Thread 231659

75th Yokozuna edition

>Banzuke:
http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Banzuke.aspx
https://www.sumo.or.jp/EnHonbashoBanzuke/index/

>Fight Schedule & Results:
https://www.sumo.or.jp/EnHonbashoMain/torikumi/1/1/

>Some sumo links and how to watch live:
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>Beya Youtube channels:
>Futagoyama
https://www.youtube.com/@futagoyama-sumofood
>Isegahama
https://www.youtube.com/@isegahamabeya
>Kise
https://www.youtube.com/@kisebeya
>Tatsunami
https://www.youtube.com/@tatsunami-beya
>Tamanoi
https://www.youtube.com/@sumo-tamanoibeya
>Hidenoyama
https://www.youtube.com/@hidenoyama
>Oshima
https://www.youtube.com/@oshimabeya
>Minato
https://www.youtube.com/@湊部屋どすこいチャンネル
>Shikoroyama
https://www.youtube.com/@shikoroyamabeya
>Akasayama
https://www.youtube.com/@浅香山部屋公式チャンネル

Previous thread
>>230012

Legitimate thread for the legitimate Yokozuna

It looks like his will actually be the more soulful dohyo-iri. His ringside demeanor suggested otherwise, but seeing him in the tsuna, I'm optimistic.

he's IN

>>231668
Takanosho...

>>231659 (OP)
I know tradition and all because Kisenosato was Unryu, but I feel Shiranui would fit Onosato better.

>>231670
You know, I was just thinking that watching his tsuna tying video again (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md0Upf-myfQ)

and it would have been cool to have the contrasting styles
oh well

>>231632
>Sponichi claims some shit again
Aren't they the ones who've been saying for months that he's on the verge of quitting and he keeps having to contradict them? Wake me up when there's some kind of independent confirmation, Takanohana was able to get away with much more egregious horseshit before having to resign.

Former Yokozuna Onokuni (Shibatayama Oyakata) assisting with teaching Onosato the dohyo-iri

Onokuni also taught Kisenosato

>>231675
forgot my pic

>>231667
I had a couple giggles when Kisenosato is trying to show him to raise arms and swing them to clap with bent elbows.
And Ono is just full on rod straight arms swung around into the clap.
He'll loosen up eventually, or he won't if it's anything like his sumo technique.

>>231674
>Hokuseiho literally killed two rikishi from his stable, gutted them, and added them to the chanko
>Hokuseiho broke both of Hakuoho's shoulders
>It was Hokuseiho who got into a fight with Asashoryu at that nightclub, causing the scandal that ended the yokozuna's career
>Hokuseiho cross-dressed to seduce Nabatame, obtaining compromising images of him and later exposing them
>Hokuseiho shot Mita in the knee during his student sumo career, forcing Mita to undergo surgery
>Hokuseiho is the official source of all the information that Chris Sumo obtains
>Hokuseiho is responsible for Hiro Morita no longer uploading videos
>Hokuseiho, in addition to stealing money from the wallets of his fellow rikishi, also stole their passports and documentation to commit multiple international crimes and cause a International crisis between Japan and other nations

And the list goes on and on. Can Hakuho really dodge this?

>>231675
>>231676
Cool! I hope Onosato bases the rest of his career on Onokuni.

I can't believe Aonishiki was the first sumo wrestler ever to post a 11-4 record

>>231681
>Hakuho: "Aonishiki is better than me"
>Chairman Hakkaku: "If Aonishiki gets another 11-4, we'll fast-track him to Ozeki"
>Onosato: "I don't know how to beat Aonishiki"
>Koga: "I taught Dan-chan everything he knows"
>President Zelensky: "I've sent Aonishiki my wife"

>>231681
>>231683
Are you aware that in July, if Onosato and Aonishiki clash (regardless of the outcome) we will have a sumo civil war?

>>231683
I wonder if they actually would fast track him to Ozeki if he posted something wild like a 12-3 13-2 in the next two basho.

>>231684
Onosato will go kyujo to avoid Aonishiki.

>>231684
I suppose if this autistic retard cant figure out nobody gives a shit about his insane anti-aonishiki conspiracy then yes he will probably have a mental meltdown or "civil war"

>>231685
No, they're not that stupid, and they're not hurting for ozeki.

>>231688
>they're not hurting for ozeki
Oh anon. Oh my sweet anon. Zak's wins per basho this year is 7. If Ozeki worked like Sekiwake the guy wouldn't even be Sanyaku right now.

>>231689
Yokozuna count as ozeki on the banzuke, anon. The rankings committee does not give a solitary shit as long as there are at least two ozeki including yokozuna on the banzuke. They're not going to fast-track anyone.

>>231689
Are you saying that the legendary and prophesied Yokozuna Kotozakura II, the chosen one of the JSA, is a fraud who survives as Ozeki only because his father and the rest of the elders give him victories in fights in which he is defeated?

SHUT IT DOWN

>>231690
It was more a question of how well someone would have to do to force an exception. 36 wins from M9 with the last two basho in Sanyaku could be worth talking about.

>>231694
Could be 40 wins and they wouldn't force an exception, because there's no need for more ozeki. If he's that good, he can manage one extra basho in the ozeki run and get promoted naturally.

>>231695
>If he's that good, he can manage one extra basho
Hoshoryu...

>>231694
Nobody has "started an ozeki run" below joi-maegashira since before WW2, when there were only two basho a year with 11 bouts each and the concept of an ozeki run didn't exist because they just promoted whoever.
Tochinoshin needed a 14-1 Y just to get his M3 basho to count. Literally nobody, not one singular person, is going to have an ozeki run start until they're already fighting sanyaku, no exceptions, it's not even worth humouring.
Just two years ago we had a banzuke where the only "ozeki" were an injured yokozuna Terunofuji and a kadoban Takakeisho. They would rather a repeat of that before considering an ozeki run starting below joi. Aoinishiki could've zensho'd this May as well as July and September and they'd still tell him to wait until November because May was below joi. There will be no exceptions.

>>231697
>Aoinishiki could've zensho'd this May as well as July and September
Since we're talking random shit anyway, what's the theoretical threshold for an ozeki candidate that's 30-0 after two bashos high enough? Still 10 wins minimum in the third one?

What's the lowest rank to ever zensho?

>>231698
given that promotions have been made with 30 or fewer wins over 3, if someone had that over two they would definitely consider it. the guy who thinks he can speak authoritatively for the jsa in >>231697 is just some spaz with an anti-dan hate boner, don't listen to him

>>231699
jonokuchi

>>231702
Shut the fuck up gaylord you know what I mean.

>>231702
Kogabros... our era starts NOW

>>231699
depends on if you consider the 11 bout per basho era legit

>>231699
In the modern (15 day) era, it was M14e Tamanoumi, in November 1957. The only other non-ozeki or non-yokozuna to ever do it was M6e Tokitsuyama in May 1953

>>231700
>given that promotions have been made with 30 or fewer wins over 3

>>231707
wrong

>>231708
Prove it

>>231707
>division debut
I wonder why they don't put a Makuuchi debuting dude into Ozeki, strange

>>231709
Kitanofuji was promoted with 28.

>>231710
>>231711
Wrong

>>231700
Nobody's made ozeki with 30 in over 50 years, and nobody's made it with under 30 in almost 60 years.

>>231713
And nobody won a yusho on their Makuuchi debut in over a century until our resident crash test dummy gloriously beat a Juryo opponent to pull it off.

>>231713
It's the Clown Era. Aonishiki will reach Yokozuna in record time and then immediately be forced to retire due to a scandal.

The road to ozeki isn't a racetrack, you scoundrels.

>>231717
>NOOOOO IT'S NOT A RACE!!!
Try telling Onosato that.

>>231716
Superiority? I'll have you know Aonishiki went 11-4

>>231720
From maegashira 9, even.

>>231721
>Beats a bunch of mid level rikishi
>Faces the sanyaku
>Loses to all of them
>Finishes the basho with another mid level shitter or two
Heh, 11-4 kiddos ;)

Aonishiki spotted training at the gym

>>231719
>the one exception
Sure, still isn't a race. If Aonishiki sufficiently prepares his body and mind to being an ozeki, he'll get there sooner or later; few will care about the minutiae of how fast he did it, only that he made it that far.

>>231723
That's actually pretty fucking wild even with his weird physique.

>>231725
The box is only six inches high.

>>231726
Midorifuji...

>>231726
Tobizaru...

>>231728
Tobi is only short compared to the actual tall cunts in the top division like Onosato and Abi.

>>231730
Way to tell on yourself, dude.

>>231733
Urgh, you somehow discovered that I'm a rikishi in the top division who's shorter than Tobizaru!

>>231715
dan busting a bottle of vodka over shishi's head after he saw shishi's shameless twerking for ryuden down at da club

>>231734
>Urgh, you somehow discovered that I'm shorter than Tobizaru!

>>231736
I called Onosato and Abi tall cunts. If I was calling myself shorter than them, that means I'm shorter than Abi's 188cm (a touch over 6'3"). If you care to know, IRL I'm 5'11".

>>231713
if something hasn't happened in 50 years that still means that in any given year it has a 2% chance of occurring.

>>231731
zero aura

>>231738
People like you in positions of power or importance are the most destructive force on the planet.

>>231737
>her height starts with a 5
It never even began...

>>231731
If he slammed that cake onto the guy lying face down on the table, that would've been kino instead of vaguely awkward

>>231675
Hopefully he finds his own dohyo-iri style. He doesn't have a very intimidating face, but I think it improves as he gets older.

>>231738
In the year 2000, it happened 25 years ago, and therefore had a 4% chance every year of occurring. Why have the chances gone down?

>>231743
Honestly, he suits the rope so well it's insane. If anything they should've given him a bigger sword. Just give him a fucking claymore or something.

>>231745
He definitely needs a bigger sword. Right now is the smallest he's ever going to be in his career as a Yokozuna, he's got plenty of frame for more mass.

>>231746
They should take Dojikiri out of the national museum so Onosato can use it during dohyo-iris

it's actually called the Yokozuna of swords

>>231743
His face doesn't look as goofy when he isn't directly facing the camera. When he does his dohyo iri like in op he'll look good since he'll be leaning forward.

>>231747
If he bum rushes to daizuna and breaks 200kg that would actually be full blown kino.

Imagine Takayasu's right arm trying to hold Doujigiri up while Onosato does his dohyo-iri lmao

>>231743
I wish they would do a sword drawn pose even though I know you arent really supposed to draw katanas

>>231681
>the dan nuthugger thought he was more op-worthy for going 11-4 vs the 14-1 ozeki who made yokozuna
lmao

>>231699
>>231706
You also have to note that neither of those guys fought the ozeki/yokozuna on the banzuke and only fought 1/2 members of the sanyaku overall. It's not like they were kyujo either, they were just never matched up with each other.

It's Hakuhover, man. Miyaginover, if I do say so myself.

>>231755
I dont believe it

>>231755
I'm in genuine awe. They've abused that man for so long after all he's done for them.

>>231756
It's fuckin' done, man.
Humiliation of having to serve Terunofuji was too much for him.

>>231757
Takanohana-esuqe, Joe.
Tho, with Hakuho it's somehow worse. He's no Japanese, but did a lot with Hakuho Cups.

>>231758
I just cant imagine Hakuho admitting defeat

>>231674
>Aren't they the ones who've been saying for months that he's on the verge of quitting and he keeps having to contradict them?
The original story was from the tabloid Shuukan Bunshun, and then Nikkan is the news paper which keeps harassing him about it. I haven't paid much attention to Sponichi, but I doubt they've published anything about it until now.

