Thread 281298820

SEA and latambros.........it's our time

https://automaton-media.com/en/news/not-all-manga-has-to-be-from-japan-major-manga-publisher-kadokawa-looks-for-new-manga-artists-overseas-amidst-labor-shortage/

Two piece will be real
Screencap this

If we IP banned those regions would low quality screenshot threads vanish overnight?

>>281299138
>India
>Australia
>Israel
Rangeban these three countries and the site would be cleaned up very quickly.

>>281299138
Northamerica? Not happening bro.

>>281299138
No not threads like this but I think the thread camping/spamming schizos who are way worse would disappear.
They have that double layer of retardation where they're clinically paranoid but also ESL so they don't have the ability to see self reflect on how batshit insane they come across.

>>281299138
No, you would have to ban india and israel. But if you do you loss 80% of the site traffic.

For overseas read India

>>281299138
UK is banning itself so other Commonweatlh nations like Australia and Canada will follow suit

Well, it's either this or AI. Which would /a/ prefer?

>>281300359
I would really prefer it if you'd be quiet

The manga industry is a completely oversaturated market. I don't believe this at all honestly.

>>281299928
You can do both Anon with the drawing stuff being done when not working at McDonalds

>>281298820 (OP)
cant wait for even more 3d models in my manga
the future is bleak

>>281298820 (OP)
As an American creative, I welcome this. I don't wanna participate in the garbage coming out of the West right now. I want to make manga.

>>281300919
It's not oversaturated. It's overworked. The demand is high, yet the workers have little to no rights whatsoever. Manga artists and animators in Japan need to unionize if they want to get their quality of life back and save the industry from total collapse.

>>281304043
>asians
>taking action to change the status quo
lol

>>281298820 (OP)
I am excited for every protagonist to be an overweight woke lesbian

>>281298820 (OP)
I already see western 'webtoons' in the manga section at bookstores. With the American comic industry so bad I imagine that all those parasites are jumping ship and trying to make 'manga' now.

>>281298820 (OP)
honestly I'd only trust the French to produce manga on the level of Japan

>>281298820 (OP)
Aren't they already contracting labor from North Korea and China?

>>281298820 (OP)
They’re already trying to push western light novels, western manga isn’t surprising. I tried the ATLAS one JNC is pushing since they have a few parts out, it’s the worst novel I’ve ever read.

>>281298820 (OP)
Not a single good non-jap manga has every been produced
>w-what about bocch-
Absolute garbage.

>>281306285
>he doesn't know about Dog Nigga

>>281306356
That is actually good and not a meme?

>>281298820 (OP)
Japs may work 100 hours a week with no overtime pay, but it's not enough. We NEED brown people from shitholes to shit out 60 identical isekai stories every month for even less money, or capitalism will collapse.

>>281306454
Hey, this manhwa would like to talk with you. Korean classic kino.

Alright Ameribro’s
I’ll make a manga adaption of this just for you.

>>281306591
just come up something original instead, how about:
> Third reich discovers a portal in Argentina, hitler and Co somehow managed to escape through that even though Axis Fell in real world.
> Currently the Fantasy world learned a lot of new technologies from these human invaders and eventually once they had enough rebelled and destroyed The New Reich due to Demihumans having naturally stronger magics than humans after subverting the nation and couping once Hitler was out and there was a natural succession war.
> Its about the shitty state the society is in after that point, civilization building and recovery.
That would be kino.

>>281306655
But if it’s not cheap generic slop then Kadokawa won’t publish it

>>281306591
But is he a reincarnated otaku who is inexplicably invincible?

>>281299476
>forgetting Canada

>>281299928
Some countries pay less than mcdonalds.

Either way, it's all gonna be Ai because westerners can't draw.

>>281299928
Buy into the IP then, this is why slime and sao authors are rich as fuck while the others write for scraps.
>>281306687
>what is tanya and overlord

>>281298820 (OP)
Anime is officially dead

>>281298820 (OP)
Why open this can of worms when AI has nearly caught up to their Filipino slaves?

>>281306356
Looks like a shitty comic.

>>281307001
Because AI has zero creativity.

>>281306947
>Buy into the IP then,
Elaborate

>>281300359
I prefer the industry to die.

>>281298820 (OP)
They've done this for years unofficially. Never going anywhere. Only the few individuals that can adhere to the Japanese mindset might make it in a long time down the line

>>281306655
You just described Drifters

How does /a/ do it?

The issue is that japanese artists don't want to do smaller LN adaptations anymore, they only get a small % of sales royalties and the market got so bloated the smaller works are not selling that much anymore.

>>281304043
Unionizing would do nothing, manga authors are self-employed.
Publishers pay them money to publish their work in the magazine (the page rate, aka ギャラ) and take a cut of the book sales in exchange for handling all the logistics and marketing for the author.
Income is performance based. That is to say, your income is determined by how many copies you sell. This would only be even more true if they ditched the publishers completely, because they'd lose the guaranteed page rate.
You could argue the page rate could be higher, but that would also raise the minimum number of copies the books would need to sell to be profitable for the publisher, and thus more newbie authors would be canned. Most working authors are not making explosive hits, but gradually building a dedicated audience. The low sales barrier is a core part of the manga industry that allows it to function.

>>281311310
The page rate is just honestly a legality so it will count as a transaction and there can be no possible argument they are being employed off the record to avoid taxes.

>>281299838
Like the CSM threads?

>>281309219
>Literal fucking Abos like the Jeets can make more normal media than the high iq Asians
Grim.

>>281311310
>Unionizing would do nothing, manga authors are self-employed.
The whole point of unionizing is collective bargaining. "If you don't give all of us better wages and benefits, all of us will go on strike. Even if you sue us all for breach of contract, you'd have nothing to publish for weeks or even months and the value of your stocks would tank"
even contractors benefit from union action
and in the mean time the members of the union on strike are getting their lost wages paid for by the union, paid for by the dues of everyone else in the union. and most companies will fold long before it reaches the point that the union funds dry up

>>281298820 (OP)
Good, maybe now we can enforce some Western values on the nips and exorcise the manga industry of it’s normalization pedophilia and incest.

>>281312879
Lets heckin' turn it into the next Marvel, my fellow Redd*tor!

I know you're trolling, but might as well shitpost for fun at this point in the thread.

>>281312611
>abos
as in aborigine? Do you think ancestral migration patterns dictate IQ?

