Thread 281401959

>the isekai trend is america's fault
https://animecorner.me/frieren-director-voices-concern-on-overseas-anime-fans-bias-towards-certain-popular-trends/

>>281401959 (OP)
Usually when people say overseas means China they're coping hard but in this case i'm pretty sure overseas means China.

Americans ruin everything they touch

>>281401959 (OP)
He didn't say that though.

>>281402034
No, that's exactly what it always means

>>281402069
>“I have had the opportunity to attend overseas conventions and interact with overseas fans, and I have a vague feeling that the Japanese anime that overseas fans go crazy about may be a little biased. Popular things are, as to be expected, popular, but a large current (wave) forms. For those on the creative side, I think this is also a situation where a disconnect could be born [between us and the audience].
>Because the current is so strong, if we focus too much on it, only that aspect becomes emphasized as anime’s defining characteristic. Before it gets to that point, I feel it’s important to share anime’s diverse appeal with the world. I have a desire to create works that can draw the world’s attention through a variety of approaches.“

>>281402314
So all he said was that gaijin should watch more anime. How does that relate to Isekai?

>>281401959 (OP)
>Keiichiro Saito

>>281402392
>How does that relate to Isekai?
Read the whole article idiot.

>>281402562
Right looks sexier.

>>281402564
A completely different director from a different interview brings up isekai.

>>281402034
He specifically mention America
>Saito says he’s debating whether to create a widely accepted IP with an eye on the Academy Awards in the U.S.,
>‘level up’ stories are an echo of the famous ‘American dream’

>>281402696
They're all talking about isekai you stupid fuck.

Who cares

>>281401959 (OP)
Anime won't exist without America, anon and if it did just be random projects here and there but mostly just artsy shorts like most countries when it comes to animation.

>>281401959 (OP)
He's a hipster who is butthurt about certain genres being more popular.

>>281401959 (OP)
America is an ocean away, China and South Korea is a sea away.

>>281402564
I'm not clicking your link faggot.

>>281402034
how is china "overseas" from japan

>>281401959 (OP)
Anime has been chasing fads forever. Sports, mechs, magical girls, harems, and so on.

>>281403289
Look at a map of east asia.

>>281401959 (OP)
Elf sex isn't a trend, it's a way of life.

If you're going to write power fantasy slop, regression is a better plot device than isekai desu

>>281402643
kys faggot

>>281402034
How are people coping when they say that China invests more money into anime than America?

You won't really find a lot of people in the west obsessed with dragon quest style games which basically all isekai are inspired by. It's all Asians and south Americans

>Today, we have 10 titles currently being published with the word ‘villainness’ and all are bestsellers.
based Akuyaku Reijous

The Japanese are well known for their accountability except for those Korean rapes that they definitely didn’t do.

>>281401959 (OP)
>Keiichiro Saito
I think he has a point

>>281401959 (OP)
says the director of an anime whose story managed to become popular only because it is packed with trends and western tropes (other than being a coomerfest)

>>281401959 (OP)
>isekai trend is america's fault
I thought only spics and chinks watch that garbage?

>>281401959 (OP)
the only isekai I've watched is Overlord and it sucked

>>281402730
>‘level up’ stories are an echo of the famous ‘American dream’

>>281401959 (OP)
It's terribly awful of him to pinpoint the issue on the overseas market for the stagnancy of anime, something that has already started since the 00s. The utter lack of self-awareness is hilarious. He should've asked Japan as to why anime has become stale lately, not overseas. Overseas are mostly bandwagoning Jumpfags.

>>281402869
>anime wouldn't exist without America
Is this some isekai plot you're subtly pitching? Because it sure as hell isn't true in our world.

>>281401959 (OP)
99% of the time "oveaseas" is code for Chinese when it comes to /a/ - Anime & Manga.

>>281401959 (OP)
>overseas
>must mean murricans
>can't be chinkland or hueistan
>time to start a bait thread
okay retard

>japs are still mindbroken by americans
Sugoi!!!

Original animation is high risk.
Trends are determined by manga and novels.

>>281403508
give me a harem anime full of akuyaku reijous (yuri)

>>281402869
>>281404029
Anime exists because of Disney

>>281404029
anime wouldn't exist if it weren't for GIs popularizing Disney movies in Japan

>>281402869
Lol

For people in doubt, please remember there's a certain demographic in US that WANT everything handed to them simply because they exist.

>>281403289
>American education

>>281401959 (OP)
>Japan makes 80% of it's televised content and manga isekai
>"It's America's fault Isekai is popular"
Brother what?

>>281404364
Those people do not watch anime, and when they do it’s surface level stuff.

Basically none of the most popular and influential anime in the west were or are isekai. From the beginning all the way through to current year, current day.

>durr i found america and isekai in the same sentence
>quick make clickbait headline

>>281401959 (OP)
Ah, yes. It's my fault that Japan churns out so much isekai because I like browsing in used bookstores for copies of the Dray Prescott series from the 70's.

>>281403384
90° >>> cowtits

>>281401959 (OP)
it's funny that he says those things while having directed frieren lol

>>281404064
Not when it comes to manga.
France, Anglo, German and South Korea are ahead of China there and Italy isn't far behind.

>>281401959 (OP)
>native isekai director complains about too many isekai
????????????????????

>>281404244
>yuri
Kill yourself faggot

>>281404234
Yep, it makes no sense to blame overseas for all these adaptations. It's not like they're reading tons of Japanese isekai.

>>281402034
China prefers cultivation WNs. Isekai is all Japan, who just want more Dragon Quest slop with an identifiably Nippon protagonist that gets a harem.

>>281401959 (OP)
Himmel turning out to be an isekaijin is more than confirmed by now, the author needs to sell.

i'm only here to post about my love for aura

I love isekai, I love fantasy, I love frieren

>>281401959 (OP)
Frieren is mediocre. It took an excellent premise of reminisce, dying, and acceptance which everyone who started watching it wanted to see. Then Freieren raised a daughter and flushed the story down the toilet by having shounen battle school, stale political intrigue, and trying to become another generic fantasy adventure anime.

>>281406898
I think the themes are okay on their own, but when compared to everything else Japan produces, it's just another "NOTHING LASTS FOREVER, ENJOY THE MOMENT" mono no aware slop to add to the pile.

>>281403289
When you're an island nation, I think that's quite easy.

>>281404616
>ifunny.co
ok demon

>>281406934
I can't disagree. I loved where Freiren seemed to be going in the first episode and expected something like Mushishi but more poignant, except it turned out to be very shallow and repetitive. Mono no aware isn't necessarily bad even if it's a trope. To argue otherwise would be like arguing that the duality of man isn't worth exploring just because it has been done a thousand times before in literature or religion.

Konosuba's the only isekai I can think of that's popular in burgerland and wasn't immediately forgotten after it aired
maybe SAO if that counts

A few weeks ago I saw a whaleoid in a thrift store wearing a Made in Abyss t-shirt.

I don't think isekai is America's fault, that calls for reading which Americans do not do, and something with bad prose at that. Even with manga, most people I know do not read it and wait for the dub. If anything I expected badly translated webnovels to be kryptonite.

>>281405263
It's 180° you stupid fuck. 90° is a right angle.

GENTLEMEN, I LOVE ISEKAI.
I LOVE REINCARNATORS. I LOVE CHEETO POWERS. I LOVE HUMBLE SHOELACERS. I LOVE HAUGHTY VILLAINESSES. LOVE INVISIBLE STORAGE CRATE. I LOVE STATUS SCREENS. I LOVE NUMERICALLY VALID CHARACTER STATS GOING FROM -255 TO 255. I LOVE MAGIC CRYSTAL BALL THAT EXPLODES TRYING TO MEASURE POWERLEVELS. I LOVE SLAVERY. I LOVE SLUTTY ELVES. I LOVE BEASTGIRLS WHO CALL YOU ONII-CHAN. I LOVE DELICIOUS CHOCO DEMON GENERAL GIRLS. I LOVE THE ISEKAI TOWN LAYOUT. I LOVE THE ISEKAI TRUCK. I...LOVE...ISEKAI.

the fuck? I'm old as fuck and don't go to cons as frequently as I used to but it's still the most basic bitch mainstream stuff that gets attention at them still, the most popular stuff is always gonna be fucking battle shonen

>>281401959 (OP)
>Isekai
He's talking about the gay shipping you idiot

>>281407555
You're a genuine retard

Feels good to be an American. People just assume we're in control of everything, all the time lol plus we're big and strong and shoot guns every day

>>281406898
>>281406934
>>281407082
The best arc of the entire manga is a villain centric battle shonen

>>281407279
Whatever you say cowfag

>>281407706
>plus we're big
kek, sure are

>>281403289
Funny part is that you think the Pacific and Atlantic are Seas and not Oceans.

