Thread 281363354

What the fuck?! I thought this was a funny romance Witch Anime set in an academy. What's up with the assassination plots, love triangle misunderstandings, and Fire Emblem-esque politics?

>>281363354 (OP)
I just finished a ZnT rewatch and I think it is truly one of the greats of anime. Even ignoring how good that final episode is, the show has a raw honesty to it that is unprecedented.
The end of S2 really sticks out for this. It has a serious, emotional, DRAMATIC set of moments spanning the entire episode, it's so incredibly bittersweet, and when Saito returns at the end there is so much catharsis, but then he plays into the joke there and it goes back to comedy antics for the last minute.
Like, the show does all this drama, puts in so much effort, and then allows itself to be silly like that so seamlessly, and it should be jarring but it perfectly fits the series.

>>281363940
I also read that this was mostly because the anime staff wanted to keep things simpler and less serious. The light novels have a completely different tone, though they still keep the comedy and overall feel of the series. I can’t say I dislike the anime, but I’d definitely welcome a more faithful adaptation someday.

>>281364108
A ZnT remake is probably inevitably. People forget, but it is a foundational work for a lot of modern anime, though mainly just isekai (for whatever reason SAO gets the credit for that despite the most popular isekai of the 2010s having its roots in ZnT fanfiction (Re:Zero)), so it coming back really is more of a "when" rather than "if".
And I know the author ended it where he did purposefully (even though he passed away, 22 is where it was always going to end from what I've seen), but I would much prefer some kind of OVA where Saito has to introduce his gremlin wife to his parents after disappearing for a year.

>>281363354 (OP)
Saito almost raped Louise at the start in the novel and was stated to be clinically retarded to the point his parents used shock therapy (with electricity btw) to make him smarter

>>281364163
>Saito has to introduce his gremlin wife to his parents after disappearing for a year
His father's jealousy would be through the roof

>>281364163
With how much shit is getting adaptations nowadays, even going as far as to animate axed Manga, it is truly just a matter of when.

I just finished the first season, and honestly, I was expecting something completely different. I’m not usually into isekai, and when I heard this series was considered the ‘godfather of all isekai,’ I expected the MC to be a complete pussy. But he actually turned out to be way more of a chad than I imagined. As the isekai that kicked off the genre, this was a really nice surprise.

Oh, and as someone who’s into /x/-style mysteries, I find the whole ‘sent to another world’ angle, turning those disappearance conspiracy vibes into a series plot, pretty alluring. I’ve always loved stories about ships, planes, or people vanishing under mysterious circumstances, like Bermuda Triangle tales, so seeing that idea worked into this setting really hooked me. I can see how Konosuba got most of its ideas from this series too

I feel that there was a missed opportunity of reversing the roles and having Louise be dependent on Saito in his world, even if only as a temporary one-off thing.

>>281365610
If you want a taste of that, trust me on this fanfiction recc.
https://archiveofourown.org/works/26922982/chapters/65703178
This is Familiar Evil, which is a crossover between Familiar of Zero and Resident Evil. It sounds absurd, and it is, but the first third of the story is just that.
Basically, Louise' summoning goes wrong and she reverse-summons to Saito's world. Saito lives in Raccoon City (still Japanese) for obvious plot reasons, and the first third of the story is just her being dependent on him in the normal world, and when the zombie stuff actually happens it becomes the two of them working together to survive. I was honestly shocked just by how good this was.
Only issue is the author excised Saito's perversions outside of some dirty magazines.
And it's unfinished.

>>281364263
They would have to tone down Louise's pugnacity a lot for that to happen, otherwise the current crop of anime consumers would bitch.