Chris has spoken
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oHKGbJhZDQ

>>231762
I should add that Nikkan hasn't confirmed Sponichi's report, which makes me think that the special meeting on June 2nd is going to be the real make-or-break moment. Given how eager Nikkan was before, their apparent skepticism here makes me think Sponichi jumped the gun.

>>231762
>>231764
"Miyagino reforming when Isegahama transfers to Terunofuji" was the most obvious outcome the moment the merger happened, so either this is a big nothingburger, Isegahama is trying to stay on as Hakuho's consultant under a different kabu, or Hakuho's an idiot.

>>231764
If Hakuho retires I will fly to Tokyo and take a shit in from of the kokugikan. The JSA doesn't want that type of mess on their hands.

>>231766
Don't do it, anon! Kokugikan hosts shitton of events unrelated to sumo. Go and shit in front of Hakkaku beya. And then Nakamura, for a good measure.

>>231766
They won't even notice, Tokyo is full of jeets these days

Hochi and Sanspo say that "Miyagino's future will be decided at the meeting", Sponichi and Shuukan Bunshun say that the papers were submitted yesterday, Nikkan isn't saying anything.

https://www.nikkan-gendai.com/articles/view/sports/372505
The Nikkan Gendai, another tabloid, quotes an anonymous oyakata as saying that he heard Hakuhou submitted his papers on the 26th, the day after the basho concluded. The NSK refused to accept them, but wouldn't let any of this become publicized so as to not throw cold water onto Onosato's promotion.
I think of Gendai as a tabloid even lower than Bunshun, but who knows with this one. June 2nd is exactly one week after the 26th, which would make sense for a meeting spurred by something on the 26th.

>>231770
>June 2nd is exactly one week after the 26th, which would make sense for a meeting spurred by something on the 26th.
Chris level thinking.

>>231771
Hakuho submitting his retirement papers on the day Onosato is talking to the press about becoming a yokozuna sounds exactly like a Hakuho move to me.

It's a Monday, ffs.

>>231773
Iseghama underling Hakuho making a kamikaze attack against the rising power of the rival ichimon's flagship in honor the retirement of his own ichimon's boss.
This might the greatest display of hinkaku the sumo world has born witness to since Yoshibayama was reported dead in combat and then came back to make yokozuna with a leg still full of shrapnel

https://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/202505300000266.html
LOL, Onosato's public Meiji Shrine dohyouiri was called off due to rain.

>>231779
This is Abi's fault by the way.

I do not like Hoshoryu.
That is all.

>>231779
The Kami are weeping happily that a great Japanese wrestler has ascended to Yokozuna, they are washing the land of the filth Mongolians have brought.

>>231678
Also Hakuho himself was responsible for this fuckup

>>231789
That was unlucky. That break wouldve scored if he hadnt tried to clear it anyway.

>>231766
fill condoms with yeast, water, and sugar. flush down every toilet in kokugikan

>>231678
>Hokuseiho killed Shinzo Abe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp6QEMDhdOs
awkward and stiff

The grand Kami weep
As Onosato succeeds
Mongol tide recedes

Yooooooooooo

I don't expect this to be the case at all, but it would be so fucking funny if Onosato got promotion hangover again and put up another 9-6 performance after all the hype and expectations put on him.

>>231799
>Onosato celebrates his promotion to yokozuna
>drinks so much he's hospitalized
>forces his entire stable, including Kisenosato, to drink 10 liters of sake out of their asses
>0-15 in July
>the entire yokozuna council commits seppuku
>Onosato is forced to retire due to his scandals and bad performance in July
>Onosato achieves another feat in sumo by becoming the fastest yokozuna to retire

>Aonishiki 11-4 again

>>231799
i'd be surprised if he does better than that in Nagoya.

>>231799
9-6 would still be better than 5-5-5

>>231799
That's another reason why Hosh beating him day 15 was a good thing since now he won't be going into his debut on an 18 fight win streak.

>>231796
The foot shuffle part seems so rushed. I like it when they do it real slow and truly challenge the evil spirits.

I'm so in tune with the beyasloppa that I can SENSE it being uploaded.

>>231806
This cracked me up immensely for some stupid reason.

Who is going to take Onosato's first star? (It's Abi, it's gonna be Abi, it's obviously gonna be Abi)

>>231800
>4-0-NI-SH1K1

>>231796
He needs to learn with the GOAT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV9sd_pJmUo

Hoshoryu preparing for his future career

>>231810
Nah, he solved Abi. It's going to be either Takeru or Oho.

>>231813
No need to worry, Mongolians will never figure out agriculture. The mechanical horse and rice paddy is no replacement for the great plains

>>231813
>irrigation is the future

>>231814
Takeru would have to step his game up considerably to get a win off Onosato. The guy bounced off like a tennis ball. Oho could potentially, but he has to be on fire that basho. Abi only has to time and angle his nodowa better. Please doubt it him though as it makes him more powerful.

>>231810
Doubt Asakoryu will be in joi, so it'll be Takayasu.

>>231810
Me

>>231789
The sumo wrestler on bike is one of the funnies things I have seen for a while. Whoever suggested it for the team thank you

>>231819
This. Takayasu has cunningly removed himself from sanyaku specifically so that he can take Onosato's first kinboshi off him.

I put forward a motion to install a moat around the dohyo.

>>231812
Asashoryu learned it then said fuck it I'm just gonna do it with swagger. Onosato seems to want to make himself as large as possible while doing it, what with his straight arm claps.

>>231823
Acid or lava?

>>231825
Piranhas.

>>231825
Wasabi

>>231825
Absolutely nothing. A pit where if a rikishi falls and can't get out on their own, they stay there. Trapped rikishi cannibalize each other or use the bodies of those who die to help them escape.

>>231825
>>231826
Piranhas are funnier because the rikishi have to scramble to get back to the dohyo to bow before they lose their legs.

>>231829
>Midorifuji is the only one immune to the piranha moat because there's no meat on him

>>231830
Takerufuji would also have an unfair advantage

>>231831
Only if he was standing up and the moat didn't come above his waist.

>>231796
zesty
corny
and zero aura

>>231831
>Oh my god, they've eaten 90% of Takerufuji's legs!
>"N-No way! M-My legs...!"

Hakuho wasn’t living at the stable when all this happened right ?

>>231835
JSA, do your own damn investigation.

>>231835
No anon you don't understand. He wasn't being completely negligent in his duties; he's being bullied by the JSA because... he just is okay???

>>231810
Onosato will never give out a star

>>231838
>"At this anon's careless utterance, the evil spirits of the dohyo surged to a strength unseen in many years."

>>231837
This is a jsa cope isegahama had a far worse bullying incident happen with rikishi pouring boiling chanko water and beating low rankers but its ok because he was living there and got a slap on the wrist. This is obviously jap penis envy and they are still seething hakuhos big Mongolian cock slapped them around 45 times and this is their pathetic revenge.

Onosato's kinboshi rate as an Ozeki was actually pretty dire. Zero this basho but 8 in the 3 basho prior. Hoshoryu's last 3 complete basho at Ozeki had 5-1-3 kinboshi. Fucking hell lads get it together.

>>231840
this but unironically

Why can’t hakuho be a good boy like Terunofuji

>>231843
Hakuho has a friendly face and charismatic voice but is full of venom and rage on the inside. Terunofuji gives the impression of a reserved and cold killer, but is actually a giant teddy bear.

>>231796
The totally straight arms are so goofy

I'll care more about such scandals when it doesn't feel targeted to call one out. Everyone knows every single stable is full of bullying and nasty shit. Enforce it on every single one and religiously stamp it out or don't bother at all. I want to see this level of draconian policy on any violations. Rather than the norm of it being hidden

>>231846
No they arent

Why would Hakuho put up with all this shit just to quit in the home stretch? It doesnt make sense to me. Even if they didnt reinstate him when Isegahama retires, hes already put in years of effort. Why waste it?

>>231849
>>231845

>>231850
Its too petty

If he was the type to walk away he wouldve done it before now

>>231851
If he was in the homestretch he should’ve worked under teru for a year it really shows his lack of humility he probably put up with it because it was isegahama but now that it’s teru his really colors are showing.

>>231847
>Everyone knows every single stable is full of bullying and nasty shit. Enforce it on every single one
JSA-enforced bullying...

>>231853
As long as Shibatayama isn't the one setting the bullying guidelines...

>>231841
Onosato gave out literally zero kinboshi as an ozeki

>>231847
The JSA doesn't give a shit. If it was up to them then all bullying would be allowed because it toughens up junior rikishi and separates the wheat from the chaff. The only reason they hand out punishments to save face with the public. That's why all the punishments are wrist slaps, so they can say "the stablemaster kept things from escalating so a severe punishment isn't needed." It doesn't matter if that's actually true or not because they only care about doing the minimum to save face. But because it got out that Hakuho was rarely even in his stable and didn't live there like he was supposed to, the excuse of "the stablemaster kept things from escalating" couldn't be used, so they had to give a more severe punishment.
tl;dr it's not about the bullying, it's about Hakuho lacking 空気を読む like a proper Japanese citizen should have

>>231856
Wrong the gaysa did everything they could to try to stop Hakuho from getting elder stock beyond black balling him. They didn’t let him keep his shikona when acquiring elder stock like every other Yokozuna, they made him sign a good boy agreement which no other oyakata ever had to sign. The isegahamas and hakkakus of the world are butt hurt that he dominated when he was zuna while they were shitters and not only did he crush everyone he wasn’t humble while doing it. This is obviously petty revenge.
Now even terunofuji is getting in on it saying if he doesn’t want to work under me he should quit. Teru was a shitter who only got 10 yushos because he was competing against absolute retards like Horshityu when he got them. He got his shit pushed in by Hakuho when he was an old man who had to have his knees drained of fluid every day just to walk.

>>231845
Hakuho feels like he is too gullible. Thats why Hokuseiho went on his gluing and ass mauling spree because he thought he was a good boy who din' do nuffin and allowed that one stooge to embezzle his money

>>231858
The JSA clearly foresaw what a shit oyakata Hakuho was going to be, and let him know he was on thin ice. It's his fault and his fault alone if after all those warnings, he still can't behave himself. Off you go, Hakuho, try not to fuck up your next career.

>>231731
tfw no yokozuna cake

>>231743
>He doesn't have a very intimidating face

>>231858
>Teru was a shitter who only got 10 yushos because he was competing against absolute retards like Horshityu when he got them. He got his shit pushed in by Hakuho when he was an old man who had to have his knees drained of fluid every day just to walk.
Genuine truth nuke. Respect the guy fucking his body and making the comeback he made but he's a trivia question not an all timer and a welfare "dai" ain't changing that fact.

>>231824
>Onosato has the mindset of a defensive bird
Owlnosato

>>231858
Hakuho wouldn't have even made sekiwake if he had to fight Takanohana and the Hawaiians in their primes, so who cares.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeOHjOiysXg
Someone needs to make a soundbyte of Chris saying "according to my sources" at 3:41

>>231865
Don't be a retard. Hakuho came up in one of the most competitive eras of sumo. Big fat fuck Hawaiians are a meme and you know it.

>>231866
The NSK just hates Hakuho, not foreigners. Kotooshu received no punishment for Oshoma whatsoever, and they also love Musashigawa and Kakuryu.

The problem they have with Hakuho is the same as with Takanohana. They're both pricks, and the elders are jealous of their success as yokozuna. Also, fuck Chris.

>>231845
this is your brain on post 2020 sumo.

>>231867
At the end of the day it doesn't matter how good Hakuho was at wrestling, once you retire you're the new boy again and don't have any right to act up.

>>231868
Meds

>>231867
There was Asashoryu and that's it, and Asashoryu had to wait until the previous yokozuna were retired or on their last legs to rise up himself. Everyone else when Hakuho came up was a glorified maegashitter. It was easily one of the worst, most un-competitive eras of sumo ever.

