Thread 281541666

>Both fight Akaza for a bit and get their shit rocked
See a difference?

chadyuu blocked the attack was killed jobbergakou

I don't watch anime for Latinxfolk

>>281541666 (OP)
Nice try. Akaza was fooling around against Giyu while against Rengoku, Akaza was fighting for his life. 100% effort all the time. Did you even read the manga?

>>281541901
nice cope rengokufag

>>281541930
he won

>>281541666 (OP)
I like Rengoku, but he's a solid #7 among the Hashira. On the lower end of power but not the worst.

>>281541666 (OP)
Oh sure, compare them after we literally had a season called Hashira Training arc because Rengoku's defeat alerted them that they need to power up

>>281541666 (OP)
When Akaza fought Rengoku, he was on an expedition, so he had the leeway to hold back in order to recruit him.
When Akaza fought Giyu, however, his base was being invaded, so he needed to kill quickly.

That’s the difference."

>>281541901
He was holding back against Rengoku too.

>>281542689
Who cares? All the fights are nothing but infodumps, plot conveniences and mopey flashbacks.

>>281541666 (OP)
Rengoku never matches Akaza in the fight while Giyuu forces Akaza to match him
Giyuu would still have lost without Tanjirou but his performance was obviously on another tier compared to Rengoku
Love the guy but he died before he could get any of the major powerups or even master his own form to its peak like Sanemi and Gyomei did. And that's part of what makes him so likable

>>281541666 (OP)
Rengoku just wasn't built for this. Should have become a baker or smth

>>281541666 (OP)
Giyuu is canonically stringer after all

>>281541666 (OP)
>Left: Hard Work + Talent
>Right: Hard Work

Apologize to him this INSTANT.

>>281545152
I can't wait to see peoples reaction to the movie. Ufo greatly emphasized the gap between Tanjiro and Giyu/Akaza. I wonder if it was intentional for the trailers to prop up Tanjiro and make it look like he's gonna have a competetive fight against Akaza.

>>281541666 (OP)
Meh, different scenarios.

Rengoku didn’t awakened the mark since he could not take part to the training , so his raw power was not matchable with marked Tomioka.
Beside, the different fighting style play a huge role in this:
Rengoku was stronger than unmarked Tomioka and his style was more offensive based, so while stronger he got hard countered by Akaza ‘s anti-swordman style.
Tomioka instead is a defence/parry specialist, and so he was a better match for Akaza since he style allowed him to tank and deflect most of his letal barrage and stand in fight without 90% of his techniques being useless

>>281545428
Why did Tanjiro feel so much weaker and more wheezy in the anime compared to the manga, even though the story and events were supposed to be exactly the same?

When Tanjiro passed out near the end, or when his grip strength gave out and his sword slipped, I couldn’t help but think: "Hey, compared to Giyu you’ve literally done nothing up to this point. You’ve just swung your sword maybe ten times. Why are you so exhausted?"
I never once felt that way reading the manga.

>>281545623
The screenshot of Giyu takes place right before he gets the mark after fighting Akaza for a considerable amount of time. Similiar length, Rengoku was fighting Akaza.
fyi

>>281545675
The anime extended Tanjiro's fight with Akaza, so he literally did a lot more than in the mange before he fell from exhaustion.

Among the Hashira, Shinobu is the weakest and Himejima is the strongest. The rest are all roughly around the same level of strength.

>>281545152
By the way, Giyu shouldn’t have cut his hair. After he cut it, he just looked like a middle-aged woman and it was lame.

>>281545825
Even Sanemi?

>>281545825
Tengen is the weakest.

I prefer this scene in the manga. Including the expressions, it really captured how obnoxious Akaza can be when he’s being talkative.

>>281545675
>He doesn't kill and eat women because of this one woman.
I don't get it. That seems so stupid.
Was the fact that Koyuki was a woman really that important to the way he saw her?
I must be missing something.

>>281546027
On the other hand Tomioka's expression when saying pic related was fun

>>281545891
It matches how he feels

>>281541738
Same. I refuse to watch that telenovela anime. It's unironically even more repetitive and formulaic than Dragon Ball.
>strong demon shows up
>fight strong demon
>flashback to explain demon/hashira's misery porn story before they die and get written out of the story
>some minimal character development for emotional beat
>cry a little while
>move on to the next demon
I knew EXACTLY how UM3, UM2 and UM1 would go out. And they all went out in the lamest way possible. It's just Saint Seiya for the ADHD generation (and fat ugly women).

Funnily, the same faggots who cry at Dragon Ball for being repeptitve actually has A LOT more going to it like treasure hunting, space travels, cat-mouse chase, time travel plots and can make fun of itself. Demon Slayer has so little story variety that I actually when the anime is our of the equation, it'll age like milk just like Saint Seiya where Toei failed many times to revive it to the modern audiences.

>>281546027
This part was also better in the manga.
Wani is better at expressing character emotions than Ufotable’s animators.

>>281545152
I apologize for assuming he'd be another Sasuke clone.
He's more like Tanjiro's older cousin. Rarely around, but always on his side.

Confirmed Gotouge is alive!

>>281546247
Ishida makes up for it, tenfold.

>>281543829
Honestly, the fact that he almost managed to fight Akaza to a draw in a one-on-one without the Mark is worth praising.
Giyu, on the other hand, had the Mark buff and even had Tanjiro backing him up two-on-one, yet he was still nearly killed.

>>281546310
Real fascinating how Gotouge's artstyle has developed over the years.

>>281546310
>5 years has passed since the author ended their slop manga
>made ZERO improvement om their art
Is it possible to learn this power?

>>281546408
Because Akaza wasn't serious until he said
>oh fuck
at the very end.
Giyuu though, he even used his super duper special attack.

>>281545152
His voice actor is fenomenal. My favourite piece was when his voice was almost cracking in disbelief after Akaza snapped his blade.

>>281546288
Even though he can only use Water Breathing and is technically a complete downgrade from Tanjiro on the skill tree, I love that in practice Giyu is still completely superior than him.

>>281546463
>forced to go on a whitewashing PR tour as tomioka for being a manwhore

>>281546422
Looks downgrading to me.
Her old styleis much more unique and sharp.

>>281546489
EOS 13th form Tanjiro be like
>Finally, I am Giyu tier

>>281546288
I remember a few anons saying he would be like Saucegay but thank God he never was. I would say hes a mix of mentor/older brother to Tang.

>>281546552
I mean, Gayuu had several years of experience above him.
And their skills became worthless right at the moment muzan died.

>>281546069
Chivalry bruh

>>281545825
Not true
UM1 showed there are levels within the Pillars even between those two. Mui got Exodia'd while Sanemi put up a good fight
>>281546310
I don't know who the left character is but she is cute

>>281546489
>I love that in practice Giyu is still completely superior than him.
Lolno. MC is still superior to the Water Autist and the author makes it painfully clear by having the bad guy clown on every side bitch while MC could take him solo the longest.

>>281546604
>I LIKE COMING INSIDE THE SHAVED BITCHES I HAVE AFFAIRS WITH
>YES SIDE BITCH WE ARE GETTING MARRIED I SWEAR (not leaving my wife lol)
I mean, he's to blame for this, 100%

>>281546489
Hinokami Kagura isn’t actually that strong aside from having special effects against Muzan.
It’s just that Yoriichi was OP.

And onto the next thread, niggers.

>>281546645
Call it cope, but Mui's breathing style got hard countered by Koku's see through world.

>>281546731
>sword style centered around demons not being able to see your movements
>fight see through world autist
Yep, he stood no chance, koku (and akaza's compass) hard counter him.

>>281546552
Since Tanjiro, as the user, doesn’t have enough power resources, he can only maintain it for a few seconds.
Maybe in those first seconds Tanjiro is stronger, but he quickly runs out of breath, so Giyu easily surpasses him.
The only ones who can properly use it are Yoriichi and Tanjiro’s father.

>Jeremy arriving like a supervillain
>Feeling all proud because he got the last post in the other thread

This attack would turn Tengen into red mist

>>281546726
CAN'T
BEAT
KIMETSU
IN
PER
VOLUME
SALES

Imagine the sakuga-driven power boost Himejima, Sanemi and Obanai are about to receive in the next 2 movies.

>>281546861
That's right loser, I'm the one actually keeping your shit threads alive. This thread? MINE. You? My BITCH.

What are you going to do about that, faggot? Make another thread where you imagine Muzan seducing Goku? Lol.

>>281546922
You're not ready for Human Nezuko to solo the new UM5 on her way to the city

>>281546731
In the next movie, Muichiro will probably get a longer fight scene against Kokushibo.
As it is in the manga, he comes across as way too much of a throwaway jobber.

>>281546435
You can't make improvement if you don't draw anything.

>>281546902
>Dragon Ball was said to have made up of 85% of Jump's sales in the Golden Age in 2002
>Dragon Ball was said to have made a revenue of $30 billion dollars in 2004, its current value could be around $45 (lowball) or $50 billion (highball) right now
>Oricon confirms that the Dragon Ball manga has sold 350M in 2008
>17 years has passed and that means Dragon Ball's sales has only gone up since theb, it should be around 450-475M right now
>Divide 450 or 475 with 42 and you get an average sales per volume of 10.71M (lowball) or 11.30M (highball)
>Dragon Ball has the highest per volume sales in manga history but Shueisha hates Dragon Ball and wants to sabotage it because it's TOO big
The KING of manga. Always compared, always imitated, but never surpassed. Not even by that shitty manga drawn by a woman (and if not a woman either a tranny or a faggot pick your poison).

>>281546978
Isn't the point that he gets instagibbed?

>>281546726
>>281546929

like a little cousin following the older kids around and bragging about the fact they have to tolerate his presence, clinging to any crumb of attention that gets thrown his way.

this guy literally has no friends. not one.

Isn't the Iguro cosplayer in the front row basically spoiling?

>>281546959
Would be amazing, but Soto doesn't have the balls for that.

>>281547050
>it should be around 450-475M right now
Still waiting for that cool source bro! Surely you hav-
>should
oh.... Kimetsu wins I guess.
remember, if it didn't get announced, it didn't achieve those numbers (your own words)

>>281547084
Muzan is so fresh.

>>281547092
>story relevant anime original content during the movie
You'd need to have the gator explain before the movie starts that she wrote all of it and spam it everywhere for nips to take it well.

>>281546922
Imagine the sakuga-driven power boost Koku and Muzan are about to receive, Muzan survived a goddamn nuke in the anime
(which damaged him less than Sword Superman)

>>281547059
>Hiatuscuck
Maybe you should worry more about Togashi and him not dying before he completes HxH (IF he completes HxH) before you worry about me, faggot. Lmao.

Togashit's health is SO bad that he admitted to the world that he's making waffles in the shower.

>>281541666 (OP)
One of them had time to prepare.

I know we will never see how strong healthy Muzan is. He's been getting rapidly weaker ever since he got poisoned by Tamayo. So when he was 1v1 against Tanjiro, how weak was he?
Around Koku level? Douma? Akaza?

By the way, when looking at the credits for this movie, Kondo’s self-assertion really stood out,why is that?
Did he also want his name to be remembered as part of a historically significant work as a creator?

>>281547241
He was kind of metabolizing the poison, so who knows, his best ability is being an immortal tank.

>>281547143
yeah, but that's a given.
Muzan in particular will have the greatest boost in the series when it comes to the overall quality and coreography of his fight.

>>281547143
>Koku cuts the infinity castle in half
>Muzan shakes the entire infinite castle upon his wake

>>281547241
Going by vibes alone I'd say Douma-ish (above Akaza but slightly below Koku)

>>281547302
I heard he was primarily involved in the sound department.

>>281547097
>Cope
That's right, Spic. CRY.
>2002
Tokyo Anime Fair / Jump Expo, Dragon Ball has sold 260M.
>2005
Toei internal, industry doc confirms Dragon Ball has sold 300M (160M from Japan and 140M overseas).
>2008
Oricon + Sankei + Livedoor News confirms Dragon Ball has sold 350M
>2009
Shueisha reaffirms that Dragon Ball has sold 350M at the Tokyo Anime Fair.
>2013
Toei also reaffirms that Dragon Ball has sold 350M copies.
>2025
No official updates in 17 years. Lowballed to "260M" on paper which Dragon Ball has passed A LONG time ago and is well past 450M+.

475 ÷ 42 = 11.30M. You're living under my feet, dog.

>>281546891
Akaza vs Giyu was great, but Tengen vs Gyutaro is straight-up top tier. Easily at least number two.

