not going to prepare youretard
>>225429Low spatial IQ but who gives a shit. If you started judo when already old and inexperienced it's going to be like that anyways, until it all kind of clicks in.
Or you can be like me and becoming the most annoying person in the sport because I cannot be thrown unless it's a 10/10 maximum strength throw and I cannot throw unless it's a sacrifice.
>>225332Correction: become the second most annoying people in the sport
>>225502Gordon hasn't competed with ibjff since 2018
See what I mean? 7 years of winners and nobody could name one
>>225504Read a book cover to cover about doing a heart transplant then do one
I'll be my life's savings your patient dies
>>225506It's always black and white with you retards. No middle.
>>225531>n-no youtop 10 memes and how they ruined an entire website
>>225531>the millennial urge to compromise on everythingsome issues there's no middle ground on and this is one of those things
skills can only be developed by doing the action. observing and copying at best can give you an idea of what you're trying to do but only doing it will make you better at it
uchikomi is not doing judo, if that were the case then karatekas would be the best fighters because they practice their kata every day
but of course when it comes time to fight they can't do jack shit
same with judo uchikomi, the only thing that matters is randori. everything else is a waste of your time
>>225542It usually is a shit thread.
I dont even do bjj but still post in the bjj thread because they usually have something to talk about
>>225540>some issues there's no middle ground on and this is one of those thingsMidwit, everything has a balance.
>>225549yeah and i dont think that balance is cutting a core part of learning a judo throw
>>225549Tradition says getting punched in the head will toughen you up and make your chin stronger when it comes time to fight
No it won't, in fact does exactly the opposite and makes you more susceptible to KOs because of the compounding neurological damage
Ok let's compromise!
No, only one of these can be correct
>>225550 But where's the evidence that this process is actually helping you learn the throw, people might think it's helping them learn a throw
But of course if we took 2 people and one of them did 6 months of uchikomi and the other did 6 months of randori and then we had them fight at the end we know who would win 10 out of 10 matches
>>225556>But where's the evidence that this process is actually helping you learn the throw, people might think it's helping them learn a throwyou cant be this fucking retarded and have enough neurons to know how to breathe
>>225561>THE SCIENCE IS WRONG>THIS KOREAN PERSON SAID SO
>>225561>>225563are you trying to get good at doing uchikomi or at throwing a resisting partner?
these are not the same skill, you're spending time doing something that is not increasing your ability to do the thing you want to actually do
hitting a bag doesn't make you a good boxer
uchikomi is judos equivalent to that. a fairly pointless endeavor that maybe you can include in a workout to increase your action capacity but otherwise isn't making you better on the skill side of things
runners get better by running, swimmers get better by swimming, judo players get better by doing judo
uchikomi isn't judo, its a choreographed dance routine
When I am doing Uchi Komi, it's to generally improve my Judo by exposing me to specific joint positions and have a basic understanding of what the throw should feel like. Those without prior knowledge of Judo will usually follow their instructors commands to a T, eventually they will change minor things like hand placement or foot placement.
When I am doing Randori, it's to generally improve my Judo by exposing me to various positions that force me to adapt both on a neurological level and a physiological level.
Uchi Komi is Judo to the same extent Randori or Nage Komi is Judo. Certain training methods yield greater results and the desired adaption depends on what you and your goals. Want to work on fitting in and lifting? Do Uchi Komi to get GENERALLY better at Judo. Do Nage Komi to practice the GENERAL aspect of throwing someone with a specific throw and get GENERALLY better at Judo. If you want to do a live fight or have serious resistance? Do Randori to GENERALLY get better at Judo.
Specific training isn't specific. These are the same things people argue about when doing stuff like rotational medicine ball throws to 'improve their golf swing' or 'improve their rotational power output.' No, it's to get generally stronger and more powerful.
>>225589it's one of the three
>bait & trolling>retarded>not old enough to be using this websiteonly one of these three can explain doubling down stupidity
>>225564>uchikomi isnt judonew low just dropped
>>225531The midwit has spoken with his -as expected- reply of what's already fucking obviously implied
>>225566fair enough
Going to class and getting my ass kicked is the only period in my week I feel as though I'm progressing in life. After Judo I feel directionless, hopeless, like shit. Does anyone feel the same? Does anyone know how to achieve a degree of peace and contentment in all aspects of my life outside of the classes? I also go gym as well for some strength and conditioning, but I am lacking in any emotionally fulfilling connections. I am dead inside.
>>225700I did but Judo actually allowed me to perform better career wise.
>but I am lacking in any emotionally fulfilling connectionsDo you have a Job? Studies?
Also, your fellow judofags will slowly become your friends. You just gotta give it some time because 95% of Judokas are kind of autistic, even the women.
>>225700just become a hospital security guy or bouncer in some urban area and you'll be able to have something important to use judo for, thus increasing the amount of pleasure you get from judo by adding the aspect of a job well done. as well as verbal judo randori practice.
Why does nobody like Osoto Otoshi? It's sooo good.
>>225719I don't hate it, but it's something I used when I didn't understand proper osotogari.
>>225720I feel like Otoshi is better than Gari, just seems more intuitive
>>225719It's the ultimate filter throw
I would like to learn judo but I feel it's a cope without leg grabs
It seems so strict with it's rules like YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS SPECIFIC GRIP OR ITS NOT ALLOWED
whereas wrestling you just do whatever works
Tl;Dr will judo ever become a useful martial art again or just esoteric flashy olympic crap that takes 20 years to master
>>225790judo is still a useful martial art without leg grabs
especially in street fights
>>225798>Posts the same tired gif of drunks getting tripped over
>>225810so you're saying you can survive being body slammed onto concrete?
>>225790>I have no experience in martial arts but I have strong opinions about themmany such cases
>>225810>anon thinks he can survive this on concretethis is a legal move btw
https://youtu.be/ORIYstuxYT8?si=JLXegeQWX9zvUepq
>>225812Yet this never happens in actual fights. You just get punched or leg grabbed, or wrestling style suplex
>>225816Judokas think that people will just stand there like living sandbags and let you execute these 0.0001% throws. If you show any resistance it all of a sudden becomes a dream and you eat a knuckle sandwich. It's why you don't see this stuff in MMA
>Posts that one time an olympic judoka did a fancy throw against a wall once
>>225818>It's why you don't see this stuff in MMAYou clearly don't watch MMA. There's more judo used in MMA and BJJ now more than ever.
>>225790Just go to a Gym and telling your sensei and training partners you would like to work under the traditional ruleset. Once you get assblasted because life isn't throwing singles 24/7 and crawl back to olympic Judo post again.
>>225817Probably because Judokas aren't going around getting into street fights
>>2258186/10 made me reply
>>225810>>225818i like how you've been btfo'd so many times that you've memorized the videos that btfo'd you
>>225821So what's the point. I want to learn something I can use in reality. I'm not risking catastrophic injury for elaborate dance larping
>>225829I think you're coping. It's always the same gif of fat bouncers foot sweeping drunk men or the woman in Africa lmao
Yet on any world star fight you'll see wrestling, boxing even kickboxing. Never see judo. With other stuff involved it doesn't work. God forbid headbutts involved.
>>225843>this wrestling headlock is different from a judo headlock and this wrestling grab is different from a judo grab and this wrestling takedown is different from this judo takedowneveryone in wrestling uses elements of judo and everyone in judo uses elements of wrestling, it's not one or the other. judo is just a teaching of how to throw people using leverage, wrestling is a sport of taking people down.
go back
>>225848Throwing people using leverage is 10 times less efficienct than just taking people down
>>225850I wonder what it feels like to be this retarded.
>>225843>Yet on any world star fight you'll see wrestling, boxing even kickboxing. Never see judo
>>225856Did that look like a fight to you. Looks like some guy bullying someone who doesn't want to fight
Do i just get used to losing a lot?
feels sort of depressing
/judo/
give me some examples of verbal judo
>>225860seven times down, eight times up. you stand to win everything, not lose anything
you gotta just shrug that shit off, have a supreme level of confidence going in and believe that you'll win. if you lose, move on with life and find the next thing, always be aggressively positive.