>>281298820 (OP)
It's over

>>281312066
That's not necessary because the publishers are not the author's employers. Like I said, manga authors are self-employed.
>>281312799
Fair enough I guess.

>>281306772
He already said India

>>281298820 (OP)
The West unironically should colonize the manga industry, it can only improve if it’s scrubbed clean of it’s pedo and incest sexual degeneracy.

>>281298820 (OP)
They've already worked with a bunch of SEA comic publishers if I recall

>>281303990

Let me know if you need a writer.

>>281304043
That will just create a situation where now authors also have to deal with power tripping union bosses in addition to the already power tripping publishers.

>>281298820 (OP)
>keep working on outsourced anime in your korea based studio and live like a king
>or move to japan and can barely afford rent yet alone rice

>>281299476
This. Please don't ban Brazil, though.

>>281298820 (OP)
Yes all manga has to be from Japan, these dudes call Tom and Jerry anime too but everyone can understand the difference, these people are thinking in comics.

>>281303990
>garbage coming out of the West
At least the West doesn’t produce incest or have a concept of “lolis” so…

>>281298820 (OP)
>labor-shortage
more like they lack of fresh ideas, they will archive all submissions and create series “inspired” by them with new names and characters, If you have something valuable don't give it away

>>281300359
It's this and AI bro

>>281312799
Anime production companies enjoy the enormous benefit of never going bankrupt.
Even if the anime's sales are a failure, a fixed fee is paid, and the animators are not held responsible for the failure.

The costs of producing an anime are usually extremely huge, and even with the use of crowdfunding, only enough money can be raised for one episode.
It is not a responsibility that can be taken lightly, but they are exempt from liability.

>>281315641
anime production companies are ran by slaves owned by the shareholders. If they fail to generate a net profit they get replaced and die.

>>281298820 (OP)
This makes me think of that one company (think it was Tokyo Pop, too lazy to Google) that tried this years ago, and brought out a contract that read something along the lines of "How do you do fellow kids? Moral rights to your IP are French and gay, so you don't want them."

>>281315035
It's about assistants to draw backgrounds. If you look at job listings you can tell that those are in short supply.
Outsourcing them to SEA is an alternative to using CGI, photographs or text-to-image models.
They've got narou to come up with series to adapt.

>>281303990
>as an American creative
pyw I bet it sucks delusional dong

>>281316139
The article says they need more artists to adapt light novel and Isekai

>>281304043
protip: this is the w*stern cancer that is currently infecting and destroying anime; trying to inject w*stern pet politics into the scene

>>281314811
I know right? nothing but trash

>>281317176
I'm pretty sure this is a bot or something, there's loads of similar post floating around these days. That or a concerted trolling effort from an anon or some shills.

>>281317210
shills I'm guessing. hired by Nutflex

>>281298820 (OP)
yikes

>>281317210
indeed https://desuarchive.org/a/search/text/incest*%20loli* https://desuarchive.org/a/search/text/incest*%20pedo*

>>281298820 (OP)
It might be over for manga originals but they have infinite supply of isekai from Kakuyomu and Narou.
Alls well that ends well.

>>281298820 (OP)
And just like that, manga is dead.

Part of what made anime and manga good was it wasn't created by people with the same culture, society, history and ways of thinking as people have in the West. Literally most of developed countries and people in the West share a lot of those things because of Christianity and like 2000+ years of interacting with each other.

I remember the first feeling of attraction I had to anime, and then later manga, was that it was something very different and alluring. I wonder how much of this is being eroded by the Westernization and globalization of Japan? Already otaku culture is a shadow of what it was 30 years ago.

So what are Western 'mangaka' going to bring to the table? Are they going to try an emulate the Japanese, are they going to do the same thing they do with media in the West (god forbid)? I don't doubt there are some that would produce excellent stuff but I think the majority of it will just be dross. You could say that's the same for manga now, and that it always has been that way, and I'd find it hard to argue against it. But the bottom line is that globalization erodes culture and replaces it with a very poor, modern substitute.

>>281307167
Counterpoint: AI has infinite amount of creativity, unlike your broken whiny ass.

>>281319822
Shut up, you fucking stupid pajeet retard. You'd going to get us all Skynet'd or else drain every bit of energy on earth into your stupid datacenters just so faggots can AI up porn of their 'waifus' or ask some dicksucking chatbot to write isekai for them.

Only human, or other content created by nature, is beautiful.

>>281319917
Lmao suddenly content created by humans is beautiful? Then why does /a/ bitch about 99% of human-made anime? Hypocrite faggots.

>>281319999
Whereas 100% of AI is dogshit and it's going to ruin the world and the internet.

>>281305711
America made manga-like comics even before manga became a thing. Donald Duck was what inspired Tezuka, after all. But the big players stamped out workflows like this in favor of what American comics are known for now.
Japan needs to export the workflow of making manga to the world, honestly. That's why manga's so creative and weird and why western comics are so boring in comparison.

>>281298854
>Two piece will be real
two genders is real
western pigs imitating chinese cartoons is done

>>281320296
What do you mean by workflow? It's not a term I'm familiar with.

You say it's the reason for manga's creativity so do I infer it means that manga is largely a single creator thing, often very independent except for an editor (often entirely independent as with doujinshi and now webmanga), and not subject to as immersive pressure to be financially viable and more, presumably, massive and involved comics in other parts of the world? And by that I mean if you approach/are approached by a publisher with a manga they say 'sure we'll do that for a volume and if it sells we'll keep publishing'.

>>281298820 (OP)
>kadokawa
>bought by woke Sony
Opinion irrelevant. Not anime

>>281303990
3D model tracer with pseudo-anime westoid slop. Neck yourself, permabeg

>>281319759
Great post.
If Western creators try to emulate Japanese stories, I hope they won't make any more isekai

>>281300359
>Well, it's either this or AI. Which would /a/ prefer?
AI is making fantastic porn slop right now.
OEL has had 25 years to generate one title worth publishing.
And it never will, because the Japanese system doesn't want outsiders fucking up things by exposing things like the assistant racket.

>>281320831
Ai.
Westoid slop is cancer. Cancer culture, cancer people, the most hideous 'art' in existence

>>281319759
Japan has been westernized since the 1860s and the West was already been their main influence since the 16th century.
Since WW2 they're fully part of the West as their culture was adopted in America and Europe.

