I just finished watching this series (I usually finish things a lot later than when they aired as to watch it with a clean perspective).

Why was the ending so hated on here? Everything wrapped up nicely at least in the anime version.

>another bait thread

>>279794061


No bait, I don't get how "dude makes ultimate sacrifice and saves the world" is treated like such a bad ending.

I get that it felt weak that it ended that way because dude CHOSE that ending instead of the other heroes actually WINNING but it's not terrible.

>>279794184
The ending demands the audience to believe that a child who watched her village razed, parents killed, was mutilated, raped, hunted by dogs and then fell so profoundly in love with her barbarian assailant that it transcended time and space for 2,000 years.

yup okay it wrapped up very nicely

>>279794432


The real issue is that people on /a/ need to spend more time on /r9k/. The idea that a woman can fall for chad so hard that it negates all that badness is common knowledge over there

>>279793946 (OP)
You had to be here for the manga finale. No one here gave a fuck about the anime's ending.

>>279793946 (OP)
Anons were mad that their self-insert didn’t hook up with Historia, didn’t kill everyone, and had the nerve to show actual human emotions

>>279794845

they were upset that dude didn't wipe everyone out, even though he understands that he was going to hell to pay for all the evil things he did in life which showed he regretted his actions.

>>279794787

The anime ending literally was there to fix the poorly-received manga ending. Maybe me being an anime-only fag is why I avoid all these issues

Its actually insane how much it peaked early on and went into some fanfiction self-sabotage nonesense where every plot point and character have some CRAAAAZY twist that makes you hate them for whatever reason??? Like the author got replaced by someone after the timeskip. It feels like a completely different show that's been in production for 10 years.
Frieda-onee san is cute tho

>>279794973


I'll agree on this. I thought it was just me losing interest but the first several seasons of the anime were peak fiction (like in terms of literature, movies anywhere) then it fell apart.

That's why it's best not to let

>>279794184
>"dude makes ultimate sacrifice and saves the world"
He didn't save the world though. Did you not see the final panel/final end-credits screen? Paradis was wiped out like 70 years later, tops.

>>279795127


That was due to humans destroying themselves they had their own destiny

>>279795843
Yeah? I don't know what point you're trying to make here. Other humans still carpet bombed Paradis. Which is what Eren's whole campaign was trying to prevent.

>>279795127
Thanks Avengers

>>279794713
So this is the level of those who like the ending, huh?

>>279796153


But by not doing that he allowed civilization to continue for a bit longer and his comrades got to live out the rest of their lives

>>279793946 (OP)
primarily people mad that their ridiculous predictions they poured endless hours into didn't come true and that their waifu didn't end up with the MC

>>279794948
was the anime ending different? I never finished it

>>279795127
>he didn't save the world because eventually the world was in danger again
By this logic no anime has ever had a happy ending.

>>279793946 (OP)
The anime fixed a couple of the more egregious phrases and explained just a bit more a couple of things, the Hallucigenia actually dies on-screen instead of fucking off, but overall:
-Eren doesn't just let his mom dies, he's the actual reason of her dying by being eaten
-Reiner doesn't do anything, after all the Helios parallels
-Reiner, Annie and Gabi don't have to sacrifice anything, they walk away scott free
-The farmer was just a farmer
-Eren really thought 9 guys could stop a massive army of colossal titans
-Stupid "every shifter coming together to fight the coordinate" plot twist
-Fake out "everyone in the fort is going to become a titan"
-70% of Earth's population gone for Paradis to be flattened after a couple of decades. Not even 25%-50%, 70 PERCENT. Why just not go full annihilation at that point?
-Armin's talk no jutsu is laughably bad and doesn't actually offer any new ideas

I don't want to elaborate more, if you followed the manga, the ending was the biggest "fuck you" someone could imagine. At first I thought it was just mediocre, the more time it passes, the more I hate it, just because I used to love this series so much.

You need to have brain damage to think the ending was good

>>279796573
if you understand women this makes perfect sense

>>279796708
Holy shit, you're too fucking subhuman even for subhuman standards

>>279794713
>The real issue is that people on /a/ need to spend more time on /r9k/.
No

>>279793946 (OP)
Because /pol/. They autistically believed the story was about WW II for some reason.

>>279797222
Bro.. just stop imagining imaginary people. You dont' gotta be anything to have an opinion on this

>>279793946 (OP)
It's Eren's character assassination that ruined it for me. He could have been portrayed as a conflicted anti-hero/villain, doing what he believed was the only necessary act to erase discrimination against Eldian forever. Instead he was revealed in the very end to be just a genocidal maniac who wanted to vent off his mass killing instincts, with his "disappointment" that humanity existed beyond the wall. He even killed his mother, which was the premise in the first chapter, his core motivation to fight against foreign enemies.

The point here is that THERE WAS NO NEED WHATSOEVER TO PORTRAY HIM LIKE THAT. It was completely unnecessary. So, why?

>>279797271
you sound bluepilled

>>279794432
It's fiction.

>>279796460
>just because I used to love this series so much.
Recently I decided to rewatch the show thinking maybe I was wrong about the ending. I'd look for foreshadowing and it was really fun until I remembered how it all ends. I got completely mindbroken ngl

>>279796394
We weren't talking about the world. He was trying to save Paradis. Which he would have done if he went full 100%. Unfortunately, Isayama had a gun to his head and couldn't be allowed to let that happen. Which is why in my headcanon, it ends at Chapter 123 and he does go full 100%

>>279798068
>We weren't talking about the world. He was trying to save Paradis. Which he would have done if he went full 100%
and the worst thing about this is that isayama could've still gone for that bullshit about people killing each other by killing 100% and then having a time skip where paradis gets split into multiple factions that end up in a war with eachother. I feel like it would've, at least, drove that point across harder

>>279798131
>then having a time skip where paradis gets split into multiple factions that end up in a war with eachother.
Yeah, and that would naturally be the progression. Of course they'd have infighting for money, resources, land, power, etc. That's just human nature. But at least it'd be war for those things and not a war of extermination, which is exactly what the world got together to do against Paradis, and eventually all Eldians.
Yes, eventually war would break out for the list I just posted up above. But it would wars for the sake of the vast majority of wars throughout human history. Not just extermination of a specific group of people.
And I agree. It would drive it home if Isayama showed another timeskip of wars breaking out amongst the Eldians. But at least Eren would have protected them from OUTSIDE threats.

>>279793946 (OP)
ok so you just watched it, its all fresh in your mind
tell what was the point of this scene?

>>279793946 (OP)
I don't see the point in pretending it didn't go to shit after the story went from "dark" fantasy to poor pseudo-political satire about muh Jews/holocaust, everything after that was agony and the ending really isn't that much worse than everything the show turned into after s2

>>279793946 (OP)
It certainly had plenty of faults, but was nowhere near the utter trainwreck GoT's ending was despite the constant comparisons. The anime ending was received a lot better than the manga's from what I've seen. Probably due to a combination of hearing the manga ended badly giving people low expectations and the changes they made.

>>279793946 (OP)
>everything wrapped up nicely
t. literally 0 points in perception

>>279799834
To add to that:
>The very final chapter of the manga reveals that the protagonist could control Titans in the past at will and the only thing he does with this power is kill his own mother

>6 hours straight of watching Eren cucking himself and losing easy battles while most unlikable characters don't die for no reason
Code Geass did it much better

>>279796279


It's not about the level, it's the fact that people on here act like that type of ending is super unrealistic when if you know human nature you realize how much someone can love even with bad circumstances or glaring red flags.

Happens all the time and it isn't "bad" plot, it's realistic plot on some of the darker psychological dynamics of relationships

>>279799822


That's probably what happened. I stayed away from spoilers of the manga and just knew that people hated the ending so my expectations were low but I agree.

>>279799566


100% correct. It started out so strong and then it just went into some zionist shit and got boring.

>>279797529

I figured anime fans would understand how much IRL women actually suck hence the love of waifus, but sometimes I forget that this site is like 50%+ Reddit now.

>>279797480

Bro even said himself that he's going to burn in hell. He himself had no delusions about who he was and what he had done. He KNEW he was a POS.

>>279797222

Yeah it had similarities but not really.

>>279801594
>Bro even said himself that he's going to burn in hell. He himself had no delusions about who he was and what he had done. He KNEW he was a POS.
I'm not talking about the moral aspect here. But the absurdity of the character development, or should i say 'character revelation' at the very end. Why write him in that manner when there was no narrative reason to? There is NO WAY the author wasn't pressured into writing it like that.

>>279796153
Eren wanted to stop the Titan power from continuing to exist and he did. He also made sure his friends got to live their lives.

>>279797680
The first 3 seasons are fine, although you could watch just the first 2 seasons and also be fine, although although you could just watch season 1 only and just say the story was never followed up on and it was kino. The ending was so amazingly bad. I remember all the theories at the time the manga ending was rolling out. They were all so much better than what we got. I don't even care about the shipping wars that we're going on, especially when it came down to "one side must win so the plot isn't ass, and the other side represents shit plot." What's funny is that the EMfags "won" and were initially the only happy people, and then they released the extra pages showing the Eldians getting wiped out anyways later on and it made even them mad. Nobody enjoyed the ending, there truly was nothing left. The story has a jui jitsu like ability to render itself pointless. Even the sequel b8 at the end is pointless and I feel nothing reading it

>>279797480
People will run flak for the ending because they are unthinking dogs. The ending is irrational because we literally see Eren's private thoughts for the whole story before it. You cannot show a character's thought and view the fact he is actually just a mad cuck simp retard virgin lashing out. It doesn't work like that, and it is literally character assassination what they did to him at the very end. Textbook assassination. It's like if say Megatron was actually trying to cooperate with Optimus Prime the whole time and it was retroactively explained away as just a big ol misunderstanding. That literally makes no sense

>>279793946 (OP)
most people just didn't understand the ending because it had a weird thing where Eren was sending information back in time wth the Attack titan's power, and also some people are just mad about shipping shit. The ending was fine. If you looked at titan threads around when the manga was ending or even now, you'll see it's mostly just shipper retards.

>>279798131
This burns me to this day. If he wanted an ending showing that fighting never ended, he had it, and in a way that would have meant more. It would have actually of been a decent ending. People could have walked away with something. Instead we got the worst possible version of that kind of ending

>>279802718
You're focusing too much on the time travel and shipping; the ending itself shits over the foundation of the story, which is the well-planned forshadowing and building of events. It gives off the reader the idea that everything is connected and has a proper reason to happen, only for Isayama to throw everything away because he couldn't come up with a proper motive (can be emotional) to explain Eren's or Ymir's actions. What actually happened is that the Rumbling is too large scale for Isayama to handle, he simply couldn't write characters who would actually do such a monstrosity and instead we get these broken, meaningless shells. The other aspects: shipping, "fate" and the yeagerists, are all there simply to frustrate the reader in multiple ways. It's not even a tragedy anymore, it's just a frustration. You can't rewatch the series knowing all its themes culminate in 70% of the Earth being destroyed because... Eren wanted to? The only way I could excuse the emptiness of the ending is by assuming Isayama planned to have Eren be an allegory for the "egocentric" phase of teenagers, a psychological concept that explain why so many teens build fantasies for themselves (having super powers or saving the world) and often despise the world as a single entity trying to oppose them. But even so, I have no reason to assume Isayama actually considered this, in fact he probably never overcame this phase of his life and instead pasted the exact phenomenon described into his work.

>>279802985
>70% of the Earth being destroyed because... Eren wanted to?
Because he wanted to stop the titan power from continuing. It was all a plan he made with the other attack titans by going backward and forward through time, and what he did was the only way any of them could conceive of to make it happen. He was also able to give his friends the rest of their lives, but tacking on "also make Paradis lasts forever" would've just been too much. He did the best he could.

>>279799834
>worm disappears off-screen and is never mentioned again
oh, so I wasn't the only one bothered by that. seriously, what the hell was up with that? they don't even give us a "huh, I guess the explosion killed it" or "welp, it ran away", it's just there one moment and then gone the next.

>>279799834
Isayama also started killing a bunch of characters in increasingly contrived ways in the final arc, I assume solely because he didn't know what the fuck to do with them. Colt, Hange, Magath, Shadis, etc, I'm probably forgetting some. They died completely needless deaths for no fucking reason.