>>281401959 (OP)
>Saito says he’s debating whether to create a widely accepted IP with an eye on the Academy Awards in the U.S., or something deeper
>This was before he said (regarding what’s important in promoting Japanese anime to the world)
They want to be the next Miyazaki so bad because he has the gaijin approval kek
But his lastest movie is pretty much forgotten despite it won an academy award kek

>>281401959 (OP)
Technically is america's fault because they keep destroying japanese culture
But its also japan's fault because they are willingly to destroy their culture for monetary gain

>>281401959 (OP)
>Isekai-loving amerifat detected

>>281402034
You're coping hard.

>>281403944
I mean, moving out West and starting a new life is SORT of like isekai, but that hasn't been the "American dream" for like 150 years, so his analogy may be outdated. Or he might be mixing up concepts, because now that I check, the "American dream" wasn't coined till the 1930's Depression era, for the ideal that society should enable each person to fulfill their potential and improve their life.

I guess it KINDA works if you squint, but I agree the initial reflex is to spit out your drink and laugh your ass off.

>>281401959 (OP)
>director of anime full of isekai tropes just without anyone who was isekaid voices concern about popular trends
Like man, I like Frieren a lot, but beyond the initial setup of an Elf realizing her perception of time is skewed and the connected sorrowful event and the higher quality, the story just goes down the same checklist of your average isekai fantasy world exploration story down to the overconfident antagonists getting subverted by the protag being secretly busted. The story might as well be set in the
Mushoku Tensei universe for how little difference it would make.

>>281411445
The modern American Dream are the rags-to-riches success stories which are pretty common in isekai where they start out from nothing.

>>281402730
>‘level up’ stories are an echo of the famous ‘American dream’
That's reach and a half of the guy, it's really not that deep. The popularity of 'level up' stories was born out of the already popular mostly korean trope with gates opening in the modern world that lead to fantasy dungeons, the most popular of which happened to be titled "Solo Leveling". Funny thing is that didn't just cause a gazillion "Leveling" stories to spawn but also many "Solo something something" stories, because the whole thing is just that shallow.

>>281401959 (OP)
Remember when Final Fantasy Tactics Advanced called out isekai as escapism twenty years ago?

>>281401959 (OP)
Bullshit.
TenSura is the commercially by far strongest isekai franchise, yet last I checked in terms of manga and LN sales it's still 90% the domestic Japanese audience and only 10% the "rest of the world".

>>281412020
It didn't. It had to twist "the isekai" into being some eldritch trap that is sucking the life out of everyone to conveniently affirm the MC's claim that it's "all just a dream", which he asserted even before knowing the actual truth.

>>281401959 (OP)
TLDR OP is retarded and doesn't realize the west is always a few years behind on anime trends.

>>281411748
My understanding was that it's the ideal that people should be able to steadily improve their life just by being a good wagie. Something more modest and ubiquitous than striking it rich. By that director's theory, a defined leveling system may appeal to a longing for that kind of fairness. Except my impression (as an admitted nonreader, so correct me if I'm generally wrong) is that these stories tend to be about the MC finding an exploit, so the longing is more for an easymode than a fair system.

>>281412480
Didn't realize Slime was that popular. No wonder there's so many cheap prize figs when I browse Amazon. I couldn't tell if that meant they were popular, or underselling. Same with Rem from Re:Zero or Megumi from Saekano. I haven't read/watched any of these.

>>281406343
China loves power fantasy same as korea

>>281406343
Cultivation is basically leveling up, at any rate.

>>281411748
Except they almost never start out with nothing and get handed the keys to success out of the gate.

Anime always overspecializes. I can bring up literal baby boomers complaining about all the Giant Robot anime in the 70's.

What makes it feel different these days is there's more shows in the 10's and the 20's than the 00's, and many many more than we had back in the 70's-90's. So in an absolute sense, when a trend captures the industry, there's simply more examples of trend chasing. More shows. More cuts. More minutes of animation. More trend chasing in the absolute sense.

This aspect of “following trends” comes mostly from web novel, right? Basically, anyone can easily publish their own novel there, so there are a lot of imitation slops.

>>281401959 (OP)
>create a genre that involves some japanese incel being teleported to a western style fantasy world
>japanese incel builds a harem of western women who love him because he's "nice" or "intellect"
>this becomes the most popular genre of light novels in japan
>somehow this is the "overseas fans" fault

retarded manlet

>>281412640
Yes, I think there is a reason why Solo leveling have been more successful in the West than in Asia. In Japan and China, Apocalypse Hotel was more popular than SL Season 2.

>>281403374
based

>>281411748
Most modern isekai are absolutely not about rags-to-riches success. They're more like stories of billionaire children getting millions of dollars in investments from their parents and then 20 years later they try and say they started from zero because they started their company in a garage.

>>281413804
I can't tell if that's just a bracelet Himmel is wearing, or if he has his right hand bound up (why only one hand though?) for kinky reasons.

>>281401959 (OP)
We need to tariff anime, its the only way we can save the industry.

>>281414032
Looks kind of big for a bracelet, and not fitting his style. Option 2 seems more plausible, even if still a bit weird.

>>281411748
>>281413973
Both of your analogies completely miss the point.
It's more like an average person one day suddenly won in the lottery and actually made good use of this newfound wealth. Or from a higher perspective the MC lost the roulette game for his first life on earth, but won the jackpot in the roulette for his second life in the otherworld.

>>281401959 (OP)
This is why mainstream is bad. I hope CR goes bankrupt and that britain censorship will kill illegal streaming so that only pirates survive, as it should be.

>>281402776
And I'm not reading this low effort thread you fucking retard.

>>281403944
Fucking yankees and their level up system!!

>>281402730
He won't blame the popularity video games, he'll only blame [insert country I don't like]

>>281414159
Something like that. The American Dream's not supposed to require winning the lottery, or even being born American (i.e. doing good in the birth lotto).

>>281401959 (OP)
>Shigeo Akahori (chief animation direction: TEXHNOLYZE / key animation: The Cat Returns, The Secret World of Arrietty, The Tale of the Princess Kaguya) said that the anime industry was weakening, in part because there was too much of an emphasis on strictly faithful adaptations, rather than giving freedom to creators to create.
Sourcefags...

>>281401959 (OP)
>Takes some time out from storyboarding all the Solitar foota scenes he's including in s2 to shit talk Americans
Literally living the dream

How many studios target the international market anyway?

Yeah, he's right

>>281411179
Fern is spiritually American though.

Third worlders will cry and accuse Americans of thinking we're the center of the world, then read the word "overseas" in an article and automatically assume it must be talking about America.

>>281401959 (OP)
No wonder isekai or shit like Solo Leveling are popular in the West. People here hate things they dont know, they want to get same story, action and tropes all over again and again. Most of western animation suck balls now. Fucking normies and zoomers.

It's true that there is a bias in the popularity of anime in the West and that's not about Isekai.
For example, in Japan, Ruri Rock, Hikaru, and Apocalypse Hotel have gained popularity, but what about in the West? Solo Leveling(another 173748564th power fantasy) is something you should definitely watch this year! lol. Saito literally said about this.
Basically, Japanese audiences love slop products too but seem to be far more open-minded toward seemingly niche themes and enjoy the diversity of creativity. In the West, only truly deep anime fans reach that level just like weirdos on 4chan.

>>281414529
If the faggot wants to create he can make his own show and not an adaptation.

>>281403508
I want more dolkness.

>>281414830
US hegemony is the geopolitical reality still, even if it is quickly eroding away. I do have somewhat of a hard time believing that americans like Isekai more than other asians though like this anon said >>281402034

>>281412020
FUCK MARCHE

>>281401959 (OP)
what isekai are they even talking about? isekai was more popular like 10 years ago

>>281413019
Cultivation is a very specific kind of leveling up, and it's sometimes found in shounenshit but in Chinese media it's very specific and involves their folk religious nonsense.
You spend seven thousand years meditating to be made the ninth general of heaven's east gate and everyone basedfaces when you walk in the room.

>>281414529
I'm not gonna argue that every source material is great but a lot of original additions tend to suck major dick to the point where they get retconned out of the story in S2 because they realize it was fucking retarded.
If they want to 'create' something then they should make originals

>SoL can be popular in japan
>Meanwhile anime that is popular in murricadiabetes is something like solo levelling

yep he is 100% right

>>281415809
>it is quickly eroding away
It isn't in any danger unless China actually stops relying on the west to buy their cheap shit or unless Europe actually starts to reindustrialize. Both are unlikely right now though under the current trash rulers we all have
America is governed like shit for sure and is absolutely on the decline, but until someone even half competent shows up they will continue to be king, even if completely mismanaged.

