Why are anime and manga boys so weak now?

because the average fan wouldn't be able to self insert if they had a non-twink build

>>279622878 (OP)
>dude what if this beta loser is actually a harem chad
>dude what if this weak kid is actually stronger than people who have muscles and can fight lol
Oh brother.

>>279622878 (OP)
the boys haven't changed at all, it's the increased prevalence of women who could fold me up like a lawn chair

Overpopulation

>>279622878 (OP)

Muscle girls have become more popular and pairing them with a slimmer boy/twink gives a good contrast to emphasize the muscles. Same reason Uzaki is a shortstack paired with a huge Senpai, emphasizes shortstack-iness.

Zoomer fetish

>>279622956
Only in fiction. The only thing that changed with women is that they're much more feisty and disrespectful.

>>279626383
(you)

>>279626383
Is it still safe horny if they're conventionally attractive apart from having moderate amount of muscle and being depicted as taller than the guy they're interacting with like with the OP's pic?

>>279622878 (OP)
masculinity is an abstract joke in the current day and animanga reflects this by creating self-inserts for nu-males

>>279622878 (OP)
>anime and manga boys
bitch I'm weak IRL

>>279626383
I'm 35 and I have this fetish. Kinks transcend generations.

>>279622878 (OP)
On average asian men are a bit smaller. So simple to self insert I guess for their assumed main audience. Don't think there are that many big women though, except hambeasts. Not sure what it is that makes them significantly taller than other women. Don't think the body is meant to grow taller simply by being a fucking whale.

>>279626383
>twitter screencap

>>279626383
go look up Robert Crumb

>>279622878 (OP)
>>279622912
Here's a better question: why are romance leads such socially awkward autists now? Whatever happened to the normal romance leads that were reasonably good looking and could talk to girls without sperging out, like pic related?

>>279627347
this doesn't make sense when the entire population of japan is asian tho, you're coping with the fact that otakus all around the world in general are typically weak losers

>>279626507
>The only thing that changed with women is that they're much more feisty and disrespectful.
this is more then enough to create fetishes in the modern generation of directionless young men

>>279626082
You almost got to the heart of it which is that they're appealing more to submissive boys now so they make the boys weak to get dominated by strong girls.

>>279627870
>directionless young men
>Knowing what you like means you're lost
You dumbfuck. Hug your girlfriend.

>>279622878 (OP)
why do gen z faggots like the OP like these shitty twitter pics?

>>279622912
>implying

you'd have to juice like crazy to get thighs that big

>>279622878 (OP)
Thinly veiled homosexuality. They don't even know what women look like. Even roided out women don't have the proportions. Just a sad fetish.

>>279622878 (OP)
adult woman fetish

>>279627792
What happened to the funny perverted ones who could step up to plate when it mattered?

>>279627724
betas have existed for a long time

>>279628473
Muscle fetishists don't actually know what they're asking for so they base the proportions off of fat thighs, but you can tell from the knees that she's bigger-boned than the boy anyways.

>>279628473
no...surely that's achievable natty...?

>>279626778
>moderate amount of muscle
That is not a moderate amount of muscle for a girl

>>279622878 (OP)
muscle mommy bullshit is fucking disgusting. the stupid whores who go along with it and get "jacked" need to be stoned to death.

>>279628473
Its based on a real picture but in that case I think she was just fat and he was skinny.

>>279626383
Zoomer wasn't around when monster girls were at there peak popularity where the vast majority of it was female on male rape
This was a period before woke or safe horny was a phrase

>>279622878 (OP)
An increase in weak, submissive men like you.

>>279622878 (OP)
men with boobs are hot

>>279630607
No, zoomers were around in the 2010s. There has always been media/porn for submissive boys. I don't think anyone is denying that.

>>279622878 (OP)

>>279622878 (OP)
Why are muscular legs so sexy?

>>279627901
I have a boyfriend.

>>279629838
It is achievable natty. Look at any track cyclist.

>>279622878 (OP)
>now
Japs have trouble writing young male MCs that are chad-looking, assertive and solid in character individuals in their general works.