>>225704I have a job but that's just IT. It's boring but it pays for mortgage. Feels as though i'm not learning much besides just consuming stuff. Even video games are boring, they're only good if I did something valuable and use them to relax.
>>225870i like that mentality. Will dwell on it and be a better anon rather than complaining.
>>225918That's an assault, possibly a murder
>>225920maybe you need something more fulfilling. you could try getting into something artistic or creative
>>225925Does that mean I drop Judo all together, or do I just add something artistic/creative? I am stupid.
>>225919>Posts fake prank to prove judo worksKek
>>225945why did he throw it before the guy even made contact with him? almost as though he was intending to miss the whole time in some kind of..I dunno? scripted event?
>>225946what about this one
>>225859
I am spatially retarded but I sat down I think I might have figured out how I am able to digest all these weird technical movement...I remember things the best when instructors use visualization language instead of 'do this..then this..then that...' which hurts my retarded brain. Instead, I remember things best when it's like 'hold like you're holding a schoolbag' and other bullshit.
>>225946Did he though? My thinking is that the guy was able to catch his armpit early, which pretty much negated his ability to pipe the judo guy.
>>225926add. just my advice as probably the only two truly fulfilling things in my life have been judo/martial arts and music
>>225945More obviously fake shit
>>225949I think I have understood now how judo dweebs get groomed into thinking this shit will work in real life after doing their playful randori where you are encouraged to let each other throw each other
If you can't tell that video is fake you clearly have a very loose grasp of reality. dangerous for you tbqh. No wonder my local gyms judo class if full of unfit skinnyfats
>>225950what type of music you play my man
>>225959what about this one
>>225968That was real but he was being "attacked" by a small malnourished guy who had no clue what he was doing.
You could have shoved that guy over with one arm, why do you even need judo there. Judo seems to work against the severely weak in situations where you might as well just push them over, you don't need ippon sayonara for that lmao
>>225964started out with rock and metal, then got into classical guitar then got into synths and electronic music
Is there a word for when you score ippon by throw, as opposed to a pin or sub?
>>225818>It's why you don't see this stuff in MMAThis literally happened last week.
>>225969>a small malnourished guy who had no clue what he was doing
I'm having a hard time getting grips and getting close. I usually assume top grip and some other lapel or double top similar to a tie hold or head and shoulder grip. I really just can't close with my opponent and I feel like they're able to get grips first while I'm left to flounder a bit. I haven't had this issue before, but the last two sessions kind of brought me to this conclusion.
What are some tips for getting close or getting head-and-shoulder grips/ top or double over grips. I really just want to know tips for getting into that close, bear-huggy kind of area faster and more often.
>>226064I always like to consult Mother Nature and what other animals do. Bears have a tendency to move to the side and try to push the other bear onto their less supportive axis. Sort of how we do Uchi Mata or some hip drag throw, barreling into the Uki while at their side. However, bears do this not to just get the other bear to the ground, but to reach the back of their necks and arteries.
In states of hesitation or pre entry, bears will ball their heads up and curl their humps on their back up towards the back of their neck as protection before going into an attack. Depending on the size of their foe, they will usually try to spearhead their way into something and maximally close distance. Still, following the principle of getting to the side and pushing their foe to the ground so they can reach around the neck and snap the spine or severe an artery.
Cougars and other large mammals with protruding canines and claws enact this behavior as well.
The takeaway here is if you want to close distance better and get grips around the neck better, you need to take a stance that allows you to spearhead your way into the Uki. Covering your face and battering your way in, keeping your hands close to you and cover yourself while moving in from the sides. Try to avoid straight on attacks into Uki's power or athletic front (the position they are braced in and facing). This can be done by remembering to move the whole body in one unit. Keep your eyes and hands facing in the same direction your toes are pointed, never try to bend your back and abs around as the force you can output greatly diminishes. Anyways, back to bears. Keep your hands and head close, spear into them from the side, and close maximize going for the head and neck earlier and striking before Uki can. Always keep the pressure, break them down by constant snapping motions but not slow pulling and stiff-arming.
>>226064>>226071One other thing, when a bear is being attacked by a similar animal and they don't care to engage and just want to the get out of that area. They'll either scamper away, or they'll maintain that tucked position I was talking about earlier but they'll shake and shake violently. They'll shake around their necks and heads to make it their hide harder to grasp onto. You can try this in class if someone gets a grip and you just want to make them let go, but you should also fight for your own grips and continue trying to get to the side while also shaking your collar or where ever they have a hold of you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSTdm9P1opc
Wtf my right shoulder is impinged, have the fucking japanese been teaching us wrong as a joke?
>>226088Hanpan strikes again
>>226088>that introok i like this guy now
>>225969Look up that 'Take Me Down Get $1000' on YouTube, he does wrestling but he clearly has Judo in his game and uses it a lot.
>get into a street fight with a judofag
>rip of all my clothes and throw them onto the ground
>use my superior BJj skills to make him submit and suck my cock
>>226230>bjj fag>immediately starts thinking about gay sex
>>226235BJJ is about suckin and fuckin dudes, round after round.
>>226230>story ends with bjjfag blowing himselflike pottery
nothing better than waking up on a saturday and getting your ass kicked by a bunch of guys in pajamas
>>226832He uses Judo, it's very clear he knows Judo techniques like Kosoto and O-Uchi
>>226088well he's right
why does everyone in judo uniquely have bad shoulders? not just bad but totally destroyed?
there's nothing inherent to this particular grappling sport except the dumbass "drilling" everyone is forced to do. It's overuse injuries
>>226837What should people be doing instead of drilling moves?
>>226838 You just got to play, 99% of your throw is in the set up
But people autistically spend hours and hours and hours practicing the 1% at the end
Why are some judoka fat and out of shape but you don't get fat or out of shape wrestlers?
>>226835>Tripping someone is Judo!!!!!!!!
>>226860because most judo matches can and will literally end in a couple seconds.
How does body slamming your opponent onto the ground in a couple of seconds need you to be shredded with 6 pack abs
also there are plenty of fat wrestlers lol
>>226862i remember the first martial arts school i went to there was this 6'0 300+lb d1 univeristy wrestler
everyone was scared to fight him
>>226860When the quickest win/lose condition is being picked up or knocked over fatmaxxing is a valid strategy, it's why sumo is like that too
>>226865fighting big guys is fun. challenging, exhausting but you can learn a lot. and you know that whatever worked on them will sure as shit work on smaller people.
Anyone ever landed funny and now their arm hurts? It's like I pulled a muscle and it cramps up if I do any sudden pulls and shit.
>>224186private torrent trackers
In judo can you just ragdoll people to the floor with snapdowns or whatever and then do newaza?
>>227610yeah, some people fail tomoe nage or sumi gaeshi and go into ground work
>>227393I'm on rutracker and I can't find shit, lots of instructionals but not full judo matches
>>227723olympic judo matches are on sportscult, it's not that hard to get in, they do open signups sometimes
>>227595arm-in Ezekiel choke from the back, what's the Japanese name for this coke?
>>227595Judo ground stuff is so weird
They make absolutely no effort of self preservation to fight off the attacks, they always just accept it and grit their teeth
>>224683No points for strikes, throwing your opponent flat on his back is an instant victory if you don't fall with him, otherwise it's 4 points, holding him down for 20 seconds is also 4 points and you need a difference of 8 to win, a wazari throw is either 4 or 2 depending on again if you go to ground with him, or stay up. 1 point gets awarded if your opponent falls on his stomach. There are also arm and leg locks, but no choking.
