Thread 279949146

Why is it that whenever something in this show is even slightly criticized its fans have to badmouth some other shonen to defend it?

>I think the characters are kinda expressionless
>They are realistic! Not everyone needs to act like a cartoon retard like in One Piece*

It never seems like they genuinely like the work but just want to appear superior.

*pic related shows a realistic reaction to a violent attack.

>>279949146 (OP)
wtf are you talking about? frieren gets trashed 24/7 here with maybe 1 or 2 troons defending it via samefagging
and your thread is living proof of it

It's telling that in order to prop up their show, they have to compare it to bottom-of-the-barrel shounen brainrot like One Piece. Proves that the vast majority of friereniggers are just closeted shounenfags who don't watch/read anything else.

>>279949146 (OP)
Frieren is a shounen deconstruction so it is gonna be compared to other shounens

>>279949193
I'm speaking generally. And generally Frieren is not trashed 24/7 at all.

>>279949146 (OP)
>pic related shows a realistic reaction to a violent attack.
No? She's smiling because she got the dumb demon monologuing so hard her turned his back on her to allow her to turn the tables on him

Execute all weebs without trial

>>279949277
this, it also insist upon itself

>>279949146 (OP)
At least in the manga the characters aren't realistic but more so autistic. In any case that deadpan-ness is one of its charming qualities. Removing it would remove part of it's identity

>>279949146 (OP)
>>279949691
>oh no.. i am dying... whatever...
so deep

>>279949691
>In any case that deadpan-ness is one of its charming qualities.
When everyone is like this, charm turns into laziness.

>>279949775
There is absolutely nothing lazy about this production, quite literally the opposite.

>>279949146 (OP)
You will never be a real woman.

>>279949965
By laziness I meant lack of creativity. When everything is deadpan, nothing is.

>>279950225
So you admit they actually have deep and nuanced reactions

>>279950241
I admit they are one-dimensional boring robots.

Threads like this are the future of /a/. The whole catalogue will be this + generals. Let's face it, this board, and by extension this website is now unusable.

>>279949146 (OP)
>I think the characters are kinda expressionless
>Do you think they should be screaming...like in.....for example......... One Piece?
>reee strawman
??

>>279950241
They have deep and nuanced EMOTIONs despite many of them not directly expressing them and at some point you will get what one of main themes of the story is

>>279949146 (OP)
Best series in years, stay seething

>>279950595
>They have deep and nuanced EMOTIONs
>They
The interview focuses only on the MC. What is the deep and nuanced emotion that Fern in the OP's related pic expresses?

>>279951232
You can find that out by watching episodes 1-28 of Sousou no Frieren

>>279949775
But everyone isnt like it. Frieren and Fern are often, which fits perfectly with their character and backstory. But both are emotive quite often as well which gets completely ignored from this retarded argument.
Basically, yes there are a couple characters that shut out pain and emotion in battle. Especially the more autistic ones and demons. As they should. This isnt an honest complaint and deserves to be ridiculed.(And there are real complaints the show isnt perfect)

>>279949146 (OP)
I agree with you OP. That scene bothered me as well. Technically there is a short moment of her wincing when Lugner pushes her but it's a blink and you'll miss it moment.

>>279950595
Link to the full interview?

>>279951232
The deep and nuanced emotion of
>YOU DIDN'T BUY ME A BIRTHDAY PRESENT YOU FUCKER I'LL KILL YOU REEEEEE
PAP PAP PAP PLAM PLAM BAP BAP BAP BAP
>stark suffers

>>279951370
2deep4u huh anon?

>>279951232
And don't forget the classic
>YOUR FIRM RIGHT HAND SCARED ME
Truly she is something

>>279949146 (OP)
Really only Fern and the elves are overbearingly stoic, and the long-lived elves are pretty self explanatory. The other characters might be more reserved than the average story, but they do show emotion in situations that call for it or just aren't given enough screen time for that chance to come up.
That reaction to a violent attack is in line with Fern's character, but I just wish the series better established why she acts that way. Was is being a war orphan? Stunted by Heiter's upbringing? Adopting Frieren's mannerisms unconsciously? Did Frieren train or encourage her to be calm and reserved? Does Fern have an opinion on how distant she is from others, does she think there's something wrong with herself? The series does fucking nothing to explain it, even though it could be really interesting and tie into Frieren's own development and regrets.

>>279953106

https://shinseiki.blog/2024/04/07/saito-hata-interview-frieren/

>>279951384
>there are a couple characters that shut out pain and emotion in battle.
There are a couple of characters that show some pain or emotion. Ftfy. Everyone else is apathetic. You just used vague arguments.