They instead (usually) choose going 0 to 100.
Meaning either the plainest beta herbivore twink that blushes in the single idea of even a kiss in the cheek, pleads "GOMEN" on his knees every time (he thinks) women are mildly inconvenienced of him and can't flirt for shit. So generally be a healthy, non-autistic and sexually active young man.

...OR he will be the hentai man. With the most depraved tastes possible that no mentally-sound IRL woman would watch and get off to. And of course they only appear in hentai in full glory.

>>279622878 (OP)
A syndrome of a sick society that holds up losers as role models for social figures, a kind of "loserification" of society.
This is something observable not only through anime but also through literature, music, and even cinema.
We can also say that the moment when art only copies art is the moment when art finally dies.
Art draws inspiration from reality, distorts it, or makes it ugly, depending on the will of the author and the message (if there is a message) they want to convey.
We've moved from an era where creators relied on history, literature, ideals, philosophy, theology, or the lives of the world's great men as their reference points to an introspective style that ends up, in one case, taking itself as its reference material, and in another, becoming depressing and pretentious, wanting to emulate its forefathers without having their life stories, their experience, or their depth.
The manga and anime market is a consumer market that obeys economic rules; it's a soulless industry more than a medium for artistic creation; anime has become a product, not a work of art.
To this end, I urge us to take an interest in the different archetypes of men and women in anime.
There's nothing original anymore; everyone copies everyone else.
What changes is only the design and appearance of the character, but even the voice and facial expressions resemble each other.
The characters are nothing more than products with different tastes, like what you might find in a supermarket.
You want a tsundere? A good deal—how do you want it? Redhead? Blonde? More of a loli? Or a Milf? All of that already exists; the nuance and humanity of the characters is definitively dead.
Only a few works sometimes manage to emerge to offer something authentic, but they are rare, because time passes and good artists die or lose their souls.
One day, there will be no more bread or games, and only fools will eat the flies sold to them as meat.

>>279626383
I don't think this is about being safe horny, not even an exclusively zoomer thing. Zoomers, millenials and gen x like MILF porn the most because they all had terrible selfish parents. Ever since boomers the ratio of parents neglecting their children has skyrocketed.
You can actually look it up. MILF porn has been the most popular category since forever. It is by far the nº 1 fetish held by men and it's all due to shitty childhoods.
If you see any other categories ranking first in surveys it is because MILF porn has become so normalized they don't even tag it.

>>279626383
people still want to have sex with smaller women, that hasn't gone away

>>279633386
>MILF porn has been the most popular category since forever. It is by far the nº 1 fetish held by men and it's all due to shitty childhoods.
Or it's because MILFs are fucking hot and I like huge tits?

>>279633519
You find them hot because your father and mother didn't love you enough, like pretty much everybody else.

>>279628944
single digit character archetype

>>279633090
thing is, both can occur in one individual and I think this is pandered to becvause this is the target demographic.

ie, outwardly socially retarded omega male, inwardly sexually frustrated perverted potential rapist.

it's also why you see pic related, the wish-fulfillment fantasy version, usually in isekai..

>>279633614
no he finds them hot because this is the archetypal image of a sexually mature female with all the fertility signifiers

>>279633830
>of a sexually mature female with all the fertility signifiers
Fertility is when they are young.

>>279628944
best mc archetype imo. A relic of the heisei era

>>279632708
Women tend to have thicker thighs, adding some muscle to that makes the result even more perfect

>>279627792
>>279622878 (OP)

The truth is men want to be chased around as much as women do but that luxury almost never happens. Men do the chasing only due to absolute necessity

>>279626383
grim

>>279628944
>What happened to the funny perverted ones who could step up to plate when it mattered?
Unironically the best romcom protag is still the authors self insert.

>>279635310
Men want to feel accomplishment, which is why girls feigning disinterest is such an effective strategy

Always funny how this topic brings out such harsh reactions and insecurity

>its only for submissive betas zoomers, unlike me!
>its the death of masculinity!
>its le loserification of society!