>grace
>beauty
>power
>technique
is there anything he DOESN'T have?

>>231874
Any hopes above the bottom of maegashira

>best fighters run away to Japan because they're so afraid of fighting
>second tier hohols die in hand to hand combat

imagine letting your countrymen literally die so you can do a niche sport on the other side of the world

If Aonishiki was there, would he have won this fight? Cowards lose before they even begin.

https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1748550700733138.webm

>>231866
I never thought of Hakuho as a quitter.

Sad.

>>231876
Aonishiki would have been eaten by his squadmates in a trench. Fat guys need more rations and are easier targets, so when you're pinned down, they're the first to go.

>>231874
>Shishi
>Beauty
?????

>>231879
men want to be him
women want to be with him

new yoko looks good
I'll watch the next basho

>>231877
>I never thought of Hakuho as a quitter.
he kyujo'd more bashos than he finished his last 5 years

>>231874
Aonishikisisters... It's over...

>>231810
Ura, leading for another glorious 7-8

>>231874
he has no grace

>>231866
>not even going to be in Japan for the meeting
What a whiner, just get the fuck out then.

He wuz a gud boi. And dindu nuffin'.

>>231888
>spends his career insisting that everyone shows him respect as their superior
>utterly unable to accept being lower ranked than others after retirement
Hakuho is a bitch ass nigga and I hope he stays in Mongolia.

>>231886
SHISHI HAS A FUNNY FACE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeOHjOiysXg&ab_channel=ChrisSumo

Wtf we got more Chris slop today and you guys didn't tell me???

>>231894
>Onosato ceremony literally rained on
A dire threat by the evil spirits.

>>231895
Rain is a blessing

>>231895
>The Gods could not help but weep tears of joy at his promotion
Two can play that game.

>>231894
Literally two and a half hours ago you illiterate clown.

What's the deal with Hakuho? Is he threatening to leave if he doesn't get his stable back at the exact time they're likely to actually give it back anyway?

>>231899
He refuses to ever serve under Terunofuji.

>>231900
Yes. But there's no indication he'd have to. They were expected to reinstate him at the same time Isegehama retires.

>>231900
Why does he hate Teru?

>>231901
>They were expected to reinstate him at the same time Isegehama retires.
Source

>>231902
He doesn't hate him; he simply believes himself the superior of the two. He's not wrong if I'm being desu with you.

>>231904
>Yeah I'd rather quit than work under you for any length of time. Nothing personal
Is this an asian thing? You'd be hard pressed to convince a westerner that wasn't very personal.

>>231904
I love Hakuho but it's an immature attitude. He's the best wrestler but that doesn't make him the best at everything. He really didn't learn anything after all this time.

>>231905
He's explicitly Teru's sumo superior. He was literally Hakuho's last professional win. Hakuho would probably care less if he'd be sent to Kise to study Oyakata'ing under some relative random.

>>231903
I just assumed since they were going to discuss reinstatement at the same meeting they're discussing the retirement. Why put it on the agenda if they're not considering reinstating him?

>>231907
Hakuho's own oyakata topped out at maegashira 13. It's pure arrogance, honestly, and I'm trying to side with Hakuho in this.

>>231909
Then it's an incredible coincidence and shame he was sent to just about the one beya that would shatter his ego.

>>231907
Sumo superior means nothing because Teru is already his superior as an oyakata by virtue of Hakuho getting himself demoted for being a dumbass. If Hakuho hadn't been an idiot then he'd be the same elder rank as Teru still and would be superior by virtue of seniority. It was his own mistake that got him demoted.

>>231911
Then all Hakuho is really doing is pointing out what we all know in that Japanese society is fucking retarded.

>>231912
>Japanese society is fucking retarded because someone who fucked up is demoted below the people who haven't fucked up
Ask me how I know you're from California.

>>231912
You're the one saying that, not Hakuho. If he said that he'd already be gone. Guests who don't show respect should be evicted anyways.

so...thats how he did it...

>>231915
Damn, the other rikishi should try that. Maybe that would help them out too.

>>231908
>I just assumed
Stop doing this and then posting it online.

>>231917
So why are they going to discuss it then? Just to instantly dismiss it?

>>231912
It is embarrassing for a grown man to serve under someone younger and less accomplished than he is. It's especially embarrassing to be put in that position after being demoted in humiliating fashion. This isn't a Japanese thing, the same applies everywhere. It'd be like your dad being told he was no longer the man of the house and that he had to defer to you.

>>231919
Plenty of old people are happy to defer to their children if they're more headstrong than them.

>>231919
>It is embarrassing for a grown man to serve under someone younger and less accomplished than he is. It's especially embarrassing to be put in that position after being demoted in humiliating fashion.
Maybe Hakuho shouldn't have done the dumb shit that got him demoted then.
Who gives a shit if it's embarrassing, he's being embarrassed by his own mistake and should learn humility and proper stable management from this. If he can't then he has no business running his own stable, arguably no business being an elder at all since he's proven he can't handle it.

>>231921
I think the JSA are being a little unreasonable in what constitutes Hakuho atoning for his misdeeds as Oyakata. Surely by this point he's paid for his crimes? How long do YOU think they can hold him in limbo for? Do you think that if they gave him back his stable tomorrow that he'd go AWOL while another new rikishi glued someone's hands together?

>>231920
I don't know where you live, but in most of the civilised world people respect their elders.
>>231921
I agree. Hakuho is a fool and should have known better. However, it's more respectable to retire than to accept humiliation.

>>231923
In the real civilised world, respect is commanded and not demanded. You don't deserve shit just for being old. Congratulations you survived this long I guess?

>>231924
In the real world, respect that you earn while you're bringing your children up isn't immediately lost when your son is old enough to go his own way.

>>231925
Does your son respect you? Do the people around you who saw you raising him respect you? Are you able to convey your experiences to others in a way that commands their respect in regards to what you've been through?

Weak little bitch.

>>231915
So this is the power of focusing on your own brand of sumo...

>>231922
We don't know what their plans were, but the correct answer to "How long can they hold him in limbo?" is "Until he's actually learned from his mistakes." If he humbly accepted his punishment and put in the work to prove he could be trusted managing his own stable again, then yeah it would be wrong to keep it from him. But if he was acting like it was a formality and didn't bother learning anything, then it would be equally wrong to let him run a stable when he hadn't shown he was willing to commit to it. Considering Hakuho is currently trying to force their hand, it feels like the latter.

>>231925
Ozeki and yokozuna are already given advanced privilege when they become elders by being immediately elevated to the 5th rank instead of starting at the 8th rank like everyone else. This is not just because of their success in bouts, but because ozeki and yokozuna are expected to contribute to guiding joint training, giving them experience in that area. Hakuho's privilege as an elevated elder was taken away because of his mistakes alone, and he should not be re-elevated until he has proven he has made up for those mistakes.

>>231929
Isegahama literally made him tour around Japan personally apologising to the families of the young rikishi involved on their doorsteps. And that's the FIRST thing he was made to do. It honestly feels like they never knew what punishment they were going to give out so no matter what he does they just demand more.

>And when you ask 'em, "How much should we give?"
>Hoo, they only answer, "More, more, more, more"

Hakuho just ain't no fortunate one.

>>231919
>>231921
It's not really about Teru being younger or less accomplished or his rival or whatever. It could be, but then he'd be just a petty as the JSA, which I'm hoping he isn't. What I find weird and what hopefully he too finds weird is that Teru has zero experience being an actual oyakata. Asahifuji did just have a scandal when Hakuho was put under him, but at least he was a longrunning stablemaster with two yokozunas under his belt. With Teru they don't have even the slightest excuse about showing him the ropes. It goes from being a thinly-veiled humiliation ritual to an open full-blown one.

>>231931
>Isegahama literally made him tour around Japan personally apologising to the families of the young rikishi involved on their doorsteps. And that's the FIRST thing he was made to do.
Yes? Admitting your fault to the parties that have been wrong is usually the first step in atoning for mistakes. This is supposed to be shocking?

>>231932
Teru by virtue of being yokozuna was granted the same privilege as every other ozeki and yokozuna by being immediately elevated to the 5th rank. Hakuho by virtue of his mistakes is still sitting at the 8th rank, therefore Teru is above him. The only way for this to not occur would be to either a) remove the ozeki and yokozuna privileges and make them all start at the bottom, which would go against what >>231925 wants, or b) for Hakuho to not fuck up. Fixating on Teru is a misinterpretation of the situation. This is solely because Hakuho fucked up, and any attention to Teru or anyone else is just making excuses for Hakuho's failures.

>>231926
Thanks for announcing to the thread that you have daddy issues. I hope you eventually get over your childhood trauma.

>>231935
Don't really care what obviously weak little bitches think lmao

>>231936
You don't need to tell us again. A reminder - insisting that people don't deserve respect and aggressively calling people names doesn't make you look tough. Your dad should have taught you that.

>>231934
>Teru is above him
Doesn't change the fact he has nothing to teach him. Any oyakata with 5 years in the game would be a better choice if their aim was to actually teach him how to run a heya.

>>231938
We don't know that they had planned on having Hakuho serve under Teru because the meeting for that hadn't happened yet. Maybe that was Hakuho's assumption, maybe it's tabloid speculation.

>>231938
The aim is to teach Hakuho that he isn't the most important man in the JSA. That's always been the case, and that's why they warned him before the scandal even happened. Even while he was active, he acted as if he was more important than the JSA. He needs to learn to be submissive and humble, and if he can't do that (the same thing he demands of everyone he thinks is below him) then he has no place in a hierarchical organisation like the JSA. Yes, Terunofuji is younger and has less experience, but he's still a higher rank and therefore worthy of Hakuho's respect and obedience.

I just found out about Hakuho making Teru kneel for 2 hours seiza style, basically fucking his knees up completely back when the issues first arose.

Anyway, karma's a bitch!

I just found out about Abi making Onosato be choked for 2 hours seiza style, basically fucking his throat up completely back when the issues first arose.

Anyway, karma's a bitch!

The way I see it, these are the possibilities in order of most to least favourable to Hakuho:
1) All of this is tabloid bullshit and he's getting his stable back when the Isegahama handover happens.
2) The JSA was planning on giving his stable back when the Isegahama handover happens, but Hakuho got impatient before they were ready.
3) The JSA doesn't think he's ready yet, and Asahifuji was going to get the Kiriyama stock for a consultant role to keep mentoring him while Teru takes the Isegahama stable. Asahifuji becoming a consultant is also possible for the other options, but is specifically mentioned here because Hakuho would technically be serving Terunofuji on paper even if in practice he's supposed to continue learning from Asahifuji.
4) The JSA doesn't think he's ready yet and expects him to simply work under Teru as his assistant because they think he still needs humility instead of acting like he's better than everyone else.
5) They were never going to give his stable back and were just dicking him around.

>>231940
...so the aim is to humiliate him?

>>231944
The arrogant deserve to be humiliated so they learn to support the greater whole. This has been part of Japanese society since they imported China's writing. Hakuho agreed to revoke his status as a Mongolian and become a Japanese citizen, therefore he should be expected to follow Japanese culture.

>>231945
So you agree that JSA wanted to humiliate him and the entire exchange of the last 20 posts was pointless

>>231944
Yes. Hakuho must learn humility or leave. As soon as he retired, he stopped being the great and powerful yokozuna and became a novice. He failed to behave in a manner befitting his station, and if he can't or won't learn his lesson then he has to go.