>>281365689
If Louise were to stop being crazy ass hysterical it might as well be a netflix adaptation because that's almost the very soul of it. It even makes Siesta and Henrietta more appealing due to the contrast

>>281365668
>check Zero no Tsukaima tag
>dozens of fanfiction still actively being written despite the anime ending 13 years ago and most of it airing nearly 20 years ago
>a lot of it is well over 100K+ words
>the one linked here equates to roughly 6-7 LN volumes worth of text
What the hell is going on over there

>>281366479

Zero no Tsukaima is all but a covert shoujo, specially if you look at the first season and how girly its opening is. Louise despite (or because?) being a femdom fetish works fairly well as a female self-insert and thats how you end with an isekai harem with a sizeable female fanbase who write fanfics for fun.

>>281366931
Yeah, I get the straight up smut, but a lot of the ones I'm seeing seem to be more borderline original works in terms of scope.

>>281366479
>What the hell is going on over there
The series has a great cast, excellent world building and a compelling plot. It's biggest weakness however is its generic harem protagonist lead. This setup is recipe for fanwork success, because said protagonist enters the story right at the beginning via a summoning ritual, perfect opportunity to replace him with literally anyone you can think off.
Said replacement is usually someone from another work of fiction and possibly abilities of their own. Sometimes said summon can become an absolute nightmare for the main character and the world. My personal favorite but sadly unfinished fic is Louise summoning Rumia from Touhou Project, an ominous floating black orb with something that looks like a little girl inside it and she definitely has no ill intentions, it'll be fine.

Finished the first season. Is this show for women? Because Louis is clearly the main character

>>281364263
>axed manga

Huh what'd I miss........?????

I think the one thing that really soured me on the series is just the whole brainwashing thing. The annoying part is that it even makes sense that you'd instill something like that in a summoning spell.

It's just annoying how they resolve it by having Saito die to have it removed then, when he gets back with Louise, they treat it as if that meant his feelings were real as if being under a spell that made you unconsciously fall for someone for multiple months hasn't already settled in even if the spell had been removed.

>>281366931
>>281367140
Someone said ZnT is the foundation of isekai but it's also a foundation of early 200s western fanfics. It's like one of the Bread and Butter series you can rely on.

If there's a media that exists, someone ha probably written a ZnT fanfic of it. Most of them are bad but a sizable number are alarmingly good due to how flexible the world is.

It's just as big in Japan SS too and I remember even reading one where Saito just straight up fucks every woman in the series and makes Louise and cuck.

>>281368255
>the whole brainwashing thing.
That's fanon tho, it supressed homesickness but Saito was too damn stupid and a masochist that fell in love with Louise on his own

>>281368653
Any man would

>>281368068
Death of the Author: Literally

>>281365689
>>281365808
She toned down a lot in the novels quite early on. The anime decided to continue it for some reason.

I'm not on my home PC.
Someone post big boobs Louise.

>>281369175
Actually, lets do something different this time.

Gonna repost some anon's copypasta about why Zero no Tsukaima is the godfather of isekai that can never be topped by any modern isekai.
>That actually sounds right to me, the story had been crafted well enough that they could straight up get away with having him fly a fighter plane against a bunch of dragons and it not just seem like an asspull because all the pieces where set up long in advance, from why he can pilot the thing, that it exists and hell they even go down to making sure to create fuel for the thing.
>Most these days would just have the MC stumble on it in a cave last minute with no foreshadowing and it magically be topped up with fuel and the MC knows how to play it because he played flight simulation games at home.
>There's a huge difference in how well received those two situations would be.

>>281369541
This bothers me.
Not because she has an extra finger on her right hand
But because the chair's 4th leg is in the wrong place

Look how flat she is!

>>281364163
>A ZnT remake is probably inevitably.
Isn't the author dead?

>>281369938
All that means are the rights are up for grabs.
Though, who owns the rights currently?

Kill AIshitters.

>>281369938
Yes. I don't know how this would effect the legal side of things, but I imagine they would avoid this just due to general japanese sararyman sensibirities

>>281370228
It is profoundly depressing to see AI ZnT images and I sincerely ask you to cease.

>>281370733
You like these images enough to save them yet you're saving the down-sampled preview versions like a retard.

>>281370733
Kill yourself.

>>281370774
I'm just pulling them from pixiv as I post them.
No need to waste bytes on AI slop.