My sweet /a/ poster, this fetish is tailor-made for your effeminate ass

>>279636113
Women also get wet by stoic disinterested guys who have status/options so it cancels out

>>279636811
Then why is shoujo filled with clingy possessive hot guys?

>>279622956
No, they have. Male characters have absolutely gotten smaller over the years. It used to be a guy like Negi was a shota, but nowadays shotas are like half Negi's size.
Even in manga where the author swears up and down the guy is totally out of college, the guy barely looks high school aged.

>>279626383
I don't want my women being stronger and bigger than me. I want her to be as strong and as big as me, and i want to be 2.3m tall and strongest men alive.

>>279637100
Women like the prince charming chad but deep down they really thirst for the dark prince chad who corner's them and treats them like a pet.

Because Hajime Isayama destroyed the future of the industry by cucking out and refusing to reignite the nipponese warrior spirit

>>279622878 (OP)
Manlet cope fetish

>>279634916
I don't want to ruin your dreams, but on average men have thicker thighs than women.

>>279639104
lol no

>>279639277
Yes
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr010.pdf
>mid-thigh circumference for females: 51.6 cm
>mid-thigh circumference for males: 53.3 cm
https://ergocenter.ncsu.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/18/2017/09/Anthropometric-Summary-Data-Tables.pdf
>thigh clearance men: 7.09 in
>thigh clearance women: 6.57 in

>>279622878 (OP)
That girl is hot

>>279631209
me on the right

>>279626383
yes
women bigger than me is hot
sadly women desire bigger men
this is our lot in life

>>279626383
this, what the fuck is even going on now? the roles are reversed, younger men want to be small and weak and get dominated by women bigger and stronger? what the fuck? it's the microplastics affecting testosterone levels, isn't it?

>>279633830
Why is AI slop unattractive? Not even hating but for some reason i dont feel it appealing.

>>279641972
No human intent

>>279626383
>I want to be pegged, bullied, and stepped on by the feet of a tall brown hag muscle mommy
I honestly just consider all of these types to be homosexuals. Physically and mentally dominating a teenage girl a head shorter, half your weight, with a third your upper body strength and plunging your dick into her prime pink pussy while kissing her deeply and holding her hands and having her legs involuntarily wrap around your waist for the purposes of making her nurture your children for the rest of her life is infinitely hotter than whatever masonic maxxvaxxed psyop has been groomed into the minds of these broken zoomers. You are raped. You are gay.

>>279633297
what an embarrassingly bad post

>>279642287
What if I want both?

>>279642342
do better faggot

>>279622878 (OP)
bring back male tsunderes

>>279642345
Doubtful. Nobody who has access to the superior fantasy would waste mental space on the inferior one. The only reason people fantasize about these ridiculous scenarios that satanically invert the healthy gender roles of the last 1000000+ years is because of microplastics, seed oils, and jewish mental conditioning designed to create impotent weak men.

>>279642287
Nah

>>279635310

>>279622912
Why are anime and manga fans so weak?

ITT: Lanklets crying.

You made fun of us manlets but now that your love lives are less than ideal, who's laughing now? I can go to any European country and find millions of attractive women taller than me. Can you say the same?

Idk but I don’t like it
>>279622912
I disagree

>>279644829
You're not the target audience, doesn't matter if you disagree

It's weird whenever you have threads like these faggots come out of the woodwork to make it seem like everyone who likes women of this or similar build are all homos in denial and want to be fucked in the ass. I just like big women, the homosexual fantasy shtick just seems like projection.

>>279644762
I feel like people also don't get that a lot of lanklets have this fetish too.

>>279645182
You would have to be blind or retarded to miss it. Go to ANY tall girl fetish thread and it's just filled with anons complaining about how they're over 6 feet and the fetish remains imaginary for them.

>>279629587
retard alert

>>279645656
it's ringing for (You)

>>279631032
There were certainly some late 90s gen Z kids around for it, but overall the site and this board was still overwhelmingly millennial when Monster Girl Quest came out.

>>279622878 (OP)
Not sure but the boy look just as breedable as the girl, I wish I could see what kind of expressions he would make while she broke his pelvis.