>>227878It's the exact opposite of BJJ's problem - because of the sport rules, newaza is often severely neglected
Add to that that the ref can just stand you up if they deem that neither side is making any progress, so sometimes the most optimal defense to submission attempt is just no-selling it
>>226071>>226073I love shit like this, so educational. makes me feel like i'm getting wisdom from a native elder about body slamming people
>>226071>>226073this shit looks and feels so stupid but actually works it's unbelievable, it's like im aimbotting in judo
https://youtu.be/CkCXJrh9nmk?si=qJpTzlWTGNck2s78
>>228095all according to keikaku
>>228095Why did he stay flat on his belly instead of standing up?
Why are so many people in martial arts like this? Boxing, MT, Karate, Judo or BJJ they all seem to have a giant complex when they see someone who lifts weights or does some other activity other than getting in fights
>>228227technique first, strength second.
Strength can help you a ton but if you rely solely on it you'll gas really quickly or they'll tap/throw you quickly but yes strength does play a role to an extent. Being able to deadlift 600lbs though isnt really much of a requirement for any of these martial arts which is why bjj and judo fighters are either fat or dyel and the jacked guys like mike israetel or joe rogan move like shit on the mat
>>228230and the reason i say this in terms of judo is becuase your hip placement matters a ton for throwing people.
>>228227because that's the point of technique. its the physical analogue of technology. you learn it to do less work while you accomplish the same thing.
its like if you needed to change a lightbulb, well you just reach for the step ladder. but why not just get leg lengthening surgery? you get to spend a few months suffering in some unlicensed hospital in southeast asia, and once its done you can change any lightbulb you want, you can even reach the top shelf with no need for different techniques, its one size fits all (insofar as it involves reaching something near above your head at least.) and sure you can't walk through doorways the same anymore, and you hit your head on branches more often, but that's just the price of admission. also you need to make sure they don't shrink.
its just silly to do all that. and its not that fitness should be outright avoided or whatever, but like bulking up, I mean what's it good for? you punch a guy twice as hard? big whoop. clearly there's better things to do.
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>>228232>but like bulking up, I mean what's it good for? you punch a guy twice as hard? big whoop. clearly there's better things to do.copium overdose
>>228230Technique is just the vehicle you use to express your strength
Strength is still the most important aspect
Karate seemed to understand this, supplementary physical training has always been a part of it
Only charlatans like the gracies downplay it's importance
>>228227Because
1) when you start you already has some strength and some endurance, what you don't have is technique (i.e. you don't know what to do - how to throw, how to enter etc)
2) you will develop some strength while doing your sport
Anyway the discussion is stupid, since technique is the best way to apply strength. People usually have wrong idea that technique is simply sequence of body parts movements. This is wrong. You can't train technique without applying force. How much strength do you need and at what levels of your experience is completely another story.
>>228241And I want to add, in complex sports, winning is multifactor thing. You sometimes can be suboptimal in one things (for example strength) and be better at endurance, strategy, technique etc. Look at Buvaisar Saitiev. He literally had nickname "The Worm" among his peers because he was thin and not very strong.
>>228238>Technique is just the vehicle you use to express your strengthThat also means every time you perform technique you train strength to some degree. It is impossible to do all greco roman lifts from ground and have weak hinging power.
I'm not sure whether to pick judo or wrestling for self defence
>>228247Pick wrestling while you are able to train it and judo later in life
>>228227That's just backlash against the idea that being muscular makes you a fighter. Like that eceleb bodybuilder who's constantly announcing he's 260 lbs and therefore could beat up anyone
>>228227Your pic and your text present two different questions. Anyway
>cope
>>228238much better phrased than what i said
im gonna start using this
>>228227This guy gets it
>Bigger guys don't need to play small>Stronger guys shouldn't have to hold back outside of training>If you're born with ubermensch genes you should embrace the fact that you don't have to work or train as hard to win against genuinely weaker folkLife isn't fair, the genetic lottery isnt fair, rarely is a fighting sport "even", hell, it's arguably usually not even close
Just do good break falls and don't fucking cope if someone can find more time to bother to be stronger
>>228227Athleticism is obviously very important, but relying too much on strength in training can hamper the development of your technique, that's where the sentiment originates. Then people use it to cope with being lazy and unfit
>>230148Yup, judo is over
I simply practice ecologically now, there's no need for a formalized move list in the current year
>>230152Where to find ecological judo school?
>>230155There's like one random Welsh guy that does it
You need to create the games yourself
For example osotogari game I had people playing The Other day, The goal of the game is to touch the calf of your right leg to the calf of your partner's right leg or left leg to left leg, that gives you one point
However! Since the win condition is the same for both of you, you only get a point if your partner is leaning back. No need to fully do takedowns yet, in fact it's discouraged
Then play the game again, a leg touch is still 1 point but this time after making leg contact if you manage to push your partner all the way to the ground you 3 points
First to 10 wins then play again
There's an unlikely chance I would be using Judo in self defense but ever since I stepped onto the mats and got my ass kicked over and over again it really did change my approach and outlook towards life, for the better. Is it stupidity? I'm not too sure, all I know is that I'm having fun.
>>230166>Is it stupidity?It's called "Discovering a hobby you enjoy"
>>230182well in his case it's stupidity because it never crossed his mind that he enjoys judo
>>230148there really isnt much to discuss if you're participating in the sport as most of the feedback you'll get from your sensei. This isnt like bjj where rhe instructor will purposely ignore the question and not give you feed back. Most of the discussion threads on r/judo are quite literally children
>>230192or punish you for asking the wrong ones
>>230192Eh even then the sensei won't know everything. Most of my judo (90%) comes from self-experimentation and discussing and watching vids online. I'm basically only paying for randori partners at this point.
Anyone mentally recovered from an injury? I've landed on my back and unfortunately due to a tight neck/shoulder it gave my left bicep a really strong cramp..can't move it much especially when I want to do back squats. Noting broken, seen a message therapist. I want to go back into Judo but I'm paranoid because of the injury.
>>230608 The mental block is real
Everybody gets gun shy after an injury, You even see it in professional fighters that are total savages and then get knocked out for the first time and are never quite themselves after it again
I was looking right at 2 white belts when one of them blew out the others ACL by grapevining the leg during an osotogari attempt
I had just told them not 10 minutes earlier to not do that and they did it again
And this time there were consequences
The sound was like when you remove a drumstick off a chicken..and then the screaming..from both of them
AGHHHHH AGHHHH AGHHHH!!!
OH FUCK OH FUCK OH SHIT IM SORRY OH FUCK!!
To this day 3 years later I still feel a nervous chill every time I see legs entangle
>>230619that doesn't help at all anon
>>230619ah man, i saw my first real injury a couple of months ago and the screaming is what still haunts me.
it's so different and urgent. you just immediately know shit's fucked up. like their voice changes pitch.
>>230761Georgians reeeeeeally like that grip don't they
>>230851it makes manlets seethe
>>230862>Europeans are gigantic oversized freaks>remove leg grabs because they can't cope with optimally sized humans knocking them over so easily
I used to do judo as a kid and I want to get back into it by I'm worried about the injury potential. I understand bumps and bruises are part of any decent martial art and I'm fine with that but I don't want to get my ACL blown out by some tryhard autist.
>>224099 (OP)>skill can overcome stre-ACKOh no no no no Judo bros.... not like this!
>>231622I do this with kids often and they do what seems to be happening here, pulling in opposite directions and canceling each other out
>>231622who the fuck gave them a black belt?
zero kuzushi
Someone at the gym was saying osoto gari is the most dangerous throw you can do to someone. Is osoto gari really as devasting as people make it seem? I feel like seo nage or a good tai otoshi whips way harder than osoto gari.