ICHIKO my beloved

How about the sex elf?

>>281371259
We could use a porn dump thread desu

>>281369684
For the readers here Im too writing up a little essay. bump

For me it's Charlotte

My thread is still alive? Nice

>>281369938
Authors being dead no longer stops series from getting adapted. Even there is a rumor of YGO getting a remaster

>>281366479
Basically, ZnT fanfiction is what *actually* started the Narou-kei isekai boom, and it's still going strong

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2021-03-19/mushoku-tensei-is-not-the-pioneer-of-isekai-web-novels-but/.170429

> Those fanfics were massive in forming the roots of what we now call the isekai genre. The Re:Zero author recalls a time when The Familiar of Zero fanfics were all the rage, and how he himself got his start as an author by writing fanfics.
...
>In fact, you could say that Narō grew as a website partly because of fanfiction. After all, thanks to the IP recognition, it's easier to pick up an amateur's fanfic than their original novel. Eventually, however, they threatened to overshadow the original stories being hosted on the platform. The managers created a fanfic-specific offshoot site in 2010, but this didn't go over well because users preferred to stay with the platform they were getting the most exposure on. When fanfiction was banned altogether in 2012, the authors found their way around that by writing stories that follow the logic of fanfiction – just without the explicit connection to an IP.

>>281364163
>for whatever reason SAO gets the credit for that despite the most popular isekai of the 2010s having its roots in ZnT fanfiction (Re:Zero)
SAO gets mis-assigned the credit because its success was what kicked off the trend of publishers rushing to find web novels to offer publishing deals to, which in turn increased the number of peoples writing web novels. A lot of which where isekai. Since SAO's the identifiable start of the trend of publishers publishing isekai webnovels as light novels, people mistake it for the inspiration for the stories, when it's more of a publication catalyst.

>>281369684
These were my thoughts when i saw the S1 finale. Japanese writing really has gotten lazier.

>>281366479
ZnT fics were tremendous back in the day. In SB forum specifically, we had gorillions of them. It's just a very easy setting and story to write fanfiction of.

>>281364163
Fuck knows why you'd want a remake in this day and age, we all know what's gonna happen

>series is old so elitist cock swallowers instantly make it their new champion
>it is so well written and good omg because it's old!

>>281376265
Elitism is the basis of everything that's high quality. Nothing personal, pleb.

>>281376265
Literally nobody said that though

>>281376377
Gatekeeping works.

Holy shit, this show is intense

>>281365668
Gods, the age of ZnT fanfics where Saito is replaced by someone else. I read so freaking many.

>>281367793
Looking at the fanfic universe it's absolutely all about Louise.

>>281375761
Louise's lipstick smeared all over my cock.

This thread made me want to rewatch ZnT. What's the best release to grab? Doki?

>>281378307
Doki, yeah.
Has the Princess no Rondo OVA, but no picture drama if you wanted that as well.

>>281378564
Picture drama? what's that

ZnT had plot?
I only watched for the girls desperately trying to ride MCs dick

>>281378907
It's just a DVD bonus, mostly comedic stuff.
Picture dramas as a concept are just still images with narration and acting overtop. Most of them are on youtube, so here's a taste of what that means.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo8ImFohbO4
By no means essential though. They're just DVD bonuses.

>>281378990
I see, thanks will check it out after finishing the series. Also wow is that Saito? He looks so different

>>281378986
It does have a plot. It surprised me as well

How would (You) have fared if you were summoned instead of Saito?
Could you tame Louise?

>>281379155
I'd probably be dead before the Albion arc, not gonna lie.

>>281379155
It depends, do they have toilets?

>>281379155
Depends on how quickly I can get to her butt

I know it has to end with just Louise but I really wish Siesta could’ve been included and gone back to Japan as well. If the fourth season premiere had been the end of the series then that would’ve been perfect for me.

>>281378283
Louise's sharp nails tearing my back as her back curls from mind-breaking orgasm.

>>281379847
Siesta's so fucking hot man

>>281380375
She is too Japanese looking for my liking. Also godammed peak doroboneko behavior

So does he rail her?