>>231905
>Yeah I'd rather quit than work under you for any length of time. Nothing personal
>Is this an asian thing?
No. This is a normal response for anyone that is clearly better and has any sort of pride in themselves. Do you think Jordan would play second fiddle to Kevin Durant. Do you think Brady would take second chair to Joe Flacco? Hakuho was never going to work out with JSA. The JSA hates Hakuho because he humiliated them by not completely respecting old men who never understood or performed sumo on his level and the japanese sumo wrestlers by being completely better than them in every way. They were going to take any slip up and destroy him and Hakuho is way too stupid to walk on egg shells for any amount of time to prevent it.

The JSA preserves the soul of sumo, but not the sport. That is why we are in a completely weak era where they rushed a yokozuna who didn't deserve it, and were lucky to get one that earned the title. The reason mongolians dominated the sport is because the JSA has no idea how to make decent sumo wrestlers.

>>231947
He's tried to be humble, but every time he does they just tell him he isn't being humble enough. What outs does he have at this point?

>>231948
>Do you think Jordan would play second fiddle to Kevin Durant.
If Jordan fucked up horrifically as a coach, then yes it would be expected that he work as an assistant coach until he's proven he's ready to be handed the reigns again.
Stop confusing their performance in the sport with their performance after being retired from the sport. It's an incorrect mentality to have.

>>231949
If someone keeps telling you you're not being humble enough, maybe you aren't being humble enough?

>>231951
Dude calm down.
>But I'm calm
You're obviously not.

>>231952
Do you genuinely think that Hakuho is even capable of being humble?

>>231953
Calm down dude.

Its a rollercoaster of emotions in here

>>231949
>He's tried to be humble
Prove it
> every time he does they just tell him he isn't being humble enough
Prove it

>>231950
>Stop confusing their performance in the sport with their performance after being retired from the sport. It's an incorrect mentality to have.
It isn't though. The two cannot be separated. I even agree that Hakuho doesn't have the time or results to even say if he is a good stablemaster, or that he couldn't learn something from someone. But the idea of learning from someone who has even less time than you and wasn't even a fraction of the wrestler that you are is an insult.

I never thought Hakuho as a stablemaster would work out. Neither JSA or Hakuho were going to make it work.

>>231957
>It isn't though. The two cannot be separated.
I'm a hockey fan so all I need to do is look at my sport's GOAT to know you're hilariously wrong.

>>231957
Being a trainer is completely different from being a fighter, and requires a completely different skillset. Someone who is far inferior a fighter might nonetheless be a much better trainer than you. On top of all of this, part of the problem is that Hakuho isn't and never has been a team player. As such, it's just as important that he learns how to work well with other people, which again is a totally different skillset. A man who has done carpentry for fifty years can and should learn from a man who's done metalwork for five.

>>231951
Screw you, kid, what do you know about being humble?
I am the humblest of all time!!! I am the HOAT!!!
t. Hakuho

>>231960
>Someone who is far inferior a fighter might nonetheless be a much better trainer than you
Yeah, Tatsunami-Oyakata has raised an excellent Yokozun- uhhh... :/

>>231957
>Hakuho doesn't have the time or results to even say if he is a good stablemaster
It is crystal clear that he is a bad one

>>231963
He WAS a bad one. Since then all he's done is be a fine stablemaster's shadow while fending off accusations of being a bad stablemaster.
>See? I've been good for the last year, everyone loves me, no complaints anywher-
>UUUHHHHH DON'T YOU REMEMBER THAT TIME A TREE GLUED SOMEONE'S HANDS TOGETHER???
>That's ancient history, I've done my best since then-
>RRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
This is basically how Hakuho's interactions with the JSA go.

>>231964
If he can't even handle following basic hierarchy without his fabergé ego falling apart, then how can they know he'd be a good stablemaster?

Is /sumo/ just Chrisposting at this point?

>>231965
He's been following it since the merge. They just won't give him credit, and every time he asks for credit they say he doesn't deserve it because he asked for it.
>You can check out any time you like
>But you can never leave

>>231967
We can’t know how he’s actually doing behind the scenes. Maybe he’s being a passive aggressive jerk?

>>231967
Organizational hierarchy doesn't get suspended just because you weren't a shitpump for a few months.

>>231970
>Punish someone for being a shitpump
>He stops being a shitpump
>"Hey guys I've stopped being a shitpump, see?"
>"HMMM NAH, YOU NEED TO STOP BEING A SHITPUMP FIRST"
They're just moving the goalposts constantly, which is a textbook sign of just not liking someone.

>>231959
>>231960
I am not saying be the best sumo wrestler will mean he will be a better coach, I am saying it can't be separated. No one suggested Gretsky be an assistant coach under Sullivan after he failed, and he probably could have learned something about coaching from him. But no one is going to tell the great one to learn something under someone who wasn't close to the hockey player he was. No one would suggest Coach Prime be an assistant coach under anyone.

Again, they are separate skills but you can't separate the accomplishments in the sport from them coaching in the sport. Especially in sumo where all the stablemaster are former wrestlers, and none were even close to Hakuho's level in skill, in sumo wrestling if that wasn't obvious.

>>231971
If he shits his pants at having to follow basic hierarchical etiquette then he has not stopped being a shitpump.

>>231973
He stopped being a shitpump. The JSA just won't admit it. That's the problem.

>>231974
>"How dare you force me, at the bottom of the elder ranks, to listen to someone in the middle of the elder ranks!"
Nope, still a shitpump.

>>231974
>He stopped being a shitpump.
Cite your sources.

>>231976
He made me a cup of coffee and even had the courtesy to fuck my wife.

>ruins your sumo career
Heh nothin' personnel

>>231978
nothin personnel...rikishi...

>>231978
he fucked over the entire stable lol All the people he terrorized got punished

https://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/202505300001545.html
https://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/202505300002092.html

Nikkan has put out a couple articles reiterating that Hakuhou intends to retire. Most oyakata/kouenkai sources interviewed say he is firm in his resolve to retire, one says that he was told "I've given up on giving up" by Hakuhou as recently as Day 14 of Natsu.

The sources disagree on how long he's felt this way, but it seems to primarily relate to the one-year mark of the dissolution of Miyaginobeya. That was the limit of his patience. One claims that Hakuhou explained his intentions as "even if I got it back tomorrow, I would be starting from nothing".

This time, they're saying his papers were turned in on the 30th, not the 26th or 29th. Nikkan interviewed at least one riji who thought that one year has been enough, but another said "there's no time limit on this". Newest article closes by saying they (Nikkan) want answers from Hakkaku and the rest of the top brass.

This Hakuho retirement shit is so "two more weeks!" that I just don't care.

>>231983
The meeting to decide his fate is literally tomorrow.

>>231984
nothing ever happens though
have you considered that?

Hakuho is threatening to retire in the hopes the NSK will restore his previous elder rank, re-open his stable, or otherwise make up for his previous punishment to incentivise him to stay. These are the kind of mindgames that make a Dai Yokozuna!

Hakuho is threatening to retire in the hopes he can fuck Eimi-chan!

>>231882
>he kyujo'd more bashos than he finished his last 5 years
He also holds the historical record for most consecutive basho completed without kyujo at the rank of yokozuna.

>>231982
>The sources disagree on how long he's felt this way, but it seems to primarily relate to the one-year mark of the dissolution of Miyaginobeya. That was the limit of his patience. One claims that Hakuhou explained his intentions as "even if I got it back tomorrow, I would be starting from nothing".
If this is true then he should've just retired immediately because he has learned absolutely nothing.

>>231918
>So why are they going to discuss it then? Just to instantly dismiss it?
They refused to discuss it at the actual board meeting, and then emergency scheduled this one when they got wind of what was happening.

Reminder no one knows what goes on in the heads of the JSA or Hakuho so everything here is speculation based on potentially poorly translated "news" articles or from chris.

>>231966
It's somehow surpassed Chris posting.

>>231992
Nikkan, Sponichi and Sanspo are actual news sources. Nothing except "Hakuhou wants to retire" has come from the tabloids.

>>231993
>Here's what Hakuho will be thinking two weeks from now-

There is no way on earth anyone could possibly think its a good idea for the oversight of sumo which the JSA is responsible for should be put even partially in the hands of someone of Hakuho's demeanor.

>>231978
Pic related continues to get sadder.
>>231994
The obvious jokesters and actual news sources aside, are you blind to the quantity of posts claiming full understanding or evidence of what the JSA or Hakuho have done, said to each other, or thought privately to themselves.
>>231997
Continued bait.
Anyone got a good idea for a sumo "this is bait" image?

>>231997
hakuho is so mental than he even makes the organization that promoted horseshitryu to yokozuna look comparatively competent

WILL ONOSATO USE HIS BLUE MAWASHI NEXT BASHO OR THAT SWEET EMERALD GREEN ONE HE USED PRE-BASHO

>BLUE
>GREEN

VOTE

>>232001
it seems an evil spirit has found it's way into /sumo/
could this be an ill omen? or the final crack of thunder from a passing storm?

Based Janniezuna foot stomping the evil spirits away.

>>232000
Blue is his watermark.

>>232006
The amount of sekitori here is nuts.

>>232000
Blue has never failed him

>>231858
>They didn’t let him keep his shikona when acquiring elder stock like every other Yokozuna
That's not how it went down. Hakuho got his 5 year yokozuna grace period like everyone else. What they didn't do is let him become an elder under his shikona permanently and start a stable under his own name. That's a privilege they only offered to dai-yokozuna in the past, such as Chiyonofuji (who refused and inherited the Kokonoe stable he competed in) and Takanohana (who used it and ran Takanohana beya until his ousting). While they didn't offer it for Hakuho, they also said they weren't offering it to anybody ever again.

If Onosato wins 50 yusho and they let him do it, THEN you can cry Mongol racism.

>>232007
Nishonoseki is the largest ichimon

What if they did an ichimon versus ichimon royal rumble

>>232007
>The amount of sekitori here is nuts.
Why, I daresay it's a veritable tochi taikai

>>232011
Top wrestlers from each ichomon
Dewanoumi - Hoshoryu
Isegahama - Aonishiki
Nishonoseki - Onosato
Takasago - Chiyoshoma or Asakoryu (both likely to be about M12 on the next banzuke)
Tokitsukaze - Kirishima, Wakatakakage or Daiseisho

The other two sanyaku, Zak & Oshoma, are both in Nishonoseki, so it seems like they'd have the edge, but I wouldn't write off any of the other ichomons except Takasago, the rest all would have a decent shot at coming out on top depending on how the ichimon brawl was organized, Iseghama seems a bit weak, but they hold the Kusano wildcard.

>>231880
Which vid is this from?

>>232017
PRIME TIME
https://youtu.be/CnD1pRrVk1U?t=475

>>232019
Damn I must have missed these ones. She's very pretty. Damn.

NEW PRIME TIME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhIl8aNH9_c

>>232006
>I think you wandered onto the wrong dohyo. Takayasu...get the sake.

>>231821
>>231789
>bike sumo
thanks for pointing that out. legitimately laughed

>>232016
Man that would be so awesome

>>232021
If you watch all those matches the only ones other than the Hosh match that was even kind of a content was Wakatakakoga and Daieisho, no one else could do a thing with him. Nobody even bothered trying to henka or any other desperate weird trickery.
This whole last basho was freakishly non-clownish. Is there a horseshoe thing where something become too non-clown which makes it such a predictable formulaic parody of itself that it become clown?

>>232006
Insane AURA. Hoshitryu would never.

the somewhat recently released nhk documentary on kitanoumi is good interbasho entertainment, much better than the slop
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/shows/5001459/

>>232030
Lots of good footage of Kitanoumi cycling in that one

Newphew should have never been promoted.

>>231796
Will he start shaving his armpits now?

>>232030
Kitanoumi becoming sumo villain by shitting on fan favourites is quite based

Takanohana looks like this now.