>>231893an older, vetted black belt at our dojo got fully knocked out for a few seconds when some white belt hit osoto on him
i'd say it's a pretty unforgiving throw when done with full intent. either gari or otoshi, i actually think otoshi is worse because you're adding your own gravity and weight onto them as they're going down.
i'm pretty sure they did a study also on the level of kinetic energy different throws produce and found osoto and harai to be the most powerful
>>231995Just googled that study. It was on determining which throw between harai ogoshi, osoto gari, and seo nage exerted the most kinetic energy. It found that harai ogoshi produced the most kinetic force when throwing ukes under 80kg. Osoto was generally the most powerful tho. Honestly surprised cause every harai I've been hit was always underwhelming. Maybe because they people here only really harai as a last ditch effort in randori.
>>231653Try to get any sort of kuzushi going again someone who's twice your weight and three times as strong.
Protip: it doesn't work.
>>232088jarvis, post Yasuyuki Muneta's Sasae
>>232105Muneta might not be tall but he's over 100kg, meaning the only international level Judoka to maybe be twice his size is Ricardo Blas Jr. Martins Licis, on the other hand, weighs in at 150-160kg.
>>232088>Try to get any sort of kuzushi going again someone who's twice your weight and three times as strong.sumo has entered the chat
>>232266And Bradley Martin is 260, he'll destroy any Judo dweeb
>>232378the hat makes me laugh every time
its like he really thinks we can't tell he's bald
>>232295Again, the average rikishi is around 140kg nowadays, and even recent lightweights in Makuuchi division such as Enho are typically at least 100kg, with only very few in the division - such as Ichinojou - closing in on 200kg.
Sure, there's always outliers such as Orora or Akebono, but these are outliers for a reason.
>>232385Your sumo knowledge is out-of-date by a half a decade. Enho dropped out of makuuchi 5 years ago, Ichinojo is retired, and Akebono passed away.
>>232389I'm well aware of that but just using conveniently extreme examples to illustrate the point because otherwise they'd be brought up, I've been keeping up otherwise.
>>232378Can't beat the Norwood reaper thoughever.
>>232088then your instructor must suck ass
>>232378>this is jacked steroid guy he can beat anyone>waiting for him to take shit and then jump him as he's shitting has entered the chat
>>232705Tokui Waza: Osoto otoshi
>>226235if one man can hold you down... imagine what two can do to you anon
>>232088Dr. Kano says "skill issue."
>>232706Evil and non gentle throw
>>232088Kuzushi isn't only pushing or pulling. A person can become unstable just by lifting his foot.
>>232705Tokui waza: BBC strength
>>232705for me it's kouchi gari
>>232868>A person can become unstable just by lifting his foot.speaking of which, footsweeps are very underrated. I've seen huge heavyweights getting dropped by them. probably one of the most effective techniques against big guys if done right
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV15S4y1h7gS/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click
at around 20:20 travis goes into the judo stance. I don't quite get what's the ideal stance. Obviously, too narrow or too wide will get you thrown. But how do I know I am at the perfect stance? Is it shoulder width?
>learn it in class/ask your sensei
I live in a shithole country and train at a dump with a sensei that doesn't give a shit and it's barely a shidan. All I get to learn is shit online and randori with different people of different skill. No one teaches us colored belts properly
>>233053It's situational. Travis Stevens was showing using a stance between the 2nd and 4th stances on this page. Use these stances as a guideline to keep your balance.
>>233084is this about the uchi mata controversy? the south korean guy btfo'd chadi pretty hard so i'd go with elbow down
>>232861Can a defenseless woman really nullify the strenght of a giant (if she uses her power correctly)?
>>233085Didn't the South Korean guy say the elbow up version is much more practical than classical elbow down?
>>233107pretty sure he said the opposite
the way people usually teach uchi mata is the traditional "look at your watch" kuzushi where you pull them up
the problem with teaching it this way is that no competitors actually pull uke up, they pull down like in the OP image
maybe we're talking about different elbows
>>233108I don't even know how Chadi coped for as long as he did, he had pretty much no leg to stand on. In no universe would I, if I was trying to get someone to the ground, pull UP towards the sky instead of DOWN to the ground.
Do you guys Kiai when fighting?
>>233142I was told to always kiai on the way down because even if it wasn't your throw if it was a close call it'll go to you because they'll think it was yours
>>233092Theoretically yes. Dr. Kano was known for being tiny and dunking on big guys, e.g. the Russian sailor anecdote. It takes a significant skill gap to overcome a significant strength gap.
>>233142No, because I'm a coward and don't want to look like an ass if I botch the throw.
>>233263>>233264This is not the real budo of ๆ้ but JUDO
>>233264>that foot stomp I know for a fact that shit probably hurt for a week.
>>233294Uta Lost LMFAO
>>233294she means jewdo not judo
>>233366*grabs you by the throat*
back the fuck off from Uta???????
>>233373I've observed a disproportionate number of jews in judo relative to the general population. Is that purely a local phenomenon or is it a thing across the national and/or international judo scene?
>>233294do japs actually hate russian/georgian/mongolian judo tactics?
>>233414I used to train at a pretty traditional dojo in the US. Very few people there liked working with the older Russian judo/sambo guy who joined the gym.
>>233422>older Russian judo/sambo guyVery nice man and people liked him socially, it just hurt to train with him because of his approach to judo.
>>233396dude it's literallynin the name
JU
JUUU
sound it out
JU
>>233437I've often wondered if it really is that simple or if there's some more historical or esoteric connection.
>>233442well there is a conspiracy theory that jesus traveled to japan
>>233446his brother was chinese so it checks out
The Uchi-komi aristocracy is collapsing as we speak. No longer we will have to listen to boomer frauds telling us how our form is wrong and giving us bad advice. A new age is starting... the Age of RANDORISM! From now on, all will be pressure tested, down to the last throw. If it doesn't work, fix it. If it doesn't still, throw it away. Kuzushism and Uchhikomism are on their way out, pragmatic Randorism shines on the horizon. I ask you: Do you want total Judo?! Do you want a judo more total and radical than anything that we can imagine today?! Are you ready from now on to give your full strength to provide Judo with the Randorism it needs to give Uchikomism the death blow? NOW, JUDOKAS RISE UP AND LET THE RANDORI BREAK LOOSE!!!
>>233583top kek
>KuzushismHow do you plan to land a throw in randori without kuzushi?
There's only 2 takedowns
Split the legs and turn or block the legs and lift
There's also a weird 3rd category where you do nothing to the legs and just move the upper body so fast the legs can't keep up, but that's more him falling than being taken down so it doesn't count
Everything falls into these categories no exceptions, all your "moves" beyond that are just flavor
>>233673Kushushi is the application of strength. Bad example anyway because Martins didn't get the takedown until the guy in the blue gi threw himself to the ground.
>>233666There's only one throw: the opponent moves, you move him further in that direction than he anticipated, and then you trip him.
>>233675>be me>refuse to move>unthrowableSee you at the olympics faggots
>>233686Three shidos for stalling and you're out.
>>233677Stonetoss is a literal closet Nazi with problematic ideals and spreading his vile fascist propaganda through his innocuous looking comic characters. How are you still not aware of his racist dogwhistles? Here's proof if y'all dont believe me. Stop posting his garbage.
>>233694That's a lot of words. Too bad I'm not readin' 'em.
>>233694I enjoy that StoneToss provoked this kind of response while the Goebbels photograph and paraphrase did not.
>>233694everyone knows and not many people care ive literallt noticed the people that do care are usually mentally a child or are a child.
>>233597by establishing a dominant grip and controlling their posture you can already largely throw someone. kuzushi is overemphasized.
Watched a guy break a kids shoulder the other day, not sure if based or cringe
>>233791Controlling their posture how? Maybe in a way that breaks their balance?
>>233796how? what belt was he?
>>233796Kid should've done his breakfall or tapped out.
>>233824Middle aged black and college freshman brown
Did a quarter Nelson with the arm chicken winged allegedly to turn him over but he didn't turn
>>233831I'm not sure I understand that right, was he turning him over from turtle with a power half like picrel?
