>Look at Aura’s tears. She looks redeemable,

>Why did Frieren order Aura to kill herself?

>Why didn’t Frieren order Aura to feed the poor humans with potatoes and nurse the sick humans back to health?

>She could’ve been a Good demon like Piccolo and Macht,

>What a waste of demon pussy.

>>281282276 (OP)
Fuck demons, kill all demons
TDD

>>281282276 (OP)
>Turns into black dust after dying
Not organic, not biological, horny faggots should shut the fuck up, Frieren was right.

>>281282276 (OP)
-Frieren is the most vehement demon slayer in existence, and believes wholeheartedly that demons have 0 irredeemable qualities

- When fighting Macht, she admits that the small possibility exists that a demon can overcome their biological wiring, but isn't willing to consider the sacrifice required.

-Yet when teaching Fern/Stark, she constantly alludes to Himmel, who is on record stating that anything is possible, even overcoming one's biological limitations no matter the difficulty (aka him not being the destined hero). It's clear what the writer is TELLING the readers, but there are plenty enough examples contradicting those words that present significant issues with the stories theming that bring up doubts about the story's quality.

The criticism is that despite constantly TELLING readers that demons are verbatim 'pure evil' and 'cannot change their nature' through multiple avenues including Frieren, narrative voices, and even the demons themselves, we are shown multiple examples contradicting this. This is a moral dilemma specifically because Frieren's argument for eradicating demons is predicated on the fact that demons are pure evil/irredeemable. The argument is that if demons are in fact not pure evil (which we have reasons and evidence to doubt) then it is a problematic philosophy that the story is presenting as justice, with troubling real world implications given how popular Frieren is. It's not an argument that humans should seek to coexist with demons, nor an argument about how demons are actually good people, it's a stance that eradication of a race that isn't irredeemable, even if they're mostly morally reprehensible, should be met with disquiet instead of fanfare.

>>281282373
autism

>>281282276 (OP)
>>281282327
Demons are consistently said to use faking empathy/emotion as a survival tool/tool to trick humans to kill them. Yet in chapter 72 we see a young demon actively ask for Revolte's approval, despite being unaware of any humans around, including Genau who ends up killing him. When Macht is in his last death throes, he literally goes to see Gluck despite the human offering 0 survival utility. This directly contradicts what we've been told, and there are a few other examples of demons acting with emotion against their survival even when there are 0 humans around (or at least to the demons' knowledge).

Another reason demons are said to be absolute evil is that they are biologically incapable of having a moral compass and also biologically incapable of feeling human emotions. Except of course at the end of the El Dorado arc Frieren herself admits that this is not an absolute truth, despite the constant drivel from both characters and the narrator. An actual example is that demons believe it wrong and disgraceful to hide one's mana level, showing clear ability to distinct right from wrong, which directly implies they would be wholly capable of adopting

When put into context of Frieren's interactions with Fern and Stark, points 1 and 2 start to conflict heavily with the themes surrounding her journey and especially Himmel's entire character.

>>281282373
>believes wholeheartedly that demons have 0 irredeemable qualities
You heard it even from the demon hater, frieren believes that all demon qualities are redeemable.

I hope Serie survives the next new chapters.

>>281282645
she will

>>281282405
This entire discussion is moraltroon slop. they've been in a war of annihilation with demons for hundreds of years. What would it even matter if the demons can feel le sad? kill them all

>>281282645
Why wouldn't she? she's stronger than frieren.

People only read/watch Frieren for the girls, and only because the girls are hot. Nobody cares about their morals or personality and the good guys are pretty ruthless, uncaring and violent at times, so ultimately Aura should have lived on the basis that she's hot because that's the only thing that matters both in the narrative and to the readers.

>>281282816
That would Diminish Frieren as a character since nonchalantly ryonaing a hot girl makes Frieren hotter

Frieren was such a bully.
What wrong had Aura personally done to her?

>>281282276 (OP)
Frieday you say?

>>281282726
Can't win over bad writing, sadly. Or well, writing, but in this case.

>>281282395
It's a LLM not autism

Love demons. Protect demons. Marry demons. Procreate with demons. Make a family with demons. Tuck a demon into bed. Compliment pretty demons. Praise a demon's cooking. Take demons to the beach. Teach demons about human emotions. Cook demons a hot pot. Bail demons out of jail. Gift grimoires to a demon. Cook a demon breakfast. Put a demon's hair up in pigtails. Pay a demon's taxes. Give demons a weekly allowance. Dry hump demons. Save demons from knife-ears. Kiss demons. Cuddle demons. Clean and lubricate demon's horns regularly. Bridal carry demons. Spoonfeed demons grilled humans. Take demons out to dinner. Give demons a hot shower. Demons will sometimes get their horns stuck on doors (this is inevitable). Remind demons to be careful when going outside. Show demons how cool you are. Total demon life.