>>281319233
Shueisha's been doing this for years already, as has the publisher behind Zenon.

>>281321040
You're being too black and white there. Modern Japan is more Western than feudal Japan but it's not like there's no difference between it and New York or London. For instance: otaku culture, their attitude to porn and sexuality is different, so is the thread of collectivist culture that still runs through them, their spiritual and supernatural thought and traditions are different. And for whatever reason they've been able to produce a manga industry that creates a fairly diverse range of genres and styles of work, some of which have no direct comparison to anything in the West and are frankly alien to it. There's still enough difference to there that they've been able to create manga that nobody would have in the West, and if they did a lot of it would never have been able to get published; for one reason or another.

Also it's only in the last 10 years, and mostly in the last 5, that anime and, to a lesser extent, manga has become normalized in the West (Apparently anyway, I never see it but I am isolated from modern Western culture and youth and in my day you hid you powerlevel at school and I have never told anyone that I read manga or watched anime).

Donald God Trump needs to ban anime so retarded fat onions-fuck zoomers can't dig their faggot-painted nails into my anime. Only then, the anime industry will start to heal.

>>281298820 (OP)
And you'll be able to discuss all these wonderful new series on /co/

how does a country with 100 million people have a labour shortage

>>281298820 (OP)
We won, /a/nons lost....

>>281321407
>mainstream anime/manga is mainstream so anime is mainstream!!!
Your shit point will never be a thing.
No one in the west gives a shit about anime except like a couple million teens who will drop it as well as they get older because 'jap cartoons are for kids lol'.
This is why continuous marketing has to implemented, fan retention is none existent.

There are thousands of ongoing manga at any given time, i'll survive some brazillians being assistants on some shounenshit i don't read.

>>281319759
>So what are Western 'mangaka' going to bring to the table?
We’re going to make it less sexually degenerate and more in line with actual civilized family values, i.e. no more pro-grooming and incest messages. No more fanservice of minors, it’s gonna be great! Colonization from the West is coming via that big bad scary “globalization,” and you weebs won’t be able to do a thing to stop it!

Soon all manga and anime will be as safe and normie appealing as DBZ and other battle shonen.

>>281323414
>We
Kill yourself, fat fuck

>>281319759
>But the bottom line is that globalization erodes culture and replaces it with a very poor, modern substitute.
And if that “culture” includes the normalization of pedophilia and incest straight from the hells of Sodom and Gomorrah itself that the Bible warned us about? Then it deserves to be replaced with a superior Western one.

>>281320877
>Westoid slop is cancer. Cancer culture, cancer people, the most hideous 'art' in existence
But it’s not “Westoid” media that panders to pedos and inbreeders, so what does that say about Eastern media and it’s culture and people huh?

>>281321407
>For instance: otaku culture, their attitude to porn and sexuality is different
That’s a nice way to say they approve of pedophilia and incest that no other civilized society would, so much so that their lolicon media is on the U.N. Watchlist.

>>281324000
When you arrest everyone on the epstein list, only then you'll be allowed to police other contries' media. Cuck

>>281324066
>Epstein List
Wanna bet everyone on there were lolicon weebs? I’d like to see the FBI investigate their homes and look for their secret stashes, just like anime also groomed Tsutomu Miyazaki into raping kids.

>>281321407
>but it's not like there's no difference between it and New York or London
There is a huge difference between New York and London.
The attitude towards sexuality in Europe and that in America are incomparable.
The comic culture centred around Belgium and France is smaller than the Japanese but still offers a lot of variety. Stop brushing everything non-Japanese under one rug.

>>281324201
Doesn't matter what they are or were. They are free, they run your country and entertainment. Go arrest or kill them or whatever. Otherwise, your so called morality is fake and meaningless. As is your opinion on any matter.
You're a child diddler by association

>>281323380
>There are thousands of ongoing manga at any given time
Ten thousand.
There really won't be that many third worlders that can do the job. Japanese grow up with manga and are encouraged to draw. They can share their drawings on SNS and dedicated sites, produce fanzines, directly approach publishers or otherwise gain attention.
Meanwhile outside of Japan and its two western neighbors, manga is only known through its relation to anime and people have little reason or options to draw on their own.
They also lack the work ethic the Japanese are famous for.
I read an essay manga about the Sri Lankan economic crisis and the author tried to hire a local girl to work as an assistant and basic shit like inking was already too much for her.

>>281298820 (OP)
>SEA and latambros.........it's our time

JA JA JA JA JA IT IS OUR TIME

>>281324000
Wow, you manage to not only mention pedophilia and incest in every post you make, but also in every paragraph!
That's impressive!
Now kill yourself.

>>281322021
It's trying to support the entertainment needs of 8 billion people, because comics and Hollywood are dying.

I'm sure this won't have dire consequences for the future of the medium.
Indeed, hiring foreign workers to poorly do a job for peanuts instead of the current system of native born assistants being trained by masters to become the next crop of talent to lead the industry forward.
Fucking retards.

>>281298820 (OP)
I see a lot of doomposting by westerners thinking that they would bring their cancer culture to Japan, but do not fret, Iraq and the shining light of Islam will save Anime

>>281324911
It worked with anime but anime is a global market and most of the consumers consume it via streaming and don't care about quality.
Meanwhile manga is by far and large limited to Japan with France as a distant second. It's largely build around active sales for the volumes and the customers will think twice before purchasing shit.

>>281325014
That and they forget that most people don’t read, they watch.
Manga will still be niche

>>281298820 (OP)
I thought this was about getting overseas people to help in anime productions (something that already happens)
But it is actually about reaching for overseas Comic artist to make more manga...
I don't think that's going to work all that well considering how brutal are the working conditions in relation to the pay

>>281324791
>Wow, you manage to not only mention pedophilia and incest in every post you make, but also in every paragraph!
Because they are the main problems in anime stopping it from becoming mainstream.

>>281325239
They're not doing a very good job at it.
I guess we need to increase the amount of pedophilia and incest in anime if we want to gatekeep it.

>>281325223
For weekly magazines, yes, but for monthlies less so

They want to make more light novel adaptations and they're having a hard time securing artists

They also bought shares in a whole bunch of comic and manga publishers around the world so they definitely have the resources to reach talented artists

>>281325911
>They're not doing a very good job at it.
Only battle shonen like DBZ that lack said anime typical pedophilic or incestuous tropes are mainstream though.