>>233835He was to the side with an arm configuration simular to this, except it was actually tight and with the hands locked like the power half
>>233840Yeah that's called a fully locked in ude-garami/kimura
He probably expected the kid to roll forward to defend, but regardless of intent he cranked it past the point of breaking.
That was either pure retardation or outright malice, neither of which is excusable nor should be allowed on the mat
>but he didn't tapOk, it's your responsibility to not injure your training partner, if they refuse to tap then you just catch and release, you don't break their limbs to massage your own ego
>>233845>if they refuse to tap then you just catch and releasePeople who do this prematurely are extremely obnoxious.
How would you rank the chokeholds in terms of most and least painful?
>>233850Forgive me for using english terms, for I am a beej pleb
"naked" chokes that don't rely on the gi (RNC, leg triangle, arm triangle etc) aren't really painful, there's just pressure. Exceptions being when there's a crank or your head is at an angle such that your jawbone is being compressed
Chokes that utilize the gi as "handles" but don't actually use it for the choke itself (cross collar for example) can be a bit painful but not terrible
Chokes that choke you with the gi directly (bow-and-arrow for example) can be (and often are) really fucking painful and frequently leave me with bruises on my neck
>>233845judo oldheads love to crank the shit out of submissions for some reason
>first woman allowed to train in the men's group at the Kodokan was a jewish gangster from Brooklyn
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rena_Kanokogi
>>233845 He jumped off and said I thought he was going to roll! He didn't give the right reaction people usually roll!!
And from my vantage point I actually expected him to roll too and while it was happening I was thinking to myself he must be tangled up in the gi and unable to roll because I don't know why he isn't rolling right now
And instead of rolling or tapping he just started yelling ow
>>233858end the fight as soon as possible
>>233925great way to have your life ended in the parking lot after class
>>233927who said anything abiut doing it in class?
are you fucking retarded?
>>233845this all sounds like lack of communication and not malice.
instructor should have said "hey im doing it live so roll out of it"
>>233864got damn what the fuck kind of judo school is this?
This is some shit you'd expect to hear out of a bjj school?
>>233949As I understand the situation, he either did it ballistically and without control or he intentionally pushed it past the point of breaking. Neither is acceptable.
That the kid wasn't tapping is irrelevant - yes, it is their duty to protect themselves, but it's also their partner's duty to not knowingly and intentionally cause harm to them
As I see it, this should result in at least a very stern reprimand, if not an outright ban from the gym. There are training incidents and injuries where no one is at fault. This is not one of them
>>233950>This is some shit you'd expect to hear out of a bjj school?This shit would absolutely get you kicked from pretty much all bjj gyms. For all the Brazilian machismo bullshit that permeates bjj, snapping up your partner's shit is not tolerated anywhere (that I know of at least)
>>233965yet instructors do it to """"humble""" people all the time.
interesting...
>>233964I dont think that black belt understands he can literally derank because of something like this or at least recieve a ban under his NGB. There's surprisingly high ranking people at my club that dont know every intracate rule.
There are literally people banned on the usa judo ban page for something that happened outside of judo. You're supposed to demonstrate judo philosphy of kindness, humility and resepct both on and off the mat
What the fuck am I supposed to do in Randori with a fresh white belt? I was stuck with someone about six inches shorter and far lighter than me, and the coach clearly thought I was a bit of a faggot for not going full force on them when they didn't really know what they were doing.
>>233985teach and let them work
>>233985t. yellow belt
>>233583I realize that uchikomi is overrated but you're going to set Judo back 200 years kek. Straight back into pre kano jiu jitsu
>>233985>the coach clearly thought I was a bit of a faggot for not going full force on them when they didn't really know what they were doingis everyone here training under absolute sociopaths?
how the fuck do i learn moves as a white belt? i have no idea what to do in a randori. i know no moves and all moves seem complicated for me. the only think i normally do is try to practice my breakfalls because i'm getting fucked up anyway. fuck i should quit, dont know why i keep continuing after 3 months.
>>234006>Deny his grips>Get your grips>Move him around>Feint and attackI'm assuming your opponent is white as you
>>233985>going full force in randori with a white beltThe first judo school I attended, run by an old man with serious credentials, explained randori to us as cooperative free flow sparring. We were instructed to more or less take turns throwing each other. Tori would try to set up and execute a good throw, while uke would try to keep his balance without hard countering the throw (unless tori totally botched it). We did a fair amount of sparring and shiai but randori was always different.
>coach clearly thought I was a bit of a faggot for not going full force on themDid he tell you this?
>>233992This. Let them get a feel for moving around, let them attempt some throws, and let them learn what it's like to get thrown with a clean and controlled throw into a good breakfall.
>>233968>There are literally people banned on the usa judo ban page for something that happened outside of judo. You're supposed to demonstrate judo philosphy of kindness, humility and resepct both on and off the matHow silly do they get with this? Are people getting booted only for extreme legal cases like murder-rape convictions or do they have more subjective criteria?
>>234006>how the fuck do i learn moves as a white belt?Uchikomi and randori. When trying to get a feel for things the first time with uchikomi take it slow and get your body position right at each stage of the throw. Try to understand exactly why you're positioning yourself the way that you are. I would also suggest reading and watching videos about the specific techniques you're trying to learn. Don't be afraid to ask your instructor (or even some of the more competent colored belts) for input on what you're doing wrong. You may come across a lot of different opinions, in which case I would recommend primarily focusing on implementing what your instructor tells you while reflecting on the pros and cons of other variants for your body size and proportions.
>i have no idea what to do in a randoriFootwork, posture, balance, and breakfalls while looking to set up a throw of your own. Learning to move smoothly and correctly will help you immensely once you start getting your throws figured out.
>i know no movesAre you saying that you're proficient in zero throws or that you aren't even vaguely familiar with any throws? What does a typical class look like and how often are you attending?
>the only think i normally do is try to practice my breakfallsThis is the most important skill in judo and you're way more likely to need it outside of class than anything else you learn. Getting thrown a bunch also helps teach you about how throws work and makes you better at throwing.
>dont know why i keep continuing after 3 months.Sometimes it takes a while for things to "click," particularly if you're not already from a strong athletic background. If you're the lowest skill guy there it will take you a while to catch up to the others; this doesn't mean that you're not making progress, it just means that you don't have a good way to measure your progress right now.
>>234017it weird because some of the bans say "banned until legal case is resolved"
>>234016>Did he tell you this?More or less. We went into a corner of the mat and we took turns throwing each other. It was their first lesson and they'd only even seen Osoto-Gari, Osoto-Otoshi, and Uki-Goshi. After mate was called, he shouted at me across the mat to not just let myself be thrown during Randori and to actually fight for the throws. I'm fine with that on other partners, but it doesn't seem productive with someone who's had about 40 minutes of training and is far smaller than me, can't really do throws, and outright said they weren't confident in their ability to manage throws.
>>234052That's a little odd. I assume the instructor was aware that it was the other guy's first day? Are you also a white belt? Have you been reprimanded for passivity in the past?
>>234052what your instructor wants you to do is limit yourself and still try to fight.
If you cant do that you land a throw - next reset you let him throw you etc. Or limit yourself to work on things you have issues with. I suck at sweeps. Im all big throws if i work with a new white belt im limiting myself to sweeps to work on sweeps so they can work on whatever they learned
if i get thrown and given shit i can say that i was taking the opportunity to work on sweeps ans it'll be the truth.
Even better if you tell the white belt "hey km gonna work on x" in a conversational level voice because your instructor might hear it.
The biggest thing is that you need ti let him work while also working yourself but going easy on him.
If he only knows like 3 throws that they arent even good at and you mess up and they have an opening to go for osotogari, let them so they can gain confidence in osotogari. What most people will do against more experienced judoka in class, when they mess up and give an opening they'll try to recover. And remember there are good and bad ways to talk back. If your instructor gives you can always say that you want the white belt to work and gain confidence. What your instructor was looking for was your ability to work in moderation and gauge you as not just a fighter but also a teacher. Judo is very sparse in the US with like one or two schools in every major city in comparison to bjj being at every corner. The biggest end goal for judo is to spread and teach judo.