>>281284517
the act of posting it is autismic

>>281282325
fpbp

I like Fern

>>281282276 (OP)
Just imagine she's black

>>281282276 (OP)
Listen here retard OP.
There's a difference between feeling sorry for what you've done and feeling sorry for your self when you get caught and punished.
Demons can't do the former no matter how much you pretend they can.
Now fuck off imbecile.

>>281286490
Shut up Stark

>>281282276 (OP)
>Frieren Friday
>Aura pic
Unironically

>>281284555
Penis head

>>281282276 (OP)
total demon tongue cleaning

This pasta is fucking stale since forever ago. Anyway, Auru was a fucking cunt. A useless, depraved, monster cunt. Her tears don't redeem her because she was only afraid for her life. There was nothing to do with remorse concerning her emotional state and this is universal of all demon scum like her. I hope her soul descended into a nightmare cluster fuck of rape and anal birth within the lowest fathoms of hell. Seriously, fuck Aura.

>>281282276 (OP)
She wasn't the demon who most needed to survive that arc.

>>281282276 (OP)
Aura and the other demons are the only good things that came out of this faggot show

>aura, become a loving and caring mother to 6 of my children

>>281282276 (OP)
Why didn't Frieren tell Aura to kill herself by doing some totally wicked stunt?

>>281288950
And then she pull their guts out through their assholes for the fun of it.

>>281282645
Her surviving would make the last 15 chapters of wall to wall death flags and warrior glazing a completely pointless waste of time
And it's not like she serves much of a purpose to the story, which is all about how time moves on, the world progress and things change whether you want it to or not.

are we ever getting our time spanning philosophical romance back or is it straight shonen slop from here on out?

>>281282276 (OP)
I really like Aura.

Fatso

>>281289193
Serie specifically chose first class mages whose requests surprised her because she believes they can figure out the answer she cannot. And while you're correct in identifying the change as the theme of the series, in this case the change is not Serie dying, but her ways proving infrior to the more peaceful mage generation as Flamme foretold and Serie herself is starting to accept. The ultimate bounty of the arc is not defeating the assassins but managing to resolve things peacefully.

>>281290162
>her ways proving infrior to the more peaceful mage generation as Flamme foretold and Serie herself is starting to accept that
Yeah I mean if this story has told me anything is that Flamme won't end up being the one that is wrong. Serie will very likely come to accept Flamme's philosophy (and by extension Frieren's) is right.

I still wouldn't be surprised if they put her through some near death experience, because this is typically a catalyst for change and it would mean that all the death baiting and talking up of warriors wasn't completely disingenuous writing.

>>281290503
She doesn't need a catalyst. She is already changing. Right now, she gave the newgen a chance.

>>281282276 (OP)
She said the H word

>>281288964
>putting care into how demons die instead of going for the most efficient and pragmatic choice

imagine aura pissing herself and Stark drinking it

>>281290552
>She is already changing. Right now, she gave the newgen a chance.
Her relationship with Frieren is still shit, it's probably the most important one of this arc considering how much of it is about Flamme's legacy.

It's unresolved and stuck in bitchy playground antics for the next 1000 years unless something changes. It just feels like something significant will happen to bring about such change.

Never watched this show so I can judge impartially.
The stoic elf girl should have gotten the hot demon to eat her asshole, the murder afterwards is optional.

>>281282816
It's a shame the narrative isn't up to par with the high quality animation of the show.

>>281282276 (OP)
I'm not sure which I prefer. Images in which Aura loses and Frieren forces her into acts, or images in which Frieren loses and Aura forces her into acts. Seemingly there's a lot of futa Frieren domming Aura, but when it comes to Frieren being controlled, it's usually her sucking off animals.

Aura I order you to not kill or harm any humans from now on

Has anybody been able to refute why this wouldn't work yet?

>>281291692
They specifically show how this doesnt work during the macht arc
God why are demon simps so fucking retarded

>>281282645
she will goldeaze the whole capital.

Frieren deep down is a sadist to demon's kind:

She kills Qual by using Zoltraak, the spell he invented.
She kills Draht by severing his neck, the same thing he initially intended to do to her.
She kills Aura by mindcontrolling her and making her slice her own neck, the same way she killed thousands of heroes.