>>232037
Why would he? He's not a western woman indoctrinated into it by the razor blade compainies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHxsr5QDA1A

Real color footage from 1953 and 1957. The bearded gyouji is here; also worth seeing for the abominable standards of grappling at the time. The Chiyonoyama match makes 60s NFL footage look good. Also, an impressive yumitorishiki at the end.

>>232041
Asashoryu?!

>>232016
>Isegahama - Aonishiki
pfffahahaha you're not even wrong lmaoooo

>>232042
A lot of Japs are terrible at growing body hair, it isn't unusual for men in their 20s to have no leg hair at all. If someone's got particularly weak or patchy armpit or chest hair, they'll often remove it entirely for a tidier look.

>>232016
>Isegahama - Aonishiki

>SAY!
>MY!
>NAME!

>>232016
>strongest wrestler in your region if fucking Chiyoshoma
Now that's just embarrassing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7iy1sv_r8E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci3KI1tK8Do
Eat your slop while its hot boys!

>>232052
There's a total slop overload these days. I must be spending at least two or three hours every week watching the latest videos.

>Futagoyama stable's latest video
>Nobehara: "Koga is going to win the Jonidan basho"
>Koga: *thinks about it for a few seconds* "Yes, it's very likely"
>Staff: SUGOI...
>Koga finished May 1-5-1
KINO

>>232054
>15-1
Damn, Koga's a beast.

>>232055
Better than Aonishikis 11-4

>>232056
That only defeat Koga has? It was against Aonishiki (forma Isla de Serpientes)

>Roga is on a hot streak, 9-0 and going to face Sanyaku
>The guys who decide bouts are hard at work next day
>The guy doing the writing/typing brainfarts and accidentally writes Koga instead of Roga
>Koga ends Wakatakakage's Ozeki run the next day
>"I-I...I've never fought anything like that...dios mio...it was like being slapped by a bear..." - Wakatakakage

Onosato dohyo iri
Ryuden replaced by Takanosho as dewsweeper

>>232059
forgot the link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3YyEaCJPGI

>>232059
I wonder if Ryuden was only ever a temp for pottery's sake (he swept Jews for Kisenosato), or if they're trying to avoid any internet drama over him.

>>232058
>Koga climbs the dohyo like a rat
>Wakatakakage is shocked
>"Nani?!"
>Koga: "Oh, evil spirits, give me the strength to defeat my opponent... give me the dark power to destroy his dreams and desecrate the destiny that the gods of sumo have woven... DO IT AND MY SOUL IS YOURS!!"
>Koga awakens his hidden potential: Darkoga (forma Boca Oscura)
>"ESTO ES EL FIN GRANDE OZEKI"
>both Yokozuna kyujo the next day

I think the Hakuho thing seems similar to Takanohana's. It is not really an anti-foreign thing.

>>232063
Just Japanese culture in a nutshell right? Toe the line or get put into a situation where you "voluntarily" resign.

>>232064
There are precious few companies and organisations where you can get away with refusing to do as you're told. It's not a Japanese-only thing.

>>231866
https://vocaroo.com/1jSqewhOXheN

>>232065
I would argue there is few if any sports companies where the greatest to ever do the sport was despised so much by the people who run the sport. You would never see a Ronaldo or Messi treated by FIFA the way JSA treats Hakuho.

The JSA are just jealous that Hakuho has more cups than the rest of the organisation combined.

>>232070
Perhaps, but that doesnt mean he should treat them like it

>>232069
But there also aren't any other sports where the administration is 100% former athletes, all of whom reached at least a minimal top division level

>>232071
Could it be that the salarymen at the JSA are petrified of Hakuho taking their job?

>>232069
If Ronaldo or Messi wanted FIFA to make him an executive and let him do whatever they wanted, FIFA would tell them to kick rocks.

>>232069
You also wouldn't see FIFA deciding that Ronaldo or Messi, by virtue of their ball-kicking skills, were suitable to coach and manage a prominent football team. In any other sport, Hakuho would still be ten years away from even having a chance to manage anyone.

Maybe we should start blaming Isegahama-Oyakata. After all, he's the one who's supposed to be teaching Hakuho to run a stable, no? So if Hakuho is still unfit after all this time, perhaps it's Isegahama who's not been doing HIS job properly.

>>232076
I agree. I'll talk to my friends in the JSA, and he'll be forced to step down within a fortnight.

>>232076
How many oyakatas will have to fall because Hokuseiho filled Enho's wallet with glue?

>>232078
Billions must dogeza.

>>232063
>>232064
exactly. japanese companies, including NSK, cannot fire people, so they come up with a clever plan which puts you in a strange situations and odd tasks and eventually you will leave by yourself.

>>232083
I dont like that they do this
It makes everything feel out of context

I can't take it anymore. I'm at my limit.

Okaryu cracks me up.

Reminder, just because you are the "GOAT" (heavily disputed) doesn't mean that you don't have to start at the bottom (middle for Y or O) like everyone else.
Also if you constantly make enemies as a wrestler and once an oyakata continue to act like hot shit and rock the JSA boat, it is no wonder you are getting the boot.

>>232081
This is called (or used to be called) getting a window seat.
They put you in an office with a nice view, so at least you can look out the window while you do nothing.
Everyone in the company knows you’re drawing a paycheck for doing nothing and the shame of it makes you quit.
Obviously this would never work in the West.

>>232090
Well he never did beat Taiho's win streak
Or Raiden's win percentage

>>232090
Easy to be the GOAT in a weak era. He never had to deal with competition on the level of the Hanas or the Hawaiians.

Also I see that there is a common demonitor in all the actual "dai" Yokozuna (Taiho, Takanohana, Hakuho). They get too high on their career as wrestlers and make too many enemies.

>>232094
Taiho had enemies? I thought it was the stroke he had at a young age that hurt his candidacy for chairman.

>>232095
Ah, but who do you think stroked him?

>>232094
>Chiyonofuji
>Kitanoumi
>Taiho
>Futabayama
Not really? It's just Takanohana and Hakuho.

>>232095
He probably ran afoul of a rival Yakuza gang.

>>232016
>there's a whole ichimon for jobbers

>>232060
Looks good, looks good.

>>232100
nah its, not like that, they're just having a string of bad luck. first chiyomaru didn't work out as well as chiyonofuji did and then asakoryu ended up not quite as good as asashoryu

>>232106
Let's hope Hakubo breaks the streak in 2026.

>>232107
Hakusobros... not like this...

Can someone post tochinoshin’s Kubi-hineri the one where he broke his rip

tochinoshin’s Kubi-hineri the one where he broke his rip

>Former Hakuho master Miyagino, who submitted his resignation notice, updates social networking site from Mongolia Followers keep asking him not to quit.

The boss is saying "fuck this shit, I'm out....".

https://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2025/05/31/kiji/20250531s00005000293000c.html

One year after he and his other disciples became members of the Isekehama stable in April of last year, Miyagino is believed to have decided to resign due to the lack of prospects for the stable's reestablishment. According to sources, the association has not received his resignation letter and has placed it on hold, and plans to hold an extraordinary meeting of the board of directors on June 2 to discuss the future of the now-closed stable.

The stablemaster was interviewed at Narita Airport before leaving for Mongolia on June 30, and when asked by the press whether he had submitted his resignation notice, he replied, "I have nothing to say.

When asked by the press whether he had submitted his resignation letter, he replied, "I have nothing to say! There are so many people who support you! I love you, please don't quit.

You know what I miss in live sporting events? Camera flashes.

>>232112
>They're going to give Isegahama to Terunofuji
>At the same time, they're going to give Miyagino to Harumafuji
HOLY JSA KINO

Kotoeko's final match
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm7JC49GaWk

>>232115
wtf is up with hakuho's manlet fetish? is hakuho gay or something?

Hosh quits sumo to go into the more lucrative rice business

>>232116
It's his 5000IQ plan. Sumo is a sport for big men, so if Hakuho can turn turbomanlets into top sumo wrestlers, everyone will have to acknowledge him as the greatest coach of all time.

>>232026
>Is there a horseshoe thing where something become too non-clown which makes it such a predictable formulaic parody of itself that it become clown?
In the late Hakuho era people including in the forerunners of this thread (when all sumo was still back on /asp/ and there were no separate /sp/ basho threads) would complain that sumo was so boring because Hakuho would just come on stage and wreck everybody and there was no real uncertainty unless he was kyujo and that sucked too because it wasn't a real contest if blah blah.

>>232119
>the yusho race is the only thing worth paying attention to
Good to know that /sumo/ has always been retarded.

>>232098
>finger on trigger
the mamachari of gun handling. obviously a no gunzuna

>>232117
>anime t-shirt
gay asf

>>232127
How do you survive on 4chan if you don't like anime? It's everywhere and unavoidable.

>>231982
what's the point of turning in papers then,should have gotten on TV and call out the shitters for being useless old fucks, then call out the board to 1v1 him

>>232130
Clearly, anyone engaging in such unfiltered Mongolian barbarism is totally unfit to be involved in training men to be sumo wrestlers.

>had a dream what I was sitting in on a JSA meeting
>some old fart two seats away from me starts breathing really heavily
>ask if he's okay
>an elder says he's fine, he's just needs to cool down
>sprays him with a garden hose until he's lying face down in a pool of water on the floor
"look, he's fine"
>kneel down and lift him off the ground
>his heart is going a mile a minute and he's trying to say something through gritted teeth
>"ugh, FINE, we'll call the paramedics"
>dies
>wake up and immediately see the news that Hakuho bailed on the JSA
A day late, but I'm still going to claim it was a prophetic dream

>>232132
Maybe if we're lucky, it'll be Shibatayama. praise the prophets

>>232127
anime website

>>231997
sumo is dying out anyways, might as well jump the shark at this point

>>232127
Hold it!
Where do you think you are.

>>232137
You can call us faggots, but you can't call us wrong.

This thread is pretty fast today. Is this the power of Onosato being Yokozuna?

>>232140
i'm just focusing on my style of posting

>>232139
Damn that pic goes hard

Bros, is Teru 2.0 happening again or is he no longer sanyaku material?

>>232139
those are som Propahh bikes

https://www.youtube.com/@TAKASAGOSUMOTEAM高砂部屋
ANOTHER HEYA YOUTUBE CHANNEL HAS BEEN MADE

>>232143
remember kids, say no to whores.

>>232153
I refuse.

>>232143
I think he's good enough, but his body will give out again before he makes it back. Maybe he'll touch makunouchi before it happens.

>>232143
Not a chance, though it would be undisputed kino.

>>232143
He was well on his way to a good comeback the first time around, but his body failed him completely
I feel like it'll only be a repeat now, he'll claw back to makuuchi and promptly reinjure himself, which is a shame
>tfw the japanese thought Asa would be the next japanese yokozuna

>>232139
Kino. That Yadea bike looks so good.

>>232159
hoes got him acting unwise

After Hakkaku ages out of the JSA in a few years, the only remaining yokozunas still active as elders will be Musashimaru, Kakuryu & Kisenosato, the former two both foreign born and the later two far too young to be boss.
So who will take over?
The current vice chairman will age out before Hakkaku does and the current crop of riji are all a bunch of shitters who never even reached ozeki, some of them never even made sanyaku.

>>232139
Ebikes are pretty much motorized vehicles and shouldn't be permitted for rishiki.
Be a man and use a real bike.
Why can't you? Legs too weak?

>>232164
It's going to be Futagoyama

>>232164
It's going to be Hakuho. Surprise, motherfucker.

>>232167
>With my years of expertise in beyasloppa production I will bring sumo to the masses and make it the most popular it ever has been

>>232167
Miyabiyama seems to be the darling child of the JSA despite getting busted for gambling.

