Chapter 20 is out.

chapter 20 of what ?

>>279723976
Haruhi Suzumiya manga

anon this volume came out in 2013

>>279725030
Yes

>>279725149

>>279725505

>>279725505
why is she easy to ragebait

>>279725812
spoiled and autistic

>>279725812
In this scene specifically she is ticked off because Kyon started defying her for a reason she didn't understand

In general. later on she becomes angry only when the brigade, Yuki, or her relationship with Kyon are threatened.
Earlier this is the reaction primarily associated with defiance, open such as in this scene, or percived such as in E8 (though in E8 she is specifically upset because Kyon started giving orders and didn't directly invite her at the end)

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>>279725505
this is literally how autists deal with frustration
why is god autistic?

i’m glad the series allows the cast to get genuinely annoyed at how retarded the other character is being and plays these situations more straight rather than just for laughs or slapstick. kyon wanting to actually punch haruhi after her constant sperging during filming was cathartic.

It seems autists project on Haruhi regularly, she isn't autistic, why she acts the way she does is made clear throughout the series

>>279723743 (OP)
Manga adaptation of the most recent novels when?

>>279730595
Perhaps never

>>279729980
I could maybe buy her being autistic with ADHD, but she flipflops between different activities far too much to be regular autistic.

And even then theres no reason to think that her behavior is a result of an underlying personality disorder, as opposed to idk, her developing an extreme form of narcissism as a result of reality itself bending to her will to keep her satisfied.

And whilst I am not familiar with the specifics of socio-emotional deficits In individuals with autism+adhd, she pretty clearly doesnt have a fundamental issue with this either, and as such there is absolutely no chance at least according to my understanding of things that she is autistic, though she could have adhd.

And the talk about Haruhi being autistic is somewhat bemusing considering how the Haruhi franchise just so happens to have another character who is textbook autistic, but shes not mentioned as much because people assume that because she isnt biologically human, she cant be autistic, when its made abundantly clear that the IDSEs interfaces are given specific personality indexes, meant to mimic normal humans, and Nagato herself said she was born without social capabilities.

Anyways hopefully this thread managed to stay up for a while, Ive been dying for some Haruhi discussion recently.

>>279731058
Yeah
Autism is characterized by a lack of social skills (it is clearly shown she can behave in accordance with norms, she just doesn't care most of the time) and hyperfixations, whitch is the opposite of her personality.

Haruhi isn't narcicistic either, she is just very callous (especially in the beginning).
She wishes for her life to matter, whitch is why she pursues the "supernatural" in the beginning (as is shown in the baseball arena memory lane), irronically she grows to find meaning in her activities with the brigade (this is very oversimplified but it's too late to be writing a haruhite essay rn).

>>279731058
>Ive been dying for some Haruhi discussion recently

That's good, so have I.
I came across an interesting topic recently, why that I NEVER see discussed on /a/ threads about Haruhi, or even formal discussion about the series as a whole, and that the Haruhi series is actually a disaster trauma story. See, Tanigawa was a survivor of the 1995 Great Hanshin Earthquake:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Hanshin_earthquake

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/322310897_A_Study_of_the_Description_of_Actual_Disaster_in_Light_Novels_A_Focus_on_the_Series_of_Haruhi_Suzumiya

The depiction of closed space in Volume 1 matches the kind of emptiness you get when a city is cleared out for an incoming disaster. And the Shinjin/Celestials are likened to such disaters, how they destroy buildings. Likewise, the Disappearance arc ties to the real grief in seeing a different world, a world where a person, especially a friend, may no longer be around, and you have to cope with the possible new world you might have to live in.

>>279732070
>too late to be writing a haruhite essay rn

It's never too late... unless you mean too late where you are currently. I'll try to keep this thread alive in that case. I hope you'll post that essay soon.

>>279732181
I cannot read Niponnese anon, though in the author notes I don't remember Tanigawa ever talking about the earthquakie.

>>279732333
And I don't see any other obvious signs of the story dealing with trauma, the story is notable for Haruhi's motivations arising from ordinary circumstances.

>>279732181
I disagree with the notion that Haruhi is about dealing with trauma or grief thematically, the closest it gets to it IMO is well, the melancholic struggles that Haruhi, Kyon and Nagato go through at various points of their arcs. Haruhi in her backstory is melancholic as a result of feeling small and insignificant in a cosmic scale, Nagato is melancholic throughout Endless eight onwards, as she feels incredibly isolated and tired, despite her strong desire to engage in normal human activities, and Kyon is melancholic in Disappearance, where he get to after many months finally live through a perfectly normal mundane life he professes to want, but feeling empty as he truly misses the Haruhi and the things she brought into his life.

But none of these things are traumatic in nature, but are instead more slow, subtle pains, that slowly creep up on you, depression, not trauma.

