Thread 281466659

Why /a/ love Dunmeshi but hate Frieren?

>>281466659 (OP)
The Frieren manga is very frequently in hiatus and not that good so it doesn't have a backbone of loyal manga people in /a/. While Dungeon Meshi is a manga I wouldn't blink if someone put it in their top 10 of all-time and was around being really good since 2014.

I hate third world retards.

>>281466659 (OP)
You think nu /a/s taste matters? There's like 8 shounen threads up right now. Only brownoids like Dunmesh. Freiren is for white people.

dunmeshi is a sincere take. it's about cooking with attractive and different characters who are often showing hidden strength

frieren is self-profound and self-righteous. the theme is the passage of time and life itself. characters are unattractive girlbosses, everyone is emotionless and lacking in expression, the moral conflict is black and white, everything it does is about making the viewer feel "this is sophisticated while not trying hard" when it is in fact trying hard. frieren is normalfag bait

Do you live in bizarro land perhaps?

>>281466659 (OP)
>make blatantly false generalization in OP
>retards respond as if it's always true
Why does /a/ do this?

>>281466659 (OP)
true /a/nons love both

>>281467098
Because I love Dungeon Meshi and think Frieren is pretty bad.

>>281466659 (OP)
DunMesh is overrated and I dropped it after a few volumes. It wasn’t terrible but just not in my general tastes. That aside, Frieren is not any better imo. Neither is bad, but neither are in the genre that I like, and neither is good enough to make me get past that..

>>281466659 (OP)
>Why [made up bullshit]?
I dunno anon

>>281466659 (OP)
MiA is better than both of them.

>>281466659 (OP)
Fantasy vs Native Isekai

>>281466659 (OP)
Because it's better? It has far better written characters, a much more interesting and textured world, and it even deals with the same core themes as Frieren, but better with Marcille and Thistle. You're comparing one of the best fantasy series in manga with a native isekai battle shonen manga, it's not even close.

>>281466659 (OP)
Dungeon Meshi is good.

>>281466659 (OP)
Frieren is popular
Dungeon Meshi is popular
Many DM fans are Frieren fans
I saw your Evangelion vs Frieren post yesterday
Trying to start shit between fandoms is cringe

>>281466659 (OP)
Dungeon Meshi looks like shit.

Dungeon Meshi had a beginning, a middle and an end with a satisfying conclusion.

Frieren has a beginning.

Frieren has devolved into generic magic battle shounen slop

>>281466659 (OP)

We love Frieren though. There is maybe one contrarian retard that doesn´t, and one obsessive demon lover.

>>281466659 (OP)
Lost interest in this when the catgirl joined the group and messed up the nice dynamic they had

>>281467939
it's izutsumi
don't forget

>>281467961
Its kbity

>>281467730
like tumblr shit
and tumblr humor

Marcille ruined dungeon meshi, she's such an annoying, stupid character.

>>281468357
The shitty character designs ruin any visual appeal the show might have.

>>281467085
OP is a retard.

>>281467886
/thread
Frieren looks good and isn't a bore like Dungeon Meshi.

>>281466659 (OP)
>Why /a/ love Dunmeshi but hate Frieren?
Why did you start this thread with a retarded loaded question? Dungeon Meshi is shit.

>>281466659 (OP)
It's the other way around, dung meshit is garbage.

>>281467261
>Frieren is not any better imo.
It's not a great comparison since both shows seem to have very different goals in mind. I found Frieren much more entertaining though. I don't see cooking as an interesting subject matter so Dungeon Meshi does very little for me.

Imagine if Dungeon Meshi was written and illustrated like Frieren
>everyone eating around the campfire with blank stares on their faces
>before they can descend to the lower floors, our heroes must pass the A-rank delver exam

>>281467407
Dungeon Meshi character writing sucks and the characters don't have any charm. I can think of plenty of Frieren characters that keep me watching the show though like Fern, Ubel & Lawine.

>>281467436
Good at curing insomnia.

>>281466659 (OP)
That's not true at all. Frieren was great all round but Dungeon Meshi was boring and had bad animation.

>>281468971
Those are all extremely simplistic, one-dimensional characters

>>281468947
Now Imagine if Frieren was written like DM.
>all the main characters are autistic
>the elf is constantly annoying and spastic
>every episode is monotonous monster eating tripe

>>before they can descend to the lower floors, our heroes must pass the A-rank delver exam
I really don't understand the complaints around this. I enjoyed that arc a lot, it was fun and offered the characters a chance to be flashy and show off their magic.

>>281469364
Then how do they manage to be so appealing? I remember Ubel's pits more than most of Dungeon Meshi.

>>281469409
Because you're addicted to pornography and unable to comprehend media through any lens other than arousal

>>281466659 (OP)
Frieren gives Noldor vibes, while Dunmeshi would be more of a Sinda.

>>281466659 (OP)
Frieren starts out as a comfy introspective fantasy series and then becomes battle shounen in record time. Dungeon Meshi is a concise story with coherent themes and atmosphere. Frieren has the building blocks of a good show but it sells itself off for mass appeal way too often. It's not bad, but it's experimental in a way that might be fun for the creator or interesting for reads, but not in a way that makes it a masterpiece. A lot of people are then frustrated and kneejerk hate it because it's treated as a masterpiece in casual anime spaces that /a/ looks down on.

>>281466659 (OP)
these types of anime are so fucking boring

Marcille singlehandedly ruined the show.

>>281466659 (OP)
Before the anime yeah, after both anime aired the consensus became the opposite.

>>281469584
Dungeon Meshi was panned during it's airing, /a/ really didn't like the red dragon episode.

>>281469486
Oh no. Don't rope frieren in with boring garbage like dung meshit. Frieren can feel slow at times but it's nowhere near as boring as that cooking meme.

>>281469614
Yeah I mean when both were still just manga, Dungeon Meshi was this fantasy masterpiece while Frieren was low tier slop.

>>281469614
DM was universally loved by /a/ throughout its entire publishing run. The anime was shitposted ad nauseam because it's a trigger show, and it attracted tons of schizophrenics who hate trigger

>>281469669
>DM was universally loved by /a/ throughout its entire publishing run.
Is it really fair to say this when hardly anyone on /a/ even entered the mangs threads?

>>281466659 (OP)
it insists upon itself on top the fans being pretentious pricks that think its the best thing ever despite it being just being slightly above average with nothing going for it

>>281466659 (OP)
dung meshit didnt become popular

>>281466659 (OP)
Dungeon Meshi is genuinely amazing, one of the best fantasy manga written. Frieren pretends to be good without saying anything.

>>281469782
dung meshit sucks

>>281469754
Thank god for that.

>>281469708
nobody in /a/ that isn't in the good manga dumps deserves to live

>>281469813
You're still seething about yesterday lol

>>281469838
?

What if I like both
What if we are allowed to like things without 10 layers of cynicism to it

>>281469782
>Dungeon Meshi is genuinely amazing
Why was the animation shit compared to Frieren then?

>>281466659 (OP)
I don't like Dungeon Cringe Shit.

>>281467261
>DunMesh is overrated
Very overrated, I don't know what there is to like in that boring slop.

Looks like he decided to spam another thread.

>frierentards: shit shit dungmeshit shit shit
Fanbase really reflect the quality of show

>>281467852
It's high quality though so It's fine in this case.

>>281470173
>really reflect the quality of show
Then explain why dungeon meshi was the one with bad animation? kek

>>281470173
Don't blame this on Frierenfags. It's all the one anti-Trigger schizo

>>281470320
You can see him spamming the same replies about animation every dungeon meshi thread, even multiple times in this one, because like you said he doesn't really care about the show itself, he just hates trigger. Has been at it for months. I really wish someone would just euthanize people like this, what a miserable, pointless existence.

>anti-Trigger
lol. that's just /a/

>/a/ is one person
I enjoyed both

>>281470320
>uses the word schizo while being a schizo himself
ironic

>>281466659 (OP)
I don't know, some people like different stuff and such. The thing is how gay u are.

>>281470372
>talking to himself
This is what you do because you know the animation is shit and can't deny it.

>>281466659 (OP)
Dungeon Meshi is trashy westernized slop. It's has really bad aesthetics. It's also boring. This shit is precisely what fantasy should strive to avoid.

>>281470372
>he doesn't really care about the show itself
The animation is shit though. The slideshow on episode 4 when the orcs attacked the bar was deplorable. You just hate critical discussion and don't want to engage with it.

>>281470460
>fantasy should avoid being westernized
>when it originates from western literature and board games

>>281470550
>>when it originates from western literature and board games
prove that

>>281470510
Awww you need flashy colors like the shonentards to keep your attention span? Maybe try subway surfers

>>281470580
When The Hobbit was released in the years 1937 Japan was busy murdering chinese babies in the name of the emprah or something along those lines

>>281470584
>Awww you need flashy colors like
Nah, Promare had lots of that and it didn't prevent it from looking like shit.

>>281470584
I need it to not be a lazy slideshow where all the combat takes place off screen. I'm not asking for much.