>>279803040
>Because he wanted to stop the titan power from continuing.
explain to me how any of his actions stops ymir curse in any concebible way

>>279803633
He DOES end the Ymir curse. The whole point of his character is that he's trapped in a fate he himself built using the attack titan's power to send information backwards and forwards through time. The only time he's really doing anything outside of his plan is when he's talking with Armin at the very end.

Realistically I guess it was showing her that it's possible to kill someone even if you love them, since Mikasa was able to kill him, but he engineered all of that with the Attack titan's power. It's not that complicated.

>>279803040
The story tries but never gets to that point. Turns out Eren never had the chance to look into other possible futures to assume this was the only path, the closest we get is him creating a little fanfic setting for Mikasa. The other Attack titans had no idea what was going to happen, only that they were being guided somewhere. Grisha realized this path was actually just Eren having a meltdown, he desperately asked Zeke for help. It all crumbles down when you realize his two final goals, saving his friends and ending the titan curse, could've happened WITHOUT flattening the rest of the world. Isayama distorts the story as much as he can trying to paint a bipolar picture where the rest of the planet can't possibly be reasoned with, so he attempts to create the only scenery in which a complete rumbling is necessary. Even so, Eren stopping at the naval fleet would've been more than enough, so for him to keep going, he'd need an additional motivation (specially considering the scale and brutality of it). Isayama's main mistake was never coming up with such a reason, the story ends empty because there was no possible motive for Eren to keep going; he could've painted Ymir as some evil deity manipulating him, or him losing control of the Coordinate, but it all falls flat because at that point the story is just forcing the rumbling because Isayama wanted to draw some cool panels. And the moment he decided to keep this plot thread, the story falls apart. We're lead to believe Eren: 1. Wanted his friends to become heroes by killing him, 2.
didn't care about saving millions of lives, 3. couldn't possibly see the conflict being solved without ending the world, all while his actual words are: "I... don't know why I did it..".

>>279802985
>You can't rewatch the series knowing all its themes culminate in 70% of the Earth being destroyed because... Eren wanted to?
This, my rewatch was enjoyable until I remembered how it all pans out at the end. Such a good series wasted

>>279803794
>saving his friends and ending the titan curse, could've happened WITHOUT flattening the rest of the world.
How?

>>279803773
>Realistically I guess it was showing her that it's possible to kill someone even if you love them, since Mikasa was able to kill him, but he engineered all of that with the Attack titan's power. It's not that complicated.
this is never shown explained foreshadowed or even mentioned in any way, you say its not complicated but admit at the same time you are just guessing because there is no indication of what the actual plan was for all we know ymir looking at civilians get squashed just got her wet and reminded her of her favorite rape bastard fritz fucking her people into the ground and that was enought

>>279803829
>saving his friends
Destroying the fleet would be more than enough to hinder the world's technological development; if not, the titans would be plentiful to attack strategic points. Much better than spamming titans trying to kill them and allowing yeagerists to control the island.
>ending the curse
The story doesn't make it clear how it works, if it's because of the worm or Ymir. If the latter, just separate the body from the head and kill the damn thing, although the conflict would come from Eren accepting his fate; if the latter, then you have infinite time in Paths to convince her. Unless you assume Ymir to be the most stubborn creature ever written, and whose mind would only change by having the entire world destroyed.

>>279803950
You're right, I'm assuming that the guy who can see both the past and future and send information both ways and explicitly says a few major parts of his plan had a plan and that he ultimately got what he wanted. I think it's a pretty safe assumption though.

>this is never shown explained foreshadowed or even mentioned in any way
And yet I understood it, and I think plenty of other people did. How explicitly do you need it spelled out for you? Why do YOU think Ymir suddenly stopped when Mikasa killed Eren?

>>279804139
>Why do YOU think Ymir suddenly stopped when Mikasa killed Eren?
because the author wrote himself into a corner and had no way to explain the how or why just like how eren dosent know why he killed his mom and how armin convinces zeke to kill himself with a pep talk

>>279802390


It's definitely possible. You can't write characters that justify genocide because if some crazy does something they'll blame your fictional character.

>>279804260
He didn't write himself into a corner and the ending makes sense to anyone sensible. You're just struggling with determinsim.

>eren dosent know why he killed his mom
He killed his mom because his mom was killed. It's what motivated his entire character. I know it's not the most straightforward thing in the world but it's not super complicated either. His future self sent the titan to kill his mom so that his past self would see it and become his future self and get his plan on track.

>>279794184
>dude makes ultimate sacrifice and saves the world
75% of humanity died, Paradis got bombed anyway, and the final page with the tree implies titans come back eventually.

>>279804501
>the final page with the tree implies titans come back eventually.
He didn't know that would happen, so to him yeah he made the ultimate sacrifice in order to save the world.

>>279799437
Not that anon, but to show Eren convincing Ymir to break her shackles from her slave mentality and become free.
I don't know if I answered your question because I don't know what your question was. That scene was pretty straight forward.

>>279804577
The scene doesn't seem to have much point actually, because Ymir is still bound by her "slave mentality" in her stockholm syndrome love for King Fritz, and she needs to watch Mikasa kill Eren to finally decide it's okay to not continue making Titans for Fritz.

>>279804544
>he made the ultimate sacrifice to save the world
He literally killed most of the world.

>>279804501


Better than 100% and it's not like he could prevent them all from coming back anyway. It's like Zelda how Gannon can never be killed just sealed away for a future generation to deal with. It also allows them to continue the story in 5-6 years time with new characters and a new setting since the old one was destroyed

>>279804494

It's like if Batman could time travel and sent the robber to shoot his parents to inspire him to go down the path. It's fucked up but it makes sense.

>>279804655
>because Ymir is still bound by her "slave mentality" in her stockholm syndrome love for King Fritz
That scene specifically shows her breaking that Stockholm Syndrome slave mentality. She lent Eren the Founding's power, in spite of her slave hold to Fritz. She went with Eren, who offered her compassion vs Zeke, who just viewed her as a slave like Fritz did. She just stood on the side lines and watched it all play out.
In that panel where she's hanging out behind Mikasa as Mikasa is hugging Eren's head, she's smiling because Eren was the only one to be nice to her and she was reflecting on that.

>>279804807
How is it better than 100%? 100% at least ensures no one retaliates against Paradis. Killing 75% of the world has no point to it at all.

Isayama chickened out on the kino ending that could have been. This started the cycle of manga endings going against the plot and going bad

>>279805008


Killing off all humanity would mean the end of civilization. Wiping out 75% means they can start over.

>>279803446
>Shadis
the more I think about this trainwreck the worse it gets
this motherfucker let his students beat him up and told others to endure it because he didnt want them to get hurt and the next time we see him he blows up a train with his fucking students
200 iq

>>279805092
No it wouldn't retard. It would be the end of OUTSIDE civilization. Paradis is it's own civilization

>>279805092
>Killing off all humanity would mean the end of civilization.
Except for, you know, that little island known as Paradis.

>ruined Eren
>ruined Armin
>ruined Mikasa
>ruined Ymir
>ruined the only good thing about the anime (the first episode)
>solved nothing

>>279793946 (OP)
AOT was never that good and it's funny to watch anons cope that it was just the ending that was bad. Season 1 was a cycle of backstory into immediate death that made it so painfully unengaging I cringe anytime people compare it to the early seasons of AGOT, 'anyone can diiiie!' Nah. The main characters were all plot armored, everyone else only got development just before dying.
Not to mention the entire episodes of Erin just screaming or Armin being an insufferable bitch.

>>279805151

So the outside world shouldn't be allowed to continue? Only killing 75% of them and not 100% of them was a sign of mercy.

>>279805185

At least Hange got a good ending

>>279805487
>At least Hange got a good ending
Not really. Her death was the most awkward "Uhh I want a character to die a noble death" I've ever seen in fiction, and I actually liked the ending. That part was like undeniably bad.

>>279805487
>Only killing 75% of them and not 100% of them was a sign of mercy.
Why even kill 75% to begin with if you have no interest of stopping the world from attacking Paradis? Why even start the rumbling?

>>279805653


Eh, SOMEONE had to stay behind and buy time for them to get on the plane but yeah you're right lowkey I agree with the person that said something like "too many characters are still alive who can we kill".

>>279804853
>In that panel where she's hanging out behind Mikasa as Mikasa is hugging Eren's head, she's smiling because Eren was the only one to be nice to her and she was reflecting on that.

>no STANDING HERE, I REALIZE final fistfight between BITCHren and JOBner
Into the trash it goes

>>279805822
Those titans just weren't the kind of threat you could credibly "buy time" against in my mind. They were mindless suicidal machines on a march, they wouldn't stop and be distracted by her, they'd just press through and try to keep stomping on shit.

>>279805807


They didn't do a great job explaining this but I assume Erin was initially irrational at first thinking he needed to wipe them out, then he figured he could just wipe most of them out to save Paradis and that would at least buy some time.

>>279805850

Completely fair take. On initial viewing I just saw it as someone had to buy time because they were all initially fighting to be the one who would stay behind.

So many fucking good things in this manga only to be negated by the absolute shit ending

>>279795127
That's plenty of time for his friends to enjoy freedom. I'm pretty sure he was fighting for them, not for Paradis, once he realized his own fate was immutable.

>>279806124
>I'm pretty sure he was fighting for them, not for Paradis,
Did you miss this panel? It's kind of an extremely iconic and significant one.

>>279806004
What do you mean irrational? He had 4 years to think this through. There were other plans that could've bought some time without involving the deaths of billions and Eren rejected them in favor of a permanent solution.

>>279806202
That proves nothing. He knew he'd felled by his allies. He knew that would paint them as heroes. Obviously he wasn't going to announce to all eldians "hey guys I'm just pretending to destroy the whole world, I'm sure some of you (likely my closest friends) are going to stop me and that might or might not lead to some sort of diplomacy with the drastically weakened nations of the world, despite conflict being inevitable and it being very probable that another war will breakout within the next century, possibly eradicating our entire race despite everything, but I don't care because my friends will probably be dead by then and at this point I don't particularly care about you any more than I care about Marley".

>>279793946 (OP)
The manga turned into an incel power fantasy manga. There is literally no diference between chudren and Eric Harris or Dylan Klebold. Basically Naruto but what if Kishimoto loved and hated the united states but nippon ichi but muh race of quadrillion folded katanas square watermelons...nope the world must suffer because nippon ichi no more.

>>279806441
No, you don't understand. Due to his future memories, he walked through every scenario to make sure his friends had the happiest life. But his main goal was to protect his people and the island of Paradis. The only scenario he found where he thought he could accomplish both is the 80% plan where he dies, which he ended up doing. Problem is, his future memories stop when the Attack Titan disappears so he couldn't see anything past when the power of the Titans was erased. So he gambled that going 80% would level the playing field for Paradis' military power vs. the rest of the world, and his friends would all live long, healthy lives.
Well, his friends enjoyed the small peace before dying of old age, but Paradis was bombed ~70 years later. Eren couldn't foresee that with his future memories. It was a gamble. He was hoping Paradis could build up the military to protect themselves and the world wouldn't hate Eldians anymore because the Titan power is gone. He was wrong.

>>279806204

The toughest decisions require the strongest of wills. It's funny how in Avengers people thought Thanos was right for killing 50% of the universe but people are acting like Erin stepped out of line for killing 75% because he thought it was the only way to save what was precious to him.

>>279806535

Nothing wrong with incel power fantasies. Most harem anime is basically incel wish fulfillment.

>>279797565
Oh ok then.

>>279794184
>>No bait, I don't get how "dude makes ultimate sacrifice and saves the world" is treated like such a bad ending.
>
>I get that it felt weak that it ended that way because dude CHOSE that ending instead of the other heroes actually WINNING but it's not terrible.
because the only actual actions that make sense storywise are genocide, it's what has been built up to, it's the only thing that makes sense from the characters perspective and the whole "I manipulated things so that you would stop me" is completely fucking retarded.
Did you pay any atttention at all? None of what happened makes sense from an emotional, storytelling or character perspective.

It went downhill when suddenly you have omnipotence plot where MC can be god by controlling the past outcome baka. Everything just felt like a asspull from there

>>279806754
>Erin stepped out of line for killing 75% because he thought it was the only way to save what was precious to him
Why do you think he thought it was the only way? Again, he had 4 years to think this through. He could've used the threat of rumbling as a deterrent. He could've used the rumbling to destroy other nations' military forces. He could've worked with the Azumabito family. He could've gone with the euthanasia plan. All of those would've been good enough if the ONLY thing he cared about was to protect his friends, but he went straight to genocide to protect Paradis... and then backed out, Paradis got wiped off the map, and most of the world died for no reason.

