I have to assume that if you consider this series remotely good then you just haven't seen that much anime. It's not an indictment against you personally, nor am I saying Frieren is actually bad. It's more that I find it hard to believe people who actually watch anime would enjoy this. For all I know, it's almost entirely propped up by normals who used it as their introduction to anime, similar to what happened with AoT and FMA.

>>279801358 (OP)
how about you talk about what you like instead?

Native isekai

>>279801358 (OP)
This is the best anime ever for the same reason Avatar is the best movie ever made.

I mean it's fun, but the first few episodes are cringe as fuck. I also think only women like it, because it reminds them how they didn't pick the beta cuck when they were young and instead went for the cock carousel, just to later realize that picking the beta would've been the better choice.

>>279801358 (OP)
>I have to assume that if you consider this series remotely good then you just haven't seen that much anime.

Dont compare me with you filthy normie.

>>279801358 (OP)
I have seen more anime than you and I think is good. Now what faggot

>>279801358 (OP)
Sorry sperg but Metallica are just that good and there's nothing you can do about it

>>279801358 (OP)
Yeah, sad to see isekaislop like this getting popular over actually deep shows like Eva and Madoka

>>279801358 (OP)
I've watched over 500 titles, and I disagree. My first anime was Patlabor on VHS back in 1998.

>>279801358 (OP)
>popular thing is... LE BAD!
such many cases

imagine hating this erufu of all things

FMA was a good show but it is annoying how many normies started liking anime because of that show.

Frieren is a comfy show. It's not amazing, I see it as a more chill version of Slayers from back in the day. Not amazing but definitely should have won more awards over Solo Leveling

>>279801847

She doesn't even pick the cock carousel though, she is just asexual.

>>279801358 (OP)
MT does everything Frieren did but better, that said both are still worth watching.

>>279806260
Frieren is unproblematic unlike MT

>becomes battle shounen/isekai powerlevel slop after the first arc
>popularity explodes
MANY SUCH CASES

>>279801358 (OP)

You faggots are the reason why the bar of a "good" anime is so low.

Not saying frierien is bad, op is right. But we could be getting stuff like frierien AND better.

>>279804306
Do zoomies these days actually think 500 anime is a lot?

>>279801358 (OP)
t. fmatranny

No one is falling for this shit MALtard, you're show will hopefully never be #1 again

You mad.

>>279804220
What do you do if the ending Is shit?

>>279806845
I think FMAtards are just butthurt that they wasted over a decade of their life trying to astroturf their awful series into "DA BEST ANIME OF ALL TIME!!! XD" by aggressively botting these anime ranking websites like MAL and downrating viable competitors but now they were caught flat footed which is why they lash out like the little autists they are. Nothing about shithood will stand the test of time, deal with it

>>279806845
Lol based

>>279806802
just because you have no self control or a critical bone in your body and can't help yourself from watching slop all day doesn't make 500 a small number. I've been watching anime all my life and am coming up on 200 completed anime and I consider that to be a lot and no retard that goes into a comatose-daze 12 hours a day watching dogshit is gonna convince me otherwise

>>279801358 (OP)
This series perfectly appeals to normalfags who only watch shounen and their first anime was jujutsu kaisen, and also the oldfag that thinks it's refreshing because it literally does not try anything new, isn't some ironic slop, and is a genuine series with no retarded gimmicks.

>>279801358 (OP)
Just a couple of years ago people were claiming Demon Slayer was the best anime of all time, just give it a couple of years for something else to bury this shit.

>>279801358 (OP)
I enjoyed the manga. The OP and ED are really nice. Getting to see gifs of Übel in motion is great as well. However I haven't watched it.

>>279806845
>>279806964
>>279806990
Jesus christ when will you actually end yourself funnyschizo?

>>279808291
When will you FMAutists leave me alone and stop ruining my life? Fact is that Brotherhood was complete shit and didn't hold up at all

Maidragon movie will be the next best anime of all time.

>>279808531
kwab

Is Frieren a series for otaku or is it does it appeal to real human beans?

>>279809108
There isn't really much for otaku, apart from gooning to qt girls

>>279808531
>fact

>>279808531
Dude, there's no person that cares most for fmab than you on this motherfucking board, i can assure you that. There's barely any thread for it besides your autistic spergings, that's how obsessed you are with it. At this point i might even think you like it a lot and you're just doing it for free spam.

>>279807303
Sounds to me like you are just not a big fan of anime, I love seeing something new and a desire to expand my horizons so it only took a decade for me to reach 500 anime.

