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Anyone got any good webms or gifs? On my new PC so I don't have any. Someone should just rip all the prokyokushin shorts into webms.

I have a weird problem in sparring. I seem to not remember most of what I did in the whole duration. I'm still surprised by the stuff I see in the videos of my sparring sessions. Small things like blocking/reacting to incoming strikes, dodging foot sweeps, etc and other stuff I can't recall. Some reactions look straight out of a kata. Does anyone have the same experience?

My GOAT

If only he and Eremenko were a different generation.. No matter how old he gets he seems to always be at the top of almost every tournament he enters. Sad that he has somehow never won a World Open...

>>231113
who's that?

>>231283
Yuki Yoza

I don't think running is bad, but I also think you don't need to run every day if you're training to fight. I think a lot of the running everyday for Muay Thai is to build endurance for some of the really long fights they have, but also to quickly get people up to speed if they're unfamiliar with fight training. Training to fight in any kind of martial art requires a lot more than a few hours a week.

>>232080

>>232126
Liam and Petch have been fighting for decades, Liam is at the very end of his career so running is actually damaging for his body, plus his mentality and endurance is already extremely well trained. Petch is most likely in the same position as well. Running routinely is ideal for beginner to mid level athletes.

I'm kind of bored with BJJ should I check out karate?

>>232261
Yes. Bjj is a gay tournament meme just like tae kwon do was 20 years ago. If nothing else karate helps you learn your own body. Just do yourself a favor and do research. Dont just join a random strup mall KARATE dojo.

>>232293
Let's say you're near St Louis, where would you go?

>>232301
Just look for a style that interests you. I like okinawan styles (think earth bending from avatar) so currently i take seidokan which is shorin ryu combined with a lot of pressure points and grip techniques. I would recommend maybe a shorin ryu or some variant. Look for a place that not only claims to have affiliation with the grand master/main school, but also regularly goes to train with them like every year or so. Bonus points if they have multiple black belts who still regularly attend. It will take some reseach but when you find a place it is worth it. Places that evolve their own style and refine it as a sort of round table with the masters are cool too. And foe the love of god avoid the places that are essentially history lessons if you can unless you want to memorize and be tested on lineage master names and other pointless shit like that.

>>232080
>>232126
LMAO of course you don't need to run anymore if you trained for 20 years and probably ran first 5 years. Do you know what GPP is and why beginners spend a lot of time of first their years to train it? It's a rhetorical question since you are a k*rateka and don't know shit about propper training

>>231286
Reminder that Nasukawa didn't train classic kyokushin, he was training for shin karate. You just proving my point

>>232554
>retard who hates karate yet spends all day in the karate thread
what did he mean by this?

>>232592
>not coming to the thread for 7 days
>came once to piss on the fools' faces
>"you spend all day ITT!!!"
LMAO
By the way, how exactly your post disproves anything I wrote? Nasukawa didn't compete in shin karate? GPP doesn't exist?

I just learned i am getting my yellow. Wish me luck on seisan, fucking 96 moves and the death of my progression. Open to any tips.

Sparring on monday for the first time against a fellow classmate. I hope i dont sperg out and strike at fuĺl power.

I study seidokan

>>232715
Are you same Seido-kun that was posting here like five years ago?

>>232718
I only started lurking this board recently so nah. I just thought i was being clever and original...i guess not lol

>>232719
My bad, I thought seidokan is same thing as seidokaikan. That anon did seidokaikan

>>232539
I don't know anyhting about style,s I want to be able to punch and kick. should I just box instead

>>232935
Do kickboxing or muay thai. Karate is for 60's aesthetics (80's if you are amerifat)

>>233029
There are plenty of karateka that do well in kickboxing and MMA. No need to be a dick.

>>233058
>There are plenty of karateka
These karatekas train in styles that have nothing to do with karate except name

How dangerous is the KO by karate chop to the side of the neck AKA brachial stun? How does it compare to a more traditional head knockout like you often see in boxing? I’ve read about it and am curious about what it’s like to experience it but don’t want to do that if there’s risk of permanent damage. Looking at the internet it seems like science might not even understand how it works, I’ve seen some people attribute it to a brachial nerve strike while other’s say that’s a myth and it’s actually the vagus nerve and carotid arteries; I also vaguely remember some people saying it’s too do with the carotid sinuses.