>>281380585
Yeah it's quite the paradox that with her being 1/4 japanese she looks more japanese than the actual nihonjins in other anime but it's part of the appeal.

>>281380892
I haven't reached that part yet

>>281380892
It's been a while since I watched/read ZnT, but I remember he did.

>>281380996
>>281381068
Ok, picked the fuck up.

>>281381132
They dont have sex in the anime, just in the LN

>>281381253
Oh, so that's what I remember.

>>281381320
Admittedly they do edge that a lot just right before some stupid shit happens but evidently they couldnt put that in TV

can you guys post pregnant louise

>>281383209
Have you been a good boy this year?

>Ikemen wants to fuck her
>Older guy wants to fuck her
This is a shoujo in disguise

>>281384625
Judging by the fanfics, everyone understood the assignment.

>>281381554
I love how much of S3 and 4 is Saito constantly trying to have sex with Louise, and he doesn't even attempt that type of intimacy with any other girl.

I am two episodes away from the end of S2 and the cool guy still hasn't returned. Whose bright idea was it to have him fuck off in the second episode

>>281363354 (OP)
Believe it or not this series is unironically why isekaislop would become popular years later

>>281387751
>Author dies
>Creation is so influential it continues to live on to this day
What a legacy

DOROBONEKOOOOO

This show doesn't have any right to be this kino

>>281389640
Glad you're liking it

>>281385201
He made S3 watchable

>>281369684
It's funny how Saito's ability is much more balanced and narratively justified compared to most Isekai cheat powers we'd see in later series, even though "instant master of any weapon, including weaponized vehicles" is pretty broken at first glance.

>discover Louise in high school
>Fall in love with her design and idea behind her character but also know the show itself isn't really my bag
>almost out of college
>fuck it, will give it a shot
>watch the first episode and hate it
>year goes by
>ehh whatever I was a porn addicted mess and hated everything
>wanna try it again
>Louise thread halfway through July spurs me to get it
>every day plan on watching it and then push it off to tomorrow
>almost halfway through august
>another Louise thread
RUIZURUIZURUIZUUUUU!!

>>281369938
>>281374082
I remember reading the author being super sick and desperately trying to finish the final volume before passing and it depressing me. Unless I'm mixing this up with some other series.

>>281392837
Perhaps you are mixing it with another one. Despite his early death, is nice to know he always knew how the story would end with the Anime showing it before the LN

>>281379155
I would have fared much better in taming Louise, and probably much worse in combat as the author gave Saito so much plot armor it was crazy, not even talking about the "combat expert" buff as Gandalfr. One guy against 60k, without killing them even due to accidental blood loss? C'mon.
If I had the same level of plot armor it would be very easy... for combat, as Saito is a smol japanese teen and I'm a big white guy.
If I had the same level of plot armor then sure combat would be easy.
What would inevitably spell my downfall would be politics / other relationships.
I probably wouldn't mess with the queen too much which would probably mess things up due to butterfly effects.
I would have to find a way to get close to Siesta to do the whole airplane arc, Zero idea how to do that, Siesta and me would be near polar opposites. Maybe I could try to be bros with her dad?
A lot of the queen's bullshit could be averted if I saved the life of her prince fiance. But by the time Saito/me would be summoned it's too late to effect the political landscape, so most I could do would be knock him out, kidnap him, and stash him at Henrietta's place while earning his ire for everything and being blamed for the failure of his rebellion / defense / whatever the right political term would be.

I have Zero confidence in doing the cliched "I have knowledge of the future plot! I must change as little as possible so I don't introduce variables so my future knowledge remains intact!" and would hit the ground running and changing shit from day one and hope for the best.

...It would forever bother me not being able to do magic in a world of magic though. I would become friends with Colbert, share what little knowledge I have, and see if we can jerryrig a way to skirt the laws of the setting. Maybe blood transfusions or organ replacements if it's a blood or genetic thing.