I also question if you really have a critical bone. I bet you only watch anime that get really high ratings on MAL, something that gets less objective and less reliable these days thanks to hype culture and retarded zoomers reviewbombing any anime the moment the first episode hits. That means you are likely missing on those really fun anime that stand out from the crowd, but because they don't have mass appeal nor generate "hype", often have a hard time breaking into top 10 lists or getting into the 8s.

Anything that doesn't feature explicit video game elements like GUI or a level system has a leg up above the crowd of isekai/tensei slop.

>>279811479
most isekai dont actually have gui or game systems

>>279801358 (OP)
It got a lot of problems, on top of my head:
>Not distinctive locations, flora or landscape. The same woods you see from episode one-two are the same you see till last episode (even in the manga). It all looks the same. The author didn't even try to add more languages like the mushoku tensei guy and they have been crossing cities and countries for months
>Battle school tournament arc for no reason. It completely fucks the flow and tone of the story so far.
>Everyone has the same dead eyes look, the anime kinda fix this to some extent but in the manga is a lot worse
>Hero' party is a lot more interesting than the current party. The author dropped the ball hard when he make the priest leave the party (he could've made a more interesting dinamic with the characters)
>Frieren is too OP, even when the author obviously nerf her.
Those are my complains on top of my head.

>>279801358 (OP)
Its a good anime. If you want to be an insufferable contrarian go ahead but the fact remains.

>>279811713
I really wonder how manga will look like after the hiatus, maybe the author took the hiatus to really give it all to the manga and improve things.

>>279811617
They still copy each other and are formulaic to the point of boredom.

>>279811973
Big doubt. At the very best we can hope for a more consistent plot, but no hope for anything else

>>279801358 (OP)
I like it and i don't really care about what you or anyone else thinks about it.

>>279801358 (OP)
>look mom i posted it again!

>>279808666
nah, kanna is the most boring character in the series

i tried it and it was unbelievably boring. i'm sure it gets better but i have to question your taste if you were even capable of stomaching the first episode

I would argue that its existence just solidifies how terrible the majority of narou fantasy is. I don't even think that "native isekai" bait posts are wrong but Frieren's quality is head and shoulders above your typical narou fiction. Like, it makes modern isekai slop borderline unwatchable by comparison.

>>279812820
>it makes modern isekai slop borderline unwatchable by comparison
I hate frieren and isekai slop was never watchable in the first place

>>279812668
Ive only read the manga but it actually gets more boring

>>279801358 (OP)
>I have to assume that if you consider this series remotely good then you just haven't seen that much anime
I have been watching anime for like 20 fucking years now, it's easily one of the best I have seen.
Even if it's not really your thing it should be obvious why it blew up the way it did. Not many things many end up being good, accessible and well made. You really need all three to break out of typical anime circles and get normalfag attention. That's exactly what SnK and FMA had going for them too.

>>279812592
tohru best dragon appears in it

>>279813384
best dragon indeed
movie should have been about tohru and kobayashi

>>279801358 (OP)

I was watching anime long before you were even born kid and i think Frieren is pretty good. The old good, new bad is a false dichotomy. Given how production and distribution have changed in the last few decades it´d be safe to say there is not enough data to draw an accurate comparison.

People like to cherry pick around their arguments. They´d compare something like Frieren against the truly exceptional anime from the golden era to claim anime went to shit when it would be more accurate to say that Frieren, while above average and even great, is not a truly exceptional work of art.

Furthermore they´d make this argument while completely disregarding the context of production. If you were to arbitrarily limit the comparison to contemporary productions Frieren would easily stand out among the best of it´s generation.

>>279812820
It's just that it has flaws, but these flaws aren't necessarily in causal relation to isekai. What I'm getting at is that the "concept of flaw-ness" \= isekai. Isekai may be flawed but it did not itself invent flaws and you can have flaws that aren't metaphysically linked to isekai or narou. For example, Steins;Gate.

>>279813614
I've been watching anime since the early 70s and Frieren is fucking dogshit. Nice oldfag larp though

>>279811479
Too bad Frieren has them

>>279813847
No it doesn't. And the closest you can get to the GUI bit is the mana map and that's wrong too.

>>279813802
No you weren't

>>279806845
>>279806964
>>279808531
bait, fma:b is kino
>>279813802
>animude since 70s
>you oldfag larp
lmao, tits or gtfo

>>279814000
Eh, early 70's might be pushing it. My first show was around 76' if I recall correctly

>>279801358 (OP)
It doesn't have that Icky stuff like most anime!