>>232715
Seisan is a difficult kata? What?
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENYFu2DZ-bc
Doesn't seem that bad. I do Shotokan, but for some reason I learned Bassai Dai quicker than Tekki Sandan (standing on horse stance then doing a bunch of moves in quick succession before moving was annoying, but it became my most frequent weapon set in kumite). Try not to be daunted by the number of moves (who the hell counted those?). What I do to remember moves from a kata is to remember the obvious uses of the moves without the jap names for it (block + punch, grab head then knee, this is an arm grab, this is another arm grab, backfist + Kiai, etc.). Goodluck on your belt exam and sparring, SeidokanAnon. Try not to get injured.
>I hope i dont sperg out and strike at fuĺl power
Do it

>>233106
I really doubt the use and effectivity of the knife hand unless you practice that regularly on the makiwara or at least on a heavy bag.

>>233112
>>233106
The shuto/tegatana/knifehand/swordhand should be done with the bone in the heel of the hand, which is just before the wrist, and regardless of bullshido, it's like those self defence videos where people smack each other with their forearms or clothesline each other and one guy goes flying. If you tense your hand properly, and have spent a long time training to strike with that part of your body, you could probably fuck someone up, but you could also just powerslam your forearm into the same place and get the same result.

>>233191
That one guy from Kuro Obi, Tatsuya Naka, he loves the shuto the neck/side of the jaw rather than the brachial nerve, but I can imagine getting hit full pelt by him would suck regardless of the position.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhQuE5Vt5kM

>>233192
That iron fist guy is a bit of an otaku which is awesome. Dude has his makiwara/iron hand conditioning rig, exercising equipment, and kobudo weapons in his manga collection library.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJa7B-gWDU4&t=399s

>>233089
>These karatekas train in styles that have nothing to do with karate except name
Yoza and Nasukawa both have Kyokushin backgrounds.

>>233860
I already wrote Nasukawa did shin karate which is kickboxing in kimono

>>233873
Nobody cares about your schizo ramblings, smelly pajeet.

Y'all niggas fuck with surf ninjas or 3 ninjas

>>233924
>another fart instead of argument
as expected

What do we think about tang soo do?

>>233873
It was Kyokushin not shin karate.

>>234131
You do what you preparing to compete in. It can be called anything, but if you preparing for what is essentially a kickboxing ruleset, then it is kickboxing.

>>234150
>You do what you preparing to compete in
And he competed in kyokushin.

It's sad now that I've studied ecological Dynamics and differential learning
Karate is not just wrong, it's almost like it was maliciously designed to make your skill acquisition as slow and ineffective as possible

>>234259
He competed in shin karate

>>234278
And kyokushin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMQC5fYScd8

>>234150
Buakaw isn't a muay thai fighter by that logic.

>>234282
As 10 years old kid? Don't care, means nothing. Same shit with GSP doing kyokushin as little kid and never turning to it again.
>>234283
How so? Untill 2003 he did and competed in Muay Thai, in 2004 competed in K1, in 2005 competed in Muay Thai again.

>>233873
>if it's kickboxing it doesn't count as karate reeeeeeee
Why do thaicels get so upset about this? You don't see people saying muay thai is fake because it doesn't look like muay boran.

>>234391
Karate pretends to be more than just kickboxing, because it has LOL kata (useless), LMAO bunkai (useless) and ROFL grappling techniques (terrible). But essentially it boils down to just kickboxing at best or to a shitty kickboxing at worst. Thai doesn't pretend to be anything but just a sport with kicks, punches, elbows and knees.

>>233971
>toilet humor posting
A real smelly pajeet.