>>279642287
What if I like both?
The Amazon type girl like Ninja or Lady from netflix dmc and the petite shy girl Iike Nagato or tsuruya from Haruhi Suzumiya.

>>279635310
I want to raise a beautiful Tanpopo with my wife.

>>279641972
There's something about knowing that the art you're consuming was generated by a bunch of codes and patterns instead of human hands that makes you unable to feel any kind of appreciation or arousal for it, at least in my case. Like picrel is way less detailed than that AI pic but I still find it 100% more appealing.

>>279626383
>/d/ fetishes are acceptable fetishes now
>vanilla is now perversion

>>279622912
I don't understand that mentality. I've always had self-esteem issues, but I've never liked pathetic male protagonists who can't speak without stuttering. I want to see dudes like Onizuka, Kamina or Nube being protagonists in my shows, because despite my shitty life I still think being a man is great when you're not a loser and they're the kind of man I'd like to be.

>>279634102
that's a HAG

>>279631209
Shorty hunting whales like a mad vengeful sailor.

>>279648214
modern gen is severely bullied for acting macho. that's just how it is. they think being an emotional twink is more brave and stunning than being tough and overcoming the odds.

>>279622878 (OP)
It depends on the kind of manga and anime you read/watch, but there's a noticeable trend where Romcom MCs and Isekaishit protags in particular have gone from looking relatively normal to progressively wimpier looking. Part of it has to do with the simplification of character design art styles, I suppose. As for muscular/tall women making the guys look relatively small by comparison, like in the homosexual known as OP's pic related, I'd say that that's secondary because that fetish remains relatively niche.

>>279626383
>Xitter screencap
>the content is still undeniably correct
A conflicting feeling.

>>279648361
Yeah I mean even if MC's in romcoms are becoming more like that, the dynamic in OP's pic is still mainly present in fetish hentai as opposed to mainstream romcoms.

>>279622912
>>279648214
I just wish more writers were capable of writing males with insecurities without them being sniffling babies 24/7.

>>279636113
>which is why girls feigning disinterest is such an effective strategy

>>279642287
You're absolutely right.

>>279649032
Tomboys in the original 19th century racist/eugenic sense of the world >>>>> the modern zoomer conception of tomboy (aka "girls" with so much testosterone they'd be rendered infertile)

>>279631209
I hate when people make 2B look like a fucking ham, that wasn't her original appeal at all.

>>279622878 (OP)
>>279622912
>>279627792
>>279628944
>>279635310
The truth is that jews control the media so they push these weak pussy faggot MCs so as to brainwash the male Japanese population and weebs into becoming like that in order to keep them low test, feminized, and childless.

>>279631209
That's obesity. But looking at the other 3d renders this guy made, I'm not surprised he doesn't know how to make something look appealing.

>>279649335
Yeah I think that's why most people (correctly)find A2 more attractive now, despite the fact that they're supposed to have the same frame she's depicted that way a lot less.
>>279649396
Yeah he's a hyper size artist, and leaning more towards the former these days.

>>279649377
The Jew fears the samurai.

>>279648557
Yeah, most romcoms, Isekai and even some shone nowadays have pairings where you see a very thin and relatively small male MC with an somewhat smaller and thinner female MC, and I dunno, it seems to me like at least on a design level a part of it boil downs to sheer lazyness. These pretty much featureless characters just look easier tp mass produce
>b-but muh joos controlled media
That's far more of a concern in the west.

>>279648615
>males with insecurities without them being sniffling babies 24/7
The few times I've seen that kind of male MC the authors have destroyed and humiliated them. It's as if the Japanese can only write in extremes. Cartoonishly beta MC? has everything served on a silver platter to make the reader feel safe. MC close to the reality of a man who is inexperienced or with certain insecurities? It's completely shat on to the point of making the reader feel deeply miserable for relating to him to some extent.

>>279622878 (OP)
I bet she can split m-a watermelon in half!

>>279626383
>caring about how other people feel about your kinks
ngmi

>>279635310
Reminder that Witch Craft Works got a sequel manga. It's at 3 volumes already.