>>281291892
She love it

>>281282645
>>281289193
>>281290162
>>281290503
Serie is going to kill the head of the magic SS and she's going to try to kill the Emperor and start a war. All the death flags will be a fakeout for the wrong characters.

>>281291892
You don’t know what sadism is

>>281291996
>Serie will destroy Flamme's legacy and bring about total war to the continent resulting in Frieren failing to accomplish any of her objectives

Yeah im sure that's going to happen in this power of friendship shonen manga

>>281282327

>still getting official art over dozens of other characters
Why has Aura had such enduring popularity?

>>281291892
>She kills Draht by severing his neck, the same thing he initially intended to do to her.
Holy shit, I never realized this. Pretty epic desu

>>281292275
>getting art
>it's just old art with a poorly photoshoped stand before her

>>281282325
>Fuck demons
especially aura
delicious aura

>>281288845
so you're still reeling from that girl in highschool who made fun of you lol

aura is the shinka nibutani of demons

>>281292720
>old art
It's new art though

>>281293138
and then frieren says "sike" and inserts her futa dick in aura's mouth instead

>>281293586
why is there so much futa porn of Frieren anyway

>>281293646
There is just alot of Frieren porn in general

>>281293862
its seems like every other one her and fern both have thick veiny futa cocks

>>281282405
You minsunderstoood, it's more their nature than a reasoned tactic, hence why they will do those things sometimes even when logically it might not be the best choice.

Cuckoo chicks don't kill the host bird chicks as part of a conscious dastardly plot, it's just their nature, pure instinct.

they had a chance to make demons interesting, like they're some sort of Chinese Room that just parrots human speech believably, without actual comprehending it. but they communicate with each other using speech and sip tea out of cups like proper nobles and all the rest that ruins it.
in short the demons are really poorly planned/introduced in the show and are just not interesting. i don't give a damn about them because it's so inconsistent.

i'm only interested in aura

>>281294335

>>281294335
i'm only interested in Linie, but they're both dead so needless to say we are not eating good

>>281282276 (OP)
Should have ordered her to be breeding sow to help strengthen ningen with half demon human babies and help further strengthen positive bonds between humans and demons.

>>281294389
>>281294335
They're hanging out in Aureole together

Why do I get the feeling that the one autist constantly complaining about demons is the same autist that shitposts about that one scene from FMA?

>>281282276 (OP)
Why didn't Frieren order Aura to become her personal sex slave? Was she stupid?

>>281294427
do demons go to heaven? any manga readers wanna chime in?

>>281291692
Year two of posting this award

>>281294473
If they behave themselves

>>281294454
frieren already has a sex slave

>>281282373
Except, I guess, Macht. And I don’t mean when he was sitting in the golden land being almost invulnerable. He spent DECADES being a major part part of the city’s ruling structure and Frieren was….where, exactly? Doing what? What was more important to her during that time than eliminating THE largest demon threat in the country? DECADES. Serie has an excuse, she’s just not that concerned with demons in general so when Macht was playing nice she wouldn’t have any pressing reason to go deal with him. But this is not Frieren. For some reason she didn’t bother hunting Macht.

>>281282373
is it because they're "evil" or because they're predators of humanity (and other humanoids, like the elves).
humanity on earth has no natural predator because of his technological prowess. even though we are no match for a bear or lion without a tool. but demons use magic and even though humans know magic, demons tend to be better at it, because they live longer and are mad specialists (like insects, another interesting parallel the show refuses to draw).
i think that was flammes point, it doesn't matter if they are "evil" or even if they are not human, it's that they choose to make humans their prey and for that reason they must be eradicated.

>>281294817
"Predator" isn’t exactly correct. Frieren is a (native) isekai. The word "demon" is the common translation for Mazoku (lit. "evil tribe"). As such they are like NPCs in s JRPG which the usual source for isekai settings. Mazoku don’t attack humans because the have a biological requirement to do so. It’s simply their NPC setting says they attack humans so that’s what they’re programmed by

>>281295189
Aura I order you to not attack humans

>>281295189
i dont think its a compelling line of argument to apply video game rules to Frierens narrative.

>>281295440
Anyone that uses that term should be automatically ignored.

Imagine Frieren in YYH and then she encounters Sensui who says it's the humans who are evil. That plus the revelation that Spirit World was manipulating everything to make themselves look good.