>>234459
>fart
ok

>>234462
>more toilet humor
Go shit in the streets like the animal you are

>>234474
>fart fart
ok

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFCT8jI524c

https://youtu.be/9-ylQn8VycI?si=u7QF19pLZoazb1Ry which of these schools could beat goku in a fight?

So ive learned how to find a dojo that isnt a mcdojo. My next question is how do i find a dojo that isnt a mcdojo and also doesnt have kids or religious affiliation in america? I want to learn karate, not be at a fucking day care church charity.

Is kyokushin karate good or is it a meme?

>>235028
>and also doesnt have kids
Tough sell for any martial arts school, let alone karate. Kids classes are where the money is. Even moderately sized gyms with professional fighters will still have kids classes to pay the bills. Only high level mega-gyms with dozens of pros won't have them.

>or religious affiliation in america?
wtf. I've never seen an American karate place with religious ties in my life.

Uhhhhhh Karate bros.... our response???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qhOJ7BZuxk

>>233089
I started off doing Shotokan as a kid and the stuff I learned translated pretty well when I got into kickboxing. Granted I had a first generation ancient okinawan sensei who focused on sparring over kata and beat us with sticks. I know that's not a typical experience especially in the 90s era of mcdojos.

>>235166
Shotokan is ok depending on training style, I wrote about it here >>228150 and here >>218891 and another anon wrote good commentary here >>230477

>>235158
>2year old video
Jesse enkamp wrecked ramsey and will do it again

>>235047
It's good fun, memes or not, it's some of the most fun you can have in a combat sport without getting your nose broken.

>>235170
How? Did they fight or something?

>see karate get a lot of criticism... particularly online
>no big deal; everything gets shit online
>decide that it isn't enough to just take other people's opinions as fact and that i should try karate to see and experience it for myself
>find a highly recommended dojo in my area that teaches okinawan karate
>the dojo presents itself as a place that strictly teaches non-competition, traditional okinawan karate with a focus on self defence
>perfect
>after about six months of training, i take some time off while an injury heals
>while away from training, i realise that i've just been going to each lesson and doing what i'm told without really thinking about any of it and that this is the first time i've really processed it
>i begin to realise that despite what they told me to expect, they haven't actually spent much time at all teaching me how to defend myself
>most of the time has been spent either doing complex drills with training partners, that frankly would be hard to remember how to carry out in a high-stress situation, and it's mostly being done to training partners who are sort of physically resisting, but not properly fighting back against me
>that and kata
>so much kata
>the instructors had told me that only high grades are allowed to spar
>i never had a problem with the rule itself, but in the six months or so i was there, i also never saw anybody spar. no high grade students, no instructors, nobody
>my view of karate quickly soured and i never went back after i had finished healing
Please tell me that my assessment of traditional karate is wrong. I came into this not with an open mind, but actually being a little biased in favour of karate. I wanted so badly for it to be better and more practical than what I experienced. Please tell me that I've missed some important detail, or that my assessment of it is incomplete. Because I still want there to be more to it than what I experienced, but at this stage that all just seems like wishful thinking.

>>235422
You found a shitty dojo. Im sorry anon. Ive also been doing okinawan (seidokan) for 6 months but my experience is the complete opposite. Ive sparred in 3 fight nights, we do a different type of lesson every class and i kind of wish we did kata more desu. Also the head sensei (we have about 15 black belts) ALWAYS tries to explain the purpose behind everything and how it would be implemented in the field, even down to each move in a kata. They claim to not do tournaments, but they seem open to it and always mention tournament rules during fight night so i think we might compete in the future potentially. Its also awesome having as many black belts that we do because they all excel at something different and explain things in different ways.

Theyre also all going to okinawa this summer for a month to train under the grand master of seidokan which is neat. They do this semi regularly so i hope the old bastard lives long enough for me to go as well.

Another cool thing is they encourage learning other forms of martial arts and once a month we have guest senseis and hanshis do seminars at the dojo itself for like 8 hours on a saturday. Also doesnt hurt that our annual fee is $80.

>>235460
What's the purpose of age uke?