>>281326381
Don't insult the ancient art, lolicon has existed for far longer than people cared about pedophiles

>>281326539
>CP
>”art”

>>281326724
Lolicon predates child pornography laws

>>281326785
>Lolicon predates child pornography laws
Spoken like a true weeb pedo.

>>281323414
>>281324000
Hello, redd*t. You will never belong on 4chins. GTFO

>>281326088
>They want to make more light novel adaptations and they're having a hard time securing artists
If Starts Shuppan or Bunkasha can get enough Japanese artists for their garbage there shouldn't be any difficulty for the biggest Japanese publisher.

>>281319759
It will be about brown people and you will rike it

>>281324000
It's kind of funny to me that the extremely partisan environment of 21st century politics has given such a boost to archaic and brainless nonsense as religion. You don't have to be some TRAD Cath to not be a leftist, you know? Stop making us look retarded.

There's less children getting abused and raped in Japan than in the UK or America. Stop losing your shit over 2D drawings that hurt nobody.

>>281324280
I would say London is closer to New York than to France or Belgium. I know New York is bad but it can't be as bad as London, at least they have a codified constitution. And as for the latter 2 I suspect they are still quite a lot better than either of those neo-puritain leftist authoritarian shitholes.

>>281298820 (OP)
Wtf is this. There's already too much manga.

>>281326785
Based rorikon

>>281319759
Things change, bitch. Get over it.

>>281327465
There's less crime overall in Japan and they aren't as preachy about things.
Which is funny, because there are Western firms trying to police Japan about various things including loli.

>>281326539
Westoid cucks seething that their goverment keeps them sexually repressed, even in fiction.
What a sad existence

>Noboru Segawa, Kadokawa’s IP executive producer heading multiple departments related to overseas publishing, stated that there is a particular shortage in the sphere of comic adaptations of light novels and books in the isekai genre.
>Despite the abundance of source material, there are overwhelmingly not enough manga artists that could make the adaptations, and many companies are competing to secure talented artists. “However,” Segawa remarks, “just joining the competition to secure talent won’t solve the fundamental issue of workforce shortage, as it doesn’t contribute to expanding the talent pool. Devising ways to discover and nurture popular authors is a crucial mission for our manga editors.” He notes that is the reason why Kadokawa decided to explore “the wide sea of overseas manga artists” and look for future talent there.
LMAO they are just looking for draw monkeys to adapt even more fucking Isekai!

>>281327465
>There's less children getting abused and raped in Japan than in the UK or America.
>He actually believes Asian statistics on things
What kind of weeb are you if don’t already know about the Asian culture of “saving face” and how most sex crimes are swept under the rug and statistics aren’t remotely accurate?

>>281327696
Why should you just 'get over it' when everything around you is changing for the worse? You retard, that's a warning.

It's not change that's bad it's change that is very likely to be negative which you need to guard against and resent. Global homogenization erodes culture and individuality and uniqueness. You retarded zoomers might want everything to become one big tiktok world but the rest of us like diversity in the world. Yes, diversity, that great buzzword and accompanying rhetoric applied by lizards to mean the destruction of one particular group of (white western) cultures. Bi in actual fact genuine diversity would mean the preservation of distinct culture, including Japanese, to preserve the rich differences there are throughout the world and not stirring a few together in to a mess or eclipsing 'problematic' ones.

>>281327772
>Nip admitting that Japan is a nation of pedophiles
Yeah we know, that’s part of the reason why we nuked you in WW2. Seems like that wasn’t enough and you could use more superior Western correction and colonization though.

>>281327858
Honestly, I don't blame them. Starting global artists off as just the artists for trusted IPs that sell (so likely isekai shit) is the safest way to test if non-Japanese artists can handle the heavy workload of being a mangaka. That would also temporarily work around the problem even in Japan where many good artists aren't particularly good writers. Hell, they're saying "global" but they might be recruiting Chinese, Korean, Taiwanese, and Thai artists first. Those Asians are much more likely to draw in a style congruent to nips and are less likely to need tard-wrangling than Western artists.

>>281327943
You mean like how the UK literally covered up the rape gangs? I wonder how much was covered up in comparison to Japan. You guys like to throw around that fact but where is the hard evidence?

>>281327973
If that “culture” is literally pedo and incest culture than it deserves to get eclipsed.

You were lied to about “moral relativism” by Marxist navel-gazing academics, it’s not and will never be an actual thing.

Some cultures simply are objectively superior and more civilized than others.

>>281327858
Holy shit, deliver us from this.

>>281328252
>UK rape gangs
But were those rapes of minors or adult women?

>>281328265
>If that “culture” is literally pedo and incest culture than it deserves to get eclipsed.
You would quite literally never have the balls to say this about muslims or (((them))) in public.

>>281328311
>But were those rapes of minors or adult women?
Minors and parents would get arrested if they tried to get back their children, you'd literally have to be willfully ignorant to not know of this.

>>281327943
Congrats. You're the retard of the day.

>>281328265
>>281328265
>pedo and incest
It's no more morally wrong than being a homo, you retarded bible thumper. The only thing that matters is whether it is hurting anyone or not. It is not right to hurt innocent people.

>Some cultures simply are objectively superior and more civilized than others.
Japanese 2D 'pedo' shit is not hurting people, importing and supporting child rapists and covering up others, who have political clout, is.

>>281327943
lol
lmao even

>>281328478
>Thread talking about pedophilia and incest
>brings up unrelated regular adult rape stats
Cool, now let’s see what those stats have to say about child rape eh?

>>281328030
Never ask your grandparents how old was your granny when they married. You're a child made by pedos and enslaved women.

>>281328550
Your argument was "Japan don't report crimes".
This pic show that both the US and UK don't also report crimes either.
Now, which country can let their kids run freely outside without fear?
Also you conveniently ignore all of the other posts thatr BTFO you but got triggered enough to answer to mine because you don't actually have an argument, faggot.

>>281328550
No, it's your turn. Google 'burden of proof' and then go find verifiable evidence that JP has a higher rate of child abuse/rape than America or the UK.

>>281328550
For someone acting all and mighty, you sure don't bother providing anything to back up your argument.

This has happened multiple times but nothing ever comes of it. Artists join; then fade away immediately.

>>281328404
>It's no more morally wrong than being a homo
That’s wrong too troon.