>>279801847
>but the first few episodes are cringe as fuck.
Shonentards deserve the rope

>>279811713

>>279813469
but they arent because the fanbase are sex pests that sexualize children instead

>>279815177
Frieren is a shonen manga from Weekly Shōnen Sunday

my extreme anime friend hates this show and thinks it's for tourists

>>279818347
your friend knows what he's talking about

>>279801358 (OP)
Fun things are fun, faggot OP.
It's been 12 years since I became a basement dweller and have watched almost every seasonal anime for 7 years straight and can assure you that Frieren is a good, comfy anime, no need to hate it because it got popular.

>>279808531
>comes to /a/ every day to seethe about FMA
>When will you FMAutists leave me alone and stop ruining my life?
holy meds

>>279819953
>have watched almost every seasonal anime for 7 years straight
is that supposed to be a good thing? your mind is warped and your perception of a good anime is skewed due to consuming too much slop.
>no need to hate it because it got popular
my favorite shows are popular, frieren is just boring

>>279819953
>it's good because it's comfy
This perspective has rotted the brains of the anime fandom

>>279809201
>There isn't really much for otaku
>Expect the fact that it's dragon quest clone no. #12424688974

>>279809108
Kill yourself NTR nigger

>>279820360
Funnily enough Frieren would be a lot better with some NTR thrown in

I like how Frieren is a great role model for ethnic nationalists here in the US. She'd be a great ICE officer.

>>279801358 (OP)
Nah, there aren't many shows like Frieren.

>>279808531
>Fact is that Brotherhood was complete shit and didn't hold up at all
This, unironically, it skips a lot of key scenes.

I've seen more anime than everybody ITT and I think Frieren is a fine show. I enjoyed watching it a lot. Great animation and art production values. The music was so-so, voice acting didn't stick out to me either. So, carried hard by its visuals, but overall had enjoyable characters. The plot did drag a little bit during the certification exam, but the high moments made up for it. The first three episodes were by far the show's strongest, and nothing else after really reached the same emotional high.

Not reading this thread full of opinions of people who have seen less anime than me. If you have seen over 1000 anime series reply and link me to your post, otherwise don't bother, you're not worth my time.

>>279820827
I've seen around 2500 shows at this point and Frieren is average at best

>>279801358 (OP)
That is not a reasonable assumption. You will find yourself surprised very often.

>>279811133
>hallucinates a strawman
look bud, just because I have a life and other hobbies doesn't make me not a fan of anime. I've been riding with this shit for almost 3 decades. Hype means nothing to me unless a show is personally interesting. For example, Demon Slayer season 1 was ass and I will not be watching beyond that. I come to my own conclusions.

>>279801358 (OP)
>>279801665
>op is a coward that wants to stir shit
What a surprise! But yeah, this anime was mid for me, but I can see why SOL fans would like it.

>>279801358 (OP)
Fuck off, faggot. I liked Frieren and I've been watching anime for 30 years.

>>279821979
>only 30 years
is that supposed to be a flex?

>>279822031
Listen here grandpa, I don't care that you watched Astro Boy when it was airing on Japanese TV.

>>279801358 (OP)
I've watched more anime than your Mom has sucked dicks.

Frieren is great, and your Mom needs to swallow.

>>279801358 (OP)
>Studio Madhouse
>Animation Producer of One Punch Man (S1)
>Director of Bocchi the Rock
>Composer of Violet Evergarden
>Key animators from Mob Psycho 100
>Vercreek cuts just because
>Almost entirely 2d

The production is like an /a/ wishlist and you're a faggot if you cannot understand why it's liked by such a broad range of people

>>279822720
>literally nothing to do with the story and writing of the show
at least you admit you enjoy it for superficial reasons, you're better than most i'll give you that

What will this retard do after Season 2? does he know that the next arc is even better?

>>279808531
>and stop ruining my life
The one ruining your life is yourself

>>279822761
yawn

>>279801358 (OP)
I didn't really like the anime that much, I prefer the manga, the fights going from fast and mostly calculated to ufotable slop was such a downgrade.

>>279811973
UBEL SEX!

>>279822761
>What will this retard do after Season 2?
Going to neck himself, S2 could easily be even better considering the same people are making it

>>279821905
>I can see why SOL fans would like it.
???
It's a battle shounen through and through after the first 3 episodes, why would SOL fans like it?

>>279823881
>SOL series

>>279824307
>It's a battle shounen through and through
I didn't finish it, but is it?
What I remember is them spending a lot of screen time doing stuff like going to a cafe, learning spells for making flowers, meeting old friends. Was that all in the first 3 episodes?

>>279801358 (OP)
I've watched anime since approx 1998 and It's my favorite anime of the last decade. But I am literally an ADDICT for this exact type of sickly sweet nostalgic melancholy.

