Thread 281493794

KIMETSU DOMINATION

shoseki doko

It really won, hard.

UU EVISCERATION

>not a single reprint after volume 1
>Circulation is over double known physical sales
>Stagnating and declining after 3 volumes
What went wrong with Ichi

Our

>Kimetsufag thread
Nah, I'm posting on another thread

>>281493857
Kagurabachi

>>281493873
nendroid WINNERs

Ichi will not get a boost with the anime
Kagurabachi is WSJ only hope

>>281493869
>>281493869
>>281493869
>>281493869

Tougo Shiba.....

>>281493857
>boring arcs
>way too homosexual in a bad way
>character designs feel like ripoffs of other characters barring descarass

Reminder Kagurabachi is the ONLY manga to rank bottom and survive

>>281493911
KGB is dead

>>281493936
Most retarded chart I've seen, why do you keep spamming this?

>>281493916
I don't get it

>>281493936
Hey >>281493886

>>281493794 (OP)
https://tcbscans-manga.com/manga/kagurabachi/chapter-90/

>KaedegaMID thread
Yeah, I'll be posting in this one

>>281493971
>women chapter
KGBbros....

HI

MA

TEN

"exclamation mark"

Cosmetic Brand "Himariz"

An energetic high school girl president

With 80,000 followers

I'm the charismatic model Yoshino Himari

But I can't cook

I can't do laundry

I can't clean the dishes

And I can't even use the copy machine.....

I totally suck at housework

My company hired a personal housemaid for me

A GUY FROM MY CLASS?!

IEMORI TENICHI?!

I CAN'T LET THE ENTIRE SCHOOL KNOW ABOUT THIS

It's a secret between us

WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO?!

Good Morning Iemori

"yawn"

My high school life is over

I'm so lame

That's right, you baka

Himariz? That's my cosmetic

I look up to my housekeeper

From now on, please protect my home, okay?

>>281493971
>MANki!not chapter
PROCEEED

>>281493873
CHILLERS... CHILLING at Anime NYC

Ichi sucks
the only reason it sells is because of the authorfags
Literally same shit as medaka box and that mystery box manga that got axed and whatever

>>281493995
>>281494010
Kiri won.

>Takeru teams up with Too Kyo games to create a KGB visual novel / srpg game
>You can go back and choose whole different wielders for the OG blades in the war, creating tons of different alternate routes
Hundred Line kino....

>>281493873
HEROES

>>281494084
>Zero

beef or chicken?

>>281493794 (OP)
oh are they reprinting it?

>>281494084
Takeru understands that flat is justice.

>>281494108
>Random npc drawn by assistant

>>281494068
>>Takeru teams up with Too Kyo games to create a KGB visual novel / srpg game
>>You can go back and choose whole different wielders for the OG blades in the war, creating tons of different alternate routes
>Hundred Line kino....
BUY

>>281494111
Let me get a checked with side of dubs, thank you very much.

>>281494123
You never said drawn by Takeru, you said in Kagurabachi

>>281494043
Would be hotter if she had giant tits
Even Fujimoto added big tits in part 2 with falling (hottest girl ever btw)

>>281494116
Yes you can tell its new reprint because of the movie slip.
270M (total series) by movie 2.

>>281494170
Fool should've ordered the beef...

>>281494068
only possible if Pierrot got it instead of Cygames.

>>281494203
Why would pierrot matter? they don't do games
Also going for Pierrot risks getting that dogshit nishio character designer

You dont hate Kagurabachi, you hate Hokazano because he made it big as a mangaka despite learning to draw in 2 years
You hate him because he dropped college and made it big shortly after
You hate him because he is doing what he wants instead of being a wagie

>>281493995
*men chapter

Weekly mangaka is just glorified wagie though

>>281494271
you can hit it and retire early tho

>>281494068
>Hundred Line
I apologize to that one Anon who said
>First 150 hours
I get it now, doing like 6 endings out of 100 has added an additional 30 hours to my runtime

>>281494252
I respect him for stating that talent is real and trumps hardwork in Kagurabachi.

>>281494271
They make 10% per volume sale
Wagies wish they got that for every spreadsheet they make

>>281493850
The art is really hard to follow and the characters are flat. Why did it last so long?

ICE will deport takeru and his latinx goons

>>281493857
I draw the line at a choker on a boy

99.99% of mangaka flop and have to work multiple jobs
Just like Kimetsu is another level of success. any hit that does even 100k is already better than the majority

>>281494302
Mangakas that are hardworkfags and LOST?

>>281494294
Told you
how many of those were good?

>>281494007
What's the joke here?

>>281494323
He'll gift them a real life MAGAtsumi and they'll let him go.

It's gotten to the point where I actually feel sorry for the people that can't enjoy Kimetsu. Generational run both in the manga and of course the anime

>>281494319
>Why did it last so long?
the manga's premise? affected real life

>>281493936
interesting!
i decided to look it up and see how the other manga were doing and compiled your beloved growth% into a simple chart.
i compared these last 8 volumes. for DanDaDan i used the 8 volumes pre anime and the last bit is how big the anime boost was

so, i will admit that ichi only uses week first, but i thought that was funny, so there's that. also i did not bother counting every volumes of one piece so i just put the last volume and the first

that said, it seems like KGB actually declined the least compared to all other manga, on top of being the only one without anime.
so here's that, a properly updated graphic for when you post it, i did it for free

>>281494343
Comedy route so honestly I liked most of them besides the Fish Head route endings

>>281494350
Glad to be one of the 2016 OG's
Always believed in Kinometsu

>>281494323
Flame seal will save him

>>281494039
>Ichi sucks
>the only reason it sells is because of the authorfags
>Literally same shit as medaka box and that mystery box manga that got axed and whatever
Will never understand why Jump still puts him in
dude brings NO outside audience. Just put him in another magazine

>>281494369
fav characters?

>>281493794 (OP)
UTAGE NO JIKAN DA

>>281494428
Tsubasa

>>281494335
Kawaguchi

The new villian in KGB is badly designed imo
shitty mustache. Should be a side character
don't know how Takeru did it after pulling an iconic masterpiece design on samura

>>281493794 (OP)
Actually excited about the movies, the Upper Moon 3 fights were the highlight of the manga

>>281494509
Akaza's is as good as you could make it animated.
Shinobu's was greatly expanded.
Big hopes for RED SPIDER LILY and the most retarded onii-chan ever.

>>281494486
>he hates El Zorro forma telenovela rapist
souless

Yodaka and Kiyoshi?
Will get FUCKED by Himari.

>>281494350
>>281494381
This is like seeing capeshit fans gloating circa 2016. No wonder you retards can't sustain a thread.

>>281494486
He looks like spic so that's good enough.

>>281494529
Akaza and koku fight is fundamentally different anon
I think the fan animation for koku does it justice though

>>281494287
After deteriorating your body to the point you need to shit in the shower

>>281494084
>Zero disgusting cowtits in Kagurabachi
FLAT IS JUSTICE

>>281494486
>masterpiece design on samura

That's just a copy of Kishimoto's random dude.

>>281494573
What does capeshit have to do with this? We got great manga run and the anime is also insane. so yes the fans won

>>281494593
And thats enough to be kino on this era of wsj

>>281494593
Post him

>>281494609
>w-we won

>>281494573
>gloating when you're on top is capeshit-exclusive
Ah and yes if there's any premise on which an MHAfag can gloat on, it's anti-capeshit

>>281494653
See
>>281494627

>>281494486
I like the mustache, it makes him look suave.

>>281494573
>manga is more than over
>movie still not released in first world countries outside japan
Waiting.

>>281494627
Which company are you alluding to here?
Also aren't you being a retarded faggot the last thread seething about popularity and comparing different manga popularity? kek
Anyway, the fans won, the author won, the publisher won, the studio won, and sony won. Everyone won here except seethers like you

>>281494653
>gloating when you're on top
On top of what?

>>281494486
Dogshit opinion, Kaguya won.

>>281494678
He looks like the wolf guy highschooler rapist here

>>281494593
>That's just a copy of Kishimoto's random dude.
Not a single naruto character looks like Samura

>>281494684
>Anyway, the fans won, the author won, the publisher won, the studio won, and sony won. Everyone won here except seethers like you

This is how I see KnYfags now

>>281494675
We are celebrating the manga/anime work being executed with such high quality, not the corpo/business side
But you already knew that

Another meltdown by J?

>>281494725
>jeremy's white filter selfie

>>281494695
On top of you, of course. Kneel, bitch

>>281494319
I think the plot was too convoluted

>>281494486
>>281494536
He not bad IMO but Hokozono absolutely fucked himself making Sojo THAT good

Undead unluck art looks like a badly drawn 2000's manga.

>>281494653
did this really happen

how the fuck is that not just blatant plagiarism

The STRONGEST

>>281494736
>the KnYspic shills Shitgeki no Kyoshit
See Torishima.

>>281494728
>We are celebrating the manga/anime work being executed with such high quality, not the corpo/business side
>>281494684
>the author won, the publisher won, the studio won, and sony won

>3dpd reaction images
Reminder that most of the shitting is done by a /v/edditor tourist.

>>281494785
... is Yoriichi "sword Superman" Tsugikuni, the unsurpassed

>>281494797
>Reminder that most of the shitting is done by a /v/edditor tourist.

we should rape him :3

>>281494807
We agree.

Tepig? WON
Shartkorita? Forgotten
Toto? lost

>>281494678
When is Hokozono going to give us the real villain

By the way, I'll post the Torishima interview here. Courtesy for the Demon Slayer faggot for trying to shit up my thread before. A good interview, and not just three faggots from Discord talking to themselves and shilling their badly written, poorly drawn manga.
>Question 1: Question for all three of you: what is your greatest artistic influence, whether in manga or elsewhere?

>Toyotaro: As you can probably guess, Dragon Ball had a huge influence on me as a child. But if we take Dragon Ball out of the equation, it would be all the manga I read when I was a kid like Kenshin, Vagabond, Slam Dunk, and all the manga from that era.
>However, if a mangaka only reads manga, that’s not enough. The manga world is really very narrow. I’ve also always been passionate about cinema and other forms of media. I was a huge Star Wars fan as a kid, and I watched a lot of Hollywood films, like the Back to the Future trilogy.

>Torishima: Before joining Shueisha, I had never read manga, so I had no influence coming from manga. I was very passionate about novels, and I always loved French literature. I read all of Stendhal. I even once took a three-month break at university to read and study Proust, especially In Search of Lost Time. So I think I have a very strong compatibility with France. I also love cinema, so let me give you my TOP 3: 1.) The Godfather (1972) by Francis Ford Coppola. 2.) Roman Holiday (1953) and my ideal woman is precisely Audrey Hepburn with short hair like in that movie. 3.) 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968). I think it's a fantastic work that actually does a good job of predicting what awaits us with AI.

>>281494855
>Toto? lost
...her virginity to Mihara Tafuku.

>>281494886
Kimetsu and SNK won
Torishiam the faggot lost, Dragon ball super and boruto he shills are dogshit
you can cope and seethe, but these are facts

>>281494712
I think that anon meant Mario from the one shot

>>281494796
I'll let that anon speak for himself then, but what makes me happy is seeing one of my favorite battle shounen getting adapted to perfection
Part of that perfection includes a supernaturally consistent release schedule (see Mappa sharting themselves half the time with JJK, another series I like) so on some level the corpo side deserves commendation
But all in all: Kimetsu mogged you. It doesn't matter whether Ufotable, Sony, Japan, Nasu, Togashi, whatever profited off of it. At the end of the day KnY and its fanbase won every victory there is to win with the exception of a now inevitable perfectly adapted conclusion

>>281494889
I cant believe Tafuku is a Florida crocfucker

>Nakatsuru: Like Toyotaro, I was very influenced by manga and anime when I was little. The body of work that left the biggest impression on me were the works of Leiji Matsumoto, not one in particular, but his entire interconnected universe. As a result, it was through Leiji Matsumoto’s works that I became interested in becoming an animator. And it was by watching what are now considered classics, like Miyazaki’s Castle in the Sky, that I became interested in the animation profession.
>Back then, I worked on a few animation projects related to Leiji Matsumoto, but that wasn’t enough for me to really establish myself as a professional while staying only in Matsumoto’s universe. It was only after becoming a senior animator that I encountered Toriyama’s work, and artistically, it’s undoubtedly Toriyama who has influenced me the most. Even today, I still work under that influence.
>>281494900
Torishima > (You)
Nakano > (You)

That's two industry insiders backing me up and both agreeing: "Yeah... That manga is pretty ass. But the anime is pretty." Cry more, Spic.