>>235536
To protect your head and create an opening potentially? It depends on the context i guess but most likely to divert someone swingin down on your ass with a bat or something especially if youre a manlet. Also allows for quick transition into walk like an egyptian.

>>235536
>>235539
>protecting your head
Huh...I used it to attack someone's jaw before while pulling his arm toward me. I just usually just parry attacks to my head in sparring.

>>235547
I didnt even think about using it offensively. Shit you could probably transition it into grabbing the back of their collar and pull them down into your onee or something too

>>235460
Other than the sparring, that sounds exactly like the place I was at. Lots of black belts (like a lot; most of them started back in the 80s or 90s, if not much earlier). They explain the purpose of everything you do, they go on group trips to train in Okinawa, the other stuff you mentioned. Even down to recommending you learn other things, as well. They told me they used to spar when they were younger, but they stopped it altogether as they got older, but were thinking about doing more of it again. Whatever, that's their business. But meanwhile, there were loads of younger students there who weren't getting the chance to do that. I didn't actually have a problem with doing the kata. After all, I was there to try traditional Okinawan karate, and I was already told ahead of time that that would be a big part of it. But two people practicing complex stand-up grappling drills without proper resistance just seemed like a good way to lose the moment someone fights back with intensity.
The other part that bothered me was that even they seemed to be aware that some of the things they were teaching weren't the most practical and efficient, but that they'd teach you alternatives as you got more advanced. They never really explained why on that, though.
All in all, if I go back to training, I think I'm just going to pick something simpler, with more regular sparring, and something with more resistance from training partners. Shit, when I did boxing, you'd at least get hit a tap in the head with a pad if you fucked up a slip or a roll.

>>235422
Okinawan karate and "traditional karate" outside of Japan and okinawa is nearly always based on shit some GIs learnt in the 60s and is still stuck in thatv era, completely stagnant.

>>235560
You on the east coast?

Why not start your own sparring club?

>>235539
>To protect your head and create an opening potentially?
And when you last time used it in sparrings in such way?

>>235603
I don't live in the USA. I'm not interested in starting anything. I'd rather just train at a place that offers something more in line with what they said they have. I still like those people, I just won't train with them again.

>>235536

>>235613
Back in april actually

>>235619
That's seiken juji uke by the look of it

>>235586
Is there anything you dont complain about?

>>235622
Lucky block. Not even sure what that would combo into

>>235613
It's true anon, yeah it's better than karate daycare places, but a lot of the old GI karate is stuck in the 50s and 60s. I like traditional karate don't get me wrong, but it needs more than just karategis and storied histories. You need a real connection to Japan, to Okinawa, to other dojos and other people who are all focused on mastering the same art.
>>235627
I think we train to use one hand to catch the limb that's being blocked and the other to retaliate.

>>230926 (OP)
Sponge

How do you anons deal with being paired up girls in your dojo? I feel like it is good practice for them to repel a sex pest if nothing else

>>235619
Funny because not a single karateka who trains these blocks religiously can do them in the fight, but some muay thai boxer who never trained them did. Shows the value of blocks
>>235621
Such valuable technique that you didn't use for 3 months? Cool. What attack did you block with it?

>>235555
>Shit you could probably transition it into grabbing the back of their collar and pull them down into your knee or something too
Oh damn, you're right! I need to remember that and experiment with it with a bro of mine and our kouhai in the dojo.

>>235632
i'm not a fan because i'm a large guy and if you fall wrong, like on top of a small woman or girl, it's risking hurting them. at least if they're all adults everyone knows the risk but teen females won't stick around if you scare them from hitting a pad they're holding too hard

>>235536
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9y2rpbxfhI

>>235701
>this video again

>>235701
>ugh... age uke is a block!
>no, it is a grip breaking technique!
>no, it is a punch to the trhoat!
>no, it is a choke!
>I got it guys! Great masters of karate created age uke in a such way that IT IS ALL OF THEM AT ONCE!

>>235757
Are you so autistic that you can only think of 1 application per technique potentially? Do you think fighting is like your japanese sentais where you shout the attack and it is done the exact same way in the same situation over and over again?