>>279796394
Yes, even in a "happily ever after" story if you think about it they will probably die eventually but most stories don't show that and don't have a "and than they got genocided anyway" epilogue. It just makes it all feel like a shaggy dog story. Now maybe explicitly showing the pointlessness of it was an artistic choice, but it's still one.

>>279806754
>Nothing wrong with incel power fantasies. Most harem anime is basically incel wish fulfillment.
Do you eat shit?

>>279793946 (OP)
>this shit again
Eren had to watch Mikasa get HORSED for 10 years at least as a bird
>TATACAW TATACAW
kek stupid cuck

>>279801027
Lulu is so handsome

>>279798131
IF AnR's interpretation was true than at least until Eren's old age Paradis would have thrived.
We can say that in the far future there would be another war, but IF that was the original vision and there was no intention to show a foreshadow, I can see why he would be forced to change it.

>>279795127
More like 100-150years later but w/e

>>279809085
that was in anime from the webms I saw here. it clearly wasn't more than 80 years in manga.

>>279798131
YES YES, I'VE BEEN SAYING THAT FOR A DECADE OR HOWEVER LONG!
Let Paradis won and eventually self destruct from the inside with a nuclear war and what not

>>279807201


Right like the ultimate power that erin had is why it fell apart because it just leads to questioning why he didn't do things in a better way

>>279809310
He had to die and he had to do something to make Mikasa kill him.

>>279808893
>IF AnR's interpretation
What's this? I don't understand your abbreviation

But you know what anons?
I miss those threads, I remember that they were pure hell but reading and theorizing SnK will always have a special in my heart.
Every month was a trip, whatever good or bad.
I'm glad it's over because after 8 years I was getting tired of it, but I do miss that thrill.

>>279809953
Those threads were so fun, I will always remember the thread about the last chapter. It was so sad yet so funny

>>279809936
In case you are new I'll spoonfeed you:
>Akatsuki no Requiem
This was the credit song for season 3, a special video of the complete version was published long ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrQ0zZArUV8
In the beginning no one really thought anything of it until the one who created the visual said that it was connected to the ending.
From then on theory started and pic related was the interpretion many reached, which would align with the original final page teased a year and half before the ending was published.

>>279805132
that scene where shadis and magath both decide to suicide bomb the fucking boat lives rent-free in my head.
>hey bro, you here to kill yourself? yeah cool, me too, let's do it

>>279810127
Thanks anon, I remember people talking about this when manga was still ongoing. I completely forgot about this

>>279809953


Lowkey the discussions on here are almost more fun than consuming the actual medium. It's why I will always watch something seasonal even while working through my backlog

>>279793946 (OP)
>Why was the ending so hated on here?
Because some people unironically agreed with Eren instance on genociding billions of people.

>>279793946 (OP)
people of /a/ self inserted as the genocidal jew and were mad when he actually pulled out of it.

>>279795127
the implication is that it was much later. cycles and history repeating itself were themes of the story.
i don't even think it was a great ending at all but some people can't even see the fucking obvious

>>279810872
>but some people can't even see the fucking obvious
What obvious thing is meant to be left to the readers to understand?

>>279804000
The whole time limit thing was always retarded since why wouldn’t they just try to usurp Ymir and then take the power for themselves thus allowing there to be more time? I mean what the fuck? The thing can alter time and space but can’t fix a simple time limit issue?

>>279794184
>No bait
It is.
This same kind of thread about how you've only just watched the anime and things like that has been repeated many times. You can't convince me that you're not the same person repeating it over and over again.

>>279793946 (OP)
he cried in an interview because his ending was bad

>>279810673

I think the creator of the show got death threats to change the ending which is why it kind of seems "sloppy". You couldn't have such a popular story justifying genocide especially with some of the symbolism in the show

>>279812476
>You couldn't have such a popular story justifying genocide especially with some of the symbolism in the show
Why not?

>>279812100
What time limit? The curse of Ymir, meaning Eren only had 4 years left to live? You're question why Eren didn't change that rule with his newfound powers?

>>279810872

Yeah plus he could see all the endings and picked the one where his friends could live out their lives. I assume the magical ending where everyone lives and no one dies wasn't an option

>>279812848

Same reason they retconned the Joker and had him get sodomized. They can't give chuds that much hope so they do that nonsense. Plus with the WW2 allegories you can't have something perceived as being potentially against a certain protected group.

Like look at even haram anime, it's ridiculed because it appeals to low value men

>>279793946 (OP)
>>279794184
Because you never truly understood how Eren's character got murdered in the ending.

APOLOGIZE TO HIM RIGHT NOW. HE COULD HAVE SAVED US ALL FROM THE STUPID ENDING.

>>279813200

I assume he let himself get killed?

>>279793946 (OP)
>"ELDIANS BAD! SO FUCKING BAD! BECAUSE THEY DID SOMETING 2000 YEARS AGO!!!"

*genocide happens*

>"UwU, Eldians are so kind. They saved 20% of us from one of them which proved that they were dangerious but we are now kind people even though we were mad previously for something we did not experience but are kind after living through hell"

>NOOOO MUH HISTORIA WILL BE TURNED INTO A TITAN!!!!
>NOOOOO, HOW DARE YOU SUGGEST TO BREED CHILDREN FOR HISTORIA?!
>I HAD TO CHOOSE BETWEEN HISTORIA OR GENOCIDE!!

*turns out Eren knew Eldian curse will disappear so Historia was never in danger*

*turns out Eren is the one who forces Historia to breed for his plan or something*

*Historia really was just a friend to him in the end, yet for some reason he was trying to kill his other friends and genocide the world for Historia"

"Historia or genocide"

>>279809085
As the other anon said, it was ~70 years.. WWI-tier tech to the invention of the B2 bombers was 71 years.

>>279813171
>Like look at even haram anime, it's ridiculed because it appeals to low value men
Who's ridiculing it?

>>279814719


Those guys on Trash Takes, more "mainstream" people in the anime industry, women, people on Twitter etc.

>>279794184
The main problem is how contrived everything after the time skip was and it only got worse as the story got closer to the end, Falco not only getting a bird form titan and being able to control it instantly and Eren's head being inside his titan's mouth for example

>>279815032
>and Eren's head being inside his titan's mouth for example
Makes more sense for him to be in the nape, right?

>>279813336
I fucking kneel forever. The only saving grace from that ending was that it proved Flochads were right all along.

>>279793946 (OP)
It's 100% the NTR

>>279793946 (OP)

It´s not JUST the ending. It´s everything after the basement. The hate is deserved. Years of build up into the gutter. It´s really the game of thrones of anime.

>>279793946 (OP)
The ending was horrible but I don't really understand the backlash either.
The series became irredeemable garbage long before the ending. The last 10% of AoT was a total trainwreck. If you actually expected quality writing out of the ending you must have been huffing the heaviest grade copium around - delusionmaxxing, if you will.

>>279815130
Yes

Mikasa is a cute!

>>279815413
>The series became irredeemable garbage long before the ending.
Like when? After the basement?

>>279814109
One of the funniest manga pages in history

>>279815413


Yeah I found the those last seasons boring af Im glad it wasn't just me aging out of anime

damn this series ending is literally like a bell curve of understanding women lmao.

>>279816404


This but unironically. It's a very redpilled ending and most anime fans are bluepilled even though anime is VERY redpilled in general

>>279793946 (OP)
The author set things up so that genocide was the absolute singular and only answer to the solution of the story, set out on that path, and then turned it into some kind of weird determinism timeloop mindfuck clusterfuck to make it so Eren wasn't such a bad guy after all despite still being a bad guy. Even a simple Code Geass I will force myself to become the villain to unite humanity ending would have been better than "I need to see it through so the everpresent outside of the universe loli abuse victim whore can see she was in love with a shitheel and break the magic curse caused by a primordial worm thing because I exist on multiple planes of the timeline at once due to some stupid timeloop power that doesn't really have any major connective tissue to my ability set but fuck it"

>>279817010


They likely were going to just have a massive genocide but creator got death threats and so he had to change it

>>279817774
I'd wager editor meddling more than fan reaction, but it definitely feels like it got changed forcibly. The series was never going to end on a high note, but it could have at least been a fun trainwreck instead of the utter puddle of shit we got.

>>279815171
>>279813336
Of course we are, we are just logical and understand what happens if you do something quarter assed.

>>279794184
>>279794432
>>279794845
>>279795127
>>279797480
>>279798068
>>279798131
>>279807185
You guys need to read Dune. It delivers on the exact ending you want, Paul Atreides wages a holy war on the galaxy, killing trillions, because he has no other path, as he can see all futures. Then he refuses to go further to pursue the golden path, but his son Keto eventually dies.
AoT is just a shitty copy of Dune.

>>279806697
His main goal was to enact the rumbling and see that "scenery" from his memories.

>>279793946 (OP)
>"people" still seething at the ending
>when it was telegraphed as far back as rts
Alright here’s a reminder because some of you really need to understand it. Isayama was never fucking tricking you, or playing 4D chess or whatever. If you expected some M Night shit where Jean/mikasa/ymir would betray the alliance or Eren/wormkun murdered them all, you should've stopped right there. You set yourself up for disappointment. The story went and ended exactly how it was being presented. with he alliance confronting Eren and defeating him. Some die(hange), and now in the aftermath of Eren’s defeat a “miracle of peace” will be established between Paradis and Marley/the world, despite the fact both sides are still on a path of mutually assured destruction. Like Isayama foreshadowed with Kenny and Uri. If you hate the ending and pushed yourself forward in the hope of kino genocide ending, let yourself know that the only one to blame here is YOU. There was never salvation waiting for you at the end.

>>279794184
I mean
Marley was a society where fat, grinning racists fed little girls to pit-bulls
It used an ethnic group as suicide bombers
It kept thousands of people in ghettos, and their treatment elsewhere was even worse
What about that was worth preserving?

>>279818965
Killing eldcucks is based, the only problem of marley is not killing them all

>>279818828
You're missing the point. Plenty of people thought that might happen, but the way it played out and was presented in the mange was fucking retarded.

>>279818828
>a “miracle of peace” will be established between Paradis and Marley/the world, despite the fact both sides are still on a path of mutually assured destruction. Like Isayama foreshadowed with Kenny and Uri.
What made Kenny and Uri friends was compassion shown by Uri. Neither of them were stuck on a path of mutually assured destruction after that, Kenny even got perks from being friends with him. Then Uri died sacrificing himself to his niece, with Kenny having no involvement in his death.

>>279818828
>now in the aftermath of Eren’s defeat a “miracle of peace” will be established between Paradis and Marley/the world, despite the fact both sides are still on a path of mutually assured destruction.
Just like Karl Fritz's temporary Paradise. Some things never change. Why can't the new generation surpass the failures of the old?

>>279818654


Never heard this before. Although I've heard people say Dune is just a copy of Starwars, so really AoT is just a bad Star Wars

>>279821102
It's the other way around, star wars is a copy of dune

>>279813336
The writing was on the wall the moment he was on Eren's side, considering he was a sniveling strawman from the start.

>>279821102
>This 1960s novel is a copy of this 1970s film
What did retard-kun mean by this?

>>279822972
Frank Herbert used the paths to steal ideas from future fiction.

>>279793946 (OP)
>Why was the ending so hated on here? Everything wrapped up nicely at least in the anime version.

I’d rather believe schizos who read this shit monthly for years saying this has a terrible ending than zoomers who just binged watched it and said it had a good ending

>>279823046
On some Lisan al Gaib type shit

>>279794184
The story post basement reveal as a whole was dumb. Shonenshit trying to be deep. Would’ve been better to just stay in it’s lane.

>>279803040
>Because he wanted to stop the titan power from continuing
>I'll genocide the whole world just to show some girl that she should stop living in the past
This kind of exaggerated schizo scenario bullshit only works in trainwreck shows that are not meant to be taken seriously.

>>279803446
>Magath, Shadis, etc, I'm probably forgetting some. They died completely needless deaths for no fucking reason.
They got brought back when they should have been written off long before for no reason too.