If you would talk about Mono no Aware in reference to the anime chances are I would love it.

It's up there for me with Mushishi and Yokohama Shopping Log.

>>279824443
>but is it?
No they obviously haven't read it.
S2 will mostly be a drama with a bigger piece of action towards the end

>>279824504
>>279823881
>30% sol
>70% shounen

>>279811479
Log horizon has better writing than Frieren.

Let me guess this you?

>>279825712
i like all of the anime depicted in this
what are you going to do about it, tough guy

>>279825712
Replace all of those with just Naruto then it'd be accurate

>>279825572
Frieren isn't the kind of story that's about 'good writing'. It's a slow paced journey where you smell the roses and feel sad about stuff. Saying "it has bad writing" when barely anything happens is like complaining the opera's plot is hard to follow.

You have been filtered by a product never meant for you.

>>279825572
dbz and naruto threads are just a click away, friendo

>>279825952
>heh, you can't say my favorite series's writing is bad... if I declare it has NO WRITING to begin with!

>>279825712
Okay but Mushishi and Beserk ARE really good.

>>279826013
Quiet, child. Growing old and watching your friends die is something you can't understand yet. Let the adults enjoy show about watching the kids follow in your footsteps. Come back in 15 years when you aren't a virgin. And if you are a virgin, then you will now be an Arch-wizard and can turn me into a newt.

>>279825952
Yeah, putting it this way, it is a product meant for children and teenagers. My bad.

>>279826042
>Growing old and watching your friends die
Ummm sweaty, Frieren is a battle shounen

>>279826098
>:(

>>279801358 (OP)
I think the series would be better if they killed off the main cast and followed an actual group of adventurers.

I'm 35 years old and I've watched well over 1000 anime TV series and movies from pretty much every decade. I've also read around 400 different manga. The Frieren manga is mediocre, but the anime elevates the source material to such heights, thanks to its brilliant storyboard and direction, that it becomes a genuine 9 out of 10. SnK was pretty good up until the basement reveal and then took a complete nosedive into total shit. FMA was never that great but it's a solid show for kids. If you actually care about what anyone else thinks about the content you enjoy, you're an insecure faggot and very likely brown.

>>279801358 (OP)
Tldr, I watched +2k anime and Frieren is pretty good

>>279825712
>you can't enjoy good things!

I've watched about 5000 anime and out of all of them Frieren is my favorite

>>279826726

>>279801358 (OP)
It's the only series I have ever given a 10 to on MAL

Great show. I loved it

>>279826912

I mostly read manga maybe I have read too much c tier manga but I really don't see much wrong with Frieren. It's the kind of thing you read knowing it will be kind of slow and maybe a bit boring. It's not something I would feel the need to watch the adaption to either, some things are just better suited to reading in quiet and relaxing and Frieren is one of them.

fieren would be so good if it got a real one piece adaptation too

>>279801358 (OP)
I've watched a lot of anime and Frieren is remotely good, well, first season is. It does appear to be normiebait though but I don't mind having an anime I can actually recommend to people.

>>279807303
You smoked him.

>>279801358 (OP)
Frieren has all the marks of a great animu. A lolibaba protagonist and em SoL vibes. Anyone who's watched at least 4000+ animu know its true. Let the redditors like or hate it. If you watched less you wouldnt know it.

>>279829818
Frieren is not a lolibaba.

>>279829818
Frieren is not a SoL.

Thread died so I'm posting my reply here.
>>279827012
In anime the stakes have to keep rising, and the heroes keeping up with them, but the problem with Frieren is that she was already OP from the start. This wasn't revealed until later so it creates inconsistencies in the story from before the reveal took place. We aren't expected to believe Frieren suddenly got mega powerful within the time frame of a few years, either.
Frieren shouldn't have become a tournament arc in its second cour. The second cour feels like an entirely different show and isn't nearly as interesting as the first.

>>279826042
I dunno, I haven't seen the show but those two companions in OPs image don't look that old.

>>279826671
>The Frieren manga is mediocre
The art is middling, the fights aren't very well fleshed out, but I don't dislike the world it constructs or the way the characters in it look. The story beats that envoke the sense of melancholy, the gentle sadness over the passing of others, and the larger theme of remeberence; the little things that elevate Frieren's Undertaking from something that stands out as a AotY to a AotD, they are to be found in the manga as well.

>>279831057
Her being overpowered isn't the point of the story, though.

>>279831057
>overpowered
>gets mogged by one old man

>>279808666
>>279812592
my hype went up and down equally fast

>>279833873

>>279831107
No, they are young people and the main character is Frieren someone who is old yet still looking to grow, shaped by memory and the loss of people important to her. She has essentially already reached the pinnacle of her field and defeated the Demon Lord, for her it's about mentoring the young people and learning to open up.