>>235788
>Are you so autistic that you can only think of 1 application per technique potentially?
These are not different applications of the same technique, these are different techniques, because they have different everything - timing, use, application of force, enters. They may seem to be same technique in different situations only to absolute retards that never do them in free sparrings. Or dou you think you can use arm drag from wrestling like block from a punch? Do you think every time you do arm drag to the air you also train it like a block from a punch?
>Do you think fighting is like your japanese sentais where you shout the attack and it is done the exact same way in the same situation over and over again?
What? I didn't get it. Seems like some weeb projections. Try not to be virgin next time you write to me.

>>235814
Blocks and wrist control make it so i can escape from would be rapists. I wont waste my time explaining it to a rapist such as yourself.

Karatebros, why are full contact karate styles mostly advertised towards children and shotokan towards boomers? How can we change this? I'm in Eastern EU.

Surprisingly good karate film despite being about a high school girl, Naka carries the film but Rin Takeda is very fun. Silly plot but who cares we just want to see good karate on the big screen

>>235954
Children like fighting and want to be the next mcgregor

>>235422
Find a dojo that spars.
The Kyokushin dojo I go to spars at all belt levels.
I had to go up against black belts while being a white belt.

Aside from kuro obi, is there any other movie that accurately displays okinawan karate? I guess karate kid is all we have. Never strike first, but striking first is the only way to win. I want to live, but i dont want to be taken advantage of. I honestly feel like rage is the answer.

>>236052
>>236042
Bad guy from Black belt is in this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xhIQTEhYxM
bros.... is karate just watered down Kudo?

>>236162
Kudo is not Karate. It's MMA that incorporates Boxing and Judo

>>236246
Except it was founded by a Kyokushin instructor

>>236162
No kata - no karate, simple as

>>236261
Kenji Kurosaki founded kickboxing gym Mejiro, was it also karate?

>>236042
>Short skirts
>Karate
>Sukebans in modern Japan for some reason
>So many panty shots (I hope)
>Tatsuya Naka
Damn I need to watch this

>>236266
yes.

>>236277
barely any panties on show desu lad

>>236342
What kata teaches boxing shuttle?

>>236349
what katas teach kaiten mawashi geri?

>>236372
Yeah, my bad. How didn't I see that boxing shuttle was invented under kyokushin ruleset. That's why it's called boxing shuttle

>>236343
So....short skirts and spats?

>>236384
Most karate kicks are from savate, why shouldn't we use other techniques?

>>236468
>if karateka uses X it is karate even if X is from Y
>if kickboxer uses X it is not kickboxing, it is still karate because... ugh... IDK, karate is contagious or something!
I still didn't get why Kenji Kurosaki taught kyokushin in Mejiro gym. Wasn't he preparing his athletes for competing under kickboxing and muay thai rulesets?

>>236162
any martial art that uses gloves or headgear is fake

>>236575
wdhmbt

>>230926 (OP)
TKD > Karate

>>236689
Total Kike Death?

anyone know anything about Byakuren Kaiken?

I bought a 150 page book that is purely about seisan, AMA

>>232205
>>232554
Look shit for brains, do you have any idea how many other ways to train cardio there are besides running? They are speaking specifically about endurance running. The patterns of intensity in roadwork is not at all sport specific. You'd be better off doing sprints or bouts on an incline treadmill/stairmaster.
>hurrdurr but they've been training for however long blah blah blah
You obviously have no fucking clue how quickly cardio adaptations go away, pretty fucking fast, especially the older you get cause your total lung volume decreases. Instead of citing their time spent training as a reason for.why they're wrong you should be citing their age & experience for why they might be on to something.