>Pedophilia and incest
>Not hurting anyone
>implying
Except children aren’t mentally mature enough to comprehend sex so you’re taking advantage of their naivety and find mental retardation attractive like the sick fucks pedos are, plus it literally PHYSICALLY hurts kids cause their holes aren’t big enough yet to accommodate a penis so you’re quite literally tearing them apart if you attempt to enter them.

And incest creates inbred deformities and sick kids.

>Japanese 2D 'pedo' shit is not hurting people, importing and supporting child rapists and covering up others, who have political clout, is.
Where do you think those child rapists learned it from? Betcha anything they’re all groomed weebs who consoom lolicon anime.

>>281328811
>Where do you think those child rapists learned it from?
Here, you conveniently ignored my post so I'll just repost it again:
https://quranx.com/Hadith/Bukhari/USC-MSA/Volume-5/Book-58/Hadith-236/
>Khadija died three years before the Prophet (ﷺ) departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married `Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.
And unlike anime and manga, it doesn't pretend that it is fiction but reality.

>>281328811
You're a fucking idiot. I am not talking about 3D anything, and have already agreed that harming innocent people IRL (including children) is morally wrong. I am talking about Japanese 2D loli and how the West rails against it as some great evil when literally nobody is getting hurt, meanwhile the West has a child rapist epidemic (which governments and public institutions like the BBC attempt to , and have historically, covered up), sky high crime rates and a divided, powder-keg society with frequent social unrest. They, and you, then go and tell Japan NOOOOOO you can't have 2D loli.

And BTW there is nothing wrong with incest, just don't have kids. There's no moral problem with it, only a practical one and only authoritarians will seek to regulate that from a position of morality.

>>281328811
It's fiction, retard. Who the fuck's getting hurt by it?

>>281329009
>meanwhile the West has a child rapist epidemic
And what do you think caused said epidemic? Lolicon weebshit. Isn’t it mighty suspicious Epstein’s Island only happened when anime and manga were starting to get popular in America? How come there were never any underground Western pedo rings in the based trad 50’s BEFORE anime was a thing? Epstein and his crowd were all secret lolicon weebs I guarantee you.

>And BTW there is nothing wrong with incest, just don't have kids.
Easier said then done when birth control isn’t foolproof and abortion is so heavily restricted and regulated, also the attraction itself is weird and abnormal and thus worthy of societal judgement.

>>281329216
>anime cause western IRL child rapists
LOL
O
L

>also the attraction itself is weird and abnormal and thus worthy of societal judgement.
Insect hive-mind brain mixed with evil.

>>281298820 (OP)
I doubt they're going to get much takers, and that's not even when they start filtering them.

>>281326724
We're talking fictional characters, though.

>>281329274
Prove that Epstein and his crowd weren’t weebs.

>>281329216
Because during the 50s it was legal to groom, date and fuck 12 year olds lmao. You are a nation of pedos

>>281328811
Please consult these pics (the right's source continuously updates their stats).

>>281319759
It can always get worse, and for manga it can get American comic industry tier bad. What's more, I have seen companies and ecelebs call their comics ''manga" because it is currently more trendy compared to comics and implies better standard of quality. I have no doubt this will start to happen a lot more because these companies see manga absolutely trash their dogshit in terms of sales numbers and they want to take that slice of the pie. Ironically they are the same ones that would at best ignore, and at worst try to ruin careers of many mangaka since many of them draw loli, shota and rape doujinshi. A couple of years ago Coolkyoushinja had three anime based on something he worked air in the same season, and then you think about how the cunts that would have shot down his career before it began try to worm their way into anime and manga industry to poison it, profit from it and then leave it in ruins when something else becomes trendy.

>>281329442
>12 year olds
It was legal, but not a lot of people went for girls that young. Even that Sneedville story was considered unusual for the 1930s and the families had to lie about the girl's age upon marriage.

>>281329525
>loli, shots
>rape doujinshi
Don’t lump in regular rape of adults, which is a perfectly normal fetish most men and women have, with tranime pedo slop please.

We are not the same.

>Americans not lusting over 3D children: challenge impossible
No wonder all the biggest pedos are from your shithole.
Literal pedo nation. God bless the glorious nipon!

>>281329525
Grim reading, but I don't disagree with anything you say. I just wish to go back because it's plain the world will never get better.

I'd only add that I am open to good quality, interesting, creative and 'ethically' produced Western works. But I'll still differentiate them from manga unless they are published first in Japanese by Japanese publishers in manga serializations or new-fangled apps.

>>281329642
uh huh, and what's the age of consent in your country eurofag?

>>281329687
Not him, but most countries have it set at 16 (which is the most reasonable age too).

>>281329570
>anime makes you a tranny
>loli and shota makes you a tranny
Explain this to me then faggot. Why isn't the land of anime and loli topping this chart?

>>281329446
>Muh “b-b-but 2D CP protects REAL children from pedophilia” argument
Oh yeah? Explain Tsutomu Miyazaki then?

>>281329744
grey means no data I assume? what a worthless chart

>>281329779
No method has a 100% success rate. Ask condoms.

>>281298820 (OP)
>Kodakawa
Eh, nandatte?

>>281319759
>>281329525
>>281329680
Well you don't see anyone really complaining about stuff like Kingdom of Quartz which was actually published in Afternoon but there's a lot more shit flung towards something like Corykenshin's 'manga' that only sold well because his Youtube fans saw it as buying merch/making a donation, not because they liked or were interested in the story. There's an entire subset of Western 'manga' artists who talk so much about the grind of making manga and publishing but they don't even try to get properly published in Japan when we've seen actual Westerners breaking into the industry and getting published in Japanese magazines. Unfortunately the most talkative mangaka wannabes are the ones who aren't that good at art or storytelling.

>>281298820 (OP)
>Sony becomes their largest shareholder
>Company instantly begins making changes that will completely fuck up any brand they have and all the trust of their audience, for short term profit
must be pure coincidence

>>281305844
I think you just woke up from a 20 years long coma, welcome to 2025 friend

>>281329779
Tsutomu Miyazaki was a camera otaku, first of all. The moral panic over loli existed a little before the murders in the late 80s because the Yakuza also ran a black market with some really bad shit, so it was also meant to be a measure against organized crime and underage prostitution during the recession. Same as the whole Pokemon Porygon incident was blown out of proportion by linking 2 completely unrelated incidents.