So Haruhi is thematically about dealing with melancholy/depression, caused by existential emptiness, boredom, loneliness, and mundanity, not about the effects of trauma and grief caused by loss.

>>279732181
That's an... interesting way to see it. I felt the dread she felt when feeling insignificant seemed different. If his inspiration was what comes after surviving a disaster of that magnitude then I can understand.
Also get your shit together firefox, you had codification solved 10 years ago

>>279732333
I'm trying to find the interview, but Tanigawa has stated that he doesn't want to be tied to grief. Disasters do happen, but we have to move on. It was an interesting interview, if I can find it again.

>>279732360
>>279732793
Yes we all know that. That is the main way to understand Haruhi and her series. But I think the disaster influence should not be ignored - Tanigawa is noted to be a survivor of the earthquake. The Kobe stadium which Haruhi attended was one of the stadiums affected by the earthquake, and I think its reference was intentional. One could say that the human contest with disasters is between something trivial against the divine. Entire religions have been created patterned around pleasing some deity in the hopes that a disaster does not break out.At the same time, Man has been working hard to prevent disaster from wrecking the civilization he has built up.
And we don't even have to go as far back at that earthquake - Noizi Ito drew Haruhi praying for the victims of the 2010 earthquake and associated Fukushima nuclear disaster. The concept of disaster, I find, is very much tied to understanding Haruhi.

>>279732070
>Haruhi isn't narcicistic either, she is just very callous

Yeah my thought process there was that self-centered behavior=narcissism, completely forgetting that narcissism is also defined by a need for admiration, which isnt really what Haruhi cares about too much at the beginning when she was at her worst, but instead just her being generally callous would of been a better way to put it.

>>279732879
The thing is, the whole needing to appease Haruhi or else she will end the world plot, has been becoming less and less relevant as the series progresses, this is even directly addressed in universe by Koizumi stating how Haruhi has been creating far less closed space recently, and also by Kyon in Day of Sagittarius asserting that even if Haruhi lost the contest, she wouldnt of created closed space.

Although saying that, thinking about it more in terms of the themes of the series evolving as it was being written, I actually think that you might actually be correct when it comes to the earlier stories pre-Disappearance, which then changed as Haruhi herself changed and grew as a person.

This became a little more obvious as I got older, but I don't think she's necessarily narcissistic or ADHD or whatever, she's just 15, and 15 year-olds tend to be assholes.

She still goes WAY over the top with Mikuru and Computer Club, no excusing it, but I doubt a 20 year-old Haruhi would be anything like that.

>>279733215
Indeed, Haruhi's desire for the supernatural fades as she finds purpose.

The logical conclusion of this would be the supernatural ceasing to exist and this allowing all the emmisary characters to be liberated from their duties as the culmination of their arcs.
I see serioud hints of this in Kimodori and Asakura's character development (outside of the brigade itself).

>>279733271
In the brigade, the first real hint of this is Kyon's threat to DITE at the end of dissaperance, leading to divided loyalties in Yuki. In the books koizumi explicitly states he's side with the brigade in a conflict between the esper agency and it (not the most subtle of Tanigawa's writing, but the anime makes Koizumi's gradual shift much more subtle) and Asahina's liberation from the strings of the time traveller organization

>>279733241
The reason I think why ADHD might make sense for her, is due to how frequently she switches from activity to activity, and seems to lack almost any bit of patience.

Admittedly, this is far from indisputable evidence of her having ADHD, and Im not saying strongly that she does have it, but if she were to have any personality disorder, ADHD would make the most sense to me.

>>279733241
Yeah, people forget how uncaring kids can be. I think it's because of the genre, they don't come expecting it and that's why they put her in the same tier as actual malicious characters who'd maim a classmate if given the opportunity.

>>279733392
I think it may be some sort of desperation. Her Disappearance self felt defeated, resentful. She was looking for that thing she was missing and felt that it was her last chance, since the weird guy she met when younger studied there, and that was about the only thing she clung on.

>>279733339
>>279733271
I've seen readers expecting more grand conflicts with bigger threats and more actors. I wonder if that disconnection between expectations and what Tanigawa wants to write is what's stopping him from writing further.

Would Haruhi have listened to SILY?

>>279733271
>>279733339
I mean this being the direction things are heading are most directly confirmed here.


“If what you say is true, I can only say that I find it fascinating.”

Is “fascinating” how you talk to people?

“No, I truly feel that way. In fact, I have my own suspicions. Your anecdote would serve to reinforce those suspicions.”

I probably didn’t have a very amused look on my face. What kind of suspicions are we talking about?

“There is a possibility of decay.”

What are you talking about?

“Suzumiya’s power. As well as Nagato’s ability to manipulate data.”