>>281416118
You forgot to mention that that is just limited to the "current world/realm". Once you rise up to the next highest world/realm, it's like a reset and the MC realizes that he was "just a frog in a well" and the highest most respected divine emperors he knew and fought so hard to defeat over the course of 500 chapters wouldn't even fit the standard of an average slave at birth who as a baby could delete those so-called "emperors" from a lower world/realm from existence with a casual sneeze.

>>281401959 (OP)
It's not America, it's South East Asia. They gobble up every bit of isekai Kadokawa puts out and beg for seconds.

>isekai still assblasting these retards more than 10 years later
BASED

>>281402314
You can copy this message and apply it to any media, country or culture of any kind.

>>281402034
Exactly what it means. Everyone seems to forget including America that the highest number of Anime fans are in fact Chinese themselves for overseas along with South Korea and SEA. For China They are a gigantic market. Just look at the Gacha for Naruto in China alone. Those numbers are huge. No way could America reach those numbers. America at best is 5th or 6th.

China and South Korea love power fantasy and they like RPG Inspired things. The sad reality is not many people know Solo Leveling is South Korean despite it receiving an adaptation from Japanese companies.

>says that but shills frieren native isekai
Every time.

>>281416757
Agreed. I like Isekai myself. People only make assumptions about Isekai being bad because they do not read it or watch it and realize there is variety under such a broad banner. There is Harems, there is stories of Betrayal, Revenge, Villainess stories, even Fanservice and great world building once you watch past the first episode and the 1st chapter.

>>281416880
Asians have some gene that makes gambling addiction hit them really hard I've noticed.
Lootboxes are under huge scrutiny in the west and most besides some whales hate them, but seems like every Asian is absolutely fine with gacha shit and not even caring when the game gets shut down too.

>>281417054
I agree personally. I think it's best to describe it in the way of how White people see Live Service and how Asians do. Asians love the whole chance gambling thing, while White people for the most part just like buying things directly and do not like the whole gambling aspect but tolerate it.

>>281402776
shit article is all over the place and brings up random things out of the blue.
Actual discussion that the Frieren director had was more along the lines of pointing out that westies only seem to collectively support a very small handful of very popular shows based on his interaction with western fans, and that those shows all had the same sort of feeling to them. Its actually much more likely he is talking about anime that gets deemed acceptable more than anything here.
It's actually pretty funny that for how individualistic Americans are supposed to be, they end up liking only a handful of shows because they seek the approval of their peers more than anything else.

>>281401959 (OP)
That's such a very Japanese mentality. The problem can't possibly be Japanese, it has to be overseas. The manga and anime industry lack artistic integrity, this is the problem. It's not just the overworked creatives that are trapped in the rat race, it's also the pernicious editorialising, the committees, the publishing process, etc. Also, it's not like big domestic trends don't exist, just look at the huge amounts of untranslated isekai manga that are still locked behind moon runes.

Them Japs need to stop pretending their shit doesn't stink. Right now, they have a great cultural advantage because their media output is both qualitatively better and more voluminous that all the rest of Asia combined. But they must not be complacent, much less blame stagnancy on the gaijin.

>>281417054
I will live my remaining years in this world and I will eventually depart it without ever knowing what the fuck is the Asian's deal with gacha. It's so fucking insectoid, and it's morally unjustifiable. If gacha disappeared overnight, absolutely no one except the mentally insane or the asiatic would ever claim it was a bad thing.

>>281401959 (OP)
>Saito says he’s debating whether to create a widely accepted IP with an eye on the Academy Awards in the U.S.
please no I don't need oscarpozslop in anime too

>>281402730
>‘level up’ stories are an echo of the famous ‘American dream’
lmfao you can feel how clever he thought he was being saying this shit

>>281402730
>>281401959 (OP)
So this is still fake news, right? lol.
>guy is talking about Awards in the US
>does a mid take comparing 'level up' stories to America to link the topics
>clickbait implies America made isekai or isekai is made for America (wrong)
>even though 'villainess stories' are isekai
>everyone believes OP (as usual)

Japan should adapt his story into an anime series then.

>>281417290
One would think that Makoto Shinkai already had that base covered.

>>281417243
Asians just love gambling in all its forms.

>>281417180
>only seem to collectively support a very small handful of very popular shows
and that's a strange overseas phenomena to him?

>>281415344
It's a distribution and promotion problem, not some quality of the audience.

>>281417456
I would say that the quality of the audience is also a problem. But that has always been the case. So complaining about it is pure silliness.

>>281417243
It's literally just trading card games, but digital. Magic the Gathering is American and got big in the '90s, inspiring a bunch of others like Yugioh. Baseball cards are even older.

>>281417361
Just the usual isekai hater that loves everything isekai does but not isekai.
Hmm what is it called again.

>>281417456
>distribution
No. Solo Leveling and Apocalypse Hotel are on the same platform.
>promotion
Kind of, Solo Leveling is bankrolled by Crunchyroll, which is why they promote the fuck out of it.
Hilariously enough it didn't do shit for A1, the actual studio who animated it. They actually ended up losing money over the last year.

>>281417484
'a quality' as in some inherent characteristic, not quality as in the degree of excellence or not

>>281417534
I don't think it's a 1:1 comparison. Because there is at least a point to physical media while gacha is squarely digital and purposefully made to simply disappear once the economic incentive is gone. I'm not in love with the baseball cards business model, but gacha is pure degeneracy as it is purely extractive.

>>281402730
>anime censorship and isekaislop is America's fault
Wow, now it makes a ton of sense.

>>281417625
That's capitalism for you

>>281417678
I don't think this a capitalism issue. It's a moral issue.

>>281417695
>capitalism is totally moral doesn't destroy everything for profit
lol

>>281417767
That is a shockingly boring and off-topic discussion that I have zero interest in. And even less so when you're already greentexting like someone fresh off the boat.

Somehow I'm way more sick and tired of the "OP MC get's unjustly kicked out of his adventurer party" trope. Why is that?

>>281417827
>Why is that?
Probably because it's just one of those bitter tropes where writers project their mental episodes and try to justify themselves as not being actually inadequate but just misunderstood/victims of envy.

>>281417827
That's falls under fantasy btw before you spout your isekai boogeyman rant.

>>281417827
it's an even more blatant fantasy fulfillment than typical narouslop, it's the 'and then everyone clapped' story

>>281417827
I swear I've seen at least 10 different anime do that trope this season alone

>>281417810
>off-topic discussion
Read your posts first. Pot meets kettle.

>>281401959 (OP)
Isekai was a mistake

>>281417925
Anon, this is a thread related to an article about Japanese culture and overseas reception. The topic may naturally branch out to other semi-related things, all in good faith and all in good fun. But why the fuck would anyone want to discuss the most teenager /pol/ vomit imaginable? Seriously, just fuck off. If you're going to shift the conversation towards politics, at least be sensible about it instead of just dropping "UGH THE EVILS OF CAPITALISM" bullshit.

>>281401959 (OP)
Does he realize we think it's a joke?

>>281418012
Just make a thread on /v/, you crybaby.

>>281401959 (OP)
me gucci no frieren elfu sexy magico del footsu

>>281417827
i cant get enough of these. seeing the old party struggle is always hilarious.

>>281414529
I've been saying this for years, but there was going to come a time where anime fans were gonna be nostalgic for GONZO original endings. It's funny.

I wouldn't mind faithfulness to the source material if manga, LNs, VNs, etc. were unironically pumping out masterpieces. But that simply isn't the case. The problem here is that it's way easier to storyboard an adaptation if you remain faithful to the source, and it's also a good idea if it turns out popular so that you can jump right to S2.

>>281417290
>>281417386
Yeah, Shinkai has that on lockdown. Saito should consider making something worthy of a Palme d'Or.

>>281418076
I'm sure that nonsense post makes every bit of sense inside of your head. This is your last (You).

>>281418161
Would definitely be a very praiseworthy goal, but contemporary Japanese cinema has been consistently pumping out masterpieces at Cannes.

>>281418168
I hope you don't go into any more melties when someone insults your precious capitalism. Off you go.

>>281417827
It is one of the most contrived fucking plots for slop and I hate it

*ruins anime forever*

>>281417827
what was the one show that made it popular, it seems like it came out of nowhere

>>281403289
Are you from Agartha?

I'm somwhat of a normalfag when it comes to anime
What are some good isekai?

Re:Zero inspired a lot of series from Mushoku Tensei to Takopi to Tokyo Revengers, huge popular hits in modern era.
Whole Korean Manhwa regression tropes got popular because Re:Zero sparkled entire Regression theme back then.
So popular it broke Crunchyroll servers twice when airing which is only non-shounen ever to achieve this.