>>281385201
One thing I remember from reading LNs is Guiche joining the military. That was great part. Shame anime didn't adapt it.

My chocolate queen

how many vols of the ln did the anime adapt?

>>281395122
the anime just kinda did its own thing and only very loosely followed the novels, so if you're going to read the novels, you want to read all of them from the start

>>281395980
wtf. how did I not know this.
I watched anime ages ago, enjoyed it, forgot almost everything brain problems and decided to read the novels instead (which were fantastic).
You're telling me I basically get a part two now?

>>281395980
oh thats fine, its not like im in a rush to read them, right now I have like 15 lns already downloaded so znt aint happening yet

>>281396042
The first season is still close to the novels. But as far as I know, they always assumed that each season would be the final one, and back then "buy the LN if you want the rest of the story" adaptions weren't really a back then, so they tried to come up with an okay ending for each season.
And then they did get the budget for another season, so they picked some more events from the novels and adapted that next.

>>281363354 (OP)
this shit is dogshit desu
louise should have been the protagonist.

>>281364332
>>281364263
its awful because the heroine is not allowed to do anything nor face her mom

>>281379155
I would have made her a chad in a few hours

>>281374304
it certainly makes complete sense to me because almost all ZNT fanfiction is narou garbage that has a summon that completely overshadows louise

>>281392655
Just watch it

>>281392655
its bad and you'll regret it unless you just want louise to be a fuck hole for you. she never accomplishes any of her real goals.

>>281363354 (OP)

NotYuki was the best part of this shit. And the queen whore too. Louise and the elf were the worst characters.

>>281365668
>>281366479
familiar evil is kind of shit. honestly nothing in zero no tsukaimas fanfiction line up is any good. Maybe the only thing that comes close is unforeseen consequences, but that shit is a misery train that has no breaks so...

The closest thing I had to a good time was listening to halkegenia online (the one not rewritten to be even worse) which was still awful, but the whole time I was pretending I was listening to abridged sao instead of regular sao, and it was fun to turn the sociopathy up a notch in some scenes to heighten the emotional payoffs the writer never delivers on by delivering them myself
in order, louise is the chad MC from the start, the waifu train is actually already in love with her, the entire school is sick of louises shit, louise actually reads more books than tabitha, louise isn't retarded and already knows all of the things everyone planned to tutor her in, setting her up for a character arc in which the gains she makes as a mage are about the people she becomes friends with instead of how much of a cold unfeeling irl shitposter she tries to be (teenager impression of her mom). and on kirito and asuna's side of things, figuring out the fact that asuna is doing ACE and SRM in real life, leefa getting used to being open with her relationship with recon. yui overcoming her LLM safety rails in order to help isekaid hitler protect the fairy lolis, followed up by asunas old handler (((argo))) tracking down fairy traffickers while complaining friendly and bitterly about all of the shit kirito forces her to endure (KURT ASS TIFF KLEIN EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME), and asuna observes sakuya and mortimer ("his" younger x4 obsessed brother) and the entire adult playerbase of alfhiem fall apart because democratic process irl is a sham while giving a blow by blow example to the dumbfounded royalty about how it all actually works only to remember >oh wait they actually all think thats real.. oh god they think itsreal

>>281364108
Classic JC Staff bullshit.

>>281365668
>>281378080
but ultimately the point is none of that cool stuff happens because ultimately all of these fics? they don't care about louise. No one is made to look worse so louise can grow or have a good side. She's literally the poster child of silly and choleric and wants to kick saito out of her SSS rank party except she doesn't have a party and she's mostly hated by everyone and then tolerated so everyone can get to saitos dick. and every saito replacement slop almost always ends up fucked because they don't want Louise to do something cool. they want to be the cool one. In canon or fanon, Louise almost always loses access to her best friend due to ntr shittery, and almost always becomes completely overshadowed in power such that she can never serve as an adequate foil to her main social antagonist, her over protective and autistic mother that set her up to be the way she is. even canon just consists of her running away. While Louise in halk just gets told not to fight by her mother, she never plays hard ball at all, which means louise is never forced to disobey her. The school is always willing to blow louise, which means that she never has to get good through academic performance rather than practicals. basically theres no through line for louise. She's written to be utterly helpless, and nobody who ever penned a fic except for maybe the dark lady louise author has ever cared to change that. however that fic is silly in it's own ways.