>>281494900
Stop replying to him

>>281494889
>...her virginity to Mihara Tafuku.
*...her virginity to Kuguri.

;)

>>281494919
Hey, don't judge.

>>281494917
Yep, always knew kimetsu was a hidden gem when Togashi recommended it. Then more and more legendary authors tarted recommending it
99% of manga never get that. Espeically in WSJ outside of the usual kishi/oda shill

>>281494778
The plot is legit cool but the art drags it down

>Question 2: In 1984, when Dragon Ball was launched, the population of boys aged 5 to 15 in Japan represented 8.22% of the total population. Today, in 2024 (40 years later), it’s only 4.2%. So the number of young boys (shonen in Japanese) has halved in 40 years. Given that, there are fewer and fewer shonen manga.
>How can shonen manga reinvent itself in the face of this shrinking readership?

>Torishima: It’s true that the demographic problem is a concern for the entire Japanese publishing industry. That said, there will always be children. We must continue to support those children who have stuck with us until now.
>The problem is that Shonen Jump and the rest of the professional magazines no longer make manga for children. And because of that, I think the future of manga is grim. There are more and more ways to read manga online, except access is limited for children, since they don’t have smartphones or credit cards.

>What’s more, when we read digital manga, the algorithm ensures we only read the same type of work. So we’ve reached a point where all manga have the same price, the same artistic direction, the same taste: we end up with nothing but Starbucks manga or McDonald’s manga.
>Japanese manga has lost sight of the idea of creating stories with an individual artistic identity. And I think that at Shueisha, if there are magazine editors who see the data but ignore it, and disobey the editorial direction that people like me set in the past, then the situation becomes very risky.

Torishima is basically taking a sharp jab at the industrial, algorithm-driven homogenization of manga, and the failure to cater to kids: the audience that shonen was originally made for. By the way, that book Torishima is holding is the same book where he throws he jabs at Demon Slayer and by proxy, nu-Jump. You can buy it on Amazon. It's very insightful.

https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/479687447X

>>281494948
>Pic
AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>281494956
And the character design. The MC is too ugly.
And I don't know how it was even passed by editors to have the poster of the MC groping the FeMC. What a retarded Idea and I'm a coomer.

>>281494946
>If there are a Hashira, a rookie, and an Upper Moon, the weakest one is the first to die.
He's obviously talking about Exodia and Dustman here right? That fight will go down in history

For me? Its Tsunade/Rangiku/Unohana/Hinata

>>281494855
Toto? Won

>>281494855
I've seen Chihiro bean plushies wearing Tepig like a skin suit, wish I saved one of the pics.

>Question 3: Everything you just said, is it about the manga world in general (including adult manga), or specifically about manga for children/teenagers?

>Torishima: What I’m saying concerns manga for all audiences, but I’m particularly thinking about manga aimed at children, because right now there’s a real problem: kids no longer read manga. Editors today claim that children can no longer follow stories broken down into panels. And I tell them: it’s not that, the paneling in your manga just isn’t good, and it’s hard to follow.
>For example, Toriyama’s manga had incredibly clear visual flow. If you take One Piece, elementary school kids should be able to read it because of how it’s broken down into panels.

>It’s not the mangakas’ fault, it’s the tanto (editorial supervisors), who don’t have strong enough technical knowledge about manga readability. One of the causes is that publishers hire people who have only ever read manga.
>If you don’t recruit people with diverse tastes, like in cinema or literature, you end up with editors whose worldview keeps shrinking as time goes on.

>For example: if you only watch TV news, you won’t know about zooms and wide shots. But if you study real cinema, you’ll have access to a whole range of camera techniques.
>Osamu Tezuka, for instance, was passionate about cinema, he knew how to use angles and would often show his characters from above. That’s why I think today’s mangaka are technically weaker than Osamu Tezuka.

>>281494871
>KGB just turns into Ninja Gaiden

>>281495013 (Me)
Found one.

>>281495022
This is why Kagurabachi is kino.

>>281494953
Compared to Oda and Kubo I never felt Kishi shills as much.

>>281494953
>Togashi recommended it. Then more and more legendary authors tarted recommending it
A hack who will never finish his manga in his lifetime, YYH and HxH are BOTH incomplete (Togashi). Another hack who got famous off of a porn game and his writing is SO bad it made Ian McKellen aka Gandalf cringe (Nasu). One more hack who spent 40 years of his career writing the same unfunny jokes and actually has a tranny in his manga lusting after the midget MC's cock (Akimoto). Some samuraislop (whoever made Shigurui or whatever). And a shotacon (Tsukushi).

Torishima is more renowned than any of these one-trick pony hacks will ever be, by sheer virtue of creating Dragon Ball. It was literally the best thing that could've ever happened to Jump. Their sales upped by 15% and when it ended, Jump's readership dropped from 6.5 million yearly to just 4 in 2 years and another 2 million drop after 1997.

Demon Slayer could never improve Jump's circulation, not even a tiny bit, because the overwhelming majority of people bought Demon Slayer in volumes but did not read Jump. Actually, numbers dropped again in 2020 from 1.6 million to 1.5 million. Even today, Jump still suffers the aftermath of Dragon Ball ending.

>>281495097
>because the overwhelming majority of people bought Demon Slayer in volumes but did not read Jump
Damn it was so good it literally had people that didn't give a fuck about shounen reading it to the end? What a BEAST of a series

The best plushies are for CSM unironically

Jeremy: Powered by ChatGPT

>>281494871
>>281495074
God I want a good KGB action game so bad.

>Question 4: To go along with what you’re saying: Takehiko Inoue, in the film Slam Dunk The First, explained the difference he had to deal with in staging between cinema and manga. He said he had to "relearn" his manga and rearrange the panels. Is that what you’re talking about?

>Torishima: I can just tell you that I was bored watching that movie. The best moments were not the best moments he had drawn. He pushed the main characters from the manga aside. I saw that film as something made for original Slam Dunk fans, but it was absolutely not constructed to create new fans of the series, and that really frustrated me.

>>281495134
Spic: Powered by Taco

>Question 5: Mr. Torishima, we recently discovered the manga The Poe Clan and Kaze to Ki no Uta. You said those were the first manga you found interesting. Could you tell us what you found intriguing about those titles?

>Torishima: I had never read manga in my life, and when I joined Shueisha, they told me to look at old issues of Shonen Jump. I read tons of them and they were all terrible. My superior asked me to rank the manga from 1 to 10 and give my comments, then to read the readers’ weekly survey results. And that was a shock. The readers’ rankings were the complete opposite of mine. I seriously considered quitting the company and looking at job offers elsewhere.
>Next to the Shueisha building, there was an archive building, and since I was bored in the editorial office, I would go there to take naps. I realized that since it was an archive, it was full of manga, so I decided to read everything. The first manga I found interesting was a shojo. I don’t know if you know this, but there’s a group called the “Year 24 Group” (i.e., mangaka who began their careers around 1969), and that year saw the emergence of a new tone in manga, often more adult and subversive.

>Keiko Takemiya (Kaze to Ki no Uta), who came up during that time. There were works by Keiko Takemiya and others that tackled themes never seen in manga back then, like the feeling of romantic love between children, etc. I was very impressed to see these deeply humanistic themes. This was over 50 years ago, and it was truly surprising back then. The problem is that in Shonen Jump, even now, there are manga that feel horribly outdated.
>But thanks to that experience of reading through the archives, I discovered that interesting manga existed, and most importantly, that some creators had the tools to make them. And it was while searching for someone capable of making truly interesting manga that I met Akira Toriyama. These are the authors who gave me the clues on how to make manga evolve.

>>281494886
Guess KnY is cancelled guys. No more movies. Everything Kimetsu did is now null and void.

>Question 6: Akira Toriyama is credited as the writer of Dragon Ball Super. Has his passing changed the way you approach creating manga, and if so, in what way?

>Toyotaro: You should know that we had two working methods:
>In one approach, I would write the story for Dragon Ball Super, then send it to Toriyama, who would review it and let me know if it was OK or not.
>And in the opposite case, sometimes Toriyama would write the story, then send it to me. I would check if I could integrate it, then I would send back my interpretation, and finally, he would respond with whether it was OK or not.
>As you can see, a good portion of the story already came from me. So I don’t think it’s impossible for me to continue the story. But I also don’t think it will be something simple or easy.

>Question 6: Akira Toriyama is credited as the writer of Dragon Ball Super. Has his passing changed the way you approach creating manga, and if so, in what way?

>Toyotaro: You should know that we had two working methods: in one approach, I would write the story for Dragon Ball Super, then send it to Toriyama, who would review it and let me know if it was OK or not. And in the opposite case, sometimes Toriyama would write the story, then send it to me. I would check if I could integrate it, then I would send back my interpretation, and finally, he would respond with whether it was OK or not. As you can see, a good portion of the story already came from me. So I don’t think it’s impossible for me to continue the story. But I also don’t think it will be something simple or easy.

On the topic of western cultural relevance it's funny how hard JJK cucked MHA out of the "strongest" archetype. All Might was meant to be the Superman stand in but Gojo completely usurped his place. And unlike the westaboo Hori, Gege probably didn't even know about Superman vs. Doomsday, and yet he somehow recaptured the entire appeal of that fight in Gojo vs. Sukuna. Also doesn't help that the actual Superman got a movie while Cuckademia is floundering as well.

>Question 7: Mr. Nakatsuru, you became character designer for Dragon Ball Z by succeeding Minoru Maeda during the Majin Buu arc. Did that challenge cause you any difficulties at the time?

>Nakatsuru: My first impression was wondering whether I could live up to expectations. But well, before doing the Majin Buu arc, I had already created some guest characters in a few episodes, so I had already worked a bit as Minoru Maeda’s assistant, and I understood the workload. It’s just that it wasn’t easy taking on that level of responsibility. It wasn’t simple, but it had a challenge to it and when the opportunity came, I couldn’t refuse.

>Torishima: It’s worth remembering that Nakatsuru had already worked on Toriyama’s projects since Dr. Slump. He was someone very skilled, but an animator is someone who has to pick up another person’s drawing style and adapt it to animation. From my editorial point of view, Maeda’s reproduction rate of Toriyama’s style was 80%. It was very good, but something was missing.
>By contrast, Nakatsuru’s reproduction rate is 95%. There are even scenes where people say: “Wait, wasn’t this drawn by Toriyama himself?” It’s even happened that Akira Toriyama saw some of Nakatsuru’s drawings and said, “But I never drew that!” So the only animator that Toriyama ever truly recognized was Nakatsuru.
>Nakatsuru: Thank you. I’m really honored by that comment. But I should say that during the Majin Buu arc, we had a whole army of animators who were already veterans in Toriyama’s world.

>>281495193
He can save jump

>>281493873
Temporary Occupation Certificates

None of this spam refutes Kimetsu's success.

>>281495339
It does though. I'm in Japan and showed this thread to a bunch of locals and they started burning their volumes immediately

>>281495339
Thanks to the anime and NOT from the manga's own merits, like Torishima and Nakano said. The manga was nothing more but a bunch of badly drawn storyboards while the anime breathed life into that boring manga and transformed it. The manga is the draft, the anime is the final product. That's why the hack author took the money, fucked off and hasn't made a manga, not even a one-shot for half a decade.

What was the last battle shonen to have a good/acceptable ending?

>>281495389
Kimetsu post-volume release

>Torishima: The Dragon Ball manga had a very strong momentum, and the animation team was just as powerful, already used to Toriyama’s style, so when reading the manga, they could reproduce it perfectly. That gives the impression that every animated frame was hard to do, but that’s only because of the huge team effort led by Mr. Nakatsuru that we got the result we all know.
>We don’t talk enough about the animation team even in Bandai Namco’s video games, those games faithfully reproduce Akira Toriyama’s work, and that love for his style creates a kind of beautiful trinity between the games that come out.

Basically, the reason why Dragon Ball gets good games while other anime/manga don't.

>>281495389
Kagurabachi
>but
Kagurabachi

>Question 8: Mr. Toyotaro, with Dragon Ball Super, how do you view Dragon Ball GT? Are there any elements from DBGT that inspire you or that you’d want to officially integrate?