>>281416880
>The sad reality is not many people know Solo Leveling is South Korean despite it receiving an adaptation from Japanese companies.
bullshit, the character names alone make it completely obvious. they're the entire reason my racist ass dropped the show because i can't remember dung kim dog doo and kong zim wulu are two different guys.

>>281418843
>Re:Zero inspired a lot of series from Mushoku Tensei
Stopped reading right there, absolute retard.

>>281418803
If you're that new, look for Isekai Quartet and those are the biggest entry-level isekai. good without specifics is too contentious of a topic.

>>281418803
dunbine
escaflowne
12 kingdoms

>>281401959 (OP)
>overseas anime fans have bias towards certain popular trends
…As in lolis, grooming, and incest? Surprised the Frieren director of all people would call this out considering Frieren itself is pretty much free of said creepy tropes and is one of the most normalfag, Reddit safe anime in years.

>>281402034
>Usually when people say overseas means China they're coping
>but surely not the time i desperately need it to

>>281403289
fucking lost

>>281401959 (OP)
Give me a fucking break. Since when does Japan give two shits about what Americans think? Sorry, you don't get to blame us for your nation's otakus and their stale, derivative tastes.

>>281417054
I've noticed this every time I've visited a casino.
I always expect it to be like the movies; Diverse groups of people having a blast. But it's always just rooms full of stressed out Asians who look they want to die.

>>281402730
Really? I mean I guess you could say that, but I believe a lot of Americans react poorly to isekai because it tends to downplay the "hard work" aspect of success. The so-called Protestant work ethic is not reflected in the instant zero to hero reincarnation stories.

>>281401959 (OP)
Yup. Isekai is a homage to Carl Barks who unarguably wrote the end-all of getting rich stories where a duck gets rich in the Gold Rush. The turning of a 'useless skill' into a 'cheat skill' symbolizes the effort of the aspiring capitalist that is nonetheless called luck by the envious-and in fact it was luck to get that busted skill.
Villainess stories are post-Carl Barks. This is where I'll disagree with the director-it's very capitalist. Villainess stories often have the protagonist, an affluent noble, work on products (inspired by the past life) and shows the entrepreneur sense of a capitalist as is a common trend in any story set after the gold rush.

>>281419539
In casinos near me tons of slot machines are chink themed too. Like, probably at least 40%-50% of them.
So casinos absolutely know this too.
I also realize now why pachinko was so huge in Japan

>>281418803
>isekai for normalfags
Inuyasha, just avoid the non-canon sequel which panders to lolicons.

>>281417695
Jesus christ, look at the cognitive dissonance on this sap.

>>281402730
That's funny considering isekai is created as escapism for suicidal japanese company workers

>>281412020
Marche was a retard then, and he's a retard now. Mewt did nothing wrong.

>>281417695
It is but the kneejerk reaction from capitalism fags is always "it's better than Marxism" as if there aren't other systems at all before they came into being or after, including one both sides fear, but I don't want to derail.
Anyway, capitalism says greed is good and then people get surprised when certain people make incredibly ant consumer policies, it is odd to me

>>281419539
You live in a chink area then, my casinos have everyone there.

>>281418803
Escaflowne

>>281419616
Huh, I always assumed isekai was an homage to Horatio Algiers.

>It's bad that gaijin think all modern anime is isekai trash
to be honest it's better and more accurate then thinking it's all tentacle rape hentai like boomers did or arty high budget 80/90s OVAs that Xers idolize.

>>281419813
Most normalfags think anime is all loli pedo incestuous slop though.

>>281419626
I don't think you understand what cognitive dissonance means.

>>281419689
>It is but the kneejerk reaction from capitalism fags is always "it's better than Marxism"
You're the one saying it. There is no point to this discussion at all when you're already making uncharitable assumptions like that. Also, it's a topic that requires greater nuance, because China isn't exactly capitalistic in any conventional sense yet they've embraced the gambling industries very enthusiastically. So yes, this is a moral issue fundamentally. But for whatever reason, you feel the need into turning this into another off-topic struggle session about capitalism, when everyone in good faith could just leave it being the great moral evil that it is. Now THAT is odd to me.

>>281419616
I thought Billy Bat was the homage to Carl Barks

>>281404249
>Anime exists because of Disney
Why is it full of pedophilia and incest while Disney isn’t then?

>>281420198
Are you going to cry?

>>281401959 (OP)
Total westoid death
>>281402034
Why is this industry shill defence force so hell bent on pushing the blame for whatever america does to China

>>281420405
Are you feeling unwell, friend?

Japan should be grateful the Americans killed their own comics industry with the CCA.

>>281414529
FMA:B fucking destroyed the anime industry. FMA 2003 was great and better than both brotherhood and manga but wasn't le faithful to the manga so anime started to give total priority to faithfulness and suddenly having good direction and atmosphere became completely irrelevant things. Just slap a generic soap opera direction style with a generic orchestral OST and people will eat ze slop because it follows the manga.

>>281420484
>FMA 2003 was great and better than both brotherhood and manga but wasn't le faithful to the manga
It's been a very long time since I've seen this bait being posted.

>>281420512
It's not bait, how in the fuck is "Generic JRPG boss battle ending where MC wins because he had FRIEEEEENDS" better than 2003? even the retard shit with the half mecha dude was easier to respect. Also the way brotherood speedran the first important deaths was embarrasing.

>>281420429
I know you are

>>281420546
I'm not going to pretend that I don't understand the point of your post. I actually agree with what you're saying and there are plenty of great practical examples of this like Kare Kano. But why exactly did you have to bring up a very stupid and very controversial example like FMB 2003? Boggles the mind. Because even if you're being 100% sincere (and why wouldn't you when there is a legitimate argument for treating anime as anime instead of manga slop converter), you're simply undermining yourself.

>>281420614
This is a very respectful and good post overall so I'll take my exit

Stfu, that's a blatant lie. If that were even remotely true, isekai manga or LNs that only ever get domestic releases wouldn't be selling well.

>>281420567
Anon, this isn't /v/. If you're still butthurt about our exchange earlier and still fighting very hard for my attention, this is the wrong board for you to have silly meltdowns. Just take a couple of deep breaths and realize that the Internet is not the real life. So you don't have to act deranged. That is all I have to say to you.

>>281420294
>China isn't exactly capitalistic in any conventional sense yet they've embraced the gambling industries very enthusiastically
China has restricted/cracked down on gaming and gambling multiple times to even put a 1 hour gaming limit and calling it spiritual opium.
You won't find something like Vegas on the mainland.
A few years back they even considered regulating the industry, but after stocks fell, they walked it back, so "enthusiastically" would be a wrong way to describe it.
You're so insistent in thinking that monetization systems are somehow divorced from economic systems, and that its only a moral issue not a certain economic system. Well it can be both dumbass.

>>281420669
When did the internet meta become "accuse the other side of having a breakdown when in all likelihood both users are calmly sitting at their desks and sipping Caprisun"?

>>281420707
Not sure what you're saying. This isn't /v/, that is all I said. /a/ used to have proper board etiquette and not have anons constantly fighting for attention like some injured spouse.

>>281418149
yeah people taking faithfulness to mean 'we framed this shot like the manga panel' rather than something to do with the spirit of the work is the big issue

>>281420749
Every board now is just a mix between /pol/, /v/ and /r9k/. Board identity and etiquette is just a thing of the past.

>>281420706
>You're so insistent in thinking that monetization systems are somehow divorced from economic systems, and that its only a moral issue not a certain economic system. Well it can be both dumbass.
Nice, I didn't even have to respond to that guy. This is a succinct way of putting it.
Anyway the Marxism vs Capitalism false dichotomy needs to die. Both systems are retarded for putting economics and theory above everything else.

>>281420706
>China has restricted/cracked down on gaming and gambling multiple times to even put a 1 hour gaming limit and calling it spiritual opium.
This is verifiably not true.
>You're so insistent in thinking that monetization systems are somehow divorced from economic systems,
These are, again, your own words.
>and that its only a moral issue not a certain economic system.
Regardless of the economic aspect, it can be accurately defined as a moral issue. Not sure why this offends you.

This is a tedious conversation. Sounds like you want to have your struggle session about X economic system and I have no interest in that conversation.

Anime & Manga

>>281419655
alice in wonderland and space jam are both american

>>281420749
When did the internet meta become "accuse the other guy of having a breakdown when both posters are very likely not having a breakdown and are idling away on their phones/computers"?
Tried to rewrite it so that learning disabled folks could understand, hope this helps.

>>281420779
Why does this suddenly become a "struggle session" when the conversation when a certain economic system is criticized? I'd argue it was a struggle session the moment you began to complain about gacha.