>>232139
Okaryu looks like Kim Jung Un

>>232164
Either Fujishima (ex-ozeki Musoyama) or Asakayama (ex-Ozeki Kaio).
Fujishima has held important positions such as being deputy director of the shimpan department for 7 years; he's never been a riji though, so that might work against him. Asakayama is the only current riji that is a former ozeki/yokozuna that won't leave alongside Hakkaku by the time the latter retires, but he doesn't have nearly the same level of experience as Fujishima in those director roles.
I've heard a tabloid claim it's going to be Asakayama but I not only forgot what article, but can't even confirm if it's a very legitimate claim.

>You don't have experience in a director role so you can't be director
>But how am I supposed to gain experience if I'm never director in the first place?
>SHUT UP!!!

>>232173
I'm not sure what the difference between a fuku-riji (vice-director) and a riji (director) is in terms of competitiveness for becoming the rijicho, my bad. I just know that Fujishima hasn't ever been a riji but has had more senior positions than Asakayama, who became a riji a year ago.

>>232174
I'd say it likely doesn't matter all that much but we know how autistic Japanese are when it comes to anything salaryman related.

>>232152
asakoryu, asanoyama, ishizaki, osanai, fukai and kuniooooo ..i hope they provide some good content.

>>232166
More to do with the clothes.

He's back

>>232179
See that beard? He stole a junior's pubes and glued them to his chin.

>>232179
>it's real

>>232179
>still has chonmage
Looks like he's still banking on having a haircutting ceremony of his own even after a year.

>>232183
He's waiting to join the Hakuho League as a star attraction heel.

>>232062
Fucking demonic

>>232179
If Hokuseiho wanted to pursue that lifestyle, he should have done so quietly

>>232186
What?

>>232179
Onosato should invite him for some drink. They will get along so well.

>>232188
>Sake bottle gets glued in the ass of some poor jonidan wrestler

>>232190
Me when I'm reading some of the shit that gets posted on /xs/

Hakuho regarding Hakkaku once he comes back from Mongolia

>>232127
That's not an anime, it's a live-action TV show and the woman in the picture with Hoshoryu is the one on the shirt.

>>232132
>some old fart two seats away from me starts breathing really heavily
>ask if he's okay
>an elder says he's fine, he's just needs to cool down
>sprays him with a garden hose until he's lying face down in a pool of water on the floor
LMAO, extremely accurate dream
>just ganbarize the heart attack!
>heal on the dohyo!

>>232176
With a bit of luck they won't be autistic about showing their sekitori training. Like, you won't see anything you won't be seeing in all-stables.

>>232179
>That look of horror on the rikishi's face as he reaches inside his jacket for a bottle of glue

>>232204
kino

>>232204
>Turns out it wasn't that rikishi's hair cutting ceremony today at all
Then shoop some scissors in his hand.

>>232179
Who invited that asshole? Should've told him to make like a tree and leave.

>>232208
It's Hokuseiho. He would make like a tree and stand there.

>>232209
>*gently leans my entire weight on you*

Apparently Hokuseiho and Terunofuji were chatting jovially at the ceremony. What do you think they were talking about?

>Hey Teru, have you made that piece of shit quit the JSA yet?
>Give it a week lmao
>Looooool

>>232211
Hokuseiho was Terunofuji plant to remove Hakuho from NSK. It was all planned out over ten years ago

>>232212
>I have a favour to ask of you, dear Jonukuchi friend. Can you hold your hands together for two days while claiming I've glued them together? What? Actually glue them together? I could never do that! Please... it pains my heart to even ask this of you...

I can't believe it. All this time he was a gentle soul who sacrificed himself to remove H*kuho from the JSA.

>>232190
-..-

>>232214
>Friend. They expect one of us in the wreckage...

>>232219
Teru is gonna be JSA Chairman one day, isn't he.

>>232179
Why is he still even in Japan? He isn't a citizen, he isn't on a student visa or a work visa because he isn't in school and isn't working.

>>232221
He's lived in Japan since he was 5.

>>232222
>They say he moved to Japan as a child to learn the location of every glue store in Japan
>Wooaaahhhhh...

https://www.youtube.com/@伊勢ノ海部屋
Another heya Youtube channel has been established.

>>232223
>EEEEHHH?? SUGOI-NEE

>>232224
Just hook the sloppa up to my veins at this point holy shit.

>>232224
>We've been deprived of the Miyagino stable and its inevitable YouTube sloppa...
>We'll never see Hokuseiho practicing sumo, standing for 5 hours in the middle of the dohyo while Hakuoho faints from exhaustion trying to move him
>We'll never see Hakuho appearing once every 10 videos (the first time he appears, he'll be surprised there's a camera recording)
>We'll never see Hokuseiho pouring glue on food like it's onions sauce...
There are so many things they've taken from us...

>>232228
>We'll never see Hakuho finding out for the first time that there's a Miyagino Youtube channel, four months after it was made

>>232229
>"Who the hell is this Yutuba or Yotuba or whatever that rikishi's name is, and why are you letting him into our stable to film?!"
>Hakuho is asking the staff operating the camera, since Hakuho spends so little time at the stable that he thinks the staff is another rikishi

>>232230
>The video ends abruptly with Hakuho assaulting the camera
K I N O

>>232143
>Teru 2.0 happening again
Nope, too old now, too injured, and not good enough. He'll probably be another one of the dudes that sneak into sanyaku from time to time, but he'll never make ozeki again.

>>232238
He'll be lucky to sneak into the juryo joi. If he was already in the san'yaku, he could hold on in makuuchi for another few years, but there's no way he's getting back now.

>>232143
He'll retire the moment he's secured elder stock, he's too injured for any serious pushes anymore.

>>232239
>He'll be lucky to sneak into the juryo joi
Bro what? He's been plowing hostess bussy all the way up. 6-1 in Makushita is top tier. Even Onosato went 4-3 in Makushita. His one loss coming to a textbook Makushita grinder doesn't help, but everyone loses sometime.

>>232242
He's done. Give up on him and find a new boy.

>>232243
He'll make it to Makuuchi and at best become that Kirishima tier of "oh well, he was good before but it's gone now". Just like Takerufuji.

>>232244
That's what happened last time. Now he's even older and more busted.

>>232245
But now he's a Yokozuna level hostess pussy slayer.

>>232220
>gaijin
>JSA Chairman

Choose ONE.

Project dohyo is under way, told you fags I was gonna do it

>>232253
But who are you gonna wrestle

>>232253
>under way
Anon, you've just put a string down. Come back when you've properly committed to it and leveled out the turf.

>>232254
There's an all you can eat buffet near by, I will be able to locate many adversaries for sure when I make the prize a $30 gift card for there

>>232253
It's not a dohyo unless you're importing clay from the banks of the Arakawa River. Remember those tariffs.

Why haven't any former Yokozuna told Onosato to bend his arms while doing his big dohyo-iri claps? Are they afraid he'll tachiai them?

>>232253
Don't forget the moat.

>>232263
Its clearly his own twist
I like it, personally
Hakuho did the best bent arm version anyway

https://strawpoll.com/LVyK23GW6Z0

IT'S TIME TO VOTE

>>232267
hey the answer I want isn't on here

>>232267
Is god help us more than 30+?

>>232269
It's however many you feel he'd need to win before you cry out to the heavens to help in stopping the inhuman monster that is Nakamura Daiki.

>>232269
That's for if he starts inexplicably jobbing to Hoshoryu and never wins another yusho.

>>232267
He has what it takes to reach 30, but I'm sure he will be consumed by scandals and intai earlier.

>>232272
Kisenosato will wrap barbed wire around his hand and fist fuck Onosato's prostate before he lets him do anything remotely close to a scandal. Don't forget, Kisenosato probably fought for the rope the hardest out of any rikishi in the modern era. He isn't going to let a prodigy of Onosato's calibre throw it away.

>>232211
>Hakuho is saved when Hokuseiho can't resist gluing him into his chair

>>232258
time for a worlds first cement dohkyo

I wonder if any rikishi could crack concrete with their shiko. Probably Akebono with a few tries.

>>232253
Cool, Anon. Are you doing it in Kokugikan dimensions or old/heya dimensions?

>>232276
Akebono had chicken legs, he was just a big enough chicken that it didn't handicap him. Trying to break concrete would snap his ankles. Maybe someone like Baruto?

>>232279
Ankle size doesn't matter lmao. Are you one of those R*ddit posters who thinks Takerufuji will succumb to ankle injuries one day? Fuck off looool

>>232280
Ankle robustness is extremely relevant when you're trying to break concrete with a stamp. Your entire body weight will be going through one ankle at maximum speed and force.

>>232281
As long as your leg is straight and the force is going through your heel on impact your ankle doesn't fucking matter.

>>232282
>the force is going through your heel
What's the heel attached to, Anon? Take a moment and really think about what you're saying.

>>232283
Your ankle. Which is attached to your lower leg, and knee, and thigh, and hip, and... ABDOMEN??? IS ABDOMEN THE WEAK POINT???

Shut up you massive gaylord.

>>232284
When you punch something, you transmit force from your upper body through the joints in your arm. This is a basic principle that anyone remotely familiar with striking understands. If you have an injured wrist, you can't punch properly, even if your elbow and shoulder joints and all the muscles are perfectly fine. If your wrist is weak from lack of training or prior injury, you won't be able to punch properly, because the joint is crucial for transmission of force. Exactly the same principle applies to stamping on concrete. You have revealed yourself to be ignorant about the basics of striking and how the human body works, and your bluster and insults only highlight that.

>>232196
Who's the woman on the woman's shirt?

>>232286
That's Hoshoryu, of course

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3YyEaCJPGI
I fucking hate this. Look at it's left hand. Why is it fucking sideways? When Musashimaru taught Hoshoryu he said to imagine you were lifting a heavy ball. Sloppy as all fuck.

>>232286
"Girl with Hair Ribbon" by Roy Lichtenstein
https://www.lichtensteincatalogue.org/catalogue/entry.php?id=579

And the Hosh one is Sachiko Kobayashi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhPK9L9_VSA

>>232288
Shut up retard

>>232290
Why? It fucking sucks.

>>232291
You're being stupid.

>>232292
You're being vague.

>>232288
My theory is he actually is a mental midget, a step above shishi.
Should be interesting to see if he learns to use his left arm or refines his dohyo iri first.

>>232297
>a step above shishi
Shishi is a literal Neanderthal.

>>232297
Onosato (Cerebro) would win 70 cups. He had to be nerfed.

>>232074
Depends if he found a Saudi Oil Baron to agree with him

>>232179
I miss him

>>232298
That's just his gimmick. He's borrowing it from former WWE Star Eugene

Onosato's entrance is objectively better than Hosh's because Onosato is the more accomplished wrestler and a better yokozuna. Onosato wins 3 cups a year and Hosh pulls down one every other year.
Mitakeumi has more cups than Hosh does, so does Takakeisho, he is a pathetic low tier yokozuna, that's why he was promoted on the 'strength' of an ersatz yusho instead of a pair of real ones like Onosato was. Hosh was never able to even almost beat Terunofuji and Onosato destroyed him in legendary fashion, literally ended his career same as Takahanada did to Chiyonofuji.

>>232307
>can't beat Hosh though for some reason

>>232307
this is pathetic cope

>>231899
>What's the deal with Hakuho?
First, he's Mongorian, and Japs don't like gaijin. Second, he's the fucking GOAT, and Japs HATE the fact that a gaijin is the GOAT. Finally, he KNOWS he's the GOAT, and he's been opposing the JSA his whole career because of the way they've treated him and other gaijin.

The JSA will unite and shitcan any that oppose them, be they Japanese, like Takanohana, or gaijin like Hakuho. When you're on their list, it's just a matter of time, and they are VERY, very patient.