>>237235
OMG, you don't understand what is GPP and why it is a special thing and what qualities are GPP, you don't understand what is aerobic fitness and why it is tranferable and important, you don't understand different energy systems in body and how do they work, you don't understand what is stroke volume, mitochondria and VO2max, you don't understand why XC skiing is best cardio followed by running and cycling followed by rowing. You know nothing, you are literal sub 80 IQ nigger, a k*rateka.
>besides running
>You'd be better off doing sprints
Sprinting is running, you retarded piece of shit.
>The patterns of intensity in roadwork is not at all sport specific
1) That's why it is called GPP 2) sprinting is no more sport specific to fighting sports than slow running. Squatting 200 kg is not sport specific to fighting sports, yet Andy Hug squatted 200 kg.
>You obviously have no fucking clue how quickly cardio adaptations go away
>pretty fucking fast
Amazing analysis, keep us updated

>>237230
Does it make any references to Shotokan's Hangetsu, specifically it's differences to it?

>>237255
>you don't understand what is GPP and why it is a special thing
By definition, it isnt. That's why general is in the fucking name
>you don't understand what is stroke volume, mitochondria and VO2max
Picrel
>Sprinting is running
If you think that's what they meant or that HIIT cardio affects you the same as steady state, then you're the retarded piece of shit. It's funny you want to talk about energy systems and what not but then go ahead and equate those two.
>Amazing analysis, keep us updated
Oh, you want more? In the first 2 weeks you'll lose up to 10% of your VO2max as plasma volume decreases. By 4 weeks you lose another 10% and your lactate threshold is nearly back to of you were completely untrained, your mitochondrial density will also be almost back to sedentary levels, and your resting and submaximal heart rates will be at untrained levels again.
>General Physical Preparedness
Is not special and is not appropriate for really any kind of fucking athlete. About the only thing I'd use it for is P.E. students.

>>237255
>you don't understand why XC skiing is best cardio
Oh and this is a fucking joke right? Cause if we're talking about what singular activity provides the best cardio stimulus. It's swimming, it's always fucking swimming, and you suggesting that dumbshit made me audibly kek.

>>237271
By word "special" I meant "why everyone cares about it, why is it valuable", not that it is "specialized". English is not my native.
>Picrel
>look at my k*neshitology degree!
Ah, amerifat education.
>In the first 2 weeks you'll lose up to 10% of your VO2max
You lose it while doing what? Sitting on your ass? Doing regular fighting training? Regular fighting training and one long running session per week?
>If you think that's what they meant
I wrote it specifically bacause separating sprinting from running is retarded since even distance runners do tempo runs and sprints. You sometimes need both, for example Gabriel Varga does both long distance running and sprints in training week. BUT, long distance running gives you biggest part of aerobic fitness, since sprints are needed mainly to teach your perifery system to utilize oxygen, and you can do same thing with just intense fighting exercises that are specific to sport, but you can't do them for aerobic fitness since no form of fighting can give you same oxygen uptake level compared to XC skiing, cycling, running or rowing. Even shadow boxing and rope jumps suck for that.
>you probably thought HIIT cardio affects you the same as steady state
Yeah, when I wrote steady state is better than sprinting I definitely thought steady state and HIIT are exact same things.
>It's swimming, it's always fucking swimming
Never expected fucking k*neshitologist would say any smart thing LMAO. Swimming is the worst form of cardio. Swimmers that transfer to triathlon always struggle more because of their shit VO2max. Not only oxygen uptake while swimming is lower than in running and cycling, but also you need excellent relaxed technique to train it, which is bad bad thing if it is not your main sport.

>>237256
Lets take a look. Also the crazy thing is the author died almost directly after i ordered it. He was like the only western "historian" of shorin ryu and a close personal friend to my sensei. Shame i never got a chance to meet him.

>>237316
Forgot my pic, derp. God i hate tuide.

>>237318
Well thats embarassing...i have a flip phone and its portrait pictures are a bit to long natively for the chon. It doesnt look like this has comparative study, but i wouldnt rule it out because these dickks love to talk shit on other schools (tsundere as fuck). If not here, maybe some of his other works in the karate mags.