>>281401959 (OP)
b-but Isekaichads told me that isekai was TRVE NIPPON CVLTVRE, devoid of western degeneracy and woke moralists. What is this?!

>>281420779
Economic systems and morality are both intertwined.
Why do you think people kill/murder/steal for money? Money has always played a big role in how people act morally in real life.
The same can be said about the way economies are structured.

>>281420878
VRmmo anime isn't isekai btw

>>281420869
>Why does this suddenly become a "struggle session" when the conversation when a certain economic system is criticized?
Because it sounds extremely immature to me and I have very little patience for it. It's such an obvious and boring thing to cry about when you see the world simply not working as intended. But lacks sophistication and nuance.
>I'd argue it was a struggle session the moment you began to complain about gacha.
That's fine. I've definitely been struggling with even trying to comprehend gacha at all for many years now.

>>281420889
>Economic systems and morality are both intertwined.
They're obviously not. Why are you even making this claim? I subscribe to the theory that money was invented for the sake of justice. But to claim that economy and morality are somehow intertwined is a very silly thing to say.

>>281420910
And you're struggling to comprehend even now why the pressures of an economic system would contribute to the formation of system revolving around...monetary transactions. It doesn't matter if the tenor of the argument comes off as immature to you. I've seen nuanced but philosophically pessimistic takes because certain posters believed that pessimism belonged to a juvenile stage of intellectual development.

>>281402730
>‘level up’ stories are an echo of the famous ‘American dream’
It's literally the opposite since the MC doesn't need to work hard for his goal at all. It's the dream of the modern loser who wants instant dopamine after frying his brain with video games all throughout childhood.

>>281420968
*I've seen nuanced but philosophically pessimistic takes thrown out the window

>>281420968
I will repeat myself, hopefully for the last time: China. This is not about the one big scary economic system in Muhmerica or what have you. This is clearly a moral failing.
>It doesn't matter if the tenor of the argument comes off as immature to you.
It matters to me. I'm sensitive to that kind of stuff.

Completely fabricated narrative from a clickbait shitmill

>>281420841
>alice in wonderland
>american
don't let a brit hear you say that

>>281421015
Repeating your assertions does not an argument make.

>>281421023
Uh, it's in the name, anon. American McGee's Alice. Looks like someone hasn't been paying attention.

>>281421061
I repeat them because the rebuttals have failed land in any significant way. They were demonstrably untrue. China has embraced gambling wholeheartedly. Three times more money flows through Macao than Las Vegas and the Chinese gacha industry has been a massive fiscal tributary. Again, is this a conventionally capitalistic system? Can you in good faith make that argument? Or can you please concede my very basic bitch claim that gambling bad?

>>281420955
You're saying that economic systems and morality are “obviously not intertwined,” yet in the same breath you say that money was invented for the sake of justice.
Do you realize that’s a moral claim right? Justice is a moral concept.
So if money is one of the invented tools to serve justice, then you already admit that economics has a moral foundation built on justice. You’re contradicting yourself.

if you want to stop isekai just crush game market.

>>281401959 (OP)
Japanese are famous for not understanding what the overseas audience wants. Reminds me of when square enix was saying that turn based RPGs aren't popular anymore only for expedition 33 to come out and destroy their arguments.

>>281421128
>You're saying that economic systems and morality are “obviously not intertwined,” yet in the same breath you say that money was invented for the sake of justice.
This is not a contradiction, anon.
We do not know where money comes from, it seems to have been a spontaneous invention in many parts of the world, and all of them predate history. The theory I subscribe to is that money was invented for the sake of justice, to settle conflicts, to pay soldiers. This confusion of yours is actually my fault because I went on a mostly meaningless tangent. Regardless of the origins of money, to claim that economy is intertwined with morality is extreme silliness. Ideally, economic systems can be moral, yes, but this often requires great effort in swimming against the current of fallen human nature. Some moral aspects of, for example, capitalism are mere accidents, like say the right to private property. But one would be hard-pressed to claim that capitalism is an inherently moral system, it's a crazy thing to say. Same thing with sinocomunism or what have you. These are just economic models that may or may not work for the benefit of their people.

The real horror is people taking a clickbait website at face value

>>281421231
Saying economic systems like capitalism or communism are just neutral models with no connection to right and wrong is really so naive.
Every economic system is based on ideas about fairness, rights, and what people deserve.
Ignoring this fact is incredibly dishonest.
You’re ignoring the simple fact that all economic systems decide who gets rich and who doesn’t, the haves from the have-nots. That's a moral and economic issue.

>>281421347
>Saying economic systems like capitalism or communism are just neutral models with no connection to right and wrong is really so naive.
I didn't say that all. Again, you are the one saying that. And I'm getting quite tired of you continuously arguing with yourself.
>Every economic system is based on ideas about fairness, rights, and what people deserve.
No, it isn't. This has been settled for several hundred years now. It's all about power.
>That's a moral and economic issue.
Anon, I like living in a world where words have concrete meanings. Morality is morality. Politics is politics. Economics, economics. You boiling everything down in the same pot is very tiresome.

>>281420988
>implying the rich ((American)) works hard
lol, lmao.

>>281420651
It's not that fantasy isn't popular in Japan. But it dominates animation far more than it does comics or novels and that's due to a certain nation's unquenchable thirst for it. And its meteoric rise in the past 10 years can be more easily explained with the former pirates from overseas becoming paying customers.

The thing with isekai is it's really flexible and had many sub genre.
That's why it can stay over 20 years unlike, say, 2005-2015 battle harem series.
Throw tantrums all you want, but isekai won't die for at least next 20 years.

>>281421392
Power and its rightful use has no moral component?

>>281421467
Everything in this world has a moral dimension. But this doesn't prove your thesis at all because of what is the primary focus. You can credibly claim that Distributism was a genuinely moral economic system, but were I a Mohammedan or an atheist or some virulently anti-Catholic Christian, I would most certainly claim otherwise. I'm not for the dictatorship of relativism at all, and again I feel I'm going off on a tangent, but current economic models are primarily focused on power.

>Mohammedan
Why do some morons go out of their way to avoid saying "Muslim" or "Islam"?

>>281421456
>reincarnation in the same world
>time travel
>playing a mmo or game of some type
>moving to a different country
>shonenshit but with game elements (korean leveling)
not isekai

>>281421697
Why does it bother you?

>>281421730
It's more puzzling than bothering. We're not in the Middle Ages anymore. It's like when someone gets another person's name wrong on purpose in order to get at them in a petty way. Why do it? If you're going to then why not go all the way and use an actual slur? Commit to something.

>>281414529
There's an argument to be had here but more often than not the directors/writers end up getting far up their own asses and fuck up the story while sometimes pissing off the creator (Fruits Basket). Nobody is saying they have to strictly adapt it panel by panel either. Also, do they really need to use someone else's sandbox? I'd push for more originals if anything but I guess it's just far quicker to springboard off someone else's successful creation.

>>281420484
>>281420546
2003 and Brotherhood are likely one of the prime examples of why the industry went stricter with adaptations if anything. Naruto fillers come to mind too.

>>281421802
>It's more puzzling than bothering.
If it is so, why would you immediately claim that the people who use it are "morons"?
>We're not in the Middle Ages anymore.
This term was in wide use not even 30 years ago.
>It's like when someone gets another person's name wrong on purpose in order to get at them in a petty way.
But that isn't the point at all. It isn't to annoy. It's to clearly affirm.
>If you're going to then why not go all the way and use an actual slur?
Mohammedan is actually censored on YouTube, it is considered a slur. Despite not actually being one and not typically being used as such.

>>281421863
It's about as nonsensical as calling Jews Yahweh-ites. I don't see it in wide use. Everyone has moved on from such terms. Just call them towelheads or something. You look silly.

>>281422000
Is the use of an ancient term recently made verboten for bizarre political correctness reasons as nonsensical as you literally inventing a neologism for the sake of argument? I think not.

>>281401959 (OP)
Thank you america!

>>281419759
He said good.

>>281422033
Calling a Native American a Native American and not an Indian must be similarly difficult for you too. Would you visit Istanbul and refer to it as Constantinople? I hope you do. I don't want you to cow to the libtards on your nice vacation to Turkey--sorry, Asia Minor.

>>281422116
Extremely childish.

>>281418803
Sword Art Online arguably popularized it, though it's arguably not technically isekai.

>>281419489
Yeah that was funny.

>>281420369
Most Disney princesses are underage, ackshually.

>>281422160
That's a good description of you, yes.