There's no good reason for demons to change. The only reason their survival was ever threatened was because the Demon King tried to change them and organized them into an army. For thousands of years they've been content to be solitary predators. Humanity feared them, but never saw them as some existential thread because they weren't one. They had no interest in wiping out their own snacks. And sure, occasionally the prey fights back and wins and the predator dies, but that's how it works in nature period.

>>281292933
That drawing of her is old though.

>>281294335
The only purposes she served was to get dunked on by Frieren.

>>281294749
She's not stupid and she knew she couldn't face him without a counter. She eventually found one via Denken, Lernen and Ehre.

>>281295440
Frieren is an isekai which explicitly uses video game rules.

>>281296397
Is isn't

>>281296472
Bull. Macht is in no way the equal of Frieren magically. She could have rolled up to him, popped her aura and told him to get lost, and he would have said "yes ma’am".

>>281296438
Frieren would never play for the shitty Spurs. She would be with the Nuggets and her and Jokic would compete for triple doubles every game.

What kind of material do you think Aura's outfit is made of?

>>281282276 (OP)
>Aura thread
I don't care if it's making fun of shitposters, I still love Aura

>>281282645
It would be lame if she died because of some human assassins

>>281296472
She tried to bait him into a fight before she even got to work on analizing Diagoldze. Frieren probably assumed she could put off dealing with him.

>>281296587
Fair, but Frieren doesn't go out of her way to go and fight demons usually. They just came onto Aura on the way to Ende and Frieren even gave her a chance to retreat.

>>281295504
which one? are you like, fragile or something? just refute the idea if it bothers you so much.

>>281296491
not really. aside from the rpg-like map there is nothing to suggest the show has to obey some meta rules that are familiar to gamers only. there are shows that are explicitly couched in videogame-like settings and rules; Aparida for example, or that trash Solo Leveling. Frieren isn't that. it's essentially just a fantasy story.

>>281299430
native isekai obviously, but Frieren absolutely uses RPG party compostion logic with the classes and Frieren's world is clearly derived from fantasy worlds of yore, rather than historial records or period correct historial fiction.

>>281299688
there's nothing particularly "historical" about the Lord of the Rings. a handful of very capable misfits sets out on a months or even years-old journey with no servants... no money... no baggage train... they just walk outta Rivendell with whatever they're carrying not much, does anyone even have a tent? and begin walking to Mordor... what, they don't have horses in this world? you're telling me a group of guys walking is less suspicious than a group of guys on horseback?
fantasy settings are not meant to be realistic. it's fine if Frieren has some esoteric rules like people are fighers or mages, and yeah it IS derived from fantasy worlds. because it's a fantasy series. one derived from Tolkein obviously, and sure it draws ideas from video games, without turning into one itself.

maybe if Fern were livestreaming, or writing a blog, i would say "yeah it's a video game world" but none of that happens. i would submit the closest thing to a video-game device is Fern's map.

>>281297779
Sexo cloth

>>281294157
t. jew

>>281300086
Made for brutal headpats

>>281299821
>fantasy settings are not meant to be realistic
Tolkien drew from myths, folklore, his religion and his own lived experience. LotR and many other works of fantasy are real world adjacent. Frieren just copies and pastes a non-descript fantasy world to have character driven stories take place in. If Serie or Himmel was actually born in modern Japan and then isekai'd into Frieren's world nothing would change. But in fantasy novels such as say A song of Ice and Fire, a lot of thought is put into the internal logic and consistency of the world. The world itself and the changing of the seasons in that story drives the plot as much as any of the characters do. I do like though that Frieren answers George Martin's famous question on whether their characters persue systemic annihilation against the designated evil beings. Not a lot of writers would answer yes to that question when posed in such a straightforward manner methinks.

>>281282276 (OP)
Frieren could have used her as her personal sex slave for centuries to come. Imagine Frieren commands Aura to eat her ass and pussy out every morning.

>>281300535
She can get a human like me to do it for free

>>281300297
Gurms books are fantasy no matter how many allusions to the realities of fighting a war or diplomatic maneuvering he inserts. Many of the characters are quite comical.
If we're talking books I'd recommend something like the Emberverse series; fantasy novels set in 1990s Earth after an event that stops high-density energy technology (gunpowder, steam engines) from working, sending humanity back into a serfdom-like existence.
Dies the Fire is the first one, and a pretty fun novel; they get more fantastical as they go on, but they are I think more grounded and realistic than Gurms stuff. The author did a lot of research. It blends mythic folklore with real history of the middle-ages.