>>281547371
I love how you're computing with 470M when its not official because you know you can't win with 350M (which is the last official update so far), so you have to use your imaginary numbers to compete. Reaching much?

>>281547371
>Toei also reaffirms that Dragon Ball has sold 350M copies

And now they say 260M https://corp.toei-anim.co.jp/ja/press/press1756269914992343745.html
Nikkei too, most reliable source in Japan
https://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXZQOUC0866B0Y4A300C2000000/

And of course Shueisha, their last numbers are what matter

>>281546247
I'm still mad that Ufotable didn’t give Shinobu’s eyes the insect-like compound pattern like in the manga.
Her screen time is short, so why cut corners there?

>>281547589
They didn't do it back in s1, so that was it.
They already have an stupid attention to detail with the haoris so the eyes would kill them.

>>281547317
Judging by how Ufotable expanded the Infinity Castle, Kokushibo could easily end up buffed to the point he’d feel like a Bleach power level character.

>Neg diffs a Hashira in 1 minute
A feat only Kokushibo copied later.

>>281547720
Luckily, they are using so much of the fortress now koku will just destroy fullblow rooms.

The UM1 fight is much different vs all other fights. Kokushibo doesn't fight like a demon, he fights just like a super Hashira, so it's more like a Kenshin battle than something out of KnY. Also, the mangaka clearly holds favoritism towards sword fights so the aura and hype level are on a different scale compared to any other fight, even the Muzan fight. The Muzan fight was more like a raid against a monster.

>>281547720
They kinda did it as if excuse.

>>281547760
And it's why the Kokushibo fight is the best fight of manga

>>281547794 to >>281547658

>>281547720
I'm excited about the environments they will do in the next movie for Douma and Koku. Akaza had such varied fighting grounds. Douma's mansion is just begging for his Buddha statue to crash through. And for Koku. I'm sure they are cooking something up aside from his pillar room.

>>281547834
Douma won't move from his little palace garden, but koku... I expect him to just destroy half the fortress at this point when he whips out his real sword.

>>281547834
The fact that they went as far as making maps for the outer douma areas strongly suggests that the battlefield will expand.

>>281547943
I can imagine them making it larger than that building. So big it doesn't fit in the room they are fighting in.

Is the trilogy really going to wrap up the anime completely?
It feels like there isn’t quite enough runtime to do it justice.

Wanna know what is going to look even better than anything so far, environment wise?

Muzan and Yushiro wrestling for control of Nakime while the whole Castle goes haywire. Muzan, Giyuu and Obanai flying around and fighting while gravity pulls them randomly in all directions. Since it's gonna be the last action scene inside the Castle, might as well go all out with it.

>>281548110
Next movie is douma+some of nakime+koku.
Final one rest of nakime+muzan
Honestly, another two 150 minute movies would make it a 2 cour season which is basically enough.

It’ll be interesting to see how Ufotable enhances this final boss, whose only real ability is flailing poison tentacles

>>281548110
Ask yourself this. Can 6-7 episodes cover the start of the muzan fight all the way to the end?

>>281548110
Might need a 3-hour movie with 40 minutes of epilogue for the last one, which sounds weird on paper.
Honestly, feels like the last episode might be TV exclusive to justify the inevitable "split-the-movies-into-episodes" milking in 2030.

>AIIIIEEEE SAVE ME MODS
I'll post again, bitch. You can cry to the janny all you want, Dragon Ball is STILL the uncontested per capita king and NOT your shitty drawn manga made for fat ugly middle-aged women and homosexuals.
>Dragon Ball was said to have made up of 85% of Jump's sales in the Golden Age in 2002
>Dragon Ball was said to have made a revenue of $30 billion dollars in 2004, its current value could be around $45 (lowball) or $50 billion (highball) right now
>Oricon confirms that the Dragon Ball manga has sold 350M in 2008
>17 years has passed and that means Dragon Ball's sales has only gone up since theb, it should be around 450-475M right now
>Divide 450M (lowball) or 475M (highball) with 42 and you get an average sales per volume of 10.71M (lowball) or 11.30M (highball)
>Dragon Ball has the highest per volume sales in manga history but Shueisha hates Dragon Ball and wants to sabotage it because it's TOO big
The KING of manga. Always compared, always imitated, but never surpassed. Not even by that shitty manga drawn by a woman (and if not a woman either a tranny or a faggot pick your poison).

More receipts to come of Shueisha sabotaging it and shilling new gen slop like Demon Slayer among others.

>>281547367
I always hear praise to the animation and stuff, but the sound editing is top notch and is barely mentioned. I guess this is not a thing for anime.

>>281548213
I'm gonna have to criticize Wani here. While I don't dislike his design, Muzan at least at the beginning should have created some swaggy clothes for himself when he left the cacoon. Him fighting naked by choice is weird. Later he can ditch the clothes.

>>281548280
hahahahahahahahahahaha.
it's like a clingy ex calling you from another phone.

3D fan animation of the UM1-3 fights:
UM3: https://youtu.be/le6rHR__3hI?si=Wic0QLNz6q5Z-055
UM2: https://youtu.be/2roob5gorm8?si=DKlX0E6NEnp2dBqy
UM1: https://youtu.be/Cd2aWru1KtM?si=HW8Jv9COAxYZhzQI

>>281548213
I can't help but think Gotouge could have given him a flashier ability but

Blood manipulation: Gyutaro
Lightning powers: Hantengu
Ice powers: Douma
Dark sword beams: Kokushibou

All the cool abilities were already taken by his subordinates, and he was left with this lame one.
In that sense, I kinda feel sorry for him.

>>281548374
>Hiatuscuck
Like I said, you should worry more about Togashi and him not dying before he completes HxH (IF he ever completes it, he won't lol) than you worry about me.

His health is SO fucking he has to take a shit in the shower, lmao.

>>281548320
Btw is he naked or at least wearing pants?

>>281548280
>More receipts to come of Shueisha sabotaging

Before their announcement of 260M worldwide, Shueisha had never mentioned Dragon Ball’s global sales. They had only stated in 2014, for DB’s 30th anniversary, that 160M volumes were sold in Japan, not worldwide. All of Shueisha’s numbers are correct, you can keep being deluded and think they’re sabotaging.

>>281548485
Muzan’s pants is so durable that it can withstand even that explosion.

>>281548213
But that's not true.
Muzan tentacle flailing is like Akaza's normal punching and kicking. It looks less aesthetic and less interesting for people who LIKE to watch anime fights for its own sake, but it looks more threatening and dangerous for casual viewers. His special techniques, just like Akaza's, look much more varied.
The Muzan fight has a lot of potential because it's the least interesting one, visually, for seasoned manga readers, but it's also the one who looks like the heroes are fighting a videogame boss the most if properly handled.

>>281548429
Ever notice how all these useful BDAs were being used by the Slayers? As the demon progenitor and presumably foremost expert on BDAs he could have lots of super strong ones at his disposal instead of....none.

>>281548402
Still the GOAT even predicted some choreography from the Shinobu fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrtxRiy4ouM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fwXVK2eR00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Sb7uXDQqv0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cj0YcmvjVA

>>281542293
Come on.

We know who is the weakest (Shinobu)
The second weakest (Uzui)
The Strongest (Gyomei)
Second strongest (Sanemi)

Rengoku is stronger than pre-mark Taquito and Kanroji. Snake dude I don't know, I'll give him #5 or #6.

>>281548600
Maybe Blood Demon Arts are basically gacha rolls, even Muzan can’t choose what he gets.
If he could, he wouldn’t need Nakime running Infinity Castle for him, he’d just do it himself.

>>281548573
He looks like a jack of all trades but a master of none.
Well, that’s only because this guy’s abilities are way too damn cool.

>>281548734
I'd put Kanroji above him. Her markless showing against Zohakuten was more impressive than Rengoku against unserious Akaza.

>>281548817
He'd be a master of all if he wasn't literally dying of old age.

>>281548817
Koku is Vader, Muzan is Palpatine.
Koku is cooler, but Muzan's downfall is more satisfying.

>Both fight Tanjiro for a bit and get their shit rocked
See a difference?

> Demon Slayer: The Movie
>A completely original story, separate from the manga
>The enemy is the former Upper Moon Zero
>A demon who, like Tamayo, escaped Muzan’s control
>A traitor who used to be part of the Demon Slayer Corps, and a user of the Dark Breathing style
>An original movie-only heroine appears
Includes rom-com moments with Tanjiro
>To defeat Upper Moon Zero, Tanjiro and Akaza temporarily team up
>In the end, Tanjiro defeats Upper Moon Zero using a movie-exclusive technique that fuses Water Breathing and the Hinokami Kagura

Honestly, I would have loved to enjoy Kimetsu as one of those old-school anything-goes Jump anime movies like this.
I like canon films, but it’s a bit sad that there’s no original movie you can go into completely blind and enjoy without knowing the story beforehand.

>>281548864
Kanroji would not have put Akaza to the ropes.

>>281541738
Japan cares about it more than whatever seasonal slop you like.

>>281549227
We don't know that. And if she found herself in the same situation as donut Rengoku, she would pin down Akaza until sunrise comes and take him out with her.

>>281549222
>A completely original story, separate from the manga

>>281549227
You're right. She would just outright kill Akaza with this.

>>281549222
Toei would have done this in a heartbeat.

>>281549379
Akaza is a martial artist.

>>281549379
Akaza would regen from that in one second, there's a scene in the movie when Giyuu slices all his limbs off and he literally recovers in time to parry the very next attack.

>>281549222
I want to thank Ufotable just for the fact that this didn’t happen.

>>281549222
If you want to make an Ufo movie, just have Rengoku be the MC and have it be a prequel.

>>281549379
My wife is so graceful...

>>281549379
Base Mitsuri would really rock their shit.

>>281549403
She's a ballet dancer. Never cross fight a ballet dancer.

>>281549222
I regret reading this entire post. My eyes hurt.

>>281549222
They should just go "fuck it" and go crazy. Make a AU movie where demons and slayers switch roles. Gyutaro and Daki are the MC and they meet Hashira Douma and the rest goes from there.

>>281549751
sounds like content for a RLD blue-ray 10 minute special bonus, not a movie.

>>281549183
Honestly, Hantengu is harder to deal with as an enemy than Akaza.

>>281548734
canon power levels right here

>>281549751
Evil Nezuko would definitely be one of those sexy demons. My only complaint is that she would rank much higher than Upper 6 considering she was boxing with Upper 4 after 2 years of not eating humans at all.

>>281549887
The alligator can come out and say Uzui was the strongest before retiring amd I would not consider it true.

When will this be animated?

>>281549887
That's just arm strength

>>281541666 (OP)
Honestly, the Mugen Train movie feels sinful.
It turned Rengoku into a symbol of tear-jerking emotional porn.
In the manga, Rengoku’s death was more understated, carrying a subtle air of sadness while still letting his presence feel dignified and unyielding, even in the face of death.
He never once appeared weakened, only heroic.
The anime, on the other hand, made his final words and the background music feel like they were shouting, "Look, I’m about to die, so get your handkerchiefs ready!" It was a little overdone.

Alright, faggots. I already compiled everything I needed to prove that...
>Dragon Ball has the highest per volume sales in manga history and NOT Demon Slayer that faggots love to cling to
And
>Dragon Ball is NOT a measly 260M (lol)
And
>Shueisha are sabotaging Dragon Ball in order to make One Piece's milestones look impressive and shill new gen crap Demon Slayer

I'll reply to each one of you Discord losers. By the way, I'm too STRONG to get banned. I'll post again regardless, it's a losing battle, janny.

>>281550350
Come on jimbo, I want sources for every single piece of data

>>281549887
Its weird Mitsuri is this weak.

>>281550406
She's basically potentially top 3 in arm strength.

Exhibition #1 for the Demon Slayer faggots (specifically, the Black Clover Spic, the casuals I don't give a shit): Early Global Domination
Source: AnimeNewsNetwork, 2008
Confirmed 300M+ sales in 2008
150M in Japan, 150M overseas
Multiple confirmations in official expos.
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-11-14/dragonball-movie-to-film-this-year-for-2008-release

>>281548119
Does the fact that they had already made this graphic two years ago mean that production on Infinity Castle had already begun back then?

Exhibition #2: Oricon confirms 350M in 2008
Source: Oricon official article
350M copies confirmed
Still on their site
Based on publisher and distribution reports, not guesses
https://www.oricon.co.jp/news/61072/full/

>>281546777
Mui is probably the only other hashira who could've learned to completely hide his fighting spirit. Mist Breathing is already about confusion and the dude could immediately calm himself fighting Upper 1

>>281546891
Asuka would've lost his shit once Tengen perfectly predicted all his attacks through pure hearing

Is this only in Japan?