>>281401959 (OP)
I would listen to director if his bitching made sense, Frieren is tame as fuck, no female nudity, no panty shots, even the kills and the blood are very few and far between on top of also being tame
it isn't like Ranma or Bastard where the new anime censors the nudity and the like, so America isn't exactly getting on his way here I assume, it would be different if the source material wasn't tame, but it is just as tame as the anime

>>281422273
I'm childish because I used a word you took issue with for no real discernable reason?

>>281422296
Sure, if that's how you misunderstand it. The world must be a mystifying place to you.

>>281422308
How should I understand it?

>>281401959 (OP)
>original
I love seeing these mediocre TV directors, thinking they're some big shit trying to pivot into movie originals only to flop like crazy

>>281417827
>MC is weak
>rest of party is stronger and works well together
>they kick him out
>not even five seconds later MC has a harem and they're now super powerful
>somehow the original party members are bad?

>>281421065
Some chick named Carrol Lewis wrote fanfics about it I think. I ought to check out AO3 to make sure though.

>>281422110
Oh, ok. Escaflowne the movie then.

>>281414529
His generation is responsible for taking creative freedom of adaptations of the 80's made in vein of Urusei Yatsura to turning them in dead on arrival filler made in the vein of Naruto.
The latter is what really killed creative freedom. Because it was bad, boring, and not even really about how you were trying to adapt the manga it was more like a complete and total tangent.

>>281420546
>the retard shit with the half mecha dude
I still don't understand why everyone thinks Archer was stupid. It's a world with mechanical limbs, splicing animals together, and making cannons out of the roof of a train car. Why is it wacky to have a guy who's half automail?

>>281422446
Audiences and not creators are to blame.

>>281402730
>‘level up’ stories are an echo of the famous ‘American dream’
To me, anime (particularly isekai or battle shounen) powerlevel shit always reminded me of Japanese schools.
>lots of pressure to succeed
>must push past your limits with hard work
>tangible, objective rankings of academic 'power'
>very public comparisons of the powerlevels of different students

>>281422371
only shinkai and miyazaki can find success in that space, it's crazy

>>281422491
Even hacks like Okada received high critical and commercial success when they went on to the movie business. It's not that uncommon. I hate Shinkai but the guy is clearly just doing his own thing and reaping the fruits of his labor. Miyazaki, Oshii, Takahata, etc. are artists in the truest sense though.

>>281422517
>Okada
>commercial success
Yeah, because Maboroshi and Fureru definitely recovered their budget...

>>281422584
>Yeah, because Maboroshi and Fureru definitely recovered their budget...
Dunno about those, but Maquia was a huge success. I'm not rooting for Okada, mind you.

>>281422584
It's sad that only like two directors make money doing (not shounen)movies.

>>281422649
Or Precure.

>>281401959 (OP)
Why do Americans like isekai so much? America is land paradise with freedom.

>>281422729
The freedom to get capped in the dome while walking to Aldi

>>281422624
>Maquia
>huge success
Dude, it made ~4M worldwide on a ~3M budget.

>>281401959 (OP)
I've really had enough of Japanese arrogant niggers. The mangakas don't give a fuck about overseas when making their story.
This generation of japs suck at everything. Borderline hollywood jew levels of slop.

>>281422849
Why are white people like this
Both the image and the screeching it is attached to

>>281415685
>>281403508
i cant handle the way any of these things treat the heroine. its so obviously there to blow the authoresses vagina "Oh look how persecuted I am by le heckin heroine but i dont notice because I am so quirky!"

>>281423193
All I'm really looking for in these kinds of series is how much of a dork the villainess is. If the other girls are cute dorks as well that's just a bonus.

>>281409211
>Yellow Sea
What did they mean by this?

>>281422849
>It is one of four seas named after color terms (the others being the Black Sea, the Red Sea and the White Sea), and its name is descriptive of the golden-yellow color of the silt-ridden water discharged from major rivers.

>>281401959 (OP)
>Frieren
>Isekai

shit meme shit b8 shitposting.

>>281422870
>inputs pedophilia and incest into everything
Why are Asian people like this?

>>281423574
whataboutism

>>281404024
He directed a "cute girls doing cute things" show, it's ironic to see him complaining about trends.

>>281401959 (OP)
Seems like someone is deflecting. "overseas" can only watch what you make in the first place. Either make your non isekai higher quality or lower the amount of isekai series released. Either way the issue is internal.

>>281406898
It's an alright anime with great animation but terrible writing.

>>281422729
They don't. They still like capeshit movies.

>>281420773
This is why gatekeeping should be enforced, everyone on /a/ should do their part.

>>281418590
Narou overall rank 8th is Easygoing Territory Defense (kicked out of noble house for "useless" skill) but nothing seems to stand out really as the uber popular must copy kick out story at least based off what treads on narou.

>>281403289
Oh I remember you

>>281401959 (OP)
Frieren is just native isekai thou'

>>281417827
Because they’re usually written by people projecting their insecurities, making their bullies cartoonishly pathetic and painting themselves as some sort of saintly, flawless hero.

>>281401959 (OP)
>its they only content they've been making for a decade
>its because you like it not us!
uh

>>281419616
>Scrooge McDuck is the inspiration for isekai
that's possibly the most out-there take I've read today
however it's giving me a lot of funny mental images so I'll accept it

>>281423767
I mean, in the grand scheme of things, Kirara shows are still niche. Bocchi blowing up is certainly a breath of fresh air for mainstream anime. In that sense, he's right.

However, he did the usual "if you want it then buy more baka gaijin, though we'd just ignore you like usual anyway" which made me lose respect for him. I don't understand why it's the default response for Japanese people when foreigners ask why Japanese content have gotten stale lately (live action is even worse). They get so defensive for some reason and end up shifting responsibilities to the ever fickle overseas market (from their perspective).

It's a shame because he's definitely a young talented director. With a very promising future too, due to Bocchi and Frieren's success.

>>281417374
>axed
No thanks. I'd rather have Warlock (Plagiarist) in a Magus World for that type of "ruthless calculating evil chink MC".

>>281416363
This is some grade A coping lol

>>281402730
he isn't wrong

>>281401959 (OP)
Ok this is for real
>America
Biggest consumer of brainlet battle shounen and aura farming trashes like solo gooking, mostly blacks and latin americans
>Chinks and SEA
biggest consumers of garbage harem isekai and villainess stories

>>281422462
Alchemy is fucking science magic, Automail are suppose to be advanced prosthetics. It was established as an excruciating procedure that in no way would allow anyone, especially a retard who recently lost a good portion of his body, to possibly recover so fast without being in constant pain or straight up dying with how much mechanical shit replaced his body. Half of his fucking head disappeared in that transmutation and you’re telling me he can now summon a gun from his throat let alone function with half a brain? What the fuck. They couldn’t even commit to whether he could move his mouth or not. It’s revealing how even the writing team were telling the head writer that it was a retarded idea too. Not to mention that Archer was just a lame ass guy that nobody cared enough to defend his presence either, he’s boring as shit. It would’ve made way more sense to turn him into a chimera, the dude who uses and looks down on them as pawns eventually gets put on their level. I guess the writer just wanted to be unique.

>>281425866
>Kirara shows are still niche
not really, every so often you get one that blows up like K-On or Gochiusa and they're all the same shit

>>281417678
Gacha shit is essentially gambling, and gambling is a vice that will exist in some form no matter what economic system you have in place. Gambling existed under feudalism, it existed under fascism, it exists in communist countries too.
Greed, gullibility, and addictive behavior don't just magically disappear from the human psyche when you switch from one economic system to another.

>>281417534
The crucial difference is that if Topps goes out of business, your cards won't disappear from your binder. When gacha shit shuts down, which it does constantly, it takes everything you wasted your money on with it.

>>281427103
pretty sure gumball machines isnt gambling. Get new material

>>281420889
Money is just what's used for buying stuff. If it didn't exist, people would still kill/murder/steal to get the actual stuff.

>>281404622
Basically all of the most popular and influential anime in the west were Battle Academy harems with abusive loli MCs.

Isekai is really NOT the worst anime trend we had in past 30 years. If anything, its pretty good and varied.

Currently we are at Villainess stage, next stop is Reverse Isekai.

/a/ says stuff like this and then scrambles to criticize anything creative like Takopi, Heike, Sonny Boy, Cyberpunk Edgerunners, list goes on

>>281427648
i defend said titles like it's the fucking alamo
if it weren't for anime like those i would've left this hobby entirely

>>281421720
>just add truck-kun before all that shits
>yep it will be isekai

>>281427210
I opted not to reply to >>281417625 earlier, but now I'm glad i didn't discard my draft.