What are you trying to say? I looked at Koizumi. He still had that innocent smile on his face.

“I mentioned before Christmas that Suzumiya has been creating closed space at a less frequent pace. And accordingly, it feels that Nagato…how should I put this, her alien aura? That atmosphere about her. It has been weakening.”

“…Heh.”

“Suzumiya’s behavior is gradually approaching that of an ordinary young girl. On top of that, Nagato is seemingly distancing herself from her position as a terminal for the Data Overmind—at least, that is how it appears to me.”

Koizumi looked straight at me.

“As far as I am concerned, these changes are more than I could ever have hoped for. If Suzumiya can accept her current reality and abandon her desire to change the world, my job will more or less be done. And it would be a big help if Nagato were to become an ordinary girl in high school. As for Asahina…well, I suppose we can cope with her being a time traveler.”
And also I would say Nagato has more than just split loyalties, its more like she is now a faction within the IDSE all on her own, representing her own personal desires, which is most clearly shown by these quotes from Koizumi and Asakura respectively.

Cont.

>>279733470
I think Tanigawa is burnt out, as is the case with most authors.
It'd be a shame if the series is never finished, but I'm will be satisfied if what we have now is the extent of the series.
Dissaperance was a worthy sendoff, if it indeed will end up becoming one permanently.

>>279733558

“This is just between you and me, but there are other organizations besides the Agency trying to get close to Nagato. Right now she’s every bit as important as you and Suzumiya. Nagato is in a unique position even among her fellow humanoid interfaces, which is probably a recent development.”


“So I can’t beat you, then. Fine. All I plan to do is take action according to my own will. I learned that from Miss Nagato—where the potential for self-evolution lies. Don’t you know, Miss Kimidori? She’s no longer a mere terminal. Given that, don’t you think we can do the same thing?”

>>279733558
Yup, I found the lns aren't very subtle, but this seems to have been beneficial to the animators who used it as a guideline to make the show

>>279733623
And the show is subtlety incarnate

>>279733564
Umm, Disapperance isnt the last story?

Unless you mean anime wise, in which case whilst I do get the sentiment, I would very much like to have the rest of the stories adapted into anime form.

And as for finishing the story in general, that would obviously be great aswell, and I would gladly take on or the other.

>>279733695
Yeah, was talking about the anime, read all the lns aswell

Real I don't get it :\ >>279733241

I get very strong nostalgia pangs when thinking about Haruhi, or when listening to the BGM. I remember watching it on the sly as 10 minute segments on you tube. I saw Disappearance when it was just a camrip. I think of how I've changed, and how I've stayed the same. I spent a day in Nishinomiya, and it was really something, but the trip too gave me these pangs. I felt like I was seeing the afterimage of something that wasn't there any more. Like visiting your childhood neighborhood. All these years later, and I never found any aliens, time-travelers, or espers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVEPvj0WuZg

https://x.com/TworksOfficial/status/1930817293422141686

>>279723743 (OP)
>>279723743 (OP)
opis secretly Okabe Rintarou sending messages to the future

>>279734703
That's something I'm afraid I'll feel if I ever visit Japan — it won't be the place I once wanted to visit. That place no longer exists, and you could even say it never really did.

>>279736858
>you could even say it never really did.
Piss poor take. Shit, even.

>>279726523
She's actually very chill past Intrigues.

>>279740435
I mean, you have her reaction to Kyon's story in editor in chief, to metting Sassaki, in random numbers threats to Kyon etc.

>>279740886
She was pretty chill meeting Sasaki though. And her reaction to Kyon's story didn't strike me as unreasonable, just really focused.

>random numbers
Remind me?

>>279740947
She threatens to gnaw at Kyon's ears with her molars because he called her heavy

But yeah, she is a lot more relaxed as the story progresses

>>279729649
Haruhi plays things pretty straight, no funny SD faces, no "EEEEEEEEEEEH" pan to the sky. You might get a few exaggerated mannerisms here and there but usually for the sake of jokes rather than overwriting regular interactions

>>279740977
>She threatens to gnaw at Kyon's ears with her molars because he called her heavy
GOD I WISH THAT WERE ME
Guess I need to get around reading Intuition soon

>>279740983
Yes, one of the things that made the anime great

>>279740999

It's also one of the reasons why haruhi chan and yuki chan underpreformed

>>279740221
I could see watching in chronological order on a rewatch but I've never understood deviating from what the director intended on first watch.

Also EE should just be mandatory suffering. It's a rite of passage.

>>279741066
Disagree about Haruhi chan, it's a parody, it has to get goofy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U8-iY8dRWA

>>279741113
Comedy is an inherently inferior artform then drama, if you cannot take what is happening seriously there is little emotional torque at play, this also undermines the point of the work.