>>281303990
So just make your own comics and self publish?

Remember who bough Kadokawa? Well, expect it to turn into as bad as Sony is.
Enjoy all the western shit in anime and manga from now on.

>>281330495
2 weeks

>>281330509
Just two weeks of sucking my dick? You should offer more if you want the job.

>>281330569
I'm sure your /pol/shart fantasies will become real any day now.

>>281329958
>>281330495
So nice, it needed to be said twice!

>>281330495
>Enjoy all the western shit in anime and manga from now on.
>No more lolis or incest
Anime is saved

>>281319759
>So what are Western 'mangaka' going to bring to the table?
The vast majority of immigrants in Japan are from Southeast Asia, China and South Korea. A simple google search tell you this.
God I hate /pol/ schizos so goddamn much it's unreal

>>281329779
I see you're still ignoring islam lmao

>>281298820 (OP)
Comiket beat them to it.

>>281330812
Ok, how many actually show up? Like 5 of them?

>>281330679
Anon, your Israel ip is showing..

>>281330937
>Simple research is haaaaard!

>>281298820 (OP)
>Not all Japanese comics has to be from Japan
Uh-huh

>mangaka shortage
Maybe they should run less concurrent serializations at once?
>animator shortage
Maybe they should air less concurrent anime at once?

Shit is so contrived.

>>281330812
>The foreign gaijin is automatically brown
Kek

Do you guys think that manga will become safe and boring now?

>>281331456
>Do you guys think that manga will become safe and boring now?
It’ll be the same just no more degenerate pedo and incest shit, in other words no longer will slop like Usagi Drop or Kodomo Jikan be allowed.

>>281331456
>now

>>281306577
Still in hiatus?

>>281331456
Adding some overseas artists into the mix won't magically make the usual degen shit from nips disappear.

>>281331380
She's more tanned than brown.

>>281298820 (OP)
>India
I swear, they are trying to subvert everything.

>>281331456
what will actually ruin manga/anime is foreign interests getting their tentacles into the industry. once you have (((american))) investors owning large shares of Japanese media companies then it's over

>>281332098
>Adding some overseas artists into the mix won't magically make the usual degen shit from nips disappear.
Don’t shoot down my hopes like that…

>>281330812
Cute guide

>>281299476
>>281299989
>>281300088
TRUTH
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>>281332553
>Literal Abos like the Pajeets can make better, more sexually normal manga than the Nips
Grim.

>>281331456
Manga isn't some monolithic thing you know dude. There's a bunch of different publishers and basically all those publishers have a bunch of different publications targeting different audiences. What one publisher does isn't necessarily what all publishers will do, and even what one publisher does with one publication isn't necessarily what said publisher will do with all their publications. Even if most major publishers took all their publications in a direction you hate, there's still a fuckload of smaller publishers and publications. There's a LOT of manga out there.
Besides that, the stuff you like exists now only because there is a paying audience for it. If that audience disappears, it ain't gonna be because the publisher hired some foreigners to adapt some crappy LN in a manga, it'll be because that audience is now interested in something else and the publisher will adapt to continue catering to that audience, as they always have, as YOU have benefited from.

>>281303990
If you publish your western garbage in Japan, it's still western garbage.

>>281303990
€garbage coming out of the West
Funny thing is, Western live-action such as HBO is full of sex and gore and far more daring than anything Japan currently puts out, weebs just don’t like it because it’s normal sex rather than pedo and incest sex.

>>281298820 (OP)
>labor shortage
what

>>281298820 (OP)
it's not going to work that easily because no one outside of Japan want to work like a Japanese mangaka.
They'll at most do 5 chapters then call it out then file a lawsuit against the company for giving them mental problem, overwork, underpaid etc,

>>281331456
Just look at the american comics if you want to see what to expect of western shit.

>>281331456
I genuinely believe if enough south americans join, we'll get another age of pantyshots and loli anime and manga

>>281334975
>South Americans
Aren’t they all the /dbs/spics who hate and deride anything loli?

>>281303990
There is no magic printing press in Japan that can turn western comic books into Japanese manga. Import western garbage, become western garbage.

>>281298820 (OP)
>"Not all manga has to be from Japan"
It literally does, though? Like I get Kadokawa has been going all in on pandering to westerners, what with censoring the shit out of several anime adaptations, and their CEO even openly expressing his approval of censorship for the explicit purpose of not offending westerners, but this is a bit TOO on the nose, no?

>>281334685
>>281334756
Even if you've drawn on here or taken advice from Japanese tutorials? I'd imagine it's the same effect as "you'll always be a foreigner even if you've lived in [country] for Y years".

>>281334825
As we all know, there's absolutely no aspiring artists in Japan, outside of the ones that are published already. Obviously they need to hire foreigners!

>>281335681
This, but unironically. The only people who get a pass are niggas like Kamiya Yuu (author of NGNL) who were born foreign, but moved to Japan very young and acclimated with the culture. He's based as fuck and is drawing the girls naked on his Fanbox now, picrel.

>>281298820 (OP)
Kadokawa are the evil killing japan.

Who owns them?

>>281335362
watch how you speak of the Chads of /a/
and we will make lots and lots of Dragon Ball ripoffs and revitalize the genre

>>281314811
>doesn't produce incest
GOT?
>concept of lolis
they have "cuties" instead

>>281335607
>Import western garbage, become western garbage.
You mean import western kino, become western kino.

Same applies vice-versa, Epstein’s island only happened because they were all a bunch of groomed weebs.

>>281335991
Why are you blaming a publisher for giving readers what they want? You can cope all you want but if people will buy it then someone will make it, end of story.

>>281298820 (OP)
>India
Based. Bollywood was always better than anime.

>>281336140
So who owns them?

>>281336072
>>281336072
>GOT and Cuties
Cherry-picking faggot, those are literally the only two, now count how many anime and manga have incest and pedo shit in comparison huh?

>>281336267
Sony. How does that change what I said? Sony is a company too and like all companies they shitcan things that don't turn a profit. As they already have with their western ventures. Forespoken bombed and the studio was shitcanned, for example. Your doomtardation is born from ignorance.

>>281298820 (OP)
Is this supposed to be bad? Manga hasn't been good for the past 10 years at the very least.