>>281470616
>fantasy was invented with the hobbit
>no one in the world did fantasy before that

>>281470636
No of course not, but Japan really didn't have medieval castles and dragons fantasy before that, they had their own mythology with the samurais ancestors etc.

The moment an anime goes into western territory, it's going to take from western literature, board games etc.
The very concept of a "dungeon" comes from indeed, dungeons and dragons. When your anime is called dungeon meshi westernization is precisely what I expect out of it.
Mangakas seem obsessed with medieval european fantasy and its probably because ttrpgs got very popular over there.

>>281470584
I see what you did there kek

>>281468925
They only spend a small amount of time genuinely focused on the cooking. It's a motif that binds everything together, but it's not the 'point.'
I don't give a shit about cooking either, I just like seeing characters that I like gathering around the pot together at the end of every episode drawing parallels between the dish their eating and the problem they dealt with in the episode.

>>281466659 (OP)
There isn't a fantasy show more overrated and boring than dung meshit.

Frieren is the only high fantasy anime to exist in decades that's actually about a believable world and beyond that, a believable elf as well. It takes a page out of Tolkein's playbook on how disassociated a timeless, ageless being like an elf would be from literally all other life on the planet.

It contains none of the grating shounen or isekai high fantasy tropes. /a/ hates it for being effortlessly good. I see dumb niggers on this board every day praising bleach or black clover or some other predictable weeb garbage. Obviously anything good would be like giving expensive cheese to a toddler who insists on their kraft singles as the pinnacle of cuisine.

>>281470713
Your point is really stupid though. Just because someone somewhere did something first doesn't mean other people can't improve or tweak the general idea into something better. An idea originating from somewhere doesn't mean it needs to be like that forever.

>ttrpgs
I prefer JRPGs compared to more westernized fantasy, they're superior to any table top. Things don't need to be excessively westernized.

>>281469399
>>all the main characters are autistic
>>the elf is constantly annoying and spastic
>>every episode is monotonous monster eating tripe
but that's still frieren anon

>>281470846
Not even close.

>>281470812
My only problem with it is that it's extremely fucking one-note.
Everyone has the exact same muted personality, regardless of their race, class, origin. Frieren is expressionless but secretly kind of cute, Fern is expressionless but secretly kind of cute, Stark is expressionless, but, Ubel, Himmel, fuck.
They're all the same basic kind of character with slight variances that mainly just come down to their gender and what their personal fighting style is. The one thing it has is pretty good, but it's just a very one-note, one-dimensional universe to be stuck in.
That being said, hey, I agree with you that it's still good, but only because the average sucks so bad that Frieren just being alright makes it majorly stand out.

>>281466659 (OP)
Frieren (the manga) starts off very strong, but sadly loses steam along the way.
DM (the manga) sticks the landing. And what a great landing it is.

>>281467339
How does reddit react to the pedo bait?

>>281466659 (OP)
Dungeon meshi wasn't as bad as I expected but it was still shit, I found very little enjoyment in it. Frieren was way better.

>>281468947
You hit the nail on the head about the shit that bothered me from Frieren

>>281470843
I have no idea if you're trolling or you are actually this retarded

>>281469399
>I really don't understand the complaints around this
Which shows why your opinion cannot be taken seriously.

>>281470846
don't lie to yourself

>>281470716
None of their talks were even memorable besides the cannibalism shit and I didn't enjoy that one.

>>281469669
>tons
It's literally just one guy.
Like come on, he was getting constant IP wipes back in the day that proved it.

>>281470916
They all have facial palsy, don't be a chud.

>>281466659 (OP)
Pre-anime sentiments. The Dungeon Meshi manga is great from beginning to end with great art. The Frieren manga is boring with expressionless characters and laughable action scenes. Frieren's high quality anime adaptation salvaged a mediocre manga.

>>281471007
It happened to him yesterday. It's probably why he's spazzing out today.

>>281471073
>and laughable action scenes
nah

>>281470916
You have the parasitic sociopath demons, who use emotion to manipulate humans.

You have Frieren herself, who is an out of touch, demon king slaying immortal being who lost her mortal master at a time that would be extremely early in her life. Her "tism" makes sense.

Then there's Fern, who is a war orphan raised by Frieren, so obviously she imitates her persona generally, but Fern is more open with Frieren herself.

A major part of the story involves Himmel and Heiter and Eisen as well. They're all major characters and have plenty of personality. Same with characters like Sein.

Then you have Stark, who acts like a teenage dude who is also earnest and respectful.

So overall, it's not a one note series. Our two main characters can conduct themselves as frigid robots, but they're surrounded by more realistic people in the Friren world.

>>281466659 (OP)
I like both.

>>>281466659 (OP)
But I hate dungeon garbage and I like Frieren. Frieren is a true work of art, it's almost flawless. Dungeon Meshi only knows how to bore.

>>281471073
>The Frieren manga is boring with expressionless characters
This is a lie. Frieren simply has more subdued expressions. Just because it's not an ugly, clownish piece of garbage like dung meshit doesn't make it "expressionless".

dungeon meshi is really ugly

>>281471163
It's the faces and the noses that are fucked up, that's why.

>>281471073
Same with Bocchi the Rock, actually.
The director is pretty damn good at his job
>>281471079
Him pitifully pretending to be multiple people in /ghost/?

>>281470812
>believable world
Frieren's worldbuilding is bare bones and a lot of it is still just random dungeons existing with the characters traveling around to different locations which all feel the same. It's a basic JRPG like almost every other western fantasy anime. It's better than the average isekai crap but that's a low bar.

>>281471094
Even if you love Frieren you can't seriously say that the manga has good action scenes. They barely even exist.

>>281471253
The focus of Frieren isn't action anyway.

>>281471007
>>281470320
>>281471079
>>281470372
>>281471213
stop talking to yourself

>>281471154
°_°

>>281471121
Listen, I understand you like the series, but the variation between personalities is not a strong point. There's one good character and everyone is a variant of the same basic idea.
I get there *are* differences, but they're generally all cut from the same cloth. Everyone is reserved, a little melancholy, and usually somewhat blunt. Even when people break that mold, it's temporary.
Matter of fact, you could probably chart literally every single character in the series on a triangle graph where each corner is Reserved, Melancholly, and Blunt. Everyone is defined by their ratio of those three personality traits.
The way the demons acted and the way the other characters acted wasn't even that distinct. The character just isn't a strongpoint unless you're just really absorbed in that one specific type of personality.

>>281471293
Shouldn't have had a long shonen tournament arc, then

>>281466659 (OP)
>we need a warrior class to have a full party
>MAO/YUSHA
>0 geopolitics
>LMAO LICENCES

>>281471007
I don't often go in these threads but reading the posts that are negative about DM in this thread, and from previous ones, I believe it. 90% of the negative comments have the same writing style and they repeatedly use the same phrases, with the most prominent being "slop" and complaining about the "ugly westernized artstyle."

>>281467961
Sexy ryona bait

>>281471369
cope

>>281471293
And? They're still shit. Nice to know that that's your best rebuttal. DM isn't an action series either but the few short action scenes it does have range from serviceable to unique and impressive (see: any of Mithrun's fights).

>>281471395
Fuck off, /v/ermin.

Deflection and schizo posting is what you do when you've lost the argument.

>>281471332
It avoids common weeb tropes, like having "variations in personality" exaggerated to a caricature of one major emotion that's played as a "distinct personality".

Bottom line, the majority of shounen characters are the sesame street version of a personality. They're more like puppets serving as a manifestation of one major emotion. They exist to be extremely candid in this exaggerated performance of one major emotion at all times.
Frieren's characters are more believable because of what you've misinterpreted as "one note".

>>281471408
The Frieren anime has much better action than dung meshi overall.

>>281471395
I clearly struck a nerve. Continue being assblasted that some people don't share your opinion and wasting all your time bitching about it on here.

>>281471442
We're talking about the manga here. The Frieren anime is amazing but it's not the manga.

>>281471445
>I clearly struck a nerve.
Says the fag who replied twice, kek.

>>281471424
calm down /co/ckroach

>>281471214
Verisimilitude. The world that Frieren presents makes sense in within its own logic. It also hints to deeper histories surrounding that world with existing characters like Frieren, Serie, and Kraft talking or even existing in Kraft's case. It hasn't managed to break it's own logic to drive a plot a point, which is better than 99.9% of fantasy worlds in manga.

>>281471369
It's incredibly obvious to anyone who has spent a relevant amount of time here.
Not saying every person who dislikes DM is the same poster, but there's definitely a very vocal samefagger that posts a ton

>>281471440
When you need to contrast yourself to shonen, you're not in a good position.
Yeah, everything is better than shonen.
So?
Being better than shit doesn't mean 'good,' it just means 'not shit.'

>>281471369
He's really not subtle about it.

>>281466659 (OP)
>Why /a/ love Dunmeshi but hate Frieren?
Who fed you this lie? Dungeon meshi sucks, Kui's character designs are absolutely repulsive.