>>281550653
He's a nice young lad

>>281550746
With senile dementia for real.

>>281549379
Unironically, Mitsuri fucking shits on Muzan's whip attacks. No wonder she got nerfed hard. The author is a hack

Exhibition #3: Fuji TV from 2013
Source: Mando Kobayashi's Dragon Ball Z Battle of Gods promo
National TV confirms 350M again
Endorsed by Dragon Ball editor
"World’s most read manga" label used publicly
https://otn.fujitv.co.jp/b_hp/912200304l.html

>>281547051
Yes but muichirofags already dubbed him the strongest pillar and ufotable will cater to them

>>281550908
The funny thing is that all these numbers were denied by Shueisha in 2022 but he has difficulty moving on

>>281551038
It's 24 hours seething marathon about kimetsu having the highest per volume sales after all.

>>281551094
Wrong again Spic, but I'll get to it soon enough. It won't make a difference to you and your third world cope, though. What matters is that Shueisha has been sabotaging Dragon Ball since forever in favour of One Piece and to shill next gen slop like Demon Slayer and lie about it.

>>281551192
>but I'll get to it soon enough.
>I have everything ready
>takes 10-15 minutes in between posts

Exhibition #4: LifeDoor News + Tokyo Anime Fair + Sankei Shimbun
Multiple mainstream Japanese news sites from 2008-2013 confirm the same figure
350M was widely accepted until it mysteriously froze
https://web.archive.org/web/20081212210945/http://sankei.jp.msn.com/entertainments/entertainers/081210/tnr0812100742001-n1.htm

>>281550791
Was dedicating a scene to showing off Mitsuri's naked body REALLY necessary for the plot?

Shinobu: 8/10 fight with a 9/10 climax
Zenitsu: 7/10 fight with a 6.5 climax
Akaza: 10/10 fight with several 11/10 moments


Shinobusisters.... we won.

Exhibition #5: The Guinness World Record PR Stunt
Source: Guinness Record announcement (2015)
Claim: One Piece was recognized for "Most copies published for the same comic book series by a single author"
Total: 320,866,000 copies
As of: December 2014

BUT, here's the kicker: Dragon Ball was already confirmed at 350M+ copies in 2008. That's six years earlier than One Piece's 320M. But Dragon Ball was not even mentioned in Guinness, even though it had already crushed that number.

The record is only for 'same comic book series by a single author", meaning Dragon Ball qualified 100% (Toriyama is the sole author of the original 42 volumes). So why wasn't Dragon Ball ever submitted or entered into the record?
>>281551244
Kiss ass, faggot.

>>281541901
Holy cope it's quite literally the opposite lmfao

>>281546731
Didnt koku literally beat him bare handed lol

Exhibition #6: Shueisha Weekly Playboy Magazine from 2008
Shueisha's own subsidiary prints the 350M figure
From the Blue Dragon Strategy Guide and Weekly Playboy (both Shueisha-published)

>>281549227
Neither did rengoku lol

>>281550083
You really dont need more in demon slayer. It's as good as true
>>281550406
She's still a woman despite the 8x muscle density. If she didnt have the extra muscles she'd be between Shinobu and Obanai. Demon slayer takes a more realistic approach to physicals than most shounen

Exhibition #7: Jump Circulation Collapse Post-DB
Chart: Weekly Jump Sales 1995-2005
After DB ended in 1995, Weekly Jump lost 2 million+ circulation in 2 years
Slam Dunk ends later, but the fall began with DB
Jump never recovered from the fallout of DB ending, Demon Slayer could never improve Jump's circulation, not even a little bit, an overwhelming majority of people bought Demon Slayer in volumes but did not read Jump. Numbers dropped again in 2020 from 1.6 million to 1.5 million
DB was the pillar, this is statistical proof

Exhibition #8: Nikkan Sports from 2012
Claim: Dragon Ball's collected volumes have sold over 350 million copies worldwide
Significance: Published by a major Japanese newspaper, not as part of an ad campaign or promotional push m but as a factual background blurb within a baseball article
Impact: Demonstrates mainstream media acknowledgment of 350M long before Shueisha started using the 260M lowball. This cannot be hand-waved as a "marketing exaggeration."
https://www.nikkansports.com/baseball/news/p-bb-tp0-20120520-953848.html

>>281552132
Wheres mangapillars “Nemi”?

>>281549501
This. I need to see my husband animated.

Shinobu's wisteriafilled pussy...

>>281552283
Douma no!

So when can we expect bluray release for mugen jou-hen anyways

Exhibition #9: Marble-Plus from 2005
Translation 1: "In Denmark's book sales rankings, a Japanese manga has sold more than world-famous authors like J.K. Rowling and Dan Brown."
Significance: That's Dragon Ball outselling even HARRY POTTER in a European market. You never hear Shueisha flexing that in public.
Translation 2: "Dragon Ball has sold about 1.5 million copies in Denmark alone."
That's just Denmark. One country. Now imagine what that means across Europe, LATAM, SEA, etc l and it’s consistent with the 140 million overseas sales already confirmed in 2005 by multiple other sources.
Translation 3: "Worldwide, Dragon Ball has already sold more than 300 million copies." BOOM. Here's the real nuke. In 2005, this article cites Dragon Ball's global sales as over 300 million copies once again confirming the "260M" stat was already outdated (you read that you piece of shit Black Clover cuck?) Shueisha has never publicly acknowledged the true sales figures since last then. Dragon Ball was crushing global markets before the internet was even commonplace.

When does the BD come out?

>See Jeremy post
>click post
>remove post
Shrimple as that. Dont bother replying to me btw. I wont see your post.

>>281552333
>>281552520
Mugen Train’s Blu-ray was released 8 months after the theatrical release in Japan, I think it’s going to be the same with this one

>>281552520
>>281552333
Maybe by the end of the year

>>281552556
End June 2021 precisely

Exhibition #10: Nikkei Report from 2005
Japan: 160M
Global: 300M
That includes international sales up to 2005. Which, by the way, debunks the Black Clover cuck's argument, because: 160M + 140M = 300M
Which matches what I've cited repeatedly
So when the Demon Slayer cuck tries to use Nikkei as a source, the retard doesn't realize it supports my case.
>>281552543
Cry more faggot, you're on my turf right now and I'm going to dunk on your ass that Dragon Ball is the highest manga per volume and NOT your shitty drawn manga with its kindergarten-tier art written by a one-trick pony hack who can't even draw in 3D. Shut up, sit back and wait until the mic drop.

The threads during Infinity Castle arc were some of the most fun time here.

Exhibition #11: Financial Powerhouse
Dragon Ball made $30 billion by 2004
Estimated $45B-$50 billion today in 2025
Top 3 highest-grossing IPs worldwide
One Piece, Naruto, Bleach, JJK, MHA, Demon Slayer are nowhere near that level combined
Source: "The Dragon Ball Z Legend: The Quest Continues" by Satoshi Ikeda and Martin Foster

>>281549222
>A traitor who used to be part of the Demon Slayer Corps, and a user of the Dark Breathing style

Bro, that's literally him...

>>281552974
I think that's part of the joke, just like many DBZ filler movies have villains that are just a reskin of a canon villain (Turles/Raditz, Coola/Freeza, Janemba/Majin Boo and so on). It really sounds like something Toei would write.

>>281552974
>filename
phew, thanks, almost forgot who that was

>>281552271
I think once the movies are over and the story is complete, there’s a good chance the spin-off parts will get animated. There’s no way Ufotable and Aniplex won’t milk this cash cow to the bone.

>>281552954
Honestly Koku feels kinda like a filler movie villain even including the whole Moon Breathing concept.

Exhibition #12 (not really sales but still funny): Torishima on Attack on Titan and Demon Slayer
"A series that made noise but won’t last" (AoT)
"Even a child could make characters like that" (AoT)
"Demon Slayer only got popular because of the anime. Manga wasn’t all that great" (KnY)
"Manga was just raw coffee beans, and the anime roasted and brewed them into something truly special" (KnY)
DB staff still clowning hype trains to this day
https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/479687447X
https://www.db-z.com/interview-partie-2-toyotaro-torishima-nakatsuru-a-la-japan-expo-2025/

>>281548864
Honestly, Zohakuten looks stronger than Akaza.

>>281553143
Honestly, he feels like Broly if he was a canon character of the original Dragon Ball manga. A great part of Broly's popularity that set him apart from all other filler villains is how intuitive the idea behind him felt, like it would easily fit into the main story. Koku is like that. The idea of him feels like a fanfic, but it also makes you think "of course there's a character like that in this type of story".

>>281553086
After the movies are finished, I think Ufotable will probably do a prequel set in Yoriichi’s generation.
Something like Fate/Zero.

And finally... Exhibition #13: Wikipedia (Ongoing)

Source: Wikipedia's article for Dragon Ball
Claim: "The total number of tankōbon volumes sold have reached 350 million copies worldwide, not including unofficial pirated copies. When including pirated copies, an estimated total of more than 400 million official and unofficial copies have been sold worldwide."
Significance: Wikipedia's citations come from multiple Japanese and international reliable publications, including Oricon, Nikkei, and Fuji TV. This section remains undisputed and consistently maintained, further solidifying the claim in front of millions of global readers.
Impact: This directly destroys the myth that Dragon Ball's official sales are "unconfirmed." Even Wikipedia, which often plays it safe by avoiding fan speculation, openly cites the 350M+ figure and even acknowledges pirate copies pushing it past 400M.
Bonus killshot: Dragon Ball is not just 350M. The sentence adds that pirated + unofficial versions push the number past 400 million, which could realistically be between 450-600M when you factor in global bootlegs, unlicensed reprints, and digital fan scans that existed long before Jump even pushed digital platforms.

And with that said, here comes the math, because facts don't care about PR campaigns and they sure don't care about fanboy feelings.
>Dragon Ball
Volumes: 42
Confirmed sales (2008-2013): 350M
Projected (2025): 450-490M
>Per volume average
Low estimate (450M ÷ 42): 10.71M
High estimate (490M ÷ 42): 11.66M
And even if we stay with the old confirmed figure then 350M ÷ 42 = 8.33M per volume (already monstrous)
>Demon Slayer
Volumes: 23
Sales (2025): 220 million
>Per volume average:
220M ÷ 23 = 9.56M

Meaning... Dragon Ball has the highest per volume sales average of any manga in history. Period. Even at its 2008-confirmed figure of 350M, it already competes head-to-head with Demon Slayer's average.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Ball

>>281553442
Please no. Ufotable cant write worth a shit if the Rengoku original episode is anything to go by.

>>281553442
It’s funny how fans make up visuals as if all of those Hashira from that generation were everyone’s ancestors, even though apart from flame hashira and Koku there aren’t actually any blood relations.

>>281553698
It surpassed Kimi No Na Wa and Frozen, 4th of all time now, what a monster

>>281545675
I really don't know why Ufotable is so against making Tanjiro look strong. His 1v1 against Akaza was more fierce than Giyu's and yet they hardly try to make it look cool.

>>281553143
That's a good way to describe his character. "What if there was EVIL HASHIRA that became a demon?" That's literally his character. Plus being the brother of the Sword God and one of the original breath users. He's completely different from any other demon introduced, he very much doesn't seem to fit into the theme of the narrative.

>>281554892
I remember the jokes when the manga was coming out that Tomioka did well, but Tanjiro carried the fight. But after watching the movie, it feels like a basketball match where Tanjiro scored 10 points and hit the game-winning shot at the end and got a lot of credit... while Tomioka gets the most interviews after the game because he had scored 43 points and 10 assists up to that point.

>>281553456
>could
>projected
>including pirated copies that you have no way to track
So, as expected, you had no source for your data.
You won't find a single source that tells you DB has officially sold 400 million, because it doesn't exist.

>>281550406
She probably didn't use her full str on this test since I assume this was before ssv so she's still self concious aboout her strength. Compared to other characters she would probably be placed right below Tengen or above him.

>>281546645
>I don't know who the left character is but she is cute
Noelle

>>281546731
I fucking hate these anime only scenes. They are not canon.
>>281546891
>more Uzui hate
Why do people hate the coolest Pillar???

>>281550081
Ufo is more concerned with catering to peoples fanfic headcanon than actually animating things accurately, or animating canon events in spinoffs/extras.

>>281549222
Kill yourself, nigger.

>>281548453
Why do Mangaka insist on utilising the worst posture at all possible times? Have they never heard of a fucking standing desk?

>>281555867
>he very much doesn't seem to fit into the theme of the narrative.
Retard.