>Torishima: I didn’t participate in Dragon Ball GT, so I can’t really give my opinion. DBGT happened right after Dragon Ball ended. But there were a lot of stakeholders involved: TV networks, Bandai Namco, various other partner companies and we had reached a point where, if Dragon Ball didn’t continue just a bit longer, we’d have had economic problems.
>The simplest thing would have been to ask Akira Toriyama to continue the manga, but he had just finished it. There was no chance he would agree to keep going. The only thing we could ask of him was to create the characters and give us a basic plot. After that, DBGT happened because a team was basically told: “Here, deal with this yourselves.”

>Toyotaro: Story-wise, DBGT takes place beyond what’s happening in Dragon Ball Super. I think there aren’t many GT elements that made it into Super, but you do see some in Dragon Ball DAIMA. I don’t think any of my ideas for Dragon Ball Super were really influenced by GT.
>That said, some visual elements from GT did get reused in DBS. Visually speaking, DBGT was also the work of Nakatsuru and his team, and it really had that strong fidelity to Toriyama’s graphic style, which inspired me.

Basically, why Dragon Ball GT was made in the first place and why Dragon Ball has all these spin-off series. If it ends, Japan's economy would be in big trouble.

>Question 9: What role do new technologies (CGI, AI, etc.) play in the current and future production of Dragon Ball series and manga?

>Torishima: I don’t know much about AI, but I’ll tell you what I think. If we talk about the use of screen tones in manga: computers made it much easier to use tones, and that’s affected how manga are made. As a result, more and more authors fill their pages with increasingly complex and detailed tones. The result? You get pages that look polished and perfect... but all the pages from every author start to look the same.
>Toriyama, on the other hand, didn’t have money. He lived in a small town, couldn’t afford tones, so he just made do without. He designed his visuals so that no tones were needed. That’s how he created manga that were visually simple and easy to read.
>I'm not saying new technology is bad. The problem is when people don’t use their heads to think about how to apply it, then you become a tool used by the tool.
>For me, what matters most in manga is the character. It's crucial to focus on character expression. And even if AI can replicate a character, there are limits to what it can express. For example, AI might replicate a Ghibli-style character, but it can’t draw the eyes the way Miyazaki does.

>Toyotaro: Coming back to Dragon Ball Super: SUPER HERO, Toriyama’s characters were designed in such a way that they could be seen clearly from any angle. So I think adapting them in CGI worked well: SUPER HERO was a very solid experience in animation.
>That said, I don’t think we should fully commit to that path. We need to diversify our production methods. The issue with CGI is that it might make Toriyama-sensei’s linework too stiff, even though his art style is very flexible. Another concern is that when everything is generated digitally, the backgrounds might become too detailed, which could end up clashing with Toriyama’s simpler art style.

All of that wasted youth spent on nothing but seething about a random comic book made in japan
grim

This fucking moron still believes Dragon Ball Super is single handedly carrying the Japanese economy

>>281495376
225m

>>281495484
250m soon

>>281493794 (OP)
>Still relying on a manga that ended five years ago.
Cringe.
When did Shueisha get this pathetic?
It’s the clearest proof that in these five years they haven’t managed to produce a single brand-new mega-hit.
For example, five years after Dragon Ball ended(around 2000), Jump had already moved on to a new era with One Piece, Hikaru no Go, Hujter x Hunter and Rurouni Kenshin, and they didn’t have to lean on old legacies like this.
What’s their plan once the KnY and JJK anime wrap up?
That future isn’t even that far away.

>>281495484
>>281495514
Subtract 100M for all the burnt volumes

Nah, I just don't have low fucking standards unlike you mutts. If I see some poorly drawn slop sell 200M+, I'd look at it myself to see what is the reason it sells as well as it does. Clearly, it's not the art. It's so fucking ass the author is literally not built to draw a battle manga. And whoever was the Demon Slayer hack's editor should get fired for not doing their job and actually telling them, "Your fights are bad. And they read like a PowerPoint presentation. Cut the dialogue and redraw your fights again." The hack can't even draw in fucking 3D which you can learn from artbooks. The writing itself is shitty. But the art is atrocious.
>>281495484
Thanks to the anime, which Nakano actually details.

>>281495572
100M Sellers are extremely rare in the first place
200M are even moreso
The best shueisha can hope for is 50-70m sellers
KnY is an extreme anomaly, JJK is also an anomaly.
KGB might be the next 100m seller though

>>281495574
>subtract 100M from its current number and it's still ahead of MHA
...

>>281495594
So whats with the 7 year seethe?

>Torishima: To sum up Toyotaro’s point: it’s like trying to make Gekiga with a ruler. Toriyama drew very freely by hand, there was always lightness and fluidity in his linework. I don’t think CGI is made for his style.
>(Editor’s Note): Gekiga is a manga style from the 1950s-60s: more realistic, expressive, and emotional. Using a cold, rigid tool like a ruler for something like Gekiga is contradictory. Torishima once said: “You want to create something alive and expressive, but you approach it like a technician, not like an artist.”

>Nakatsuru: While working on Dragon Ball DAIMA, I realized that traditional animation is very labor-intensive: it takes a lot of time to produce. So if we can find the right way to use it, I believe CGI and even AI, can help us work faster, and develop more polished animations that could appeal to a broader audience. That’s my hope.
>Like Torishima said, the key is thinking how to use the tool well, so you’re not enslaved by it.

>Toyotaro: I already tried asking ChatGPT for story ideas, but it was a waste of time. (laughs)
>(Editor’s Note): That was obviously a joke from Toyotaro. Please don’t twist his words on social media.

>>281495600
Yep, Japan only 100m sellers are rare
MHA is only at 60m if you count JP only
Even Bleach ended at 90M JP.
>>281495594
The anime marketed it and people liked it so much they bought the manga in mass. Mob psycho has better animation than DS and didn't sell as much. No manga sells purely because of animation. and no manga ever sold as much as kny in the first place.

>>281495594
>Manga has animation

I think this dude is both retarded and mentally ill. He's also autistic because he cannot for the life of him figure out people have different tastes and opinions.

>the animation was so good that people started reading the manga and hallucinating animation into the still images to carry them through the story that they actually didn't like
What is Ufotable in this guy's mind? A team of real-life sorcerers?

>>281495658
>MHA is only at 60m if you count JP only
It sold that little? Or rather, it's carried by the west that hard?

>>281495658
No other series with equally ass manga source material has recreated the exact fucking circumstances the way Demon Slayer did either.
>Backed by Aniplex (Sony)
>Animated by Ufotable (one of Sony's go-to contractors)
>Shilled by Sony Music Japan across every vertical media outlet from radio to FamilyMart
>Rode the Covid lockdown when everyone was stuck at home binging content and traumatized
You make it seem like the manga and the anime are the same thing simply because they share the same ideas and story. You forger that in art, in manga, what matters is the execution and presentation which Ufotable did very good where the manga didn't. That's why the manga underperformed for 3 years and is why OPM by Murata was more successful than OPM by One.

>>281493864
>Tafuku don't keep me waiting, let's go!

>>281495785
>Aniplex
many aniplex anime flop. They have the biggest flops in anime history
>Ufotable
God Eater flopped
>Shilled
marketed, marketing does not =/= Success. Otherwise Samurai 8 would be the next naruto when it had posters everywhere in japan and in every kny,op,jjk,csm etc volume
>Covid lockdown
KnY was selling millions per volume before covid was a thing.

I don't know why its hard for you to believe Kimetsu was just well liked by other people that it snowballed. It's really that simple. If it was a trashy manga it would have never sold. let alone sell millions per volume.

>>281495572
>its been 5 years since KnY ended.
Damn, I feel its like last month.

>>281495424
Kagurabachi ended in chapter 80

>>281495715
No, dickhead. I criticize Demon Slayer because fans glaze it and try to make it seem like it's deeper than it actually is.

I dislike JJK, but at least the fans never pretended like their favorite series is anything more but an action series with characters giving cool one-liners, aura farming and beating the shit out of each other. No one tries to make JJK more than what it is, so JJK doesn't get criticized as much by me.

The more something is praised, the more it is subject to scrutiny.

>>281495638
Kek

>>281495878
JJK and KnY are both far deeper than you or 90% of the people on this board give them credit for. You also haven't actually read JJK so it's probably easy for you to discard it out of hand from the conversation, but make no mistake: it is intellectually beyond you. Not because it's a particularly smart series, but because you are a fucking dumbass

>>281495878
>translation: people like something me no like! Nooooo Torishima save me!!

>Question 10: In 2020, during an interview with Hiroshi Matsuyama, you said there was “nothing to learn from Dragon Ball.” That statement sparked a lot of conversation, could you explain what you meant?

>Torishima: That phrase sparked a lot of talk? How so?
>(Interviewer): People think, on the contrary, that there are values to take from it like kindness, courage, etc.
>Torishima: Toriyama and I both love Tom and Jerry, the American cartoon. It’s very simple: the cat chases the mouse, that’s it. That’s the whole story. You watch it, you laugh, but in the end, you don’t retain anything, you don’t learn anything. In animation, the core principle is “characters + movement.” In a manga, it’s the same: you read it, it’s fun. But in the end, nothing sticks.
>Earlier, I explained that with Toriyama, we were searching for what made something interesting, and eventually we found our answer: “You have to read for fun, and in the end, retain nothing.”

>>281495785
That’s straight up revisionism.
KnY had no media push before in 2019.
When S1 dropped, the media was dead silent.
It blew up on social media in summer 2019, sales shot up, and by the time COVID started it was already at ~50M copies sold.
Bookstores couldn’t even keep it stocked while Samurai 8 (Kishimoto’s “legendary flop” Shueisha kept shilling) was rotting on the shelves.
The big media only jumped on the bandwagon after all that.

Wonder if Oda will do another manga after OP and it gets shilled and flops harder than Sam8
And kubo then joins in
It'd be a funny wsj meme to call them the flop 3

>>281496092
Kubo is smart, Oda knows if he ends op and comes up with another series, he will face a worse fate than kishimoto

Whenever authors induldge on their desires they flop
first it was toriyama with sandland, then kishi with sam8 the scifi bullshit

>>281496163
Gege turned JJK into Fortnite for like 40% of the manga and it still sold well

>>281496180
Its different when you do it to established IP. The hooked audience swallows it
Naruto was so good there's a big part who swallows dogshit (boruto)
If boruto was not connected to the naruto ip it'd be u19'd

>>281495839
>Aniplex
Doesn't disprove my point, it proves it. The difference is how much corporate oxygen they pump into a project. Aniplex can fund some random shit like Erased or God Eater and let it sink, but with Demon Slayer they went nuclear: blanket ad campaigns, tie-ins with every Sony-owned platform, endless music promotion, cross-branding, FamilyMart collabs, even flooding streaming services to death. Aniplex is Sony's cash cow branch. They can push a title to the fucking moon if they feel like it. Demon Slayer was not treated like a mid-tier title.
>God Eater
A video game adaptation, and besides Persona 4 (and a rare few), none of them has succeeded. And they still made Fate/Stay Night around the same time at the same time. Comparing God Eater to Demon Slayer is like comparing Michael Bay's Transformers to Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings and saying shit like, "same studio, why didn't both win Oscars?"
>Samurai 8
Samurai 8 had posters. Demon Slayer had Sony Music, Sony Pictures, Sony-owned streaming platforms, Sony-backed retailers, Sony-anime conventions, Sony-music artists singing OP/EDs. Not the same fucking thing. Samurai 8 was Kishi's vanity project, given a PR push and left to die. Demon Slayer had multi-platform saturation marketing + a killer anime adaptation to back it. That's why it worked. Marketing alone doesn't guarantee success, but marketing + presentation + execution + timing does.
>KnY was selling millions per volume before covid was a thing.
Right, because the anime already detonated it in 2019. Covid didn't start the boom, it multiplied it. People were trapped at home binge-watching anime and catching up on manga they skipped. Demon Slayer was already trending, Covid just made it inescapable. Saying KnY was big before Covid is like saying a fire was already burning before we dumped gasoline on it. No shit, that's why it exploded.
>If it was a trashy manga it would have never sold.
Tons of trash sells.

>>281496222
I'm not going to reply to all this cope when you aren't going to change your mind about kimetsu anyway.

For your sake you can leave at "Tons of trash sells." and move on with your life. I think a lot of popular stuff are trash too but I don't obsess over them.
Stop being obsessed over nothing.

>>281495923
Oldest trick in the pseudo-intellectual handbook. Newsflash, dickweed. If your series requires a PhD in bullshit interpretation to seem deep, then it's not actually deep. It's just mediocre writing with fans desperately reaching for meaning.