Dungeon Meshi is westernized shit and that's why it looks ugly. Crude caricatures are not aesthetic or fashionable.

>>281471564
Shounen is the majority of anime. Everything that has to do with any type of adventure story is automatically classified as shounen.
If it has tittles in there too, now it's seinen.
Comparing Frieren to other genres makes the show look even better.

>>281470973
>don't say things i don't like
Concession accepted.

>>281466659 (OP)
Dungeon Meshi is boring, Frieren is so much better and it's not even close.

>>281469754
because it's boring

Why do console-war fags think it's not okay to like two things?

>>281469727
dungeon meshi is below average

>>281471722
Anon, your point is basically "I walked in a comedy movie showing, but I don't like comedy, 0/10"

Right, you don't like western fantasy, so why the fuck did you watch something named DUNGEON meshi? If being western wasn't its goal, it wouldn't even be fucking called like that, what did you expect? It's not a flaw with the show, you just don't like the genre.

>but it could do new things!
It does. It's not the same as the hobbit or lotr, it's about food, for one.
Not everything needs to reinvent the genre just because you personally have a hateboner for anything western.

>>281471838
>Anon, your point is basically "I walked in a comedy movie showing, but I don't like comedy, 0/10"
People can think some ideas are bad. Jesus Christ.

>>281471838
Dungeons are also common in Japanese fantasy, don't you watch anime?

Hey you. You know who you are.
If /a/ hates Dungeon Meshi so much, then why did it win AOTY?

>>281471121
>Then you have Stark, who acts like a teenage dude who is also earnest and respectful.
You're trying to make this sound appealing?

>>281472001
>then why did it win AOTY?
it didn't lmao

>>281472021
It was hilarious seeing frieren fans lose their minds bc of solo leveling. Both are shit

>>281467104
Not possible, Dungeon Meshi demographic is very vocal against Frieren and her attitude towards demons.

>>281472021
anon, I...

>>281466659 (OP)
I like both for different reasons

>>281472060
What in the world are you even talking about? Why don't you post some evidence of your claim?

>>281472021
It did in /a/.

>>281472018
What should he be? In the middle of a harem of girls who all want to fuck him, but he's too much of an ultimate gentleman to touch them?

You may have brainrot or just be a man child if you need every personality to be a 90s cartoon character.

>>281472104
spam isn't /a/

>>281472123
I mean appealing as a character I'd like to read about.
Sounds boring as shit, bro.
For the record, I like Stark, I just think you're doing a terrible job explaining why he's a good character.

>>281466659 (OP)
Because Meshi is better.
What an easy question.

>>281472138
>non sequitur
Are you brain damaged?

>>281472021
Maybe you're confused since in your favorite subreddit it was probably Solo Leveling, but over here in /a/ we chose Dungeon Meshi.

The problems with Dungeon Meshi being westernized have nothing to do with it simply featuring dungeons. Those are fine by themselves. The western shit people don't like are Kui's caricaturey designs with forced diversity as well as the lack of japanese anime/jrpg tropes like elemental magic.

>>281472248
>The western shit people don't like are Kui's caricaturey designs with forced diversity
This. This is the problem, no one gives a fuck about it having dungeons.

>>281471838
>Anon, your point is basically "I walked in a comedy movie showing, but I don't like comedy, 0/10"
What the fuck is this retarded argument? This can be said about literally anything when the ideas in and of themselves are being criticized.

>Right, you don't like western fantasy, so why the fuck did you watch something named DUNGEON meshi?
Newfag kun. There are tons of Japanese fantasy that do this too so it's not something exclusively associated with western shit. Danmachi has a dungeons, Isekai Meikyuu has dungeons, Jidou Hanbaiki has dungeons, Fugukan has dungeons and the list goes on and on. This is very much a theme associated with Japanese fantasy as well as western shit. The Japanese take on it is not of unique but it's also better and more aesthetic.

Also, Ore dake Haireru Kakushi Dungeon has dungeon in it's name too but it's actually fun. It's nothing like Dungeon Meshi with it's boring cooking and hideous caricatures.

>>281472176
>>281472215
No faggot. You voting multiple times and using different emails doesn't make it /a/'s AOTY.

>>281472157
better at being shit

>>281472248
>people

>>281472278
>there was foul play because... there just WAS, okay!?

>>281472315
Yeah, it's just AOTY here and not anywhere else because it's so amazing. lel

>>281472315
It was obviously tampered with compared to the other years, without to mention the very small amount of people that voted, there's a reason people only post the chart up to 2023, starting 2024 is just way too compromised.

>>281466659 (OP)
I liked both, but Frieren got worse once it became shounen magic users time.

>>281472358
Are you seriously implying that /a/ has similar taste to mainstream normalfag website polls?

>>281472277
>What the fuck is this retarded argument? This can be said about literally anything when the ideas in and of themselves are being criticized.
No it can't
An actual criticism of a comedy movie could be that the jokes don't land. The issue there is not that you don't like the genre, but that the movie was bad within its genre in your opinion.
The fact that you cannot understand this VERY simple point makes you hardly worth continuing this argument with, as you are not very intelligent

I also already addressed the dungeon part several times.
Yes, you can reinvent it or do your take on it, but there is nothing wrong with returning to its roots either, unless you just hate the genre, which is fine, its just an insane criticism to make when everything about it screamed what it was about

>>281466659 (OP)
because kot
>>281466967
I agree on all point except the girls being unattractive

>>281472368
>It was obviously tampered with compared to the other years
Why? Also, I've never seen people outside of discussions with (you) complaining about it.

>>281472442
God bless Trigger.

>>281472402
>An actual criticism of a comedy movie could be that the jokes don't land. The issue there is not that you don't like the genre, but that the movie was bad within its genre in your opinion.
>The fact that you cannot understand this VERY simple point makes you hardly worth continuing this argument with, as you are not very intelligent
You're an example of the dunning kruger effect. You atrocious argument boils down to saying you can't criticize something you don't like because you shouldn't comment on it in the first place.

"I walked in a comedy movie showing, but I don't like comedy, 0/10" is saying you can't criticize comedy inherently. Someone can think comedy is inherently inferior to romance and that's a perfectly valid opinion. Western fantasy is inherently inferior to Japanese fantasy.

>>281472278
Funny coming from /a/'s biggest samefagger lel

>>281472503
Replying to you is like talking to a brick wall, damn.

I don't like either series, I just want to creampie Marcille and Frieren twice a day (each). They need my cum

>>281472503
>Western fantasy is inherently inferior to Japanese fantasy
Oh please do elaborate
Inherently is a pretty big word

Comedy and romance aren't derivative of each other, but considering japanese fantasy is so derivative of european fantasy you even admitted they use dungeons everywhere, I really want to hear how that is in any way "inherently" superior
You call my arguments bads but so far you have offered 0 arguments, while mixing subjective tastes with objective words such as "inherently"
As I said I think this is pointless because you have proven yourself retarded, but I want to see if there is a rationale behind this retardation or if its performative, natural retardation.

>>281472503
What do you mean by Japanese fantasy, eastern setting and aesthetics?

>>281472565
It's no one else's fault that you're retarded.

>>281472699
He means fantasy made by japanese people.
No, he does not understand the irony in the fact that DM itself is japanese fantasy by his definition.

>>281472760
>n-no u
Yawn.

>>281466659 (OP)
I like both, but I real think Dungeon Meshi is an all time great.

Frieren has fallen into the popularity trap, it started out very strong but then got too popular and the author extended the story, leading to a ballooning cast, meandering plots that don't go anywhere and what will ultimately be an unsatisfying conclusion because the pacing of the story has been completely destroyed

conversely Dungeon Meshi ended, I can't really think of any other manga these days that end at what feels like an appropriate time, they all either get axed early and have to speedrun the story or like Frieren get popular and have to drag things out.

I could talk about subjective things like the characters or the joke or the lore of Dungeon Meshi but the real secret sauce that puts it a level above most other manga/shows is pacing. After about 100 chapters, it tells a complete story that was exactly as long as it needed to be, is actually about something, and leaves enough threads that you want to see more

>>281472792
It's not an all time great lol. There hasn't been one in over a decade

The copypasting started...

>>281472792
I think Hinamatsuri also had a decent ending.
I guess I like Harta manga in general.
>>281472838
I disagree.

>>281472851
Yeah, it;'s always the same spam complaint about Frieren supposedly getting worse later on.

>>281472859
God is on my side. No ATGs since 2011, he said.

>>281472147
Then explain it yourself. People should watch the show if they expect to understand the characters beyond simple generalization.

>>281472919
That's silly. Time will tell which manga from this period hold up as part of the greatest.

>>281469669
>tons of schizophrenics
*A schizophrenic

>>281473622
>still schizoposting

>>281466659 (OP)
>new dungeon meshi chapter comes out
>thread on /a/
>thread on /tg/
>thread on /v/
i miss how comfy it was

>>281466659 (OP)
I very much enjoy both.

>>281466659 (OP)
Let me quash your disinformation.
I do not HATE Frieren.