>>281556452
This.
Tanjiro was like a striker who got completely shut down by the opposing team’s DF (Akaza) for 90 minutes and just walked around the goal until stoppage time.
In the last minute he scored a super golazo that led his team to victory, but without that, his rating would’ve been terrible and he would’ve been trashed by supporters after the match.
Giyu, on the other hand, was like a winger who single-handedly carried the ball up to the goal line countless times, created endless chances, and even fought hard on defense, basically keeping the game alive all by himself.

>>281550470
It started in 2021 IIRC. There was flyer handed out to Japanese watchers on the first day stating this.

>>281549222
Tbh, I wanna watch this a bit

>>281555867
One of the major themes of the story is legacy and Koku fit that theme to the teeth.

>>281549222
Just adapt the two novels bro.

>>281551419
Anons were FOR YEARS predicting Ufotable will go all out with Zenitsu. I cannot believe Shinobu got a better fight than him but I'm happy since I like both her and her fight more than Zenitsu's.

>>281549836
>>281549751
sounds like a spinoff manga

>>281551419
>>281557886
Why the fuck did they rob him? Glazing every other character that had a mid fight in the manga, then they do the most popular character dirty with wet fart bullshit.

>>281558147
>the most popular character
Tanjirou
Rengoku
Gayuu
Shinobu
Stop focusing on one popularity poll, the anime fanbase is wildly different.

>>281558155
This is his ONLY fucking fight though, there's nothing else after. They fucked up. It's over.

>>281558175
Because he had plenty before. Better hocus on the characters who have a single fight throughout the manga.

>>281552543
I really like the way Ryoji Hirano drew the characters, specifically Giyu and Shinobu.
I know it's just some east-asian fashion trend, but that slight bags-under-eyes thing really works for slayers.
They do most of their work at night so they're probably all a bit sleep deprived.

>>281558199
>Because he had plenty before.
No he didn't.

>>281558290
Shinobu is a straight up goddess in the gaiden.

>>281541666 (OP)
There's no millionaires with a Giyuu tattoo I'm afraid.

>People say all the demons in KnY have tragic backstories.
>in reality, only Akaza, Gyutaro, and Rui actually have sad backstories
>all of the other demons are either victims of their own actions, born psychopaths, or just plain scumbags.

>>281558674
>"Behold the spoiler tattoo carved on my handdddd!!"

>>281558854
The swordsmith shitters were the worst. Then again everything about swordsmith arc was basically the worst.

During the SSV arc, Gotouge was probably busy preparing for the anime adaptation, because the story quality clearly pretty much dropped compared to usual.
The art also started becoming rough around this point.

>>281557079
>you had no source for your data
False, you piece of shit Kimetsutard, but I already expected your cope. I have multiple. Lmao. I cited:
>Fuji TV (2013)
>Sankei Shimbun (2008)
>Livedoor News (2009)
>Shueisha Weekly Playboy (2008)
>Oricon (2008)
>Nikkei Entertainment (2005)
>Bandai sales reports
>Wikipedia citations (updated with verifiable media sources)
>Asahi Shimbun (2005)
These are legitimate Japanese publications and primary sources not fan blogs, not rumors. So cry harder, you Spic. Dragon Ball is the highest selling manga per volume in history.
>pirated copies that you have no way to track
Wrong again, Spic. The Asahi Shimbun, a major Japanese newspaper, specifically estimated 100 million pirated copies in China by 2005.
That's not "a guess", that's a researched journalistic figure, published in a major outlet and cited in Wikipedia. Same with South Korea (30 million). See picrel and cry, the exact publication date and page number from Asahi’s Osaka edition:
>朝日新聞（大阪版）2005年12月6日付朝刊 8面
No speculations here. That's data.
>You won't find a single source that tells you DB has officially sold 400 million
Partially true, but misleading. It's true that no source says "Dragon Ball has sold exactly 400M officially." But that's because Shueisha stopped reporting the real number after pushing 350M+ between 2008 and 2013, which is exactly my point. That doesn't mean the number is false, it means it's undercounted due to corporate opacity, and not refuted by any factual counter-source. Meanwhile, I provided clear evidence:
>Multiple media outlets confirm 350M by 2008-2013
>Sales continued post-2013 (Super, reprints, kanzenban, box sets, etc)
>Pirated + unofficial editions add another 130M+ (as sourced)
That reasonably puts Dragon Ball at 470M-500M+ globally, as Wikipedia itself says and they've actually reviewed the same sources.

As expected from the Kimetsutard when they get outed, they ignore evidence, misunderstand context, move the goalposts and resirt classic "burden of perfection" fallacy.
>I-If you can’t show me an official tweet from Shueisha dated today that says 450M exactly, I win!!
That's not how journalism, economics, or publishing works. Sales data:
>Lags behind
>Often underreported
>Becomes politicized when competing IPs are involved
That's why we use aggregate evidence and legacy citations, like I just did and (You) HATE that. One Piece gets updated, Dragon Ball got buried because if Shueisha actually updated Dragon Ball's numbers, it would break the illusion that One Piece is the GOAT and make it look worse because the One Piece only sold 5.11M per volume while Dragon Ball is around 11M if not 12M already. People prefer a manga that ended 30 years ago over an ongoing manga. Same with Demon Slayer, even with all the cheat codes in the world, people prefer a manga that ended three decades ago over newer slop. Cry harder, Dragon Ball is the undisputed king and will NEVER surpassed.

>>281558672
She looks like going to yuri rape her.

Is Gotouge going to work on a new manga, or does she just not care since she's set for life?

Name of this hairstyle?
Not a ponytail right?

>>281559321
Took the money and fucked off Demon Slayer will be the peak and sole entry in his entire career all in large part thanks to Ufotable, Aniplex and Sony Music Japan.

>>281559058
>reasonably
So, no source, just your delusions.

>>281558854
I miss this scumbug so much

>>281559363
>No argument
When someone uses "delusions" instead of evidence, it's because they have no counter-argument left. If you have an actual source disproving those 350M+ figures from 2008-2013, post it. Otherwise, you’re not debating, you’re just coping that people STILL prefer a manga that ended 30 years ago over your precious little badly drawn manga (carried by the anime).

Im more curious if he is stronger than Koku(human era)

>>281559437
forgot pic

>>281559423
Hey, I agree with your 350 million, everything else, however, is your delusions born from butthurt.

>>281545675
The see through vision asspull is basically their version of super saiyan 2 (super saiyan 1 is the mark appearing) and it's extremely stamina taxing.

>>281551419
IMO Zenitsu had the best fight simply because his fight has the LEAST amount of inner monologues and flashbacks that breaks the pace of the fight.

>>281559456
So we come to an agreement that Dragon Ball did sell 350M copies, progress. But... If you agree that Dragon Ball has sold 350M copies by 2008 then you're involuntarily admitting that...
>Dragon Ball has continued to sell for 17 more years across multiple reprints, anniversaries, movie tie-ins, international expansions, and digital releases YET somehow didn't sell a single copy more ...You're seriously claiming it's only zero in the last 17 years? Come on. If a best-selling evergreen IP like Dragon Ball sold 350M by 2008, it likely added at least 100-150M more in the following 17 years, just from catalog sales, international expansion, and reprints alone. Even 20M per 5 years (4M a year) is a lowball.

>>281559456
So we come to an agreement that Dragon Ball did sell 350M copies, progress. But... If you agree that Dragon Ball has sold 350M copies by 2008 then you're involuntarily admitting that...
>Dragon Ball has continued to sell for 17 more years across multiple reprints, anniversaries, movie tie-ins, international expansions, and digital releases YET somehow didn't sell a single copy more
...You're seriously claiming it's only zero in the last 17 years? Come on. If a best-selling evergreen IP like Dragon Ball sold 350M by 2008, it likely added at least 100-150M more in the following 17 years, just from catalog sales, international expansion, and reprints alone. Even 20M per 5 years (4M a year) is a lowball.

>>281548213
His ability being like that is thematic.
Muzan is not a proper fighter, he is just a really really buff dude that can tank shit and “developed” some unconventional moves to brute force his way in against specific kind of enemies… basically Oliva Biscuit from Baki kind of fighter.

His whole fighting style resolves around being immortal and hard countering any kind of swordmanship via tentacles, AoE strikes and attack spam. A whole kit of unfair and unfun techniques rather than a proper specialization like the other demons.

Fits how deep into his own ass the guy is since he never bothered exploring his powers more than the bare minimum form but at its Max capability , and also how the guy is a coward relaying on a cheap anti-meta style to fight

In shorts: he is the bastards that unlocke only the base skills, but ubermax them above level 10 while min maxing stats, so he can bruteforce his way throughout everything

>>281559649
KnY is the undisputed king by average per volume, keep seething

>>281559663
No confirmation=didn't happen
Your words, on kimetsu's 200 million circulation last month before it was confirmed

>>281559552
Too bad they also skimped on the animation, direction, effects, and emphasis. Bland as fuck. Filler episode-tier effort.

>>281559721
>Your words, on kimetsu's 200 million circulation last month before it was confirmed
That's a normal, fair approach. Why? Because Demon Slayer had tons of unverified hype numbers floating around, so I wanted to wait until Shueisha or Oricon gave a confirmed figure. Now that it's officially confirmed (220M), I acknowledge it. That's called: being responsible with numbers.

Your whole argument is self-defeating by trying this false equivalence. You say:
>No confirmation = didn't happen! Your logic, so Dragon Ball didn’t sell past 350M!
And here's where you trip over your own argument.
>Dragon Ball has confirmations
I showed multiple legitimate, dated sources
>Oricon (2008)
>Shueisha promo campaigns (2009, 2013)
>Mainstream news outlets (MSN, Livedoor, Sankei, Nikkei, etc)
>TV broadcast on Fuji TV
>Government and educational articles
So I'm not speculating. I'm building on confirmed data. Also, your "no confirmation = didn't happen" logic hurts your favorite series even more, and you don't even realize it lmfao.

Before 2025, Demon Slayer's 200M+ number had zero primary source verification. Not from Shueisha, not from Oricon, not from any reliable business outlet. So if you want to weaponize "no confirmation = didn't happen", then:
>Demon Slayer didn't sell 200M until now
>And Dragon Ball absolutely did sell 350M, confirmed in multiple sources years ago
You're attacking my past caution as if it's a weakness, when in fact, it's my strength. If you genuinely think 350M in 2008 somehow means Dragon Ball never sold another copy in the 17 years since, you're just coping.

>>281545623
>r-rengoku would have been stronger with the mark!!
... but he didn't. Even a mega shitter like Kanroji awakened the mark by herself. Rengoku quite simply lacked the skills to get the mark.

>>281558672
I love Hirano's Shinobu so much it's unreal. Why did Wani not want GiyuuShino to be a thing? She had fucking DOUMA of all people fall in love with her (not even with Kotoka, with whom he actually spent quality time with) instead of the autist. Fucking retarded croc. I will never not seethe about this.

>>281559874
I'm calling you out on being a hypocrite.
If the only data confirmed is 350 million, then that's it. Wait until it gets updated again, if ever, and understand it officially hasn't surpassed kimetsu.

>>281559915
Giyuu is disliked by others

>>281558854
I felt a rather bad about Douma, because Wani was ambiguous enough to not WHOLLY blame his backstory on his sociopathic nature. His parents were awful people grooming him into his cult since birth and they shaped his insane view of "saving" people. I actually find it tragic how despite having so many outlets to live his hedonistic life as he wanted, he still sought to "help" people, even if in a condescending, manipulative way.

>>281559891
The reason why the pillars awakened it is because Tanjiro kickstarted their awakening once he got it during the last stand with Gyutarou.
By that point Rengoku was already dead and Tengen out of commission, for this reason they never awakened it

>>281558985
If Gotouge was as involved as you people claim, why did we have that awful Rengoku filler with the Sonic demon?

>>281559945
Huh? That makes no sense. Are they an alien hivemind? Why would Tanjiro affect the others?

>>281559995
The mark is Pokérus, anon.

>>281559915
He didn't like her. She was abrasive to him all the time. He's autistic so he took those insults at face value. Even after she died, he didn't give a shit and started thinking about crows.

>>281560201
How did he land a wife?

>>281559923
Nope, and this is a textbook bad-faith argument. I say:
>I only accept officially confirmed sales figures. DB has multiple confirmations of 350M from 2008-2013, and it's reasonable to believe it's much higher now but I still use 350M as the last officially confirmed number.
This is rational and evidence-based. I'm not making up numbers, I'm projecting conservatively and I treat all series by the same standard, including Demon Slayer (I waited for confirmation).