>>281300297
Counterpoint: Bran Stark literally isekais himself into trees, Hodor, and God knows what else.

How much will they over animate this dbz tier fight S2?

>>281300864
It wouldn't be the same.
Frieren played a huge role in the demise of the demons. Aura has a reason to hate her. And just when Aura believes she has a chance to defeat her, everything gets turned upside down.
She is forced to be Frieren's servant; to orally please Frieren against her will.

Aura is also a pretty demon girl. If she doesn't swing that way, she still has to please another girl's pleasure points. Forced girl on girl action. Doesn't matter how much she hates it, her mouth and tongue is for Frieren to use. No longer having any control of her body, her brain can do nothing through a coping mechanism, in this case finding pleasure in giving pleasure to Frieren.

Month after month
Years go by
When doing nothing but giving oral pleasure
It would feel like an eternity

Nothing else to look forward to each day, Aura continues to endlessly lick and taste every inch of Frieren's body. At some point, she'd even be happy to serve Frieren as a toilet because her mind needs to find purpose in her existence. Every ounce of vaginal fluid that comes out of Frieren would be sucked and swallowed by Aura.
It just wouldn't be the same if it was any guy who would love to be in that position...

>>281293138
She just pees in her mouth instead

i love how dramatic Frieren's hair looks in this scene.

>>281301785
does anyone have webms of Fern/Stark fighting Lugner/Linie, they would be much appreciated, please and thank you.

>>281282405
>>281294011
>>281282748
Don't try to think about this shit because the writer 100% didn't, even when it break the whole "Demons faking empathy/emotion as a survival tool/tool to trick humans to kill them." thing

>>281301785
They really went above and beyond with that episode, I don't think anybody was expecting them to go that hard. It's a pretty brief fight in the manga and they hired a bunch of top freelancers to just draw some cool shit to flesh it out. Vercreek did this cut

>>281282276 (OP)
Posted it again award

>>281301656
Just the right amount

>>281296391
First time seeing Actor AU Art

>>281302650
Yeah they will give it the ep26 treatment

>>281282325
>Fuck demons
Way ahead of you

>>281282276 (OP)
Demons should be genocided

>>281282327
This, they are magical homunculi that are programmed to kill by their own magical nature. Human Nature = rational behavior, Demon Nature = killing people.

>>281282276 (OP)
why do people care so much about this nothing-burger character?
just because she's a little cute? it's not like her design is amazing or anything, she's pretty much irrelevant.

>>281303380
>she's pretty much irrelevant.
i missed the part where that's my problem

>>281303380
It's a combination of character design, being part of an iconic scene and memes
So it's not really surprising to me

Also she's more popular with Japanese fans than western audiences

>>281303380
It's like one of hose things that gets some popularity and then people flock to it because it's popular.

throwing aura into a timeloop just hours before she is defeated by frieren and has to relive that experience until she gets too depressed to even try

can demons orgasm? this is very important for my research.

preview for next ch from mag
>A shadowy warrior plotting Serie's assassination.
>While dancing, Fern and Stark catch sight of the shadow.
>Beneath the surface of the ballroom, the battle intensifies—
>The tale continues, where countless deadly fates cross paths!

>>281304850
>where countless deadly fates cross paths
Does this mean someone will actually die?

>>281282276 (OP)
demons get what they deserve.

>>281304850
>>281304934
It has a colour double page too, probably Fern and Stark dancing again

>>281305112
>probably Fern and Stark dancing again
What's the fucking point? They danced once, we get it.

>>281305270
Have you ever heard of callbacks and fanservice ?

>>281305297
The whole dance is a callback, if it gets colored pages then it's clearly fanservice, though as a fan I don't give 2 shits about their relationship.

Any chance we'll get some more flashbacks soon? Those were often the heart of the series.

i want to dance with aura

>>281306110
they should be photographing Frieren in a bikini while Himmel uses a hose to spray lube all over her

Yooo is that heckin Ironmouse??

>>281292694
Anon, she kills Qual by his own spell, Draht by severing his neck and Aura using her spell and also in a manner Aura herself killed. She clearly and obviously enjoys murdering demons by their own weapons if at all possible.

Given Serie's personality I wonder why there haven't been at least a few demons in the Mage Association? If one shows up with an interesting magic and a willingness to play nice she seems like she wouldn't say no.

when will we find out who is singing the season 2 OP/ED?

>>281309667
More important question is: will there be another, more complete trailer before january or nah?

>>281309812
there has to be, and it would include a snippet of the OP

>>281282325
racist pos