I just do not give a shit about Frieren. I do like Dungeon Meshi, though.

I like both

>>281472772
You're retarded.

>>281466659 (OP)
I was interested in Dungeon Meshi but then I heard it was super gay. Is that true?

>>281473925
I think there is one (1) gay character, that gets like 3 lines, and is revealed to be a lesbian pedophile in an extra.
She's cute, though.

>>281473823
I like Frieren but the animong disconnect is very strange. The impressive early part of the adaptation convinced them they're not watching it for basic shonen fun. I have no idea how Amerifats convince themselves of these things but it's like mass hypnosis.

>>281473925
It's targeted at gay people so kinda.

>>281467261
>tfw no brown amazonian alien catgirl gf
WHY EVEN LIVE?

>>281466659 (OP)
The busty chimera blonde makes my dick hard and thats all i need

>>281473957
In what way?

>>281473952
This. It's very good, but I've seen people calling it sophisticated and shit
???

>>281474011
In this guy's brain, anime characters having noses = being targeted to tumblr directly

>>281474032
Just post your Senshi folder buddy, you know which one.

>>281466659 (OP)
I'm indifferent towards Frieren, but I can't understand the people who says they love Frieren over Dungeon Meshi because Dungeon Meshi ran circles around Frieren when it comes to world building.

>>281472629
>Comedy and romance aren't derivative of each other
Doesn't matter. lol

>while mixing subjective tastes with objective words such as "inherently"
"Western fantasy is inherently inferior to Japanese fantasy. " was an example of a totally valid opinion, Sherlock .The same way saying "comedy is inherently inferior to romance" is a completely valid take and just an opinion.

>I really want to hear how that is in any way "inherently" superior
Look at an example like pic related. Japanese fantasy are not known for being filled to the brim with ugly caricatures like western shit is so that's one example.

>>281474087
I'm more of a Patty enthusiast.

>>281474111
Embarrassing post.

>>281474032
>trying to deny that tumblr nose is a thing

>>281474133
Tumblr nose hasn't been a meme since 2014, grandpa.

>>281474131
>i lost the argument so i'll just say embarrassing
pathetic

>>281474126
Gross, she's in dire need of a nosejob.

Marcille makes me hard as rock, while I feel absolutely nothing for Frieren. She's too petite without being loli enough for my tastes. Fern on the other hand invokes the animal in me. What a breeding sow she is.

>>281474172
I'm sorry you had to find out this way, but you're homosexual.

>>281466915
tpbp

>>281474186
What about halflingcille? or lolicille?

>>281474186
Please do not sexualize fern

Frieren fans smell like poop and those 2 girls in the store giggling to themselves are indeed laughing at them.

>>281474217
>halflingcille
No feelings.
>lolicille
Daughterwife.

>>281472699
>Japanese fantasy
Demon Lords, magical schools, elemental magic, dungeons, goddesses, statuses and levels, level grinding, powerful characters, harems, adventuring parties, archetypes(e.g. tank) etc.. The things you can expect from Japanese fantasy, what it's known for. I like those things generally. Not saying DM should have a demon lord but I'd find it much more entertaining if it had other classic aspects of Japanese fantasy like prominent elemental magic and no retarded westaboo designs.

>eastern setting
That's an example but not my complaint against DM.

>aesthetics
Yeah, iconic anime aesthetics, slender features. Not ugly western caricatures.

>>281474233
Tell that to the mangaka who gave her cowtits

>>281474242
dungeon meshi looks like poop which is why we call it "dung"

>>281474233
She sexualizes herself, constantly. She's the most perverted character in the whole series other than Serie who gets off of baiting footfags into killing each other for her amusement.

>>281474362
>we

>>281474308
So you just like isekai.

>>281474207
she needs fucking plastic surgery

>>281474367
The funny part is you're pretty accurate

>>281474406
And you need to go to a reeducation camp.

>>281474308
>Demon Lords, magical schools, elemental magic, dungeons, goddesses, statuses and levels, level grinding, powerful characters, harems, adventuring parties, archetypes(e.g. tank) etc.
Literally all stolen from D&D, RuneScape, WoW etc.

>>281474308
Literally none of those are originated from or even unique to japanese fantasy.
Read some Forgotten Realms novels, or even Lord of the fucking Rings.

>>281474468
>Literally all stolen from D&D, RuneScape, WoW etc.
But do these have 2D girls, Zettai Ryouiki, anime aesthetics? You know it's the same as Japanese fantasy.

>>281474554
Those are just superficial trappings.

>>281474602
And I can't enjoy this shit without them. What kind of person do you think spends all their time watching anime and nothing else? The last time I even watched a live action show was like 4 years ago.

Dunmeshi is made by a westaboo who plays CRPGs, with a taste the most monocled gentleman on RPG Codex would approve of.

Is it any surprise it would be more popular than Frieren, with its distinctively Japanese obsession with mono no aware?

>>281474619
Nothing wrong with enjoying that kind of stuff. I love it, myself.
But conditioning my enjoyment of a show or manga to their presence? Just sad, man.

>>281474668
>with a taste the most monocled gentleman on RPG Codex would approve of.
cringe

>>281467730
>>281468357
>>281468619
mangaka is a bara faggot and anyone who reads this trash is either an open or closeted homosexual

>>281474838
Mangaka is a woman.

>>281474391
I do like a lot of them but there are also a lot of not-so-good ones.(but that's more a matter of them being too derivative and not well produced) I like JRPGs. I also like Japanese fantasy that aren't Isekai too since a lot of them also have the themes I mentioned. Frieren, Akame ga Kill, Rokudenashi Majutsu Koushi to Akashic Records, Shakugan no Shana, Bofuri, Maou Gakuin no Futekigousha etc... are some examples. Elemental magic from Maou Gakuin no Futekigousha in webm related. I guess I also have a fetish for ice magic, it's great in Re:Zero.

Dungeon Meshi characters are really shallow and one dimensional. Having autism is not a personality. Try to find a more creative way to make your characters stand out and give them real depth.

>>281474308
>>281474619
>>281474915
>>281474950
Ok, so why can't you just enjoy this without constantly spamming DM threads? I mean, even if you completely hate DM for having 'western sensibilities' (???), it's not like it has started a wave of copycats. The kind of stuff you like still comes out, year after year. Why not just enjoy that?

>>281474973
>schizobabble

>>281474973
I've never spammed a DM thread, what drugs are you on??

>>281474673
Sorry, I only watch anime. Western abominations and trash that apes them like dung meshi are too ugly for me.

>>281474997
>>281474999
>>281475002
Well, if you wanna be that way... I really thought we could get some nice rapport going...

>>281474973
>pretending to be retarded
>trolling with schizo shit
you're a joke

The triggertard ITT is the biggest schizo on the site LMAO.

>>281474915
sexy Misha

>>281475054
You are aware that only the most new of newfags actually falls for your act, right?

>>281466659 (OP)
I this bait? /a/ likes Frieren, /a/ doesn't like the cooking cringe show.

>>281475081
Cope, schizo.

>>281475065
He's insane, I've never seen schizophrenia so extreme anywhere else.

>>281472021
That doesn't change the fact that solo leveling didn't even qualify, my friend. /a/ fucking HATES that show.

>>281471154
>This is a lie
So why'd you post something that proved his point?

>>281475174
>durr i can't discern anything that isn't a retarded overexaggerated caricature
retard

>>281475174
You got filtered by Fern, lol.

>>281475174
you're blind and retarded

>>281475195
>>281475197
>>281475198
Damn, you got MAD

>>281475227
>schizo still thinks everyone he talks to is the same person

>>281475227
Ah yes, three replies 9 seconds apart are all the same person.

>>281475197
Triggerturds don't have the capacity to parse facial expressions unless they're grossly deformed and clownish like westernized abominations.

>>281475237
>>281475253
Spare me your excuses.

>>281475253
He's mentally ill, he really thinks anyone who doesn't like DM is one person.

Dungeon meshi is not very good, it's a solid 4/10 show.

>>281475265
I've never even seen Dungeon Meshi, I'm just laughing at the guy who can't tell Fern's expressions apart.

>>281475195
>>281475197
>>281475198
That's right faggot, come to daddy.

>>281475227
>>281475015
>>281474973
cringey schizo

>>281474308
>akame vs esdeath
that fight is legendary

>>281475308
you having a melty now?

>>281472095
he can't

>>281471163
it's the ugliest show of the 2020s

You're so predictable, anti trigger-schizo. Dance, dance for my amusement. Keep seething and cultivating your hatred.
And feel free to report bomb this post, it only proves my point.

281475377
Will you shut up about your sockpuppet already?

ahahaha, feeling called out, are we

>>281475440
how many sperg babies will she make with Laios?

I can't even tell who is fighting who and why, I just want to understand why DM is so associated with trannies and queers every time I hear about it.

>>281475331
NTA but you know the mod is a dung meshit fanboy who is anti frieren and that's a fact.

>>281475482
It has lots of forced diversity.