>>279949146 (OP)
>badmouth some other

This is close-minded fanboy behavior 101. It's deflection because they can't think of good arguments or ways to defend something, incapable of challenging their ideas. It's moving goalposts and trying to push others to have to do all the "proving".
>X is the best thing ever!
>no, actually X has problems A, B and C
>oh really? what do you think is better?
>well Y does it better
>but Y is shit, prove it's better!
>etc

This behavior runs rampant across 4chan as a whole when it comes to excessive fanboyism and close-mindedness. It's why genuine discussion rarely, if ever, happens.

>>279953519
Thanks, anon

>>279953348
bro, you have to watch anime to understand it. Why do you watch a tiktok clip and expect someone to explain it 4u? lol.

>>279949146 (OP)
please pay attention to what youre watching. That's just how FERN reacts. That's how she is

>>279953504
>The other characters might be more reserved than the average story
Don't do that, don't use the "It's not your typical shonen" defense.
>That reaction to a violent attack is in line with Fern's character
Being stoic and not feeling pain are two very different things.

>>279953504
It makes no sense for Fern to be the way she is when she was raised by Heiter. If anything she should've been more open and emotional while Stark was more stoic since he was trained/raised by a stoic dwarf.

>>279953643
>It's not your typical shonen" defense.
The people making the show practically say this though. They think the writing is good enough that they don't need to over exaggerate everything to get the emotion across (like they do with typical a shonen).
Obviously very conscious choices, which clearly worked.

>>279953643
>Don't do that, don't use the "It's not your typical shonen" defense.
How about you calm the fuck down and stop jumping to conclusions? Frieren is a shonen, it even had a tournament arc to lazily force conflict and introduce a bunch of new characters. But it does stand out from many other shonens with its reserved characters, that's not praise or criticism either. In the manga the art is so stiff and boring that the characters come off as autistic, but the anime is a huge improvement.

Fern is so pretty

S2 preview

>>279953775
>over exaggerate everything to get the emotion across
The characters don't behave realistically or like people. People are emotional creatures and having so many of them be doorknobs creates a disconnect and breaks immersion and believability.

Think about how different people behave at school, at work or something. Most of them aren't as subdued and characters like Fern come across like robots.

>>279949146 (OP)
>*acts like a faggot*
>are you perhaps a faggot?
>How dare you assume that?! It's a strawman. I won't explain why I acted like a faggot. I'll however be outraged at how you dared to assume that of me.
Is this behavior in rise across 4chan? I think it's a new form of shitposting. An evolution of the old "pretending to be retarded".

>>279953679
It absolutely makes sense because when Heiter found her she was about to kill herself, I think she was like 9 years old or something, and she only spent 5 years with him. She was already emotionally stunned by that point. She has been with Frieren far longer than the time she spent with Heiter

>>279953504
Well there is a cope explanation that emotional self control is tied to magic control, which also means that Kanne and Lawinne are hopeless, kek

>>279953679
>she was raised by Heiter. If anything she should've been more open and emotional
people that are raised by the elderly are typically more calm and reserved.

>>279953520
>There are a couple of characters that show some pain or emotion
Heiter, Himmel, Kanne & Ubel are pretty much the only recurring emotive characters, maybe Sein but he's awkward as well.

>>279951384
Pretty much all recurring characters are stoic. I think 3/4 are war orphans as well.

>>279953985
If you think a person (a child) would be emotionally stunted like Fern after spending several years with someone emotional, kind and open and then travel the world interacting with all manner of people you're delusional and just making excuses.

This is even disregarding the fact that Fern is a bad character that is even MORE of a doorknob than Frieren, which the entire premise of the story is that she's a doorknob slowly becoming more human. It also makes the two very one note.

Stark is an infinitely better and more interesting character and if not for him their group would be miserable to follow.

>>279949146 (OP)
Have you considered that having Lugner's hot, stiff blood inside you might feel good?

>>279954157
Although Serie is my favorite girl, Ubel is my favorite human, because her propensity for penis snipping is terrifying and it turns me on tbqh

>>279954157
>Heiter, Himmel, Kanne & Ubel
Sein is a based kind of awkward, and there are others. Starrk, Gorilla, Wirbel, the water/ice girls, and Methode. Even for demons Aura was expressive. I'm an anime only but Solitar likes to show emotion even if it is fake.

>>279954355
When a literal nobody like Aura sticks with the fanbase because they actually emote and come across as a real character, you know your series is filled with the blandest shit.

>>279954301
as long as she's wearing that outfit, I can't imagine anything capable of cutting my cock

>>279949146 (OP)
Because almost every single criticism levied against Frieren as a series is rooted in bad faith.
Nobody actually wants to discuss the series' flaws, and even if you genuinely do most will (justifiably) disregard the criticism due to all the bad faith surrounding it.