>>279794184
the main cast turned into the avengers betraying everyone in order to save the enemy and suddenly we're told eren did everything for mikasa when it was clear he fucking hated her guts once she started acting like his mother, he never did anything with mikasa in mind and never had any romantic feelings for her throughout the whole story.

>>279804260
>how armin convinces zeke to kill himself with a pep talk
For a moralfag character, no less. I'm so keking. Erwin should have been saved over Amrin during the Serumbowl, not because Erwin was a better asset to the military, but because Armin being the writer's pet is just so damn annoying.

>>279805132
He was also okay with Annie being set free...for reasons? So she could kill more people with no remorse?

>>279806697
>so he couldn't see anything past when the power of the Titans was erased
The power of the Titans never disappears for good, so...

>>279810192
kek what a shitshow

>>279814719
Everyone. It’s the basest form of wish fulfillment. Which can be refreshing every now and then, but at the end of the day, it’s ludicrous and embarrassing.

>>279796708
Unironically true.

>>279818654
I've read Dune, at least the first book. That's why AoT's ending was disappointing. No payoff. If you have killed 5 billion people what does 1 or 2 more billion matter? That way seeing Paradis still be a shit hole and having in fighting decades later would hit like a truck

>>279793946 (OP)
>barge into a house with a family of 5
>kill 4 of them
>little timmy survives and thanks be for sparing his life
>town praises me as a hero because I stopped myself and only killed 4 people instead of 5
thats literally the ending its pants on head retarded and thats the base premise without going into the plotholes, dropped plot points, character assassinations and all the other bullshit we got

I WILL BE FUCKING YMIR NOW.

>>279825366

>>279793946 (OP)
I'm having trouble deciding whether this or Ichiruki was worse hetbait. It seemed like people shipped IR just because they were close friends without any connection to the larger plot, but with EH it's because their relationship would have tied in nicely with the ending and her pregnancy whether Eren "won" or not. The outcome of her pregnancy plotline cheated everyone out of a good story with a satisfying emotional conclusion for Eren, even if it just meant having his legacy and sacrifice live on in one unburdened child. Instead we just got cuck bird, and that's sad.

>>279818654
Dune was even worse. Paul was just like Eren in that he didn't want to do the Rumbling but the Fremen do it anyway for shits and gigs, it's a pattern, Isayama and Herbert were foreshadowing things in a story that were slowly building up to it not happening, but then it would've been anticlimatic so you have to do it anyway
>>279821102
Dune came before Star Wars and AOT basically an anime version of the Prequel trilogy(Anakin as Eren, Obi Wan as Armin, Palpatine as the King guy/Zeke/IDK)

>>279818654
I think it's you who didn't read Dune. The foreshadowing for Paul's actions, (which by the way he wasn't completely accountable for) were present since the first book. In SnK case the author just showed a new side of Eren at the very last moment, which doesn't make any fucking sense and it was completely unnecessary.

>>279804371
I think there were plenty of ways author could have condemned Eren's actions, without going to that extreme.

>>279825498
That's how it should have ended

>>279797480
The problem isn't all that happening to Eren's character. Honestly it is pretty consistent up to the last few chapters, him talking about being "free" etc and doing what he thinks is right, whether it's him chimping out or not doesn't make much difference. A lot of big moves in history had very personal motivations so whatever.
The problem is he was never free and he never chose any of it. He saw it all in a vision right before timeskip and went through the motions for years and years to pull off the most contrived solution possible. There was no attempt to find a better solution, no attempt to even see if the future he saw could be changed, no attempt to see if there were any other way to permanently get rid of titans... and we also didn't know all this would permanently get rid of titans until the last 3 chapters. The whole time he acts like he knows what he is doing this guy is completely chained to causality and completely cucked of any agency at all despite essentially making himself the villain.

>>279825366
You're forgetting the part that actually makes it insane
>murdering little timmy's family is completely incidental and doesn't actually do anything
>it's actually so some metaphysical genetic time ghost will see it all go down and decide it should cure cancer

>>279818654
No, Paul sees one and only one route other then golden path or everyone dying, a mystery option, then his son is born and it turns out that route was his son golden pathing even harder
It was never implied to be deterministic and Paul never suddenly changed as a character
Also it’s Leto 2, the 3rd Leto

>>279796153
The alternative was the complete and permanent extinction of the Eldians. Even if Paradis gets messed up decades in the future, the Eldians as a people will survive.

If Eren had done nothing, Marley would've destroyed Paradis in less than a decade, when Titans became obsolete.

this was the last good chapter

I stopped watching and lost interest after Eren turned into a titan, if I pick it up again should I stop at a certain point or just go all the way to to the end? I heard there is a point in the basement or something where everything after sucks, is that true?

>>279831893
Don't read this unless you have literally nothing better to do. It's legitimately a waste of your time.

>>279825366
You didn't stop at 4, your friend stopped you by killing you, your friend is considered a hero for stopping you and you go down as a villan for killing 4 people, you used to be a hero just like your friend but you became a villan/murderer so he had to kill you

>>279793946 (OP)
I shit you not, people thought Eren was going to actual kill his friend and succeed because they projected their incel rage on him. There's still some people still think it was a conspiracy and the incel ending was changed

>>279809953
/a/ is lesser for the passing of /snk/

>>279831791
What emotion is that face supposed to convey?

>>279831154
Paul pussied out of the Golden Path and his own son calls him a faggot for it

>>279822931
>considering he was a sniveling strawman from the start.
A strawman of what?

>>279833193
Obscure Japanese-only emotional concept called "child rape"

>>279832829
for every other country that survived it wont matter that eldians stopped it, it only matters that they did it in the first place
thats how humanity works kiddo

>>279793946 (OP)
Im surprised a lot of women liked the ending, as if a little girl getting tortured and raped by a tyrant would fall in love with him. Its not even a woman moment because fritz has no redeeming qualities compared to other popular villians. I would have CLAPPED if its the avengers traveled back in time to kill fritz off and prevented the entire shitshow

Annie Annie Annie Annie Annie Annie Annie Annie Annie

>>279833193
THE REALISATION

>>279817774
At least in the beginning, the editors were the one talking how they were satisfied with the ending, it was clear that something went wrong behind the scenes.

>>279831154
>>279833207
Also, didn't more people than necessary die because Paul refused to see it through and left it all to Leto II?

>>279823098
The theories back then were insane. Every panel, every face, every word were analized, could a binge reader ever notice what an entire community discussed every single month?
In fact the wine plot twist was predicted many months before, everyone accepted the theory to the point that when it was revealed a lot went like: "oh wait, they still had to confirm it?"

>>279825840
Well, the only reason many thought Eren could come out alive from it was because of pic related. Otherwise everyone expected him to die after the rumbling.

I rabu piku!

>>279795127
>no one has ever saved anything because heat death if the universe will happen eventually
this is how retarded you sound, shut the fuck up

>>279832829
then little timmy grows up and kills your friend

>>279836458
>save your country forever
>or just for 70 years after killing 80% of the world's population
That's how fucking retarded you sound. Those were his options and he chose the latter. Shut the fuck up you dumb mother fucker.

>>279819745
>it's based saar
Never reply to me again Rakesh.

>>279818828
>despite the fact both sides are still on a path of mutually assured destruction.
But Eren took the nukes away from his side.

>>279835112
The realization of what?

she was cute

>>279836231
I rabu pikunnie

>>279794184
I don't miss the EHfags, I don't miss the Flochfags, I don't miss the Connorfags, I don't miss the pedo, I don't miss the CONSTANT ship wars, I don't miss the Mikasafags, I don't miss the smug retarded EMfags I just miss the anons

Best theories?

>>279793946 (OP)
The backlash that MHA suffered was worse and more unfair. They hated the ending simply because it didn't fulfill their headcanon fantasies.
>Why the hero of this manga that criticizes heroes who only think about power and fame not end up as the most famous and powerful hero of all? How dare he not marry the heroine and have millions of babies? Is he a cuck?
I don't know if the opinion today is more positive, tho.

>>279841701
Didn't they get more chapters after that to make dekek look better?

>>279841732
There was an epilogue but it essentially didn't change anything. Deku remained powerless, acting as a teacher and single. If the audience thinks it made him look better then that just proves that the previous complaints were indeed driven by headcanon expectations. No wonder the Japanese (who loved the ending) didn't understand the cMcDonald's memes. Only in America is being a teacher a bad thing.

>>279842145
My favorite moments in /a/ is when I see the breakdowns of people who self-insert into MCs and make headcanons based on how they would act. I hope all manga authors would give ""cuck"" endings to all famous shonen MCs. It's really annoying how they thing their favorites characters are the best cause they win all time despite being mostly boring.

I still rabu SnK.
EH too.

>Art book with an extra story announced
>SO MANY characters with stories that could have been expanded on like Dog kid from the future, Karl the cuck, the original king fritz, Armin and friends in the future
>Levi gets it instead, after already having an episode AND an ova about his origins and it's about why he holds tea like an autist

>>279842616
Fujos are... strong...

team summer sale
>think about buying AOT2
>the combat is nice, I get to interact with the background characters like Kitz and Daz and see sides of them the anime/manga didn't show
>having fun with my OC
>realize most of these soldiers in the game die to Zeke's boulders or are killed in multiple gruesome, agonizing ways in season 4
>Our OCs are either dead or MIA
>If they're dead then not only did we die just so our comrades could side with our indirect murderers, but we're being eaten by distant relatives who got turned into monsters for shits and giggles
>if we're alive we get to find out that we're a race called Eldians that the world HATES so much that their first instinct when they see a little Eldian girl is to feed her to dogs
>to reiterate, the outside world hates us Eldians so much that they family bond by feeding a little eldian girl to dogs, and your fellow cadet-mates take their side
Honestly, I'd either retire or just transfer to the military police and occupy some hick village on the other side of Paradis.

>>279842460
The worst part is that this type of behavior has become common in any media.

Bring me Historia's handwriting.

>>279802597
pretty sure it still exists, hence the giant tree that group from where he was buried. someone just needs to walk in, maybe a boy and his dog

>>279806045
Where's the simple explanation for this?

>>279845081

This thread brings back so many shitty memories... Can someone post that stupid pasta that used to be posted again and again? The "minna" pasta that predicted, to everyone's dismay, the survey corpse and the warriors joining to stop Eren?

>>279845638
Armin: Minna, follow me! FOR EVERYONE'S FUTURE!

Annie: blushes

Jean: Get a room you two

Magath: This little man... those eyes...that hope in his eyes... maybe he is everyone's hope

Keith:... Your are Marley's commander, right? Who would have thought we would be fighting together, heh

Magath: Yeah, it's weird. I'm a little too old for all this fighting

Keith: ha! Don't underestimate the old folks! Looks like we are going to be good friends

Magath: When everything ends let's go get some drinks

Jean: YEAH!

Yelena: Thanks for saving me, Onyankopon... heh who would have thought Eren was going to betray me

Onyankopon: It's okay, FOR THE FUTURE!

Pieck: Move on, Zeke.

Connie: I swear you are slow...

Zeke: haha sorry guys.

Levi: You fucking piece of shit, don't think I will forgive yo-

Zeke: Levi, my friend, I heard you the first 35 times

Levi: SHUT UP

Zeke: NO YOU SHUT UP

Levi: NO YOU

Zeke: NO YOU

Hange: *sigh* You are like children

Armin: haha guys...

*Reiner, Gabi, Falco grab their hands*

Kaya: You can do it, sister!

Gabi: Leave it to me!

Onyankopon: WE ARE ARRIVING GUYS, GRAB ON TIGHT

*Mikasa's close eye*

Mikasa: Eren... This world is cruel... *looking at her group* and beautiful.

*flying towards Erensaurus*
Meanwhile, Eren

Eren: Looks like they are arriving. My friends... Mikasa... Armin... I'm sorry I have to push you away. Historia... I'm sorry we won't be together... take care of our... *panel of Historia's belly*

*big letters for the last page "EVERYONE UNITED FOR THEIR LIVES!! UNTHINKABLE ALLIANCE!! CAN THEY DEFEAT HIM?? HISTORIA? EREN? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN????"

Holy giga KEK.... people who read/watched it all at once can never understand how it felt to see this abomination come true, month by month. Never again there will ever be such a fall from grace for a series such as this.