This a regular Japanese High school girl MC.

Power fantasy stoic gigachad characters are unironically more cringe, just look at Solo Leveling.

>>279650795
i wish but needs less muscle definition, keep the bulk and make her curvier and at least 2m tall

>>279635459
YOU! STOP POSTING SHIT!

>>279635746
School Rumble was at its best when Tenma was the protagonist and Harima was a side character, thoughever

>>279626892
um, sexo dept?

>>279632887
Cute!

>>279622878 (OP)
I would be honored to pour my semen into the womb like that.
And I am not a weak man

>>279626383
Who cares, I get horny to whatever gets me horny

>>279641502
how dare I want a big and strong wife to bear me big and strong children and how double dare I ask for the woman to show any sexual interest and initiate the sex

>>279633297
Nah.

>>279642443
Shitty parry btw

>>279641502

>>279628944
unironically too "problematic" for reiwa standard

>>279652032
>most of them grew up thinking women should be soft, small and submissive
>00s tsunderes.jpg

>>279652032
At the end of the day people want validation, and that's understandable

>>279649032
This post was made on /gif/, the board into trannies and shitted cuck garbage. That guy has no right yo cry about how gay tomboys supposedly are.

>>279652066
Yeah that's the "dere" in tsundere means, anon.

>>279650795
This looks like shit. Hopefully no one actually believes this is a good character design, right?

>>279652218
Not in the 00s.

>>279650032
>It's completely shat on to the point of making the reader feel deeply miserable for relating to him to some extent
I wonder if this is the author projecting to some extent? Whereas the writer who creates the usual passive MC seeks pity in his creation, the author writing a semi flawed protagonist doesn't like being faced with their worst traits. So, they shit on that MC in an effort to distance themselves from that side of their personality.

>>279652218
So because musclegirls have soft and motherly personalities, it therefore also balances out their masculine traits and they're the exact same shit?

The same people who call the dynamic in op's pic or adjacent kinks like femdom or taller girls in general "safe horny" also seem awfully concerned about the fact that 3d foids don't like those things.

>>279651786
I'm 90 pounds hbu

>>279622878 (OP)
Damn imagine how much bigger her Futa cock is than his small cock, and how she forces him to ride her….

>>279648959
you have never talked to a girl, besides your mother

>>279652061
Like "current year" standard?

>>279634102
Who said anything about knocking them up?

>>279652781
i was thinking the same thing
god i wish i was him

>>279633386
>and it's all due to shitty childhoods
Source?

>>279633297
>We can also say that the moment when art only copies art is the moment when art finally dies.
So art has been dead since the Renaissance.

>>279622878 (OP)
There's nothing wrong with having a variety of taste, including liking submissive women. Next question.

>>279650795
Goddamn, what is her choujin power level?

>>279652236
>they shit on that MC in an effort to distance themselves from that side of their personality
It sounds like a possibility, but I don't think that such a high level of self-loathing towards a part of your personality can help you improve as a person. They probably just want to make other people (the readers) feel as miserable as they feel as a way to ease their own pain.

>>279633386
>>279626383
>>279626778
>>279630607
>le safe horny buzzword
I hate Amerifats so much it's unreal.

Anime and manga are made to sell merch first and foremost because that's where the money actually is. Losers buy the most merch. It's why we get spammed with Isekai.
I think the reason this was a bit less common with 90s OVA is because normal people were paying ridiculous amounts per episode in comparison to today but idk.

>>279633297
I appreciated how brutal Evangelion was about this. I've noticed most people deeply hate shinji not because of how he acts but because they see aspects of themselves. The rebuilds fucked it up so bad.

>>279641972
AI generated media is offensive. The person who created it can't even spend the hours required to create something with actual intent, but expects you to consume it with your limited time.

>>279652846
cope

>>279653441
not an argument

>>279651425
miku is not poo tho

>>279633297
>I am 22, very smart, and so weary of the world
lol

>>279627792
Because between the demands for school life and work life giving zero free time from studying/extraciriculars and work/functionally-mandatory-work-socializing, there has been zero time for them to develop actual skills in the field of romance. So socially awkward autists is representative of the standard person there now.