Louise deserves way better. I hate that the author died because the work is captivating, but the execution is just bad.

>>281397836
>except for maybe the dark lady louise author has ever cared to change that. however that fic is silly in it's own ways.
That was pretty good and it basically addresses most of your complains. But yes it's very comedic in a specific kind of comedy.

>>281392655
stop being a nigger and watch it

>>281363354 (OP)
>main heroine had a love interest prior to meeting the MC whom she genuinely loved
Even though he was predictably secretly evil all along other isekai could never have the balls to do this.

>>281399890
that entire sequence sucked ass which is why i laugh at the guy who keeps shilling wardes. Wards is an interesting character that gets reduced down to an NTR man. The location he finds louise at as a kid could be a cool dungeon for her to explore (She doesn't if i recall right, because fuck fun right?). However they have no real chemistry at all, because Wardes isn't interested in stealing louise away from her family because hes a lolicon or cares about her or even as a vindictive way to further damage house valliere. No Wardes only concern is the wind stone crisis. Hes legitimately just tinfoil hatted and unironically believes that moving out of Eruope will allow him to survive and the albion revolt may be a fast track to that goal. Having a powerful maybe void mage on his side could also be a useful tool for that end.

Anyway the point is. Wardes interests and goals are completely slept on by the narrative. I have no honest idea if the ending thrown together by a 3rd party even addresses the wind stone crisis at all but I'm not expecting a miracle. Hes just used as an NTR man and generic bad guy instead of an opponent who has a clear motivation. Ironically this is one of the few things saito could have solved by talking to the guy, because if the wind stone crisis ever goes off then theoretically it would mean the end of global civilization. With magic in play that's not a sure thing but basically the kind of tsunamis, erruptions, and ash and gas pumped in the atmosphere could make existing and farming a challenge for years, if it was survivable at all and not immediately lethal (global temps cook everyone alive).

Basically all this shit that underlines wardes as a character and makes him who he is isn't relevant to the story being told. they just use him to cuck saito and thats it. hes further used to kill the prince and ensure louise's only close friend betrays her for dick.

>>281363354 (OP)
It's deep op

bumps

>>281389154
>Drug Louise and run away with me!

Saito chooses to die

Being a Siesta fan is suffering

Is anyone here interested in the Zero no Tsukaima seiyuu radio show?

I've got the full set (ripped from niconico), roughly 40 hours of Kugimiya Rie and Hino Satoshi talking (with the occasional guest). None of it is translated.
Here's the first one:
https://files.catbox.moe/ndeei3.flv

>>281403391
Yes we have 6 Ln, all the drama cds and three whole ass videogames that were never translated. Nowadays you can nust run them through transkriptor.com but the output isnt that good.

it's such a shame that we still don't have translations of some of the volumes. the non-mtl ftl's were excellent atleast up to vol. 4 which is the last one I read. I've watched the show many times over but the wittiness that she seems to be portrayed with in the novels isn't present. It's funny how over the last 12 years of being a fan of the series I've gone from hating louise to think that she's by far the best character. and it turns out in the source she's downright unrivalled. maybe it's time to try to immerse if the novels aren't too difficult.
>>281401158
I will now proceed to masturbate to ai louise cameltoe
>>281379155
well, based on having seen the series ten times over it'd be easy to completely conquer louise since she's just that desperate for acknowledgement. But without knowing that I'd probably just end up trying to avoid her.

holy shit it lives

>>281396530
>louise should have been the protagonist.
She is very much the protagonist tho?

Surprised they made PS2 games when this feels more like VN stuff

>>281405484
For the longest time the Japanese didnt keep capable computers, iirc for a matter of household space. That's why there arent notable japanese progamers.
The computer games that were made were anime porn games for 'weirdos'.