>>279793946 (OP)
>Eren why did you do it?
>I wanted to protect Paradis
>nevermind, I just wanted to save my friends
>nevermind, I wanted to see THAT scenery
>actually I dont know why I did it
>and I wouldnt have done it if Mikasa had put out

>I did it for my friends
Why not just do the sterilization plan?
Why give the freedom to stop him saying he doesn't even know if they'll survive?

>>279814010
Why did he tell Historia a different plan when his plan all along was a Code Geass ending? Dude stressed her out for no reason

>>279847576
He's just a mentally ill piece of shit who should have gone to therapy. Moral of the story.

>>279847527
Umm, Eren likes babies and he's an idiot.

>>279831893


I agree, the Zeke wine plotpoint was the last decent part of that show. I finished it to say that I did

How different was the anime? I hated the ending of the manga because the genocide plan was deliberately carried out on a random number like 30% or something and their people were killed anyway in the future.

>>279848434
I think all of that still happens but Armin no longer says "thanks for killing all those fuckers for us" to Eren.

FARMER FUCKED PISSU

Has this theory ever being debunked?

>>279851314
wasn't it theorized that one his assistans did it?
But no, no one really knows who did it, but surely not him since the anatomy is actually consistent

>>279851356
Would an assistant really take that much of a risk and have isym211 as a username? It could something he was working on longer than the time he usually took to deliver a new chapter, that could explain why it has better anatomy.

Hitch is made for Annie. I want a doujinshi where Annie visits Hitch again and they end up having lesbian sex, Armin appears and sees it happening but gets cucked out.

>>279851314
yeah it was debunked, the artist kinoko had a whole pixiv account. it doesn't even look like isayama's messy sketchy style
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/43318077

>>279810127
This shitty theory so shit. Anrcucks are retarded

>>279851528
Wasn't the 211 account deleted? Is that supposed to be the same artist? Hmm I will have to find it again.

I KNEEL
I SQUEAL
MY HEADCANON ISNT
REAL

I COPE
I MOPE
SOMEONE HAND ME A ROPE

I SIN
I NEVER WIN
I BELONG IN THE TRASH BIN

I JOB
IM A SLOB
IM TOO SHORT
TO REACH THE DOORKNOB

I SMELL LIKE A TRASH BAG
MY WAIFU WITH A ARMINCHAD
I AM... BERUANUS-FAT!

>>279851577
yes the original account was deleted, but these are reuploaded arts from their account. here's another one:
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/48144872
if you'll notice their brush strokes look very different in the above manga vs 211 comparisons (while they do a good job of copying isayama's facial expressions and character models) because the 211 doujin artist drew with a tablet and isayama draws on paper

>>279851579
Kek you're still at it. I wonder if that was you.

Sex with Lynne

>>279851618
I see, it's fun to think about though.
He's pretty good at imitating other famous manga, an arminfag might enjoy this pic.

>>279851680
yep, it's fun. unfortunately the only titillating aspects isayama actually enjoys are gay

Eren could be happy with Mina

>>279851839
Who? The girl who got eated in 10 seconds?

>>279851939
*eaten

>>279851725
Why is Annie so short there?

>>279852208
She was stuck in the crystal and didn't grow taller on top of being a womanlet in the first place.

>>279852233
Girls have their growth spurt before boys on average. At 16 yo they already reach their max height. She's just short.

>>279852530
I thought she was a bit younger than that. She really is just 2 inches above dwarf height.

>>279802718
You have to have brain damage in order to "understand" the ending because there is nothing to understand. I guess in a meta sense you can understand what is being poorly communicated to you, but the end has nothing to do with the entire story that came before it, thus the massive discontent amongst the fanbase. You may just have room temp IQ anon, which unironically I assume would help you appreciate and rationalize the ending. To anyone else they will innately understand that the ending is an offense to art itself

>>279805018
There is that one fan manga trying to rewrite the ending which more or less tries to execute at least some of the good fan theories that were going around at the time. It's called like AOT no Requiem or something? I dunno if they are still doing it though

just saw this faggot's retarded mug on the main page and was reminded how fucking dogshit the ending was, thanks a lot

>>279815413
A good ending can make up for a chaotic last 10%. Unfortunately the ending we got made us wish for more of that shit last 10% because by comparison it was much better

>>279852828
The manga's ending not caving in to chudniggers is singlehandedly the greatest thing to come out of AOT. Bravo, Isayama.

>>279852859
Was it really that bad? KEK

>>279815008
>Those guys on Trash Takes
Anon.. Joey's favorite doujinshi tag is harem. He's upfront about this on Trash Taste.

>>279825840
Demented shipperfags will tell you otherwise, because they are so consumed by the conflict between the ships that they never considered what any of them were worth(see EMfags), but EH was the plot. People were saying it at the time as the manga was wrapping up. The only way for the ending to be satisfying at all was for at least some aspects of EH to be put in. We got none of it and the ending accordingly is shit. If there has been any ship that has been so connected to the plot, it was EHfags who I think primarily just wanted things to make sense in the story

>>279812476
>Isayama was actually a chud who was forced to change the ending by (((them)))

You mean to tell me, Isayama, the guy who wrote Mikasa and Annie as the most martially capable people in the story aside from Levi, with Annie literally beating Reiner's ass in combat, despite Reiner being taller and stronger than her, is actually a chud and nota left-leaning who was always going for a based chud genocide ending, until (((they))) stopped him and forced him to change the script? Holy based and dare I say redpilled!

>>279818654
Just Dune book 1, which delivers pretty well on its own build up. The rest of the Dune books are poorly written shit(unpopular opinion I am aware) that tries to ERM AHKTUALLY Paul super hard to make him out like some kind of bitch. If they were released today, people would be making the same schizo theories about Jews making a call to the author and editor metaling

>>279842145
>>279842460
That's not actually true. The epilogue revealed that Deku did indeed start dating the girl, and he got a suit of armor made by his friends that allowed him to cosplay a super hero. He also started moving up in the rankings.
The problem was that his big sacrifice felt pointless, for a major reason.
Everyone wanted him to kill the main villain, who was basically a school-shooter. Deku burned up his Quirk to saved him, but then the guy died anyway after All-for-One seized control of his body.
So basically it was entirely unnecessary. If Deku had simply killed him (like multiple people were telling him to do) it would have had the same result AND he would have kept his powers.

>>279806535
I thought the Eldians were basically Jews fighting fascists
Like they even have the god damn armband

>>279818654
You are retarded anretard. This was impossible in Attack on Titan. The author did not intend to do anything like this. In the last panel, Eren's child is held by Jean. He is not addressing the child but Eren, who is dead by the end, and says that he is free.

I, for one, am grateful to Isayama for utterly and completely butchering Cuckren (formerly Chadren) so that Lelouch would not be dethroned as the best anime MC of all time
Very generous of Yams

>>279853260
>Eren's child is held by Jean.
Kek. You really believe this?

>>279835119
The Mikasa thing is bewildering, because it's not like Mikasa was ever shy about wanting to bone Eren. I mean, she was right there, she'd have clawed down his pants the moment he asked.
It's not like this is a case of forbidden lust for his adopted sister, he genuinely seemed not to have any interest in her.
But now it turns out that he's always loved her and only her? That's just such a weird turn of events.

>>279851619
I think it was a beruanus incel. You can write to him on tumblr from a fake account.

>>279805842
Oh shit, I forgot about that! Wasn't Reiner supposed to be his rival or something

>>279818654
Dune fucking sucks

>>279853289
And who is there? Someone else? Well, this is much more believable than the backward theories of the cocksuckers anrcuckolds or EMfats. Much more plausible than cringe retarded theories from retardfolk.

>>279812476
I don't want to sound like a schizo, but it does seem like there was an abrupt turn somewhere. The entire story seems to set up genocide as a grim necessity, and the leaked 'last panel' implies that Eren survives and has a kid, but...
What happened to that, anyway?

>>279835402
Man this page really got the hopes of so many people up
It would have been a perfect ending, seriously.

>>279825840
I never cared that much about Snk to begin with, stayed with the story till the end for the hilarious threads on /a/
It’s been years, NOBODY can convince me that the pregnancy plotting was supposed to be resolved with a fucking rando farmer
NOBODY can convince me Eren loved Mikasa when he was annoyed or ignorant of her for most of the story
I want Isayama to explain the panel when Zeke is telling Eren how much Mikasa wants to suck his dick, Eren says something like „love, eh?” and the next panel of his inner thoughts flashes to Eren talking with Historia
Riddle me this, Isayama
Fucking explain to me how was I interpret the whole story as a EreMika slow burn

>>279853161
For me, the confusing part is that race-traitors Annie and Reiner got a good ending. They killed thousands of their own kind and set up this whole thing, they're openly parties to attempted genocide.
Yet they survive the whole thing and end up in the clear. How the fuck...?

>>279853328
I mean Eren having a kid with Mikasa thanks to titan magic is an EMfat theory. Either it was Grisha holding Eren or a rando, I don't think confirming ships would be good for fujo sales.

Bow down

>>279853314
It would have been much better than Reiner fighting a giant worm.

>>279853403
Armin really grew on me after the years. Maybe I should start saying minna and umida more often...

>>279853403
>>279853458
It’s Chadmin. This whole entire board bows to him now, after seething about him for years.
A true champion, a true hero, the savior of humanity, and the punisher of the wicked.

>>279798068
>He was trying to save Paradis. Which he would have done if he went full 100%
Isayama had Floch agree with Kiyomi when she said "you will eventually just start warring amongst yourselves" to drive that incredibly simple message home but I guess even that wasn't obvious enough for you. I mean you have to be 15 years old or literally retarded to not understand something as basic as "conflict never ends".

>>279805842
Would it better or would we still shit on it for being a rehash. Maybe Reiner winning would make it different?

>>279807578
How the fuck do people get filtered by fucking Attack on Titan

>He could've used the threat of rumbling as a deterrent.
Technology would be invented capable of trivializing the wall titans

>He could've used the rumbling to destroy other nations' military forces.

It's a temporary solution whereas Eren wants guaranteed freedom for Paradis. Plus he was caught by visions of the future from the Rumbling.

>He could've worked with the Azumabito family.
He didn't fully trust the Azumabito

>He could've gone with the euthanasia plan.
Taking away the freedom of your to have children, by someone who hates not being free...

>All of those would've been good enough if the ONLY thing he cared about was to protect his friends, but he went straight to genocide to protect Paradis... and then backed out, Paradis got wiped off the map, and most of the world died for no reason.

He couldn't see beyond after the Attack Titan died and trusted Paradis would be able to figure things out after 80% of the world is genocided. He leaves people alive to see how bad genocide is and understand what they were trying to do Eldians, removes the curse of the titans (which is the reason he saved Historia) and gives Eldia more than 50-70 years to defend itself against the world.

>>279853533
There is a difference between meaningless internal squabbles and a literal century of attempted genocides against you and your people. A 12 year old understands that. You apparently don't.

>>279853533
What does that aspect of human nature have anything to do with the crisis that was on hand? The entire world wanted to kill or ensalve everyone on the island. It's true that conflicts never end and they would have happened on the island even if the rumbling was completed. But you're severly underestimating the magnitude and urgency of that crisis. The island would have been "saved", regardless if said conflicts would have emerged between the people on the island or not.

>>279853725
>meaningless internal squabbles
Your knowledge of history is non-existent if you think people of the same ethnicity are not capable of massacring each other en masse, especially on a long timeline (not to mention a new ethnogenesis would begin eventually anyway).

>>279853791
>with the crisis that was on hand
The "crisis at hand" was solved for at least long enough for Mikasa to die as an old woman and some decades after that. So what are you talking about

>>279853855
If Eren's character wasn't completely and utterly destroyed his actions weren't supposed to be only for his closest friends. Them before anyone else sure, but also for everyone in Paradis island. That's how Eren was introduced in the very first chapters, he wanted to kill the outside monsters for the sake of the society he grew up in. Even if everyone alive in that time was saved, some of their direct children and many grandchildren did not. There's a difference between a peace that last 300-400 years, and one that only last scarcely 100 years like it seems to be the case here. In the latter case i wouldn't call the island to have been "saved".

>>279854090
Eren never showed particular allegiance to the Eldian race, only his friends. If he cared about the Eldian race itself he wouldn't have crushed all those Eldians outside Paradis.