>>281475482
Maybe you frequent places that can't shut up about those topics, coz the manga itself has nothing to do with that

>>281475482
DM has nigger characters, it's pozzed. It also has a tranny tumblr fanbase.

>>281466659 (OP)
Dungeon Meshi is dull and the main cast are uninteresting. Frieren is miles better.

People like these shows because every other fantasy anime is isekai shit. Get over it loser otaku.

>>281475580
Dungeon meshi is painfully boring trash.

being an otaku is cool

>>281466659 (OP)
>Why /a/ love Dunmeshi but hate Frieren?
To be contrarian, hating on the more popular and more impactful series. Most of /a/ are snobs.

How many more falseflags threads do we need?
Why do we keep humoring the anti trigger schizo?

>>281475580
I like both and generic isekai shit too. I just like properly paced anime. I've even watched some shoujo just because it was paced well.

>>281466659 (OP)
It's demographic is different. Dungeon meshi is a seinen.
And if you compare anime and not manga, then it will be much worse as Dungeon Meshi really shines in its second part while Frieren manga steadily goes downhill.

>>281475622
Shame DM didn't have good pacing though. I remember episode 2 being way too long and dragging on.

>>281475632
>while Frieren manga steadily goes downhill
you already said this

>>281466659 (OP)
cuz izu

>>281475636
the entire first half has good pacing. there's like two 10 minute mini-arcs every episode, which is great.

>>281475647
You reply to my first post in this thread though. It depends on what OP implies to compare, anime vs anime or manga vs manga.

>triggerturd really thinks everyone who doesn't like dung meshit is one guy
AHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAH

>>281475673
Fuck no.

>>281475676
Word for the wise, anon.
It's not worth posting in this thread. You'll never be able to have a regular conversation with that guy. He'll never acknowledge any valid point you have, and he'll samefag his own position to death.

>>281475632
>Frieren manga steadily goes downhill.
The best parts of the manga are volumes 10+11

>>281475722
I am way too used to /a/ to find that unusual, I am completely fine with that. At least the conversations here are honest, even for falseflaggers, and not for the sake of karma/engagement/clout/views whatever else it might be.

>>281466659 (OP)
/a/ hates dungeon meshi because it's poorly wirtten.

>>281475754
You know what? Respect, man. It's easy to get lost in the shitpost sauce.

>>281475800
you can cool it with your cringe now

>>281475732
Yes, and it goes downhill from there. That part was good but again with the whole idea of the singe character, while Dungeon Meshi will unfold the complexity of several characters and their interactions within the freshly revealed parts of worldbuilding.
>>281475800
I am just mentally numb/autistic.

>>281475482
Because just look at the artstyle.

>>281475601
Go watch some Shonen shit with flashy lights then lol. Braindead from TikTok.

Frieren = Shonen
Dungeon Meshi = Seinen

>>281466659 (OP)
>Why /a/ love Dunmeshi
/a/ has loved Dungeon Meshi for years, way before the anime aired. I remember the last storytime, it was great.
>but hate Frieren?
/a/ doesn't really hate Frieren at all, but the fact that it had been ripping on the manga for a while, mixed with the fact that it has mainstream appeal (poison to /a/nons) means that a contrarian force of f/a/ggots will always diss it.

>>281466659 (OP)
frieren forgets its premise in a couple chapters while dungeon meshi elaborates on it
even just compare how demons are portrayed in both
in frieren they're simply a race of animals that exist to be antagonists to humans, (but i do like the take of them being legitimately evil with no chance at redemption) they add nothing to the themes of loss or moving on
while the demons in dungeon meshi are extra-dimensional alien(s) who come from a world where infinity exists, theres no cycle of death and rebirth or eating and pooping, they slowly seep into the "real world" and eat the desries of mortal men, this adds to dungeon meshis exploration of food and its place in ecosystems
tldr dungeon meshi is better written

>>281466915
Were those brownoids on /tg/ for almost a decade too?

>>281476811
Most likely.

>>281476083
I dropped Frieren before they even announced an anime. Apparently a story that is a 6/10 or 7/10 in every field is the best thing ever now because people like safe shit now.

>>281477087
Good bye tourist, no one is gonna miss you.

>>281477259
Enjoy your shounen slop! You're in the right board for it.

I only watched DM (anime + manga). Since it seems current day /a/ prefers Frieren, try to convince me to watch it.
And I don't want any vagueposting like "it's just better because I said so". I want actual reasons with examples

>>281466659 (OP)
Because one is forced pretentious boring shit that's spammed daily and it's not dungeon meshi

>>281472792
Another great aspect, and part of this is the monthly page count, is that even into the end game, you'd get complete episodic stories in single chapters. Increasingly, obviously, they were part of the overarching serial narrative, but you could almost always be sure you'd get a digestible story with its own particular conclusion, however minor, in a chapter or two. This is, frankly, unheard of for this kind of manga nowadays.

Doesn't help that the ending bucks the trend of wrapping everything up too quickly, giving you several chapters to hash out the main casts', and some side characters', deals. Rather than just an abrupt conclusion with a few panels and narration boxes.

Before both got animated, Meshifags would shit on Frieren completely unprompted. They were extremely arrogant and kept going on about how Dungeon Meshi is the greatest fantasy manga of all time etc, really snobbish bunch. Frieren getting the better adaptation is just karma.

>>281466659 (OP)
Better story and characters.

>>281475777
yeah because battle shounen slop #59363 is the pinnacle of writing

>>281477486
Frieren has nothing going for it besides it's animation, all style and no substance.

>>281477486
I don't believe you. I think you are lying. I can't remember a single Frieren post in any of the Dungeon Meshi threads I was in since early on. I assume it must have been mentioned at some point, and perhaps you had some trolls shitting on Frieren in those threads, but I don't think I ever heard a single thing about Frieren in a Dungeon Meshi thread.

>>281466915
Anon I need you to look up the name of the magazine Freiren is in

>>281467098
I'm mostly so busy watching super niche stuff I don't actually know what /a/ likes for the most part

>>281466659 (OP)
Reddit loves Dungmeshi, and NPCs love Frieren.

Real /a/nons like me hate both.

>>281475490
Meds

>>281477383
The only people spamming Frieren are its haters.

I like both

>>281466915
>frieren is literally me

>>281466915
Frieren is the most popular anime in leddit

>>281477970
I was interested in checking out Frieren until I heard it was in a long running tournament arc and then I lost most of that interest. Might still check out the early chapters, or the one shot if it had it?, since I also heard that's where the meat of the basic idea is before it gets drawn out into ongoing manga hell.

>>281478330
Almost twice the number of members of Dungeon Meshi sub. Frieren is truly the most Reddit anime.

>>281478480
That's when I realized it was crap with no direction and only the most basic notion of a decent premise.

>>281466659 (OP)
I hate both

>>281477336
I teared up a bunch of times, I think its really beautiful, but a bit slow if you were expecting a battle shounen
Give the first 4 episodes a try.
DM is still on my list, I'll watch it soon

>>281477625
You'll understand it when you're older.

they hate women they dont think they can control

>>281478480
It's not really a tournament, and it's necessary world building so you know how the magic system actually works why the characters are how they are.

>>281478553
>Frieren is truly the most Reddit anime
Not even close

> ree just cant enter the demon continent without passing the mage exam

Because what will they do if you wont? Call the border patrol? fucking cringe ahh 'follow da rules!' Japanese writing that makes no sense in universe

>>281479758
ermmm they made it clear that doing the exam allowed them to take the shortest route, going without it would take the x5 as long to reach the same place but you're a dumb fucking monkey typing on his little monkey keyboard.

Love DM. Love Frieren. Love elves. Simple as.

>>281479784
That's just a plot contrivance. If Frieren had revealed her true identity nobody would have dared to stop her.
In fact, you don't even know how to defend the manga you like, since it's obvious that the real reason Frieren decided to take the exam at all was for Fern's growth's sake, which is actually a compelling character motivation.

>>281479837
insipid faggot.

>>281479902
This isnt your twitter accound bio section friend.

>>281479837
God I love elves.

>>281470812
>Frieren is the only high fantasy anime to exist in decades that's actually about a believable world and beyond that, a believable elf as well. It takes a page out of Tolkein's playbook on how disassociated a timeless, ageless being like an elf would be from literally all other life on the planet.
A bunch of disconnected flashbacks with 0 payoffs isn't good world building its lazy dishonest writing. Himmel not getting the hero sword will never be relevant in the story ever again, also your telling me that humanity can keep improving on zoltrack for several decades but everyone somehow forgot who Frieren was in less than a generation.

>>281480380
Who cares if Himmel not getting the hero sword is relevant to the story in the future? It was relevant to the story when it happened, and when we found out about it. Not everything has to be constantly relevant.
Zoltraak is an everyday spell for mages, so yes, they kept improving on it for several decades. Frieren was off wandering around looking for random folk magic and was never trying to be famous to begin with, so why would anyone remember her?

>>281470812
People who compare Frieren to Tolkien instantly reveal themselves as nitwits who never read Tolkien.