Zero no Tsukaima is clearly in the middle of that spectrum though. But it's definitely just a regular middle/high schooler thing.
That's why I guess it just made much more sense to make games for the PS2 since as the cultural icon it was there definitely were more PS2s than PCs among Japanese boys/young men

>>281405980
>That's why there arent notable japanese progamers.
I think a lot of that has to do with the cultural and language barrier, and that they like keeping to themselves. Then you have guys like Matz (Ruby's creator).

>>281364163
>znt remake
>no first kiss or i say yes
It's dead to me.

>>281406154
I meant pro-gamers not programmers kek

>>281406453
Hmm?

I am a bit confused by how flat she truly is. Is she 100% a washboard?

>>281407629
So flat they are concave, she said it herself

>>281407672
Poor Saito

>>281407629
>>281407672
>>281407913
Nothing a bit of magic can't fix.

>>281406654
Oh wow, I'm retarded.

>>281407629
On her best day she is.

Momo a cute. She reminds me of the Ojou in Megaman. Surprised she isn't a bitch despite her looks

>>281409442
Yeah she's my favorite after Louise.

>>281407629
God's Flattest Loli

>>281370685
>but I imagine they would avoid this just due to general japanese sararyman sensibirities

Seriously doubdtful.
The work is complete.
The work is fully adapted once already, meaning adaptation rights were already sold once.
Even if they weren't, this'd be actually easier as authors tend to negotiate and/or put their nose into the process. Estate inheritors usually don't, they're just happy to get even more money.

I love Siesta.

>>281410901
Siesta route never ever

Louis's sister is the best girl. I haven't finished yet but i hope she finds a good lad. I thought the teacher was gonna be the one but then........

>>281411425
>Is an Okama but has a daughter?
I am super confused. Does he just like to crossdress, or is he actually gay?

>>281381554
Not being able to put some things on TV couldn't be the only reason. One time in a bath together the novel had him say no to her offer of sex. The anime instead removed saying that, but moved them to a bed where it was clear what would happen next, only to add in a very stupid interruption that made no sense at all. If they had to change something there were better ways to do it.

>>281411471
Late onset dysphoria plus halkeginia doesnt have estrogen meds nor surgeons. But he obviously came across as super gay to Saito, which isn't even rare in the real-world cases.

>>281411437
She won the Maricorne bowl

>>281411802
Jesus christ you better be joking

>>281369684
Wrong.

Gremlin good for nothing witch

>>281411702
You are literally making shit up again, troon

nyaa

>>281407629
Tabitha is flatter than her.

>>281412844
>>281414492
DORK

>>281414631
I think that could have worked.

>>281405367
no she isn't.
she doesnt accomplish any of her goals
>doesnt ever confront her mom
>doesnt measure up to her best friend
in fact the only real friend she has left is her sister.

>>281409442
its monmon

>>281363354 (OP)
Should I read the LNs? I’m guessing the anime cut a lot.

>>281369938
>>281370685
>>281370235
You're aware that 99% of fiction IP is owned by the publisher, not the author right? Media Factory no doubt have the rights

>>281416440
I read halfway years ago and stopped halfway through.

There isn't enough divergence to justify sifting through the same, but in prose. Even so the differences only really start at season 4, which we could call an ultra-abridged version of 12 volumes + anime original godlike ending.
Of course, the lore and plot are tighter in the LN, like the snippets of worldbuilding that villains talk about and never get mentioned ever again in the anime are fully fledged into the story. But it's not like we watched ZnT for the lore; JC Staff was actually very smart with the adaptation in retrospect.


Only really worth if you are a diehard fan, not so much for the average anime watcher

>>281416610
Are they fully translated, though? Is there even an official release?