>>279854202
Eren was potrayed as caring about his homeland, Paradis island, not Eldians. He was written in pre-timeskip as someone who, childish and reckless as he may be, had a strong desire to keep his country safe and kill the invaders before they attack.

>>279854419
I think he cared about seeing the sea more than anything desu.

>>279796708
This is true in many cases.

>>279854419
And he entrusted Paradis Island to Armin when he saw that he was going to get killed at 80%. He said he would've gone 100% if they didn't come to stop him.

>>279823050
I understand Eren's feelings but it could have been deliverd in a nicer way.

>>279854568
Isayama wanted to humiliate him to show that genocide is bad.

>>279854535
And the reason they stopped Eren was because Eren allowed it to happen. He didn't take away their powers because they were his friends, but he included people not his friends like Pieck. The problem is Isayama was trying to juggle too many motivations at once, and accounting for all of them makes the whole thing convoluted and anyone can say "my interpretation is correct.

>>279796286
Or the author could've not cucked, had Eren complete his plan, and then paradis would never be wiped out by its blood enemies, since there wouldn't be any.
My money is on some editor got told there's no way they're publishing such a pro nationalist story and to cuck the main character before he actually saves his home from the world uniting against it

>>279854807
>Isayama wanted to humiliate him to show that genocide is bad.
This is the raw pure truth. Unfortunately morons will keep looking the other way pretending it isn't so.

>>279855231
And also to show how much he loves Mikasa.

>>279853048

Yes he likes it but he also makes fun of it as do the other guys on the show

>>279853825
>if you think people of the same ethnicity are not capable of massacring each other en masse
That's a big "if", friend-o. I understand it perfectly. There's a difference between in-circle warfare for land, money, goods, resources, etc. and an entire world-wide agreement for the genocide of a specific people.

>>279854918


Probably not under his control

>>279854865
He didn't let them stop him just because he didn't want to kill them, he also knew Mikasa killing him was the only way to get rid of the Titan powers. He was bound by that fact.

>>279806045
This is still true I think, nothing that happens in the last chapter contradicts it.
Perhaps Eren being so powerful diminishes a bit of the mechanics regarding that situation.

>>279854807
>genocide
There's that word again. Upon which people did Eren commit genocide?

>>279855578
People from all races.

>>279854918
You must've read a different manga because AoT is full of anti-war messaging and nationalism is presented as one of the things that causes war. Just because Isayama includes the nationalist viewpoints fairly (Floch) doesn't mean he is taking that stance. That's your own projection.

>>279855628
That's not what "genocide" means. Look it up and post the definition of "genocide".
I'll go ahead and skip the cat-and-mouse here. You meant to type "massacre".

>>279855655
You can genocide multiple races. It was definitely genocide.

>>279855684
>You can genocide multiple races.
No, you can't. That's my point. "Genocide" is the specific targeting of a certain group of people. Not massacre en masse of people outside of a certain group of people. That's not the definition of the word.

Where is the gif of Jean/Mikasa kissing and Eren going berserk? Also Farmer beating the shit out of Eren.

>>279855725
If that were true then Nazis didn't commit any genocides cause they targeted multiple people. Is massacre supposed to be a more positive word? Why are you stuck there.

Because the ending betrayed its own legacy.

You say “everything wrapped up nicely” — and that’s exactly the problem. Shingeki no Kyojin was never supposed to wrap up “nicely.” This was a story built on blood, ideology, identity, and irreversible choices. It was a world where easy answers didn’t exist, where trauma ran so deep that “hope” was a distant myth — not a thematic goal.

Everything — from episode 1, to the basement reveal, to Eren's monologues — was leading toward a final act of terrible catharsis: the Rumbling. A monstrous, world-ending event driven not by malice, but by the tragic logic of history, revenge, and freedom. That was the natural conclusion.
Not the “good ending.”
The right ending.

But the anime (and the manga too) pulled its punches.

– Eren becomes a confused, crying boy instead of a tragic anti-hero.
– The Rumbling is reduced to a "mistake" instead of the necessary evil it was built up to be.
– Armin, the softest character, becomes the moral voice — while Erwin died for nothing.
– The “cycle of hatred” doesn’t break — the world keeps going to war anyway.

It’s not that the ending was “bad” because we wanted Eren to win or genocide to be glorified. It’s bad because it dodged its own moral weight. It refused the tragic finale it promised us for over a decade, in favor of ambiguity, cheap redemption, and an emotional cop-out.

This story had the chance to be eternal — a modern epic.
But instead of embracing its own monstrous beauty, it got scared.
It apologized for itself.
And with that, the story — which could’ve stood among the greats — simply became... another anime.

That's why people hate it.
Not because they didn’t “get it.”
But because they did. And they saw what it could have been.

>>279854482
Armong hands typed this post.

>>279855836
If that were true then Nazis didn't commit any genocides cause they targeted multiple people.
Well, if you want to bring Nazis into this, they didn't genocide anyone. They simply rounded them up based on races, ethnicity, religion, etc. The didn't gas anyone based on those specifics. But that's neither here nor there, wrong board for that type of discussion. We can debate that somewhere else.
>Is massacre supposed to be a more positive word?
No. The exact opposite actually. A massacre is far worse than a genocide. It's indiscriminate vs.targeting. It'd be like taking a gun and just firing it off randomly vs dialing in a specific target that you want to eliminate. In a massacre it's just "meh whatever kill 'em all". In a genocide, you know what you're doing. Eren did the former and massacred people, not genocided them.

>>279794184
You dumb retard, he saved the world that had been genociding his people for a century, and theose people ended up wiping out Eldians a few decades later.

AoT is propaganda whose message is "Don't defend yourself, let the world exterminate you, your loved ones and your people because your ancestors did a heckin colonization". Ever wondered why the Eldians all look White and have German names and architecture?

>>279825840
>hetbait
Go back to tumblr.

Silence vermin! Stop running your dirty mouths and simply bow to Chadmin

>>279856054
Actually if AoT has any clear cut message it's "war is bad but it will continue to happen as long as humans exist". Anything beyond that is your own projections. If what you said was true then Frieda would've been presented as the most morally righteous one. Instead Armin is presented as the most morally righteous one and his ideology is just trying to prevent war.
>Ever wondered why the Eldians all look White and have German names and architecture?
This is particularly retarded because Japs have been doing that for decades in countless anime.

>>279856182
Armong... my knees... they're falling on their own...

>>279856182

I don't care, our version was superior to what we got.

>>279856701
Stop. Simply bow, you lost >>279853403

>>279853681
>It's a temporary solution whereas Eren wants guaranteed freedom for Paradis.
The argument is that if he wanted guaranteed freedom for Paradis he would've gone for a full rumbling, and if he didn't care about Paradis' long term safety and just wanted to buy time for his friends to live long lives then any of the temporal solutions were better than killing billions of people and then leaving Paradis to defend themselves against 30% of the entire world.

>>279856858
Ymir's existence constrains what Eren was able to do. He wanted to do a full rumbling and get rid of the titan powers but he realized he can't achieve both so he settled. If he had completed a full rumbling Mikasa would not be motivated enough to kill him anymore.

>>279794184
The fact that you think this is the ending is why it's bad. It's failed storytelling. SnK has more in common with the ending of Oshi no Ko than it does the end of Code Geass. The main character fucks up entirely and fails his ultimate goal in succeeding with the minor goal. In Oshi no Ko, this character is rightfully chastised for his brash mistake and self-centered pride to think he could take on the challenge on his own. In SnK, everyone magically changes their mind and starts hooting and hollering about how he committed genocide "for their sakes." If the final twist of SnK wasn't that Eren was a loser, but instead that Eren was a retard (REMINDER: 3/10 Wits) who doesn't rely on his smarter friends it could've been potentially a 10/10 perfect ending. Even some of the writing that seems contrived could've made more sense because Eren wanted this retardedly specific ending because HE personally thought it was a good idea. There's just too many characters, especially Armin, acting out of character for this to make sense.

I have never seen a single tranny shill so hard for a garbage story

>>279857036
Why would Eren assume that Mikasa killing him would get rid of the titans?

>>279857119
Could you point to that tranny?

>>279793946 (OP)
its one of the worst series ever written

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I just don't know why Eren chose to save Bertholdt when his mom was going to die no matter what when the rubble landed on their house, but chose not to save anyone else.

I mean, if you're gonna mess with the past why why not save Thomas, Mina, Marco, etc. And then again, why stop there and not go full Madokami and prevent pure titans from ever eating people in history at all, erasing himself as a mere idea, only remembered by Mikasa and Levi?

>>279856196
>Actually if AoT has any clear cut message it's "war is bad but it will continue to happen as long as humans exist"
You stupid fuck. The main characters straight up tell you, in dialogue and actions, that their own people need to disappear because of the crimes their ancestors committed. Did you watch the fucking show?

It's weird that a strawman racist like Gross was proven to be in the right. It only takes ONE (1) rotten Eldian to kill all mankind.

>>279857155
He knew it for a fact, not assumed it. How? That's a bit murky, something to do with what emotions/thoughts Ymir transmitted to him. He somehow knew Ymir loved King Fritz so they communicated in some manner.

>>279857270
>How? That's a bit murky
>>279845346
It's all Ymir bro.

>>279857208
>The main characters straight up tell you, in dialogue and actions, that their own people need to disappear because of the crimes their ancestors committed.
Categorically false. The only character that believes that is the King in the Walls (Frieda). Come little buddy I'm sure you can construct an argument without twisting the facts.

>>279841402
119 was a dream because Isayama made so many continuity errors

>>279857415
also I didn't think he'd be able to catch the head

>>279857270
>he just knew he had to do what isayama decided he had to do
Okay, sure, whatever.

>>279856054
Eldians are Jews

>>279793946 (OP)
>I usually finish things a lot later than when they aired as to watch it with a clean perspective
People you are exactly the opposite of what you think you are.
Manga onlys caught all the shitshow in real time while you didn't, because 1 time watch sitters are just mindless slop consumers who take no time to digest the medium.

>>279857870
They are German, German culture permeates AoT.
Even primitive Eldia vs Marley resembled German Barbarians vs Romans

If you have a plan and you have to kill millions to carry it out, then you shouldn't give up right at the end, or you'll look like a huge idiot for killing millions for nothing.
Morgoth and Sauron understood this and carried out their plans to create their perfect worlds to the very end.

>>279853177
>The epilogue revealed that Deku did indeed start dating the girl
After 8 years without making any damn progress beyond acquaintances/friends.

>>279858446
>After 8 years
That's the kind of thing that makes people think Deku is gay.

>>279806045
wait, so if I understand this correctly, Grisha can see Eren looking at Grisha, so Grisha is looking at himself from 3rd person ?

>>279859790
Exactly! During the cave he doesn't see Eren, but he knowshis position because he can see through his eyes.
He can see Zeke because Eren is looking at him

Shitren? For milk

I've never seen SnK as a race driven conflict, am I doing something wrong?
Besides, posts talking about SnK through race lenses feel somewhat paranoid.
t.esl

>>279853302
>he genuinely seemed not to have any interest in her.
>But now it turns out that he's always loved her and only her? That's just such a weird turn of events.

>>279860330
I mean the titan curse thing is very obviously an allegory for race (Eldians). (People thought) Eren didn't want to protect Paradis just because it was his country being targeted, but also because it represented his own race of people, Eldians. Remember that scene where he touches the dead abnormal titan and says "It's a fellow patriot." It's because Eren realizes there were people of his same race who were forced into the walls from the outside world.

>>279860728
Kinda dark that the actual ending was him begging her to forget him and her saying no and then wrapping her own scarf before beheading him

>>279860800
Yeah, but race conflict never crossed my mind back since eldians and marleyans looked very alike for them to feel any distintion besides the obvious one of being capable to turn into titans, which is something that you should know already in advance.

>>279861077
My mind back then*

>>279794713
kill yourself immediately

>>279860728
This is literally the only semi romantic interaction they have during the entire story. Mikasa/Eren could have been good if he spent even the slightest bit of effort in developing after this scene

>>279861626
Tbh I don't think Mikasa/Eren could have worked without heavily rewriting what made their characters unique. Mikasa was all about going back home, to the idea of the past, Eren's literally only character trait (besides caring about who he percieved as innocents) was to keep moving forward. They're polar opposites and never would have worked besides in Mikasa's rose tinted glasses.