>>237278
>>237272
I dunno guys. Sensei Al says the best way to train cardio is doing movement drills while running basics. Doing 100 punches, 100 kicks, etc. Seems to work for me as i get winded a lot less now, still probably ain't great on the knees. I am considering doing it at high altitudes or in the river near my house. Need to wait for the water level to recede tho. I think snowboarding might be good too since i have my bindings set to a kibodashi (that was on accident, but a happy accident). I smoked for 15 years, but now i only vape and i recently did a 5k obstacle course run and managed to keep up with the track team 20 year old guys on my team. Absolutely recommend an obstacle course as alternative training as well. I borrow the mentality from ranma 1/2 of anything in life being a training opportunity.

>>237325
If you beginner everything works. That's why it is good for beginner to not over specialize and train a little bit of everything - some strength, some aerobic endurance, some hiit, some push ups and pull ups etc. It is good to train some aerobic endurance which is for example slow running for 30-45 min with condition to pass talking test to ensure this is realy slow run. You need aerobic endurance to recover between workouts and even between intense exercises, fighting rounds etc.
Doing 100 punches and 100 kicks will not only give you some strength endurance, but also when you drill technique you work on movement economy, your body starts to move more coordinated and more relaxed resulting in what you may feel like more endurance.

>>237376
Eh, fuck running. I just practice crescent steps with my drills or moving after kicks. Seems to do well enough.

Also having a standing desk at work is clutch, i basically spend all day in a kibodachi or the other stances. Sure i look like a dork, but i dont need a chair like the other plebians.

>>237278
Swimming is & always will be the best cardio on the planet for people doing martial arts/contact sports.
>Swimmers that transfer to triathlon always struggle more because of their shit VO2max.
Yeah gonna need some proof of that cause literally never heard it except from your dumbass. The reduced oxygen uptake causes the body to make adaptations to better use what O2 they get. The fact is swimming is pretty much the only cardio activity that can work total body muscular endurance with zero impact, meaning there is practically no wear & tear to interfere with training. You can reply if you like but I'm posting more so for others at this point, I've written you off as a braindead dipshit with no more than cursory internet research as your only pitiful claim to authority on this subject. The only downside to swimming is availability.

>>237502
I gave you data as proof, you gave me some retarded wrong reasonings behind your own lengthy reflections. You are extremely stupid and don't know shit.
>Yeah gonna need some proof of that cause literally never heard it except from your dumbass
How you can hear that from anyone if you don't have friends and is literally retarded braindeead k*neshitologist?
>The reduced oxygen uptake causes the body to make adaptations to better use what O2 they get
FUCKING LMAO, what other k*neshitologist revelations we will hear? Push ups and 20 rep squats are even better cardio than swimming because they have even less oxygen uptake?
>The fact is swimming is pretty much the only cardio activity that can work total body muscular endurance
XC skiing and rowing already do that with greater oxygen uptake.
>with zero impact
Enough with downsides, what are the benefits?
>meaning there is practically no wear & tear to interfere with training
Cycling, XC skiing and rowing already do that while also having greater oxygen uptake.
>muscular endurance
Fucking amerifat education. Muscular endurance is not transferable quality, you should train muscular endurance by doing your sport specific exercises. That's why runners or skiers don't train muscular endurance by kettlebell swings, but can train strength with barbell strength training and stroke volume with any other cardio activity (because strength and aerobic cardio are transferable qualities).

>>237510
>gave you data as proof
No, you didn't.
>Cycling, XC skiing and rowing already do that
No, they don't.
>Muscular endurance is not transferable quality
Lol keep raging retard.
>amerifat education
Ever fancy a look at the demographics of higher education in the U.S.? It's not very American, because the entire world sends their best and brightest to be educated here. I don't know what shit hole corner of the world you're from but I guarantee even there, young adults are thirsting for opportunities to come study here.