I don't think having physical cards to keep makes a huge moral difference in itself. FGO Arcade used physical cards printed from the game machines, but after EOS, the cards lose their function other than being nostalgic trinkets to admire. They're nice-to-haves, but the main pain is the game no longer being replayable without the servers, which wouldn't happen with MtG. The ideal would be if every EOS online game could release a locally-playable version that can take your savefile, but most shutdowns probably come from bleeding money, and old events often no longer run on current game code, whereas dev time would arguably be better-spent on trying to save the game's life up to the end, rather than preparing for burial.

>>281427648
Things that are not done to death can also be bad, surprising.

>>281407052
cant remember meme base.
didn't digg only link to external content?

>>281427648
Edgerunners was criticised for being popular normalslop. It wasn't /a/'s proudest moment because there is nothing inherently wrong with it outside of the audiente.
Sonny Boy isn't exactly criticised, it's just an extremely alienating anime with niche appeal that didn't drew huge attention. There were (are) dedicated shitposters like with most cult classics, but the worst you see are people frustrated by the ending in the very same manner people were frustrated by Evangelion back in the day.
Takopi is just miseryporn and I don't mind people who shit on it. The threads are miserable because it's the kind of story that attracts both and immature audience and violent shitposters.
I don't have strong feelings on Heike, even though I personally don't like it as much as the fans do. It's another niche anime. I have way stronger opinions on Yamada than I do on Heike.

>>281427648
>Cyberpunk Edgerunners
I wouldn't be talking shit about it if it hadn't been for the obvious shilling campaign that the mods just let happen without acting against it whatsoever, i.e. either Hiro approved of the shilling or the mods/jannies secretly got paid off to watch the other way and let it happen.
The worst part is that they actually paid people to make "industrially-produced memes" to instantly spam them on launch day.

>>281428395
I never got the impression that there was shilling for Edgerunners. But it's quite possible since it was a Netflix anime. Ultimately, I just think it was the generally low quality of the audience, which was reflected on the threads. Korean and Chinese series get way more dedicated shill groups or the usual suspects with axes to grind.

>>281427648
Edgerunners just attracts anti-Trigger shitposters, if it were by any other studio nobody would care

>>281406898
Although I'm very positive on Frieren overall, I very much agree that it's a series that would've benefited immensely from trimming the fat if not outright cutting some minor arcs. And while I do like the anime adaptation to a very large extent and don't even mind stuff like the mage exam arc, I do think they should've been bolder with the storyboarding instead of just playing it straight.

>>281423952
I don't understand why some people say Frieren has terrible writing. It's actually a manga with some extraordinary qualities when it comes to the narrative structure. Even if I agree it isn't perfect and is in need of some serious editorial whip, to claim that it has terrible writing is a criticism I do not understand.

>>281428395
I still have no clue where you schizos get these ideas.

>>281429703
Guerrilla marketing has been a known phenomenon on the Internet since the 90s, anon.

>>281427648
any "anime" with a westoid culture flare is trash, simple as. There's nothing inherently wrong with isekai but the shitty mmo power fantasy concept is getting ridiculous

>>281418803
El-Hazard.

>>281411143
>because they keep destroying japanese culture
meds

>>281429703
Netflix derangement syndrome.

This is me samefagging, by the way.

>>281401959 (OP)
>bias toward certain popular trends
>popular trends
Popular with who? If you don't like the slop that your industry is producing, maybe you should examine your domestic market first. lmao..

>>281430266
i specifically like the first ova
the followup ovas were filler material just for fan service purposes but the first ova ending was kino
spoilers in this music video for the song in it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlBu6kT6ks4
i don't know why it only outputs to one audio side tho

>>281420908
kek, laugh at this stupid tourist who doesn't know what "i sekai" means ahaha

>>281432326
You think you're fitting in when you really aren't. If this is your idea of gatekeeping, you're doing it all wrong.

>>281401959 (OP)
The difference between Frieren and a generic isekai? A 1 minute reincarnation sequence at the beginning...

>>281401959 (OP)
So... Stop pandering to them?

>>281432326
It's "another world" not "delusionally immersed in a simulation"

>>281401959 (OP)
He, like everyone else, needs to remember the scripture

>>281427313
In Japan they get around anti-gambling laws with pachinko machines by giving out prizes like teddy bears when you win, then across the street there's a business that lets you sell those prizes for cash. So gumball machines could be gambling.

>>281426696
I mean it's true. For all their bluster China needs the western market to offload their cheap shit and maintain jobs for their huge population. That is one of the many downsides of a huge population. Also low wages but everyone knows that.

>>281427648
Takopi was misery porn that I dropped episode 1, didn't see the other two, and Edgerunners was okay.
Though I don't think Edgerunners was """creative""", it was just fine. In my view something like Akiba Maid War was more creative and I loved that, pretty sure most people who have seen it also like it but not sure

>>281420988
The American dream isn't about working hard, its about having a 1 in a million breakthrough for the easy road.

>>281402869
>>281404249
>>281404264
Japan already had a very strong comics industry before WW2.
This is nonsense.

>>281433895
>The American dream isn't about working hard
Yeah it is. Working hard to obtain success isn't really attainable anymore, but that was always the ideal. That is what pushed stuff like manifest destiny and expansion west. Americans still work some of the longest hours in the west, even though frankly it isn't worth it anymore

No one is to blame for isekai trash except for cucked japs themselves. This is one of the worst threads of the year.

>>281401959 (OP)
That’s funny, because me and most other American anime fans don’t like isekai. The anime and manga industries are lucky that comics and cartoons in America have historically been ass.

>>281401959 (OP)
Based gaijin-caller-outer

Funny how people in this thread are mad for being called out lmao get better taste faggots

>>281434300
isekai is good albeit

>>281434882
Fuck off, Takashi

>>281433895
This is pure revisionism.

>>281420546
Personally don't give a fuck about FMA, but I agree that too many modern adaptations are TOO faithful to the source material. I miss the fun anime original endings.

>>281417827
isekai being about wishing you could start your life over is a lot more obviously and bitterly suicidal and less bitchy wish fulfillment than oooh I wish everyone would appreciate me more

>>281407052
if that pic was remade today, it would be a circle with everybody's shit spraying ever-fucking-where

>>281423193
Funny you say that considering that this series in particular made the heroine more likable across the adaptations where in the WN she was just complete and pure evil (and ended up dead at the demon lord fight), in the LN she was an entitled bitch but was at least somewhat silly and hated Yumiella because she has black hair like the evil witch she read about in a fairy tale book as a child and then in the manga and anime she is actually unironically a good girl.

>>281403508
And how many of them are reincarnated and/or Isekai? Probably ALL.

>>281438577
The racist pink dies in the WN?

>>281439245
Yes

>>281439385
cool

>>281438577
lv99 was a nice exception in how they handled the "evil heroine" trope.

>>281420841
non-naroushit isekai isn't isekai

>>281438577
its not funny that i said that, rather the fact that the author initially wanted to do that but was rebuffed by editors and fans are why i made that comment. and you can tell because she still gets awful endings every time.

When are you guys going to realize that japs are both retarded and egotistical? They only seem nice because they're cowards who don't speak honestly

>>281401959 (OP)
What kind of cope bullshit is this? The biggest market is Japan and China. America didnt start the isekaislop trend and it certainly isnt perpetuating it

>>281443407
>America didnt start the isekaislop trend
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhfjB2X-5O0
pretty sure they did

>>281426941
Automail connects directly the nerves and muscle. It doesn't matter if half his head is gone. People can and have survived severe brain damage including hemispherectomies. It doesn't even matter if the technology used is inconsistent. We're in a world that has mass-produced automatic weapons and tanks but hasn't discovered basic heavier than air flight. One of the State Alchemy applicants makes a balloon, and no one thought to make a dirigible? Don't start bringing up inconsistencies. As for his mouth gun, he's a fucking cyborg. It really puzzles me why such a minor character provokes so much autistic screeching.

Wow another dogshit thread.
I hope the site dies soon.

>>281444493
sorry, we'll have some anons whipped and will do better next time
you are entitled to the best possible information and entertainment

>>281444493
Damn, you almost jinxed it for a sec there, or maybe it was just on my end.

>>281444012
lol they still doesn’t change how the show itself has said that Automail recovery is months of agonizing rehab. Then Archer loses half his body, part of his brain, gets experimental tech slapped on him, and is magically combat-ready. How does Archer go from missing half his body and brain to combat-ready practically overnight? Like I said, people who’ve got Automail had to go through excruciating rehab to function with their new legs and arms let alone most of their body parts.
>One of the State Alchemy applicants makes a balloon, and no one thought to make a dirigible?
The thing that immediately went out of control? They’ve got surveillance balloons (they took a bird’s eye view picture of Lior) and air balloons too (the movie).
>As for his mouth gun, he's a fucking cyborg.
You don’t have to remind me of how retarded it is anon.
>It really puzzles me why such a minor character provokes so much autistic screeching.
I’m being hyperbolic but I’m not kidding how Archer symbolizes how stupid this show got. He’s a boring minor character that ended up eating screen time he should’ve never gotten. The writer literally admits it was only done to make him at “Mustang’s level” as a threat. What a lame ass character.