You're cherry-picking and desperately attempting to "gotcha" me. You now say:
>If only 350M is confirmed, then that's it! It hasn't passed Kimetsu officially!
"Confirmed" =/= "Frozen"
If the last confirmed number for DB was 350M in 2008, that doesn't mean:
>"DB stopped selling in 2008."
No. That's like saying:
>"Michael Jackson only sold 750M records in 2009, so he hasn’t sold any since!"
Sales don't freeze because an update wasn't printed. This kind of logic only works if you're deliberately ignoring 17 years of reality. Second, multiple official sources =/= "delusion" (or whatever Kimetsutard cope). I presented:
>Oricon
>Sankei Shimbun
>Livedoor
>Nikkei
>Weekly Playboy (Shueisha)
>Fuji TV
>TAF announcements
>Dragon Ball Evolution campaigns
>Nikkan Sports
>DBZ game guides
>Wikipedia (with reliable citations)
>Asahi Shimbun (on 100M pirated copies in China)
That's an avalanche of evidence. Meanwhile, all you have is:
>W-Well it wasn’t updated recently so it’s invalid now!!
Cope. And if you truly believed your own logic (you don't), then OP didn't pass DB either because the last "official" One Piece stat was from 2021 (516M). DB's last confirmed stat is from 2013 (350M). Only one has been updated recently. So by your own standard if it's not updated, it doesn't count. Then no one has passed anyone, and the argument is pointless. But you'll never apply that logic to Kimetsu. Only DB. Which means, YOU'RE the hypocrite. Cope, seethe and dilate, nigger. DB has the highest per volume in history.

>>281560244
>textbook bad-faith argument
Im surprised you know what that is when that's 90% of what you post about kimetsu.
>So by your own standard if it's not updated, it doesn't count.
Indeed.
>But you'll never apply that logic to Kimetsu
It just got updated to 220 million.
Facts and official data don't care about your feelings.
If you can't prove, backed by an official source, that DB is above 350 million, then it's not, and that's the end of this argument, because official reports are against you.

>>281560244
KnY 9.5M by volume>DB 6.2M via the Shueisha official last numbers of 2025 and 2021.
Keep seething

>>281560410
If you had told me there would be over a 3M/vol gap between DS and the rest of the manga, I wouldn’t have believed it.

>>281541666 (OP)
Is infinity castle actually a good movie or is it shit like infinity train was?

>>281541666 (OP)
I personally don't care.
I just think Rengoku is cooler.

>>281560284
Keep clinging to "facts don’t care about your feelings" while ignoring all the facts I gave him, that's all your faggot ass is good for. Lmao.
>Nikkei (2005)
300M.
>Oricon (2008)
350M.
>Sankei, Livedoor, Nikkan Sports, Weekly Playboy (Shueisha)
All 350M.
>Fuji TV (2013)
350M.
>Wikipedia (with citations)
350M confirmed + pirated pushing to 450M+.
>Asahi Shimbun (2005)
100M pirated in China alone.
>Jump circulation collapse post-DB
Economic proof of DB's dominance.
>Torishima roasting AoT and KnY
Because he knows what real impact is.
>Sales
Per-volume breakdown that slaughters KnY's average. Shueisha is pretty much like Apple. They downplay older iPhones. Even when the older models sold the most, they would kill off or undermarket them to push their new ones, because the old model makes the new one look worse.Just like how Dragon Ball makes every single slop manga Jump pumps out look worse. Facts don't care about your feelings, right? Then stop ignoring the ones that bury your favorite.
>>281560410
Nice backpedal, faggot. You agreed that Dragon Ball sold 350M. You have it in your writing:
>Hey, I agree with your 350 million…
That's what Oricon, Nikkei, Fuji TV, Shueisha promos, and other sources all confirmed between 2005 and 2013. Now you're basically saying DB is 260M, with 6.2M per volume. This is complete nonsense and directly contradicts what (You) just admitted. 260M ÷ 42 volumes = 6.19M per volume. That is Shueisha’s old internal figure from 2002, not current, not accurate, and not what any of the 2008-2013 confirmations said. You're reverting to an outdated stat from 23 years ago while ignoring all the later official confirmations that you already agreed to. That's not even a argument, it's an emotional regression.

Dragon Ball has the highest sales per volume in history and it will NEVER be surpassed.

>>281560738
It's 6.2M by volume and it's a fact, I don't need all your wrong figures, only the most recent Shueisha figures are credible

>>281560738
You know, repeating the same thing over and over again isn’t gonna make it true.

>>281559915
Personally I'm more of a ShinobuTanjiro kinda guy. I always sensed some chemistry

>>281549379
>all those censored shots
Anime used to have lots of pantyshots. What happened? Is the only thing left uncensored figures? I was hoping they'd fix this on the blu ray. It's honestly one of the biggest flaws of this series, and the only thing keeping it from being a 10/10

>>281552132
>Mystery person in background of Infinity Fortress is Wani
The silhouette of a person in the background of IF still doesn't have an answer. The whole Wani thing is a joke. I remember someone in a previous thread saying it was Zenitsu after the Kaigaku fight, but Zenitsu would have had to be somewhere else completely since the area where he fought Kaigaku was way off to the right of where Snake and Love were doing their thing, unless I'm retarded and misremembering

>>281541666 (OP)
see >>281542400

>>281560776
>Any data that helps your case is fake. Only the old number I like is real, even though I previously admitted the newer number existed!!
Cope, Kimetsutard. All third-party confirmations (Oricon, Nikkei, Fuji TV) are siding with me, based on Shueisha's internal reports at the time. And you haven't disproven a single source I provided. You're just repeating "6.2M!!" like it's a spell that makes reality go away.

You lose (again).
>>281560895
No, nigger. I'm not repeating myself to make it true, I'm repeating DOCUMENTED history because you keep pretending it never existed because it debunks the myth that Demon Slayer is the highest selling manga per volume, which is not true by the way. Dragon Ball is, and Wikipedia even says Dragon Ball is well past 450M+. Should be around 475M-495M right now since 17 years has passed since it hit 350M. And going by the math...
>475M ÷ 42 = 11.30M (lowball)
>495 ÷ 42 = 11.66M (highball)
And if we count EVERY unofficial pirated copies sold, that puts Dragon Ball EASILY around 600M+ like Wikipedia cited. So...
>600M ÷ 42 = 14.28M
Your shitty drawn manga (carried by the anime) is nothing more but a blip and as history has proven time and again, slop comes and goes. Dragon Ball is eternal. It's the top 3 highest-grossing IPs globally (right next to Pokemon and Hello Kitty) and the highest-grossing shounen manga in history by a mile. Your series will die when the anime ends, lol.

>>281561265
>All third-party confirmations (Oricon, Nikkei, Fuji TV)

And Shueisha made things clear by announcing 260M in 2021 in a wsj issue, the sales figures used by everyone now (oricon, nikkei, Toei...)

>>281560223
his wife probably just didn't insult him all the time

>>281561401
BORING

>Gets ability countered a single time
>Fucking dies
Fraudkaza isn't shit without his nepo baby blood

>>281561784
Koku's fault for gatekeeping see through world and not even letting Akaza know that shit exists and can counter his compass

>>281562089
It’s Azaka’s fault for not randomly unlocking it for no reason mid-fight like Gyomei does. If a blind man like Gyomei can do it so can Akaza. What pure trash this writing is.

Why does Ufotable regularly copy the manga panels where they can? The directing for many scenes in the movie was bland, including the action scenes. The directing for the action scenes are just night and day comparing with what Ufotable did for Heaven's Feel.

Mitsuri sissies...

>>281559684
at last, an scholar.
Muzan is mean to be a pathetic fuck

>>281561298
>Shueisha made things clear by announcing 260M in 2021 in a wsj issue
Wrong, Kimetsufaggot. That 260M number is not a new 2021 figure. It's a reused, recycled stat from 2002 that Dragon Ball has LONG since passed. Shueisha never officially retracted the 350M confirmations from 2008-2013.
They just stopped talking about them while continuing to hype up One Piece and shill newer IPs like Demon Slayer. That's not clarification, that's deliberate omission.
>the sales figures used by everyone now
I'd repeat this for the hard of coping.
>Oricon (2008)
350M
>Sankei Shimbun (2008)
350M
>Tokyo Anime Fair (2009)
350M
>Fuji TV (2013)
350M
>Nikkei (2005)
300M
>Weekly Playboy (Shueisha) (2008): 350M
>Blue Dragon Strategy Guide (Shueisha) (2009)
350M
>Battle of Gods promotional press (2013)
350M
>DBZ Legend book (2004)
300M
That’s seven years of officially reported numbers between 300M-350M. Every single one of them came AFTER 260M was first stated in 2002. If 260M was the real number, then why did they publish 350M repeatedly from 2005 to 2013? Because the 260M stat is ancient, outdated, and was left behind by the actual industry, just not by your fragile ego.

And even IF 260M were "reconfirmed" in 2021 that doesn’t invalidate previous reports. If a franchise sells 350M by 2013 then someone randomly printing 260M in a 2021 sidebar with no citation is not a correction. That's just lazy internal recycling of a decade-old ass number to fill a page. If anything, that’s proof that Shueisha:
>Stopped tracking DB sales seriously
>Shifted marketing focus to newer IPs
>Didn't want to show that DB was outpacing their newer stars in per-volume stats
And you're eating that narrative up like it's gospel because it comforts you.

TL;DR: It's not my numbers that are wrong. It's your selective memory and you're a faggot.

>>281562277
SNEKEKS?!

i like kimetsu no yaiba

>>281562836
I don't. But I also don't like slop written for fat ugly middle-aged women (and possibly written by a woman, or a tranny, or a faggot, pick your poison).

>>281562575
>That 260M number is not a new 2021 figure.

This is new

>>281562271
Zenitsu got it the worst

>>281545623
Lol no, in the manga is more clear but Rengoku gets destroy by the attack that Giyu deals with casually WITHOUT THE MARK.
Second Rengoku only had Akaza on the ropes because the sun was coming up which made him panic, add the fact that he until the last moment kept the offer of making him a demon shows that akaza was holding back otherwise Akaza would simple kicked him and be done with that
Finally decapitation didn't work and yet Giyu kept figthing.
Without Tanjito the only one that could have beaten him would have been Mitsusuri

>>281546922
I'm here for Genya. I think the other Genyafag died but I'm still standing on my investment, to the moon!

>>281541666 (OP)
The difference is that Giyu is ugly and gay while Rengoku isn't.

>>281541666 (OP)
Akaza vs peak Usui would've been very interesting, Satan-chan.

>>281562836
Me too

>>281547730
to be fair he was a complete filler upper rank

>>281563004
No. The 260M stat isn't new, it was already being used in 2002. Everything from 2005 to 2013, including official Shueisha publications, updated that number to 300M and eventually 350M.
Just because someone reused the outdated number in a random 2021 blurb doesn't make it "new", it just means they stopped caring about updating DB while boosting newer IPs. You're not citing a correction, you’re clinging to the last number that helps your argument, even if it's TWO DECADES OLD. Which isn't facts, it's desperation.

Oh my

>>281563557
>The 260M stat isn't new, it was already being used in 2002.

WSJ never mentioned the global figures of DB, only Japan sales for many years, 260M worldwide was new for them

Shit, even basic math destroys your claim. If 260M is somehow "the new correct number in 2021," then... Are you telling me DB sold zero copies between 2002 and 2021? You're saying ALL the official media confirmations from 2005 to 2013 just didn't happen? You’re arguing a franchise that...
>Got color editions
>A full international rerelease
>New anime (Super, Broly, Super Hero, Kai)
>A billion-dollar mobile game
>A best-selling fighting game
>Box set and collector sales
>A resurgence in global popularity
...Somehow didn't sell a single extra volume in 20+ years? Get the fuck out of here. That's not logic talking, that's fanboy delusion dressed in Wikipedia cosplay.
>>281563694
90% of its box office was carried by Japan, just for reference.

>>281563765
>90% of its box office was carried by Japan, just for reference.
>opening wekeend in a few countries
>already at 35 million

>>281563765
>...Somehow didn't sell a single extra volume in 20+ years?
Can you prove with hard data how much it sold? no? Then that's it. Please understand, kimetsu is simply a whole different beast and its volumes actually sell like candy.

>>281563765
>90% of its box office was carried by the country that has screened it a full 5 weeks before the rest of the world.
Astute observation there

>>281563822
Sorry, he doesn't understand when HE uses bad faith arguments like that one.

>>281563694
Wait is this saying US and Canada's opening weekend will surpass Mugen Train's entire domestic run?