You think Demon Slayer is some profound character study when it's literally the same sob-story flashback repeated for every villain. You think JJK is galaxy-brained philosophy when it's just curse magic, edgy speeches, and battles that boil down to "my Domain Expansion has more hacks than yours" like they were two Jews trying to out-Jew each other with contract clauses.
>UHM ackshually my Ching Chong Beam Mugen 5000 has a 1.556x multiplier against his Ping Pong Shama Lama Ding Dong x50 kick and its also of illusion type during a rainy day meaning it has an ulterior 5% chance to negate its...
Shut the hell up. I don't need to eat an entire dumpster to know it smells like shit. I've seen enough JJK to know it's solid as a flashy brawler, nothing more. The difference is its fans admit it's just style and spectacle, they're not writing fan dissertations about how Gojo'a blindfold is a metaphor for Plato's Cave. That's the disease of the Demon Slayer faggots: you can't just enjoy your popcorn, you've got to pretend it's gourmet steak.

Anyway, anyonw who thinks Demon Slayer or JJK are 'far deeperbthan anyone realizes', only proves my point. You don't just like these series, you need them to be 'intellectually beyond' other people, because otherwise you'd have to admit you're obsessed with average-ass writing dressed up with good animation.

When is Kumagawa Gaiden coming out?

>>281495074
>The sword are actually harnessed from Demons
I actually wonder how much more "magical" KGB is going to get considering how the Sword Saint is,

>>281494886
Is there even a source for Torishima calling KnY trash?
Like, an actual screenshot of the interview, or at least a copy-paste of the original text?
I tried looking into this so-called “Torishima statement,” but I couldn’t find a single source even on Japanese sites.

7 years btw

>>281496452
Magic creatures definitely exist(ed) based on the rakuzaichi

>>281496452
Maybe we'll go the "Human non-believing world is separate form the magic world" route.

>>281496420
This anon is seething that not every manga in existence is Dragon ball slop version 99999 and instead they're different and cater to different people

>Torishima: Character creation is actually a very simple thing. Even a child can do it. Around the world, there are lots of manga with complicated themes but not very simple ideas. They don’t make you want to read them.
>Another example: I once spoke with someone from a publishing house in Germany. He told me that Attack on Titan made a lot of noise, but in the end, the paper manga didn’t sell well. The thing is, once the anime ended, the manga no longer sold. But if you look at Dragon Ball and Naruto, they keep selling even after the anime ended. So what’s the difference?

>The difference is that in Dragon Ball or Naruto, you get a shonen style where the reader sees the story through the character’s eyes and discovers the world with them. It’s not the plot that matters, it’s the idea that the reader is swept away by the character.
>Thanks to this simple character-driven construction, you can appeal to both kids and adults. “You drink Coke or Fanta because it tastes good, but when you’re really thirsty, you drink water.”

>>281496466
The only source available is from that twittertard

Take your circlejerk elsewhere,

>>281496263
>I won’t reply because I can’t provide a concrete rebuttal.

KWAB

>Question 11: You started by creating fan-manga before becoming the official mangaka of Dragon Ball Super. What advice would you give to someone who wants to make their own manga?

>Toyotaro: I don’t think I have the right to brag about it, but I was a big fan of Toriyama’s works, and I kind of appropriated them without permission to tell my own stories using Dragon Ball, but with my own perspective and original drawings.
>I didn’t become a mangaka in order to draw Dragon Ball; I became a mangaka because I wanted to draw Dragon Ball. So I don’t think I’m in a position to give lessons to someone who wants to become a mangaka.
>But if someone really wants to draw Dragon Ball, it might be interesting to take the same approach: create your own version, then present it to Shueisha and see what happens.

>Torishima: When young people ask me at conventions how to become a mangaka, I always tell them they need to respect three things:
>Study Japanese and literature seriously. You need to master words so you can use them well in the dialogue inside speech bubbles. A story is built around that kind of dialogue. You need to have a sense of style in writing dialogue and the vocabulary to do it well. As I said earlier, I find the literary level of most current manga quite weak.
>Make lots of friends. Humans are connected to each other, they know and affect one another. Drawing a manga is about drawing the world.
>Show resilience. When a mangaka is staring at a blank page, they have to create a whole universe, and that’s a task that takes massive energy.
>If you manage to bring those three things together, the path to becoming a mangaka becomes accessible.

>>281496564
No because every point you said is literally cope, and you will keep coping and deflecting.
I don't understand how you can seethe this fucking much over a popular IP?
Personally, I like kimetsu. but my favorites are Dorohedoro and Golden kamuy. Which are 20k and 200k sellers respectively and they're better than all the best sellers (including dragon ball) and no matter how much sales those best sellers sell, they will never be as good nor will i read/watch some of them.

>>281496466
No.
Because that Torishima quote was just his words intentionally warped to push the hater's ideology.

Kimetsu won. I just dont know what else to tell you.

>>281496636
Ufotable won, you mean. So did Aniplex and Shueisha. They really bailed that ass manga, had it not been for them, then KnY would have ended, it would've been buried among other mid-tier Jumpshit manga and you wouldn't dickride it.

>Nakatsuru: When I met Torishima, he told me that if the opportunity ever came up, it might be interesting to make a manga. So I got the chance to do a sequel to Dr. Slump in V-Jump (under Toriyama's supervision). What I took away from that experience is this: the job of a mangaka is incredibly hard.

>Torishima: On one of our flights, we read a long article about Toriyama. Toriyama said to Nakatsuru: “You’re really good.” And Nakatsuru replied: “Why?”
>Because in the manga The Return of Dr. Slump, Nakatsuru used angles that Toriyama never used. Toriyama once said: “A mangaka always draws the angles he knows how to draw. Doing any other kind is pure torture.”
>Mangaka often draw characters seen from the front, rarely from the back. But in animation, the camera moves in all directions, so you frequently see the character from behind or from dynamic angles. Nakatsuru is capable of drawing all sorts of angles that Toriyama avoided.
>If you look at a manga by Nakatsuru, there are far more camera-like angles than in Toriyama’s. And that’s where you really see the difference between an animator and a mangaka.

>>281496672
*sigh* Look this is going to be hard to say but Kimetsu no Yaiba? It won.

>>281496594
>>281496710
Are these coming from ChatGPT?

>>281496222
The KnY boom was already blazing like gasoline had been poured on it before COVID even hit.
By spring 2020, when the pandemic reached Japan, the manga had already sold around 50 million copies.
The popularity of KnY in late 2019 to early 2020 wasn’t just “already popular” — it had already turned into a full-blown social phenomenon.

>>281496721
More like Aniplex and Shueisha won. Aniplex are the ones who actually makes money from the anime, something the Demon Slayer hack doesn't do. They even know they got their ass carried by Ufotable. Shueisha also won, since they own the IP and only got a measly $10K. Oda is a Jew for milking out One Piece, but he's a smarter Jew than the Demon Slayer hack who hiked up her hemline, sucksd lots of cock and still got played with by corporate goons. Which is why Oda is worth of around $200M. Took him decades of Jewing out One Piece, but I still respect him more.

>>281495292
Despite of being really strong, All Might was running on fumes.

>>281495013
I wonder if the boost is significant for Tepig

>>281496817
Do you want me to pummel you dragon slopper like i did that time?
Kneel to chad piece or i'll fuck you up
One Piece is better and more profitable than dragon shit. And its not milking if its the main story

>>281496420
>If your series requires a PhD in bullshit interpretation to seem deep
It doesn't, which is exactly why I said it isn't a PARTICULARLY smart series. People online (like yourself) simply think you're above them and the writers are just brainlessly playing with toys instead of trying to impart a message on the reader using mechanics of the setting.
You are the stereotypical model of a Reddit pseud down to name dropping (the most entry level of) philosophy writing where you go in with the mindset that you're above the work you're engaging with instead of trying to engage the author with the writing honestly.
You are the kind of knuckle-dragging smooth-brained circularly-logical intellectually-incurious retard who looks at JJK's fights under the lens that they are context-devoid excuses for the author to demonstrate mechanics and shit-talking, ignores all of the actual messaging and character coursing through the fights, and concludes that you are right from the start.
If I asked you to explain the depth of Sukuna's character as portrayed in Shinjuku Showdown right now you would do two things
1: Prompt ChatGPT,
2: Act like I'm asking for some Herculean feat of literary analysis because I'm hallucinating depth
Even though, to anyone that was reading the final arc in an honest way, this wouldn't be seen as a deep question at all.
Every single thing I'm saying applies to KnY as well except in an even greater fashion because while JJK can bury its emotions in the sheer amount of mechanics it throws around and does have some fights that could be considered filler (Culling Games) pretty much every chapter of KnY is Gotouge pouring her heart out to the reader trying to impart a message.
TL;DR: Fuck you

>>281496163
KGBbros...
Ruribros...

>>281496880
I don't know why you wrote all that anon when he clearly
>uses chatgpt
>can't read and understand a simple tweet
>can't do basic math
He's literally and unironically retarded. Not in the 4chan mocking way but medical way.

>>281496384
I thought it'd be something else...

>>281496970
Be what?

>>281496817
KnY won. Must be tragic to hear. Ill give you some time to grieve.

>>281496486
Unironically, manga would be A LOT better if they were all like Dragon Ball. They would actually be fun to read and have good fight choreography.

That's why I like Torishima. Someone has to remind thwse hacks they're not writing the next big epic, they're literally writing children's comic and children don't want to sit down and be lectured, they want to be entertained.

SnK is pretentious garbage written by a shut-in, good-for-nothing bullied kid who wanted to vent out and realize his school shooting fantasies. JJK wants to act like it's smart but is really written by an author who isn't smart and Demon Slayer is a moralfaggotry lecture. I read manga to be entertained FIRST and FOREMOST. If I want to educate my mind on some obscure topic, I'd read Aristolte, Plato, Nietzsche, Kafka, Hume, Hobbes or some shit. If I wanted a spiritual epiphany, I'd read the Odyssey, Ramayana, Mahabharata, Dao De Jing or The Alchemist. I'm NOT reading manga to listen to some Japanese shut-in give me their moral lectures. Death to every manchild and unironic weeb who unironically think their children's comic made for prepubescent kids are deep.

>>281493873
fuck off.

>>281496672
KnY got picked up by an Aniplex producer from chapter 1, that’s why it got the Ufotable anime.
That’s legit merit.
You make it sound like any trash manga can blow up with good animation + shilling.
If it was that easy, where are the other KnY-level hits? Outside JJK, Jump’s been starving for big titles.
If Shueisha could just mass-produce blockbusters with money and promo, why don’t they?

>>281496472
>Those monster skeletons in Kyora's storehouse
>Hiyuki and Kazane's sorcery
Yokaichads....we still have a chance...

>>281497001
Aniplex won, yes. So did Shueisha. They own the IP and make money from the anime, something the Demon Slayer hack doesn't. Sucked a lot of cock and still got played with like a side bitch.

>>281496936
I despise it when people act like they're above the stuff that they read on some extremely deep/intellectual way just because they disliked the aesthetic of the writing
That describes a lot of people on /a/, not just this dumbass (though he may well be the most mentally ill of them all)

>>281496981
I honestly thought it'd be a post from the scatfag.

>>281497047
But you said so yourself it won.

>>281497057
Xhe uses webm because they don't autoplay

>>281497017
No it would be garbage. Manga is a medium and it needs different stories. Movies aren't all capeshit action movie slop.
Snk is an amazing manga and far better than dragon ball
I like something with substance. If you don't then keep enjoying the DBS slop
>Death to every manchild and unironic weeb who unironically think their children's comic made for prepubescent kids are deep.
You're a man in your 20/30's spending most of your days shilling dragon ball and hating on a children comic. If anyone is a waste of oxygen its you here.

>>281495768
That number is pretty outdated but...... In what world makes you think selling 60M on 42 volume is "Little"? I'm not a avid fan but how high are you to say shit like that? Care to give a name so I can try that too?

>>281497017
> If I want to educate my mind on some obscure topic, I'd read Aristolte, Plato, Nietzsche, Kafka, Hume, Hobbes or some shit. If I wanted a spiritual epiphany, I'd read the Odyssey, Ramayana, Mahabharata, Dao De Jing or The Alchemist.
Imagine posting this with no irony

>>281497017
So where’s the actual source for this “Torishima said KnY sucks” interview?
Got a screenshot? Or at least the original text copy-pasted?