>>234080but if you just let a brand new babbys first martial art whomp you one of two things will happen.
They'll never come back because they think judo doesnt work
They'll dunning kruger themselves and keep coming back
it's the same thing vice versa
>completelt whomp him>he doesnt come back because judo guys are assholes or
>he comes back because this shit obviously works
>>234080And honestly welcome to martial arts.
There are so many unspoken rules snd expectations in this culture. Your instructor didnt tell you how to handle randori with a white belt
he expected you to already know
WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP NIGGAZ
>>234006pick 4 throws
uchi komi those 4 throws
I only do judo because that's my only outlet i have in life besides work and gym
>>234019>Uchikomi and randori.Thanks anon, I'll do as you suggested. Great tips. I guess I have to do my homework and slowly break down the step/methodology. Another anon saying to pick 4 throws is helpful in giving myself something concrete.
>work, posture, balance, and breakfalls while looking to set up a throw of your ownMakes sense, having something to focus on despite having no clue on throwing is helpful
>Getting thrown a bunch also helpsI tend to get cramps, especially in my legs and arm when I land. Is it only a diet issue or is there more to it?
>proficient in zero throws or that you aren't even vaguely familiar with any throws?Bit of both honestly. I took some time off to handle some family matters. I think I need to practice my uchikomi more on the basics. A typical class involves a warm up game, and then rolls, before newaza, randori for newaza, before practicing a technique, tai otoshi this time round, before we move into randori.
>it just means that you don't have a good way to measure your progress right now.that's a good way to think about it I guess..I'll keep showing up.
thanks for taking time writing back on my blogpost. hope this cute picture is enough.
>>234158>tend to get cramps, especially in my legs and arm when I land. Is it only a diet issue or is there more to it?stretch before and after class and make sure to be hydrated tonthe point where your pee is the same color as your toilet bowl water, completelt clear
also stop care about measuring your progress. you'll lead yourself down a deep and dark anxious rabbit hole. It's not fun. When you do eventually start getting better you'll question whether you're sctually that good. I do it all the time and then i'll go cross train and hear people whisper about me. That doesnt stop me from thinking bad things about myself though. So take my advice now before it's too late. Stop caring about how you're progressing and its good and start caring about just doing judo, showing up to class regularly and trying your best.
>>234178>and its goodand if it's good
>>234158>Another anon saying to pick 4 throws is helpful in giving myself something concrete.It's good advice. I would suggest picking a throw from four of the eight different kuzushi directions so that you can attempt something whether your opponent moves forward, backward, left, or right (or to the diagonals in between). If four ends up feeling overwhelming two (or even one) is still a good start, but four gives you an excellent base.
>I tend to get cramps, especially in my legs and arm when I land. Is it only a diet issue or is there more to it?Muscle cramps are usually a diet and/or hydration issue. The old school advice would be to drink more water throughout the day, eat a banana, and perhaps have some diluted gatorade on hand for water breaks at the gym. The electrolyte beverage market seems more developed than it used to be so it might be worth looking into that if water + banana isn't doing it for you. If you're sedentary outside of class it's probably worth doing some physical training (besides your daily ukemi and uchikomi--which you are doing, right Anon?) to habituate your body to actually being used and to get a feel for what your body needs to function in a physically demanding setting.
>I'll keep showing up.Consistency will pay off over time. Have fun with it and stay healthy and it can be a lifetime pursuit.
>>234178I think there's a balance with this. It's good to seek to constantly improve yourself and refine your judo but it's bad to tear yourself down for not being perfect. Even Dr. Kano is only a white belt.
>>234158>hope this cute picture is enough.It's a charming GIF. What's the source?
>>234136same, it's my only chance to see and talk to other human beings
>>234234>Judokas>Human beans
>>234158>>234202Back to >>>/a/
YWNBAW
>>234410>Back to >>>/a/Nice try, liberal. We've got the power of God and anime on our side.
>YWNBAWI would hope not.
Haven't watched it yet but the other day I stumbled across a seemingly Kodokan-sanctioned anime about Dr. Kano founding judo. Five ~15 minute episodes with English subtitles:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKtVkzkcFZjvvASaavfsWGq8RWOuFJytn
https://yawaranomichi.jp/anime/
>>234410>japanese martial art>getting mad when people post japanese stuffwhy even do the martial art at that point
i have an instructor that's like 60 that loves anime and manga.
even pro fighters like mighty mouse like anime
>>234052many instructors preach how about how they dont care about winning or losing """practice""". This is very far from
the truth. People have ranked faster from just winning practice a lot of martial arts traditions just need to die or stay in their asian countries, like """""being a mere humble martial artist""""" when in reality even skilled martial artists like musashi who never lost went out of their way to chose less skilled opponents and even showed up late to fights to fuck with them
noobie here. my adidas 500g judo gi ripped yesterday after 2 years of intermediate use training 2 times per week
danrho 600g single-weave should be fine? or should i aim for double-weave? i want it to last at least 10 years
>>234435just get a double weave and call it a day
you niggas told me judo is cheap this place told me after i booked that itโs 219 a month hopefully this is just a trial class iโm not paying allat
>>234440if you're going to a martial arts club you're likely paying to cover the cost of being in the club vs jud going to a standalone judo school
many judo schools pair up with martial arts clubs because they cant afford to keep the doors open
>>234445they do bjj too but itโs primarily a judo outfit
>>234447bjj as in newaza or they have a bjj school
there?
>>234449not sure. itโs marketed as bjj but i looked into the place a while back and they were advertising newaza. maybe they brought a bjj guy in since then or theyโre just selling newaza as bjj
>>234457bjj is just expanded upon newaza
bjj and judo are the same martial art with different rulesets snd focus.
>>234457>itโs marketed as bjjThat's why it's expensive.
>>234463that figures iโm a dumbass for not thinking of that
>>234461>>234463A BJJ blue belt would easily demolish a Judo black belt
>>234504There are too many variables for that to even be a worthwhile debate as presented.
>>234504that doesnt mean that it isnt the same martial art retard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE5mDpqz3kY
>judo olympic medalist gets KWABed by 0 skill strongman who has never trained it before in his life
judosissies, our response?
>>234590Webm already posted
>>231622
>>234590>who has never trained it before in his lifeMartins was a wrestler and he's spent his entire life training to pick things up and put them down.
>>234593The medalist is a different segment.
>>224099 (OP)What are the rules and norms around facial hair and long hair? Dr. Kano and a lot of other judoka from the period seem to have mustaches; is there some strong reason for that or was it simply the fashion of the time?
east asian, sissy loser judo mindset
>wax on wax off
>redirect energy
>be one with the world
>mutual prosperity
winner judoka mindset
>speak french to my horse, german to my dog, violence to men (on the mat) and extreme violence to women (on and off the mat)
>>234595>He doesn't know the mustache seoi nageNgmi
>>234590the reality of grappling martial arts for short people below 6'0 or near 6'0 is that it's most effectivr against people the same size as you.
Being tall has it's advantage but if you were never taught proper technique you'd be like the tall woman in the second match of this vid where you just get whomped by a shorter person.
https://youtu.be/YEI8hbEcvqk?si=GCWGzw88vHaRBLAy
the only way for a short person to beat size and strength is pure technical skill and speed. If that person is lacking in both, they will of course lose. This literally applies to all grappling arts including wrestling.
Get good at ashi-waza. Literally the most important waza in judo imho
>>234615>near 6'0or below near*
>>234594>Martins was a wrestler and he's spent his entire life training to pick things up and put them down.so never trained judo in his life, ok got it
>>234720>120lb boxer gets heemed by a 250lb karateka>umm, akchually the karateka never boxed, so this completely deboonks boxing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qwow5-sNRk
KUZUSHIBROS... OUR RESPONSE?