>>281563874
Yep, that's what it looks like.
And what's been happening through SEA countries.

>>281563911
Fuck it might actually surpass Mugen Train.

>>281563694
>Might actually surpass Mewtwo
Jesus christ Kimetsu calm the fuck down!

>>281564052
She's too good for snakeman

The superior anime

>>281550791
I reread Sunrise Countdown recently and I really hated how Mitsuri went out. Half her screentime was her talking about how she didn't get to do anything.

>>281548600
well he is the progenitor demon and every other bda are pretty much random bullshit he conjured through randomly turning people into demons. Kinda makes sense that he has the most vanilla powerset.

>>281563075
I didn’t mean that Rengoku would’ve won 1vs1, he clearly wouldn’t since the rank 3 and above are far beyond what a marked pillar can do normally.
What i’m saying is that Rengoku if marked would rank among the top 4 of the pillars. The reason Tomioka survived better against Akaza is because of his defensive fighting style. Rengoku’s style was too offensive based, which is something akaza’s compass hard counters. Meanwhile Tomioka is a defense/parry specialist, and his 11th kata is able to specifically deflect and absorb most of akaza’s deadliest attack.
The whole manga since the end of Natagumo’s mountain is very matchup based, since the specialization of the pillars and demons matters a lot (like shinobu poisoning Douma, Tengen being poison resistant to gyutaro,koku speedblitzing a glass cannon like Muochirou etc…)

>>281563818
Nice fake burden of proof fallacy, faggot. No one, not even Oricon, can give exact unit sales of anything worldwide unless publishers release the data. By your own logic, Demon Slayer didn't sell anything either until Shueisha confirmed 200M which didn’t happen until 2025. So let's throw your own weak-ass logic back at you. By your standard, Kimetsu hadn't sold a single copy until 2025. Before that? No "hard data." Just your feelings. You'll try to dodge that, but it's checkmate. You're applying one standard to DB, and another to Demon Slayer. That's textbook hypocrisy.
>>281563794
90% of its box office came from Japan, yes. Outside of Jaoan, Taiwan did the heavy-lifting.
>Japan
$175M
>Taiwan
$13M
>Indonesia
$3.6M
>Hong Kong
$3.5M
>Malaysia
$3.3M
>Thailand
$3.2M
>Vietnam
$2.5M
>>281563874
Unlikely. NFL season starts the same week and it's actually a detriment, since this movie drops Sep 12 (Friday) and Saturday Night Football comes to play, so does Sunday Night Football. That's where casual audiences puts their focus on, cutting potential revenue in its OW. The Conjuring also drops one week earlier and box office analysts says it'll have the biggest OW of September, and has the benefit of both being a finale and having a shorter runtime. If that has good WOM, it will cannibalize screens immediately.

Japan are notorious for having long theatrical runs and allowing a 2h35m movie on screens, but America aren't as lenient as Japan because they have more theaters and that means way more competition for showtimes. Everyone wants a spot and this movie isn't getting the red carpet treatment. It's not Japan, where every screen bends over backwards for Ufotable. In the US, movies typically stay in theaters for 2-4 weeks on average unless you're Top Gun, Avatar, or Taylor Swift. And American theaters hates long movies.

>>281563844
Learn what bad faith arguments mean, nigger. The box office numbers even show that Japan carries this movie by a landslide. Taiwan isn't even close to touch Japan's $177M (should be around $180M now), and they're the second biggest audience for Demon Slayer in East Asia.
>>281563911
Not really. The 2h35m runtime will absolutely be a detriment. It requires 3 hours per showing including trailers, ads, and cleanup. That means it cuts 1-2 showings per day versus shorter titles that'll eat into its daily revenue potential, especially on weekdays. Japan can pull it off, because they have fewer screens so they'll give their own movies a chance to breath. In America, everyone is on schedule and everyone wants a spot.

This is why long films only work if they draw massive, repeated audiences. James Cameron and Christopher Nolan get guaranteed screen time because they're appointment filmmakers with proven rewatch records and legacies. Can Infinity Castle Part 1 draw beyond its core fanbase?

>>281564733
>Learn what bad faith arguments mean, nigger.
>I will say that japan is 90% of the box office not even a week after it's been released internationally
>now splitting by country instead of national vs international matters
As I said, bad faith argument.

>>281562877
My wife

>Superman will cut its revenue
>F4 will cut its revenue
>Jurassic World will cut its revenue
>The Conjuring will cut its revenue
> Football will cut its revenue

>>281564498
I cant take your predicitons seriously after every single one ended up not coming true or going in the complete opposite direction.

>>281565323
>>Superman will cut its revenue
It did, just not a whole lot. Like I said, every money that goes to Superman won't go to Demon Slayer.
>>F4 will cut its revenue
Same as Superman.
>>Jurassic World will cut its revenue
It actually did. Its daily earnings were cut down from ¥1B/day to ¥600M.
>>The Conjuring will cut its revenue
Correct. Box office analysts are projecting it'll have the biggest OW of September, and it's also the finale. If WOM are positive, it'll take more screenings.
>> Football will cut its revenue
How to tell you're not American or have never been to the US. The NFL is the biggest media force in America. It's not "just sports," it’s the single most-watched entertainment product EVERY WEEK.
>Sunday Night Football averages 17-22 million viewers per game
>Monday Night Football, same story
>College Football Saturdays? Another 8-10 million per game.
You really think a 2.5-hour Japanese anime movie in Japanese (with subs or dub) is going to drag people to theaters over their hometown team or prime-time matchups? In September when fans are hyped and tuned in again after the offseason? Are you really an ESL? And that's before factoring in:
>School's back in session
>College students move back mid-August
>Theaters giving limited showings because of the 2h35m runtime
>More movies opening each week
This isn't Japan where people treat Tanjiro like a national hero. This is America, where movies live or die by screen availability and weekend momentum, both of which get wrecked once the NFL kicks off.

Anyway, you're talking about Japan, I'm talking about America. Stop being a dumbass and assume Americans are like the Japanese.

>>281549227
Kanroji is super Akaza kriptonite
>bubbly girl like the one he loved
>can't kill her cause she is a girl so he holds back
>Flexible sword, he won't disarm her
>stronger that she looks
>extra longer sword to avoid close combat as much as possible
He would get flashbacks of his waifu in the middle of the fight until he gets mindfuck and decides to die remebering his past self

is j.. actually a janny?

>>281565914
He gets his posts deleted every now and then.

>>281565914
Maybe I am. :^)

>>281557639
I love you anon

Set your mask ablaze!

imagine spending more than a day straight nonstop crusading against a funny sword show for children
people all over the world will still love it, it will still rake in millions at the box office
nothing you do here has any effect on anything
what's the point

>>281548864
>unserious
>this is the face of someone who was "unserious"
What is this cope lmao

>>281541666 (OP)
People always say Akaza wasn't trying against Rengoku but that feels against his character. He respects the strong. Wouldn't be respectful to be playing with Rengoku.

>>281565783
Give it up already. Its over.

>>281566169
Lay off the umai Rengoku

>>281566292
>very end of the fight after he realizes he fucked around too much

>>281541666 (OP)
I am not ready for my wife dying bros

>>281566304
Nah. You're just a dumbass who thinks like a dumbass Japanese and not an American.

Long runtime = less screenings per day = lower per-screen revenue = shorter legs in theaters
Short runtime = more screenings per day = higher per-screen revenue = longer legs

Japan can pull this off by having their shit run for months to even a whole year but Japan also has fewer theaters than America and in America, everyone is on schedule and everyone are fighting forba spot. American theaters HATES long movies unless you're Cameron or Nolan and even these two make theaters groan in pain.

>>281566281
Slop is still slop, and deserves to get outed as slop. Made for children (and fat ugly ugly women) or not.
>>281566767
>jobbing asspull character
One less shit character is always a welcoming sight. Now, if only the hack author had the balls to kill off the screaming unfunny comic relief.

>>281566950
Hey buddy, that's my wife you're talking about

>>281564087
Snake is a secret chad stuck in the body of a manlet. Getting reincarnated granted him a body without size debuff from malnutrition and abuse.

>>281567028
A jobber is still a jobber and someone's got to take the job
Not the most pleasant job but a job still

>>281566281
He thinks he is the main character and his opinion matters. The poor faggot.

Why is half of the thread a boring back and forth about if this it's a mega hit or just a hit?

>>281567092
Nig mad he will never fuck that.

>>281567166
>wanting to fuck an ugly midget
Not even if she was the last woman on the planet.

>>281567160
I just auto remove his wall of seethe.

>>281567133
My? THREAD. You? My BITCHES.
>>281567234
How about you auto remove deez nutz

Was this scene in Infinity Castle arc? I cant remember.

>>281566292
>>281566299
He went easy on little bro Rengoku. Whenever he lands a punch he waits for Rengoku to catch his breath. And also if he used his full strength he would have donuted him right here. He never gave Giyu the same kind of breaks mid fight.

>>281567676
Yea, it was in the movie.

How is the game?

>>281567806
Good for an arena fighter. Still would have preferred a 2d fighting game. Maybe in the future...

>>281567874
That privilege is only reserved for Dragon Ball.

You'd be stuck with Naruto Storm kusoges.

>>281567806
Censored. They put black voids under all the skirts because pantyshots aren't allowed in modern games. The game initially had some weird safety shorts/bandage looking thing, but I guess even that was too much because a black void was still added, despite not even being panties. I make sure to avoid all games that are censored personally

>Hinokami Chronicles?
Naruto Storm but Demon Slayer
>Cursed Clash?
Naruto Storm but Jujutsu Kaisen
>Bleach Rebirth of Souls?
Naruto Storm but Bleach
>One Piece?
Pissfags still cry over never having a single good game. Lol.

At the end of the day, anime IPs will never get good games, much less, good fighting games because they don't have to make good games, because they have a built-in fanbase so devs don't have to give players an incentive to buy their games which is why you only get stuck with Naruto Storm clones.

Dragon Ball is the rare exception. It actually gets good games because Dragon Ball has a long history with video games. Yu-Gi-Oh too.

>>281541666 (OP)
Sunlight won btw

>>281567160
Jeremy still hasn't reconciled with the fact he got the movie's future earnings VERY wrong.
Also that the manga sold more per volume than DB.

>>281568482
>Also that the manga sold more per volume than DB.
Read this nigger, and cry.
>>281560738
By the way, I noticed you went radio silent for quite a long time after I dropped all these nukes. Which is why all you can do is cope about and backpedal (thanks for admitting DB made 350M in 2008 meaning sales did go up and it's well past 450M+). Thanks for conceding.

>>281568579
>and it's well past 450M+
Source with that number, please.

>>281541666 (OP)
>See a difference?
No. Both Rengoku and Tomioka won

BTW did Nezuko’s bamboo mouthpiece serve the least purpose whatsoever except as a humiliation device she could have shattered at any time? Or is it like when Tanjiro wrestled her down while berserk, ie, it’s effective because Tanjiro wants it to be?

>>281568579
Shame you have no way to prove this beyond
>I THINK IT SOLD AN EXTRA 100 MILLION BECAUSE I SAY SO
Unless you can provide official data showing it, those sales don't exist and you lost, Jeremy.

>>281545675
Was Giyu using the super secret Sun breathing forms? Was Giyu going into the Transparent World? No, dumbass. Use your damn brain.

>>281568487
Why did he gift Douma with a pot?
It feels weird to imagine the UM as friends, or just being generous to one another, so I assume there's an ulterior motive, but I also doubt he's stupid enough to try and attempt a sneak-kill on Douma to take his place as UM2...
So yeah, why did he gift Douma a pot? I can't think of a reason.

>>281568687
He likes his pots.

>>281568592
>>281568627
kys nigger

>>281568687
Because they were friends? They seem like the types of demons that would smoke weed and paint the walls with women blood for fun and ART.

Anyway, Gyokko should have escaped to the pot in Douma's room and live on to fight in IF.

>>281568687
the six moons were on friendly terms with each other, except akaza, which you can think of as the tomioka of their group

>>281546489
Sun breathing is not actually any better than the other brething styles, it's just about whatever is most suited to your body.

>>281568043
Honestly, this game series is an insult to KnY.
I can’t understand how a game like this is being accepted.
The idea of Tanjiro slashing at Nezuko, Inosuke, or Zenitsu with a sword is something that anyone who’s read the original story would know is utterly impossible.
KnY simply doesn’t suit a fighting game at all.
It’s completely different from Naruto fighting Kakashi or Sakura, or Goku brawling with Gohan because there were actually that kind of scenes in manga (as part of training).
CC2 did a good job with Naruto, but their JoJo game was terrible, and with KnY, they clearly don’t understand the essence at all.
If a KnY game were to be made, it should have been a co-op action game like Monster Hunter or God Eater, where multiple players team up to fight demons.
That would capture the original story far better.
Or alternatively, they could have made it a Souls-like game in the style of Sekiro. Upper Moon demons are basically like an Elden Ring boss, so that could have worked brilliantly too.