>>281466659 (OP)
dungeon meshi started off boring but became amazing, Frieren started off amazing then became boring. i like both, but prefer dunmeshi

>>281466915
brownoids don't hide their love of anime behind 200 pounds of irony.

>>281469399
there's no real suspense in that arc since I know Frieren will just win no matter what. I'm not into flashy battles.

>>281480380
>everyone somehow forgot who Frieren was in less than a generation
This was the straw that broke the camels back for me, hurrr take this mage exam you literal who elf mage so we can fit in a shonen tournament/exam arc in the middle of nowhere. Arent elves supposed to be extremely rare in universe, it wouldn't be a stretch to say that the only elf the majority of people knew was the one in the heroes party. The show cant even follow the rules set by its own world building.

>>281466659 (OP)
What's with the console war faggotry? Get that shitpost bait off /a/.

>>281480500
There are definitely similarities, in particular the themes around mortality and the impacts of the passage of time. Both on the world and the characters. They are hard to ignore

When most people draw connection between the two it's really to talk about the premise of 'what if after LOTR and the Fellowship defeat Sauron, Gandalf realised he never got to know X better until after thy died'
Which is very surface level

>>281480652
Talk to the average person in real life, they don't know anything about history. Literally nothing at all. People are self-involved and ignorant, as a rule. Now apply that to somebody who's spent the last thousand years trying to avoid the spotlight, and is wholly uninterested in human affairs.

>>281480721
The movie literally has a thing about Arwen outliving Aragorn and how that will make her sad.

>>281480753
>The movie
Proving my point.

nothing but retards itt

>>281480738
No, this is like a soccer playing not knowing who Pele is, or like a jazz player never hearing about Miles Davis. It's stupid.

>>281479448
>t. 17yo

>>281466659 (OP)
Rigged.

>>281470812
>It contains none of the grating shounen or isekai high fantasy tropes

>>281480598
>dungeon meshi started off boring but became amazing
and it remained boring

>>281466659 (OP)
shame its the opposite for the animes

>>281467339
>mid in abyss
Nah.

>>281470812
The worldbuilding of frieren is utterly generic slop though. It's the same dragon quest expy setting we have seen a hundred fucking times. Frieren might as well be an isekai setting given how basic and derivative it's setting is

>>281467339
This, except "better" is an understatement. Made in Abyss is the greatest work of art in anime/manga since at least the 2010s, possibly up to Texhnolyze's release date.

Meshi and Frieren are in the same tier as other "flavor of the current year" trash, like your shitshonens and whatnot. They will be forgotten as soon as their generations grow up.

Made in Abyss is eternal.

>>281482940
It's funny how everyone hated on me when I called out Frieren as slop in the height of it's popularity on /a/, and now already apparently /a/ turned against it?

It's funny how I am always right, 100% of the time. I am /a/'s Messiah who gets crucified for telling it how it is.

>>281483013
Maybe wait until your manga finishes first, mmkay? I like MiA, but I'll have to see it stick the landing first, to regard it as a true masterpiece.

>>281472503
Japanese fantasy is wholly derivative of western fantasy, especially shit like frieren for example. Elves and dwarves aren't Japanese, they are from European mythology. Actually properly Japanese fantasy is stuff like Princess mononoke. Frieren is essentially just western fantasy with anime aesthetics

>>281483039
Eh, I remember anons shitting on the lack of expressions and dialogue in chapter release threads, way before the anime.
The original fans understood that ot wasn't a perfect manga, but now we got a huge influx of obnoxious secondaries that unironically believe it's the height of fantasy.

>>281474308
Your tastes are pure fucking shit.

>>281483154
>lack of expressions and dialogue
*and the stilted dialogue

>>281483039
I shat on frieren for being generic and boring from the get go.

>>281483013
Made in Abyss is an actually unique fantasy story, that by itself elevates it massively above most of the generic and derivative fantasy slop like frieren. Dungeon meshi has a pretty generic fantasy setting, but it at least does something unique with it and has a coherent story that nails the landing.

>>281483340
As a Made in Abyss fan Dungeon Meshi is great too in a different way. While MiA creates a completely original setting Dungeon Meshi takes the classic fantasy and put a unique twist to it with monsters being closer to animals that require food, predate on each other and reproduce instead of just being enemies to be defeated, with humans not being the generic middle ground but having special traits as well, with long lived races dominating world politics instead of humans being the dominant race and the other races inhabiting their specific habitats, etc.

Dungeon Meshi is for extroverted normies that act quirky and say they're "autistic". Frieren is for actual autists.

>>281467686
this

>>281483145
>with anime aesthetics
And that's what makes it better.

>>281484334
Maybe if you are a completely braindead retard that gets wooed by just surface level aesthetics, but given that you have admitted to liking absolutely bottom tier trash isekai itt, I guess having no taste is just part of what you are.

>>281484396
Nah, anyone with good tase would agree. You're just a subhuman westaboo.

>>281484396
Nothing is more bottom of the barrel than dung meshit.

>>281484468
>>281484517
>t. subhuman that admitted to liking fucking re-zero

Animals like you have no ground to stand on regarding what is good or not.

>>281484562
Never said anything about liking re zero or any isekai you illiterate retard.

>>281484562
dung meshit is as trashy and boring as a fantasy can get

You can tell that most of the shilling for dung meshi comes from one autist because he's always making schizo posts. It instantly outs him. You don't see any where near as much schizophrenia in most other threads on /a/.

>>281484334
Child.

>>281483107
>Maybe wait until your manga finishes first, mmkay?
Normally I would, but just up to the current manga, even if it shits the landing, it's a masterpiece. It can either end as an even bigger (legendary) masterpiece (because a long running series having a good ending is extremely rare), or it can just have a unsatisfying ending (then it would be still remembered for the good times, like YYH) or Tsukushi dies before finishing it/gets arrested for having things mapped out too much (then it would be remembered like HxH instead, HxH's author will also die before ending its current arc).

>>281483340
>but it at least does something unique
Yeah, I agree it does something unique, but it shouldn't have done the "unique" thing.
>dude! let him cook!
>yo he cooked?
>he cooked too much!
>ooh is that a big fat maggot? mmm that actually kinda slaps for real
>oiishiiii
>oishiii
>...umai!
Immediately establishes there will be no steaks in it's opening scene, supposedly the Dung is filled with dangers, yet nobody ever gets any threatening injury, except off screen nobodies, and it just rips off generic fantasy stuff which I've seen a thousand times in generic "muh OC" D&D campaigns and pretends its hot shit, because isekai is even more generic than Western generic.

Its uniqueness is no different than all the masses of subhumans who had their mind blown by the Frieren scene where... she tells a demon to kill herself... wow. Mind control? This is insane, never seen before.
>Actually it's because it was a DEMON girl who had to kill herself, so erotic.
Never in my life have I seen a more erection killing series than Frieren. Impossible to fap to. Dungeon Meshi I maybe fapped to by accident before I knew what it is, because of a random pic in a Shpo multiple-works release.

I am actually quite proud of the fact that I cannot masturbate to dogshit written female characters.

>>281483548
>Dungeon Meshi is for extroverted normies that act quirky and say they're "autistic". Frieren is for NPCs, including "autistic" NPCs.
Fixed out of pity, because the first part was sort of appropriate.

>>281484873
It's children that lap up trigger cartoons, if anything.

>>281484989
>dude! let him cook!
>yo he cooked?
>he cooked too much!
>ooh is that a big fat maggot? mmm that actually kinda slaps for real
>oiishiiii
>oishiii
>...umai!
What the actual fuck are you even babbling about? Did you just create an image in your head of what this manga is and got mad about it?

>>281485137
he's right

>>281485137
Look buddy, I am not a cruel man, I'm not gonna ask you to imagine an apple in your head right now, I know you can do it. But hypothetically speaking, if you had an inner voice/imagination, you would understand that that was me accurately parodying what every episode of Dung on Meshi is like. All they do is
>have no steaks
>cook some disgusting slop which is oishii, because, um well it is okay?
>rinse and repeat
Occasionally you get a moral lesson that we need to let Orcs into Japan, they are just like us actually. They are misunderstood and they lash out against elves because institutionalized racism.

>>281485374
You clearly have not read dungeon meshi.

>>281485564
He shouldn't read it because it's trash, I regret even trying it.

>>281466659 (OP)
They're both shit.

>>281469708
Dungeon Meshi manga dump threads were usually pretty active though. I don't know what you're talking about. I remember people criticizing Dungeon Meshi threads made outside of when chapters came out too, so they were active enough to attract those schizos.

>>281484396
Take note /a/. See how vicious and angry he gets when someone simply likes anime? Such a benign and innocuous thing makes him go apeshit. This is the kind of person who hates Frieren and likes dung meshit. He hates Japanese culture and aesthetics, he hates anime. Frieren represents the pinnacle of anime these days and it takes a genuine subhuman to not appreciate it.