>>281336328
NTA. Don't have any strong feelings about incest and lolifags piss me off, but you're comparing literal cartoons to IRL 3D slop.
If you can't see how disingenuous it is to compare that to pictures, film and photorealism in general I don't know what to say, other than try again, retardbro.

>>281336328
Remember when you'd look at porn when you were younger, heard police sirens in the distance, and immediately thought they were for you? Those alarm bells start ringing in your head again every time you see 2D loli and incest. Retards like you don't have the IQ required for abstraction.

>>281330495
>>281335991
They only own 10% of stocks and kadokawa started buying back their own equity as well, aka can't be bought out as easily, since last year.
Next cope?

>>281336343
>>281337273
Posting twice wont help you, anon. Everybody knows they are right.

>>281335772
Is he the half Brazilian half Japanese one?

>>281338562
Yeah

>>281335607
Just admit that you don't read.

>>281334975
Have you looked at a normal manga magazine lately?

>>281338562
>>281338816
Which parent is which?

>>281339117
You're just proving his point tho

>>281340168
If something is published in a regular Japanese manga magazine (Aokishi) and the Japanese actually buy it, does that make it garbage?

>>281340081
IDK nigga, use google. What I do know is that I got to see Jibril's huge, bare knockers.

>>281338562
He's quarter.

I've drawn Sonic the Hedgehog my entire life. Do I have a shot?

>>281340434
Reach out to your preferred publisher/magazine.
The language barrier is the biggest obstacle.

>>281298820 (OP)
There is zero, I repeat, ZERO creativity from India. Hindu culture shuns hobbies and glorifies making money, which is why they're all cockroaches looking for easy compsci/scamming jobs. You've never seen a single pajeet artist on twitter, they don't exist.
At least LATAM and SEA countries have creative souls.

>>281314371
Heck, Kadokawa swallowed a long-time local national publisher here in Malaysia after they got bankrupt despite said publisher having several popular franchises and a popular manganime + geek culture magazine to their name. (Very dumb, very embarassing to M'sian comics culture, they got what they deserved for the fumbling)

>>281340482
Nah, the ability to actually make a comic that sells is easily the biggest barrier by far. Language isn't such a big deal anymore. We have google translate, that + the basics of japanese is good enough to get the idea across to your editor. If your work is good, language won't be what stops you.

>>281299476
India and China especially. No joke some Chans have banned both and the drama threads diminished to absolutely 1%.

>>281340576
>the ability to actually make a comic that sells
That's the editors' job.
The vast majority of manga by Japanese artists doesn't sell either but they get a lot more chances because they can communicate.

>>281341088
I mean the ability to write/draw a comic that sells. The editor's job is to HELP with that, but they can't do it themselves. That's why they're editors and not authors. It's the author's job to make the comic. The ability to make a a comic that people are interested in buying by far the hardest part and the biggest barrier, learning what japanese you need is a joke in comparison.

>>281341131
Ther's no secret recipe to making a comic sell. You just throw shit at the wall to see what sticks. Creators have been successful with the most oddball crap and failed with the most surefire hit material. It's almost a pure game of chance and a single moment can decide between heaven and hell.

>>281341204
And yet somehow 99.9% of successful published manga (ie, survive more than 3 volumes) look like professionally drawn manga. Why is that? Is it perhaps because it's not completely random, and there IS some degree of skill involved? I want to see how you try to explain this. Entertain me.

>>281298820 (OP)
Boycott Kadokawa, we all know what will happen next.

>>281305844
I too live worshiping niggers

>>281305844
the last time the french made anything good was the 1800s

>>281323380
You fag, if they do this, making manga in japan won't be profitable anymore.

>>281341269
And 90% of those that don't survive look like that as well.
Good artists aren't limited to Japan but the only non-Japanese that managed to succeed in the manga industry are those with sufficient Japanese skills.

>/a/fags unironically defending this
What happened?

>>281300359
Definitely AI, not out of love for it but because seashits are a fucking plague

>>281341368
Explain how. If it was that easy they would long have done so.
Foreigners can already sell content to Japanese on DLsite and the system hasn't collapsed either.

>>281341383
>And 90% of those that don't survive look like that as well.
Because if they don't look like that then they don't get published. Publisher's standards aren't super high, but they DO have standards. Or do you think the skill level of published manga is somehow the human default with no need to practice to reach that level...?
Like I said, twice now, if editors had the skill to make comics that sell then editors would just be making comics themselves. Why would publishers waste money paying artists AND editors if comics take no skill at all and are pure chance? Oh yeah, because it takes some level of skill to make a comic that people would be willing to pay money to read.
>manga industry are those with sufficient Japanese skills
Yes, and that will remain forever true, because what you're saying is always going to be a technical truth. Even if the level of japanese required is absolutely 0.
Things like google translate getting better has made it so that you don't need to know japanese very well yourself to communicate, so "sufficient japanese" is less now than it was 20 years ago.

>>281299138
Remember when Japan won in soccer, and they had celebration thread in /sp/ with anime? When that thread was linked on /a/, the /sp/ thread was flooded with south American flags

>>281298820 (OP)
>Author: John Rohman
American written light novels are coming. Prepare yourself for a new level of shit.
Brought to you by J-Novel Club.

>>281341512
How many foreign artists have broken into the scene with nothing but Google translate?
Nobody is claiming you don't need to draw well as long as you can speak Japanese but clearly being able to draw well is not enough.

>>281341655
That's the same crap and OEL manga or Manfra, local creators trying to latch onto a successful translated medium.
Even something as big as Radiant was a small fry in Japan.

>>281341657
>Nobody is claiming you don't need to draw well as long as you can speak Japanese but clearly being able to draw well is not enough.
These posts >>281341088 >>281341204 are claiming that. I said "Writing and drawing the comic is the biggest barrier" and this anon's response was "No that's the editor's job".

>>281341657
>How many foreign artists have broken into the scene with nothing but Google translate?
I didn't say "nothing but google translate", but I don't know japanese very well myself and yet I was able to get published. I'm not the only one either. Somehow I don't think these guys know japanese very well themselves either https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/shows/5001428/.
It's far, far easier to edit a google translate output to get your idea across to an editor who can help it read more naturally. But even learning japanese from basics to fluency is still easier than learning to draw comics up to a publishable level. You're vastly underestimating how skillful even the most mediocre manga artists are if you think otherwise.

>>281341423
/a/ is primarily tourists and normalfags in current year.