>>279741179
I agree with the general point that drama is a big part of comedy, maybe even the meat of it. But I think it's perfectly fine to go for another type of work with different rules, a more surrealist type of comedy can also work in another sense.

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>>279729649

God. Imagine how good it would feel to clock her right in her face.
Nothing too dirty, just a good, solid haymaker to knock her off her feet.

>>279741812
IMAGINE THE WEIGHT

>>279741069
Well, S2 was aired in chronological.

The broadcast order was a splint because it was uncertain whether or not S2 would ever get made, in order to have the climax be at the end.

Along with these there's also the LN order...though I've never seen anyone seriously consider it, because most people read the lns after they watch the anime.

>>279741812
They need to have sex as soon as possible.

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>>279736858
I should follow up on >>279734703: the trip was definitely worth it, and that day in particular was really somethig. It's hard to describe, but it was like I simultaneously felt that sad nostalgia feeling, but also happy. I was happy that Haruhi existed, happy that Tanigawa had set it in his hometown and that Kyoani had put so much passion into it. It made me want to make something like Haruhi, to immortalize a place. I felt like perhaps aliens and time travelers could still be somewhere around the corner, but you have to look for them.

>>279750222
Thanks Yuki!

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Keep this thread alive for a while, I need to read it

>>279759739
Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuumperino

In order to keep this thread alive a bit longer... Do you have a Haruhi hot take? I would post mine, but it's too controversial.

It's been a while since I re-watched this, and I don't think I'd noticed until now how much Koizumi tard wrangles Kyon along the way.

>>279761466
Endless Eight was a failure. Maybe a noble failure, but burning half the season on it was a colossal waste of time when the plot points AND the feeling of a long summer hopelessness could've been conveyed in three or at most four episodes.

Also, not really a hot take so much as a minor complaint, but in Season 2 Mikuru sometimes gets a Yui face.

>>279761466
The only reason Im not posting on the several topics Im interested in is because Im waiting for someone else to bring up a point of discussion that is somewhat related to them which I would then latch onto and hopefully have others join in aswell, as Ive already discussed these topics with myself at end, and I am craving for alternate minds to bounce off.

>>279741069
Airing order isn't the authors intended order though. LN order would be similarly jumbled but you'd at least get all the melancholy episodes in one actual set the way Tanigawa intended that story to be read. LN order is basically chronological order but sigh and disappearance are each pushed up. Chronological just works far better if you're taking in the whole show.

What did Kyon mean by this?
>Asahina also seemed rather pleased as she spun around in front of the fitting room mirror and examined her attire.
>"So this would be the traditional dress in this country. It's a bit tight across the chest, but it looks wonderful..."
>This was definitely one of the better costumes Haruhi had forced on her. Didn't show as much skin as the bunny outfit, and felt less exotic than the maid uniform. A costume that was perfectly safe to wear around town this time of year. Like a natural feature of summer. And she looked damn good in it. It was almost like I was looking at my sister in a summer kimono, with the exception of the unbalanced swelling above her sash. Still, if it's cute, it's all good. There was a divine aura emitting from Asahina's entire body that made you willing to forgive anything.

>>279761726
IMO 6 out of the 8 episodes are good, and are worth watching, especially as I dont believe that the sense of hopelessness is properly conveyed in just 4 episodes, and 3 episodes is absurd.

The episodes that I feel fail utterly at what the endless eight was trying to achieve are episode 3 and episode 6, as the cinematography fails at drawing you into the situation from the perspective of the characters, particularly egregious in the case of Nagato whom you cant even tell is supposed to be suffering in these episodes, contrast with how good the rest of the episodes are in that regard.

However I do agree that spending 75% of the season on endless eight was a waste, but it is difficult to see what else they could of done considering how adapting any of the stories that took place chronologically after Disappearance would be a big no-go from the perspective not giving any spoilers for Disappearance, or butchering the story by omitting things that would give spoilers.

IMO the main issue with Endless eight is a lack of season 3 making season 2 stand out like a sore thumb unnecessarily.

Is there any data of DVD sales of the two Haruhi seasons?

>>279761726
Endless eight was adopted the way it was because they got the conformation dissaperance would be adapted into a movie, giving them a lot of free space in S2.
In the end, the staff decided to make S2 memorable, while being in line with the story of complimenting the new anime finale (dissaperance)

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>>279761474
Koizumi was the biggest bro

>>279762320
>IMO the main issue with Endless eight is a lack of season 3 making season 2 stand out like a sore thumb unnecessarily.
This

>>279761726
>Yui face
lmao it almost looks like an edit

>>279768328
Well it's the same studio

>>279761726
Is that really a hot take? Are there people saying Endless Eight was good? The reviews I see of S2 almost all complain about the E8 arc.