>>279953932
>The characters don't behave realistically or like people. People are emotional creatures
The funny thing is you are actually talking about a really core aspect of the story yet you cannot see the message and how this relates to the chracters for the life of you. It's not complicated either, it's pretty basic stuff
>Saito has described Frieren not as a series about her discovering human feelings, but rather finding out that she always had them
This is like maximum spoonfeeding now

>>279954230
>WHY ISNT THE CHARACTER ACTING LIKE HOW *I* WANT THEM TO ACT?? THIS MAKES NO SENSE BECAUSE IN MY HEAD SHE'S SUPPOSED TO BE ONE WAY BUT SHES NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>279953985
It doesn't matter how stunted she was. Take a blood spear through your body and you will feel pain.

>>279954470
I think there are lewd reasons why Aura sticks with the fanbase

>>279954470
>Aura sticks with the fanbase because they actually emote
kek
She sticks out because she got humiliated so hard, not emoting.

>>279955234
>world with unbelievably powerful magic and demons
>the one thing anon takes issue with is the fact that the female characters can control their emotions
kek. I know it's far fetched but please suspend your disbelief.

>>279955342
People expect characters to act in a way that feels natural to the scene. It's as simple as that.
Here's an actual good depicton of it.

>>279955601
lawine is so underrated

>>279956175
This

>>279949146 (OP)
People wouldn't like Frieren if Fern was a sassy fat black lady and Frieren a midget with freckles.

>>279949146 (OP)
>*pic related shows a realistic reaction to a violent attack.
Damage is just tanked differently in Frieren. Stark got his eye slashed and didnt show any sort of reaction to it.

Frieren characters are just built differently

>>279956335
It wasn't the eye though. And warriors are incredibly strong. Nothing suggested that was the case for mages.

>>279951232
>>279953643
Mages are snipers. Let's say you've the assassin of Bill Clinton. Would the guy be emoting and not focusing on aim?
Fern is in a combat situation. Clearly, the intention is that she's hiding the pain in order to talk to the demon. That frame in question could show it better though she winces in the next frame. Overall, it's difficult to say what's realistic in a fight with tentacles and superhumans who talk while fighting.
I see examples like Aura >>279954355 and >>279956278 brought up.
Aura has a passive ability that lets her control an army. Of course, the one who's a sniper in a combat situation would be emoting less than the hag with the passive ability. The second situation has someone who probably got btfo'd and flailed. That's also a situation where you'd emote more than Fern when trying to stay in combat, for different reasons.

fug I meant to quote >>279955601

>>279956669
>Lugner got a hole blasted right in the center but is more concerned about remembering Frieren than writhing in pain
>Denken took a blast to the face which depleted his entire mana but only showed signs of pain when Frieren stepped on him
>Same happened with Ehre
I just assume magic on magic interactions doesnt cause as much pain as a physical attack would.

>>279956972
>Clearly, the intention is that she's hiding the pain in order to talk to the demon
In doesn't matter what your intention might be, if I impale you, you will react. It's subconsicious.

>>279955273
Humiliating her wouldn't have worked or stuck with the fanbase if she didn't emote. Imagine all the Aura memes with a deadpan, emotionless Aura. It doesn't work.

>>279953929
Filthy whorish fuckpigs

>>279957210
That sounds hilarious

>>279956335
>Frieren characters are just built differently
Yeah, they are built like shitty characters

>>279954157
Himmel and Ubel may not have the apathetic, deadpan look but they're really not emotive when they show only one expression almost the entire time.

>>279957198
It almost seems like you want this anime to be like Made in Abyss where they find little kids gelled up in canisters and torture the MCs in combat, like Stark's arms getting ripped off piece by piece or some shit like that. That's just antithetical to the vision of the show. This is not a ryona. Go watch Re:zero if you want to see the characters in unbelievable pain all the time

>>279949146 (OP)
It's perfectly possible to be subtle, realistic and stoic without reducing your characters to a bunch of Kristens Stewarts, guys. Stop trying to justify lazy presentation.

>>279958028
The anime is not lazy, that is just the intent at least with some characters. Now the manga is really fucking lazy.

>>279949146 (OP)

I´ve never seen anyone make those claims. Frieren explains elves are not prone to showing emotion and Fern is explained to be apathetic about most things. Like she studied magic but had no real interest in it, travels on a journey that has little to do with her, doesn´t really care about all the magic junk Frieren picks along the way, and only took the exam because Frieren told her to because she knew Serie wouldn´t pass her.

In any case Frieren clearly can´t see this is abnormal as she has problems understanding people. Fern also has an interest in Stark so she behaves differently toward him (but since he has the emotional maturity of a kid he doesn´t notice either way).