The meeting is in session.

RIP

>>232309
>cant win a yusho for some reason

>>232325
Sad, but this isn't the end for Hakuho. He has plenty of options outside of the JSA.

>>232319
They've already been through this with Akebono, they told him outright that they're not about to let a foreign infiltrator become a big wheel in the organization. Somehow Hakuho was too thick headed to figure out the same rule applies to him.
Meanwhile Musashigawa manages to be a chillax'd bro and run his stable without making waves. And apparently Teru is going to get to take over an ichimon flagship, so its not like they're not averse to foreigners in the JSA, they just don't want them running the show or making waves in a major Japanese cultural institution.
Hakuho wanting to be a JSA bigshot is on par with a Lutheran trying to become pope.

>>232327
he should go the pro wrestling route.

>>232328
>Somehow Hakuho was too thick headed to figure out the same rule applies to him.
Hakuho didn't ask to be a big-shot. He just wanted his heya back.

>>232328
probably because it is retarded that the top guy to ever do it is forever locked out due to nationalism. i'd be pissed if i was him. None of these fucks ever touched even his feet in terms of accomplishments.

Behold, the only Mongolian with hinkaku.

Let us remember at this time the good boy agreement the NSK made Hakuho sign in order to get his kabu - an agreement which had never before been demanded of a prospective oyakata, and which will never again be demanded.

>>232333
>Hakuho signed a good boy agreement
>Hakuho wasn't a good boy
>muh mongol racism!

>>232335
You know better than to post shit.

>>232327
Why's it sad? Isn't one of the reasons he is in this mess because he never actually supervised his own stable?

>Hakuho out
Reddit seething which is good

>>232339
>my opinion on something is directly connected to some much bigger website
sad

>>232323
ye ye distrust my ass, his ego won't take the fact he'd be under Teru's supervision lol.

>>232334
So it wasn't just the weight that made him sweat profusely.

>>232338
The problems that occurred in his heya were really not remarkable by the standard set by the Association. If held to the same standards, at least half of the current oyakata would not be in the NSK.

In the current riji:
-Shibatayama (Onokuni) has been sued several times for beating his wrestlers. One of them was injured so badly he lost an eye.
-Kasugano (Tochinowaka) used a golf club to beat the fuck out of a number of his wrestlers, and covered up a lawsuit about one of his wrestlers crippling another one.
-Isegahama (Asahifuji) was responsible for Harumafuji's conduct as his oyakata. He also covered up the 2022 boiling water, BB gun, and beating incidents until he received calls from the victim's relatives who had seen the state the boy was in.
-Hakkaku (Hokutoumi) ordered terrorist threats to be made against the NSK-associated Shinto order suggesting that they not vote for Takanohana.

>>232343
None of those suggest they weren't present in their stables though. What I said was why do people want him around if he's not even at the stable helping train people? How is this a big loss like people are saying?

>>232344
>None of those suggest they weren't present in their stables though
I don't believe that you or anyone else sincerely thinks "doesn't live at the heya" is a dismissal-worthy offense.
Especially when "live at the heya" was not on the terms of Hakuho's good boy agreement. If they wanted that, then why did they not request that?

>>232345
I never said live there I just mean show up a few times a week at least.

>>232346
Why do you think he wasn't there every day? Do you have any evidence to suggest that he wasn't?

>>232333
>an agreement which had never before been demanded of a prospective oyakata
Because most prospective oyakats didn't have multiple formal disciplinary strikes on them when they were wrestlers.

>>232348
What about Taihou and Kashiwado and Chiyonoyama and Kitanofuji and Wajima and Akebono?
Do you think Asanoyama will be denied a kabu unless he signs an agreement? What about Abi? What about Ryuden or Tohakuryu? Doesn't seem terribly likely, does it?

>>232343
>-Hakkaku (Hokutoumi) ordered terrorist threats to be made against the NSK-associated Shinto order suggesting that they not vote for Takanohana.
What the fuck?

>>232352
Obviously there's no "proof" that it was him, but the idea of gangsters threatening to kill people for not voting for a particular candidate while not having any association with that candidate - in a sumo election of all things - is rather ridiculous.

What is the "the NSK-associated Shinto order"?

>>232354
I remembered the details wrong and mixed it up with something else. There are external voters on who gets to be rijicho, and one of them happened to be a Shinto priest at the time. This had nothing to do with the Shinto association with sumo.

>>232288
The boy has no grace. He's the embodiment of retard strength.

>>232343
>join organisation run by a notorious old-boys club
>completely disregard their cronyism, blatant unfairness, and dislike of foreigners
>spend years and years acting the bigshot and trying to do things your own way
>as soon as they begrudgingly allow you to have a stable, run it just as badly as they thought you would
I don't understand what Hakuho was expecting. If he wasn't prepared to be an ass-kissing house negro like Musashimaru and Kakuryu, he should have just gone straight back to Mongolia.

>>232357
>run it just as badly as they thought you would
Exactly as they would?

>>232358
What part of double standards don't you understand? Hakuho is a foreigner, and therefore he has to behave ten times better than a Japanese would.

It was a trap from the get go, he just couldn't let it go so wasted years trying. The moment they put him on hold, he should've left. Hell, he shouldn't have joined in the first place, knowing the agreement.

Him being in this limbo is an ideal scenario for them. He has no influence within and he's walking on eggshells so can't make any moves outside the JSA either. Now he probably wants to do something in the amateur space. My guess is, years from now he'll be funnelling talent into a few stables he's on good terms with.

>really thinks rikishi could crack concrete
remember these are who youre arguing with when talking about the sport side of thing.

>>232340
Shut your bitch ass up nigga we smoking that hak pack total Mongolian death

>>232333
deserved though. watching the interview of isegahama, teru and hakuho just confirmed he's a jerk. bye felicia.

Hakuho is a little bitch and I wholeheartedly support his expulsion from Japan solely on the fact that he took too many manlets under his wing

>>232343
>The problems that occurred in his heya were really not remarkable by the standard set by the Association
A foreign oyakata protecting a foreign rishiki from the consequences of his abuse of the Japanese was in fact a unique first time occurrence.

Davaajargal Monkhbatyn should stay in Mongolia and never come back. I hope they revoke his Japanese citizenship too.

The chink that runs Arashio beya will let you hug and kiss the sweaty wrestlers after practice for 13,000¥. He is also now selling Wakatakakoga's bath water.
https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/15733332

>>231659 (OP)
Hakuho is filthy rich and a global celebrity (very niche, but still). Why the fuck would he want to live a monastic life as an oyakata it’s beyond me. He should just focus on his Hakuho Cup and enjoy his fortune. It could even improve his image, which was somewhat tarnished in the eyes of japonese.

Sumo is very healthy right now, making more money than ever. He had no leverage against the NSK's old farts, and the 'younger' elders, like Kaio, hate his guts.

There was never any hope.

>>232388
>why would he want to be an oyakata
Because only oyakatas have any say in how ozumo functions. Being a big name in amasumo is a consolation prize. However, even with the Hakuho Cup, he's still nowhere near as important for amasumo as some of the veteran coaches at the sumo high schools like Tottori Johoku or Saitama Sakae, because those men are directly involved in training the young up-and-comers, in many cases sending them on directly to ozumo. Hakuho just funds the Hakuho Cup and watches some of the fights.

>>232388
My conspiracy theory is that Hakuho intentionally did all this so he can drum up the fake image of the wrongly slighted reformist beaten down because he tried to modernize a decaying institution, and he never had any serious plans of being an elder long-term. It's like how Asashoryu was able to parlay his ousting to create the image of him as a Mongolian national hero wrongly slighted by the Japanese for racism and build a business empire in his homeland through his connections. Except Hakuho has enough connections in Japan he could build celebrity status for himself.

>>232384
I'd say it's more cos(x)-1

>>232331
>None of these fucks ever touched even his feet in terms of accomplishments.
Which don't mean dick when it comes to being a coach. He may be the greatest of all time as a competitor, but his teaching skills were sorely lacking. Guy knew Hokuseiho for 20 years and couldn't get him to use his other arm (it was too busy gluing wallets).

RIP in piss, HakuKWAB.

Apparently he was slated to get his stable back in November, but couldn't wait that long because he was butthurt over having to serve at Iseghama while Teru was boss.

>>232397
Would you want to wipe Teru's ass if you were Hakuho?

>>232393
You cant seriously be saying this is the coaches fault when you have abi and daieisho at the top, and a million interviews that boil down to
>practice my brand of sumo
you can hate his brand all you want, but he still made the top division at 21.

>>232397
His own fault, if he thinks his accomplishments on the dohyo outweigh the elder hierarchy then he deserved to get kicked out.

>>232399
>You cant seriously be saying this is the coaches fault
>but he still made the top division at 21
So you're saying everything bad about Hokuseiho isn't Hakuho's fault but everything good about him is?

>when you have abi and daieisho at the top
Abi and Daieisho can use both of their fucking arms.

>>232399
Hokuseiho was 21 only according to his mong birth certificate. 3rd world birth certificates are notoriously inaccurate and are regularly adjusted in order to suit the needs of their owners, this is happened in every sport in which it is applicable. Go read up on Manute Bol or Fernando Valenzuela for some prominent examples.

Reminder that people at Kisenosato's stable where caught sodomizing each other with sake bottles and drinking from them after they were pulled from the anus. But that's okay I guess. As long as you're Japanese you can get away with anything.

>>232404
> sodomizing each other with sake bottles and drinking from them after they were pulled from the anus
They we're on blood pressure medication, they can get a note from their doctors

reminder the only real culprit here is the bitch snitch who told his parents he was being bullied like a little beta faggot.

>>232406
>My wallet... was glued...
>AAAAAIIIEEEEEEEEE DESTROY THE STABLE

>>232397
>could've gotten it back earlier if he worked harder
>but he was mad about it being too far off so he slacked
>which made it further off

>>232404
>das racist!
You don't hear of any controversy from Kakuryu or Kyokutenho do you?

>>231874
NATO and EU membership.

>>232401
no, im saying you can coach rikishi as much as youd like and they're still going to do what they're going to do. his move was the single arm mawashi grab. it got him, aling with hakuho's coaching, to the top division at a young age. you not liking his brand of sumo is fine, but pretending there aren't others with similar single moveset brands is retarded
>>232403
im aware thisbis a possibility, nut wasn't he in japan most his life? enough to be accurate enough.

>>232406
The only people who hate snitching are bullies and criminals. Informing the relevant authorities about wrongdoing is common decency.

>>232406
Hakuho would have gotten away with much lenient punishment if he snitched Hogluestandho to NSK himself

>>231874
>is there anything he DOESN'T have?
The Donbas and Crimea.

>>232413
That would require him to have a clue about what was going on in his own stable, but he couldn't even be assed to do that because he was too busy hanging out with Demon Kakka (tl: "Kakka" means "shit" referring to his "music")

Hakuho should join AEW and save pro wrestling.

>>232413
He couldn't have done that. Hokuseiho was doing his bullying because he'd been left in a position of authority he was completely unsuited for, due to the master refusing to live at the stable and directly manage his disciples day-by-day. Exposing Hokuseiho's behaviour would have required Hakuho to admit that he was seriously neglecting his duties as an oyakata, further exacerbated by a pre-existing impression that Hakuho cared more about extra-curricular things like his business deals and the Hakuho Cup than his position as a JSA elder. The bullying in itself was a relatively minor issue, the neglect was the big deal, and the attempted cover-up (which failed because Hakuho proved unable to discipline his spoiled brat of a protege) was the final nail in the coffin.

>>232411
>you can coach rikishi as much as youd like and they're still going to do what they're going to do.
Good coaches should be able to improve their athletes. It's not like Hakuho had to turn him into a completely different fighter. It would have only taken some small changes to make big improvements to his game, which failed to materialize.