>>281569137
>A Souls-like Kimetsu game
>Only 7 total bosses (even counting Muzan)

>>281568627
I don't have to "think" DB sold 450M+, Wikipedia does all the work for me, lmfao. Wikipedia doesn’t just toss in whatever some rando says on Twitter. To make it through Wikipedia's editorial gauntlet, your claim has to be:
>Cited
>Non-speculative
>Sourced from mainstream media, government documents, or official publishers
>NOT fan blogs, YouTube claims, or "I feel like it"
And what does the Dragon Ball Wikipedia page say right now, cited by credible sources, you turd?
>"The total number of tankōbon volumes sold have reached 350 million copies worldwide, not including unofficial pirated copies. When including pirated copies, an estimated total of more than 400 million official and unofficial copies have been sold worldwide."
Confirmws by Wikipedia, sourced from Fuji TV, Nikkei, Oricon, Asahi Shimbun, and many more.

In other words...
>Wikipedia confirms the 350M as baseline official sales
>Then it explicitly adds that pirated + unofficial copies push it to 400M+
These figures are not speculative — they’re backed by:
>Nikkei (2005)
>Asahi (2005), 100M pirated in China
>Fuji TV (2013), 350M global
>Livedoor, Sankei, Oricon all repeating the 350M figure
>Shueisha Weekly Playboy confirmed 350M themselves
>Which also means... Dragon Ball is the highest selling manga per volume in history and not Kimetsu no Yaiba
If Wikipedia, the most cautious citation gatekeeper on Earth, accepted ALL of that argument then your argument is instantly nullified. Get fucked, lol.

>>281569137
>Honestly, this game series is an insult to KnY.
Good. Demon Slayer doesn't deserve good games, same way One Piece doesn't deserve it either nor does Bleach.

Only Dragon Ball is allowed to have good games. You get the nice animation, though.

>>281569509
Didn't read, lol.

>>281569595
Cope.
Dragon Ball is the perfect capita KING and the best selling manga in HISTORY.
Only reason why they gave Demon Shit that crown is because if Shueisha showed DB's real sales numbers, it would make everyone else look worse. DB is SO big that Shueisha tries to sabotage it. What a KING.

Get FUCKED, you little RAT.

>>281569740
>best selling manga in HISTORY
One Piece.

>>281569509
Since then, you’ve chosen Wikipedia as a source

>>281569484
The first Hand Demon could serve as a kind of tutorial boss like the Asylum Demon, and there are about eight named demons below the Lower Moons from Season 1.
Then you add in the six Lower Moons, six Upper Moons, plus Nakime, Kaigaku, and finally Muzan as the last boss, and that brings the total to 23 bosses.
If you separate Daki and Gyutaro, or Hantengu and Zohakuten, you can pad the count even further.

Even then it might still feel a little on the short side, but that’s just the nature of anime games.
It would still be enough to work perfectly well as Kimetsu Souls.

>>281569882
>has to sabotage DB to steal the crown
As expected from Oda the Jew.
>>281569882
Yep, I used Wikipedia. You did too. And guess what? The SAME Wikipedia you're quoting also confirms 350M sales minimum, plus 470M+ with pirated copies, all sourced by Fuji TV, Nikkei, Oricon, Asahi, etc. The chart you used links to Shueisha using an old stat from 2002, lol. But the actual Dragon Ball franchise Wikipedia article, fully sourced and independently reviewed, says this:
>"The total number of tankōbon volumes sold have reached 350 million copies worldwide… when including pirated copies, over 400 million."
That's on Wikipedia right now. You can't cherry-pick Wikipedia when both articles are live and contradict each other.

You also admitted DB sold 350M in 2008 btw.

>>281569137
A monster hunter tier game would be great. Imagine a character creator where you can make your own slayer and advance to Hashira level. The characters can be those assists that Rise and Wilds has.
>>281569484
Call it Demon Slayer

>>281570083
At this point make it a non canon game where you make your own Slayer. Then you can add as much original content as you want, on top of what we already have.

>>281570388
I remember snk game being like that.

>>281570083
>Tanjiro defeats the Lower Moons, the Upper Moons, and Muzan all by himself.

Great.
Truly faithful to the source material.

>>281563694
Aniplex clearly made the wrong call.
They should have gone for a worldwide simultaneous release, even if it meant delaying the Japanese release to September.
If they had done that, the global box office revenue would have been even more phenomenal.
The damage from pirate videos spreading so widely beforehand was by no means small.
From my own experience, I’d say that level of large-scale screencap piracy hadn’t been seen since Endgame

>>281541666 (OP)
The point is that even the hashira progressed.
They unlocked the marks and the knowledge of it, similar to the red blades.
Another thing is compatibility, water breathing is considered more of an Allrounder, with Giyu taking it more into a defensive direction with his creation of his eleventh form.
Flame breathing is a more offense form and less well rounded as it focuses more on overpowering the enemy.
This is obviously bad against the upper moon as they are far more tank and might have a trick or two up their sleeve that prevents them from dying after being beheaded.

>>281547241
He was a shit ass final boss with shit ass powers 1 and 2 were both stronger than him if it was not for his killing curse.
He was such a shit fighter and his combat power was shit as well.
Oh I got tentacles with poison, jokes on you I got additional thinner tentacles, guess what those got poison as well.

>>281547317
Well the strongest demon was actually biwa women, who must have been quite beautiful before the one eye thing.
Like no wonder drum demon got demoted if you compare him to her.
She controls the castle, can literally open gates to near everywhere, has her spying eyes that are able to infiltrate nearly the entirety of the demon slayer facilities without even the hashira noticing.
She could literally throw Muzan, Koku, Doma and Akaza out into the sun if she wanted to.

>>281572447
>Seething at the meta build
Get gud

>>281558175
>>281558199
Both his 7th Form and Godspeed against Muzan will probably look way cooler because they will come with minimum build up and get depicted in an explosive way in the middle of a chaotic slufgest. There's still hope for Zenitsubros.

>>281572527
She should have been Upper Moon 0 and leave the 4th spot for a new demon. She shouldn’t be ranked in the traditional 6-1 sense. She serves a completely different purpose to other upper moons.

>>281548734
Shinobu is shit out of luck against the demons, because she is so incompatible with them.
Against humans she is a beast.
She is among the fastest slayers and she by far has the highest piercing power, surpassing even blind dude.
Combine that with her poison and she makes for a perfect assassin.
Add her ability to see through people and manipulate them.
I would much rather believe she is a ninja compared to Tengen.

>>281548735
Life must have been shit for him, before she showed up.

>>281563157
Marked Genya is probably gonna sprout a whole forest on Koku's back.

>>281568043
This is absurd. Women in the Taisho era hardly wore underwear to begin with.

>>281549513
What I don't get is how little corruption art this story despite it's popularity spawned.
With this type of enemy you would expect far more fanart and doujin to focus on the turning, corruption and control aspect.

>>281550791
That we got Mitsuri Onsen scene, but no Shinobu is a crime.

>>281551511
The issue is that dragon ball for a long time now is more than one person.
I don't get why that is so hard to understand for you fucks.
Like you even said it yourself, SINGLE FUCKING AUTHOR.

What’s going to happen in the second chapter?
No matter how popular Kokushibo is, that popularity only really exists within hardcore otaku circles.
In the next movie, Tanjiro, Giyu, Zenitsu, and Shinobu either won’t appear at all or will only have very limited screen time.
The main characters will be Inosuke, Kanao, Muichiro, Sanemi, Gyomei, and Genya, a pretty underwhelming lineup, to be honest.
On top of that, the most popular among them, Muichiro, ends up going through some truly horrible stuff, which is going to completely alienate the casual fangirl crowd and drag them down into despair.
Honestly, I have no idea what approach Ufotable is going to take to appeal to audiences in the next installment.

>>281570336
>Wikipedia
What are you talking about schizo?
One Piece has that Record Guiness.

>>281567092
>>281567028
She was not allowed to partake in the training to unlock red blade and the mark, she had to develop new poisons.

>>281572914
He’ll be the crowd-puller, so no problem.
Even in commercially speaking, he’s Demon Slayer’s ultimate weapon.

>>281572599
I find it questionable that Muzan didn't eat her to get her powers if he can absorb them.
Either this is a blot hole or there is an implied limit to what or how much or often he can do it.

>>281573020
Kokushibo is, no shit, the coolest character in the story and we only see him for ~10 chapters. That's power you can't buy

>>281559552
It’s not the fight itself that was bad. Thunder breathing looked terrible, what awful results from the VFX team.

>>281559915
Mangaka can never into romance because not one of them has ever had it, this complaint will be made as long as the medium exists

>>281573104
Mangaka of demon slayer is a married women with children and health problems or so

>>281572914
It feels like a waste that he only gets proper screen time for a single movie.

>>281573263
Same as the manga, one arc and one fight.

>>281572572
>Both his 7th Form and Godspeed against Muzan will probably look way cooler because they will come with minimum build up and get depicted in an explosive way in the middle of a chaotic slufgest. There's still hope for Zenitsubros.
But those didn't do anything. No reason to drop the ball for his biggest moment, soloing a UM even if it was a shitter UM. There's no turning back the clock on this or redeeming anything, even if they try to make his nothingburgers against Muzan look better, which is doubtful anyway since they'll just make the same excuses about needing to highlight other characters like the faggot snake, it's missing the point entirely. They already fucked up. It's over.

>>281573773
>zenitsufag getting mad he got the short end of the stick for fucking once

>>281573263
>>281573282
It's literally the best fight in the entire series
Rock and Sanemi are barely hanging on while Koku is pulling out 20 different instakill Breath techniques, each one more bullshit than the former

>>281572914
>Muichiro, Sanemi, Gyomei, and Genya
What made this fight so tense for me is it felt like a legitimate possibility that they'd all fucking die and Kokushibo would walk out that room and have to be defeated by characters with some semblance of actual plot armour.
Shit, I've just realized...this is the Madara vs 5 Kages fight, isn't it?
But the 5 Kages (Well 3) actually take Madara down in this version.

>>281573975
It’s like Madara vs Might Guy, Lee, Neji and Tenten

>>281573773
you're feeling the exact same way I felt when Sotozaki storyboarded Inosuke taking 10 seconds to behead Daki in a static, boring way. it happens, we take what we can get. and honestly, you're being too harsh when you say "those didn't do anything", since no attack against Muzan left permanent damage anyway. The Tanj/Ino/Zeni combo at the end of the 3rd movie will still be a contender for hypest scene in the franchise if Ufo gets it right, and I would bet good money Thunder Breathing will look more impressive when Zenitsu is zapping around instead of going at Kaigaku in a straight line (so lame).

What is he thinking?

>>281574392
>Why are you staring?

>>281574392
>i hate this
>where is the only person I even enjoy being around
>Tanjirou
>not the butterfly bitch

>>281573925
It's the best fight because it's the only fight that plays into the central conceit of the manga's focus on sword clashes as being the pinnacle of cool. All other demon fights, every single one of them, is about dodging magic and overcoming rapid regen and super toughness. Meanwhile Koku, alone amongst the entire demon cast, fights like a human refusing to be hit, never relying on his durability or regen, as if it were a Hashira training battle except amped up to life-or-death stakes. It's the kind of battle the mangaka likes the best and so the most effort was put into it. I believe he was originally supposed to be defeated by Tanjiro and bodies everyone else, representing the apex of Tanjiro's growth and preparing him for Muzan. In "reality" every single one of the characters who faced him should have been killed, Genya's goofy blood arts was just an asspull to let them win. Kind of ironic that the one demon who fought most like a human got defeated by a human's demon magic.

>>281573975
In reality, it’s closer to the fight of Knuckle, Shoot, Meleoron, and Morel vs. Youpi in HxH.
The Infinity Castle arc is, quite literally, a reconstruction of the Chimera Ant arc with an emphasis on combat rather than negotiation against enemy.

>>281574563
OTOH Genya himself had cool and unique weapons and powers compared to the other heroes, with the exception of Nezuko.

>>281574392
kek

>>281574662
I kinda agree if we look at the angle of the characters involved, but coreography-wise, the Youpi fight is literally the Muzan fight. Shapeshifter, swinging lethal tentacles and throwing around big impactful attacks, characters keep jumping him one after the other...