>>237528
>ahhhh... ugh... ummm... just, no! keep raging! swimming is good strength endurance exercise for fighting sports! I did not shit in my pants!
kek, smartest k*neshitologist: the post
>Ever fancy a look at the demographics of higher education in the U.S.? It's not very American, because the entire world sends their best and brightest to be educated here. I don't know what shit hole corner of the world you're from but I guarantee even there, young adults are thirsting for opportunities to come study here.
Retarded take, people go for amerifat education hoping to stay in USA to get high amerifat standards of life and for career opportunities, not because of your education. It is absolutely advised in Russia to get bachelor degree in Russia and move only for master degree or PhD, because fundamental education is much better than in USA. For example Zorich is much better and more complicated mathematical analysis book than Apostol or whatever you have in MIT, I'm not even talking about any of your other universities

>>237553
Yes becauae russia is so renowned for its higher education internationally....

Im suprised daddy putin lets you use normal people internet.

Schizo rambling and bizarre autistic self censorship of the word kinesiologist aside, what would you recommend for arm stamina training aside from pushups?

I guess this question is open to all anons. Im trying to futher conidition my forearms specifically.

>>237573
>Yes becauae russia is so renowned for its higher education internationally....
In bachelor degrees maths, physics and such things - yes.
>Im suprised daddy putin lets you use normal people internet.
China has even more censorship yet they crush everyone in math olympiad
>what would you recommend for arm stamina training
What the fuck is arm stamina? What the problem are you trying to solve?

>>237603
Bagwork made my forearms stiff all around and tired as fuck after only 20 min. I dont always have access to a bag so i was wondering if there were other good exercises aside from just punching at the air.

>>237609
ASide from bagwork you have shadowboxing, pads, thai pads, and underestimated but valuable is kyokushin style utase.

>>237609
You're clenching your fist too much. Get good at keeping your hand closed and only tensing your fist when you throw a punch. There is no amount of bagwork that should be making your forearms stiff. This is a common new comer issue, no offense intended. It's just like new guys in boxing who gas out WAY too early cause they constantly have their shoulders primed. Your ready stance should be as relaxed as possible. The only constant tension should be the spring in your step, every thing else should be resting in place with only as much tension as it takes to hold form.

>>237609
sounds like you're not punching with your body

I just found out that the original sparring for Karate is "Kake-kumite". It's like Wing Chun's chisao, but if Motobu Choki's book is to be believed, it's a fucked up version of it with kicking someone in the balls being a valid move, so is throwing, and you risk getting struck so hard you lose consciousness (which is mental considering the videos and pictures I saw of it target only the body). The bunkai of the katas suddenly make sense when you're stuck in stand up grappling range with your homie. Why isn't this done more? Is it because of the Japanization of Karate, making the kumite more like Kendo?

>>237777
>>237749
Ive tied a weight to a stick and have been rolling it up and down slowly with my fingertips. Its brtual but i can feel it working all of the muscles in my fore arm

the more I do jiujitsu the more I see kata movements come up as grappling techniques
it's too bad karate has decided to interpret them as weird retarded strikes and spend 0% of the time applying them in live scenarios like they are meant to be

>>237977
>wrist roller
I really need to make one of those. I do nigiri game and chishi for my hojo undo.

>>237969
A lot of old school karate was just having a scrap, lots of stories of the old masters putting themselves into bad places on purpose to have fights to test techniques. War ends, someone within the allied high command bans all martial arts sparring and practice. Karate for some reason wasn't included, possibly because it wasn't part of the Japanese education system, however because of these rules the funakoshi style of sundome of long distance, no touching became the standard

>>237999
Isn't it kind of a shame that the universally accepted to be the least combat effective style of karate became the most wide spread one

>>238007
It's called appealing to the lowest common denominator, no one who does WKF karate or whatever would want to train like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_zmL6BRCOA

>>238009
aawwee man I love that "wall sparring" they do. This happens in the dojo I go to during sparring, but only because the place is tiny not a specific training activity.

>>238074
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cuZdj6auW8
I hate British people so much

>>238305
>Goes to Sweden
>Tinder whores
>Goes to Jesse's
>Does Kote Kitae
>No Kihon
>Does some kata a newbie shouldn't do (does it badly)
>Some sparring (loses)
>Board breaking
The BJJ guy who went to Jesse's twice was more entertaining and interesting than this Bongistani.

>>238393
>The BJJ guy who went to Jesse's twice
I know a grifter when I see one