> it got him, aling with hakuho's coaching, to the top division at a young age
Given how little Hokuseiho improved throughout his career, it was less to do with Hakuho's coaching and all to do from Hokuseiho being fuck huge at 18.

>but pretending there aren't others with similar single moveset brands is retarded
You don't have to sacrifice technical proficiency to do your brand of sumo. Abi and Daieisho limited gameplans, but still have craft in what they do.

>>232384
You say this, but the threads during theast basho were fucking dreadful.

>>232419
The chart doesn't assign absolute scores, just relative peaks and troughs. If you thought the threads were bad during the basho, you're in for a shock over the coming weeks.

http://www.daily.co.jp/general/2025/06/02/0019058040.shtml
>Isegahama -> Miyagino
>Terunofuji -> Isegahama
Already the ichimon leader in such a short time...

Now we know why the sumo gods were crying the other day.

>>232421
Mongolian menace never ends...

>>232421
Harumafuji will be the next Miyagino.

>>232421
Guess this proves he's staying on as a consultant. Wonder who's in line for Kiriyama.

Takatoriki bros...

>>232421
Hakuho didn't want to wait, so now Ishiura gets the stable instead. lmao

>>232430
>attached
kek

>>232415
He was still at his stable, so he should have known.

>>232432
Hakuho would often be absent for extended periods of time, and didn't use his stable as his primary residence. As a high-ranking wrestler, Hokuseiho was often the most senior man in the building, and could do whatever he wanted.

>>232418
yeah, he could have been better, but he never really had that long to develop in the top division and really doesn't need to do better than maegashira to have a successful career in sumo. what really is happening is malding along the lines of

>big people make me M A D ! ! !

you can just say you dont like his style of sumo instead of coming up with a million different copes. there are a hundreds of different weightclass events you could watch. hand waving his success in sumo as
>he is big
is retarded

>>232433
And what evidence is there he wasn't showing up regularly?

>>232435
>>232436
The same source that broke him leaving sumo a week before it happened.
Like it or not, sports tabloids are on the ball about events happening.

>>232435
>source
All of this is well known - it was discussed at length last year when the news broke. It's the whole reason the stable got nuked.
>>232436
That's not what I said. Hakuho doubtlessly did attend regularly to train his men, the problem was that with his numerous other ventures and interests, he was notably away from the stable a lot more often than the average oyakata, and as I said didn't live there. This means that there was a lot less direct oversight from him than there perhaps should have been, resulting in a vicious imbecile like Hokuseiho being left in charge far too often.

>>232433
So if he was so shit at training people, why are people upset that he's leaving? Seems like it's not a loss.

I think it is more of a case of personal dislike than xenophobia.
Reminds me of the Takanohana thing.

>>232439
The main arguments are that Hakuho was treated more harshly than other scandal-hit oyakatas (true), that the benefits of keeping such a big and successful name in the sport outweigh the negatives of him being a poor and neglectful master (debatable), and that the JSA is too racist and xenophobic to make sensible decisions regarding foreign elders (nonsense).

Hakkaku is such a shitbag

>>232440
Sounds more like they're just assblasted that someone's sumo resume is better than theirs so they turn into childish salaryman gatekeepers.

Also, his disciples should probably go to a well connected stable.
Look at how they treated Takakeisho who was a Takanohana disciple, with things such as not promoting him to Ozeki when he had 3 wins and making sure to say "all the 3 Ozeki are crap when the other 2 were having disastrous tournaments and he was actually competing for the tournament"

Meant 33 wins

Takakeisho was denied promotions because that way the JSA can say they're not being racist when they fuck over Mongolians.
>See? We were mean to a Japanese rikishi too :)

>>232448
They were far more lenient with Kirishima than they were with him. They were basically saying "32 wins is enough for Kirishima to become Ozeki" (he did get 34, so he more than deserved the promotion and seems like a really good guy, this is not a criticism of Kirishima)

>>232434
>you can just say you dont like his style of sumo
"Only using one arm" is not a stylistic choice you absolute fucking dunce. It's not a stance or tactics situation where there's pros and cons. There's literally no advantage to willingly taking one of your limbs out of play. He's just retarded.

>there are a hundreds of different weightclass events you could watch.
>hand waving his success in sumo as he is big is retarded
You are too retarded to notice that you've contradicted yourself once again. In a sport like sumo where there are no weight classes, size is a huge factor for success. You put Hokuseiho's skills in Takakeisho's body and his game straight up doesn't work.

Hokuseiho got where he was through his size. His "style of sumo" was literally just leaning his weight on opponents to tire them out because he had a height advantage on everyone so could do that. Any time he couldn't clinch his opponent up his win rate would drop like a stone. Anyone who can't see that is literally blind.

And criticising him for one dimension sumo is grossly unfair when Abi literally exists. He can't push, he can't belt fight, all he can do is nodowa which many people don't like. At least with Hokuseiho you got your money's worth in bout duration.

Why is this thread so fast?

>>232452
Abi's matches are far nicer to watch than Hokuseiho's . He slaps (not in the normal sense, but also in the Zoomer sense) and he henkas.

>>232453
Hakuho got Takanohana'd

Did we ever get a Hokuseiho henka?

>>232359
>he has to behave ten times better than a Japanese would.

Pretty much, and there's nothing wrong with that imo.

>>232457
All foreigners in Japan are effectively on probation.

Is Chris' video about "allies" full of shit?
I imagined most of the contemporary Japs of Hakuho would be quite salty and obstruct his elder career as much as they can.

>>232453
"GOAT" left

>>232460
Chris, full of shit? Unheard of. He's our man in Japan, his finger's on the pulse of the sport. Has he ever been wrong?

>>232460
There's a difference between traditional sumo opinion among the older elders in charge of the JSA, and contemporary opinion by figures outside the JSA or younger elders. Everyone outside the JSA is away from the behind the scenes going on, so they don't care what happens as long as the bashos have good sumo and there are multiple banquets to hang out at.

>>232451
>There's literally no advantage to willingly taking one of your limbs out
>forgets tons of hoshoryu (the yokozuna just so you know) belt throws are done single armed
watch 100 more basho before replying
>you've contradicted yourself once again.
no, his size is a part of it, but if there was no skill, hed be a shitter like Yoshiazuma Hiroshi. Plenty of unsuccessful guys with size.
>>232452
>Hokuseiho got where he was through his size
>His "style of sumo" was literally just leaning his weight on opponents to tire them out
opponents fault. its like when people lose to abi by jumping at him at the edge of the ring and going out by their own momentum. don't play into your opponents bramd if sumo
i do agree his size did help, but all rikishi fight to their strengths.
>>232454
only when he loses

H-ACK!-KEK-HOE got fucking rekt lmao. Good luck with your restaurant! You are gonna fucking need it boy because you've never made chanko in your life!

>>232460
Your post seems like Headcanon
He didn't seem to be particularly disliked by his contemporaries other than by Terunofuji and Asashoryu

Teru and Uncle had to hate Hakuho. How else could they have fought against him at their best?

>>232467
Did you see Teru in his promotion match? No way he faced Hakuho at his best, ever. If there was one yokozuna he fought hardest against, it was Kisenosato.

>>232464
>forgets tons of hoshoryu (the yokozuna just so you know) belt throws are done single armed
>watch 100 more basho before replying
Learn how to fucking grapple before replying. Even if the throw is done one-armed, he uses both arms to move and unbalance his opponent before letting go of one of the grips to execute the throw. Hoshoryu doesn't just use one arm exclusively like Hokuseiho does.

>>232459
>All foreigners in Japan are effectively on probation.
As well they should be. The fact that white people aren't hanging niggers in public squares is exactly why their nations are getting overrun by shitskins.

>>232464
I'm was with you until trying to compare belt throws to straight up not using the other arm.

>>232469
>there is NO advantage to willingly take limb out of play
>here is examples where its an advantage
>NOOOOOOOO NOT LIKE THAT YOU NEED TO LEARN TO GRAPPLE
Nah, nigga, you lern2grapple
>>232471
im just refuting his point with an equally thought out (not at all ) point since thats the direct he wants to go. im probably arguing with the guy who thinks they can crack correctly poured concrete because he saw e honda do it in streetfighter

>>232472
>there is NO advantage to willingly take limb out of play
>here is examples where its an advantage
>NOOOOOOOO NOT LIKE THAT
Removing one arm to throw =/= never using the other arm to begin with

>>232473
>t. pic
should have made a better argument from the stsrt retard. i accept your concession

>>232474
I think you were the only one who thought the goal was somewhere else, and are just now figuring out what the conversation was about in the first place.

>>232475
no, i knew the direction you were going from the very beginning. i could come up with more reasons or examples to why he may have made the choice to only use his one arm, but you obviously just want to be mad that he was successful with his brand of sumo. there wasn't a point in arguing with you any longer when you say
>Only using one arm" is not a stylistic choice
when hokuseiho clearly made the stylistic decision to fight that way for whatever reason. a style that brought him to the top division

Neville! Tea's ready dear!

>>232476
>i could come up with more reasons or examples to why he may have made the choice to only use his one arm
Go for it

>>232476
In fact, every once in a while Hokuseiho did use both arms in a much more dynamic style. It didn't happen often and it didn't always win the bout for him, but it was there. The boy obviously knew how to wrestle - he had to have done, knowing Hakuho for so long - so it seems like he genuinely was choosing the One Branch Tree style for whatever reason. I always used to think that he was hoping for an opportunity to perform a rare kimarite that required him to start with one arm free, but we'll never know now. It's a shame, because with his size and shape he could have got much further than he did. I suspect that despite (or perhaps because of) his genetic advantages and his immense privilege to be personally trained and mentored by Hakuho himself, he was fundamentally lazy and unmotivated, unwilling to go at 100% on the dohyo.

>>232479
>it seems like he genuinely was choosing the One Branch Tree style for whatever reason
As has been said before, it's because he was so tall that he could just weigh his opponent down until he eventually won. Boxers do that shit all the time.

The truth is, Hakuho had been scouting Hakuoho from a very young age and wanted to groom the kid into being his homegrown yokozuna. Everyone else was trained not so they could win themselves, but so they could help Hakuoho's training. This is why Hakuho named him Hakuoho, when the JSA said he couldn't just name him Hakuho II. The fact that Hokuseiho made the top division was a nice benefit, but Hakuho's goal was never to make him the guy.

>>232476
Bro I'm not even the guy you were originally talking to.

>>232478
injury somewhere with the other hand, wrist, elbow that limits strength. things like tendinitis that flares up in the elbows.
coordination. could be that hes not comfortable with having his other side into the other rikishi. might only feel like he van pull off the throw from one side (even hoshoryu favors one side to throw with and has fucked his elbow up because it).
going with coordination, the seperate arm could be helping with balance if he starts getting off balance. lot of tall young guys don't have the coordination because they out grew learning it.
as said by >>232479 it could be leaving it free for the
>if all else fails, i can try this because the hands free

>>232481
Ochiai is a way cooler name than Hakuoho.

>>232481
Hakuho's skills as a coach are matched only by his talent at scouting.

> 伝統文化の大相撲とは異なる「SUMO」のプロリーグを運営する見込みで、関係者によれば、現役時代から交流のある国際的な企業数社がスポンサーに名を連ねる可能性があるという。
https://hochi.news/articles/20250602-OHT1T51256.html

>>232487
We already have sumo without the traditional trappings and bizarre, monastic daily life. It's embarrassing and nobody cares about it. If Hakuho teams up with something like the US Sumo Open, he might as well cut out the middleman and start a humiliating career in pro wrestling while he's still young enough to pretend he's fit to fight.