>>281497108
He 100% doesn't know anything about them other than their names. Probably Chatgpt'd too

...I think I miss Hori

>>281497017
>educate
>Nietzsche

One Piece continuing its grand story = milking
Dragon Super = great and a masterpiece

Glad to see dragon garbage is forgotten nowadays

>>281495600
>series that's already dropping
>next big thing though!

>>281497113
What's funny is the quote on the tweet doesn't even say it sucks. It basically says its a coffee bean, being brought out by the anime. Ie its a diamond that needed anime to showcase its full potential

>>281497113
Nope.
Because he never said that, and if he did say something even remotely close, it was in a totally different context.

Watch her anime.

>>281496880
That's a lot of words to say absolutely fucking nothing. You basically admitted the series isn't particularly smart, then turned around and said it'a deep anyway if only I’d 'engage honestly.' Which isn't an argument, that's just a cope with a side of projection.

If Demon Slayer and JJK are truly 'deep,' they wouldn’t need fanboy essays to convince people. Depth is self-evident. People didn't need SparkNotes to understand Berserk's trauma themes or Monster's moral ambiguity. If your big defense is 'you're not engaging it honestly!!' then what you're really saying is 'I need you to suspend criticism and just swallow it whole!' Nah, nigga. I'm good.

You’re accusing me of being a Reddit pseud for mentioning philosophy while you're the one frothing at the mouth writing a fan thesis about Sukuna like he's a case study in Nietzschean will. He's not. He's jist an overpowered edgelord with a smirk fetish. Fun to read? Sure. Profound? Fuck no.

As for Gotouge 'pouring her heart out' every chapter, cry me a fucking river, loser. Pouring your heart out doesn't equal good writing. Every villain getting the exact same sob story isn’t depth, it’s a template. I bet you probably think Hallmark cards are philosophy.

I'd be 100 with you: if I did explain Sukuna's "depth" to you, you'd just move the goalpost and say 'well, you're missing the real subtext.' That’s the endless fanboy trap: you don't actually want honest analysis, you want worship. Not playing along.

>>281494252
Nah, you dickride his mid shit for the same reasons you state. Based haters, hate his fujo copypasted crap of a manga.

>>281497234
Where can I watch it?

>>281497173
>diamind
No, he meant what he said. The manga is nothing special and as a product, it isn't very good. The manga took those ideas like a draft, and transformed it into a completely different product that it might as well be Demon Slayer by Ufotable and not Demon Slayer by Koyoharu Gotouge.

>>281497285
>completely different product
in which way? Character designs? same, Dialogue? same, Story? same.
Your mental illness is getting worse

>>281497285
Source?

>>281497302
You FUCKING idiot. The anime is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PRODUCT FROM THE MANGA. It doesn't matter if they share the same fucking ideas, story and characters. In art, what matters is PRESENTATION and EXECUTI9N which Ufotable did a very good at where the manga didn't. Which is why the manga underperformed for 3 full years before the anime bailed it out.

>>281497317
From his book. See: >>281494961

>>281497338
so why did people buy the manga if its this bad and didn't continue with the anime which improved upon the manga?

>>281497285
OK, so where’s the source for Torishima’s actual words?
All I’ve seen online is the half-baked claim “Torishima said KnY was trash,” with no origin, no context, and basically zero credibility.

>>281497357
Where exactly is the part where he talks about KnY?

>Anime does its job and properly adapts the source material
>This is bailing it out

>>281497338
The reason it sold so much is because the original characters and story are solid.
The anime-original “Mugen Train prequel” episode Ufotable pulled out of nowhere, and the Hashira Training arc padded into 8 episodes full of filler, both got trashed by fans.
If it’s not Gotouge’s story, it won’t take off — and every time Ufotable’s tried to go against that, it’s flopped.

ichi lost
sales declined
toc gigashilled
vet hype exhausted
editors backpedaled
frauds exposed

>>281497686
No, dickhead. Simple luck and corporate push are the two single most important aspects to global success there are.
>Pet rocks
>Beanie babies
>Vanilla Ice
>Fidget spinners
>Every fad dance ever
>Every fad diet ever
The list can go on forever of things that had absolutely nothing going for them other than pure luck and a corporate push. Story and characters are never the sole factor of anything.

>>281497764
Holy shit! Did they really train that cat to dance!?

>>281497807
I want you to try telling all those yumes they dont actually love Rengoku.

>>281497085
Listen, shit for brains, I'm not saying every manga has to literally copy Dragon Ball panel for panel. I'm saying manga should remember its goddamn purpose: TO ENTERTAIN. Dragon Ball wasn't pretending to be a theology lecture, it was Toriyama drawing cool fights with a comedic flair, and he had a real editor (Torishima) making sure the fights were drawn clearly and fun to follow. That's why it has staying power decades later while your 'deep' manga turn into FOTM discourse and vanish. You say SnK is far better than DB? Then why is SnK already in the cultural graveyard just a few years after ending while Dragon Ball is still referenced globally? Because SnK was just Isayama venting and pretending it was profound, and once the ride ended, everyone hopped off. Dragon Ball entertained first, and that's why it’s eternal. Manga is a medium, but if the medium is children's comics, stop pretending it's the fucking Odyssey.

Good coffee beans are essential to make great coffee, Torishima is just an out of touch old fart

>>281497957
>beans

>>281497927
Children do like KnY, unlike one piece

>>281497108
You thought it's some kind of gotcha that I'd rather read actual philosophy when I want philosophy instead of pretending Gotouge or Gege are secretly Plato in disguise. That's iterally just having standards. When I want Aristotle, I'll read Aristotle. When I want a comic for kids, I'll read a comic for kids. You dickriders are the ones with brainworms because you can't accept that your kiddie comics are JUST kiddie comics. You NEED them to be elevated into literature so you can feel smart reading them. And thst's the exact disease I'm talking about. JJK and DS are perfectly fine if you take them for what they are, popcorn action series. But you tards can't stop acting like Sukuna is a Nietzschean figure or like every DS flashback is Kafkaesque tragedy.

You want a spiritual awakening from a comic that runs in Weekly Shounen Jump aka the McDonald's of manga. Jesus Christ. No wonder you're making fun of me for saying I'd just read the actual Odyssey because deep down you know I'm right. You don't want philosophy, you want your Saturday morning cartoon to feel like philosophy so you don't feel childish. Pathetic.

>>281497807
That’s a false equivalence.

KnY still selling over 200 million copies after its anime peak, still moves huge merch, and continues to dominate discussion years later. That’s not just luck, that’s a story with themes and characters people actually connected to.

If “luck and corporate push” were all it took, then explain Samurai 8. Same Jump platform, same Shueisha push, Kishimoto’s name on it, plenty of marketing… and it bombed so hard it was axed in under 5 volumes. Where was the “luck” there?

You don’t get that level of staying power from a gimmick. You get it from a solid foundation (story + characters), plus timing and push. Pretending otherwise is just cope.

>>281498025
gone too soon...

>>281497764
How did they do that

>>281497927
It’s not well known in the West, but by 1999 — just four years after the manga had ended — Dragon Ball was already in the cultural graveyard.
Even while SnK is still discussed within the otaku community today, Dragon Ball wasn’t even being talked about back then. Kids had quickly moved on to new content like Mini 4WD, Pokémon, Yu-Gi-Oh! cards, and Dragon Quest Monsters. Dragon Ball was completely dead and forgotten until a revival boom in 2003, when the PS2 game was released.

>>281498091
It's simple. Oda is mad that KNY is more successful among younger gens and asked Shuehsha's attack dog toriishima to slander KnY

>>281497017
Would the same apply to Berserk, Naruto, and Kinnikuman?

>>281497108
He's just fucking GPTing it now, don't even bother.

>>281497927
Snk is very entertaining what are you on about? It's not a lecture
Not everyone wants to see just fights. Drama and mystery are entertaining
>Then why is SnK already in the cultural graveyard
popular does not mean good. Dragon ball is dogshit yet popular. SNK is still very popular anyway.
You're so simple minded you think anything more than simple toy figures fighting eachother with new hair color is the odyssey lol

>>281497927
>>281498084
What’s wrong with this dude who pops up in every KnY/JJK/SnK thread just to shit on them and worship DB?
Judging by the writing style, it’s obviously the same guy every time.

>>281498243
Honestly, I doubt Torishima ever even trashed KnY.
Nobody’s ever posted the original source for that quote.

>>281498309
Truth is, DB was the one that hit the cultural graveyard right after it ended.
It stayed forgotten until the 2003 revival boom — but people conveniently ignore that.

>>281498410
https://www.db-z.com/english-version-interview-part-1-toyotaro-torishima-nakatsuru-at-japan-expo-2025/
There's a recent interview

WSJ EiC and their series

>>281498487
Thank you, but I can't find any mentions about KnY from this interview.

>>281498628
Nakano is a top 3 EIC contender going by this chart

>>281498366
It's a chat gpt chatbot

>>281496927
Shindo clearly hates ruri.
Why do you think he took 2 years hiatus?

>>281498410
I wonder what he thinks of Koike and Urasawa.

>>281498884
pregnancy

>>281498884
>not scaring of losing a potential giga hit and negotiate a god schedule
small iq anon

I rabu Iori

>>281496430
Why? Isn't his story over?

>>281498628
HeishiCHAD...I kneel...no wonder he was such a suave motherfucker in Bakuman

>>281498679
Who's Second and First?

I miss Hori

>>281498628
Nakano got a 1 million seller in JJK. That's way more than what Saito could accomplish

>>281500393
what series is this?

>>281498410
the "unroasted coffee beans" line (framed in a respectful way) was something he actually said 5 years ago to hype the Mugen Train movie when the manga had already blown the doors off sales. Basically a way to explain why people that knew the story ought to pay to go see a movie. And he later said he had gotten the line from Shueisha editorial and didn't like it because it framed manga in general as the lesser product. It is a 100% clear and obvious malicious mistranslation by that One Piece twitter tranny to pretend like it was something he just said in 2025 if nothing else.

Above anything else Torishima is a Hitotsubashi group retainer, he won't cross the line into slandering some billion dollar product of theirs even if he hates it with all his being.

>>281500523
逆のバチ

RIP >>281500801

Read Shinobigoto.

Katsutacle shit is so deranged lol, not a homo but I find it interesting.

>>281501023
Only time someone will ever draw explicitly lewd HakurixChihiro content.

[good news]: the nue's exorcist pop-up shop seems to be doing well with multiple items selling out on day 1

>>281501056
She (I suppose, no man would do this shit) definitely has some problems.

>>281501083
Pajeeta with issues.

BASED Katsu

how long has he been seething?

>>281501061
Nue? Unaxeable.

>>281501118
You know how little that narrows it down?

I am the worst schizo in these threads.

Holy shit this is so cursed

>>281501118
A month of getting shit wrong does that to you, but 6 years total.

How long has he been WINNING?

>>281501023
>>281501056
>>281501083
>>281501111
>>281501144
kys pedokatsu

>ESL KGBT cord woke up
I'm out.

>>281501179
literally

>>281501189
kys pedo

>>281501190
Kiss your sister? But of course! Tafuku won btw.

Kiss Your Significant?

Chihiro should marry Char.

KINO Piece
KINO×KINO
KINO Clover
Me & RoboKINO
SaKINOto Days
The Elusive Samurai
KINO Watch
BLEAK Box
AKINO-baNINO
RuriDRAGon
KINO Blue
Nue's ExorSHIT
KINObachi
Ultimate Exorcist KINOshi
Hima-Ten!
Ichi the WINNER
KINObi Undercover
BAD Prison
Otr of the LAME
Harukaze WOuNd
KaedegaMID
Ekiden BLOWS
PEAK-Pong Peril

shinobi anime will save jump

>Chihiro carrying Tardkuri
>Tafuku carrying Tardyuki

Chihiro will become Guts after Takeru comes back from El Salvador.

>>281495389
Claymore

>>281495839
>Samurai 8
What went wrong?

>>281501427
Taguchi

>>281498628
>himomaru sumo lasted five years and got an anime, nobody talks about it and authors next manga, MMA, got axed
Weird, at least Yuna is forgotten because of its ending

>>281501323
>not harem
>not enough fujobait
>action is still lackluster
>plot is kinda there

Not happening.