>>281485772
DM was so popular it got release threads in like three different boards

>>281485374
I repeat: What the actual fuck are you even babbling about? Did you just create an image in your head of what this manga is and got mad about it?

>>281466659 (OP)
Why do dungeon meshi characters all look so stupid?

>>281485927
>>281485137
It's not his fault that you're too thick to get it.

>>281486061
He's literally making shit up.

>>281466659 (OP)
/a/ can't accept Frieren killed Aura with the power of KYS

>>281486061
>his

>>281466659 (OP)
>implying implications

frieren attracts the "anime is le heckin wholesome and a disney alternative" neo puritan japan hater crowd

>>281486365
Amazing how that literally describes Dungeon Meshi and not Frieren.

>>281486384
Nah.

>>281466659 (OP)
I like both, but it's obviously because /a/nons want to be contrarian.

>>281486495
>liking dung meshit
cringe

>>281486623
>cringecringecringecringecringecringecringecringe
Get better material, slave.

>>281474378
>>281486147
Don't you get tired of being a schizo?

>>281486768
Learn how to disguise yourself better, and people won't call you out.
Your methods are crude.

>>281486948
>damage controlling
You're an obvious schizo.

Frieren is a genuine masterpiece.

Guys I think I broke him. He only says this >>281486973 now.

>>281467104
Frieren cheats by letting them conjure the staff when they need it
Rudy has to carry his staff everywhere
it's more grounded and thus, better.

I'm a idort and like both equally. But right now Dungeon Meshi excels over Frieren at one exceptionally important aspect: It has a good ending, while we don't know, how Frieren will play out at the end. Too many times have I been burned by lackluster endings. I just can't stand it anymore.

>>281487544
No need to make the exact same post so many times bud.

>>281487713
This Trigger shill is insane. He keeps repeating variations of "frieren ended bad" while shilling dung meshit.

>>281487544
>lets just spam copies of myself as if that's never been done in fiction before
The way dungeon meshi ends is shit. The way Laios killed the winged Lion wasn't unique or interesting.

>>281487713
>everyone who thinks x is the same person
>>281487857
Literally no one has said anything about Frieren's ending, because it hasn't ended yet.
>>281487906
>lets just spam copies of myself
Anon I'm afraid you either didn't read the ending, or you didn't understanding. In fact, I believe you just skimmed the chapter looking for something to nitpick, without realizing what was actually happening on-page.

>>281487713
>>281487857
AI bots ware now hallucinating that Frieren finished

It's sad that a god tier anime like Frieren aired in the same season as dung meshit. Trigger cultists always attack and try to put down anything that airs at the same time as their schlock. If Frieren had just been in a different season then 95% of the hate spam wouldn't have happened.

Frieren massively eclipsed dungeon meshi in it's own season and that has forever made some people jealous.

>>281487906
>Big chunk of the final volume dedicated to an epilogue
>Laios becomes king
>Stuck-up elves reluctantly let the past be the past in this one case
>Falin gets rescued
>All immediate problems get resolved
A good ending is not just about the final fight.

>>281488214
Don't you have a PSG thread to go spam on?

>>281488099
>everyone who thinks x is the same person
Heh.

dungeon meshi is kino and fun, frieren is boring as fuck

>>281488774
If that was the case, I wouldn't have dropped dung meshi and finished Frieren.

>>281489024
you have shit taste like the rest of /a/, shocking

>>281478047
>Meds
What's this? Did you screencap your own post lmao? He's right, there is a TriggerNigger mod who is biased against Frieren. They banned people for having opinions they didn't like. See pic related.

Really glad I read Dungeon Meshi with /a/ before the threads got filled with endless amounts of samefagging and console war-tier trash. Mods will really just let one guy fill multiple threads with replies to himself.

>>281489100
The storytime before the end really was the last swan for this fanbase on /a/.

>>281489045
If you hate anime and suck off cartoons like dung meshit so much then fuck off to /co/.

>>281489164
kill yourself pantyschizo, dungeon meshi is a manga first and foremost. Fucking KILL YOURSELF.

>>281489193
>pantyschizo
But pancencorship is ruining anime. Why would you support that, Triggershitter?

>>281489193
Why do you want anime to be pansterilized?

>>281489135
>the last swan
I meant the swan song, just realized I'm retarded.

Why was Little Bitch Academia pansterilized?

>>281489439
>>281489471
>>281489552
Surely your beloved Frieren has many many pantyshots, right?

LOL. The Triggerfag mod doesn't want people finding out about this.

fucking rangeban this guy >>281489638 already

>>281489586
Not many but yes it does.

>>281489786
Share the love, then. Post them.

>>281489638
Why do mods always shill trash and hate on good anime?

>>281489439
Damn Trigger censoring this scene by not having any panties in sight!

>>281489911
Those bastards removed her panties before the scene so we couldn’t get a panty shot! So much Trigger censorship!

>>281466659 (OP)
Current /a/ isn't even the anime board any more dude. It's not even worth arguing over, this place is an absolute newfag cesspit and you should be ashamed of posting here.

Wasn't Frieren made by the same director that removed every trace of ecchi and breasts from Bocchi the Rock?

>>281489672
>seething shill
Funny that you say that since it's actually dung meshit triggerniggers who are known evaders.

>>281472248
>the lack of japanese anime/jrpg tropes like elemental magic
People don't like that the magic isnt a steaming pile of shit?

>>281489552
LWA had awful visuals.

>>281490254
Kek, dunmeshifags really do openly admit to being evaders. This is probably the guy spamming Frieren hate threads every week

>>281490265
Dungeon Meshi magic is really lame and boring. It's not aesthetic either. The anon who mentioned Re:Zero was spot on. Re Zero Ice magic is cool and how you do it.

>>281485374
>Occasionally you get a moral lesson that we need to let Orcs into Japan, they are just like us actually. They are misunderstood and they lash out against elves because institutionalized racism.
How do you somehow take away the exact opposite of what happens in the series? Orcs are portrayed as naturally violent. It's still possible to cooperate with them though.

>>281487330
Mushoku Tesei is unironically more grounded and has less vidya/rpg logic than Frieren

>>281490486
>Orcs are portrayed as naturally violent.
Not him. They weren't really portrayed as anything because Trigger were too lazy to animate them being violent when they attacked that establishment.

upgrade

>>281490573
can you fix her nose too?

>>281490522
It's a fantastic example of Japanese fantasy unlike dung meshit.

>>281490522
They should have done it like in Harry Potter, on paper.

>>281490526
That is irrelevant to the matter at hand.

>>281490254
Frieren hate always seemed forced and unusual. I wouldn't be surprised if most of it was an evading Triggertard.

>>281490485
You're not bearing the isekaifag allegations, buddy.

>>281490526
>portrayal doesn't exist because it wasn't animated and was done with stills
>animefag doesn't remember that the manga exists
That's also not the only scene in the series to show what the orcs are like. Must suck to be as brain dead as this post leads me to believe you are.

Every board has it's dedicated insane schizo retards it seems.

If the frieren anime was handled by trigger this fag would be calling it shit and having a meltdown due to how many threads about frieren are posted lol

>yet another console war thread
Kill yourself OP

>>281490682
Quick rundown on the trigger schizo? What did they do to piss him off so much?

>>281490682
No shit. He really fucking hates Trigger.

>>281490626
>bearing
lmao

>>281490766
Now that's just rude. I have specifically avoided the low hanging fruit of correcting typos in this thread.

>>281490650
Yup, Trigger cultists are the most rabid schizos I've ever seen. Even /b/tards aren't this bad.

>>281490646
>That's also not the only scene in the series to show what the orcs are like.
But they did a shit job with the visual storytelling overall. they were too lazy to adequately animate them being violent.

>>281467104
Marcille doing her best impression of Mariabelle

>>281490838
Don't compare Maria hime to that ugly elf.

>>281490618
It's an eternally seething and jealous Triggernigger.

>>281490838
I bet they'd be friends

>>281490485
>I am a child that only cares about flashy visual effects
Isekaifags are not sending their best

>>281475619
It's a containment thread to get the schizo to stop shitposting in Panty & Stocking threads. It worked.

>>281490753
I don't know exactly what set him off originally, but going by his (extremely obvious) posting patterns, he dislikes Trigger because he thinks they're too westernized, often describing Trigger anime as "cartoons." He also has a hateboner for their adaptation of Dungeon Meshi specifically. I'm assuming that's because it's set in a vaguely western fantasy setting. Most of the time he just samefags in an incredibly obvious manner while accusing everyone who calls him out for his samefagging of being samefags themselves. As seen here >>281490795

>>281491179
don't fucking let him know, stoopid

>Frieren is rated as the best anime of all time
>Dung Meshit crashes and burns with 3K sales
Kek.

Is Jarman dead? He's not updated in a while...

>salesfagging
>in ANNO DOMINI MMXXV
shiggy diggy

>>281490682
>If the frieren anime was handled by trigger
Trigger have never and could never produce something with Frieren's production values though.

>>281491207
>>Dung Meshit crashes and burns with 3K sales
Looks like there is still hope for humanity.