>>281404399
More like South American.

>>281445231
>recovery overnight
Only it wasn't overnight. How long was it in between Reole and the Central coup? And he was rebuilt as a simple tool - not a person. No one cared if he lost his mind. I think it's entirely plausible to brute force things through so that you can get temporary killing machine.
>balloons
I mean large, WWI and interwar zeppelins. No one thought it might be a good idea to have something capable of bombing cities at altitudes beyond the range of field artillery? And on the subject of inexplicable things in FMA, it's never explained how alchemy works other than: draw circles, make stuff out of other stuff.
Who discovered the various arrays? How do certain shapes and patterns correlate to different effects? Yes, you can systematize these things. Witch Hat Atelier did. 2003 at least gives a reason for how the laws of thermodynamics can be broken though. How a cyborg exceed one's suspension of disbelief when the core mechanic in the story is so vaguely laid-out?
If it comes down to, "The science is there, and the circles look cool. Stop overthinking it," then I extend that same logic to automail cyborgs.
It's just picking and choosing - like how everyone has collectively decided to ignore all the plot holes in Steins;Gate and focus on the characters.

>>281444707
thanks
if you could record and send me the results of the whipping, that'd be great.

>Only it wasn't overnight. How long was it in between Reole and the Central coup?
I said practically overnight and yes, there was way less time in between the events and Reole for that recovery time to be remotely believable for something as egregious as replacing nearly the entire body of a human being.
>And he was rebuilt as a simple tool - not a person. No one cared if he lost his mind. I think it's entirely plausible to brute force things through so that you can get temporary killing machine.
The fuck are you going on about? You’re bring up random points nobody was discussing, I don’t care if he lost his mind or not him being functional in such a little amount of time despite what was established with Automail makes no sense.
>I mean large, WWI and interwar zeppelins. No one thought it might be a good idea to have something capable of bombing cities at altitudes beyond the range of field artillery?
What do they need that for when they had state alchemists/alchemy to rely on? Especially with how they secretly added the red stones to boost their power. The Ishbal war barely lasted because of that. Hohenheim also brought up how alchemy changed the course of mechanical development, I wouldn’t be surprised if they were well on their way of eventually developing it sooner than later.
I like how you keep trying to push alchemy and automail as comparable, one is magic bullshit and the other is established more relatively grounded in comparison, well, WAS anyway. Like I keep saying, the writer only did this against other writer’s wishes because he felt like it was the only way to put him on Mustang’s level. That’s it.

>>281443640
It was actually Alice and Wonderland. King Arthur's Court is more like time travel.

>>281445709
>>281446284

>>281403508
How many of these villainesses are actually evil?
They always cop-out.

>>281446491
retard

>>281446491
Villains don't necessarily have to be evil, they just have to run counter to the protagonist. The word in Japanese is 悪役 (akuyaku) which means "bad/evil role", emphasis on "role". How that role is played is up to the character embodying the role.

>>281446750
That's about what I expected. Wake me up when we get a proper villain protagonist.

>>281446491
forgot to elaborate. The full title of those works is,
>reincarnated into a Villainess
Somebody was reincarted into one, they aren't the villainess.
I write "reincarnated into Ganondorf" on fanfiction.net and you wonder "the protag isn't being evil like Ganondorf wtf" when the protag isn't Ganondorf. That's not a copout, it's you who can't read a title of one sentence. How are you alive with reading skills this bad? tldr; you're a retard.

>>281446284
You're so willing to handwave things. This is a medium infamous for handwaving and asspulls, but you're so focused on one minor element.
I'm not saying that alchemy is comparable with automail, but the former is core to the story, and it's not a precise system. That doesn't matter though. There are tons of good series where things just work because the plot demands it or it's cool. The problem is in the double standard of critique.
Drawing an esoteric-looking symbol and pulling a spear from the center is cool, and it doesn't need to be explained. In my opinion at least, Archer has a cool design. Yet somehow this has to meet strict rigors. In that respect, alchemy and automail are comparable. When the argument is, "It makes no sense," then they're comparable because alchemy in FMA is a yawning plot chasm.
I'll repeat my earlier points: Why do circles activate the process? How do circles, squares, and bits of writing correspond to effects and intensity, and why those symbols and shapes in particular? There is almost no explanation, but we just accept it. That is a far greater ask than a cyborg.

>>281447068
tl;dr
I do and always have thought that Archer was cool. FMA is built on a system that barely gets explained. I can not only suspend my sense of disbelief for both, but I can do so easily.

Blaming America may be convenient, I'll be the first to admit we're full of people with bad taste,, but it's strange to blame this of all things on any Western country. The isekai genre is probably the one most closely tailored to the tastes of East Asians, out of all the big genres.

>>281447068
>>281447162
You’re conflating two totally different narrative tools. Alchemy is soft magic it’s vague by design while Automail isn’t. One is deliberately mystical, symbolic, and not fully explained so the audience can at least expect a degree of vagueness. Automail on the other hand is (WAS) grounded in pseudo engineering, with clear in universe rules and limits told to the audience until Archer came out of nowhere. Breaking the rules of a soft magic system is barely possible because it’s already undefined. Doing that with the rules of a hard/defined system is immediately obvious. Archer skips all that after losing half his body and brain, and we’re just supposed to buy it because it “looks cool”? People did not buy that bullshit and for good reason. That’s not the same as not explaining every rune in a transmutation circle, it’s breaking a defined system’s rules. If you like it that’s fine, just don’t be surprised when a majority found it way too jarring/distracting to ignore, especially with that loud ugly design.

>>281446286
king arthur isn't real

>>281419655
>implying Japan created isekai
lol
lmao
Army of Darkness predates modern Japanese isekaislop and is still the best isekai of all time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KfaQdtpXdk

>>281406343
Shield Hero S2 and S3 were single-handedly funded by China and that's a fact

>>281448323
>and we’re just supposed to buy it because it “looks cool”?
Happens all the time "rule of cool" exists for a reason.
>loud ugly design
I like the clunky function-over-form look. I thought it was cool when I was 16, and nothing's changed.

>>281401959 (OP)
So the main points of the article are
>The general public gets swept up in current popular trends

>He thinks anime should be more diverse
Also an incredibly safe statement that literally everyone would agree with
>There are more grounded anime in the past because saw an isekai about a guy as a vending machine
With as many pre 2000s anime and ovas I’ve seen I don’t think grounded describes the plot of most of all genres
>And the rpg leveling up system represents the American Dream and the recent Economic growth in Korea
Most leveling up systems in anime just harken back to Dragon Quest style. I guess I’d want to know exactly what he meant by that, like if it’s a negative to want to grow personally and economically, or if he’s saying the level system makes it too easy if you stick to the daily grind. But that also depends on the isekai, some MCs work really hard to get where they and some don’t.
I’m also curious if he feels the same way about the highschool trend that’s been around and more prevalent for waaay longer, but he did direct Bocchi so he probably couldn’t say that, or he has his own bias.

>>281448593
>Happens all the time "rule of cool" exists for a reason.
And in this case it wasn't cool enough to ignore, it fell flat on its face and that's why it’s one of the stupider things people write off about 03.
>I like the clunky function-over-form look. I thought it was cool when I was 16, and nothing's changed.
As I’ve said it’s fine if you do but as you already know, most felt differently. Simple as that.

>>281401959 (OP)
JUDAFICATION WAS A MISTAKE

>>281401959 (OP)
Meh, anime (and media in general) is prone to trends like this. The taco niggers have zero to do with it.

>>281401959 (OP)
>Shit talks American shonenshitters and Korean Isekailets
>/a/ starts uncontrollably seething
Kek

>>281402034
I'm not going to lie, your post has to be one of the most desperate cope I've seen in a while, to the point where it was funny. If it was on purpose, then you did it right. If not, then... KWAB.

>>281402730
I always thought that the West's power fantasy was more related to vigilantism than to "leveling up."

>>281430204
Frieren is a good example of westoid culture flare

>>281452449
Because it's fantasy? The genre has been popular in east Asia since forever and having it be about a loli sized elf girl whose fantasy racism is totally justifiable and good even is definitely not pulling from anything the west has been doing

I hope other Americans dies from fent

The cartels/Cia can't work fast enough

>>281402730
>striving for better laifu is a very amerikanjin desu

kek, what a truly deranged thing to say.

>>281401959 (OP)
I have never watched isekai slop
Also not american

I guess it could be true