>>279633297
>reddit spacing

>>279644646
>hobby is sitting, watching something or reading
>why are they weak?

>>279654180
Nah, there's definitely a lot of them that do get mad at the way he acts and don't see anything wrong with forcing middle schoolers to fight.

>>279654180
>they see aspects of themselves
Shinji is a pussy faggot, losers self-insert as him.

>>279622878 (OP)
Looks like real life except switch the muscles with fat

>>279626383
>OOH DOM ME MOMMY IM SO NON-THREATENING MOMMY IM SO SAFE HORNY FOR YOU
truly pathetic, hope none of you in here are like this.

>>279654180

>>279627792
Tbh I think a lot of mangaka have just never had the experience themselves. It's evident by how guys like the AoT mangaka wrote women and romance.

>>279654408
Neither is yours.

>>279630607
I think the only thing that zoomers "contributed" was calling men that prefer short women pedophiles.

>>279649428
That's because the artists you're seeing which depict 2B as a hamplanet are clout chasing casuals who haven't played the game.
Tragedy of the casuals. Most art ends up being of the protagonist and their immediate orbiters.

>>279654180
I hate shinji because he didn't deal with his daddy issues the american way, which is to become incredibly violent and irritable, especially towards other men (and angels).
In fact he's pretty much the opposite.

>>279627792
I think a better challenge would be to come up with a romcom where the main characters are reasonably well adjusted individuals.
Uhhh...
Horimiya?
The Guy She Was Interested in Wasn't a Guy at All?

Yeah there's not a lot.

>>279627257
>dykeshit
Lame and gay.

>>279654833
The funny thing is that he avoided romance for most of AoT's run, and he happened to also be single during it. All the stuff about Eren sperging out about Mikasa and Historia getting knocked up and written out of the story all happened after Isayama got married.

>>279633830
>AI
Fuck off.

>>279641972
Let the hate flow through you. Seriously though, there's no heart or "desire of the human body" with them. The AI just copies whatever is in its database and that's it.

>>279649032
>>279649032
>>279649266
You guys are wrong and gay.

>>279652970
I've seen a version of this chart where each girl is given a quick summary of her mental illnesses/major flaws as a description once. I don't think I've ever seen it again, even though it was probably spammed to hell and back once then.

>>279655351
You forgot to mention alcoholic and/or morbidly obese. The true American way.

>>279654788
Yet retards still complain when the males are threatening in seinen and female-targeted works.

>>279650715
wtf. now i have to wait for that to finish and read it too after i waited decades for the first manga to finish...

>>279652025
nigger

>>279654598
Thank to make me younger tard.

>>279654666
not an argument try again

>>279652932
It all depends on what we're talking about.The Renaissance is the period when we began to no longer place God at the center of society but rather Man at the center of it.Art, in its references to biblical scenes or even in its representations, decided to copy antiquity.But if we now speak of a purely visual artistic style, whether through architecture or painting, this is not true.
Certainly, from an architectural point of view, we can sense a break with the medieval period, but it's not at the exact same level as the ancient period; even the manufacturing techniques are not exactly the same, which enhances architectural works.As for painting, it is undeniable that the quality of representation and drawing technique was greatly improved. This is why, when we look at paintings from this period, we say, "It's beautiful," but here we are only talking about the form.
As for the content, even in terms of form, I'm not really in tune with the artists of this period.The works are beautiful to look at, it's true; they inspire the souls of those who see them through artistic beauty, certainly, but that's all.

>>279657183
>>279657262
>>279657314
You realize claiming to be older only makes you look more immature, no? Not that it matters considering you're an obvious summerfag though, too stupid to recognize why you don't deserve an argument.

>>279657707
>You realize claiming to be older only makes you look more immature
Immature because of what? Can you elaborate?
>Not that it matters considering you're an obvious summerfag though, too stupid to recognize why you don't deserve an argument.
Lmao who's the immature guy now?