>>234720Judo incorporates some American wrestling and Martins has done BJJ (Brazilian judo) before so he's basically a judoka on top of being a steroid fueled genetic freak who won World's Strongest Man.
>>234590>uhh just use their strength against them brooKWAB
>>234743I'm getting real tired of judo
It's a cool sport to play I guess but everything else about it is gay
Maybe Sambo fixes all the problems?
>>234777you can just not train shitty instagram techniques you know
>>234777a lot of the people that get into is are usually people with years of experience in either striking or grappling under their belt.
This shit is getting real tiring for me too but im not gonna stop unless i get kicked out
>>234615>if you were never taught proper technique you'd be like the tall woman in the second match of this vid where you just get whomped by a shorter personThat was painful to watch. This is a World Championship match?
>>234615I think it's important to not conflate height with size
You get oak stump mode of the natural 5'7" 200 pounder, just a dense ball of muscle and bones
Vs someone that's 6 foot but they're all length with no mass and weight 150lbs less
The shorter guy is "bigger" overall, just not as lengthy
>>234786 It's just the whole practice is dumb as hell
Running around doing dumb calisthenics
Repping uchikomi hundreds of times
Then standing around listening while an old fat guy talks about a move and demonstrates the precise 30ยฐ angle that you step at before making a 45ยฐ twist with your foot to properly create hip alignment
And he walks around telling everybody that they are doing it wrong because it isn't exactly the same way that he did it even though his body is different from yours and his partner was different from yours
Then like 4 minutes of newaza and 2 rounds of randori. Hopefully you dont have a promotion coming up though because you'll be doing the kata in the corner instead of playing
then grab a mop and start cleaning his business because somehow it's appropriate for the customer who's paying for service to do janitorial work while the person collecting the money sits there
Maybe if you're lucky you get to spit shine his balls for him too
You've spent Maybe 20 minutes of the 90 minute class actually getting to play judo
>>234825you can just not train at a shitty gym you know
>>234825i think i said on /fit/ that some martial arts traditions just need stay in asia
shit like this is one of the reasons why. Anon is ready to pop over stupid traditions.
Shit, i am too.
I hate not being able to ask what i need to do for my next promotion or ask for guidance or else that somehow breaks some unspoken rule about instructor-student relationship. All thes unspoken rules and expectations are retarded.
>>234850if he lives in the US he might not have a choice. For me the next closest dojo is 2 hours away
>>234853meanwhile there's like a bajillion bjj gyms like a block away from each other. shits extremely retarded
>>234850Don't act like this is anything other than standard procedure
>>234854Bjj is popular because its much more relaxed and informal
People are willing to pay in many cases 10x as much as a judo membership to not have to do the gay traditional stuff
>>234777>>234825you can try sambo or wrestling for a change, then return to judo with new knowledge, or just crosstrain in both. that's what i did when i got tired of IJF bullshit some years ago. and focus on building your own style according to what works for your body, don't spend so much listening to boomer professors.
>>234852>>234825The thing is most of those traditions that people associate with Asia (rote drilling, over-precise instruction, strict following of the teacher lack of sparring, etc.) aren't actually the tradition in Asia. Once you get past middle school in Japan, it's basically a 15 minute warmup followed by 2 hours of randori. It's only by some odd boomerism that made westerners think the """""traditional"""" way was all that bullshit.
>>234777Sambo has less of the stereotypical Asian problems, but its got its own set of problems.
>>224099 (OP)How to tell a good dojo/instructor from a bad one?
Also, how to learn Judo as an autistic zoomer with ADHD? Is it over for me?
why dont gaijin know respect???
>>234871the lack of frequent randori and nage-komi is honestly hurting my judo.
My class is literally just drilling and then like 15 minutes of randori and then the drills we wont cover again for another 6 months wnd then we're somehow expected ti have memorized these drills.
This shit almost reminds me of the first bjj school i went to where the instructor would show you a technique once and then get pissed when you couldnt land it after one attempt.
>>234873>Also, how to learn Judo as an autistic zoomer with ADHD? Is it over for me?On the contrary. This is the kind of activity for which your brain is wired--you'll find it helps you get better at judo and you'll find that judo helps you manage negative symptoms. There are lots of people with ADHD and autism in martial arts (pic related, but wouldn't recommend steroids).
As an aside, ADHD and Asperger's can be very powerful personality types once you learn to manage them correctly. Use the diagnosis as information for self-improvement rather than self-defeatism and you'll eventually figure out how to have a much better time of things.
>>234873>How to tell a good dojo/instructor from a bad one?A sign of a good one is that their students do well at tournaments without having too many outward signs of injury. Ideally they should also put a heavy emphasis on new students learning breakfalls instead of just kind of hoping you'll pick it up but that's not something you'll know until you take your trial classes. I would highly recommend drilling your breakfalls outside of class either way, they keep you safe and therefore keep you healthy enough to train.
Okay this shit is bothering me again, I'm pretty sure I already talked about it but it was brought up again and now I feel like I'm coping.
The head sensei told me that I shouldn't do Osoto Otoshi because it's not as strong as Osoto Gari and it has always made me think and reject it. My rational for otoshi being better being:
>you're using not only their own gravity to pull them down, but also weighing them with the entirety of your own body like an anchor. You're also much more intact with Uki, like full-on hip-to-hip destruction.
>you're pulling down, not to a side and backwards, just straight the fuck down
>easier to land into a submission
This has lead me to believe Otoshi as being the superior throw in terms of raw slamming power and effectiveness for going into pins. But, my sensei is like "nah osoto gari is better lol" and it bothers me because he also doesn't like to really teach it and rather not see people use because he believes people who use it and aren't very good at osoto to begin with will worsen them technique by trying to do gari but planting the leg like otoshi.
anyways, what do you find more powerful? otoshi or gari?
>>235000Holy shit my spelling sucks
>>235000O-soto-gari hits harder than o-soto-otoshi, in part because uke falls further. I have actually used otoshi outside of judo for semi-gently putting people on the ground.
>>235000>what do you find more powerful? otoshi or gari?Gari.
>but also weighing them with the entirety of your own body like an anchorFalling with them takes away from the slamming force.
>you're pulling down, not to a side and backwards, just straight the fuck downOsoto gari gets somebody airborne, which makes the slam harder even if the force isn't purely downwards. You can also mess somebody's knee up with the reap.
>I feel like I'm coping"The acceleration occurs as the uke is thrown via tai-otoshi, seoi-nage, osotogari, and ouchi-gari. These results showed that of the four throwing techniques, osoto-gari generated the greatest maximum rotational acceleration of the uke's head."
https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/ijshs/16/0/16_201713/_article/-char/ja
>>224099 (OP)I made a GIF out of the Google Doodle drawn for Kanล Jigorล's 161st birthday. It features the story of kata guruma. Dr. Kano was having trouble throwing a skilled and particularly large training partner and kept scouring books for new approaches until he discovered American exceptionalism and adapted the fireman's carry from wrestling into one of the 40 official Kodokan judo throws.
https://doodles.google/doodle/kano-jigoros-161st-birthday/
>>233677make this the op image of the next thread
>>235059Seconded. We need to get judo back in the White House.
>>235000>>235013>>235007Going off this, for Osoto, is it better to get your hip through and pretty much just fulcrum uki over it?
>>233694Imagine posting an antiracist Reddit screenie on 4chan lmao. Your skull is full of NGO cum
>>224099 (OP)I'm going to be out of the dojo for a while. Anyone here have any recommendations on grappling dummies? I'll spend money if I have to but would rather keep costs down. Are there any good /diy/ patterns out there? Any other training-at-home tips beyond the usual footwork and breakfalls and doing uchikomis against a tree with a spare belt?
Holy dead thread. The hack a few weeks ago killed this board. Anyway
>that one nigga that tries to "reverse" your throws even though you're just rolling out of the way out of courtesy
I'm going to break your ribs bitch if you keep doing this shit.