I believe the audience is meant to notice this even if the characters themselves do not acknowledge it.

Ever wonder why peytheretard only ever compares frieren to demon slayer/sololeveling/jjk? Almost like all these frierentards ever watch are shonen but have to justify this superiority complex with this particular show

>>279959149
what show do you watch? why don't you say what show you want to be compared instead of being evasive and passive-aggressive?

>>279959149
idk anon but have you seen gagUK's lastest vid it was so kawaaii desu, by the way do you have a favorite e-celeb i really like the frieren shorts guy what's his name agian? want to talk more maybe you can add me on insta!

>>279949146 (OP)
Friren zoomers are mentally ill and have barely watched any other anime so of course they need to drag other anime down

>>279949146 (OP)
Frierenfags are some of the most insecure faggots I have seen kek. Few days back someone was unironically claiming Frieren hate posts are made by "Israeli shills" hired by Sony because of a botched deal or something like that, it's hilarious.

>>279959235
Why does that matter? The issue here is the fanbase being pretentious and insufferable, not a matter of taste.

You think toxic behavior can't be called out unless the other side has "good taste" ?

>>279959730
You're complaining that someone used demon slayer for a comparison, but you don't propose an alternative. "instead of demon slayer, I'd prefer to compare it to X instead"
All you do is be evasive. You never contribute to the conversation. You never do anything. You're toxic. That's toxic.

>>279949146 (OP)
solo leveling won so who cares

>>279959607
You realize the annoying bit is not you complaining about frieren, but making this same stupid thread every single day and talking to yourself right? How much of the catalogue is threads like this? Feels like most of it at this point. This isn't funny or "trolling", it's just downright malicious and schizophrenic harassment. I've been here for 21 years and this is the most unfun and plastic feeling /a/ has ever been. I don't like coming here at all any more.

>>279949146 (OP)
>I think the characters are kinda expressionless
They are. I have no good answer. outside of the elves are stoic becouse they are old, and fern is raised by an old guy, and later an elf. The one piece strawman is there to save face by people who cant come to the above conclusion, but understand that the point of the criticism is that "frieren is a bad show" when they (and i) think it isnt

>>279960441
>The one piece strawman is there to save face by people who cant come to the above conclusion
Why would anyone other than OP type out some stupid fart huffing shit like this

>>279960489
i wrote above becouse i mistakenly assumed that my answer "of the elves are stoic becouse they are old, and fern is raised by an old guy, and later an elf." would be above the "above conclusion" message. I apologize anon.

>>279960441
>They are.
We have a conflict, then. Because many here think that they are not and that some viewers cannot read the subtletititititititites.

>>279960238
I'm not OP, you schizo. Why are you so insecure kek?

>>279959235
Since you ask, Yoshiyuki Tomino shows are a great point of comparison specifically because the "subtle and realistic expressions" defense actually applies in their case.

>>279954729
That's what we call an unbalanced cast.

>>279949277
>"deconstruction"
Is it tho? Those fantasy tropes are played pretty straight

Anyone who says having a straight face every second of every day is normal is insane.

>>279962449
>strawman
no one said that, retard

i must buy this

>>279949146 (OP)
Fern is autistic. Stark who is not has different reactions to violent attacks.

>"Frieren has no fanservice guys."
Meanwhile 80% of the fanbase are closeted gooners

>>279960238
4chan has gone to absolute shit. I have no idea why I come here any more.

Never seen a single Frierenfag who isn't a pride month enjoyer.

>>279949146 (OP)
Why does Frieren get so many utterly disingenous criticisims?

Why can't you just say "Some of the characters are expressionless" or "The mages are often expressionless"

The idea that Stark, Himmel, Heiter, Denken, Ubel, Wirbel, Kanne, Lawine, etcetc are "expressionless" is utterly ridiculous.

>>279951232
>What is the deep and nuanced emotion that Fern in the OP's related pic expresses?
We have an entire fucking plotline about how Fern feels like the drive to become a mage worthy of Heiter burned up all her passion and drive.

She lives mostly for Frieren's sake, and (thanks to Stark mostly) she's slowly breaking out of that shell and getting more emotional.

Is it so difficult to just read the words on the page?

>>279949146 (OP)
Stay mad Burrito faggot.
It's the first good anime in like 15 years.
15 years of pure fucking slop and we have gotten one good anime.

so yeah, you deserve to be shit talked faggot.
it's a good show.

>>279964033
Oh okay, so her ideals and past make her learn to not feel pain? I see.

kek Your excuses are as ridiculous as the scene.

>>279964089
I bet you call Death Note seinen.

>>279949146 (OP)
Schizo post

>>279964747
She feels pain in the next frame. Case closed.