>>281574392
>Sanemi's abs and crotch

What a gay bait.

>>281572914
It'll be fine as long as Michu doesn't get fodderized so hard. There was no reason for Koku to be that hard on him anyways considered how much he wanted to turn him.

>>281575014
Tanjiro's charm is that for the whole 2nd half of the story, he's that guy in your Dungeons & Dragons group whose character is underleveled, and he's not even an outstanding roleplayer capable of making up for it by exploiting the rules, and his dice rolls aren't even that high on average, so he puts himself in an assisting role in every big fight and never complains, just keeps hitting an attack here and there to weaken the enemy, compliments everyone, offers help at every opportunity to make other players shine, and then at the end of the battle, pretty much everyone at the table does not mind when the DM batantly rewards him by putting his character in a "coincidentally" perfect position for him to hit the finishing blow when he rolls a 14.

>>281575014
>Tanjiro
>bottom
KWAB

>>281575014
movie director loves Giyu too much.

>>281574563
>I believe he was originally supposed to be defeated by Tanjiro and bodies everyone else, representing the apex of Tanjiro's growth and preparing him for Muzan

Wrong, since every character there can be representative of Kokushibou's relationship and fight between him and Youiichi. You have a pair of demon-hunting brothers, one of which is more demon than human, the current strongest Slayer of this era, and his descendant. Having Tanjiro there would only cheapen the parallel, and he would be instantly blitzed.

>>281575769
After Tangerine stumbled through every one of his fights since Gyuutaro, people really think Wani would have him play a big role against Koku and Muzan back-to-back? Poor guy was the only slayer to literally pass out from exhaustion during his fight while the enemy was still active... and then he doubles down and literally dies against Muzan (twice). Give him some rest.

>>281575901
I meant if the plot was extended into a proper series of arcs, not wrapped up at warp speed over a single arc. The way things are Tanjiro is vastly, ridiculously below the level he should have been by the end.

>>281568687
I’ve always wondered, but has Femuzan ever had sex with any of the UM?
I think she probably does it regularly with Kokushibo.
I also think she’s done it occasionally with Akaza and Gyokko.

>>281574392
>My feet hurt
>I wanna go home

>>281575971
I frequently hear this POV, and I swear I only see it working with Douma (a cult infiltration arc would be cool).

I call it "the Naruto route": kill all the Upper Moons one by one in their own arcs like what happened with the Akatsuki, then at the end, Muzan and Kokushibo wait for the slayers at the top of a mountain while posing menancingly.

I think the finale would have been far less memorable if Wani went that route.

A big all-out clash where every main character concludes their personal arcs just feels more satisfying. I enjoyed it a lot.

>>281576038
That's a he, he's just modifying body shape not changing genders. Or maybe he's learned to create female organs too?

>>281575014
It was HIS time!

>>281573263
Well it makes sense really: Koku's the strongest demon aside from Muzan. Not exactly someone Tanjiro can take in a 1v1.

>>281576038
100% raped Akaza

>>281575971
I actually like that about it.
In defiance of the usual shōnen manga rules, Tanjiro never awakened into a permanent “god mode” by the end, he stayed stuck at a kind of halfway strength.
He did gain the ability to tap into god mode power for just a few seconds, but his level was so low that using it instantly drained his entire stamina bar.
That’s exactly why his companions stand out so much.
In that final battle, Tanjiro was only one among the group who did important work; he wasn’t the chosen one who single-handedly brought down the great evil.

>>281576149
Femuzan would more likely be raped by Douma.
In front of Akaza, who is bound by ice and unable to move, Doma begins a NTR show by fucking Femuzan.
I even recall once reading a hentai doujin with a that kind of setting.

>>281576038
FeMuzan is for Kokushibo only

>>281576108
Since Muzan can freely reshape his body, reconstructing his form, genitals included should be no trouble at all for him.

>>281576104
The way this should have progressed is that each Lower Moon has an arc, or 2-3 per arc for the climax, just like Rui's mountain and Mugen Train, a few more arcs dedicated for LMs should have been there. During the LM arcs start introducing the Upper Moons, like how Akaza was introduced in Mugen Train. For example, have Douma show up at Rui's place to throw the Slayers into absolute despair, showing how vastly outmatched they actually are and how far they are from their goal. Douma plays around with them for a bit, but retreats out of respect for letting Rui have the honor of taking the kills. Have Gyokko and Hantengu show up in other arcs in similar roles. Maybe introduce Koku in the Red Light district -- not to fight, maybe he just came over because he heard that his descendant might be there, but his presence alone is so menacing, so monstrous that the kids can only stand there and stare, even Daki shows fear of him, as if UM6 herself is no different than any other human in the face of a natural disaster. That's how you do hype and aura.

>>281576270
He was literally being jacked up with plot armor asspulls in the Muzan fight. He needed asspulls because he hadn't been developed enough to be in that battle naturally. He should have been turned into meat chunks the moment Muzan started attacking, full stop. It would be like putting Gon in Chimera Ants arc without having gone through 2/3rds of the arcs before that point.

>>281545965
Lmao, you think Shinobu would survive Gyutaro for a minute?

>>281575014
What's this for? The "Most Disliked By Others" award?

>>281576518
Shinobu would TANK any poison thoughever. She's such a slut for poison she poisons herself for fun. Just like that psychotic whore Lenna from Final Fantasy V.

>>281576518
Sure, she's really really fast

>>281576523
ugliness & gayness lifetime achievement award

>>281572818
Guinness was for a single comic series by one author. Dragon Ball is one self-contained manga of 42 volumes and 519 chapters, 100% written and drawn by Akira Toriyama. It has no co-author, no ghostwriter, no assistant credited as author. DB qualified 100%, it had more sales than One Piece at the time.

It simply was never submitted, probably due to politics or internal decisions by Shueisha, who shifted PR focus onto One Piece by the 2010s. It's always been an open secret that Shueisha is a mafia and Oda is the ring leader. Lol.
>>281572952
>One Piece has that Record Guiness.
Yeah, after sabotaging DB, lmfao. There's no other franchise that Shueisha hates more than DB.

>>281575244
>outstanding roleplayer capable of making up for it by exploiting the rules
Being a munchkin rules lawyer is the opposite of being an outstanding roleplayer.

>>281572972
That's a friendly way to say she's nothing more but a background character who's also a plot device.

>>281576406
>Douma plays around with them for a bit, but retreats out of respect for letting Rui have the honor of taking the kills.

I actually like that KnY does not go for the whole "this was just a greeting" bullshit that most action shonen use frequently. It just feels so farcical. Yes, some longevity was sacrificed by the fact that every encounter between Moons and Pillars result in one of the sides dying, but it also makes everything feel more urgent.

>>281572158
Honestly, the red blade was unnecessary. The cursed mark was definitely needed, but the red blade was nothing more than flavor, it served no real purpose in the story.
All it did was make Muzan go, "Hmm, getting cut by this red blade stings a little," and in the end it just ruined the pacing and felt like a nuisance.
If I were the editor, I would have strongly opposed the idea of the red blade.

>>281576450
>He should have been turned into meat chunks the moment Muzan started attacking, full stop.

He lost an eye 3 seconds into the fight and died 2 minutes into the fight. The rest was MC-being-MC business as usual, but I appreciate how little he accomplished on his own despite all the buffing. His one-on-one against Muzan just exists for Ufotable to slap Gurenge playing over it when they animate a 2-minute fanservice sequence, and after that Muzan discovers he is slowing down because of the poison, and STILL almost turns Tanjiro into red mist before a blind Obanai shows up and instantly takes the leading role because the characters are so japanese that the senpai gotta lead the way even if he's literally blind.

>>281576846
I still don't understand the gigademon tanjiro thing btw. It was like a fever dream.

>>281541666 (OP)
no? giyuu and tanjiro would've been fucked if not for akaza's sense of honor

>>281577661
Akaza is a demon

>>281577602
It was a way of accomplishing several things without fucking up the powerlevel logic.

>Tanjiro and Muzan's first and only conversation while completely alone
>Muzan admiting his loss to Kagaya and reinforcing the story's main theme
>Nezuko and Tanjiro "defeating" Muzan as a callback to Tanjiro's declaration in the first Pillar Meeting
>Shinobu accomplishing Kanae's dream of forging a bond with a demon (Tamayo)
>payoff for the "if I ever become a demon" scene during the Gyuutaro/Daki fight
>Inosuke's final piece of development when the fightfag facade finally crumbles
>giving Nezuko a big emotional scene at the end that works as a callback to the 1st episode, since involving her into the fight itself would be an automatic gameover.

>>281577900
What I'm hearing is that they needed Best Girl to do something at the end. Okay, you convinced me.

>>281576735
it makes Kokushibou surviving a beheading more impressive when compared to Akaza

>>281574298
>The Tanj/Ino/Zeni combo at the end of the 3rd movie
that better be the hypest shit

>>281579078
I liked how Koku wanted to live forever but only if he was sexy.

Tanjiro was kinda mid in the movie. If Giyu was paired up with someone who was actually strong like Sanemi, they would have beaten Akaza without much injuries.

>>281581078
Akaza plays down to the competition.
He got angry at Tanjiro for 10 seconds, then started enjoying himself again. When he grabbed Tanjiro's sword, he clearly treated as a fun little game of trying to break it as Tanjiro struggled, instead of turning Tanjiro into into swiss cheese with the same flurry of kicks he used on Giyuu a few minutes earlier.

>>281581193
He also could have snapped Giyu’s sword minute one into their fight.

>>281581078
Sanemi would do great, but he falls victim to the same tactics Akaza used against Giyu. Mitsuri and Gyomei are worst matches for Akaza. Can’t break their weapons, have unpredictable attacks and range. Wouldn’t lose in a strength struggle.

>>281581279
Akaza is stronger than any Hashira, everyone except Gyomei would be crushed if Akaza fought seriously. Gyomei would have to pop his Mark and asspull Selfless State to have any chance of victory.

>>281581384
Not what the story has shown us. He’s third strongest. And he can lose to a slayer if they are strong enough. See Kokushibo.

>>281564052
Will she ever fucking do anything?

>>281581211
Maybe, but I think that goes into the list of "things that become very easy when the opponent is already slowing down".
Every UM plays around a lot, but I'd guess they are fighting at 40% most of the time, not literally going at 10% while thinking "I could end this fight immediately at any time I wanted".
Also, if a Pillar can't match a demon's pace and speed in the early rounds, when their stamina is at its best, their base stats would be so far apart that the demon would kill them by accident, even while trying not to. But a bloodlusted Douma who was pissed at Kanao got countered even while throwing an attack full of killing intent, so even if Douma was lazily throwing a slipper at a cockroach, he was still trying to kill it.
Sometimes readers act like the UMs could kill Pillars with a fart and just refuse to do so, but Muzan would explode their heads if that was the case.

>>281581499
There are levels to Hashira just as with the Uppers.
Tengen could barely match with Gyutaro’s speed. Later Mitsuri could overpower Zohakuten’s attacks even in base. And later Gyomei does what Gyomei does against Kokushibo.

I am the strongest Hashira.

>>281581595
>Mitsuri could defeat--
nobody, she's the weakest.

>>281582297
Muichiro…

>>281549887
that's about physical strength retard, we saw clearly that Iguro was a much better fighter than Mitsuri

>>281541930
your heart doesn't ignite....

>>281567751
he was testing him at first and rengoku leveled up during the fight, almost killing him with the sunrise.

>>281581461
Even after popping his Mark and asspulling Transparent World and stacking with Sanemei’s blood debuff Gyomei wouldn’t be able to do more than just hold back Koku briefly if he was on his own. Literally no one besides Yoriichi could take Koku solo.

>>281581469
She's a joke character, comedy relief

>>281576038
Sometimes sex, sometimes rape.
Sometimes as a reward, sometimes a punishment.
Sometimes it's about them, sometimes it's about her.
Remember:
>Everything in the world is about sex, except sex. Sex is about power

>>281585457
CUTE

>>281576674
So One Piece won worldwide and also on Shueshia's internal organization?
Holy based, also Torishima (Editor in Chief of DB fame and Toriyama's best friend/enemy) didn't believe in One Piece success and Oda shut him up, so it's the other way around DB was against OP's success.

>>281573057
Once I learnt that the Demons and Slayers used a different power system from one another, I was immediately wondering if they'd ever introduce a character that uses both.
In that sense, I was hyped for Kokushibo before he even appeared, lol.

>>281582297
How were you able to type that Gyomei?

9.57

>>281541732
in english