>>279861626
It's one thing for crazy fans to take one scene and extrapolate out a full ship from it that isn't supported by any other part of the narrative. It's another thing for the actual author of the story to do the same thing.

>>279855561
Ymir could have eliminated the titan power from all Eldians at any time. Eren dying was necessary for Ymir to be satisfied enough to finally move on from her fucked up mindset. It was hilarious to see in real time the story suddenly devolve into being about toxic relationships.

>>279857085
>The main character fucks up entirely and fails his ultimate goal in succeeding with the minor goal
What are those goals for Aqua in OnK? Actually protecting and caring for his sister versus stopping Kamiki?

>>279861722
I disagree, I think that difference would've made their conflict way more compelling if it was written well. You can have two people genuinely love each other while their fundamental differences and outlooks in lives drive them apart despite their feelings

>>279862706
That already happened in the manga though

>>279857361
>The only character that believes that is the King in the Walls (Frieda)
The very post you are replyingt to has a screenshot proving otherwise, jew. Hange (they/them) is speaking in this scene.
>>279860330
The show literally tells you verbatim this is about race. And the moral of teh story is that if your ancestors did a racism, than it's ony just that you and everyone you love should be anhiliated. A hardcore case of shared guilt. Isayama is a cuckold.

>>279863851
*then it's only just

fujos are happy today

>>279866057
>We want the faggot audience!
Certified Israelyama moment.

>>279853177
>The epilogue revealed that Deku did indeed start dating the girl
Yeah but it's not like they didn't already have a crush before.
>he got a suit of armor made by his friends that allowed him to cosplay a super hero.
Something that had already been reported in the final chapter.
>He also started moving up in the rankings.
But as of the final chapter he is still not number 1.
>The problem was that his big sacrifice felt pointless.
Pointless? By sacrificing himself Deku shows the world that anyone can be a hero, shows that being a hero has nothing to do with power, rankings or status but with collectivity and altruism (you don't see Bakugou or the others at the end caring much about rankings like they did before, do you?). He is the greatest hero of all precisely because he changes the way society thinks.
>>279858446
>>279858826
>After 8 years without making any damn progress beyond acquaintances/friends.
>That's the kind of thing that makes people think Deku is gay.
Here's the projection again. "If the character isn't exactly how I want him to be then he's a loser, gay, cuck..."

>>279854482
I think he cared most about exterminating his enemies.

>>279858173
No, Marley are the Germans. Eldians are the Jews

>>279868467
The whole "gift/curse" dichotomy with the Titan legacy gets me. It confuses me. It seems like no one in the story sees the Titan power as a gift instead of a curse. But the titan power is said to be from God... so is Hallucigenia like a demiurge-type thing? I thought the answer to the reason why the king wouldn't save the people despite his peoples' demands was that there literally was no answer because the original King planned on the Rumbling happening. He couldn't tell his children because the secret might get out. To me the King that built the walls purposely filled with Titans seemed like the only character in the story who might have viewed Titanhood as a gift rather than a curse. It seemed like Eren was going to go this route too, but the message got really confused and it started to be unclear whether Eren viewed Titanhood itself as a gift or a curse until the end.

>>279868583
Grisha's character 180 kinda makes sense, because he was invested in the false delusion that the Founder Ymir wasn't actually the terrorist Marley said she was. When he realized Eren would carry on Ymir's legacy of terror in unleashing his titan power on the world and that the "innocent people" he fought for from history were actually exactly the ruthless murderers and genociders the propaganda said they were, he told Zeke he regretted everything and to stop Eren. To me this mirrors the convo Eren had with Armin when he said that the Marleyans actually were exactly correct about them and the danger they posed to the world, but it didn't matter because it's kill or be killed.

>>279868642
AoT could have been that type of moral nihilistic kill or be killed story. It's just a bare fact of life. There were so many opportunities but it just had to end on meaningless, globalist hand-holding power of friendship shit.

>>279818654
thank you nigger for the spoiler, i was planning to read it but i won't do it anymore, hope you die

>>279868467
One of the main Eldian charcaters is called fucking Erwin you absolute retard. Eldians are an allegory for Europeans, complete with the self-hatred and generational guilt.

>>279868700
Okay but that's just what Eldians say about Marleyans too. It's just that type of story where no side is morally "correct" and it's about sticking with what you think is right. That was the case ever since the Female titan arc. It's about sticking with your people because they're your people. Even Grisha had to convince himself that his people weren't actually bad in order to be an Eldian restorationist. He, too, was a self-hating Eldian.

>>279868754
The side that is morally correct is the one that is getting genocided you spineless fence-sitting faggot. "Muh both sides are bad" fuck you, how can you say the story is about figting for your people when the ENTIRE FUCKING CAST except Floch and a couple background characters betray their people and willingly condemn them to certain death? Isayama is a cuckold who thinks past sins justify the death of an entire nation, he's a leftist westaboo liek Kojima.

>>279863851
Knowing you're endangering the island != believing you deserve to die for the sins of your ancestors. You should be more precise with your language. Maybe you're not capable of that? You said the main characters believed Eldians deserve to die for the sins of their ancestors. None of them believed that. And they all had hope of a better tomorrow even though they knew it'd be hard.

>>279868944
>The side that is morally correct is the one that is getting genocided
Not even Eren thinks this. Grisha doesn't either. Nor does Zeke. No character in the story believes the Rumbling is morally right. Eren has to throw away his humanity and become the monster Ymir was in order to protect his people. It's what he thought was right, but that doesn't mean Eren didn't feel immense moral guilt about. Eren was pushing his friends away because he was in the process of becoming a monster. I'm not saying the ending makes sense, not to me at least, because Eren suddenly had a 180 that didn't make sense... he became a monster, then regressed somehow into humanity?
It is a cycle of genocide because Eldians started the genocides when the Founder Ymir killed billions. I didn't say it's just about fighting for your people, but most characters do. All the Marleyan characters who remain loyal to Marley and Eren who fights for Paradis. I also said it's about fighting for what you think is right. You should really read my posts...

>>279869061
>Not even Eren thinks this. Grisha doesn't either. Nor does Zeke. No character in the story believes the Rumbling is morally right
Didn't watch the show award.

>>279869128
I clearly said in my post he was protecting Paradis. Like I said, that doesn't mean believes he is morally right. He just KEEPS MOVING FORWARD. Dude, he literally forgave Reiner and shook his hand. He also said they're the same: he just keeps moving forward until he's killed his enemies. Why would he do that with someone he thought was morally repugnant? He thought they were morally equivalent. Sometimes you do terrible shit you aren't proud of when fighting for your life, your family, your country.

>>279869000
>You said the main characters believed Eldians deserve to die for the sins of their ancestors. None of them believed that. And they all had hope of a better tomorrow even though they knew it'd be hard.
And Paradis gets genocided a few decades after the Rumbling, good job. So the Cringevengers plan was to condemn Eldians to certain death by saving their enemies who explicitly say and show multiple times throughout the story that they want to wipe them out, and by killing the gonly guy who can wield their only chance of defending themselves?

>>279869128
Nowhere, not even in that pic, does Eren consider himself justified in a moral sense. He's doing it to protect Paradis because he wants his island to live, and he's willing to kill everyone outside to do so.
When Eren was in Marley, he know most of those people didn't deserve death, but he was going to kill them anyway. He cried in front of that turkish kid because he was going to eventually kill him.

>>279869231
NTA but Literally yes, that was their plan. It's just nationalism vs. globalism. The only sucky part is that Eren was retconned into a self-hating globalist pussy too at the end. It was an interesting ideological conflict minimized into a random story about a group of friends putting their mentally ill schizophrenic school shooter friend down.

>>279868700
>complete with the self-hatred and generational guilt.
that's specifically about germans and japanese about losing ww2 tho.

Eldians are German:
>german names
>german architecture
>ost includes german lyrics
>ancestors are codes as germanic barbarians
>were a world power who caused mass destruction and oppression
>are taught to hate themselves for the sins of their ancestors
Eldians are Jewish:
>jewish ghetto and armbands
>paradis is madagascar
>titan-golem similarities

>>279869720
they're japanese jews germans and taiwanese

>>279869231
Now that's a completely different argument.
>So the Cringevengers plan was to condemn Eldians to certain death by saving their enemies who explicitly say and show multiple times throughout the story that they want to wipe them out, and by killing the gonly guy who can wield their only chance of defending themselves?
Way to oversimplify things. A lot of people in Iran have been chanting "Death to America" for decades now but they haven't been nuked to oblivion by America yet. Why? Because people would not be OK with such mass genocide (apart from Jews).

>>279858826


In anime 8 years is considered normal courtship time while IRL she will move on in like 2 weeks

>>279869879
Marley was sending nukes to Paradis lol.. they're called titans. And Paradis ended up getting nuked. So wtf is this argument

>>279870065
I'm talking about how you completely removed morality from the equation when discussing the motivations of the characters. Also you failed to mention that they believed they would have plenty of time to prepare for future hostilities after stopping Eren because of the fear and damage he caused. So no, Armin and company didn't believe they were dooming Eldians to certain death if they stopped Eren.

>>279869720
>>paradis is madagascar
What does that have to do with the Jewish?

>>279869257
You can feel justified about doing something without necessarily liking having to do it. Genociding those who are genociding you goes beyond moral justification, it's basic survival instinct. Kill or be killed.
>>279869346
>The only sucky part is that Eren was retconned into a self-hating globalist pussy too at the end
Isayama got the call, it's obvious to me. Eren's change of heart make sabsolutely no sense. The infamous cuck scene is also character assasination because he was afraid Eren would turn into a heckin problematic character that the wrong people would relate too.

>>279870278
I wasn't that anon.

>>279870406

>>279869457
>that's specifically about germans and japanese about losing ww2 tho.
Every European (except maybe in estaren Europe) is brought up with intense generational guilt. Here in France we didn't fight on the German side, yet I remember history class being all about how evil our ancestors were for not committing suicide in high enough number by attacking the Germans and trying to save jews during the Occupation. Plus the usual slavery and christianity stuff.

Grisha's dad is textbook European boomer cuckold, every teacher ever, when I first reached that part of the story I was fucking floored at how realistic this piece of shit is. Even the whole "justifying your own daughter's murder" happened more than once IRL, I'm not gonna /pol/post but you can find these stories easily.

>>279870410
People will say Floch being on Eren's side was foreshadowing that Eren would be some sort of strawman, but I think that's wrong. I think Isayama was deliberately trying to make Eren look as unlikable to the protagonists as possible while still being technically right. None of them could even refute what Eren said, and Hange couldn't blame Eren for taking action into his own hands after their incompetent stalling. Eren was focused on protecting Paradis, they failed to do that and Hange ultimately died on the altar of genocidebad.

>>279870617
And yeah, Eren's 180 at the end obviously makes no sense, ruins his character retroactively, renders the themes moot etc.

>>279815917
>Like when? After the basement?

>The last 10% of AoT was a total trainwreck

Read.

>>279869879
We JUST bombed Iran!

>>279870881
Last 10% would be chapters 126-139

>>279870655
>Eren's 180 at the end obviously makes no sense
What "180"? Even the most illiterate piece of shit should've known after the table scene with Mikasa and Armin that Eren was not being honest and putting on an act in some way.
>ruins his character retroactively
How?
>renders the themes
What themes specifically? Please stick to themes within the material itself, not themes you projected onto the work. No one gives a shit about those.

>>279870596
>Plus the usual slavery and christianity stuff.
What does that have to do with the French?

>>279870973
Good timing cause it illustrates my point. People would not be OK with mass genocide, so even the bloodthirsty jews in charge of America settled for bombing nuclear facilities instead of indiscriminate nuking.

>>279871064
Please read the thread before expecting me to explain it to you.

>>279870973
KEK

>>279871302
I've heard all the arguments before, I just wanted to see if you're capable of putting it in your own words. Evidently you are not. Coward.

>>279871450
Why would I waste time explaining it to you again when you can't read what I've already said? You just like baiting people into arguments where you play dumb and force people to "explain things to you again" just to exhaust them. You're a useless energy suck and don't deserve attention.

>>279871088
A lot of crusaders were french, and we also had slaves in the colonies, so therefore every french person must feel immense guilt and self-hatred because of what our government did centuries ago. Menwhile our millions of muslim migrants don't have to apologize for the centuries of slave trade, including on Europeans, because heckin wholesome brown people can do no wrong :)

Same shit everywhere in the West.