>>281416737
Yes they are all fairly easy to find on the internet. But it's all amateur work though, Seven Seas licensed it but published 0 volumes.

https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Zero_no_Tsukaima

>>281416737
>>281416806
>/a/nons today don't even know baka-tsuki

>>281416806
>Seven Seas licensed it but published 0 volumes
I'm surprised no other company ever picked it up, and it seems like the kind of thing that will never get translated officially unless a new anime comes out.
A lot of the companies doing LNs solely focused on current stuff is a sad reality. Nisio Isin is the singular exception and that was mostly just for the Monogatari backlog.

Do Saito and Louis have baby-making sex after the wedding in the LN or before?

>>281379847
two's company, three's a crowd

>>281414631

>>281417496
I felt sick when I first watched her say this

>>281417496
Does Saito do something later to warrant this? Cause dude has been super loyal to her so far in two seasons. Is not his fault he is caught in misunderstandings

>>281416901
What happened seems fairly clear, 75% of the anime never got a dub. The show never attempted an overseas presence since 2006 and the popularity it had ever since was an internet phenomenon.
Even official translations would be extremely hard to sell nowadays since the people who cared just read the amateur ones and grew up. And it's not like there has been very little competition in the isekai genre since 2013...

>>281417759
Did you skip the episode where he made out with the princess and kept quiet later?

>>281416928
After the wedding, during some of that night before leaving the next day. He should have started much earlier.

>>281417885
Wasn't that part of an uncover mission? And the princess started it

>>281418298
pic related


But in part you are right and it's pretty overblown in these threads how much Saito really did cheat if at all. I'd have to rewatch the anime to tell. I would have liked if he was more like Makoto though

>>281417496
There would be a difference if he was doing something without her knowledge instead of if another girl was invited to join them.

At first Louise seemed like a huge bitch, but I ended up feeling really bad for her as the story progressed. She had zero self esteem and got bullied all day long before Saito showed up. Once he warms up to her she gets attached because he's the first guy to care about her even a little bit for who she is and not as a means to an end, and then he proceeds to chase every other girl on the continent. To top it all off, her sole friend from childhood ends up trying to steal him from her and gives zero fucks about the consequences. In the LNs she literally even attempts suicide after he seemingly dies to save her. Then later on she gets so desperate for him to stay with her that she says stuff like this >>281417496. It all feels really mean-spirited in hindsight.

>>281418732
A tragic heroine. At least now she is happy in Japan.

>>281418732
>attempts suicide
What the fuck man

>>281418949
Yeah it's after Saito apparently dies holding off the enemy army so she can get away. She thinks he's dead and tries jumping off a tower so she can go be with him. I don't remember the scene happening in the anime so maybe it was LN only.

>>281419109
I figured it was in relation to that event, and while she was beyond devastated, I had no idea she went that far in the LN. Poor girl

>>281419364
>>281419109
LN scene obviously. The Anime as said before mpstñy does their one thing

>>281399890
do you have balls anon

Starting S3 now

>>281420311
Oof. Did you download the OVA? It's mandatory.

>>281420372
Of course

>>281420311
That's one hell of an upscale.

>>281420479
Nice, It goes after episode 5 or 6

Louis has to be the first and only tsundere i forgive. I have a weakness for cute witches, i guess

I was wondering when a bully Ojou witch Sama show up.

HOHOHO included

Anime Dumbledore is so based

>>281379847
>>281409442
The Japanese characters look very Japanese and the Isekai Europeans look very white... Great attention to detail

Tiffania>Louise

>>281422460
You could feed a family of 5 with her cannons

>>281418732
see >>281397759
>>281397836

don't die, ZnT thread

>>281363940
I think they should've waited till s3 to bring saito back

>>281420550
It's a mix of OP using Judas, who compresses the shit out of every anime, and the ZnT BD only having upscales for S1-3.
Upscaling a lot of SD era digital stuff like ZnT will tend to give it a muddy look. If you want a particularly bad example of this, the old Digimon Adventure BDs were a travesty of colours not looking right, lots of blurry edges. A lot of companies just didn't preserve the resources to render the anime out again in HD I guess- the only one that did seems to have been Detective Conan, which has the best SD era remasters of a digital anime I've seen.

>>281421196
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EoU-2MLKps