>>281501427
>scifi setting, and not just future earth
>blegh art style
>weird disability theme that is both recurring but also dismissed
>the first substantial arc is a fucking fortnite reference
>power system where otherwise useless chicks gave buffs to their samurai by cheering them on
>meh romance despite it being theoretically the emotional core of the series
>squid is hard to chew

Since we don't have many new series we're getting Gintama Cinematic universe.
What went wrong after 2019? Is it all COVID's fault?

>>281501427
Not being drawn by Kishimoto.

KINO Blue predicted the pacifier meta

>>281496858
>Tepig
I've seen nothing for basically any other jump series after the collab

nobody picks tepig as starter.

I hate ADHD generation, that is all.

>>281502005
was the best starter in gen 5 games, although all of them sucked overall in the main story

>>281501974
Next, nuerats will pit PPP vs KGB

>>281493857
It's not engaging

>>281493971
What did they do to the leaks to fuck up the image quality this much?

>>281502073
AI upscaling

>>281493971
What an atrocious TL job, dialogue in the wrong speech bubble, typos, bad translations, shitty image quality.
This is even worse than what I expected based on their work on JJK.

>>281501023
>t.pedo

I dont know what is interesting in depictions of characters raping each other, let adlong adults raping teens.

>>281502122
HE WAS ONLY 18 YEARS OLD YOU SICK FUCK

>>281502122
Things that don't happen in katsu art
>pedoshit
>adults raping teens

Things that do happen
>Tafuku fucking Hiyuki
>fat fetish art of basically every character
>poorly disguised self harm cope
>Hakuri being a gigachad

Avizie's cordies are working overtime.

>>281502331
proof?

>>281500618
>the "unroasted coffee beans" line (framed in a respectful way) was something he actually said 5 years ago to hype the Mugen Train movie
Wrong dickhead, and you're pulling all of this cope straight out of your ass to justify why not everyone are brown-nosing your favorite series. He called the Demon Slayer manga raw coffee beans and said the manga wasn't very good back in 2024 where the interview was conducted in his book that he published here in 2025.

Torishima can say whatever he wants and get away with if, because he's been in the industry far longer than pretty much everyone else currently working for Shueisha and he's arguably the most influential editor of all time. He's both feared and respected for his critical eye and being brutally honest to a fault. He even made similar comments about how the Saint Seiya manga wasn't very good, but the anime transformed it into a completely different product.

>>281501974
At least isn’t axed like blacked clover. Imagine being so dogshit they axed you in your last arc

>>281502491
bc still ongoing why are you lying, the only manga they axed is mha

>>281502459
Just post the photo or a screenshot of the book where he says that and prove the naysayers wrong.

I think they should transfer Kill Blue to J+ until anime airs.

>>281501974
Just continue Act-Age, bitch.

>>281494365
Based please someone post this as a reply to that retard every thread (only if you're there don't feel pressured)

>>281502539
Why do you want her to do it instead of the writer who did everything

>>281494350
Based
>>281494573
>t. black panther and naruto fan

>>281498201
>It’s not well known in the West, but by 1999 — just four years after the manga had ended — Dragon Ball was already in the cultural graveyard.
Wrong. Dragon Ball never lost its influence, there's a reason why when the manga ended, WSJ's sales numbers dropped fast. Dragon Ball was the best thing that could've happened to them and their sales upped by 15% and when it ended, readership dropped from 6.5 million yearly to just 4 in 2 years. Then by 1997, Jump suffered a two million drop to 1997.

The truth about Dragon Ball's "decline" is simply because GT wasn't made by Toriyama, who by that point was sick and tired of Dragon Ball. The franchise was dormant for 3 years at most, which you can hardly call. Super ended in 2018 and we didn't get new content since Broly until 2022 (Super Hero), and we didn't get a new series until 2024 (Daima). Dormancy cycles are normal for franchises like Dragon Ball, especially if it's self-sustaining. It was only gone for 3 years and Aaound August 2002, it started to get new content again with Legendary Super Warriors on the GBC. In December, they started releasing the kanzenban, in 2003 was Budokai (2002 for America and Europe), and they also announced the Dragon Boxes thus the series began its renaissance in Japan.

>>281495594
Mutt > black

>>281496019
>>281495839
You won.
Rip that bozo we smoking the Jeremy pack today

>>281502531
Jump+ isn't a dumping ground for failed manga from other magazines. It needs to be strong, strict, and high quality on it's own to inspire reader confidence to use it

>>281494573
Of course they cannot, because there's nothing to talk about KnY. Notice how the only thing KnYfags ever only talk about are the sales and not the artistic merits of it or the writing.

KnY is as wide as an ocean and deep as a puddle. The story is basic bitch shit that anyone, even a grade school child could come up with. It's "Kill the Demon King: The Series" and that’s what they do. It's a series with no worldbuilding, no plot twists, no intrigue, no nothing. It's the Taylor Swift of manga.

>>281496222
>Covid didn't start the boom, it multiplied it.
>It's not X, it's Y
LMFAO guys our favorite african seether jeremy is actually using chatgpt to make arguments since he's too gorilladumb to do it himself now

>>281502619
Bro is legit copying AI I can't :sob:
Don't waste your lives arguing like this bum take it from me this is my first time in WSJ threads in 2025 my life has been so much better since I left

>>281502516
No. You already got one native Japanese who translated Torishima's book that you can on his Twitter. And even if I did translate the book myself and posted a screenshot, you would just shift the goalpost and cry 'd-doesn't count!!'

What Torishima said about Demon Slayer is what pretty much everyone else has been saying for years. I'm even thinking what he said is something a lot of industry insiders has been thinking but they're not saying it out loud because of Japan's culture of being polite and keeping your thoughts to yourself. Torishima isn't like that, he's brutally honest to a fault.

>>281502673
>is something a lot of industry insiders has been thinking but they're not saying it out
Meanwhile, actual industry insiders can't stop praising the manga while you seethe.
#4 in the box office today btw, 30 million outside of japan by the the end of the weekend.

kdg status

>>281502761
Winning.

>>281502622
They can both exist you FUCKING retarded mutt, they're not mutually exclusive. The anime exalted the series and made an otherwise mediocre manga that underperformed for years a bestseller in 2019. And Covid its sales multiplied in 2020 because people were locked at home, so they had time to binge-watch anime and read manga which is why Nakano said:
>Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba despite having started in February 2016, did not became a major hit until late 2019, adding that its "success hinged on word of mouth generated after the anime's run".
>>281502704
Means nothing, because Japanese often use indirect language to maintain social harmony and avoid conflict. Especially with their co-workers. Torishima has more influence than any mangaka you mention who shills Demon Slayer ever has because:
>He discovered Toriyama
>He created Dragon Ball with Toriyama
>He was the one who told Toriyama to focus more on fights, introduce tournaments and add rivalries
>Had it not been for him, then Dragon Ball would have ended with Pilaf. No Dragon Ball means no HxH, no Naruto, no Bleach, no One Piece and no Demon Slayer
>Thanks to Dragon Ball (and NOT YYH or KochiKame lol), Jump had the highest readership it ever had
I'd take what he says because he has a lot of insightful takes. He doesn't just chew out on Demon Slayer's author, he also criticizes the editors for babying the author and not telling them, "Your fights are ass. Cut it off with the dialogue, they read like an audiobook. And your fights are badly drawn. Read Dragon Ball, buy some artbooks on how to draw in 3D and draw your manga again like THIS."

Considering the KnY talk, can someone explain to me why Otr tried to replicate that early rock cutting arc?
It didn't seem to work for some anons, why?

>>281502646
You post on 4chan, and you're literally dickriding a badly drawn, badly written manga. Shut the fuck up, underage. It's not your first time posting on /wsj/, you just want a dogpile and cry that I'm not giving it to you.

Demon Slayer is really just "who can gaslight who the hardest" which is why faggots and fat ugly women memed it so hard that it became a bestseller.

>>281502803
>doesn't deny the black allegations
It's so over for us jeremysisters :sob:

>>281502822
kny had set up a consistent relationship with the sister. do you even remember otr's sister? and also in kny cutting the rock was also a character arc for the teacher

>>281502673
>No. You already got one native Japanese who translated Torishima's book that you can on his Twitter. And even if I did translate the book myself and posted a screenshot, you would just shift the goalpost and cry 'd-doesn't count!!'
You can post the Japanese original and let people judge for themselves. Why are you passing on the chance to make your case stronger if you're certain it's true and it would cost you nothing to do that?

>>281502922
Why are you replying to a naruto fan and 'annyfucker

>>281502772
Nuebros...

>>281502507
>axed from jump to die irrelevant
>on going
Are you retarded bcuck?

>>281502922
>n-no it doesn't count unless I get the raw Japanese transcripts to validate Torishima's interview
I don't have to post SHIT for you, lmao. The interview is on Twitter, a native Japanese literally translated the juicy parts from Torishima's book. It's available on Amazon too. Even if I did translate the book for you with the Japanese transcripts you'd just say
>It doesn't count!!
As usual.

>>281502971
>I don't have to post SHIT for you, lmao.
Well I don't have to believe your twitter horseshit either.
>Even if I did translate the book for you
Why do you insist on that, I literally asked just to post the original source. Don't tell me you actually haven't read the original and believe a "native Japanese" on the internet

>>281502853
kekkkkk

>>281502853
>nigger
>worships Naruto a blonde blue eyed king
KEK! so this is who's been losing to kimetsu?

>>281500915
I'd rather vomit to KGB's fanart.

>>281503018
>Well I don't have to believe your twitter horseshit either.
I don't give a fuck about what you believe in, lmfao. The interview is available on Twitter, translated by a native Japanese straight out from Torishima's book. The only reason why you're even demanding Japanese transcripts is because you cope over the fact that not everyone holds Demon Slayer to the same (low) standards. Torishima sure doesn't, he even criticized the editors for not doing their job properly and tell the editor, "Your fights are badly drawn. Cut it out with the excessive dialogue and actually draw your fights like they are a fights."

>>281502853
he's been gargling tangerino cock for 7 years now. Honestly I feel bad for him.

>>281500318
We have Hori at home.

>>281502937
Does jeremy actually chase trannies? Did his own blackedposting brainwash himself as well? LMFAO what a failed cuck

>>281503108
anon, he's black. he just spams built and whatever on /v/ as cope for being an incel in his 40s.

>>281503116
that's miserably sad. i will pray for him (not)

>>281503108
>>281503116
>1 minute apart
Kek, why are you still samefagging bcuck? Remember the last time you were caught samefagging?

>>281503133
*whips you* where's my cotton at?

>>281500318
He ought to be back in Jump by early 2027 at the latest.

>>281503158
KEKKKKKK

>>281503158
bcuck what are you on about? Are you retarded? Then again, only retards like blacked clover lmao

>>281503192
>EEK EEK OOK OOK
We have a feisty one here boys!

>>281503197
No wonder he relates to goku lol

>>281503197
>he is actually a monkey
Damn, no wonder he likes blacked clover

We deserve a better EiC.

>>281503217
Kimetsu no yaiba's first chapter is more profound than the entire wealth of african literature. Let that sink in.

>>281503217
>continues chimping out
go on buck, I got my popcorn and earplugs

>>281503236
kek ask him to name 10 books by black people he's read

>>281503236
>>281503241
>>281503255
>samefagging this hard
bcuck…you have to let it go. They axed blacked clover ages ago

>>281502772
>Kiyoshi
Why is it the only one with really low view counts? What's up with that?

>>281503273
name 10 books by black people you've read

>>281503278
Have Africans even written 10 books in total?

>>281503278
bro is too busy reading kimetsu no yaiba geg

>>281503278
bcuck what are you even talking about? Are you still mad because they axed blacked clover? Here’s a gif for you, a blacked clover chick with her boyfriend

>>281503303
ok ok but where's the 10 books you read from your fellow black race, or are you too busy reading japanese creations KEK

>>281502913
To be fair, his sister was just an emotional manipulation plot device, nothing more.

>>281503303
>here's a gif for you
>.jpg
KEKKKKKKK THIS DUMB AHH CHIMP

>>281503319
>ook eek

>>281503316
Why are you asking me about your fellow people? Shouldn’t you ask the blacked clover girls since they have a black boyfriend?

>>281503330
it's still true.

>>281503333
>he desperately wants to deny he's black
why are you hurting yourself

>>281503333
so this is the final form of the blackcel wizard... a blacked spammer.

>>281503339
>

>>281503344
>>281503356
bcuck you are samefagging again lmao

>>281503367
I accept your concession.