>>281299476
Shame that Indians have spread everywhere and would be able to bypass the ban

Can't believe someone reported me for calling out French for worshipping fire alarm desensitized individuals

>>281341929
/a/ fell of a cliff when twitter threads didn't become kill on sight

>>281341819
>but I don't know japanese very well myself and yet I was able to get published
You're underselling yourself again. You said in the past that they initially didn't want to work with you due to the translation issue.
Eromanga is also a small field where the publishers are struggling with increasing outside competition. You've posted about your experiences for two years now and I don't recall anybody else ever trying.
Learning Japanese is obviously a lot easier than learning to draw but it's still something most aspiring artists are completely blocked by. They aren't even capable of looking up contact information even though every manga magazine has it and publishers are eager to find new talents.

>>281341655
>one anime releasing this season is based on a novel the author hired an illustrator for because he heard of the concept of light novels
I lold
Ain't gonna show actual pix of that book's adaptation tho, the chara designs suck

>>281342231
>You said in the past that they initially didn't want to work with you due to the translation issue.
I don't think they initially didn't want to work with me, and I don't think I ever said that either. They were initially unsure, probably because they had only really worked with authors who did speak japanese. If they didn't want to work with me they probably would have just turned me away, but they didn't, because they clearly thought the work was good enough to at least get back to me about.
But this just demonstrates my point: shit japanese isn't the end of the world if the comicmaking skills on display are good enough. This whole thread exists because Kodansha reckon they're not able to find enough people with the comicmaking skills in japan and are casting a wider net to people who potentially do not have very good japanese. So clearly publishers are willing to accept someone with solid drawing skills but questionable skill in japanese.
>Eromanga is also a small field where the publishers are struggling with increasing outside competition
Increasing competition sure, but I don't agree that eromanga is a small field. Books regularly sell in the 10s of thousands, and there's plenty of eromanga publications out there. It's a pretty large subset of the manga industry, honestly.

>>281298820 (OP)
Considering that comics authors CANNOT STOP inserting current day politics into their story, especially in the US, I expect nothing but a further decline of the medium known as manga.

>>281312799
>>281311310
>Unionizing
>Using a 19th century tactic against a 22nd century society.
Anon there is being dumb and absolutely retarded. This was tried back in the Tezuka days and it did nothing. Best they can do is workers protection laws but that is it.

>>281328176
>>281327858
Well SEA's you are going to get Chinese Isekai over 6 million times of Wuxia.

>>281298820 (OP)
Finally the spics will get their rightful credit
>Fucking DBS stole Gohan Blanco 100 por ciento and gave it to MUI goku
>then stole gohan blanco again and called it beast.
Didn't fully steal celldorado but cell max is stupid af. They should have just gone with celldorado.

>>281342433
>and there's plenty of eromanga publications out there
If we ignore BL and other non-R18 publications there aren't many left and the number keeps shrinking faster than other categories.
The ero publishers don't really have a solution like web reading sites and apps that brought the tournaround for all-ages ones. Digitally selling single chapters for 300 yen or whatever doesn't really cut it.
The slight reduction of censorship compared to all-ages pornography isn't worth it for most people.

>>281298854
three pieces

>>281343035
Huh? Digital has been great for eromanga. There's a much larger margin on e-book sales, for both publisher and author. It does means they have to compete with authors choosing to self-publish once they're big enough, but plenty do stick with publishers.

>>281342433
>and are casting a wider net to people who potentially do not have very good japanese.
Exactly.
We already saw Shueisha make attempts by cooperating with Medibang for MANGA Plus Creators but most real artists aren't interested in working for them.

>>281298820 (OP)
This is gonna lead to more BL isn't it?

>>281343117
That's digital volumes but in order for them to sell you need to reach an audience and with the magazine market shrinking there has to be an alternative.
Once you have enough material to publish a volume they'll promote it in Mugen Tensei but these days you want to attract buyers that don't follow the magazines. In the general market the publishers operate one or more sites that let you read chapters for free for a limited time as a legal alternative to piracy but there's no such attempt from R18 publishers as far as I've seen.
It's part of the reason why more and more artists are sticking to self-publishing since the R18 publishers no longer help them increase their outreach.

>>281341819
It's the editor's job to worry about what will sell. The artists should draw things they actually enjoy drawing.

>>281298820 (OP)
it was always ours

>>281343558
Well, I don't know about that. I don't have the numbers, and I haven't been keeping track of how many publications die and how many new publications pop up. I can just say that TI Net isn't even the biggest publisher and they regularly have books that sell 10s of thousands of copies, which rivals Jump's average not-megahit series. Not bad at all IMO.

>>281343672
The author also has to think of something that will sell though. The editor isn't going to be coming up with stories for them. They might make suggestions, and yes this can make or break a series, but the editor is ultimately just going to go off of what the author brings them. So the author can't just draw things they actually enjoy drawing, because what they enjoy drawing does not always line up with what sells. Some consideration for what is commercially viable is necessary on the author's part. Real life isn't Bakuman, authors aren't all Nizuma, just drawing whatever the hell they want and it's magically a hit.

>>281298820 (OP)
The age of man is over. The time of the orcs has come.

>>281298820 (OP)
time starts

>>281344031
If you look at the sales numbers for doujin on DLsite and Fanza they can also reach tens of thousands, some even in the hundreds of thousands.
And the authors get a far larger share on those.

>>281342465
And Japanese mangakas cannot stop making the same story over and over again. How many half-demons slaying monsters in Tokyo do we need? How many quirky isekais that forget their premise after 5 chapters do we need? Not this fucking many

>>281346499
Yeah, the lucky few.

>>281346519
And your idea to fix that is to open the doors for amerilards that been doing the same comic heroes for over 50 years? Great way to fix the problem, huh.

>>281346519
Unironically kill yourself fopr thinking that, you have no idea how fucking bad comics are you double faggot.
Pic related, it's not an edit, it's literally how it actually is.

>>281346519
>>281347186
Also pic related, the current state of the manga industry is still infinitely better than the comics one.
You're just a drooling retard parroting what you've heard.

>>281346519
>need
I don't think you understand the difference between "need" and "want"
We may not need 10,000 Isekai
But we certainly don't want western "manga"

>>281346519
You're clearly not from here, right?

What will the SEAfolk write? I want some island hopping pirates and shit.