>>235650Consider this as the best all-around option:
https://www.combatsports.com/combat-sports-140-lb-legged-grappling-dummy.html?mkwid=_dc&pcrid=&pkw=&pmt=&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=18143158460&gbraid=0AAAAAD86wooURtjLbysI0ll7oE6Ls6IYl&gclid=CjwKCAjw3_PCBhA2EiwAkH_j4vKQnOWCQmEbOheAtZgvjF8xYsa5gcKyn-wGdxieUEBfrfJqZNt7cBoCQBUQAvD_BwE
Cheapest option would be one of those strongman sandbags like the blue IronMind ones and just fill it with some sand and use that, I do that.
Another option might be those lifeguard dummies but those are like $1500.
A really funny option would be to hire an escort once a week and wrestler them for an hour.
>>235659>that one nigga that tries to "reverse" your throwswtf thats literally me
>>235659>not finishing standingskill issue
>>235659more like killed this websites
all board except the fast ones like /pol/ or /v/ have slown down significantly
The hack exposed a lot of theories that people disregarded as schizobanter to be true.
>>236280so people are either lurking or all altogether not using the website
I tried BJJ. Boring as fuck, 0 serotonin after training. Maybe I got filtered.
Judo post training feels better than fentanyl.
I do admit the gameplay is quite different from judo in my limited experience. This may seem obvious, but I thought it would have been something like battlefield vs cod. Nope. It's far more about angles and pressure
>>236280if anyone still browses /pol/ today he's either mossad or a retard
i tried my judo in sumo, i got one throw, otherwise it was hard to do judo on fat naked people
judo lied to me :(
>>236325you just need more kuzushi o algo
cute girl tooted last night while practicing break falls
I am an early white belt. I've been in and out of training due to a series of bad luck (involving my heel) and constant illnesses during Spring. I am ready to try again now that I think I am fully healed up (and hoping I don't end up having more dogshit luck)
Out of curiosity, I believe my instructor taught me how to break-fall from the side and falling on my back, but I've yet to learn how to do a frontal breakfall or even to do a roll yet. Should I ask before the lesson starts? Or do I wait for the right moment where he teaches everyone?
>>237140It won't hurt to ask. Worst case scenario he tells you to wait until he covers it in class, best case scenario you get some extra help earlier. Breakfalls, once you know what you're doing, are a good thing to drill daily on your own so getting started right away is best. There are both forward breakfalls and forward-rolling breakfalls, see the image at
>>234919
am I an asshole for not letting the white belts get a submission on me while doing ne waza? there's a chimp strong white belt who managed to put me into turtle using pure strength and I went full defense mode for what felt like minutes of him trying to get hooks around my neck (high probability the only submission bro knows is RNC from MMA)
I am not good at judo but I have fun learning and talking with more experienced trainers(?). They are very nice to me and I feel as though I am doing something with my life other than just working and playing games. But I am a 30 year old man and I know my limitations but sometimes it feels as though I'm doing this out of midlife crisis. Some people are really cool actually, it's nice to know there are people I can take traits from and become 'cool' myself. But internally it's been a game changer to my mindset.
>>237396Nothing should ever be given for free
You're only doing him a disservice by giving a false positive and letting him think it worked when it really didn't
>>237404you can just do things. not everything is a midlife crisis.
>>237140Gotcha. Only issue is, can't practice at home. Don't have any mats.
>>237396As a white belt, I don't mind. I like dealing with opponents that go all-out because it means I can test my limits.
>>237404I felt the same way regarding my Quarter Life Crisis. But really Martial Arts was just something I wanted to do for years but just kept procrastinating on. Only started taking it seriously recently. Just my bad luck I get hit by the worst injuries and illnesses after my fourth week and miss out on a few months worth of Judo. GG
why is there UFC BJJ but no UFC Judo?
>>237430The audacity they have calling it "BJJ" when it's nogi submission grappling
It's a totally home grown american rule set, it has nothing to do with Brazil in any way
is the Georgian reverse yoko wakare dangerous?
people on reddit are saying IJF should ban it
https://old.reddit.com/r/judo/comments/1hy8yx7/reverse_yoko_wakare_injury/
looks like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSLE0vvtR3g
>>237472Sacrifice throws should only be able to earn a half point max
>>237428Ah shit, I am retarded, accidentally replied to myself, meant to reply to
>>237287Also yeah, he basically told me I have to wait till he covers it in class and there's more white belts present. I got no problem with that.
My performance overall was a LOT worse since I forgot pretty much everything, only basic throw I remembered fully was Osoto Gari and I still feel I fucked it up. I'll have to catch up a lot.
>>237428>Quarter Life CrisisLife crisis' arent a real thing as they are purely psychological and can happen to anyone at anytime. Some people never experience them. Some people do. Many people think life crisi is something that's ingrained in us. When in reality it's just a psychological response to FOMO happening at a later stage of your life.
An old man driving a corvette isnt a midlife crisis as the old man could be rich and as a kid he wanted a corvette and can afford one now. Can he still speed and be as rowdy as he was when he was a kid with it withiut risking a nasty accident.
no but that's not going to stop him from at least cruising with it and enjoying it as a weekend car. Same thing with an old man riding motorcycle. It all becomes a midlife crisis when they start doing stuff that doesnt match their age like an old man buying a motorcycle and then joining a biker gang. Stuff that is out of context for your being/character.
Example: A 60 year old man getting into martial arts and NOT wanting to be slow and cautious and doing it because they want a black belt. Because either way he is going to need to be slow and cautious and is probably gonna die depending on tjeir health before they get anywhere near their black belt
>>237532now an old man getting into marial arts wont be a mid life crisis in the context of. They just have time to do it and need something to do and a place to spend their time.
It is a simple fact of life that some people simply cannot stand being alone
>>237459Pointless distinction when virtually all competitors train BJJ
For better or worse, the terms are synonymous now
>>237480Because you're sacrificing a standing position?
I think full point if you're able to secure a pin/sub immediately, other wise half point would be fair
But then you'd have a whole thing about what is and isn't a sacrifice throw and people complaining about being 'robbed'. It's probably not worth it
>>237607I refuse to let BJJ continue to be a chameleon and retroactively take credit for all the new rules and innovations other people come up with
Otherwise kickboxing is karate
>>237624Reducing a martial art to a set of techniques is retarded
Or does shooting a double leg make you a wrestler, not a judoka
>>237607>But then you'd have a whole thing about what is and isn't a sacrifice throw and people complaining about being 'robbed'. It's probably not worth itOnly throws where tori stays on his feet should score a full point.
>>237532>Life crisis' arent a real thing>It all becomes a midlife crisis when
>>237738There's a lot of potential for inconsistent scoring and arguments over what exactly constitutes staying on one's feet
>>237741Have clear definitions and it should be fine. Any part of tori's body other than his feet touching the mat should hurt his score, with a possible exception for the knuckles of the hand gripping uke's gi.
>>237741Did some part of your body other than your feet touch the ground?
blew out the ass seam of my gi pants
>>237906THANKS FOR THE MILK, MARK
>>237820>Rhetorical Judo>Retard is in a Karate pose and does no grappling for the whole comic, only kiaisDobson is an absolute retard
>>235665>https://www.combatsports.com/combat-sports-140-lb-legged-grappling-dummy.html?mkwid=_dc&pcrid=&pkw=&pmt=&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=18143158460&gbraid=0AAAAAD86wooURtjLbysI0ll7oE6Ls6IYl&gclid=CjwKCAjw3_PCBhA2EiwAkH_j4vKQnOWCQmEbOheAtZgvjF8xYsa5gcKyn-wGdxieUEBfrfJqZNt7cBoCQBUQAvD_BwE424 dollaridoos for that? tf?
make a new thread already
>>238044I was going to wait for page 8.
>>238045why? sumo gets like a thread every week
>>238072Sumo is about unsightly excess.
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