>>281503370
why are you so self-hating darkie

>>281503375
But I’m not you?

>>281503387
you can say whatever you want, at the end of the day the man in your mirror is still black.

>this thread
Good to see the kny hater getting shat on as usual

>>281503395
ouch

Ichi will be the new KnY once it gets an anime.

>>281503395
*Fat, black, ugly, and an incel

>>281503422
four synonyms

>>281503395
>bcuck thinks only one person shit on him
bcuck…

>>281503403
You're not fooling anyone.

>>281503448
Why are you posting your house bcuck?

oh btw did I mention ichi sales declined?
thought you guys might have forgot it

>>281502843
Right is objectively better than left and sales and popularity show that

>>281503508
Based

>>281502843
Wow, that explains why I couldn't get into Demon Slayer when everything looked so busy.

Porno graffiti doing mha final op

>>281503566
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raMswySyiZo

Why do you guys call Ichi DEIchi?

>>281503093
You keep loudly shouting that “Torishima trashed KnY,” but the fact is you’re saying it without providing any concrete source, which makes your claim far too weak to be convincing.
And whenever you’re asked to show a source, you either go completely silent or just ignore the request.
Normally, if someone were confident in the source backing up their argument, they would present it — but you never do.

Looking at the situation objectively, it really seems like you’re either lying outright, or twisting Torishima’s words heavily to suit your own agenda and spreading them that way. Are you really okay with that?

In any case, unless you show the original source text with the surrounding context, there’s no way to judge. So can you provide it? Preferably in Japanese.

>>281503711
just look at ichi vol 4 cover.

>>281503711
>BLAXK & Strong independent womax
>effeminate twink who's being bossed(dom) around by the same BLAXK womax
>tranny shark
>new homofaggot joined the gang
There

>>281503711
nedicbas couldn't come up with anything better to seethe over it

>>281503711
it's DEI, duh
>BLACKED queen (black gojo)
>faggy MC
>faggy MC's male homo lover
>MC wearing choker in story and gay boots in promotion

>>281503711
Nishi is infamously known for inspired Hazbin Hotel

>>281503773
Holy shit, really?

DEIchi is probably second in DEI-ing, only behind Make The Exorcist

>>281503786
Look up her first manga

>>281503319
she was at least there and we got reminded of why tanjiro wanted to save her. otr's sister is literally just a plot point to be forgotten soon

>>281503818
so a plot device then.

Go woke
Go broke

>>281503831
yes otr sister is a plot device

Globohomo is nishi's fault btw. americans youths were pozzed by nishi since 10s

>>281503796
How DEI is make the exorcist?

>>281503093
If the source is really on Twitter, then why don’t you just copy-paste it here?
Sure, it’s not perfect proof yet, but it’s still a hundred times better than you crying “no source but Torishima trashed KnY guys trust me” all by yourself.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDqFdEJNGpw
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXf-WAfTiJw

come on guys, you were doing so well.

>>281503729
>S-Source or it didn't happen! In Japanese only plz!!
Lmao. The book literally exists on Amazon JP, Torishima literally published it, and a Japanese native already translated the relevant parts on Twitter. You can go buy the book yourself if you care that much, but you won't because you don't actually want the truth, you want an excuse to plug your ears and cope. It's funny how when an English TL or Japanese comment praises Demon Slayer, you don't screech for "context" or demand raw scans. But the second Torishima, one of the most influential editors in manga history, calls the manga raw coffee beans and says the fights are badly drawn, suddenly it's "fake news, mistranslation, I need raw Japanese proof!!" Pathetic double standard.

I don't need to spoon-feed you shit. If you're so desperate to "see the context" go buy the book and read it yourself instead of crying in my mentions. The fact you're clinging to this fake courtroom act just proves my point: even the industry's biggest legends don't rate Demon Slayer highly, and you can't handle it.

GOD, I love our WINNERS

>>281503883
Do you ever get tired of moving the goalposts? First it was "malicious mistranslation" then "post the raws in Japanese" now it’s "just give me the Twitter TL yourself." Lmao. The book is on Amazon and Sandman translated it, it's called 『ボツ 『少年ジャンプ』伝説の編集長の“嫌われる”仕事術』 or "The Legendary Editor-in-Chief of Shounen Jump's "hated" work techniques." Buy it, read it, cry about it.

The translation already exists on Twitter, go look it up yourself. I'm not your secretary. If you were actually interested in the truth, you'd have checked it already instead of playing this endless 'prove it to me but on my terms' bullshit. But you won't, because deep down you know it's true: Torishima said the manga wasn't very good, called it raw coffee beans, and praised the anime for turning it into a completely different product.

And that burns you, because unlike random forum nerds or some random mangaka, Torishima's opinion actually holds weight. He made Dragon Ball and Dr. Slump possible. He's not some fanboy, he's a legend who can say whatever the fuck he wants. You don't want the truth, you want copium. So either buy the book or with all due respect, shut the fuck up.

>>281503948
Think logically. No source = no credibility.
Why should I buy a book just to fact-check your claim?
If you already own the book and know what it says, it would be far easier and faster to just post it here so why don’t you?
By refusing to do so, it’s only natural that people will assume you either fabricated the source to back your ideology, or heavily distorted its content.

If you post the original text, your argument instantly gains a lot more credibility and it’s not even that difficult to do. So why won’t you?

This is absolutely the lamest feud of /wsj/. I wouldn't even waste my time replying if i were either of you, faggots. You'd have to mentally ill to be this invested in each other.

>>281503948
So did you read the book yourself

>>281504083
So basically… no source?
Copy-pasting the original tweet would be way easier than typing all this nonsense.
The fact you won’t do it says everything.

>>281504121
luv u too bby

>>281504121
>You'd have to mentally ill to be this invested in each other.
Gay folks are usually like that.

>>281504083
If Torishima really said it, posting the exact quote isn’t hard.
“Buy the book” isn’t a source, it’s an excuse.
No text, no credibility.

>>281504083
>Torishima's opinion actually holds weight
>retard who wagered one piece would flop and refused to serialize it
KEKAROOO

>>281504097
I searched for this “Torishima quote” in Japanese — nothing.
Even Jap threads only had clickbait titles like “Torishima bashed OP, SnK, KnY!” with zero actual text posted.
If the Jap side has no source, you can guess how trustworthy the /a/’s “info” is.

>>281501974
>>281502042
>kgbfag lying again

>>281493794 (OP)
>Kagurabachi twitter has been posting main characters, one each day, supposedly leading to something (in theory - anime announcement at NYC)
>It has stopped after Char.

So, it was all a nothinburger, lmao.

>>281503773
>>281503786
>>281503804
>lying again

>>281494319
Because the magazine was (and still is) in a bad spot and UU had a decently sized loyal fanbase. Saito thought axing it for less successful garbage was a smart move kek
As to why readers liked it: characters dynamics, very original plot and love stories that actually went somewhere

>>281504412
UU bombed HORRIBLY hard and was rightfully axed.
>almost a year since it ended and they still refuse to update its circulation
Merch bombed, anime bombed, manga bombed.

>>281504371
>48k in five days
>46k in seven days
Decline.

>>281504412
UU should be axed regardless, it really not any better than any of the recent axebait

No

>>281503923
>9
You are kidding right?

>>281503917
They are reanimating Yoshiwara in Flame arc in a Recap movie.

Why doesn't Saito just greenlight actually good manga?

>>281503948
The ball only hits the goal when you actually post the Torishima interview text.
Normally on /a/, JP sources get posted and fact-checked. Here? Nothing.
Just a few guys screaming second-hand rumors.
Telling everyone to “just believe” is not rational at all.

Damn this mentally ill dude is still going at it? its been over 14 hours

>>281503276
because the image was from soon after it had its view counts reset from having its first three chapters replaced with the volume versions while everything after it still had the first three magazine chapters at the time the image was made

you can tell because it doesn't have a color image for its first chapter anymore

>>281501281
*Tafuku should marry Char.

>>281504661
he's been schizoing for over a year now anon

>>281504736
Including the last thread, he's been at it for at least 18 hours seething about kimetsu

All for nothing

>>281504097
Lmao, you're not fooling anyone with this fake courtroom schtick. I literally gave you the title, author, and even told you it's on Amazon JP: 『ボツ 『少年ジャンプ』伝説の編集長の“嫌われる”仕事術』(The Legendary Editor-in-Chief of Shounen Jump's "Hated" Work Techniques) by Kazuhiko Torishima, 2025. That IS the source. The fact you're still crying 'no source!! no credibility!!' just shows you're never going to accept it no matter what.

This isn't some hidden leak, it's a published book by one of the most influential editors in manga history, available on Amazon. The translation exists on Twitter from a native Japanese, but you’ll just screech 'doesn’t count!!' the second it's posted by a One Piece fan because you have a "it's us vs them" mentality. You don't want a source, you want a reason to dismiss it.
>>281504293
>/dbs/ lingo
And lol @ you bringing up One Piece. Torishima admitted himself that he thought it would flop, and guess what? He owned up and said he was wrong once in a decades-long career where he discovered and molded series like Dr. Slump and Dragon Ball. That doesn't erase the fact that his opinion still carries more weight than yours, mine, or any copeposting Demon Slayer fan.

At the end of the day, the book exists. It's public. And anyone can buy and read it anytime they want, or look up Sandman's TL. If you choose not to, that's on you. But don't pretend your willful ignorance = me having 'no source.' The source is right there, you're just too scared to look because it proves you wrong.

>>281504371
>>281504394
study, don't be lazy >>281495631

>>281504781
Kimetsu won, the greatest, most popular, most revenue generating, deepest manga of all time

God I fucking love KnY

>>281504795
>Kimetsu won, the greatest, most popular, most revenue generating, deepest manga of all time
One Piece holds that record for being the best-selling manga (backed by Guinness World Record!) and Dragon Ball holds the title as the most influential. It's so influential that Jump almost died when it ended and they're still suffering from the aftermath of it ending.

Every single record Demon Slayer made was only possible thanks to the anime and NOT the ugly ass manga.
>>281504826
Not me, and I'm glad more people come out to say the manga was ass, lmao. Doesn't matter how many NPCs (yourself included) loves it, ass is still ass.

>>281504870
Nah kimetsu won its an objective fact
both one piece and kimetsu mog dragon ball tho

>>281504870
>Admits chad piece mogs dragon slop to hell and back
Made you my bitch once again. Don't ever do the shit you pulled before again

281504870
Didnt ask

>>281504781
Nobody’s doubting the book exists.
What’s in question is whether Torishima actually said what you’re claiming.
Post the exact JP passage with context otherwise it’s just hearsay.

>>281504618
Lmao, I already gave you the book title, author, and year.『ボツ 『少年ジャンプ』伝説の編集長の“嫌われる”仕事術』 by Kazuhiko Torishima, 2025. That is the source. You can buy it on Amazon JP right now. Physically and digitally.

You crying "post text or it doesn't count!!" just proves you're not rational, you're coping. This isn't even a fucking leak, it's a published book. The text is there for anyone who isn't too much of a pussy to look at it. If you want the Japanese, buy it and read it yourself. But you don't actually want the source, you want to dismiss it. That's why the second someone posts a translation, you scream "fake!! mistranslation!! no context!!" and move the goalpost again.

I don’t need you to "believe" me, I don't give a fuck what you believe in. The book exists, it's public, and Torishima's opinion of Demon Slayer being raw coffee beans and the manga itself not being very good in it. Whether you keep crying or not doesn't change reality.
>>281504892
Deez nutz won and I'm still waiting for your passport, third world Spic. Guess that one is never coming. Lmaooo.

>>281504978
Kimetsu is mogging everything and you're crying
its so funny

>>281504978
7 years a slave to KnY. 5 more incoming. Total 12 years a slave

>>281504781
A book title ≠ a quote.
Still no actual text of Torishima saying “KnY was bad.”
“Buy the book” and “go find it on Twitter” aren’t sources, they’re excuses.
If the line was real, you’d have posted it already.

>>281504954
Nah. See picrel.
>>281504988
Deez nutz also mogs everything. See picrel, and how there's no Demon Slayer on sight.

>>281505029
Dragon ball is a toy franchise
It's a forgotten boomer manga compared to chad piece you mongoloid

2 schizos up on a tree, K-I-S-S-I-N-G

>>281505029
Kimetsu won and you're crying
It's the only IP that made billions. Dragon ball is a dead IP
>Bandai namco report
KnY isn't owned by bandai, and this report is fake btw.