>>281491188
>schizo ramblings
>often describing Trigger anime as "cartoons."
Trigger garbage is cartooney though. Why do you always seethe about people making factual statements about Trigger. Trigger works often have more simplistic and easier to animate designs than typical Japanese animation.

>>281491207
Just enjoy both shows ffs.
Personally I found Dungeon Meshi boring but it felt like a work of passion, and the premise and the world building was interesting.

>>281491188
Given his praise for "japanese fantasy" being essentially just a specific type of surface level aesthetics and few tropes, mostly derived from dragon quest (which itself is extremely derivitive of western fantasy anyways) rather than anything actually japanese, as we have seen itt, it seems that he is just fucking retarded and/or autistic and has some fixed idea in his head about what anime is supposed to look like and he thinks that trigger doesn't adhere to that imagined aesthetic standard, or some shit like that.

>>281491365
Never seen a cartoon that looked remotely like a Trigger show.

>>281491397
Educate yourself.

>>281491372
>Just enjoy both shows ffs.
I tried but I also got really bored when watching dungeon Meshi. Frieren was satisfying throughout.

>but it felt like a work of passion
How? It was lazy and the animation was garbage.

>>281491415
I wonder how I knew for a fact you wouldn't post any examples.

>>281491425
I agree on the animation front but the world and the premise, it felt like someone wanted to do something else than some by the numbers crap.
I can't fault them for having a limited budget and trying to make the most of it.

>>281491372
>Personally I found Dungeon Meshi boring
It should've been half as long.

>>281491486
>it felt like someone wanted to do something else than some by the numbers crap
Eh, I guess that's more credit to Kui than Trigger though.

>>281466659 (OP)
DM had a good adaptation it's just unlucky it decided to air at the same time another popular fantasy manga got a generational adaptation. It just sucked all the air out the discourse

>>281490838
she's too autistic for that

>>281491508
>DM had a good adaptation
>garbage animation is a good adaptation
You have low standards.

>>281491486
Not him. Why do people still talk about budget? You can make good looking shows without "budget", what matters is production value. Maid Dragon had some of the best looking visuals ever and it didn't have a higher budget than average. That's because it has talented staff who put lots of effort into it. You could give a billion dollars to bunch of retards and if they don't put effort in the project will still look like shit.

>>281491649
anon, you have no idea what is true garbage animation

>>281491738
You ever seen Märchen Mädchen? Just because there are worse things than dung meshit doesn't mean dung meshit isn't still sub par.

>>281491540
Spergs of a feather flock together

>>281491871
DM is squarely above average

>>281491914
It's about average overall, maybe a bit below. The quality is very inconsistent through the series though. Some parts like when the orcs plundered the shop were definitely below average.

>>281491207
Nips can see duing meshit for the trash that it is.

>>281491914
haha no

>>281491977
>Some parts like when the orcs plundered the shop were definitely below average.
That I can agree with. It had some excellent shots and scenes, though, especially for a newbie director.
I have high hopes for the second season

>>281472060
Frieren attitude towards demons is very fitting DM. Dungeon Meshi demons are even more dangerous than Frieren demons

>>281491980
And yet the manga is wildly popular

>>281491898
Maria isn't cringey like Marcille.

>>281492027
IDK. Winged lion is goofy and not really scary.

>>281492030
on tumblr lmao

>>281492055
At first he's moe.
After... not so much

>>281492067
and 4chan
and japan
and the USA
it sells like hotcakes

>>281492034
She is very cringe
And it's great

made in abyss mogs dung meshi

>>281492151
Abyssbros and Meshiheads are friends, anti-trigger-schizo

>>281492055
>goofy and not really scary.
Also trust worthy. You can make with Winged Lion, you will not regret this

DM forget the basic rule of fantasy world building, you gotta have good and memorable music

Frieren knew this

>>281492241
I liked the main theme and leitmotif, personally.
Soundtrack has nothing to do with world building, though.

>>281492241
>DM forget the basic rule of fantasy world building
Frieren also has much better establishing shots and higher quality art.

>>281470320
>>281475377
>>281475619
>>281492181
Seek help, spammer.

>>281492281
You are mentally ill.

>>281491372
>I found Dungeon Meshi boring
This coupled with the terrible character designs made it one of the worst fantasy shows to come out in 2024.

>>281492323
You upset that you got caught? lol

>>281492281
Lol that Triggershill has been seething for 21 hours. holy fuck

>>281492335
Just thought I'd employ your own replies

>>281492281
So the turbo autistic shill is calling his boogeyman "anti trigger schizo"? Noted.

>>281490994
>i am a subhuman who replies with a strawman
>thinks other people aren't sending their best
Oh the irony.

>>281492347
You'd think goodsmile would be paying him a fortune but he's just a no lifer with abhorrent taste.

>>281492347
DM isn't very popular on /a/, it's just that a mod loves it and that it has a few super obsessed fanboys. It's not genuinely popular the way Frieren is.

>>281492457
I can't imagine why someone would simp for such a boring dogshit. Most fantasy anime are much more entertaining than dung meshit.

>>281492476
>DM isn't very popular on /a/, it's just that a mod loves it and that it has a few super obsessed fanboys.
That's very apparent. It's like 4 fanboys with very thin skin and one of them is insanely schizophrenic.

>>281466659 (OP)
Frieren is an A tier fantasy and Dungeon Meshi is an F tier fantasy.

>>281492347
>>281492409
>>281492447
>>281492457
>>281492476
>>281492493
>>281492513
>>281492573

>>281492605
You resort to angry mass quoting when things aren't in your favor.

>>281471150
good taste

>>281492151
it mogs it any day of the week desu

>>281492632
He did it earlier ITT too lmao:
>>281475227
>>281475015
>>281474973
He's endlessly malding about /a/ shitting on this boring schlock.

>>281492632
Hey, you're the one who started samefagging like crazy after we reached bump limit

>>281491372
>Personally I found Dungeon Meshi boring
Same.

>>281492688
I haven't done anything like that, you're demented.

>>281492669
kek

>>281492732
I believe you
NOT!

>>281478947
ugly

>>281488774
if you're a stupid retard

>>281466659 (OP)
The characters in Dungeon Meshi are boring and that kills my enjoyment more than anything.

Such organic posting in this thread, I'm sure that it faithfully represents /a/'s userbase.

>>281472277
Yeah, dungeons are common and basically a staple in Japanese fantasy. You blew the fuck out of that newfag.

>>281490485
based IsekaiCHAD

>>281472442
>>281472454
that actually looks nasty

>>281493008
Unfortunately we have a mod who fanatically shills dungeon meshi and attacks Frieren so things get skewed.

>>281487025
/thread

>>281493100
Then why did posts like
>>281471007
>>281470077
>>281473801
>>281470173
>>281476066
>>281491188
and so forth get deleted? (all with different timestamps, so it wasn't an IP wipe).
Your story doesn't hold water.

>>281493143
I bunch of those are off topic you retarded newfag.

>>281489552
kek QUALITY

>>281493165
Same as all the ones from you that got deleted you idiot, that was my whole point.
Most of the posts that got deleted on this thread are because it's a terrible bait shitposting thread, with you being hit more than most because you're literally retarded.

>>281493198
>projecting
None of my posts got deleted you sperg.

>>281466659 (OP)
>Why /a/ love Dunmeshi but hate Frieren?
Dungeon Meshi has had a dedicated fanbase here since chapter 9 of the manga. An anon had always made a thread to discuss the current chapter and it was a very fun time. Frieren has had similar threads but DM has been in the catalog since 2012. Just a more storied past on here

>>281493218
Sure.

>>281493273
Seek help.

>>281493262
The mod has been shilling DM for a very long time.

>>281469548
i hate this ugly retard

Meshiturds should go back to tumblr.

>>281493434
Half of them are /co/ckroaches.

>>281470550
>>281470713
>>281483145
>>281474468
>>281474527
>democracy isn't American culture because it originated in Anceint Greece
Are you braindead? Something can be a trope of both western and eastern fantasy and they can have distinct and recognizably unique takes on it. That's his point. Something doesn't necessarily need to originate in Japan for it to be considered Japanese. Is "Blue China" not Chinese because Chinks weren't the first to invent crockery? Of course not, it's their unique spin on it. Japanese fantasy doesn't feel like western fantasy for the reasons he stated. I also like Japanese fantasy for it's anime style aesthetics and because aspects like elemental magic play a greater role in them.

>>281485374
You're talking to an imbecile who wont take you in good faith.

>>281493806
This. Japanese fantasy has cooler magic and don't feel the need to have disgusting caricatures everywhere.

>>281466659 (OP)
Dungeon Meshi is overrated and boring, Frieren mops the floor with it.

Looking at the art in Frieren feels like bliss.
Looking at the art in dung meshit feels like having acid poured into my eyes.

>>281474308
You'd never see aesthetic, 2D, badass fights like this in western shit.

>>281483206
your mom is shit

>the only way dungeon meshi can be relevant is to leech of Frieren
LMAO