The presence of young people is important to provide a lens between Frieren's flashbacks to her old party as a contrast. It can show how she is changing and growing while providing sweet moments.

>>279801358 (OP)
It's not just Frieren. Most people watching anime today only care about how good the animation is. Even the ones who claim they like the story are mostly just parroting what they read on Reddit and never actually read the manga it is adapted from.

And as expected retards can only act like you're attacking the anime when it's obvious you're shitting on the nu-weebs sucking its dick nonstop.

>>279835390
Why does everyone hate Solo Leveling then?

>>279835406
>everyone

>>279801358 (OP)
Most anime is either harem shit, isekai shit, yuri shit, ecchi shit, power fantasy shit or some combination of the above.
Is frieren the best anime ever? No
Is it in the upper tier?
Yes

>>279835406
I don't hate it, but it is severely compromised by korean incel culture and lack of interesting female characters and the 80% middle of the series being really boring and predictable. It has a cool twist at the end, but the anime hasn't gotten that far. Solo Leveling is unironically Reincarnated as a Slime but for edgy young men who are mad they haven't had sex yet.
>infinite power scaling
>hero who has every type of power
>ever growing circle of allies with cool character designs
>political maneuvering that is resolved by the character being the only person on the planet not cartoonishly evil
>former enemies become allies
>magical computer guide
>video game interface in real life

The main difference is that Sun Jin Woo is a tiny manlet who becomes Chad and a darker tone, other than that it follows the same wish fulfillment mold that is well tread by plenty of other series. I mean he is literally cursed to work out every day, like come the fuck on, lol.

>>279806260
if 'everything' meant pandering to losers, sure

>>279811973
People say the anime is comfy but then I remember that one webm where this girl splits a guy in half for seemingly no reason. Is it full of edgy stuff like this? I kind of hate the idea

>>279836270
She did it because he told her to

>>279836403
You don't say "Oops overdid it a little" with a stone face after doing what she did. Still edgy

>>279836270
>People say the anime is comfy
It was until it isn't

>>279836678
So it gets like this later on. Thanks

>>279811617
2 is already one two many.
This thing should have never become a trope.

>>279836270
It was a mage exam where the guy has a super enchanted defensive cloak and the win condition is making him move with magic. Her spell of choice is a cutting spell. It's not really played for edge.

>>279801358 (OP)
Frieren owes me sex. And so do the two yuri girls in this show.

>>279836270
It wasn't just done for no reason, she is actually a psycho with an obsession for snipping things with scissors. In terms of mages, there's ones who understand the principles of the magic they use, and ones who don't have a clue (or care) and just do magic because they can.

She's the latter. And she's nuts. And she picked the one guy in the world who she can snip repeatedly because he's a master at making clones of himself. Very scary female

>>279801358 (OP)
ah shit, here we go again

>>279824504
>S2 will mostly be a drama with a bigger piece of action towards the end
Stop spewing bullshit out of your ass

>>279838424
SEX WITH UBEL

>>279839234
>t. didn't read the manga

>>279839269
I did, there's barely any drama and it's mostly power level wankery

>>279839284
please say it isnt true. i want semi-pointless wandering with interesting people popping in and our of the parties lives and teenage blushing and autistic elf relationship drama

t. anime only

>>279839284
even worse then

>>279839336
>please say it isnt true.
it isnt true.

>>279839132
/a/ loves frieren.

>>279801358 (OP)
I tried to watch it with an open mind but couldn't handle the first episode cringe and dropped it.

>>279839515
this and it's the worst type of cringe, boring cringe

>>279839549
Also, forgot to say I love solo levelling, dunno if you could tell

>>279841038
i mean, solo leveling is slop but it's still better than frieren.
can't say i respect your taste but at least you haven't reached the bottom of the barrel

>>279841115

>>279831057
>anime the stakes have to keep rising, and the heroes keeping up with them
This is only if you follow the classic battle shonen formula.

>>279801358 (OP)
Meh, I got a lot more enjoyment from reading dungeon meshi. Frieren felt way too by-the-numbers and uninspired. Like isekai, a well polished one but unoriginal nonetheless. To me, the whole internal struggle of the main character is just forceful sappiness/sentimentality. But I guess fans found it "deep and profound".

>>279842294
>Like isekai, a well polished one but unoriginal nonetheless.
Its not isekai.

>2 years later
>Frieren still mindbroke faggots here
Sasuga Frieren-Sama!