>>281505072
>It's a forgotten boomer manga compared to chad piece you mongoloid
>can't even beat Daima
Even at 5% of its full power, DB mogs One Piece.

>>281504781
>Dropping an Amazon listing
>yelling “that’s the source”

Bro, that doesn’t magically prove anything.
Until someone posts the actual page with the actual wording, everything you’re saying is just interpretation and hearsay. People misread, misquote, and mistranslate all the time — that’s why text is necessary.
Why can't you understand such simple logic?

>>281505130
>Daima that is so forgotten even dragon slop fans don't care about it
>random award as cope for legitimacy
Nobody gives a shit about daipa, not even its fans

>>281505094
>It's the only IP that made billions.
Made all of its money when it exploded in 2020 and flatlined since then lmao. Dragon Ball makes billions alone from gacha. That's why it MOGS both One Piece and Gundam. Dragon Ball really carries Japan's economy like Torishima said.

>>281505155
And Daima still made billions of dollars beating Wan Piss lmao

One Piece
>color and LCPs on WSJ
>carrying WSJ to this day
>500m+ circulation
>makes big bucks everywhere
>multiple anime projects

Dragon slop
>dead and irrelevant on other magazine
>260m in 40 years going to be surpassed by kny
>anime is dead and cancelled

Kimetsu? Won
Jeremy? Lost

>>281497077
I love how this pic shuts him right up.

>>281505194
>Kimetsu?
Kept on life-support by the anime. The moment the anime ends, the franchise WILL die. Dragon Ball will outlive it and the next overrated slop zoomers dickrides next.
>Black Clover?
Still axed from Jump.

>>281505179
>Dragon Ball really carries Japan's economy like Torishima said.
3.5 billion in 10 years is carrying Japan's economy? How retarded can you be? Japan's economy in trillions per year not billions.

>>281505214
It won and will keep winning like I predicted. You lost and will continue to lose.

>>281505189
One Piece had the anime on hiatus and yet daipa barely beat it lmao

>>281505191
>One Piece
>>color and LCPs on WSJ
Dragon Ball did it
>>carrying WSJ to this day
Dragon Ball gave WSJ the highest readership of all time BITCH
>>500m+ circulation
True, but only because One Piece ran for so long. If Dragon Ball ran for just as long, it'd sell more
>>makes big bucks everywhere
Dragon Ball makes more money
>>multiple anime projects
So does Dragon Ball and it also gets multiple game projects because it's the only anime IP that gets good games lol
>Dragon GOD
Alive and still relevant
>>260m in 40 years going to be surpassed by kny
Dragon Ball has already sold 400M btw, sales hasn't been updated for years
>>anime is dead and cancelled
Dragon Ball is SO strong it doesn't need an anime to sustain

>>281505179
>Made all of its money when it exploded in 2020 and flatlined since then lmao
It sold over 70 million copies since 2020
The merch and BD still topping everything
Movie is back and breaking previous kny records

You can cope and seethe, but kimetsu won and will keep winning for a long long time.

>>281504978
So basically, you swallowed some random second-hand rumor without ever checking the book yourself, and now you’re spreading it as “fact” online?
Yeah, considering how you’ve acted, that explanation adds up the most.

Dragonball is problematic. It has pervs and sexualizes Bulma. Like eww.

>>281505277
>It sold over 70 million copies since 2020
Still not beating Dragon Ball. All of the money it made, all of its worth, came from 2020
>The merch and BD still topping everything
No one cares about BD and merch don't sell like hotcakes outside of Japan which is where Dragon Ball makes most of its money now. Dragon Ball doesn't need Japan while Kimeshit needs Japan like oxygen lmao
>Movie is back and breaking previous kny records
In Japan

>>281505268
>Dragon Ball did it
>Dragon Ball gave WSJ the highest readership of all time BITCH
No it didn't do it alone, Slam dunk was a major part. Dragon ball slop ended and WSJ was unaffected until SD ended.
Chad Piece is doing it alone with no other major hit.
>True, but only because One Piece ran for so long. If Dragon Ball ran for just as long, it'd sell more
Dragon ball NEVER sold as much as one piece. Why would it?
>Dragon Ball makes more money
Wrong
>So does Dragon Ball and it also gets multiple game projects because it's the only anime IP that gets good games lol
Who cares about video toys? One piece still mogs it on new actual content
>Alive and still relevant
and other lies you can tell yourself
>Dragon Ball has already sold 400M btw, sales hasn't been updated for years
Coping with lies. Bring official source or its not true
>Dragon Ball is SO strong it doesn't need an anime to sustain
And other lies you can tell yourself. Chad Piece doesn't even need anime to function but its so popular many studios want to make an anime for it. Nobody cares about dragon ball except grandpas nowadays lmaooooooooooo

>>281505302
See what I said the precious thread, Spic
>I can praise Dragon Ball and literally suck on Toriyama's cock as much as I'd like same way I can criticize and shit on him. That's what being a healthy fan means. If it means I can use Dragon Ball to take jabs at Demon Slayer's DOGSHIT art, I absolutely will.

>>281505316
>It sold more than most manga did in their lifetime after 2020
>breaking records across multiple countries in 2025 . 5years after ending
>>>>u-u-uh it made everything in 2020
mouth breather

>>281505331
Begone filthy redditor

>>281504978
>the source is Amazon product page
>won’t post the actual text
>“trust me guys, it’s real”

What the hell is wrong with you?

>>281505331
>He thinks he's healthy
7 years of seethe is not healthy

This dragon slop fan is so delulu he thinks it's on the same tier as chad piece or even close to it.
We also need to dispel the golden age BS, That was slam dunk doing not dragon slop.
Remember when Dragon ball was in danger of cancellation according to toriyama? lmfao

>>281504978
If you really have the right info, why can’t you just post the quote?
It’d take one minute and give your claim actual credibility.
Instead you write endless copypasta excuses. Why?
A book title can never be evidence. Do you even get that?

>>281505331
You are the last person that should be lecturing anyone on being a healthy fan.

>>281505320
>No it didn't do it alone, Slam dunk was a major part. Dragon ball slop ended and WSJ was unaffected until SD ended
Wrong
Dragon Ball was indeed the BEST thing that could've ever happened to Jump. It was so good that it upped sales by 15% and at the end, dropped from 6.5 million yearly to just 4 in 2 years after it ended
Slam Dunk was also a big loss but Dragon Ball ending was an even bigger loss. Even now, Jump are still bleeding from Dragon Ball ending
>Dragon ball NEVER sold as much as one piece. Why would it?
Because Dragon Ball ran for 11 years while Wan Piss ran for nearly 30 years lmao. If Dragon Ball ran at the same time as Wan Piss, it would outsell it but Toriyama isn't a Jew like Oda
>Wrong
Yup. See picrel
>One piece still mogs it on new actual content
And Wan Piss will NEVER get a single good game. Video games are the biggest moneymakers baby, it eclipses the anime, manga, film and music industry combined
You will never get a Wan Piss FighterZ looool
>Coping with lies.
Nope Dragon Ball has over 400M since 2011 if it's not already there. You're still looking at 2002 sales of 260M lmao
>Chad Piece doesn't even need anime to function
Because the manga keeps it on life support lol. I'd bet Dragon Ball will outlive Wan Piss too when Oda reveals what the One Piece is and it's just a letter that says "the real One Piece was the friends we made along the way"

>>281505591
As for picrel...
See that you dog? Dragon Ball mogs Wan Piss with 5% of its full power with a Rugrats spin off lol

>>281505591
>Dragon Ball was indeed the BEST thing that could've ever happened to Jump. It was so good that it upped sales by 15% and at the end, dropped from 6.5 million yearly to just 4 in 2 years after it ended
Wrong again. It was slam dunk not dragon slop.
There's a reason slam dunk new edition made it to oricon top 10. and the movie made big bucks but the Dragon ball IP is dead and irrelevant in Japan. That's the difference between a strong undying IP and irrelevant garbage like dragon ball
>Because Dragon Ball ran for 11 years while Wan Piss ran for nearly 30 years lmao. If Dragon Ball ran at the same time as Wan Piss, it would outsell it but Toriyama isn't a Jew like Oda
Dragon ball never sold as much as one piece. It'd take 300 volumes of dragon slop to reach 400M sure. One Piece did 500m in a 100.
>Yup. See picrel >>281505610
Chad piece anime was on hiatus and Daipa BARELY beat it. That's laughable.
>And Wan Piss will NEVER get a single good game. Video games are the biggest moneymakers baby, it eclipses the anime, manga, film and music industry combined
Chad Piece doesn't need video toys. and it doesn't eclipse shit. There's a reason everyone talks about one piece but nobody brings up dragon ball.
One Piece games are also better than dragon slop
>Nope Dragon Ball has over 400M since 2011 if it's not already there. You're still looking at 2002 sales of 260M lmao
Official source for 400M? You don't have any? lmaooooooooo
>Because the manga keeps it on life support lol. I'd bet Dragon Ball will outlive Wan Piss too when Oda reveals what the One Piece is and it's just a letter that says "the real One Piece was the friends we made along the way"
You're mistaking GODA for toriyama. He isn't a shitty slop writer who changes hair dye and calls it a day . he's an intelligent writer on par with the greatest of literature

>>281504476
>lying
>again
Kgb? Lost.

>>281504784
>lie lie lie
HMMM

>>281505787
>>281505807
based mindbrokenbro

>>281505848
>mindbroken
>spamming ichi lost and samefagging
KGB? lost.

>>281505955
uh oh someone got a melty because ichi declined

>>281505665
>Wrong again. It was slam dunk not dragon slop.
Wrong see the chart, see how readership tooo a nosedive after 1995 ths the year Dragon Ball ended and cry
>Dragon ball IP is dead and irrelevant in Japan
Japan don't matter. Dragon Ball makes its mone
>Dragon ball never sold as much as one piece.
Because Dragon Ball ran for 11 years while Wan Piss ran for almost 30 years lol. If it ran for as long as Wan Piss does, Dragon Ball would outsell easily but Toriyama isn't a Jew like Oda
>Chad piece anime was on hiatus and Daipa BARELY beat it
See picrel. Eben when Dragon GOD is on hiatus with no anime and no manga it still MOGS Wan Piss lol
>Chad Piece doesn't need video toys.
Says every Wan Pisser whole secretly wishing ArcSys made a Wan Piss FighterZ for their Teletubbie manga lol
Best thing you'll get is that discount Dragon Quest RPG carried by Robin and Nami
>Official source for 400M?
Dragon Ball was at 350 million in 2008, currently it should be around 400 or 450 million
>He isn't a shitty slop writer who changes hair dye and calls it a day
You're right, instead Oda is a shitty slop writer changes islands with the next Bowser and next Nami princess clone with a new hair dye and calls it a day kek

BTW, here you go from Battle of Gods promo
Dragon Ball was at 350 million in 2008, currently it should be around 400 if not 450 million right now

>>281505988
>Japan don't matter. Dragon Ball makes its money outside of Japan
Fixed
And you should be thankful Covid happened and people were locked inside their home so they were forced to watch Wan Piss lol

Dragon Ball on hiatus mogging Wan Piss with no anime and noanga btw

>>281505988
>Wrong see the chart, see how readership tooo a nosedive after 1995 ths the year Dragon Ball ended and cry
You can look up the numbers. It only nosedived after slam dunk. Dragon ball was going to be cancelled early on anyway.
>Japan don't matter. Dragon Ball makes its mone
Cope when you're dead and irrelevant in Japan
>Because
what-if cope
>Says every Wan Pisser whole secretly wishing ArcSys made a Wan Piss FighterZ for their Teletubbie manga lol
You're coping with random arena video games while One Piece gets unique games.
>Dragon Ball was at 350 million in 2008, currently it should be around 400 or 450 million
Lies and bullshit. Shueisha repeatedly says 260 million.
>You're right, instead Oda is a shitty slop writer changes islands with the next Bowser and next Nami princess clone with a new hair dye and calls it a day kek
There's a reason One Piece story is considered one of the greatest while dragon ball is the opposite. Nami and robin are better written and more popular than chichi and bulma lmao
>>281506027
Shueisha says its 260 million. I don't care about this irrelevant fake image you post. Shueisha is the final and only source I take.

>>281505982
>kgb loses
>uses an even worse seller
KGB? Lost.

>>281505982
>fake centuria fag again
lol, i remember when we chased fags like you off our threads.

>>281506309
to ichi in the declining chart