>>279871503
Point to your post where you answered any of my questions already

>>279871503
>just to exhaust them. You're a useless energy suck and don't deserve attention.
A mosquito is sucking you of your vitality?

>>279794713
Like that place isn't big enough of a hellhole?

When was the last time we got a thread close to bump limit? Must have been years.

>>279796708
I thought a lot of /a/ LIKED to insert as a Chad taking what he wants.

>>279872125
King Fritz is too cruel for me. I'm a lover, not a eye poker.

The fujos were kinda hot weren't they?

>>279861528


No, I don't think I will.

>>279872303
Then fuck off.

>>279870486

>Succumb to harsh conditions

35 million people live there, more than Australia which is actually a harsh place to live

>>279872088


There's some truth over there but too much self pity. It's like 80% of us would be like them if we didn't have vidya and gook cartoons to suppress our pain.

>>279872388

Why so angry?

>>279872117

I see several threads in the catalog that hit the bump limit but I don't think those "themed" threads count.

>>279806873
Is that supposed to be sarcastic?

>>279868642
>he told Zeke he regretted everything and to stop Eren
So then why the fuck did he immediately proceed to give Eren his titan?

>>279868467
Dipshit, Eldians are Germanic and Marleyans are Italian. Marleyan cuisine is a stand-in for italian food, Niccolo is an Italian name, characters like Magath are shown to be more swarthy and mediterranean than Eldians, the Eldian v. Marleyan conflict draws inspo from irl historic Nord v. Med conflicts.

>>279857207
My head canon is that Ymir used titan powers to change the timeline and the highschool AU is the real timeline

>>279793946 (OP)
>Why was the ending so hated on here?
Schizos (crack shippers) here spent years making up fanfic theories and got assblasted once it didn't pan out.

>>279870486
Fucking Germans are their retarded convoluted plans, they should have gone full machete genocide like in Rwanda. 1M+ dead in 100 days ez.

>>279873598
The ending we got was awful though. I could make a better ending than "Ymir was in love with her slave owner for 2000 years and had to see real love(real love didn't exist before mikasa btw) to end the curse"
It's obvious that it ended this way to justify more post-apocalyptic stories. I hope some good writer gives us the kino we alwaya needed.

>>279868700
I dunno why you guys want to self insert into the race that can transform into mindless, dangerous, wasteful mutants (and sometimes not of their own free will), and were also the main antaginistic force and fuck off weapons if the earlt series so badly

>>279875075
>fuck off weapons if the earlt series so badly
What?

>>279875075


They're powerful.

>>279798068
the true ending is always going to be YEH

>>279874335
kek

>>279876592
Meds schizo

>>279876592
>true ending
It might not be the true ending, but it's a better ending thanks to the Ymir getting reborn aspect of it. It could work even if Mikasa gave birth.

>>279868642
The kind who builded the wall and took memories away certainly didn't see titanhood as a gift, it's the exact opposite. And he certainly didn't plan for the rumbling happening. He was just an idiot, and a stupid plot device by Isayama to have the ending he wanted.

JEAN FUCKED SHITKASA

Sex with Rico!

>>279853567
reiner being the one to """defeat""" eren would have made the ending substantially better. instead he just wrestled a big worm that then disappeared off-screen. armin being literal titan jesus was really lame.

>>279876669


True king

>>279872513
They are used to the conditions. If you now took millions of urban-dwelling first worlders and threw them into a third world shithole in middle of nowhere without anything then most of them would starve or die from diseases. The minority who would adapt would be permanently held down by the harsh conditions.

>>279875075
I guess you need to be White to understand.

>>279880165
Since when are spics white?

>>279880208
Wrong thread?

>>279880233
Most eren self-inserters are from that region.

>>279880250
I see, schizo.

>>279823172
imagine if the only thing in the basement was his dads porn mags instead

>>279880378
It's factual you know. I saw a person from that region crying a few days ago cause he felt like he got cucked for real cause he self-inserted too hard into Eren. He was EH until EM was revealed, then turned EM until the ending hit him and he just got mindbroken. It was on /pol/ but I can't remember the exact post or number.

Based anons discussing the story amd reaching bump limit.

>>279880448
>It's true, I saw one instance of this happening, therefore!
I didn't realize I was talking to a woman. Tits or GTFO.

>>279877082
The reborn of Ymir and the complete genocide would actually justify completely her actions in the rumbling (pre-137), she wanted to be reborn but made sure nobody would ever come to disturb her ever again.

>>279880493
I'm racist, not a woman. One time is enoughm

>>279880498
Exactly. Much more positive for women too.
>but Isayama wanted to not glorify genocide
Just have humans go at it against each again after 1000 years or something to show that it's not a permanent solution to humanity's evil. The normal ending already glorified it anyways cause it bought his friends peace for the duration of their lifespan. The normal ending also glorified women being dumb slaves.

>>279823172
It wasn't dumb. Marley hobo Eren is still the best character in the story, next to Erwin. It is true that if it had to end like it had it would have been better if it "stayed in its lane". But the potential for an excellent ending was there. Don't mix up the quality of the ending with what it could have been.

>>279794184
>ultimate sacrifice
You sure you watched the same ending as us and not fanfiction anon

>>279876592
>>279853403

>>279876592
Looks like Freckled Ymir. Was that the intention?

I will just keep moving forward.

>>279880453
this is the cutest thing i've ever seen

>>279853458
>>279853514
Armin and the SC, as post-timeskip characters, were depicted as indecisive by Isayama. Unable to take decisions in fear of making a mistake. He humiliated Eren and made him look as pathetic as possible, sure. But i believe it's canon to say that if it were for them, even though the world population wouldn't have been decimated, Paradis Island would have been enslaved and destroyed. I don't know what's likeable about that desu.

>>279886759


So basically they were screwed no matter what and there were no good possibilities, and they chose the possibility that at least let them all live their lives?

>>279887246
>let them all live their lives?
? no, that was because of eren. if it were just up the SC, they would've been dead because the entire world was ready to rain down on paradis

>>279868087
Dude, Deku was lucky that Ochako didn't get a boyfriend in those 8 years, 8 years of waiting is ridiculous and even more so if they confessed before that.

>>279793946 (OP)
People tricked themselves into believing the ending would be some self insert fanfic for them and lost their minds when it didn't happen.

>>279871135
>People would not be OK with mass genocide
>>279871135
>People would not be OK with mass genocide
I haven't seen anyone protesting against it yet, maybe because no one likes Iran.

>>279884026
>Looks like Freckled Ymir. Was that the intention?
just one of many aspects of the true ending that tie everything together

>"GRRRRR, I AM SO SURPRISED AND ANGRY AT THIS SUGGESTION....even though I know the titan curse will disappear and Historia is never in any real danger"

>>279888413
It's because of Eren's character assassination, and the overall tones of the final battle like some superhero movie. It's because of morons like you that people still praise this shit.

>>279888677
I think it's obvious Eren was trying to prevent that future. Still clingling to the belief that it could be changed.

>>279889016
Except according to the ending he hasn't

he worked TOWARDS that future

>>279889155
That seems very ambiguos as to where exactly he started working toward it. It's not like he began planning everything right after the surge of memories with Historia's hand.

I like to think that the Eren we knew pre-timeskip existed as much time as possible, before turning into the travesty revealed in the last chapters.

>>279889409
literally says since the medal shit

>>279869720
Even with the golem shit the titans are far more Germanic.

>>279793946 (OP)
The ending was great because it showed Eren was still the same whiny loser he was when the series started.

>>279886517
>takes a look at your face
You're a close second anon!

I wasnt even a Eren Historia shipper but many clues seems to have pointed at something like this, the mystery behind Historia pregnancy and the farmer being a litteral npc or the explanation being given by someone utterly oblivious to the machinations that is going on around him or about how Historia is the only person Eren revealed his goal (theres floch but he needed his help)

And then theres that fucking page that makes no sense on its own, clearly there was something further from here and the reason wasnt to continue to make founding family because Eren obviously refused that option?

At least, him being the father of the child would give a more pertinent motivation for his genocide goal, he's not only thinking about his friends but also about his soon to be born child and by extention his future and Paradis'

>>279891427

>>279891761
>Eren is looking down
>Historia is looking up
>both have the same teary eyes

Can't believe this was on accident. Jesus fuck

kek, dunno if it's been said, but remember the "Jaw Titan becomes a flying bird, because it ingested some of Zeke's semen, and is called Falco, and they just happen to need a flyer?"

the last chapter was so frustrating to read is all i remember so i cannot want to defend it because i know what i FELT when reading that chapter

>>279892872
While a bird might represent freedom, Falco becoming the bird titan spells out his loss because what is most a the founding titan made of? a Ribcage, a Cage. Falco will end in the birdcage and never be free and while Eren did say "I wont take your freedom" to the alliance, Falco was not there so he is a part of the slavebowl and because he represents a domesticated bird as he is an Eldian that is domesticated and a slave to Marley. Domesticated birds go in cages

>>279892872
It mindbroke several posters.

>>279893948
Need to photoshop Falco's bird form under the ribcage.

>>279794184
Wasn't it all predetermined anyways so he didn't really have a choice in the mattter?

should've just been a time loop would've made everything better in the end desu .
>tries to create timelines where he and his friends live, they always die trying to stop him and he's sad
>tries to make timelines where he just runs off with mikasa they're hapy but they both die and he dooms paradis
>decides to make a timeline where his friends live, he dies and creates this elaborate plan to create peace or at least a timeline where his friends get to live their lives at least
>makes that whole breakdown with Armin less whiney, and explains he's sacrificing his happiness and his love for his friends

fixed it, swear that's what they were going for initially.

>>279866057
How many people stiil buy that stuff?

>>279894332
>sacrificing his happiness and his love for his friends
His friends Annie, Reiner, and Pieck? Bertholt got the short end of the stick.

>>279895728
>Bertholt got the short end of the stick.
Don't forget Hange, but fuck her I gues.

>>279895728
my problem is if according to the alliance eren made such a heroic sacrifice why did he deserve to die? it just seems weird that they thank him and then kill him. or is the implication by the ending that he always wanted them to kill him/stop him? that's bullshit

>>279794184
murder of Eren's character
>turns out eren had no plan at all, he doesn't know why he decided to kill 80% of the world, he just felt like it's something he needed to do
>he lied in his own inner monologue lmao
>"I DON'T WANT THAT"
murder of Armin's character
>"hey armin, I will kill 80% of the world, also I used my past changing powers to kill my own mother"
>"thank you, for becoming a mass murderer for our sakes, eren, what a man you are"
>"also, I will have you guys kill me, won't be able to be at mikasa's side"
>"WHAT? HOW DARE YOU MAKE MIKASA SAD?" *punches him across the face over that and not for you know, mass genocide*
Ymir
>all that set up with Ymir sending memories to Eren to free her
>lol no, Eren wasn't that important
>Ymir was not enslaved for eternity after all, she simply was in love with her rapist, she could have stopped her suffering at any point, but she needed to see mikasa kill eren so she could get over her own love XD
a shitty zero requiem rip off
>I will kill 80% of the world, that way the hatred for eldians will disappear once my friends kill me and become heroes, surely they will not hate us island devils even more for this and seek retribution
>I could go for a full 100%, which would guarantee there's no revenge, but I'm not some genocidal maniac lol
>paradis gets nuked after maybe 50 years (manga version)
last pages
>some kid finds the tree, meaning that it was all for nothing, titan powers are coming back and the cycle repeats

>>279896499
>>"WHAT? HOW DARE YOU MAKE MIKASA SAD?" *punches him across the face over that and not for you know, mass genocide*
He took his friends feelings for granted.

Gabi for 500

what is Hayama up to?

>>279891427
I don't necessarily think it was "eren fucked historia offscreen" but isayama definitely dropped some sort of plot point regarding the pregnancy thing. That entire scene where the extremely gullible MPs chat about how zeke totally won't betray them and how the nameless farmer is the dad is very out of place.

>>279898634
>extremely gullible MPs chat about how zeke totally won't betray them
What fools, how could they trust him?

The Alliance are heroes for fighting for their grandchildren to get nuked, stalling for just long enough so that they were dead when it happened so they didn't have to see it or be a victim of that themselves. Worthless cunts.